Thread 101814864

>Saba just reached 1 million subs, in just 3 days.
GOAT

Beeeeg number xD

and when's her next stream?

>>101814909
You didn't even watch previous two

>>101814864 (OP)
holoniggers are malding

>>101814864 (OP)
Has anyone from Justice reached 1mil yet?

>>101814864 (OP)
2 days and 17 hours to be exact

>>101814988
No, and they aren't reaching it this year nor the next

The algos had always favored her, got recommended twice despite telling youtube I'm not interested in any EN.

But-but /vt/ told me all of Gura's subs were dead subs, surely nobody would lie like that on the Internet?

>>101814864 (OP)
>fastest vtuber to 1M subs is a loli
uh oh hag bros...

>>101815079
>But-but /vt/ told me all of Gura's subs were dead subs
If they aren't then where are the other 3m?

>>101814864 (OP)
Isn't it technically more than 3 days, since her account was up way before her debut?
Still a big accomplishment

>>101815141
>1M in 3 days
Come back in another 9

>>101815182
>two more weeks
She won't even stream in the next 9 days lmao

>>101815143
It's usually counted from the debut because an account can be made in one day, the first announcement on X in another day, the first video upload for YT algo to start working in some other day. Yeah, Saba kinda breaks it with gaining half a million subs pre-debut, but vtubers always gain many subs pre-debut, just not that many

>>101815143
nah the norm is to count from debut
other vtubers "technically" have their accounts up before debut too

>>101815209
Keep seething phasefag, surely Pippa will make it in the next 10 years

>>101815182
And in a month it'll be 10M, right?

>>101815418
>phasefag
No, I'm not a chumbud.

Sub 200k graduation
Sub 200k debut
Sub 50% sub transfer

Shark tuber? More like Sub tuber mirite

Adventbros...
Justicebros...

>>101815143
No, it doesn't include pre-debut time.
Gura's time from debut to a million was 39 days, and Salome's time was 14 days. Both had debut announcement tweets some days before their debuts, and both had tens of thousands of subs at their debuts; but neither's pre-debut time was included in their RTAs. So to keep the comparison as apples-to-apples as possible, Saba's pre-debut time doesn't count either.
If at some point in the future another vtuber reaches 1 million subs less than 24 hours after the start of their debut stream, then that will be the new record, even if that vtuber has a 6 month and 950k subs head start.

>>101814864 (OP)
So ~22% of what she had? Weak, Faunimi and Saquna did it better.

>>101815740
>even if that vtuber has a 6 month and 950k subs head start
Just means it's a retarded statistic.

>>101815740
What if someone reaches 1M before debut?

>>101815677
still gna mog your favoritism gen by the end of the week

>>101815677
Don't look how many subs Dooby has compared to Ame

>>101814864 (OP)
How much did you spend on the bots

>>101815855
Then it'll be a record of its own

>>101815958
More so far

>>101814864 (OP)
that's pretty good
what does she play?

>>101816111
tune in in a few hours and you will see

>>101814864 (OP)
Hmm I can't decide if I should subscribe to Saba. On one hand, Gura is a lazy shit who treated her fans like ATMs for years. Feels like she shouldn't be rewarded for it. On the other hand, I do like seeing tribalfags seething.

>>101816111
With my penis.

>>101814988
>Has anyone from Justice reached 1mil yet?
advent only has fuwamoco with 1m she overcome advent justice dev_is and flowglow in 2days and 17h

>>101816551
She looks like she still plays with coloring books

>>101814864 (OP)
I unironically expect at least 2.5M soon, she can't have had that many dead subs as Gura, right?

>>101816860
No way she gets to 2M this year

Happy for her, but I'll miss the Gura porn. I liked Gura's design a bit more.

>>101814884
>nooo!!!! SHE was supposed to crash and burn!!!
>ahhhh!!!!

>>101814952
that's not an answer

>>101816551
>With my penis.
stay away from my waifu

>>101814864 (OP)
How many of them will be dead subs in a month

>>101816663
>advent only has fuwamoco with 1m
Doesn't count. It's two of them, you have to cut it in half.

>>101817712
the old solomon method, interesting

>>101814864 (OP)
Third time's the charm!

>>101815141
A sub 25% subscriber retention is not good, even if the number itself is high. Nimi kept more than half her subs.

>>101815917
>favoritism gen
but we have two favoritism gens

>>101814864 (OP)
Too powerful.

>>101817579
>doesn't deny it
kek

>>101815141
If they are then explain the 1m?

>>101818309
>doesn't answer it
kek

>>101814864 (OP)
Imagine how many subs she would have if she would have dropped the loli shit and appealed to the general population

>>101815794
Saba still breaks the record even if you start from account creation I'm pretty sure

>>101814864 (OP)
>succeeds without streaming
yeah that checks out

>>101818368
>still not denying it
KEK

>>101814864 (OP)
>1 million out of the 5 she had before
the falloff is hilarious

>>101818309
i'm not him, i did watch it, but she didn't leave a set schedule

>>101814864 (OP)
>Saba just reached 1 million subs
you guys botting her up again with more deadsubs?

>>101818477
losing dead subs and holo-only drones is just a net positive, trimming the fat

>>101815141
These aren't even most of Gura's active subs yet. This is all new people who see the hot new fishtuber with a funny avatar and tune in.

>>101818532
>hot
bro she looks likes she's 10

>>101818477
>>101818525

>>101818559
out of 10 sorry my post cut off.

