The Japanese people LOVE Saba-chan, her model and her rigging.

These are her threads on 5ch:
https://egg.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/sugiuraayano/1751143391
https://egg.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/sugiuraayano/1751145841
https://egg.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/sugiuraayano/1751148447

lol

>>101776931
>sorry takeshi, this is an english planet

>ex-holo vs. ex-holo
Also, did the [sad news] meme originate on 5ch?

>>101776862 (OP)
"All japanese people are lolicon at heart"
-i forgot who said this

>>101776862 (OP)
>sugiuraayano
do they have a TOSHINOU KYOUKO as well?

She saved vtubing.

>>101777011
this?

uh oh, one of them is onto her

is this really what happened?

>>101776862 (OP)
Japanese people prefer EN vtubers over japanese ones.

>>101776862 (OP)
That's a lot more racism than I was expecting

> サバは卵生なのでセックスしないです
dont deepL this kaigainiki

>>101777096
Lmao, yeah. do you have the link to the full video? I am saving this

You have to be stupid to not understand her.

>>101777219
unfortunately no

>>101777127
i like how the translation added more EEEEs

>>101777127
They are making fun of us...

>>101777222
gura speaks clearly, but the colloquialism she uses can be difficult

the difference is like night and day

>>101776862 (OP)
>The Japanese people
lmao you mean expats and glowies?

>>101777546
Can a 3d model even be as expressive as a 2d one likes sabas?

>>101777697
meds. now.

>>101777546
Your Father paints life, while your Mother paints death.webm

>>101777296
bratty nips making fun of american adults

>>101777706
yes. but it's expensive as fuck

>>101777706
Yea, Zen's is a pretty expressive one, and Buffpup and her group have some expressive models but I personally don't like it how its done

Hololive succeeded in spite of it's garbage tech. I remember watching indies with better rigging before I started watching hololive. It's not going to make or break her.

>>101777697
You implying the CIA or the Japanese government is paying people to watch and comment on 5ch about vtubers?

>>101777127
literally me

>>101777546
ngl both fits their personality just fine

>>101779147
Her funny mannerisms are way easier to get across with more expressive tech. Cover should be embarrassed they've stagnated so much as a tech company.

>>101776862 (OP)
>oooo loli, erotic

>>101777063
no, anon, she is vtubing

>>101777546
the whore on the left fell down head first and only one anon understood my pain

>>101776975
Everybody is saying this

>>101777729
>Your Father paints life, while your Mother paints death.webm
and i paint saruei and saba's wombs white

>>101779441
>left, french, sounds like a total bitch, face reflects
>right, MERICAN!!!, sounds cute, face reflects
would both, ngl, wont ever, ngl

>>101779977
>french

>>101776975
>Sad news
Iirc it originated on some japanese anime news site and from there it was used on /a/ to shitpost

>>101779977
she's white cuban

>>101780121
she's a female with holes
so long as she doesn't look like a dog or fat i'm ok with her

>>101779977
>left, french
sasuga, frogposter

>>101777729
it's the other way around idiot

>>101780256
fair enough

>>101777127
KEK i will admit i was 50/50 on saba new look at first but the more i look at her the cuter it gets

>>101777706
3d can do anything 2d can faster and cheaper bro
don't let retards trick you with that there is a reason most forms of animated art tried to swap

>>101776862 (OP)
If she started an hour later she could completely cripple FWMC mornings for JST. As is a nice 6AM-8AM stretch is the perfect wakeup.

>>101780256
Truthnuke

>>101780673
No, the reality is that 3D animation is more expensive, but has a quicker turn-around. Also helps that it doesn't require as much mechanical skill from each of its animators. Of course film and television animation doesn't apply 1:1 to Vtuber rigging.

>>101776862 (OP)
LOL!!! Burned.

>>101781082
This. They could have build a nice cheap studio in Texas. A flight from Toronto to Dallas is only three and a half hours. A studio in the middle of the USA would have made it easy for anyone to fly to it regardless of whether they were in California, New York, or Canada.

>>101781082
We've been saying that for years but...

>>101781697
And if the main studio had full schedule, some JP talent could get a vacation time in US and record stuff there if it wasn't used by any EN talent at the time. But we needed to fund Holoearth instead.

