https://x.com/RitaKamishiro/status/1939735012779413976
https://x.com/sagisawaria/status/1939749525209719052
No word from Sayu yet.

>>101785282 (OP)
Why did sayu even join

Sayu is a girl who drew a shitty hand and played it very poorly all the same. Truly the Haiti of vtubers.

>>101785390
it's worse, she dragged these two into noa

>>101785282 (OP)
Sayu as a person doesn't seem exactly terrible, but man, she must actually be one of the dumbest women on the planet. I trust even fucking Wemis intellect more than her, and Wemi is literally scoring like 70 IQ on tests, making her perhaps otherwise the dumbest vtuber i've seen... next to Sayu, i guess.

remember when sayu hyped the fuck out of this chink scam so hard that people even thought she meant joining vshojo

remember when sayu had a meltdown over everyone being concerned about her getting scammed by chinks, screeching "I DID MY RESEARCH"

remember when sayu had a meltdown after getting scammed because "you guys don't understand, you HAVE to take chances" or some shit

>>101785282 (OP)
>My time at NOA Talent has come to an end
>Are you graduating?? Nope!
So which one is it?

>>101785282 (OP)
Can't wait to see what'll be Sayu's next fumble

>>101785989
Its very obvious what they mean if you read Anon

>>101785989
its called leaving the corpo but keeping the IP anon.
its not the most common but not SO rare as to you not being able to understand it.

>>101785390
It's easy to shill anything as long as you say "niji bad" somewhere while doing it.

>I'm graduating from Noa
>Are you graduating
>No
Isnt it funny how you can immediately tell when women are managers at a corpo and can instantly guess why its failing

>>101786111
Then it's a graduation.

>>101786175
so the word graduation now means jack all, got it.

b-b-b-but you told me that Phase is the bad one...

>>101786268
anon, get better bait.
even /vt/ has been united despite our differences in knowing NOA was utter shit.

>>101786155
>>101786175
Its because retards barely skim read these announcements, if they say
>I am graduating
People wont read beyond that

Who could saw this one coming. Rita is a company killer. Always has been.

>>101785282 (OP)
Don't worry, the corpo hiring scene is so incestuous so they'll be back somewhere else in no time. Even that new Variance company is full of ex corpo girls and doxsite users. >>101783658

>>101785390
She's fucking retarded and makes bad decisions
If you follow her for long enough this becomes apparent

>>101786899
she also attacks everyone who tries to warn her

>>101785390
She's a narcissist and thus weak to getting her ego stroked, and makes bad decisions due to thinking of herself as the person who's the most competent.

At least she isn't evil or mean, but her narcissism is a huge personality flaw of hers that gets her into dumb decision or makes her look arrogant.

If nothing was known about the company, you couldn't call the decision dumb. But in this case there were all kinds of red flags, especially the owner.

>>101786874

4chan has had doxxes before. so technically millions of vtubers are doxxsite users. crying over variance is forgetting that all of their talents were successful in other corpos/ in their indies

>>101787211
I disagree, anon. Narcissists are inherently evil.

I don't get it. Why are people seething about sayu? It doesn't seem like they left on bad terms

>>101787325
>Why are people seething about sayu?
I wonder... >>101146786

>>101787325
See
>>101785910

>>101786175
>>101786233
>No mention of graduation
>Other people have left agencies while keeping their IP, and those weren't graduations either
>It's a graduation
Holy single digit iq

>>101787325
But what exactly did she gain from this? Her numbers are even lower than when she joined, what was the pros of joining this? What has changed?

>>101787441
only she knows what she was promised

>>101787397
My point still stands, they didn't sound like they got fucked over and it reads like an amicable separation
I swear you retards have been conditioned to think that leaving=bad

>>101785390
https://youtu.be/5PzRebs9blA

>>101787441
Merch it seems. She was able to release a few quality figures and even a replica jacket. So that happened at least...

>>101787325
I think people just want to bash Sayu and this is just the next convenient cudgel

>>101785910
just a typical self-destructive menhera who prefers to listen to a bunch of obvious groomers instead of the people who actually care about her, who by the way she probably spend her time punishing and pushing away.

>>101785390
Oh my GOD. Can you stop being such a fucking anti? Jesus.

>>101786155
Didn't know zentreya and geega graduated too

>>101785910
So uh, did any of the three girls get scammed? I couldn't tell from reading those announcements

>>101787669
She lost a lot of good will and quite a few long time fans because of some of the decisions she has made. Bashing the fans who were legitimately concerned about her joining Noa and thanking/egging on pirup or whatever his name is were only some of the issues. I've seen some long time fans move on to other vtubers but they make fun of sayu now whenever she makes another dumb decision. Some fans just flat out refused to support Noa or sayu for joining them.

everyone who took an objective look at noa realized it was shady

>>101787780
This reads exactly like the cope crypto bros pull out when even their friends and family start questioning their investment in shitcoins. I've seen this exact same rant before, it's like a cult that makes them push their friends giving sound advice away because lambo soon rocket emoji rocket emoji
Sad to see it happens in vtubing as well

>>101787780
kek, retard.

