If Saba tends to get cold feet when under a giant spotlight and wanted to be more low profile, how do you think she will handle her virality now that it's exploded well beyond any indie ever?
Ive been subbed to senzawa since 2019 and I followed gura through her entire hololive career, but I wouldn't say I was ever a big chummie. I just don't really understand the contradictory nature of her actions.
What is she wanting to get from this highly publicized and successful viral marketing? Is she wanting to be a huge internet sensation again or what? I feel like we're just going to get Menhera 2: Electric Boogaloo at the rate she's going.
She has more internet war bullshit surrounding her name and debut week than she ever did in either of her previous renditions and I feel like its going to burn her even faster than it did before.

I just want her to enjoy herself again, but the retards in this hobby just don't seem capable of allowing that.

at this point the "she wants less viewers andn to keep a low profile" thing is clearly not true, since if she wanted less schizos, all she'd need to do would be to collab with some dudes and they'd freak out and leave. It's not like it could get any worse with how deranged some people are about her.

No fucking clue what her deal is, though. Nothing she does seems to make any sense because she refuses to give out any kind of information.

>>101884539
she wants less viewers, not harassment from male vtubers and their "fans"

>>101884539
>No fucking clue what her deal is
Accumulating wealth while doing the least amount work possible

>>101884569
so don't collab with male vtubers. Go show up on a magic the noah video or do a sponsored stream with a random fleshie. Talk about wanting to collab with vinesauce or whatever.

Again, it's not like she doesn't already have antis as bad or worse than you think she'd have.

>>101884592
by spending more money and effort
t. the smartest vt user

>>101884456 (OP)
male collab soon

>>101884613
>Retard has never heard of an "investment"

>>101884613
Staying in Cover was more work for less money since she had to fly to Japan for HoloFes every year, and she had to split her revenue with the company. As an indie, she no longer has to do either.

>>101884641
I too invest by putting all my money in a savings account so i can earn pennies by doing absolutely nothing fr fr

>>101884641
invest in what?
Cover handled all the merch and she didn't even need to stream.
She did zero work and just printed money.

>>101884641
Is that when you dump a 4.7 mil sub account, that's attached to one of the two biggest vtubing companies on Earth, that's also been meticulously propped up over the years to be the face of the English branch of said company? I believe she already achieved passive income status there, and she lit it on fire.

>>101884743
I didn't know Cover was the one that managed the Gawr Gura IP to be as valuable as it is, because of course she didn't do anything. Retard.

>>101884743
https://www.trademarkia.com/sameko-saba-99195148
Saba's goal is to do the same thing, only difference is that nobody can say no.

>>101884817
Yes, anon. They did.
I'm using this to better explain how it's not easier to go indie and suddenly invest tens of thousands into assets and models, have to manage every facet of your career, while also STILL regularly paying people to help keep the lights on because she's about as business minded as an actual fish.
If she just wanted to laze about for free money while doing no work, she'd have stayed put.

We'll have to see if she actually plans on doing any work and what kind of work that is before making any judgements.

>>101884883
>We'll have to see if she actually plans on doing any work
She credited at least like 50 people for various works they contributed to her debut, and worked with Omocat for a merch launch. Who do you think organized all that now that she's an indie?

>>101884539
She's not retarded enough to collab with males

>>101884743
yeah, and the girls get crumbs while cover swims in the money.
ame leaves, doesn't really stream thus giving her little metrics to work with on how life would be outside of the company, no action taken.
fauna leaves, hits big milestones while doing basically the same as before, months later gura leaves. She saw the grass was greener.

>>101884663
But she's more likely to get scammed the moment she shows any ambition

>>101884919
Don't count your chickens before they hatch, anon. I'd love for her to finally get her act together, but it's far more likely for her to take the dooby way and suddenly start having a bunch of "issues" keep her from streaming for months again. Just like she did as Gura, and just as she did before Gura.


Seriously, the only encouraging thing I've heard her say so far is that she's avoiding alcohol.

>>101885045
>he believes her Golden Raspberry Awards for Acting Drunk was real

is she really as 'viral' as /vt/ says?
'cause honestly, her channel NEVER appeared on my yt. sure there are some clips here and there, but not really that much.

she's streaming on youtube, right?