>>101782219
I was actually looking forward to Holoearth for so long. I thought it could actually be really cool for concerts and stuff. That second trailer with the en girls was great. Then all the girls I liked left and now it just seems like a massive waste of time and money.

I'm just a fiend for tummy.
I fucking need tummy.
Lots of it.
I just wanna slurp it up.
BLRPBLRPBLRPBLRP
mphmmmmm I need it!!!
MMMMMMhhpPPPPP I'll pay any price!!!
MMPHJHOPHHPPHHMMMHHHHH Tummy!!!

>>101776931
>JOPs being as obnoxious as EOPs
KEK

>>101782573
this. I used to be strong supporter of HoloEarth. Looking forward to see my oshi there. All hype is now gone. The talents were going to be the biggest selling point for it.

>>101781697
California is the only realistic location for any jap company because flights from Japan to the US are way too long. The two hours from CA to TX may not seem like much, but it matters when it takes 10 hours to fly from Tokyo to LA.

>>101782816

>>101776862 (OP)
>most recent thread stuck at 16 posts
owari da

>>101783133
Who cares? this would be for NA talents. Also, the earth isn't flat, so washington state would be the quicker option

>>101781082
If Cover had any meaningful presence in the US they couldn't bully the girls to come to Japan so they could sic Japanese laws on them. They'd be forced to deal with American laws. Reminder that Nintendo was able to ban video game rentals in Japan but got laughed out of court in America.

>>101777127
Based nips

>>101783224
Forgot about Seattle, that's also a viable location. There's also a matter of all the bilingual staff that is mostly on the west coast. Cover isn't large enough to have a fully independent US branch and it would have been a terrible business decision to invest a ton in something that could have been short lived. They started EN doing the covid bubble and everyone knew there was going to be a major pullback at some point.

>>101782816

>>101783168
Huooohhhh!!!!
Tummy!!!
Tummy!!! Erotic!!
Child!! Erotic!!!

>>101783405
>Cover isn't large enough to have a fully independent US branch and it would have been a terrible business decision to invest a ton in something that could have been short lived.
Is this a thinly veiled joke about Holostars?

>>101783455
I genuinely cannot believe that there are actually retards who somehow believe Saba doesn't know what she's doing.

>>101776862 (OP)
Maybe we aren't so different after all...

>>101777706
if you use face bones instead of morphs you can do a lot

You guys should check out the livestreamfails thread on reddit lmao. Bunch of normies freaking out about a "literal child"
>reddit
I know but the comments are just too funny.

>>101777706
The model tracks a lot of movements but the quality of the rigging is not that good. You can clearly see her face is a flat mask. Coincidentally that reminds me of Anya's old rig.

those are not authentic japanese posters. they are indogs, pagpags, amerilards, yuropoors larping as japanese. MANY such cases.

>>101783686
you get a global ban on reddit for defending lolicon, it's an echo chamber by design

>>101777706
An indie I watch has easily the most expressive 3D I’ve ever seen. Her 3D modeler and artist seems very, very good.
https://x.com/mvjagaimo

>>101776862 (OP)
How the fuck do you use 5ch? I can't intuit it

>>101776975
It's literally the mirror version of "It's so over, sisters..."

>>101777195
based asexual

>>101776862 (OP)
Why didn’t she hire Nachoneko to design her new character? That feels like a betrayal…

>>101784019
Foreigners can’t post there, you have to use a Japanese VPN.

>>101784384
Nacho had that shit coming for a long time

>>101784424
But I mean just searching through it, on 2ch they have a dedicated board to Hololive and vtubers and it's pretty easy to navigate. I can't make heads or tails of the 5ch layout.

>>101784774
Why?

>>101784384
Maybe she was busy? She followed Nacho first.

>>101776862 (OP)
What do they say about Cillia?

>>101783405
They really didn't need to make their own studio, they needed to let them work with a third party, like some girls did back then, they were also late with the figures and collab merch

>>101785076
It's about the same as here, some are praising the rig for being expressive and berating holo for not investing enough into rigging, whereas some are calling it too expressive and saying it's probably reflecting western disney/pixar based sensibilities.