>>101787669
Pretty much
>>101787744
Concernfags should get the same treatment as dramafags
>>101785459
I doubt Sayu has the ability to convince even one person, let alone two, to join an agency with a shitty deal. Either the terms are good or they aren't exploitative and we haven't seen signs of the latter
It just feels like people want to see the even when there's no actual reason to

>>101788053
*Latter not being true

Did the girls actually lose any money from this? Any info on splits? They could have gotten a good deal since they were more recognizable than the corpo itself.

>>101788053
>>101788100
Anon you're being too logical, you're not welcome here

>>101787289
But I though Doki was the good guy

>>101788115
No info on splits, it's not like their contract was leaked like Niji's
And didn't Sayu said she had a lot of say over the terms? I'm expecting Rita and Ria to get the same deals

>>101787843
I mean... they are leaving with the models/channels. Their earnings probably got skimmed quite a lot but all in all the company is more fair than drones make it out to be.

>>101787780
Oh wow

>>101787669
I really don't understand why non-sisters go out of their way to dunk on Sayu. I mean I can understand that people who do business with Anycolor might be implicitly "encouraged" or explicitly obligated to anti her as a condition of a continued business relationship, and the Nijisisters hate her for existing, but I'll never understand why anyone else would hate her enough that their hatred of her is what defines their existence
>>101787843
Probably not, all three of them are keeping their IPs

>>101788115
I dont think they lose anything since it was Noa that gave up not the talents. It's Noa that is essentially breaking their end of the contract so the talents shouldn't lose anything. I remember sayu saying something similar when she talked about noa pulling away from the English speaking audience. She honestly lucked out. It could have ended worse.

>>101788300
Keep in mind they probably got merch support as well as convention presence (booth, panels, meet and greets, etc)

It's okay. Brave will save her :^)

>>101788335
As far as I could tell, besides concernfags who feel like they got burned, the rest is probably just people who want to be angry at someone

>>101788381
I don't know much about them, but they could have been vengeful and just fired all the girls which is the current norm.

>>101788425
Ah, that makes sense. Humans suck.
>he said without the slightest bit of irony or self-awareness, while on 4chan

>>101788521
>>101788521
I'm just pointing out that there are also benefits they got that aren't just monetary, so I viewed those as what they got in return for the corpo cuts
Also if management wanted to be vengeful à la Zaion (lol) they would have posted termination announcements and not what the girls just posted

>>101788606
Being on 4chan doesn't necessarily mean you're a bad person. I've actually met some decent people, just not on /vt/
But 99% of 4chan dwellers do suck, and this thread is just further proof

>>101785390
Because she's genuinely fucking stupid and narcissistic and there's a reason why she's the only one that's completely excluded from the ex-Niji/Holo clique. Nobody wants to interact with her except for like two Phase girls who are friends with her.

>>101785390
To be part of a group and to get some sort of support from management which it seems like she got
I was at Offkai and Fanime and NOA had some presence at both cons
It's not that hard to figure out

>>101785412
>Truly the Haiti of vtubers
KEK

>>101788703
not your hugbox lmeow

>>101788812
Good one anon now continue to chimp out in your echo chamber

>>101785282 (OP)
Hmm it doesn't seem like these girls got a raw deal, I wonder how vt will make this another "Sayu bad" thread

>>101788053
>Concernfag complaining about concernfags using their same logic
You basically said the same thing as them faggot kek

>>101786233
>>101787440
Graduation always meant leaving a corpo or organization. When people irl graduate from school (or from an idol group which is where vtubing got it from), it doesn't mean they vanish or die or retire forever. I just means they're just no longer a member of that school or group. The same is true in vtubing and it's how the term has been used since the early days.
https://x.com/myholotv/status/1372744644006715392
https://x.com/tsunderia_us/status/1518047073676972032
https://x.com/NovaAokami/status/1856173105657307558
https://x.com/PixelLinkEN/status/1893420507523096891
I know that indies commonly misuse it when they actually mean a hiatus or retirement, but when a corpo chuuba does it in a way that makes their own announcement contradict itself, that's fucking confusing. Just say you're graduating but keeping your IP.

>>101789153
What about the recent Vshojo departures then

>>101789189
Nobody gives a shit what westoids that tried to coin "vstreamer" are doing

>>101785282 (OP)
>her own fans warned her that joining this corpo was a mistake
>lash out hard at them
>ends up being a complete mistake
Is it me of does Sayu give anyone else wingsofredemption/boogie2988 vibes?

>>101787780
A vtuber being a retard is one thing. Can even be endearing sometimes and make me want to white knight. But being a smug defensive snippy retard is just off putting.

>>101785752
At least now surely, SURELY, she'll realize which people were actually looking out for her and actually follow some real fucking advice for once.

By this point she should be able to discern who's a friend and who's a poisonous snake.

>>101787325
/vt/ has declared sayu evil
and so it is so

Realistically it's like 1-3 schizo sisters who scream "SINCROKEK" at everybody for the crime of getting terminated by Nijisanji.
If you throw out even a single screencap or add context to anything, they'll samefag endlessly just calling you "sincrocuck."
I'd love to see the IP counts of a typical sayu thread.
I don't know who they're baiting. Her fans left this place ages ago.

Do we have the latest version of the living/dead corpos by year chart? We need an update.