>>101818406
Nope. Salome was less than a month, Saba almost two. That's ignoring the reincarnaton vs new chuuba part which makes the whole comparison absolutely retarded.

>>101818559
>out of 10

>>101814909
I assume whenever she has more stuff to shill

>>101818588
Ugh. That fucking gura rigger.

>>101818532
Kek, Gura's active subs subbed before debut.
>>101818632
>Hey guys, 1M subs celebration merch!

>>101818525
that's fine in my book.
i like saba, but i have a strict "no sub" mindset, so i can't subscribe to her channel, so a bot subbing as my replacement is a-ok.

>>101818607
A more sensible metric might be first to a million after subtracting total subs at the time of the debut stream but that's so convoluted that even the numberniggers wouldn't try to track it.

>>101818601
understandable

>>101818679
I didn't sub before debut because I am genuinely retarded and thought the fish avatar was all she'd be using, this makes me feel as dumb as when Ace Taffy tricked me into thinking she was always going to be a cat in a box

>>101814864 (OP)
Just you wait till she does absolutely nothing with them!

All of this would be impressive if she wasn't already the biggest vtuber before rebrand.

>>101818176
>Dooby
Debut - 300k (17%)
5 months - 400k (23%)
8 months - 474k (27%)
>Nimi
Debut - 400k (40%)
5 days - 500k (50%)
3 months - 600k (60%)
5 months - 664k (66%)
>Saba
Debut - 850K (18%)
3 days - 1m (21%)

>>101818373
Your "general population" doesn't support or watch streams.

>>101814864 (OP)
fastest traditional vtuber to 1 million

Sameko Saba - 65 Hours (2 days 17 hours)
Hyakumantenbara Salome - 24 Days
Gawr Gura - 47 Days
Yuuki Sakuna - 60 Days

I think Hololive is actually done at this point, every member that left has become way more popular as an indie. Just look at the most recent gen’s between Advent/Justice/Flowglow, they are fucking still not even close to 1 million.

>>101818945
>comparing debuts vs redebuts
chumkeks need a win bad

>>101818945
I wonder how much it took for Senzawa.
Closest thing to old Sen in style nowadays is probably Ljot Swanhild, though she leans more on the surreal/hyperreal.

>>101818607
Further complicating things is that Senzawa only actually revealed the Sameko Saba account on the 19th of May, over two weeks after it was technically "created". Making the meaningful start date closer to one month than two.
Add in the longer delay between the account's creation/reveal and the actual debut stream than usual and it's hard to say who was "faster" without qualifying with like a dozen different asterisks.

>>101818176
>A sub 25% subscriber retention is not good, even if the number itself is high
Apparently it is anon, considering Saba's actual raw subcount is rapidly approaching double that of Nimi despite the "low" retention rate so far

>>101819034
Inn the end it's still >>101819028 so you know who was actually faster, unless you're a hardcore chumbud.

>>101818945
fastest traditional vtuber to 2 million subs

Gawr Gura - 127 Days
Kobo Kanaeru - 388 Days
Mori Calliope - 561 Days

>>101818373
She'd have less than that, like almost all of your hagtubers and their "general population" appeal

>>101818795
How is it not impressive? It's like Trump taking $1 million and turning it into the $10 billion he has today. Shit's impressive because she managed to break a million with only the help of the people she tapped to make Saba a reality, and she managed to do it what, only three days after debuting?

>>101819028
>>101819205
In the end it's still >>101814864 (OP). Facts are stubborn things.
But if you're determined to make excuses, might I point out that (You) are comparing a corpo astroturf debut vs. an indie debut? Oops, your red herring died...

>>101818795
>All of this would be impressive if she wasn't already impressive

>>101819028
The corpodrone denialism gets more desperate by the day

>>101819265
>It's like Trump taking $1 million and turning it into the $10 billion he has today
No, It's like Trump taking $1 million and turning it $210k

>>101819254
Fastest Traditional Vtuber to 3 Million

Gawr Gura - 296 Days
Housho Marine - 1614 Days

(no other vtuber has reached 3 mil subs)

>>101818679
This (You) retard?
>>101195962
>>101107943

>>101819356
Going from 4 million to 1 million is not impressive.

>>101819265
Trump is retarded.

Saba is one of those situations where I genuinely don't see what people see in her that makes her so popular.

>>101819319
>an indie debut
kek, kys

Literally fake valor lmao, she already had the background of 2 big channels. This “accomplishment” means shit, Salome getting 1 million from nothing still beats out this whore

>>101819455
If you're a retard who doesn't know which way time flows, maybe
>>101819493
Good thing that's not what happened in reality, then

>>101819455
>>101819493
The point is, Saba's case is impressive because she did it on her own.

>>101819531
>NoooooOOOO stop pointing out inconvenient facts! KYS!!!!

>>101819509
Cute voice and model, shy personality, memes, no m*les. It’s literally that easy

>>101819474
>no other vtuber has reached 3 mil subs
how can you forget Kizuna AI?

>>101818731
This news site has a headline of 14 days after first broadcast (debut) but interestingly it also has 18 days from the start of her days of activity: https://www.itmedia.co.jp/news/articles/2206/07/news164.html
>"YouTubeに関するニュースを発信する「ユーチュラ」を運営するオモシロ(兵庫県神戸市)の「チャンネル登録者数達成日数ランキング」(日本のみ)では、「ジャにのちゃんねる」と「ほんだのばいく」の18日を上回り、壱百満天原サロメさんは17日(活動開始日から換算)で新たに5位についた。"

I think that it makes sense to make a distinction of the two because if Saba had waited even more like 990k subs or some shit it would take her hours to reach the 1 million subs post debut or hell even 0 seconds as somebody pointed out if she had waited even more which I find ridiculous.