>>101885033
gura and fauna turned in their paper at the same time. she was waiting on ash again to be out before leaving

>>101884780
>Take a 4.7m sub account (which lets be honest, a lot of those were dead)
>Use the publicity gain from normalfags/secondaries seeing the "Lebron of vtubing" is graduating
>Divert that attention gained across the entire internet into eyes on your new persona
>Convert that attention into a newer, healthier subscriber-base (1 million, and growing)
>???
>Profit
She's making money off pretty much the exact same avenues (Membership, Merchandise) except now she owns the IP, doesn't have to split money with/deal with Cover, and (most importantly) isn't at the behest of retarded Japanese laws
It's risky yes, but if it all works out then she'll look like a genius

>>101885123
>ignore the posts about her being on frontpage on an incognito page
that's your algorithms fault retard

>>101884456 (OP)
Let the girl vibe for once. The fame just follows her wherever she goes.

>>101884456 (OP)
>What is she wanting to get from this highly publicized and successful viral marketing?
I'm pretty sure she is dumb and smart at the same time. Based on her comments she probably thought she would get only slightly higher success than Nimi in the same amount of time because to a degree she's also aware that most Indies have a pretty steep drop compared to their original life. Clearly she was underestimating her own popularity. But at the same time she was smart enough to register as an LLC and immediately start working on licensing merchandise. She just wants to stream and earn money from it, but she wants to stream whenever she wants and feels like it. Hence why she's not going to put a stream schedule up.

>>101885486
>But at the same time she was smart enough to register as an LLC and immediately start working on licensing merchandise
I just realized something that could be VERY funny
if Goodsmile decides to do another run of indie western vtuber nendos this year, it'd probably be the ex corpo group now.

I really hoped saba wasn't sucessful because this might push other EN members to do the same. The time for myth and promise is almost up. Seems like the spotlight is all on advent and justice now....

>>101884592
based

>>101885515
Nah, the writing was on the wall for ages. The ones still left probably won't leave. The only one I could've imagined leaving would be Ina and she had that SOAR concert last year so clearly she wants the singing stuff too

>>101884456 (OP)
I don't know why we keep getting hundreds of posts about this. It was clear from the moment she debuted, she wanted talent freedom and Hololive wasn't giving it to her.
I have to assume the people who keep talking in circles about this can't comprehend the revelation that Hololive is a bad company, and they're searching desperately for literally any answer that isn't that one.

>>101884456 (OP)
>>101884539
Did it ever occur to anyone that she is specifically a vtuber BECAUSE of the underlying shyness and issues dealing with people in real life? She was fine in Holo at first, you know, when she didnt had to deal with people irl cause nobody went outside, so no studiostuff etc.
Its probably not streaming itself she had issues with and I also dont think its the attention online that bothers her because that would be fucking retarded.
Its probably the irl part of vtubing through holo that burned her out and made her resent the job and sapped her energy. And I think this was probably obvious to her in 2022 or so when contract had to be renewed. She probably got a huge payout and a massive reduction of minimum hrs/week or month and streaming hours were the easiest to cut, or maybe cutting streaming hours was just her way to complain about how stuff was done. But she wouldnt have come back this way if being well known was her issue. Its not and I dont understand why nobody adds 1+1 together.

>No fucking clue what her deal is, though.
anxiety, selfdoubt, general shyness, insecurity yadda yadda, but not as a vtuber through a screen. Depending on how bad it is it can cause constant physical issues. If you dont need to travel its much easier to nurse those issues, or bandaid them when you need to and if you have to do stuff like dancing in weird uncomfortable stuff in front of japs you barely understand and youre only in jp for a certain amount of time and you CANT take time off and your handlers dont understand your condition or dont care cause jps are retarded about mental health, youre gonna be resentful and overstressed. This specific issue gets worse with age as well.

>>101885824
That's cool and all but what does that have to do with not being clear about whether she wants to grow big or shrink down to a smaller community?
We'll never know the underlying issues if she doesn't actually tell anybody about them. She's so locked up tight that people have to speculate on why on earth she went almost completely radio silent for nearly 3 fucking years.
And now people expect her to stream full time because

>>101884456 (OP)
Obviously Saba knows she can't escape the spotlight if she ever wants to continue her Vtuber career. I think the whole "wanting a low profile" thing was overblown. She had a lot of eyes on her, yes, but also corporate eyes who put restrictions on her. That was her main gripe.

>>101885864
I dont remember where it was said but she did say she had extreme anxiety issues that affect her physically, especially regarding keeping food down and ability to eat. What more do you want her to say?
That being said, Ive no idea how bad it is for her, probably not that bad considering she can at least sing as a vtuber. Its obvious to me cause Ive been walking around with this for a long time, nobody ever gets it if they dont see you day to day when youre still halfway functional.