>>101788335
>I really don't understand why non-sisters go out of their way to dunk on Sayu.
Her fans left ages ago. She's the "safe one" to punch down on since nobody here actually watches her enough to fight back.

After all, no matter how bad NijiEN gets, at least it's not Sayu, right?

>>101790157
>Only SEESTERS hate Sayu. I'm not a sincrocuck btw
So pathetic

>>101789422
Not all corpo departures are mistakes, I don't get why everyone instinctively decided it was bad
Did you even read the tweets? What part of them led you to think that joining noa was a mistake

>>101785282 (OP)
> chinese group tries to go international on youtube and twitch
> signs en vtubers
> fails
> crawls back to bilibili
> vtubers keep their characters and channels and are free to go

It's not as black as people try to paint it though.

>>101790407
>She's the "safe one" to punch down on
Meanwhile Piprup is calling anyone that shits on her a sister

>>101790420
NTA but having seen what >>101790157
described happen over and over I'm quite inclined to believe that is true

>>101790480
Shut up you're supposed to seethe, critical thinking is not welcome here

>>101785390
she's a woman

>>101790506
>Yes, anyone that doesn't like Sayu is a nijifag
Thanks for confirming you're retarded

>>101790480
Not only that, it seems like they even keep the new models, assets, songs, merch rights. Seems like a good deal.
...come to think of it, didn't she say she really liked the contract way back when? Something Something I'm not risking anything or some other

>>101790611
She did. I don't care enough to find the exact tweet, but she did say the contract was really good

>>101790611
Yeah but that goes against the Sayu is bad and stupid narrative
I kinda feel bad but it seems like Sayu has developed the ability to make anons seethe like Nijisisters

>>101790595
...who else is left? Anyone she was upset with is already doing better than her or reconciled, and she's too small for anyone else to care.

>>101790057
>Noooo she didn't listen to my backseating!!

>>101790448
>prior to debuts, an employee made a twitlonger explaining how she got mistreated by her boss while at NOA
>a perspective talent who already signed on to join and everything got publicly slandered by NOA before being dropped.
the talent in question posted hard proof that what they said about her was a lie so slander is being used properly here
>Parent company has their own pages full of controversies brought to light.
All of this was before she actually debuted but after the announcement, and even diehard sincroknights were heavily concerned over what kept coming out about NOA.

>>101791195
Yes, there are valid concerns before she joined, but I'm more interested in now, as in whether the leaving talents had anything negative to say about their time at noa

>>101791195
Didn't you mix up the timeline? As far as I remember the talent thing happened first (and largely due to the manager/employee) and the manager got fired later. NOA's problem was hiring that manager in the first place (and Sayu would have known people who had to deal with her in another corpo), not the firing bit.

>>101791195
At least things Sayu hopefully had a clause in her talent that says "if this corpo fails, I still get to keep my IP" like Rita.

>>101785910
It's like Kson joining Vshojo lmao

>>101792235
hang yourself windy

>>101790611
Even if it was a good contract she wasted a year of her life on something pointless and stalled any potential growth she may have had even more than it already was for a free model that's objectively worse than the one she already had.

>>101790611
If the contract and company was that good, they wouldn't have so many people leaving in less than a year

>>101788729
>ex-niji/holo clique
>holo
my boy blud thinks he's part of the team.png ToT

>>101792689
A contract can be good for the talent but unsustainable in the long run for the company

Sayu, time to suck up to 3AM and pray
>Had she stuck it out with Clio doing the hag RTS seeies, could have been a Phase Invader but rushed to the chinks
>Holo won't take an ex-Niji
>Brave is buying Vshojo
>Not enough whore content for Vallure

>>101793265
Cyberlive, Idol before they got sold. Arguably Vshojo.

>>101785282 (OP)
VShojo imploded so she can't even join that

>>101793829
Sayu thinks she's too big/good for Phase. In her own words. So whatever, really. Her destiny is just to be an indie.

Dunno what that is but I like Sayu's thighs

Phase connect dodged a bullet with her especially with the way she acted after Sakana appraised her real worth.

NOA is under Metishon, aka controlled by the evil vtutber owner final boss Hooxi/Yuefu. Some of his business succeed but anything under him is insanely unstable, and dude would doxx ex-talents on stream with 0 hesitation if it gets him views

Sayu is an lolcow

I use to be sympathetic to Sayu's situation, but after she snapped at fans who were worried that her twitter account got hacked when she randomly tweeted an advertisement editorial for a dating app, she got moved to my "nasty bitch" vtuber category and I stopped caring about her.

>>101795821
You probably don't like her face though

>thread about an agency
>comments are all about how they hate Sayu
hmm

This is a great song! I downloaded it just in case it gets removed.

>>101797280
Sayu has some very mentally ill antis.

