Thread 101819652

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yARkfKkUcXg
How do we save EN anons?

caller

>>101819652 (OP)
JP SUPREMACY

>>101819652 (OP)
I kinda assume she knows they hired EN 5 and this is just working up to the announcement SOONʬ

>>101819652 (OP)
she should do covers for english songs.

her voice is wasted doing jap songs

>>101820829
she wants to have her cake and eat it too, but she's to stupid to realize that she better off pandering to the EN audience exclusively.

>>101820829
English covers cost way more than jp songs

>>101819652 (OP)
Clone some of the JP members and make a gen out of it

>>101819652 (OP)
her dumb whore ass is why they had 30 graduations in a year, the fact she views herself as some pillar of en and how it should be, the whole vibe check click nonsense, while they produce mediocre restrictive garbage
this is a funny video, thanks for the laughs

>>101819652 (OP)
You can’t be saying this shit when you don’t even stream the most in the branch.

>>101819652 (OP)
that Vibe-check comment was definitely aimed at someone who didn't get in during last auditions...

>>101821250
>30 graduations in a year
Wrong company, dumb whore.

>>101821319
I barely exaggerated 10 graduations

>>101821308
who?

>>101821260
She still streams a lot and has both cover work and umg work to do aside from streaming

fauna kept the en branch alive for years

>>101821431
the fact she left of all people says everything

>>101819652 (OP)
I thought the stream quota got better once Advent and Justice joined. Why the nerve tick about numbers? The management literal warmed Mori's friend Bae that people aren't able to do both idol/song stuff and streaming at the same time.

>>101821518
indies and small corpos are running circles around them while they create ever increasing demands and expectations of the few naive and foolish enough to stay

>>101819652 (OP)
>the part about need to have goals
>the part about needing to get along with everybody
Ah, so basically. The new gens (advent and justice) are filled with catty cunts who pushed out literally the most successful Council and Myth talents. Typical office politics driven by jealousy.

>>101821368
good question
I really don't know

>>101821054
as the beast (in beauty in the beast) put it, THEN GO AHEAD AND STARVE *uwu~*

>>101821699
Mmm yes abuse me more, suddenly I have romantic feelings for you Anon

>>101821739
nice, thanks, sexing time

>>101821054
time to make originals
>>101821338
then you definitely meant a different company. Competitor A had like 24-28ish last year, right?

>>101821518
I know this is a phaseligger board now, so I'll explain. The nerve tick of numbers is because of 2022 when nobody around was streaming. Only Fauna was around to carry. Think Mori got some PTSD from that era because it was really rough for HoloEN in terms of streaming output which massively made lots of people feel disinterested in Hololive. Combine this with the big internal drama that made lots of people want to quit too lol.

Unfortunately with JP management, this aspect of you know - managing output should be part of their fucking job but they clearly have their own priorities with just doing idolstuff and putting streaming on the backburner which has been displayed multiple times. Mori knows that streaming is just as important for the job so that's probably why she's stressed because she directly/indirectly needs to have some online presence for the branch. She's the Daisenpai and face of the branch in a way, so I can't blame her. Gura is gone, so next face is her after all.

>>101819652 (OP)
Maybe she have cheered for and pushed the current direction of EN that is killing the branch’s momentum and making some of your best chuubas leave

>>101822321
Should not have*

>>101822137
Probably a two dozen nihongo business men in queue wanting to fulfill their P-chan fantasies at Cover...
I can see where Mori is coming from, the company has been running in good-will-fumes for years now and with latest golden gen fucking around like rockstars leaving 1/3 of the viewtime un-utilized it sure as hell won't be growing.

wonder what's Yagoos take on this, pulling the company from public trade was pretty bold move and surely there's a good reason for it

>>101821250
So everyone left because Mori makes more songs and streams more than them?

>>101821250
>the fact she views herself as some pillar of en and how it should be
Not her fault that nobody else in Myth/Promise was proactive enough to approach Advent/Justice first

Stop killing all streaming at the same time.
Debut a new gen ASAP so there's more people to fill gaps.
The same fucking thing happens every time the new gen has to go record, the entirety of the branch goes to shit for a month or two if no one takes initiative to make offcollabs work in Japan.

>>101824020
They don't owe you streams chud

>>101819652 (OP)
makes sense. They technically only have 3 gens worth of chuubas now. They need to debut one gen to go back to normal account and then debut another to go above that.