>>101783820
>ameritards
>knowing more than one language
implausible.

>>101784973
She barely supported Gura as a mama compared to other girls, why would Gura have a positive sentiment and ask for a new model? The art isn't even that good.

>>101785350
Gura praised Nacho many times and followed her on Saba as one of her first follows.
>The art isn't even that good.
I'll agree that the art of the model itself isn't that good, but the general design of Gura is better than anything shouu ever did, including Saba in my opinion.

>>101785455
And yet she wasn't important enough to pursue for indie model. That's all.

>>101785237
tokyo is like 50% ugly american dogs "studying" japanese or "teaching" japanese at this point

>>101777194
What were you expecting exactly?

>>101777018
>>101776975
>>101776931
truther

>>101783168
>actual rombus body

>>101776862 (OP)
Literally who cares. Now that she is out of Hololive her popularity will just decrease with time. Same for the other whores.

>>101791115
Why are you acting as if that only happens to people outside holo?

>>101776931
HOLY BASED

>>101777096
imagine being proud of pedophilia and demanding normal people to respect it. fucking disgusting.

>>101779977
I wish dooby was french.

>>101782816
based tummy enjoyer

>>101780102
I think it originated it on Sankaku and I fucking hate that site

>>101783462
it just doesn't hit the same in english.
it even more funny when its being said by japs, cause they're hardcoded degenerates its just even more funny to see it in japanese/english translated.

>>101795815
anon, you can have your french dooby, i believe in you

>>101779931
Saruei has STDs anon, you fucking retard.

>>101785720
This is unfortunately a “truth nuke”

>>101776862 (OP)
she's associated with kiddie diddlers

>>101798449
>3rd highest ranking
Gura was the most subscribed vtuber. No one counted cookie whatever because she' a youtube kids content farm and she started using a live2D after already having 10 million subs. Not even the Japanese count her.
I have no idea who this faggot thinks "number 2" was.

>>101785237
You realize the Japs are just like us in that regard right?

I would probably not fuck that fish
probably

>>101798449
>Hololive just had
No they didn't

>>101798893
>she' a youtube kids content farm
She's not on youtube kids so this point is irrelevant.
>she started using a live2D after already having 10 million subs
Why does that matter? She gained more than Gura ever did since then.

>>101798893
#2 is obviously Kuzuha.
Please ignore his subscriber count.

>>101799277
Most Japanese know a large chunk of English, even if only written and with shit pronunciation
Most Americans don't know a lick of Japanese and think Japanese kanji is demonic pedophile runes

>>101799847
Because it is.
Take your yokai kiddies outta here

>>101785076
>>101785186
>Cilia's rate card

Are you telling me Cover can't spend this much money on rigging

>>101799790
All of her content is youtube kids content the comments are turned off in the majority of her videos.
Pewdiepie has also gained more subs than Gura in the time since he used a vtuber avatar. That distinction is meaningless, especially when it is easier for giant channels to gain subs. Vtuber channels that are counted start from zero. There isn't a single website that considers cookie to be a real vtuber.

>>101785525
>>101785455
Gura's design >>>>> Saba's design
Especially those fucking ears goddamn.
Hot tip 'Saba' - you want those ears? Then be a fucking fox you dingus. Discount Gura with fubuki ears is a turn-off

>>101800042
>privacy fee
In other words, if you don't want this fat bitch to spoil your debut or new outfit and farm clout on social media by streaming herself rigging your new surprise model live on stream, you have to pay her an extra $2-4k.
What a fucking cunt.
It's just an extra charge for no reason. What vtuber would want their new outfit/model spoiled before they can show it to their fans? Fuck this talentless whore.

>>101800087
>All of her content is youtube kids content
It literally isn't.
>the comments are turned off in the majority of her videos.
Link 10 videos where this is the case.
>Pewdiepie has also gained more subs than Gura in the time since he used a vtuber avatar.
He only used it once as a joke. Cookie IS a vtuber ever since the switch and you cannot say she isn't one. You're not going to argue that all the other people who didn't use to be vtubers but are now, actually aren't.