>>101797280
The only reason people even knew about the agency in the first place was because of Sayu propping them up

>>101789153
the problem is that semantically graduation is a lot more narrow in english while 卒業する is applicable to more contexts.
Technically you can say shit like "I graduated from virginity" but it's not as natural as saying 童貞から卒業しました

>>101797365
I don't think people hate sayu outright man, it's more than they're disappointed that she outright mocked all the warnings she was given about this shitshow corpo.
Also I personally wasn't even watching NOA for Sayu
Rita is an underrated gem and I followed NOA when i heard she was joining
didn't seem very happy there desu

>>101797469
It seems like they're not hurt or mad about leaving so why are people mad as if noa mistreated them? Nobody knows how it went internally anyways

>>101797537
Sometimes things just don't work out, so shouldn't the fact that all three girls are leaving on seemingly good terms, prove that Sayu in fact knew better than retards on the internet?

>>101797585
According to vt if you're leaving a company or agency it can only be because it's a black corpo regardless of what actually happened. Even if the talent says they had a good time in the agency, anons are gonna say they're just helping the agency save face
Even if the agency didn't prove they're a black company, they surely must be, because random strangers on the internet can't possibly be wrong
So because Sayu joined and left, regardless of how it's presented, Noa is bad and Sayu is stupid, because anons are always right

>>101797585
Its more that people were extremely apprehensive because of her experience with Nijisanji in 2023, and with how some of her meltdowns in 2024 were still about how bad her time there was.

>>101797830
It's still weird considering Sayu said very clearly she had a lot of control over the terms of employment and she could back out safely
So I still don't understand why people got mad when she called them out for concernfagging

>>101797469
The problem with that is that if someone earnestly wanted to help, and then she fucked up by not listening, you'd expect the person to give up on them and leave, right? Not to become an anti and hurt her further. That doesn't make any sense.
This isn't like Finana or whatever where she was scamming people. The only person Sayu's been hurting is herself.
These are antis, not former "fans." The fact that they always fall back on the same 3-5 out of context moments attests to that.
You'd expect a former fan to actually comment on something about her beyond what shows up in the OP of a /vt/ catalog thread.

>>101798158
With how her actual fans were driven out of here it does become the perfect opportunity for antis to shit on her without any counters

She's so ugly on the outside and in.

>>101790157
Sayu's problem is that she always teeters on the edge of being a lolcow, just barely garnering enough legitimately deserved pity to avoid going over the edge. Still, it makes for a spectacle in its own right.

>>101785282 (OP)
Sayu's statement
https://x.com/sayusyn/status/1939868939833803241

>>101797994
The problem is that she goes on rants instead of doing a curt "I know what I'm doing, you don't need to worry so much." Who comes away from her scorning the concernfags feeling better about the situation? It's food for the antis and the concernfags just get more concerned. Girl needs to learn how to stop and take a deep breath before posting.

>>101793829
>Holo won't take an ex-Niji
....although, admittedly, the content of her streams is very much antithetical to the kind of content Cover would allow her to do, particularly the emulation and the Pokmon rom hacks. So it's very unlikely that she'd apply for Holo in the first place.
But they wouldn't reject her solely for being an ex-Niji.

>>101798807
Cover wouldn't hire any ex-Niji because they wouldn't want to deal with the shitstorm that would ensue from fans on both sides. They could just find any random literalwho 2view to fill the same role and have none of the drama to go along with it.

>>101798771
Oh my god, she's gonna try looking for ANOTHER Agency?!?! Give it up girl. What the fuck

>>101798771
At least she hasn't given up. I can't help but feel bad for her but hopefully, after two tries, things will work out for her.

>>101798807
Luna was smart enough to pull the ladder up behind her.

>>101790157
As an unbiased 3rd party, Sayu's mistakes are her own and I have a mild distaste for her due to latching onto other talents' respectful fallouts and trying to paint herself another tragic victim. Combined with the constant donothon/subathon events and the inability to just move on.

>>101798771
She should join NijiEN. Things are looking up again there.

>>101798771
after she shat on PC and VSJ UNPROMPTED and considering her overall bitter personality no decent agency would want to do anything with her

>>101800964
>PC and VSJ UNPROMPTED
It was quite literally prompted.
People asked her about joining those two agencies specifically and she answered.

I would post the Muyu laughing soundpost if I had it. But Sayu is not worth the effort.

>>101798771
She is homeless and now corpoless

>>101801009
Yes if you ask someone if they're joining something you're obligated to talk shit about them. You can't say "no". Fucking retard.

>>101802137
She didn't talk shit tho.
Her exact words were "They don't provide me with enough worth half my income, as anything they can offer me right now is something I could've gotten on my own."
and "I can't join Vshojo because someone there would veto it."
She handled both with kids gloves. Where's the "talking shit" part?

>>101802241
>anything they can offer me right now is something I could've gotten on my own

You're a fucking retard if you actually believe this. Every indie, that are way bigger than fucking Sayu, will tell you differently.

Another one

>>101802397
Oh, you're a seething phasebeggar. No wonder!
Are you really THAT pissed because she had the audacity to not want to join?

Damn, I honestly didn't expect THAT group to be against her. I would've thought you'd love her after all the ria and shiina collabs. This is a riot.

>>101802498
I'm on my knees begging for her to stop streaming.

>>101802241
the talking shit was on a stream months after it, when she announced she was joining NOA and then said "we are not gonna join a broke corpo right chat?" or something similar, and phase fans thought she was talking about us cause we all knew she was banned from vshojo but still in negotiations with phase.
But honestly thank god she didnt got in, she for sure was gonna be Sleepy replacement on Invaders Quest but Sleepy is a way nicer girl and better streamer.