It makes sense to take into account the first moment of activity (a public tweet) since design and even twitter memes/posts are also important (or being somebody already known which is a huge head start in the case of excorpos).

Otherwise it's like somebody started with 90 steps ahead in a racetrack and you started counting the timer it took the racer to reach the goal after he already made those 90 steps.

>>101819474
Fastest Traditional Vtuber to 4 Million

Gawr Gura - 664 days
Houshou Marine - 2095 days

(obviously no other vtuber has reached 4 mil subs)

>>101819533
>fake valor
Learn English you pagpag-munching cretin. It's not "stolen" valor because you cannot "steal" accomplishments from yourself.
She beat your Nijiwhore no matter how many excuses you pull out of your ass to cope.

>>101819474
Why is that woman naked though

>>101819533
>achieved 1m as Sen all on her own
>became a vtubing sensation the moment she said A as Gura
>1m at debut as Saba
It's like... she just has something in her that keeps her on top no matter what.

>>101819591
Did what on her own? Funneled a part of the subs she got not on her own to a new channel?

>>101819619
she's at 2.99mil, not 3 mil yet.

>>101819684
>achieved 1m as Sen all on her own
Over several years. Remember that this argument was about how fast she did it?

>>101819662
Literally leeched off her design 1:1 from Hololive

>>101819684
Because she’s in the same realm as safe edgy, she’s something that both normies and weebs can enjoy. But ultimately she has no substance, mainly since she’s still gonna barely stream and just act retarded when she does.

>>101819474
>>101819628
Saba will destroy Marine so hard Marine will graduate out of embarrassment.

>>101819533
imagine being a nijinigger

>>101819685
Believe it or not, anon, people do have agency. People choose to follow others, they aren't compelled to. Naturally, people who once were fans of Gura or Senzawa (or both) chose to follow Saba once she debuted because they liked her newest iteration, not because she was once Gura or Senzawa. If that were the case, they would've followed her prior to her debut.

>>101819685
>Not on her own
Yes anon, she totally didn't hard-carry the entire HoloEN branch that everyone expected to flop with <100k subs apiece or anything, Gura was totally just riding Omegatroon's coattails, yadda yadda yadda
Don't quit your day job, creative writing really isn't your forte

>>101819775
More then half of them did

>>101819696
She hit 3 million like three times already, it just always fell down below 3 mil whenever she stopped being active

>>101819709
What is this particular mental illness called?

>>101819774
Imagine being a holocuck

>>101819834
If that were the case Saba would already have been between 1-2 million prior to her debut.

>>101819800
fantasy writing clearly is yours

>>101819868
we're talking about an indie

>>101819709
But that's the point of Holo. You sign the deal to gain experience training and views while they have exclusive rights to farm you, then when you're ready and did your part you go your own way.

Sabanana

>>101819775
“Not because she was Senzawa or Gura.” Holy cope, she herself made it obvious who she was before even debuting

>>101819881
More then half of her current ones, are you retarded?

>>101814864 (OP)
I genuinely do not get the appeal.

>>101819888
Yes, an indie who clearly couldn’t let go of her past identity.

>>101819898
That’s not how a business works at all lol, they are not trying to “farm” people for a year or 2 only to have them leave. They wanna retain as much talent as they can, they arnt Niji that debuts multiple gens a year so this last year was an absolute disaster having so many from both JP and EN leave

>>101819996
>They wanna retain as much talent as they can
Well they should put more effort into making sure people stay then

>>101819753
I'm sorry your fellow bugmen value grinding over talent, Chang, but Saba has infinitely more substance than your fanfictions ever will.

>>101820032
Everything the girls have talked about the company has been nothing but good, everyone that’s left has just been lazy whores that couldn’t handle having to put in the bare minimum for the company

>>101819996
>They wanna retain as much talent as they can
And how's that worked out for them? lmao

>>101820053
She’s literally a dime a dozen that got lucky and already had an established audience. She’s popular because she’s popular, people follow her because it’s the “in” thing to do. Fucking brain dead sheep

>>101819887
>n-n-no u
And you retards call Saba "lazy" lmfao

>>101819925
number was big, must keep number big, must shill to raise number

>>101820089
>>101820080

>>101820125
I'd say people love Saba because she's charismatic in her own goofy way and because she's an unrepentant cunnyphile with good taste in little girls.

>>101820080
It's honestly kinda sad how this dogma's been so firmly burnt into your tiny little brains that you simply cannot recognize the writing on the wall and cannot stop repeating yourselves like robots, no matter how many times it's been thoroughly blow out by reality

>>101819684
Gura hit 1M subs before Senzawa though

>>101820208
>being an open pedo is ok because she’s a girl

>>101820161
>>101820230

>>101820246
>being an open pedo is ok
Yes.

>>101820246
Nobody said the "because she's a girl" part, though?

>>101820143
You are implying HoloEN would "flop with <100k subs" without gura.You're either shitposting or completly brainded. No point arguing with you either way.