>That's cool and all but what does that have to do with not being clear about whether she wants to grow big or shrink down to a smaller community?
I dont understand why this matters to anyone, seems a really odd question. I doubt it matters to her if 5000 people watch her stream or 50000 as long as everyone is having fun and it makes her rich? She may be competitive about success, but what does this have to do with her mental health or hololive?

>She's so locked up tight that people have to speculate
you dont have to, she was clearly unable to get holo to accomodate her and she was mad about that, but no matter what or how much she says, you still will have everyone speculating anyway. That being said explaining the cause and the exact effects isnt actually easy unless you wanna go traumadump and if she did that everyone would get mad cause immersion or whatever. Been walking around with this forever as well to a much more extreme level and it took a decade to get the correct diagnosis. And thats not even helpful cause we have no fucking idea how to fix it so if you wanna live a halfway ok life, avoid what triggers this issue.

>>101885687
it's a japanese company it's by default a bad one

>>101886337
Her streams would actually be good if she trauma dumped. Or said literally anything personal about herself. How it would be immersion breaking? Thought everyone already knew she has a body that barely functions

>>101886648
>How it would be immersion breaking?
if shes fully aware of what her issue is then the underlying issue is cPTSD stemming from either neglect or heavy abuse and theres a good chance a lot of those memories are very blurry and thinking about it nvm talking about that stuff in public would be a great way to bite it. You dont want that info available to anyone but maybe your husband and your therapist, and Id suggest to not tell a therapist unless youve known them for a while and trust them enough. Either way, its not really any of our business why she has the symptoms she has and its not like she owes anyone anything.

>Thought everyone already knew she has a body that barely functions
if Im right its not the body thats the issue anon, thats just the fallout.

>>101885204
nta but incognito is not the state of most people's algo
I know I didn't get myth (or niji) at the height of their popularity on some accounts, one of them even anime related
also pretty sure even if you go incognito, google still have a good tracking of your preference

>If Saba tends to get cold feet when under a giant spotlight and wanted to be more low profile
This isn't true though. It's a parasocial narrative made up by internet schizotypes

>>101884456 (OP)
She debuted in a small indie company (pre-IPO) and didn't expect to meet with such a large audience (talking 100k ccv), so it's understandable to be nervous. However, once she found her footing, she discovered that Hololive was very restrictive in what she could say or do. She wants creative freedom and what is best for her idol-pilled community (take Gura's awful rigging for example). She never wanted to be Senzawa again, which should have been obvious because she admitted her old content made her cringe, her dreams have always been music-related and idol-related. The asspulls "I want a small audience" and "I quit because I can't handle the pressure" are false, and you should develop critical thinking skills if you trust everything the BVTM faggot says as gospel. It's typical for a graduation speech to include reflections about your first day of work. Her reasons for graduating were stated explicitly you just gotta stop being a corpo cocksucker.

These limitations, however, are only one of several issues with Cover Corp (a Japanese company). For example, Gura would participate in this sponsored event if she didn't quit: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/hololive-production-cheer-up-in-usa-tickets-1333351362819 and no one in their right mind believes that this is a good look for Cover.

>>101884525
Sadly, fpbp

>>101886966
>her dreams have always been music-related and idol-related
Hololive is the no. 1 company for pursuing those paths, and the other ENs have done more than her on those fronts.

>>101884610
She should collab with kson

>>101887153
pre-recorded auto-tuned 3d isn't what she wants

>>101887301
She could always ask to do it live, Mori, Suisei, AZKi and Sora go live all the time.

>>101887301
She hasn't given a shit about music in 3 years bro.

>>101887301
Somebody didn't watch Sora's last birthday 3D stream (or any 3D event from her)
Gura had the potential to do that but she didn't even bother to do voice training.

>>101884456 (OP)
To make money with the least amount of effort possible.

>>101886966
I think she wants to be her own version of what an idol is and not any idol from either traditional idol, a jp vtuber idol or anything that would be physically and socially as taxing. She's got the act cutesy, sing and no males down so far so she has her tippy toes in but won't go fully into it. My reasoning is mostly because she kinda wants to lean into japanese pop/otaku culture but only on a shallow level and she doesn't really commit into it

>>101885038
>ambition
Lmao that's pretty funny

>>101886255
I think it was a certain group of people trying to force a narrative by repeating the same thing over and over until people accepted it as the truth. It's easy to see who is behind it when you consider it is the narrative that paints Hololive in the best possible light. "aww she's just a shy little bean who couldn't handle being in one of the biggest and most successful companies ever, it's not their fault at all" And then that's instantly disproven by her actions upon leaving Hololive so they're scrambling.