>>101802559
True. Nobody antis phase and their friends more than phase "fans."
Damn, everything about these constant sayu threads makes so much sense now.

>>101802573
Bizarre that they even thought that. Back when I was checking her around that time, she always seemed to like Phase and its members. She hung out with them regularly and clearly liked the corpo and how they were treating her friends.

But as soon as they heard the words "broke corpo" they immediately thought it referred to them and not a random 1view corpo like akioair or eien or kawaii which were all falling apart around that time from lack of money. Insane.

>>101802599
All she needed to do was to not be a cunt but that was too much for your ugly retarded chink

>>101802397
even Mari explained it, as an indie unless you are in the 2k+ ccv ladder or are friends with the big dogs, you are gonna have a hard time getting assets, be it art, music, etc.
And its soo fucking funny since she had that situation with Yuniiho.

>>101802804
No bro Sayu is a God tier vtuber who don't need no corporation except when she does and is searching for the next one

This is seriously too fucking funny.
Everything just falls into place now. The sheer amount of sayu threads and how often they constantly bring up phase and vshojo.
The past year makes so much sense now.

And you fuckers wonder why nobody wants to collab with your whores. Because THIS is how you treat the girls' friends.

Reminder that after Sayu said those things about Phase being a "broke corpo", suddenly Sayu never collabed with Phase again until just a few weeks ago for the REPO collab cause of Miia birthday

I'll follow those thighs anywhere

>>101802995
Stop coping faggot nobody gives a fuck about her unless it's to shit on her for being a retard when nijisisters bring her up kek

>>101803003
>suddenly Sayu never collabed with Phase again until just a few weeks ago
>suddenly X didn't happen until it happened but we'll ignore that because it doesn't fit my narrative. FUCK Phase's friends.

>>101802423
NIce update but you gotta grey out the version above.

>>101803026
same desu

>>101803061
>Seething this hard about your dumb streamer getting shit for being rude

>>101802423
i dont think Idol rebranding really counts.
even if it did, you'd have to add their new name to 2025 at least.

>>101802423
>Idol
A rebrand is not death. They still have like 10 talents.

>>101803059
Apparently you do to keep making threads seething about her.
She didn't even call your company broke. You heard her say a generic phrase and felt self conscious!

Wasn't this in like 2023/early 2024 too back when they hadn't even been able to rope Mint in anywhere? They were fucking floundering. I'm pretty sure she was bigger than the entirety of the company bar pippa at the time.

Hey, she didn't call your company broke, but if the shoe fits! Gahaha.

>>101803061
eh, nah.
if you're showing up for a 3rd parties birthday then you kinda ignore that you might not like all their other friends to be there for the birthday person.
i guess more importantly, i wouldn't consider that a 'phase collab', its a birthday bash that just so happens to have some phase talents in it. at the very least you certainly cant say she showed up to it FOR phase.

>>101803211
You have to be Sayu because nobody else would care this much. Stop trying to save face and own it you ugly bitch.

Is this the first time someone being dumb isn't charming? I kinda feel sorry for Sayu.

>>101803274
dumb on stream being cute =/= dumb in life being cute
shes just a failure, not a girlfailure

>>101790494
And Sayu is thanking him for being a harassing schizo.

>>101803269
>it MUST be Sayu!
>Nobody else would EVER laugh at Phasecucks outing themselves yet again!

>>101803318
hi sayu, know 2nd time failed too, but maybe 3rd times the charm?

>>101803345
Hey, if you beg on your knees and pay double, maybe this time she'll join your broke company.

>>101803318
Hello Sayu next time you shouldn't use reddit spacing and write something shorter than a novel coping about your fuck up

>>101803026
Imagine the thighjobs

>>101803373
well it certainly doesn't look to be phase that turned out to be broke sayu, lol.

>>101803385
Sure thing, pippa. See you at the next Offkai.
Maybe THIS time you'll wear a mask.

>>101803426
If you're not Sayu you're the most pathetic faggot ever kek

>>101803458
Says the one desperately bumping his seethe thread because someone didn't kiss fishman's bumpy asshole.
Maybe you should make a few more. Try to hide your phasecuckiness a bit harder next time.

>>101803493
I didn't make the thread schizo. Cope and seethe some more.

>>101803528
You sure? You're sure seething like someone who did.
>PLEASE hate this woman she DARED to not join Phase.

>it was ph*senogs seething the whole time

>>101803562
She doesn't need to be hated for that there's plenty of other things to choose from.
>>101803591
Nice samefag

>>101803621
You're just throwing out any deflection you can think of now, huh?
Seethe, phasebeggar. I'm sure you're still pissing your pants that Mint didn't join, too.

>>101803683
No I don't care. Incredible use of inspect element, chink level IQ surely

>>101803715
>inspect element
>not pointing out 4chan X
Holy shit you're just a braindead fish yourself, aren't you?
You can't even attempt to "debunk" properly.
Man you must really be seeing red right now. Who else decided not to join? Shondo, Lisa?

>>101803772
I don't care at all the only one seething is you. Hope your retarded whore finds another corpo to destroy though!