>>101824082
FWMC suck balls at doing anything with anyone in a stream setting which means they barely offcollab with EN even though they are there when everyone flies in.
Raora is too passive to push people to come do things with her.
For some reason, a lot of EN has started to really embrace the 'Do stuff and maybe talk about it later on stream' instead of just planning trips around making content for fans directly. You know what Miko, Flare, Lui, and Korone did when they went on vacation? They came back and had a few streams centered around that vacation to give fans something for sitting around with their dicks in their hands waiting for them to get back.
You know what Raden, Kiara, and Ririka did when the two JP members visited her in Austria? They had an off collab and then shared stories about their day trip with fans.

>>101819652 (OP)
>EN5 isnt gonna happen for about a year
very cool, so Biboo, Calli and Kiara have to carry the whole branch

>>101821995
>time to make originals
i mean, anything to have her actually showcase her voice the best way possible.

like saba/gura/senzawa sang in japanese and english, and her voice sounds way better in english than japanese, its just smoother and fluid.
i was listening to some songs sung by lumi, and she sounds great too, singing in your native tongue will always sound way better than in an adopted language.

i just think its a shame that callimori cant reach her full potential because she sings outside of her talents ideal environment.

>>101824391
Gigi was a pretty decent streamer for a while there until the 2 month trip that every gen gets hit with for their first 3d.

>>101824438
Man, yeah I wish that was more of a thing too.
I REALLY like the originals she has on her other account. Shit like Alcatraz is absurdly catchy.

>>101824268
Those JPs probably hated doing it and never will again. Just like how Advent won't do any more watachalongs with the whole group. They hate us.

>>101824457
true, but surely things should get back no ''normal'' anytime soon now, Gigi/Ceci was a very strong initial start and i feel like its already over, advent really is just Biboo, promise is dead and myth is Callo and Kiara as always soo...

>>101824644
Hated doing what? Getting together and laughing about a bunch of stories that came out of their trips? I'm really confused as to what you meant by that.
As for Advent, it's 50/50 on FWMC and Shiori. Both are massive flakes, one because they just pile on a bunch of random horseshit only a chunk of their viewers can actually enjoy or have access to, and Shiori because she's just a weirdo like that.

>>101824559
post link

>>101819652 (OP)
she gets stressed out seeing the
>hololive
>nobody live
posts

>>101824657
Wtf are you talking about? They're still in Japan doing 3D stuff, dipshit.

>braphog mori won
>cgct pillar getting eroded
>Got carried hard by the thing she destroyed and now has to pick up slack
let me see that dread and anxiety mori, you little normalfag male collab enabler

>>101819652 (OP)
https://x.com/moricalliope/status/1940011666139435234
this is not fine

>>101819652 (OP)
YOU MAKE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK DO YOU HAVE TO STRESS OUT ABOUT

SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DUMB FUCKING BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOUR LIFE IS STRESS FREE, IF YOU FUCK UP, MANGEMENT COVERS FOR YOU, DUMB FUCKING BITCH!!!!!!!!! SHUT THE FUCK UP AND CRYIN YOUR PILE OF MONEY WHORE!!!!!!! I WORK 15 HOURS A DAY 7 DAYS A WEEK FOR SHIT PAY, KILL YOURSELF MORI CALLIPOE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>101824945
Good. They should sweat it a little bit. Kiara has mentioned it plenty and gets flack for saying it, but it's true. It's a shit look to see JP who have a pretty good talent pool who cover most hours of the day for fans.

>>101821338
The only EN they lost who streamed a lot was Fauna.

>>101825009
they all stream a lot more on their own now, cover was making it hell for them

>>101825002
JP have the fucking grindlords Pekora and Miko. It's not a fair comparison.

>>101825128
Kiara puts in a real good chunk when she isn't flying to and from Japan for recordings. If she lived there and could just jump on the train to do things, I wouldn't be surprised if she'd have something close to those two. Biboo also has a very similar chunk, taking after her bff Kaela.

>>101825214
To be fair Austria is much nicer to live in than Japan.

>>101821479
All the White American women are leaving and only Mori remains.

>>101824945
yeah? then offset by making the:
>callilove
>love for calli
posts

show love and support to your adopted vtuber, forget the corpo, the corpo could drop her at any moment they deem her unprofitable, but you, her supporter, can keep her going by giving her motivation.

>>101824953
what is hard to understand about the word 'soon' you fucking ape rapist

>>101825305
she's barely white anyway

>>101825305
In Nerissa we trust

>>101819652 (OP)
They need more people like Biboo, girls who love Hololive's culture, streaming a lot, and working hard. Preferentially with a more mature voice and model too, as much as I love the rock I'm very well aware of how much she filters people who can't stand lolis.