>>101820230
Blown out by who? The girls themselves have said that the “disagreements with management” was a catch all phrase to make it purposefully vague. Not to mention the health and family problems that some of them had, but fact of the matter is that practically all that left barely streamed anyway

>>101820208
>>101820246
>>101820276
Samefag

>>101820125
I'm sure you take comfort in your fairy tales anon. But if you put aside your non-answer cope and jealousy and try thinking for yourself for a moment, you might realize that the truth is much simpler than your hare-brained sour grapes fantasy - namely, that she's gem who blows your unremarkable whore oshi out of the water.

holy shit chumkeks are delusional

>>101818885
Interesting. Considering both ame and gura were from the same gen, we might be able to expect a similar sub transfer ratio, potentially slowing down at 25-30%

>>101820386
Shes a lazy whore that’s already been through 4 other personalities because she can’t commit to anything. I’m sure chumkeks are happy that she’s able to finally be free of the Holo shackles so she can openly be pounded by her bf while playing dead by daylight with him

Saba, Saba
Saba, Saba
Saba, Saba
Saba, Saba

>>101820125
She's trying very hard to filter these out, yes. Doesn't mean she hasn't climbed the wall twice over already. Coasting to 1m on her third was well-earned already.

>>101820278
That was absolutely the expectation prior to HoloMyth's debut. Instead, Gura and Myth made it a success and built the whole thing out of their metaphorical garages despite only having an entire three managers to work with, not to mention that the head manager was outright malicious.
The COVID buff helped for sure, but it's very curious that it helped Gura in particular more than anybody else, now isn't it?
Either way, I accept your concession.

>>101820525
“Well earned” and it was literally on the back of her 2 other channels that she funneled to this one lmao

>>101820530
Glad you accept you're to retarded to argue with, have a nice day

>>101814864 (OP)
>gets over 1M subs before Hololive
>gets over 1M subs during Hololive
>gets over 1M subs after Hololive
So those antis who always claimed she only got noticed because "blue dorito" are just absolutely eating shit at this point, huh? Kek.

>>101820530
Gura was an exception because she was the only one that appealed to more than just EN fags, even Kiara and Cali who spoke Japanese were nowhere near as globally appealing because they didint have the cute factor plus they’re both cuntish/bitchy

>>101814864 (OP)
people still care about subs in 2025? those never translate to more important things like views. Her debut is proof of that. 3 million views but only 1m subs.

>>101820294
Speaking of facts, it is a fact that everybody from Mori to Kiara to Ina to Bae to Kronii have all openly confirmed that the leaving girls' grievances were legitimate.
>Yeah I know there are reasons they weren't streaming besides them being lazy but... but they still weren't streaming!
I love how you just totally refuted your own argument and didn't even realize it, lmao

>>101820080
wait so what's the issue?
They didn't want to keep up with the workload so they left
would you rather they stay forever and leech resources just to keep a dead IP alive and selling merch?

>>101820530
it helped gura more because people are very much just sheep, she had a decently large following before being gura meaning she immediately had a head start, people saw large number and assume that means they are better and went with that causing it to skyrocket. That is all, if she wasn't around it would have been one of the others that gained all the normies as subs.

>>101820596
>those never translate to more important things like views
Why are views important? All the things I've heard from youtubers is how subs are the important metric companies look for when deciding to collab or sponsor or not. Views are secondary at best.

>>101820650
tard wife

>>101820576
She was already noticed because "blue dorito", retard, you can't roll it back. If she got 1M subs again without linking to her past selves, that would indeed be impressive.

>>101820596
>those never translate to more important things like views
The most important benchmark is cash earned and she has probably 50k memberships minimum (might actually be several times that) and she sold all her debut merch in 1 minute.

>>101816009
In what universe?

>>101820666
>missed the part where she already had 1M subs before Hololive
Learn to read dumbfuck, kek

>>101820631
It’s more of the fact that once they left, nothing changed and they basically remained the same person doing the same shit with the same model and evening. So they’re “grievances” with leaving the Holo family was basically “I can’t be a lazy whore in the company anymore so I’m gonna be a lazy whore as an indie.”

>>101818373
Much less

>>101820488
>No argument, just mindlessly repeat the delusional mantra twelve more times
I'm sure it'll magically come true someday if you just believe it hard enough.
Meanwhile, the soulless suits over at Cover management whose tiny yellow cocks you're busy gobbling actually ARE as lazy, entitled and incompetent as you're pretending eeeeeeeeeeeeveryone else is. Oh, but I'm sure this won't cause any further problems down the line, right?

>>101820682
In this one. 26% vs 21%

>>101814864 (OP)
DIE

>>101820710
Again, what's the problem?
What would the alternative even be? They don't wanna work anymore, so they don't.
I vastly prefer this to pulling a gura/ame/shion for the next decade

>>101820667
>>101708225
one person makes up most of those memberships though

>>101820552
>She didn't earn it already because she earned it already lmao
A-anon...

>>101815044
>click "Do Not Recommend" on Saba clippers
>algo sends me like 20 more Saba clippers in response
I never watched a single Gura stream or clipper either, so clearly I'll be interested in Gura 2.0.
>algo also keeps sending me Kirsche clips
Viva la algorithmic technology.

>>101820701
nope, senzawa got 1M after Gura

>>101820560
>>101820645
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
This is some Qanon/BlueAnon level delusion right here. No, I take it back, even THEY had more evidence and theories that made more sense than you fucking retards.
Man, the lengths some "people" will go to to avoid facing reality...

>>101820748
She had over 1m and now she has 400k.

>>101820771
Somehow less delusional than other Saba antis ITT

>>101820868
yet despite everything the only things discussed about her is her being lazy and her numbers, goes to show what people are actually watching her for and how interesting she is

>>101820786
Anon, I hate to break this to you, but... the Senzawa account existed before Gura joined Hololive.