>>101803833
You sure? I'm having a jolly old time.
Meanwhile you're desperately throwing everything you can at this girl.
A girl who never even shaded your beloved company in the first place!
God this is fucking funny.

phase antis honestly care more about phase than phase fans lol

>>101803877
What's the difference? Between this and screaming and crying about Pippa "not streaming and wasting time doing a concert," they're the same thing!

>>101803874
no one needs to throw anything at her anon, she throws things at herself.
even her fans have regularly admit that, they are literally the first ones to have told her this corpo was a bad idea.

>>101803874
Why didn't you do it if they suck so much? lol

>>101803916
and she came out of it with a model, some merch, and a group song that she can keep forever. No strings attached.
Sounds like it wasn't a bad idea after all.

>>101803950
lmao

>>101803950
Her post-Niji model was better

Really don't get how someone who is so hostile to her own audience always gets a pass in these threads while others vtubers get showered with hate for any little thing.

When Sayu goes ballistic on a chatter or does something stupid it's always "oh she's just so stressed" while I see other indies like Dokibird have one bad day and get dogpiled by /vt/ for months.

Gee this sure looks like a bad falling out

>>101804060
Tf are you on this thread is literally dogpiling sayu
If anything vt treated Doki like an infallible saint

>>101803950
only the last thing even vaguely comes close to something she got specifically for being in that corpo, and she could've gotten that on her own too if she just asked her friends to make one with her.

meanwhile, she still probably lost income to the corpo, probably still has some red tape thats leftover (NDAs, potential lost assets (such as art on merch, etc), aswell as lets be honest, its hardly only going to come up here that shes two for two with bad corpo choices.
you can defend her all you want, but i guarantee you not even alot of her friends will trust her judgement on things at this point.

>>101804089
How is this relevant in any way?

>>101804119
nah i've seen plenty here dogpile her before.
sure, maybe they're all sisters, but they're still here and doing it here.

>>101804089
>I'd also die for you
Oh she will

>>101804120
If I make up a bunch of speculative bullshit thenn she DEFINITELY lost a lot

Why exactly are we talking about sayu here?

>>101804213
Because Sayu was NOA Talent's biggest cheerleader

>>101804213
If you're asking about why the thread was created, it's bait
If you're asking about way Sayu was brought up in the thread, it's because she's the biggest talent in the group and it's stupidly easy to get her antis engaged

>>101804213
Because she joined another company after all her fans said not to because it will die.

>>101804204
well your list of 'gains' literally included nothing of note, considering its factual none of that requires a corpo.
if SHE needed a corpo for those, then she is factually less competent than even many low 3 view indies.

>>101785282 (OP)
Rita is a sweet girl but she really missed the red flags with that chinxcorpo

>>101804302
The problem wasn't that the company will die, it was that they were worried she was gonna experience another black company. Which is a valid concern, but as we've seen, it doesn't seem like she suffered again

>>101798771
She may have a chance in vshojo now that the company has lost a bunch of talents in quick succession. Matara's not there either.

>>101785282 (OP)
Nobody gives a fuck sayu you fat wrinkly slant eyed hag

>>101804366
Thanks for sharing, now go back to /NijiEN/

>>101804351
>It wasn't bad because it ended early

>>101804383
Now now.
As we've seen in this thread, it could also be /pcg/

>>101804422
Watch out we've got a visionary prophet here

This is not that important. Just another small corpo crashing. It wouldn't matter at all if she wasn't an ex niji and didn't cozy up to the drama tubers.

>>101804422
Can you also tell me the lottery numbers for next week please thanks

>>101804458
>>101804482
>It was good actually that's why it blew up
You have to be brown

>>101804565
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denying_the_antecedent
Here you go retard

>muh antis
Newfags do not understand what a real anti thread looks like, I assure some of you sincrocucks would lose it.

>>101803317
Usually thanking a schizo for harassing other vtubers would be a death sentence for a vtuber yet here we are

>>101804693
15 year olds aren't allowed on this site

>>101804767
Concession accepted

>>101803309
She's not even being cute about being an IRL girlfailure, she fucking goes apeshit on people all the time.

>>101804863
You're the one thinking a company is good when you join it and they let you go a few months later. Keep posting logical fallacy links though I bet your highschool teacher is proud.

>>101804921
Good job putting words in my mouth I guess

>>101804921
That anon merely said that Noa wasn't Niji 2.0 but you somehow interpreted that as him saying that Noa was good
Maybe you should consider going back to high school

>>101804060
Sisters, but also contrarianism.

>>101805103
Nah it's my bad for thinking people online actually have functioning brains, just another reminder of why not to browse vt

>>101785910
Man she really was made for Nijisanji

>>101805103
>>101805152
Get back to the discord sisters

>>101785910
i remember and she deserves it

>>101804089
Looks like her antis are angrier than she is about this kek

She found her corpo
https://x.com/VAllureOfficial/status/1939943138346389686

>>101807745
I fucking wish.
Have you heard her deep voice? It's chilling.

>>101807996
deep voiced women are the best, love jerking off to them, Mars Fortuna is my Fansly goat

>>101799194
she should give up vtubing altogether, her ccv is always decreasing without drama buffs

>>101808282
Big same, man.
I wish my oshi had that kind of voice, but such is life. It's nice finding a new deep voice chuuba, though. I'll check her out.