>>101800259
>You're not going to argue that all the other people who didn't use to be vtubers but are now, actually aren't.
I literally am and I am justified in doing so by every vtuber community website, including the ones which keep track of subs. Converted channels have never counted.
It doesn't matter that you're too retarded to understand why Cookie is not a real vtuber. If she had created a new channel for her vtuber persona than you would have had a better argument. It's the same for streamers like Jaiden animations. She is not a real vtuber. She is a youtuber that sometimes uses a vtuber model. Woolie from 2bestfriends play also still occasionally brings out his shit vtuber setup. No one thinks he is a vtuber. You're a child and your bait is stale.

>>101800236
>In other words, if you don't want this fat bitch to spoil your debut or new outfit and farm clout on social media by streaming herself rigging your new surprise model live on stream, you have to pay her an extra $2-4k.
wait how is this a problem?
Cillia herself is advertising your brand for free

>>101800467
>She is a youtuber that sometimes uses a vtuber model. Woolie from 2bestfriends play also still occasionally brings out his shit vtuber setup. No one thinks he is a vtuber. You're a child and your bait is stale.
...Doesn't that describe people like Tsukino Mito then with her kigurumi stuff?

Damn, I guess Tsukino Mito isn't a vtuber.

>>101800467
>Converted channels have never counted.
There's a ton of converted channels (like dokibird, Pmaru, Kanaria, Bao, Rica, the list goes on) are counted on all of these website you're trying to use as an authority on this issue. Certain channels just magically stop counting when they're "too big" and someone points out they didn't start as a vtuber.
Are you now going to argue that those people I just named are not vtubers?

>>101800930
Adding to this, userlocal counts Nyanners, senzawa and kson.

>>101800630
Are you joking? No one that would be able to afford paying her would need advertising from a noname like her. Are you retarded?

>>101803607
>noname
lol
Just say you're too broke to be a vtuber and accept it.

>>101800678
>Doesn't that describe people like Tsukino Mito then with her kigurumi stuff?
No you fucking retard.
1) mito debuted on her nijisanji channel as a vtuber, not as a flesh streamer. Her channel was always a vtuber channel from day one.
2) that isn't even her in the kigurumi, you tourist faggot. You thought she was the one doing those IRL skits in the mito cosplay with the mask? Jesus Christ, where do you idiots come from?

>>101776862 (OP)
Leaving Holo basically guarantees she'll have zero Japanese audience because she was too lazy/sick to fulfill the idol side of things

>>101803704
Hey if you keep reaching that far you're going to sprain something.

>>101800630
>>101800236
it's for after debut.

https://x.com/cillia/status/1939861922058498205

https://x.com/cillia/status/1939817011389112673

>>101800930
>>101801007
If someone started their youtube channel 10 years ago and had like 50 subs, and then converted it to a vtuber channel and gained 99% of their subs that way, they'd have a much better argument being a vtuber than someone who was a well established streamer/youtuber with hundreds of thousands or even millions of subs suddenly converting their channel. Obviously the cutoff is subjective, but you're a fucking retard if you think mammoth channels like pewdiepie, jaiden, or cookie would qualify.
If you truly believe that cookie, pewds, markiplier or whoever else can just suddenly convert their million subs channels to being a vtuber and have everyone recognize them as such, then you're the smoothest brained retard on this entire board. But ultimately, it doesn't matter what you think, because the vast majority of the community and every tracking website agrees with me and not you.
>>101801007
Senzawa was never a flesh streamer. She never once posted even so much as a hand pic to any of her accounts.

>>101803650
I'm a male and not a faggot or a sexpest. Therefore I have no inclination to become a vtuber. Even if you thought this bitch was popular enough to have an audience watch her rig shit or whatever else it is your tiny brain thinks counts as advertisement, her audience would pale in comparison to the people commissioning her. So your argument is completely invalid. The "privacy fee" is not standard in any professional field that runs off artists doing comissions for businesses. That is fucking absurd. This is like a chef charging you 20% extra not to spit in your meal. She's a greedy, narcissistic cunt and you blowing smoke up her 300 lb whale ass is not going to change that.

>>101777706
>Can a 3d model even be as expressive as a 2d one likes sabas?

Yeah, this became like a huge meme a month back.