>>101825371
thats pretty mean.
you dont need to tear others down to feel good about your life, anon.

be better anon

>>101819652 (OP)
The saddest consequence of that is that hlgg is completly dead. Like fuck, I remember a time where it was the fastest thread, or always at the top. I left after Ame so i didn't really see it getting worse and worse but now it's just a dead thread

>>101825484
it would only be considered mean if you're racist

>>101825496
Because the hundred or so people who would spam constantly and watch streams together went elsewhere.

>>101822137
It's interesting to see that many people thought gura was leaving just out of spite, that the "pressure" wasn't that much, and after just over a month of being the new face of holoEN, Calli is already saying this

>>101821651
what do you mean, gigi literally plays league with nimi when they aren't streaming. she also connected dooby with the artist that made some of her chat assets

>>101825360
Right after, you say they had a strong start, implying now they're slacking on output, when it's because they're in Japan doing multiple recordings. They're going to be in Japan for atleast another 3 weeks if not more. You're contradicting yourself, dumbass.

>>101825565
Oh you're right! I checked mikoboat, and yeah they're here

>>101825444
Exactly anon, exactly!
Biboo, Kaela, people that can autistic grind for hours without going crazy

>>101825444
>tiktok shit
>Hololive's culture
Advent was a mistake.

>>101825564
i'm pretty racist but i try not to be cruel, in this case i'm seeing mori from a detached state.

as someone that's been "cast away", i've seen it in others, from my own family members to acquaintances, it is painful to see in others.
this isnt about race, its about who you are as a person and how your words influence their own self perception and choices.

being cruel isn't a good trait.
there's playful banter, then theres being mean just to tear down others

>>101819652 (OP)
I stopped wanting to save them when most of the en members said the changes that drove other talents out were good for them.

>>101826198
just retire already and tend to your family

>>101819652 (OP)
i used to get stressed out by my job but now i just dont care since i earned enough money

>>101826260
i dont have a family, nor do i have anything to retire from.
i'm of the noble race of neets.

always unemployed yet always working to guide man.

>>101826324
you sound like mori

>>101826392
anon, i come from a big family.
5 sisters 4 brothers.
i'm the middle child.

i used to fight with them, spend time with them, play with them, argue, share secrets, share talents, trying to be better than them while also trying to make them better so they'd could be my rivals worthy of challenging.
with a big family you realize that spending time with them is more important that anything else.
now they're all married with kids, and live far away.
so when i see you guys here, i see my family in you guys, in the girls performing, trying their best, and you guys cheering or criticizing, i see how our family used to be.

the only thing is, theres some cruelty here (in the community on the internet), maybe its because there's no actual attachment or understanding of the consequence, or realization of the loss that comes with time.
just know, there's no need to tear others down to feel better.

>>101826677
tits or gtfo

>>101825325
>yeah? then offset by making the:
>>callilove
>>love for calli
>posts
lol
lmao

>>101826218
what changes? for all you know it could be an euphemism because it would be rude to say
>selling merch is the real money maker and they went indie because cover's share was too big
it would make those that are still in look lazy and gullible, but more importantly, it would discredit the entire genre

>>101826831
but i'm a guy

>>101826836
the point is, show support for her rather than worrying about the corpo.

dont miss the forest for the trees, anon.

>>101824877
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRQ3sKGQ2KQ
It's less of a showcase of her voice and more of a showcase of her skills overall.

She did everything in this video. The lyrics, the song itself, the animations, the editing, everything was all her. It's actually a little insane with how well it was made.

>>101827737
She didn't compose the song

>>101825668
>source
>meth pipe

>>101824644
>Those JPs probably hated doing it and never will again
idk about that group specifically, but Mio plans trips with other holomem all the time, especially MioMikoSuba, and they often make a stream afterwards just to talk about it while sharing photos they took specifically to share on stream

>>101825779
nta but i mean the other other hlgg site

>>101821250
>click

>>101823180
wasn't Mumei the first one to collab with Advent?

>>101830168
lol

>>101823180
>Not her fault that nobody else in Myth/Promise was proactive enough to approach Advent/Justice first
They shouldn't have. Advent/Justice are trash.

It's clear that Senzawa/Gura/Saba literally carried the entire branch. The fact they also lost Mumei, the first to 1M in her gen, was a deathblow.

HoloEN is just a bunch of corpo lackeys now. Sad!

How to save HoloEN

The next gen is an "invasion" style plot line straight out of pro-wrestling- eg. NWO in WCW. Technically Advent should have been this but now its time to actually pull the trigger.