>>101820868
>AHAHAHA I'M A MOUTHBREATHING CRAYON EATER ACCEPT MUH REALITY

>>101820933
>He thinks he and his fellow brown /vt/ catalogvermin are representative of the human race
MY FUCKING SIDES

>>101814864 (OP)
BE. GRATEFUL.

Poor Saba QUIT Hololive because of all of the pressure and attention on her poor little shoulders! And ungrateful and demanding EVIL people like you are demanding this of her?!?!

BE. BETTER.

Saba never wanted all of this attention which is precisely why she hyped herself up this much slowly over time to space things out! Asking for a schedule is applying unnecessary pressure on her shoulders.

LEAVE. HER. ALONE.

She'll do things in her own time and if she needs a month to recover after all of the stress and trauma of graduating then she deserves it!

>>101820984
Guys... I think brownchama is having a stroke...

>>101820905
And Gura had 4.7M and now she has 1M. Retention ratio is higher for Ame. So far. Just as I've said.

>>101820962
Senzawa hit 1M subs 3 days after Gura, actually

>>101819533
wait so how exactly is it that saba being an indie who has hype from her last account is fake, but salome being boosted by the entirety of a billion yen corporation was real? Both had 500k before their first stream

>>101820474
Dooby was sabotaging herself at every step - no streams, dual streams, twitch only streams. As long as Saba sticks to just YT, and stays just remotely consistent with streams, she should have higher conversion rate. Probably 1,5-1,7m subs by the end of the year (35%+). If she reaches 2m I will be genuinely impressed, but everyone eventually slows down, it felt blazing fast for Nimi at the very start too.

>>101814864 (OP)
Can't wait for this to prevent her from streaming just like it did as Gura

>>101821121
>>missed the part where she already had 1M subs before Hololive

>>101814864 (OP)
YAGOOOOOOOOSAMA
YAGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSAMA
WHAT DO WE DO NOW?!

>>101821356
anon she literally didn't. she was relatively huge but she was in the 800k range. if I remember right that was bigger than all but like 2-3 holomem too. I think only what, korone and fubuki were higher than her when she joined?

>>101821255
>stays just remotely consistent with streams
rumao, how's the schedule going?

>>101814864 (OP)
I don't even like Saba and think she's a lazy grifter but it's funny how some people are trying to deny that she was by far the most popular EN by a huge margin and the popularity of HoloEN owes a lot to her and Mori for kicking off the branch.
>>101814988
No one from Justice will reach 1M for years. CC only just passed Sana a little while back

>>101821400
Feel like you're confusing me with someone else there, I was just quoting what the other guy said

>>101821478
ah probably. Just skimming the thread.
Man, that time was wild. It's really hard to say that holoen would be anywhere near as big without her. She WAS the big cheese at the start.
That "a" might've actually been the single biggest boost to holoen possible.
Most profitable syllable of all vtubing.

>>101821718
That "a" did literally nothing. She could have said "broccoli" instead and nothing would change.

>>101820208
she has good showmanship
she can survive, adapt and overcome
she knows her audience and knows how to hold their attention.

>>101820661
Because companies are stupid. Would you sponsor someone that has 10M subs but every video has 100k views or someone that has 100k subs but 200k views on videos?

>>101820650
>>101820665
>650
>65
>6
she'll do it again

>>101821923
Maybe, but that "a" was fucking EVERYWHERE.
It was insanely viral and the entire internet watched it in some form through all of the reposts, memes, etc.
>>101821966
No arguments there. It's still unfortunately reality.
I keep thinking on how Mint said companies turned her down because her sub count was too low, as well as how Niji was constantly hounding her for not having enough subs (despite being one of the highest in the branch, and being one of their top 2 girls at the time)

>>101821356
>Missed the part where Senzawa was a pre-Hololive account
It's okay anon, I'm sure you'll get it eventually

>>101821421
You think Saba's part of Cover management?

Why are retards itt comparing retention rates to others that have been indie for 5 months to a year?

>>101814864 (OP)
>3 days
Why lie? She"started" with about 600k sue to her long stalled predebut milking

>>101814988
Why did Holo's growth die so much that they're barely even able to cannibalize their existing audiences?

>>101822520
Yeah and? Did she hit 1M before hololive or not?

>>101814864 (OP)
unironically why? did people enjoy being ghosted for over 2 years? what's the appeal here?

Why are retards itt comparing Gura funneling prior subs to real debuts?

>>101822659
>changing the topic
This is very, very simple anon:
The account hit 1m. Yes or no?
The account was from before Hololive. Yes or no?
>inb4 refuses to answer, copes with some disingenuous deflection instead

>>101822645
Except there is no lie, anon. That excuse was thoroughly beaten to death all thread. Try again.

I see chumbies are going all out to take back the crown of most obnoxious fanbase from ruffians

>>101822887
what's the difference?
one has an entire company's fanbase flooding in
this just has one chuuba's fans.

>>101822887
>It wasn't a REAL debut though!

ATMbuds will do anything besides face reality

>>101822907
Yes
Yes
What now?

>>101822990
Sure there's no difference at all.
What a bunch of disingenious faggots.

>>101819533
>fake valor
It's stolen valor, you dumb mutt, and that's not even how you use the term. Stolen valor would Salome Heckadoodoo being held up as the fast sub growth vtuber in the world (well not anymore) even though we KNOW that Niji never shied away from botting, even back during the Lazulight days.