>>101802573
knowing how much she hates the word 'eepy' her replacement being named eepy sleepy is quite funny you gotta admit

>>101787780
Oh yeah, this reminds she once tweet pic of herself wearing a 3D mocap suit. Did anything ever came out of that?

>>101808519
Yeah, she did a stream as a cute little chibi with decent tracking, and she has a 3D model apparently, but no equipment to use it with. They were supposed to hook her up with some but then everything went belly up.

>>101804476
bingo.

>>101785282 (OP)
I only watch Rita, but I knew this wasn't going to last since she hardly ever interacted with the other two and seemed to basically just do the same stuff that she did as an indie. It didn't ever seem like it was actually serving any real purpose. I'm just glad this didn't end up being one of those scams where they were able to steal the rights to their models somehow, like Phase.
Also I never noticed this before but I was just playing Xenoblade X tonight and didn't realize till now their gen used the name from that. Kind of a random thing to do.

>>101808340
Eepysleepy also has more viewers than Sayu now when she used to be smaller before. Funny how that works.

>>101809859
Phase doesn't own the IPs of Invaders. She wouldn't have lost anything related to that.

She said she was going to start doing porn if vtubing didn't work out

>>101810247
How delusional.

>>101810247
She has a face for JOI audio.

>>101810058
"viewers"
like the 5view monster that is Clio.

>>101810281
I think she would do some good POV blowjob stuff. If she does that I'd subscribe to her onlyfans.

>>101810284
Keep huffing the copium.

>>101798158
>you'd expect the person to give up on them and leave, right?
no

>Not to become an anti and hurt her further.
This board is made for vtuber discussion. I talk about vtubers who I know, either due to followign currently or doing so in the past.
Sayu made a lot of terrible decisions in the past. There is value in talking about them when her topic pops up again. You're behaving like a retarded fanboy who doesn't want to hear his oshi isn't perfect and shuts down any criticism because it hurts your feefees. Fuck off.

>>101798158
>The fact that they always fall back on the same 3-5 out of context moments attests to that.
Which ones? How are they out of context? Most of the time proper context is provided when her past mistakes get brought up.
No concretes, eh?
You're lying through your teeth to paint a false narrative.

>These are antis, not former "fans."
They absolutely are former fans. Only a former fan would be affected by those situations and know them so well. No matter how much you lie and try to dismiss their words, you won't succeed.

>>101810466
>They absolutely are former fans. Only a former fan would be affected by those situations and know them so well.
Do they know them well? Nothing I've seen in this thread implies they know anything other than generic talking points and speculation. No examples from streams, just tweets. It's like tweets are the only thing they've ever seen.

Are Synchrocucks really trying to da,age control by saying everyone was wrong for warning her about NOA because it was so grossly incompetent it couldn't last a year instead of it being cartoonishly evil like Nijisanji? This isn't the own you think it is, Piprup.

>>101790050
nigger this isn't even 1% of your average poster /here/, she even acknowledged there was a real chance of things going wrong. Don't be a baby
>>101787984
>offtopic "crypto bad" rant
is it 2023 again

>>101810570
Go point out which talking points were presented "out of context".

>No examples from streams
You're deflecting really hard. Acting as if people are wrong just because they provide examples from different platform, even though Sayu herself talked about those things on twitter and her own words are brought up...
There's also the case of streams being a major pain in the ass to look through 2 years later or disappearign from twitch or being taken down by her on YouTube... which you know about perfectly well, you're jsut trying to deflect from main issue and once again dismiss others' words. Same tactic that nijiniggers use to defend their favorites.

>>101810726
>is it 2023 again
No. You can tell because Sayu isn't relevant anymore, so it's in fact 2025.

Sayu should join Hololive and let it purify her darkest thoughts for years before graduating to become a successful indie if she ever wants to.

>>101810780
Not sure who that is but apparently she's relevant to dramaniggers like yourself

>>101810918
She can go to Vshojo now.

>>101811598
and add another corpo collapse to her list?

sayu and making terrible decisions despite her fandom telling her not to ... name a more iconic duo

>>101811637
actually she should go to Phase

>>101785282 (OP)
Rita seems to be fine, and that's what important. Don't really care about the other two.

>>101786175
They're changing bosses, not characters.

>>101810616
yep, that's their new goal post

>>101785390
>Why did sayu even join
Blame this girl.

>>101814392
this woman really posted an image of her pits when peer pressured. thanks a lot, quinn. that was a good nut

>>101814465
I wonder what she thinks about this whole shitshow and if she still visits this site from time to time.

>>101814598
probably, eoisvt isn't the smartest tool in the shed

I'd fuck Sayu either way

>>101802423
This should specify that Globie, V4Mirai, Vspo, and Idol are all brands owned by Brave group. It's the same parent company.

>>101785390
>Sayu
>Mistakes after mistakes
This woman I swear

>>101815158
grow some standards

>>101790448
The fact that NOA was a chink company should have been enough of a redflag to never join.