>>101830285
Might have been Fauna, she was pretty proactive welcoming Advent and Justice, unless Mumei managed to squeeze in some collab I don't remember while Fauna feeling the early effects of puddle arc.

>>101830285
technically the Kiara holotalk was the first live Advent collab outside the gen, although some of advent also sent in stuff for Mumei's birthday karaoke

>Odd-numbered Gens are good
>Even-number Gens are bad
HOLOEN 5 NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

>>101824457
imo at least Gigi made visible effort to wake up early and stream few hours before heading to studio

>>101825444
People who hate lolis SHOULD be filtered
You don't have to love them but actively disliking them is a massive sign that you're an insufferable tourist

>>101819652 (OP)
It afraid, finally

>>101819766
Saba should overlap EN5 debut with everyday 3d live streams.

>>101825002
>It's a shit look to see JP who have a pretty good talent pool who cover most hours of the day for fans.
Dumb comparison, there's like 38 JPs compared to 15 ENs
Her point is that if even just 4 ENs take a vacation as the same time, their absence will be much more pronounced

>>101837291
based

>>101837205
>And they all say
>"Tear it down, burn it down"
>And they'll all pay
>When I tear it down, burn it down
>When the world falls through
>And all is ash again
>While you all pretend
>If this is the end, I'll do it again
maybe hololive failed the vibe check

>>101837291
>Stream everyday
Kek

>>101837660
That's kinda my point though. Why are they so tenuous on bringing people on for EN when they rammed out 7 gens for JP in 4 years.

>>101840128
The sign is a subtle joke. sneed sells hololive merch, but chuck, he tore it down and burned it down (and he'll do it again)

>>101839862
How fucked up they are to lose the golden goose like that? She wasn't a bitch she was patient with them for at least 2 years.

>>101840838
Issues on her side: Anxiety meant less streams and inability to actually talk to her fans about issues, felt demoralized by project cancellations
Issues on Cover's side: They didn't want to invest the time/money into projects for someone who wasn't streaming, they didn't push Gura to stream more and let her take her time (which resulted in her losing any fire she had)

It was a double sided issue and ultimately Gura stopped being a good fit in Hololive. Saba has freedom to do what she wants, at the pace she wants - and without worry of representing others, now to see if she wants to do it.

the problem is how the company wants EN to be on JP time and literally live in JP, so streaming at EN times fucks them up.
the going rrat is that you either move to Japan or graduate.

>>101840838
japs are all about profit
americans are all about liberty

you cant capture wind, only air.
so too you can't capture the spirit, only the flesh.
in their attempts to put that lighting in a jar (lol), they stifled it and forced it to leave, keeping only the memory of what was and what could've been.
you can't force life, you can only create an environment for life to flourish.
if you've created an environment full of traps and pitfalls, life wont take hold, it will just seek another place to rest.
the next vtuber agency needs to know how to nuture the talent, not force it.
unlike the east, western talent flourishes in a free environment, not a strict environment.
this is why artists have managers, not to manage the talent, but to manage the affairs of the talent, so that they aren't overwhelmed.

but corpos must chase that profit
the reason why cali stays, is because she feels some obligation, that said, she too will suffer from burnout, and crashout.

>>101819652 (OP)
They truly dont have any good streamers left, gigi is funny but she has bad taste in stream games and tends to completely zone out for long stretches of time. biboo is fine but she's a kid, outside of that they are all mediocre, there is no stable core for the side characters to orbit around like with JP, its all side characters and its only going to get worse as the best talent leaves and the mediocre ones stick around forever.

Mori knows who is good at streaming and she can tell they are struggling, you cant hook or maintain new viewers if you have no star streamer.

>>101842363
of mori knew this she would be good at streaming and not boring and comatose when she streams

A true company woman

>>101842486
Just because you can tell who is funny or entertaining does not mean you yourself are funny or entertaining, that's completely retarded.

>>101837291
As if she'd spend her schmekels on a 3d setup

Predict Calli's graduation reincarnation character that will hang out with Dooby, Saba, and Nimi

>>101842637
Mori knows what she got from Cover and won't betray them nilly willy. Gratitude goes both ways

>>101819652 (OP)
>influence the change of hololives direction to benefit you and you alone
>other members don't like these changes
>don't think of the consequences because you're an adhd retard
>some of the most popular members graduate
>now even less people are streaming and even less people are watching you and hololive EN as a whole
>saba gets 1 million subs before her third livestream
>she still doesn't follow your RM
>now your only choice is to stay in hololive en while it slowly declines
>going back to you're RM isn't an option because you've already burned bridges with the other ex holos and you know that you won't be nearly as successful as they are without hololive
>and you know you'll never be able to get a major record deal without hololive because if you could've you wouldn't have even joined in the first place
good job mori!