The facial tracking blendshapes are the same between 2D and 3D, but 3D always had a harder time getting as much popularity as 2D models for whatever reason. Maybe the texturing and shading is not there yet to look as good as a 2D painting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOIztBXox60

>>101804181
broke ass child

>>101803738
I'm not the one who didn't know who mito was, tourist. If you want to talk about reaching, merely look at your own Dhalsim levels of stretching definitions to meet your retarded idea of what a vtuber is.

>>101781697
>>101783133
>>101783405
>Basing in California, Seattle, or Austin (which is what would happen before Dallas)
This would have been a great way to throw away one of Hololive's biggest advantages, being from ANYWHERE THE FUCK ELSE besides the epicenter of rot in American entertainment.

>>101804245
Calling someone a narcissistic faggot for attempting to sell a banana taped to a wall for a million dollars neither makes me broke nor envious of their lack of artistic ability.
Fucking brainlet.

>>101804257
Sure thing, anon.
Cookie's still a vtuber. And she still blows your second rate has beens out of the water.

>>101804194
Because it looks bad.
More movement does not equal higher quality. You might as well become a vtuber streaming with Inzoi.

>>101781697
They didn't build a studio in the US because they couldn't find enough japs with the required skills over there.

>>101777296
>>101777768
As if we don't make fun of them as a matter of course
As if there has ever been any period of human history, even a single day, in which there was not a single group of people, anywhere in the world, making any sort of fun of any other group of people

>>101803720
Her new streaming time (6 am JST) is really bad for Japanese viewers.

>>101779617
Cover probably looks at their numbers and figures that the paying audience is satisfied with the current rigging, so why sink money into changing it? In fact, with the number of talents they have now, to change everyone's rigging probably wouldn't be worth the money in the long run when you figure that's money they can always invest elsewhere.
In other words, it's a matter of incentives and opportunity cost.

>>101804392
She's not a vtuber and no one thinks she is. She's a joke like annoying orange being a vtuber. She makes content for 3 year olds and is literally the equivalent to an indian content farm pumping out spiderman and elsa videos. But I'm not going to sit here and mock you for your horrible tastes that you're almost certainly lying about in the first place. Go ahead and enjoy your blown out married whore with 3 kids, lol. But as you sit there clapping while she goes over the names of different shapes and colors, know that you are not watching a legitimate vtuber.

>>101777546
Cillia goes crazy sometimes with the rigging.

>>101804616
for some reason nI expected even more dots on the tail. That thing is crazy. It looks 3D

>>101804616
Her work looks like a shitty facsimile of a pixar cartoon. The eyes in all her models bug out because she over rigs them. She's a fakeweeb hack that doesn't understand anime.

wake me up when the harapan streams begin

>>101777219
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMlf8fz9cEc

>>101804752
Punching little girls shouldn't get you off, anon.

>>101804616
>if she charges $10,000 for 2 week's work she must be good!!! even if it looks bad it's my eyes that are wrong
>there's no way she could charge that much and be bad

>>101804603
NTA, but this is just needlessly meanspirited to Cookie. I never watch her but to say she's not a "legitimate vtuber" because of her content is just ridiculous. And it's not like most vtubers are necessarily doing highbrow content in contrast - most just play video games for other adults to react to.

>>101804844
everything gets me off. that's just the nature of the beast.

>>101800087
>All of her content is youtube kids content
>the comments are turned off in the majority of her videos
why do you like to lie on the internet?

>>101782816
real shit

>>101776862 (OP)
>japanese people turning into panting dogs over little girls
come on man this is like saying the sky is blue, the fruit is so low-hanging it's on the ground

>>101803992
None of those people I just named had just 50 subs. They all started making some form of content and added the vtuber gimmick on top of it after already having a following. You just want to only discount Cookie and nobody else because she beat Gura.

>>101803992
senzawa was also not a vtuber so she doesn't count

>>101777127
I mean I still think she's gonna stop "delivering" soon.

I genuinely thought suipiss was just a /here/ thing

>>101783455
Almost fell out of my chair as she did that.
Amazing
Uooooohhhh

>>101777546
Saba is a CATFISH
Ahahaha

>>101776862 (OP)
>look at 5ch