Screaming "sister" at everyone is literally all sayucucks have left huh, it must be hard trying to defend such an irredeemable retard

>>101809859
>phase out of nowhere
>stealing IP
Proof? Because the proof points to Yuri selling her model and IP, seeing as she was able to almost instantly buy a new model.

>>101815194
this is a graph for en branches that's why you aren't seeing holo id or niji id or the other several brands owned by brave in japan

People keep screaming that joining this agency was a mistake but I really couldn't tell from these announcements. Sure they had to pay their streaming cuts but they got some promotion and merch in return, so what else exactly did they lose?

>>101818014 (me)
Sure, agencies like idol were memed on because they were making claims of treating their talents better or having transparency regarding their splits, but noa never boasted about anything and just silently supported their girls
But all I've seen from critics is "sayucucks" and "Sayu bad" so it really just looks like schizos and antis doing their usual thing here

I hope someone will do better.

>>101803156
>i dont think Idol rebranding really counts.
It doesn't feel like "that company" anymore, in my opinion.

>>101790884
This poster is a woman.

>>101818014
>>101818148
Same desu, vt acts as if a new agency trying to break into a new market is a bad thing simply because it has ties to China like that makes a difference
There were signs that at least this one gave a genuine attempt but it simply didn't work out, which is I guess what vt views as its greatest sin
I suppose what vt is trying to say is that unless you succeed and reach the level of hololive you shouldn't even bother trying

>>101818464
Also before retards accuse me of being a chink, I literally don't give a fuck about a "Chinese" corpo

>>101818464
there were more than enough warning signs about noa's parent corpo doing a bunch of shady shit which, to phasekeks and vkeks boiled down to MUH CHYNAH, but instead of heeding the warnings and responding in a normal human manner, she had a melty and banned all who disagreed with her. that's why you don't see any smart defenders anymore, she ran them all off, now only her yesmen remain, hence >>101816168

>>101802423
First of all, we gotta grey out NOA's debuted year

>>101803156
>>101803177
Second, Chromashift should be added to the new year of debuts since it's what Idol Corp rebranded into. MyHoloTV is on this list as closed, but it transitioned into VOGI so it would still track regardless.

>>101818331
ok the problem is that looks even more confusing lol, if we're going by that, then someone should probably specify that VOGI is just MyHoloTV after merging with two other vtuber agencies.

>>101818916
Prefacing here that I'm not a fan of hers
I agree her melties are bad, but at the same time a lot of people don't see that she clearly knows way more than randos on the internet ever will
She definitely didn't convey that well

>>101815612
Nah, just be fun

>>101786874
This entire thread ignores that the contract has already specified that the talents can stream on their PL in several months, so if any of them flop they'll just immediately go back and Katya has already stated she's going to have way more content on her PL than on Katya, even after debut.

>skims thread
>phasebeggars made it to seethe at this girl for not joining
every single time.

>>101802423
yeah this charts needs an overhaul kek

>>101786175
Remember, when you argue here, you are arguing with people like >>101786175

>>101810300
please get some help like 99% of OF whores are hotter than her and that is including some fatties (disgusting)

>>101820272
femanon coded post

dun dun
dun dun
SAYut AIN'T SOooOOOoOO
I wouldn't be too sad, since she can just spin up another fake company.

>>101818331
>>101819088
This is the simplest way as >>101819088 mentions, following how MyHoloTV was treated. Also greyed out NOA.

>>101819088
yeah but myholo said that they stopped their activities. rename = death . in business terms they filed for bankruptcy just to avoid taxes. Also I think holostars en should be added too

>>101820634
Alternatively if you must go with rebrands.
I don't feel it's crucial to point out which corpos are heads of the Brave Hydra.

>>101820634
>>101820789
can you add holostars en?, I feel like if there's a holo branch that could cease to exist it's them (probably not)

>>101820634
Add ReLeum and Luminara
https://x.com/LuminaraLegacy
https://x.com/ProjectReleum

>>101820789
This whole chart is an ugly mess. It probably should be redone from the ground up

>>101820813
>>101820823
Gotta go now. If nobody else does by the time I'm back I'll do it. Having the relevant dates would make it quicker.

>>101820842
Probably! But I'm not the original maker.

>>101820911
2022

>>101820911
>If nobody else does by the time I'm back I'll do it.
Thanks for your work!

>>101820842
you just volunteered

>>101785282 (OP)

>>101785282 (OP)
So how influential was she?

>>101833836
For the corpo? She's the only reason anybody knows they exist.
In the long run? Eh. NOA didn't really do much, and there was no real risk so the girls left with pretty much anything they got there.

>>101820348
she is actually ugly anon, with exercise she could fix her body but she'll have to hide her face.

>>101835854
She's a vtuber, anon. I don't think that matters much when she'll be behind an avatar.
The only people who constantly bring up physical appearances as some kind of gotcha are other women.

>>101810247
Real?

>>101838255
No. She was having a mental breakdown and said it was even something she was thinking after her career and relationships got torched by Niji.

>>101824058
Fuck no I'm too lazy for that.

How is this thread even still alive? It's been nearly a full day of nothing.

>>101824058
That sounds like a pain.

>>101824058
I should pirate photoshop again

>>101835854
Face? Who needs a face, have you seen her thighs?

>>101838721
her face offsets the thighs