>>101824559
for me? It's Nisemono Gangsta

>>101842637
>that will hang out with Dooby, Saba, and Nimi
>he doesn't know

>>101842637
She has no reason to leave. Others got neglected in some way, Mori is getting everything she wants. She knows that, that's why she felt depressed and guilty when graduations started.

>>101842912
she didn't sound guilty at all. The of her guilt was saying "that sucks for them but I'm doing fine"

>>101840982
Anxiety is the product of demoralized mind, whenever she though she fucked up something she retreats in her shell for days. About the failed projects, she probably blamed it all on herself, she secretly hoped the corpo would give more support eventually, but it never come. When she's in good mood she stream more often

>>101842819
>follows Wawa and some others
>doesn't follow Calli
I didn't even notice
Wonder what beef they would have, maybe music contracts

>>101841254
Currently in myth I believe ina suffered more than her

>>101842544
Yeah I remember how she defended the corpo after shark's announcement

>>101842637
Mori would rather hang out with western podcast and vshojo instead

>>101843160
The party broke the fish forever. She won't forget that

>>101843286
What's the lore here, I don't really see why Gura would dislike Mori

>>101843169
sure, at the moment, the girls are just cattle for the company to milk then toss once they're no longer profitable.
asian culture has no grace or mercy, its profits and success first, then maybe you might be human, so you get a small break.

never trust the japanese or asians, or anything they export.

>>101825044
>they all stream a lot more on their own now
lol
lmao

how the fuck did the entirety of justice get hired if there's a vibe check?

>>101819652 (OP)
This is a slap to the face of corpo. Before saba many people assumed vtubing market is going down, but the queen reverses their speculation just by existing

>>101843403
It's all schizo posting... All of it...

>>101843667
It isnt...

>>101843403
This happened because of that incident.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2022/06/29/airbnb-shuts-down-party-houses/

>>101843667
Then why would she not follow her RM?

>>101822321
That is the thing though, she didn't push for the direction of less streams

>>101843834
This was insane, literally a day after the incident

>>101843834
Oh wow. I didn't know this part.

>>101843834
>>101843901
What is the incident, or where can I read on whatever happened?

>>101843946
Honestly I don't know if they still ban people for discussing the incident.

>>101824963
>Pretending Fauna wasn't the only one from the CGDCT pillar that actually regularly streamed
Yeah, okay anon...

It's amazing this is what morischizos believe. I wonder if all their stupid headcanon comes from just reading clip thumbnails.

>>101843834
I don't think it was because of the accident, but I do think that was a big contribution. Mori and Gura just didn't gel very well. Back when they would collab 1 on 1(which they stopped doing after the airbnb thing) gura would often try to set mori up for jokes or even just interesting conversation and she would either not get it or refuse to play along. Gura was probably thinking that mori just wanted to collab with her for her numbers and didn't feel much feelings of genuine friendship from her like she felt from ame or fauna

>>101824963
Mori didn't lift a finger, the CGDCT clique didn't give a shit about (you) and ran off so they could keep making money while doing much less work.

>>101844773
I was pretty sad when Kiara was pushing hard for bonebros at the end and they would just laugh and say "yeah"...

>>101819652 (OP)
I love Calli and wish her all the best. Despite not being the best singer or dancer and having a ton of hate, I would say she has had more success than any vtuber, signing a deal with a major label and transcending the culture into the mainstream. I can understand why she feels so pressure for the brand to succeed, because she is a major face of the brand, and there aren’t many gals who are willing to work as hard as her. The best way to counteract burn out is to show her some love, to let them know all the work is worth it and doesn’t go unnoticed.

>>101845113
She’s not gay, anon. She’s never pushed that she’s into other women and the whole yuri-bait was always a doomed attempt from Kiara.

>>101845114
how did a wholesome poster wander into this thread wtf

>>101844773
You got it backwards. Gura is the one who refuses to play along and calls other people cringe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyQ5fd3mBjE&t=4149

>>101845149
Anon she was pushing for a collab or hell just some interactions not dumb shipping.

>>101845238
This is Kiara, anon. Every single collab is a shipping thing.

>>101845273
No anon, the voices in your head should be ignored

>>101842819
/thread

>>101842819
Nice fanfiction but in reality all she has to do is wait for more gens to debut. New members will take some of the pressure off and she'll keep reaping the benefits of being in hololive and having a record label

>>101846721
>mori's current plan is to just wait and leech off the shiny new toy
she might be closer to a vampire than a grim reaper with all this leeching

>>101847857
What is wrong with collabing with other holos?