>>101823284
unprecedented levels of cope

>>101823244
>Yes you are right and I am wrong
I appreciate the honesty

>>101823281
>>101823368

>>101823372
yes it hit 1 mil, yes it's AN ACCOUNT before hololive. NO it didn't hit 1 mil before she became gura

>>101820230
If any of the girls, besides Mike who's word can't really be trusted, had even remotely hinted at something foul going on behind the scenes at Hololive then maybe you'd have a point.
As it stands, the only thing any of them have complained about is the perms autism that Cover unfortunately has to mandate because of retarded copyright laws outside their control.
Contrast that with how many ex-Nijis take a not-so-subtle dump on their corpo post graduation and the difference is night and day (cardboard wings, ex-Hollywood, etc.).

>>101823498
What? Everyone that has left hololive has said it fucking sucked there.

>>101820552
She could have simply rebranded her old account with her new Persona like Dooby, Nimi, and Doki did, but no, she made an entirely new one and reached a mil again.

>>101823445
Considering the whole "no linking to the girls' PL" stigma, especially at the time, all that really matters is that the account existed prior to Hololive, regardless of when the person behind it became affiliated with the company. It's not like the account wouldn't have gotten 1m anyway if she'd just stuck with it instead of getting accepted into Holo.

>>101821421
Gura was the boat that carried EN for a long time even in her absence her face was the most recognizable. Not to shit on the rest of myth but early on they were HEAVILY dependent on collabing with gura for growth and ill support this claim by asking why did the rest of Myth’s growth completely stop when Gura stopped streaming? Sure she is lazy its undeniable but she out of any EN is the only talent that finds success constantly, even before hololive.

>>101823560
Awesome. Then you should have no problem backing up your claim with sources.

>>101823610
>why did the rest of Myth’s growth completely stop when Gura stopped streaming?
Because the covid boom was over. Chumkeks really are delusional.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dj2_NQB7Jw

Stream NOW

EN MARKET IS DEAD
NO ONE WANTS TO SEE VTUBERS ANYMORE
lol

>>101823498
I will grant that there's no comparison to be made with Niji, the comically evil IRL villain of vtubing and Platonic ideal of a black company.
That said, the Jap perms autism - while unfortunately standard for Nip companies - is ridiculous, and on its own is far more compelling than just the lazy catalogcope we usually see, namely "they're all just lazy whores lel". Throw in the fact that there actually is way more than just that - consider picrel, Bae having to tank like 20 different cancelled projects, Moom getting fucked on both her 1m outfit wish as well as her post-graduation Nendo, etc. etc. - and it's clear that while Cover is no Niji, anyone who thinks the girls who left didn't all have very sound reasons for doing so beyond their own ostensible "laziness"

>>101823839 (me)
>beyond their own ostensible "laziness"
*is coping like their lives depend on it

>>101818176
Gura had way more tourist subs.

>>101814864 (OP)
>in just 3 days

>>101823934
Don't look at any of the corpo channel join dates

>>101822935
lol anon your own dumb spamming does not beat anything in any capicity, simple logic remains no matter how hard you try to yell

>>101823839
It's just a taste of the grim reality that is the corpo-dominated bureaucratic nigthmare that is the Japanese entertainment industry.
The entire reason why Hololive even has this intense perms autism is because fucking Capcom almost shut down Mio's channel because of retarded copyright infringement.
Add on the fact that appealing to Youtube over crap like this, even with a sizable legal team at your back, is a herculean task for anybody and you can begin to understand Cover's reluctance to have anything but a buffer of a gorillion contracts and agreements between themselves and their projects.
I don't like the perms shit, hell, I don't think anyone at Cover on any level besides legal does. But it just is what it is.

>>101824022
Damn. Might as well disqualify every single vtuber who didn't debut the day they made their YouTube channel

...oh wait that's all of them

>>101814864 (OP)
I don't understand how this shit works, surely the 500k people who subbed in the last week have the intent to watch her right?
Therefore she should be pulling at least 500k per streams at minimum, people sub to vtuber for a reason or that would just mean it's literally dead sub in a way people just sub for engagement like you would like a tweet or something.
For the 1 million people who subbed in the last 2 weeks you cannot convince me 95% of them are all busy on a tuesday evening in a way they cannot catch the stream, this stat doesn't make sense especially considering vtuber audience.

>>101823976
>>101823934
>>101814864 (OP)
18th may, thats her start lol

>>101822939
Honestly ruffians are pretty okay these days, they've been humbled with stuff like this so most of the obnoxious ruffians already oshihenned and became antis, leaving the more docile ones.

>>101824142
Anon, have you ever used the internet before today? Honest question. This is the kind of shit you would've understood if you spent even a few months watching videos on YouTube

>>101824122
>disqualify
who said that, you can still count it, just your math will have to be time to be1.6mil - 600k , for that to be an actual 1mil subs in a time period. Because her 0 to 1mil legit took 1 and a half months

>>101814864 (OP)
and she still has no schedule
this is why vtubing will never be a serious job

>>101814909
You'd better watch it, faggot >>101823740

>>101824194
>Spend years trying to me holomems
>Hit it big
>Start sucking Nihongocock
>Get 1M
>Burn out
I guess they accomplished everything they wanted?

>>101824194
I wish they did fuwamoco morning every day

>>101824313
>will never be a serious job
While true, she's also made more than I could ever fucking make in a decade in three days.

>>101824181
You really, really don't wanna go down this route, anon.

>>101824339
They did get their partnership with ToHeart and with NekoPara, two things that were pretty important to them. They'll never get the sololive they so desperately crave, but hey, at least a lot of the other stuff they wanted to do was or is getting accomplished.