>>101837291
Saba only hates advent.

>>101847857
>muh leeching
Call me when someone who gets more views than Mori finally joins EN

>>101847857
mori is known to be a basic bitch clout chaser and ruins everything
anyone who denys this is just like her "fan" base full of shit people and liers

>>101822137
>rewriting history

Kiara was active most of this time

>>101819652 (OP)
Thankfull Gura left already

>>101848362
People generally forget that because she tends to stream early, as far as NA was concerned it was basically only Fauna. More people didn't like her back then too, only lately feels like she gets more appreciation for being a honest gal.

>>101828456
Council damaged holo EN culture by being overly secretive of their off stream interactions and not thinking about the fans at all, sometimes not even during the collabs you would often see chat confused what the hell are they even talking about.

>>101824559
Jesus jesus Japenisus

>>101825768
they could stream more from Japan desu

>>101820938
You are stupid and ESL

>>101837291
And then she proceeds to get mogged by Holo

>>101819652 (OP)
Why is everyone ignoring my oshi? Shiori nearly streams everyday…

>>101848702
autistic + male collaber

>>101843876
Youre right but it’s clearly a side effect of this new direction and her dumbass short sightedness didn’t realize it would happen because she is too busy trying to benefit herself by cheerleading for these direction changes.

>>101849144
What new direction?

>>101849144
>when confronted about what direction changes those are, anon will repeatedly fail to respond convincingly, then get irate and resort to buzzwords

Ask Biboo and Gigi to replace Gura as cute gremlins.

>>101850245
How? They aren't the same, they won't be the same. GG isn't even the cute type.

>>101850707
You're right. GG streams

>>101850746
Cute retort, but not relevant.

>>101850808
Your micropenis is cute. Enjoy your zero streams!

>>101842819
it's ok another jakarta concert will cheer her up

>>101845080
i thought nimi was broke now can you guys keep your story straight

>>101837291
>>101848156
"Pebble" fag, it's over. Saba beat your Holo anti--I mean Advent wall. Give it a rest.

>>101843433
You say this when vtubing culture is a Japanese export

>>101843160
been saying this since forever, and if you know anything about mori she's a fking piece of shit,
ruined everyone, Gura Kronii, Shiori (hentai character), and now CCGG is going to be ruined by her

>>101842637
She won't graduate, Mori is the Elira od Hololive

>>101852096
No one of who is left is going to graduate for a long time, barring someone having a woman moment.
Being a indie is good if you want to be a streamer, but cover gives you opportunities that you won't get otherwise, and someone like Kiara or even Bae know this is as good as it gets for them.

>>101846721
Mori will be fine.
Everyone else is up in the air.
It's funny to watch FWMC try and include EN fans when they keep taking JP specific collaborations constantly because those are the only way for them to 'move upward'. They'll probably do ok too if EN were to really get slapped, because they've built up a chunk of casual JP viewers who check them out sometimes and buy their merch.

>>101819652 (OP)
She should start rapping again. Even if she's bad, she can do cringe freestyles. Do rapping unarchiveds. Was there ever only one of those like 4 years ago? It would fit in with the self-deprecation of the Justice darlings.

Oh she's gonna be fucking seething once Saba surpass her subs account again, kek. But hey HoloEN is finally dying and isn't this what Mori has wanted for years?, she should be happy with this development!, all the shit she has done to destroy it is finally bearing fruits!

>>101821250
Anon they recently had 7 graduations in Hololive because of management disagreements. That was due to Cover upper management and has no connection to Mori. I don't think Yagoo is a horrible guy but he suffers from the typical Japanese CEO mindset in which he allowed HoloEN to almost burn to do the ground before he would even look in that direction. After the grim year of 2022 there was some brief optimism in 2023 but that didn't last long. 2025 is the worst year for EN in terms of employee morale and the feeling that a lot of them are secretly burned out. No one feels like they are really confident in the direction of Hololive.

>>101854113
I alqays find it interesting that people point to Omega, but he was removed by 2024, and people still left knowing he was being kicked. While I 100% believe there was a lot of strife because of him during 2022 and 2023, I still think it's the massive push for more merch (meaning more meetings, recordings, and sponsored streams) whoch a chunk of girls just disliked doing.

>>101854113
I should add that it's not a secret when FWMC literally said during members that they were playing jenga instead of tetris with their scheduling and they felt like the game was about to end. For those who don't know how jenga works, you pull blocks out from lower levels of three-lined blcoks and stack them on top. The tower gets more and more shaky as the foundation gets weaker, and the game ends when a block is pulled to move and the tower falls down.
Not to mention the fact that Kiara, who has always been open about times of stress or unease, has gotten a lot more vocal and forward about being tired when she used to just keep plugging away.

>>101854264
Because corporate damage always has long-term implications, Omega left years ago but Cover and the Holos are still dealing with his fuck ups.

>>101853619
>HoloEN is finally dying
12k

>>101819652 (OP)
I hope her mental situation only worsens

>>101851434
doesn't make my post any less legitemate.

>>101854264
I think most of the EN talents hated Omega, the EN project manager, but he was replaced by late 2022. In early 2023 they did tell viewers of huge changes in EN management and for a brief time they were optimistic about Hololive. Saying it will be a long year sounds ominous and feels like 2022 again.

>>101854335
>FWMC literally said during members that they were playing jenga instead of tetris with their scheduling
With the recent graduation wave 2025 was always going to be a horrible year in terms of employee morale. The big question is whether the decline in morale will be enough to cause more EN graduations in 2026.

>>101855051
real or fake numbers though? the botting problem is ubiquitous now. and then that recent charity with two of the top remaining girls headlining it plus a ton of guests and over 24 hrs... still didn't break any records. so again, were there really that many people watching?

>>101859365
>two of the top remaining girls
mori debuff

>>101859392
you think biboo and someone else could've had a better result?

>>101859365
yeah, they botted the concert seats
retard

>>101861196
>scalpers, and brat scalpers hoarding the rest
Hmm

>>101859355
I think what your forgetting is that most of the older talents mentioned that Advent and Justice were brought on 'with the new focus' and that things had changed on the back end that might have made the others want to move on. We have no idea what's happening behind the scenes, but when I see Cover pump more and more product out at an ever-increasing pace, FWMC talking about how they personally signed up for a lot but got fucked over by Cover adding even more on top of that, and the general 'feeling' a lot of the girls in EN have been giving off (tired, worn down, etc), you really gotta wonder what happened AFTER Omega. Even funnier that the people who graduated did it AFTER Omega was removed.

>Mori and Saba in dramatards minds: two opposing masterminds playing on a board where they recruit others to be pieces on their side
>Mori and Saba in reality: two nervous dorks who just want to make the content their fans enjoy while having fun

>>101861350
Pretty much.
I think the time to start really worrying about something seriously hurting is if someone from advent/justice decides to leave.
When Myth joined, they expected it to be another HoloID with barely any support or work to do beyond a few streams here and there and maybe some music. Promise was likely similar.
It wasn't until a while later when Advent came in that the girls came out the gate completely prepared and knowing how and what they'd be doing in hololive.

>>101861350
3 years contracts on top of that making girls leave, because they don't feel confident commiting for such a long time when various factors are already burning them out.

>>101862120
Nerissa 2026

>>101859425
>think

There's nothing to think of, Mori is a permanent debuff and you can look at any channel and see that any stream with her will have normal or lower views than the channel's average (barring shiori)

Most oldfags dropped her long ago and nothing will bring them back, all her fuck ups are very well documented and no matter how her few hardcore deadbeats try to rewrite history, she's a piece of shit to this very day and the biggest mistake in HoloEN's history.

>>101861350
My schizo theory is that it's a middle manager fiefdom revolt. Omega was removed but all the staff and managers he brought in still run the turf, and more importantly have connections to JP upper management which allows them to circumvent ENs new upper management. They can't openly go against their new manager but they can very easily delay and cause issues with the talent that don't tow their line, and even when forced into doing something, like segregate the homo twitter, they do so while still engaging with the homos and ignoring the girls.
The talents that are getting their projects through are the ones that play ball with the old clique. While we see the talents that left talked about sharing managers

>>101862575
Meanwhile, here in reality...

>>101862575
>absolutely shitter shattered

>>101862605
...HoloEN is dying, all the channels stagnant all while Saba got 1m in less than a week, barely any streams and what little there is is often FOTM shit, with no creativity, no fun collabs, zero chat engagement or holo culture.

>>101862640
>Seething

Just like Mori seeing her dear homos being BTFO

>>101862575
what's the point of pretending you have some data when it's so grossly incorrect, it can be busted in a minute

>>101858127
Your point is as legitimate as your spelling

>>101862812
>/lig/ger
Every time. Nimi 10k floor right?