>>101824282
>Because her 0 to 1mil legit took 1 and a half months
...What? That doesn't make sense, anon. You can't only add predebut numbers for one channel but not the other.
Hell, she had a holo buff funneling her in subs. Might as well disqualify those.
The only subs she's allowed to count are on her pre-holo channel now. No holo buff and no predebut numbers to worry about.

>>101823839
>>101824084
Perms are just a mild annoyance in the grand scheme of things. Killing and delaying projects for the dumbest reasons is the bigger problem, this is what kills motivation of those girls the most, and then when they have to deal with perms in addition to that (and managers/management being slow with that as well), that's when they start questioning what's even the point of working for a corpo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dj2_NQB7Jw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dj2_NQB7Jw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dj2_NQB7Jw
She won btw

>>101824234
I did fucking retard and my post is completely reasonable.
People who subs to ex holo chuubas do it for either 2 purposes, keep following their career because they are fan of them or give them support.
Gura is a weird case because ever since the beginning and I was there back in 2020 her amount of sub was completely overblown compared to the overall market for no apparent reason apart from the fact senzawa was the most popular chuuba pre holo hire.
This looks like the exact same trajectory with Saba, she'll probably reach 2 or 3 in a couple of weeks and still pull out barely more than 30k per stream, you can't convince most of those subs aren't subbing to keep her number1 like it was some sort of elaborate scheme.
>she deserves it
factually incorrect because she became most subbed holo a month after debut without doing anything.

>>101814864 (OP)
Tood game stream, let's go

>>101824616
Not everyone watches live, not everyone watches every stream. Not feeding you any further

I get that this is Gura, the fucken Lebron James of Anime Girls as that cringe website called her, but doesn't this just open the door wide open for the minor indie->corpo->massive indie pipeline? Short of blackmail or the most fucked up contracts imaginable how would corpos stop this?

>>101822646
When myth debuted, the concept of EN vtubers was nascent enough that YouTube's algorithm didn't know how to categorize it, so the reach was massive. Now it's reach is much more narrow, and the slow crumble of myth and promise has estranged a lot of older fans with nobody new to replace them.

Saba did it correctly, spreading awareness outside of YouTube for weeks so that she didn't need to rely on the algo to get eyes on her debut. You have to work against the system to get reach now.

>>101818945
Looks like Saba is the most popular vtuber.

>>101824752
Who cares? Fuck big companies. If Holo has taught me anything with the last 2 years, it's that it's all about the money for them and they will push talents to do things that make the company more money. Whether or not it aligns with their own personal goals is a different story, but fuck if the massive push of basically ads and merch in the last 2 years hasn't soured me a bit and slowed down my enthusiasm.

>>101824752
>how would corpos stop this?
they don't, hopefully
It's a contract, corpo gets to slap brand, bring brandwatchers, train the worker and make money of it. Then the person leaves to do their own thing.

>>101824752
you have to put work on
>corpo->massive indie
for this to work too
Sakuna, Chloe v2, Kson, Rica, dooby, all had significant drop in ccv, only Nimi retained her views

>>101823839
Hololive is a black company. It's ok to say it.

>>101819628
I do wonder if the Japs see this shit and get pissy. There were quite a few who were mad from the JP side when Myth hit the scene and blew up and over most of them in months, doubly so because everyone including Myth were told that it'd just be ID1 again.

>>101824694
In the case of Saba specifically 5% of her alleged fanbase watch her streams which is a very low ratio.

>>101824752
No it doesn't, the "massive indies" were successful as corpo vtubers, and not all corpo vtubers are successful
Plus, some of these massive indies were successful even back when they were minor indies

>>101824917
I don't think it's a black company, it's just like any other company. If the contract is not mutually beneficial anymore, you don't renew it.
Shrimple as that.

>>101824921
Of course they do. Holo JP collectively seethed about Gura towering over all of them for most of their careers.
Saba lapping all of them will be glorious.

>>101820781
>Watches lolis and right wing grifters
>Gets mad that the robot shows you lolis and right wing grifters

>>101822887
Because you faggot retards were the ones who said her reincarnation wouldn't have a big debut, they were all dead subs and she was just a flash in the pan from COVID.

Immediately proven wrong and now you cry and backpedal and move the goalposts, keke.

>>101824989
But it is a black company.

>>101824841
These garbage gachas they've got the JP girls pushing right now sure does make it difficult to watch

>>101821421
what the fuck gigi has been trying so fucking hard for months, how is ERB so far ahead just spamming unarchived reruns

>>101825205
Gigi's channel became all ads for like 3 weeks. It was wild. It's not to say that every ad stream is going to be bad, but fuck if I want to watch you play some shit game you obviously would have no interest in because they gave you a check, play it for 2-3 hours, and then never touch it again. I can skip a stream here and there, but when your channel turns into
>YGO
>YGO
>YGO
>MERCH AD
>GATCHA GAME
>BAD PLATFORMER YOU WERE PAID TO PLAY
>MERCH AD
I'm not gonna wanna look for a while.

>>101825121
Real subs are the CCV average.

>>101825209
Gigi is an acquired taste. Anime girl singing absurdly well is not. Even if that anime girl does sound and act like your autistic aunt.

Advent in suicide watch?

Gura/Saba is the McDonalds of vtubing.

>>101825209
>how is ERB so far ahead just spamming unarchived reruns
Something catalogshitters can't comprehend - that spamming gaming streams isn't the only way to success

>>101825121
Here 4M were a flash in the pan from COVID and you can now watch her not getting anywhere close in real time. The bleed is still enough to get her to ~1.5M probably though.
Don't see anyone proven wrong or backpedaling yet. Only retarded chumkek screeching.