>>101862818
>pretend I have some data

GO to any channel, Ina's, FWMC, mooms, any and you'll see it's been years with Mori acting as a debuff

>>101862812
anon stumbled from a bizzaro world

>>101862869
see, retard, it's hard to treat you seriously when you bring up Mumei as example when they never had a 1 on 1 collab
that's how easy it's to fucking dismantle

>>101862867
Rent free

>>101862873
The numbers don't lie, you can cope all you want but HoloEN went to have 20k as nothing to now struggle to reach 10k, fucking justice off-collab barely got 13k total for fuck's sake and let's not say anything about their almost nonexistent growth, or Mori's channel for that matter lmao

>>101819652 (OP)
Who's doing those vibe checks though if they meet the new girls long after it's all been done and dusted (by her own previous words)?

>>101862903
>moving the goalpost

That changes nothing though? , but I'm aware you will cherry pick that now to claim "I'm wrong" even though the evidence is right out there in any channel that did a collab with Mori

>>101862933
yeah, the numbers don't lie, HoloEN just sold out their biggest concert to date

>>101862987
it changes everything you moron because it shows you go entirely of vibes and you don't take a moment to confirm your examples
it makes everything you say worthless as fuck because you yourself don't have the ounce of respect required to verify your own opinion
you're no more of a debate partner than a 5 year old

>>101862575
But how does those make her bad person if they are just fuck ups? People make mistakes.

>>101862933
>The numbers
Who cares? You're just a viewer, so why do their numbers matter to you? It's not like you're the one profiting or paying them.
Just shut up and enjoy streams.

>>101862861
>i found a minor spelling error in your post, therefore my point has more legitimacy.
i'd argue my post is even moar legitimet

>>101862575 <--- this brown person mad

>>101854335
Yeah I got that sense but didn't know it was that bad.

>>101868741
They spent all of September to March crying about being so busy and being tired. It was so pervasive that a majority of their solo streams they'd show up with little to no energy and had very little of the spirit or enthusiasm that came with earlier FWMC. Not to mention the cratering of their karaoke stream which were one of their favorite things to do. Can't do that or make music when you've got 10k lines to record for voicepacks that are released every other week.

>>101862575
Mori is their top EN musician and performed before the emperor himself. Who gives a shit about numbers at that point?

>>101869654
Politicians will do anything for some attention nowadays you know

>>101869815
Pretty sure that monarchs don't have to do shit. Attention is guaranteed by bloodline and lasts for the rest of their lives.

>>101862933
>>101848212

>>101842637
I'd rather mori stuck to her guns about never leaving to spite her haters, and that my Oshi graduates alongside the other girls left I like also graduating so that my favorite EN's can just collab together as indies again without her around to ruin collabs ever again.
She can just exist in an empty shell of a branch

>>101871895
I don't get how she ruins collabs anymore. I got that back in her first two years but I think she is fine now.

>>101871988
her humor, her voice, all grating, like nails on a chalk board. The second I hear erb's voice the same thing happens. Instant tab close, waste of a stream.

>>101871895
>>101872102
True. I can handle or even enjoy Mori when she's just playing some JRPG for 4 hours, super chill and quiet. The moment she collabs with anyone, she's the cringiest and most unwatchable vtuber.

>>101819652 (OP)
I don't get her appeal she is like vshojos member haruka who is actually diagnosed autistic.

Has mori done an autism test livestream?

>>101871988
She doesn't

>>101869182
I tuned out once Gura left mentally after Ame left. I knew Bae was having trouble since moving to Japan and Bijou was eating and sleeping badly before moving to Japan. That sucks, I liked FWMO spirt.

deadbeats are still coping about mori becoming increasingly irrelevant huh

>>101862933
>The numbers don't lie, you can cope all you want but HoloEN went to have 20k as nothing to now struggle to reach 10k
This is such a BAFFLING thing to say in the same week where Mori/Biboo did a 24 hour stream that hit a 20k+ CCV multiples times
How are you a numberfag, but can't even fact check your own numbers?

>>101877566
>20k+ CCV
that's fucking pitiful, the mori debuff is still in full swing I see

>>101877566
it's predictably going to cry bots.

>>101877617
>make a retarded argument
>get btfo
>move goalpost
>rinse and repeat
morischizos lol

>>101878227
I'm not even the same guy but go off

>>101877617
>"Ho-holoEN is struggling to pull even 10k!!!!1!!!"
>But they just had stream hit 20k multiple times, in multiple different time zones
>"Ermmm that doesn't count!!! Mori debuff!!! 20k CCV sucks now (even tho I just used it as benchmark for being healthy!"

>>101819652 (OP)
I respect Mori always being on the grind