>>101814864 (OP)
congrats saba :3

>>101825454
No, she's the Babe Ruth

>>101824480
retard anon the math is simple. I dont give a fuck about your bullshit excuses. Time to gain 1mil subs means 0 to 1mil, or 1mil to 2mil ,etc, not 600k to 1000k - thats 400k subs. No matter how many times you try it with your weird nonsensical tangents. Im fucking off from wasting my time with you, because you are either too stupid, or youre pretending to be one on purpose.

>>101825454
Not even, she's pic related

>>101825729
>projection from worthless 2views
Kek

>>101825670
>nooo MY arbitrary metric is THE ONLY ONE OF VALUE

>>101825209
The algo is tuned to bias against gaming streams heavily now. You do not gain subs by doing gaming streams. You basically only gain them by releasing videos (mainly music), clips or doing events.

The holos that released even one moderately popular song get more residual subs years later off of people finding that song than they do from basically all other forms of current and new content combined. Justice is growing so slowly most of all because cover is so checked out from HoloEN that they don't want to pay anyone to make official clips or run promotions for them like they do with Dev_is. They know it works, but the likes of CC and Roara are so marginal in their eyes compared to Raden or Vivi that they just don't want to cut the cheque

>>101825981
And then it's like
>why is EN leaving?

>>101821421
Clearly collabing with males is the answer here for holos. Unikeks died off

>>101820650
its almost like she knows what shes doing and tries

>>101814909
>and when's her next stream?
In about 50 minutes.

>>101815677
>sub 200k debut
Actual retard

>>101825981
>They know it works, but the likes of CC and Roara are so marginal in their eyes compared to Raden or Vivi that they just don't want to cut the cheque
I don't understand what you mean by this part, why is Vivi and Raden more valuable to their business than Justice?

>>101814864 (OP)
>tfw new holos are struggling to break 500k
>saba breaks a million in 3 days

>>101814909
>>101815209
>She won't even stream in the next 9 days lmao
>>101817579
>>101818368
>>101824313
She's live in 42 minutes.

>>101815044
She's part of a certain tribe

>fish
>has fox ears
???

Imagine if she manages to reach 4 million subs faster than she did before
Are holofags going to seethe hard?
I can't wait for her to get to 5 million subs before Marine. /vt/ is going to crash.

>>101826316
They are Japs and vtubing is 100x more important in Japan

>>101826453
Catfish

>>101826412
people saying that are actually dumb, but so are chumbuds expecting her to keep it up, she's done every time, consistent for a few months to farm being new, then just gone and repeat,

>>101826519
those aren't cat ears

>>101826453
fixed

>>101826587
Unironically better design

>>101826316
Japanese.
The only ENs that cover has ever cared about are the ones that are Japanesez or speak the language well enough to pass. It's why Ina is still rolling on events and collaborations with one foot in the grave, why Fuwamoco are featuring in Azki concerts and why Mori remains their Golden EN Goose while the rest of the branch rots.

>>101826587
give her a dorsal fin on her head kek

>>101826453
kitanya...

>>101826570
They're actually horse ears

>>101826587
Just keep telling her (politely) that she would look better without the ears.

>>101824509
>She won btw
obviously>>101826412
>>She's live in 42 minutes.

>>101826691
that's a senzawa headdress

its an ancient tradition to wear the skin of your kill as a protective charm.
(the tail used to be guras, RIP)

>>101825729
that's hololive en

>>101827154
so that gura, you guys were always saying she's the face of en even here you guys are still on about it, so if that's en then that is gura

I don't really care for her, but I wanted to point out how I've seen for years chumbuds claim that she's super shy and that's why she doesn't stream for them. Doesn't seem like that's the issue at all, she seems to be happy for reaching 1 mil subs.

>>101825729
>>101825454
>>101827154
whos the white castle of vtubing

>>101826480
Marine will have no choice but to graduate and never come back.

>>101825547
You are either some kind of masochist or genuinely in denial. Either way, it's funny as fuck, please keep posting your delusions going so we can keep laughing and grudgeposting you into the stratosphere forever.

>>101825670
>Time to gain 1mil subs means 0 to 1mil
Good thing the ACTUAL metric is time to REACH 1m FROM DEBUT, not to "gain" 1m "from 0", and all your wailing about "excuses" is really just a fig leaf for the fact that we're poking holes in your weakass cope, desperate goalpost shifting and denialism.
btw, the only possible way for her to "start" from 600k was to be big enough to get that many people waiting for her from word of mouth ALONE. If she can do that to give herself a head start on reaching 1m from debut, why shouldn't that be fair? Oh, because nobody else can do it? LOL. I look forward to you handwaving away this inconvenient fact just like all the rest.

>>101826568
>Goalpost status: shifted

>>101828202
its never shifted anyone with a brain has been saying, she will stream for a few months and then go back to hardly streaming and having little to no online presence same as always. but there are those on both ends who don't know how to use their brains if they even have one

>>101828370
>anyone with a brain
>t.

>>101814864 (OP)
Friendship with Beepoop ended
Now Saba is my new wife!

>>101816111
>>101816551
/Thread

>>101814864 (OP)
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>>101825302
Gigi genuinely liked the games she played, though. Listening to her sperg out over CookieRun or anything she's a fan of is kinda entertaining.

>>101831457
Cookie run was the singular thing she was invested in prior to the adspam, and I was fine with that one purely because of that fact