Other thread got deleted, so I’ll post it here:
>>101887413
Because she is a grifter. She wants easy money and doesn’t care about lying or playing a role to get it, but the worst part is that she is not even willing to give attention to her supporters for it, she knows they’ll just eat up whatever bullshit or ghosting she pulls, so why bother? She is lazy, fake, greedy and petty. Appreciate the loli model, though, based.

>>101889097
She said it herself, retard. All the "can't keep the food in" anxiety stuff. If it's instantly disproven by her actions, that's on her.

>>101888511
She wants the weeb version of jp culture, not the actual jp autism. Can't blame her, that's what msot people want even if they do'nt know it.

>>101889275
But she was never a weeb

>>101884456 (OP)
Why didn't she just go back to being Senzawa? Was there a necessity to create a third identity if everyone already knows who you are?

>>101890219
Senzawa is not a shark, wink-wink

>>101890219
Fresh meat doing well probably looks good to the algorithm. Plus it puts another barrier, however weak, between her current incarnation and the drunk and permanently-branded-by-schizos-as-male-collabing past she had as senzawa. That way she can present what she wants to the public, to look good for brand deals and potential newcomers, and to separate herself from her earlier days in general. She wants to filter her fans forward in time through her incarnations, as stupid as that sounds.with how she handles it otherwise.

>>101884539
>>101884456 (OP)
it is simple: she likes the money more

>>101890219
Senzawa brand didn't have any carryover for cazzies

>>101884456 (OP)
At this point the only thing can be doing things that would be prohibited or unfeasable as a Hololive member. Because she didn't lose the fanbase at all.

>>101890655
I'm sick of the *wink wink* aspect of these ex corpos redebuting as indies. I just want one of them to slip up and get the shit sued out of them, I dont care if it's bad optics for the corpo. The fans are the worst about it.

>>101891631
They've all slipped up, noone cares enough to sue

>>101887301
That excuse doesn’t work when we already have examples (albeit very very few) of Holos doing live performances.

>>101891631
>>101892063
Faunimi was on a fucking skate rink first couple streams

>>101891631
will literally never happen lmao even if they outwardly say who they were there isn't gna be a fucking international lawsuit

>>101884456 (OP)
The pressure wasn't from answering to the audience, it was from answering to the managers.

>>101884539
Stop focusing on the audience and consider the other elephant in the room. Simple question of creative control and room to breathe without fear of management criticism or "pointers" which you know she ruminates on unhealthily

>>101884539
She's a terminally online, irony poisoned, hipster.
Anything popular is cringe, and when she gets popular she gets embarrassed.

>>101892436
>hey gura can you actually pretend to give a shit
>AIIIIIEEEEE TEAR IT DOWN BURN IT DOWN

>>101884539
>Nothing she does seems to make any sense because she refuses to give out any kind of information
This also means everything she does can make sense and you're just not informed enough to know why. In this situation you have three options
1. Become informed (not really possible here)
2. Infer information through actions (if she did a big marketting campaign to get the most attention possible then getting attention isn't the problem)
3. Stop trying to figure it out and just enjoy the ride

>>101887301
The only thing stopping Gura to perform actual live is her lack of talent and laziness

>>101893321
>lack of talent
Like that ever stopped anyone. Pekora had one ffs

>>101884456 (OP)
100% money and an easy form of stable income. As Gura she was required to do idol work and normal streams, both of which she figured out she wasn't cut out for. Now she makes a "totally not Gura" model that she can make 100% profits off the image of, doesn't have any obligation to work a required amount, and can rake in sales merch off people nostalgia buying and YouTube boosting the channel visibility inorganically

>>101884456 (OP)
The better question is why so many people are delusional enough to continue supporting her. She was at her peak as senzawa just fucking around for fun and making meme covers and she's been downhill ever since.
Gura isn't even in the top half of most entertaining or talented Holos and shes only as popular as she is from covid luck and people believing shes better than she is because she has high numbers. The only people invested in her are normalfaggots who just like whoever the biggest name is, and the degenerate porn addicts who like the fact that she baits them.
She should have just gone back to being sen if she had any interest in improving, but just like Nimi this is an obvious cash grab riding on the drama that they caused to milk antis and retarded liggers.

It's kinda sad that her whole "want to be an idol" stuff was a lie. Even mega autist Aqua was able to stream more and have a concert before graduation

>>101894308
Aqua actually had an emotional attachment to her work and friends in the company and fans.
Gura became a fragile narcissist who resented everything that made her until she ended up being an actual Holoan. Her entire graduation month was a passive aggressive hissy fit culminating in the most embarassing performance in hololive history in her grad stream.
They should have fired her years ago in disgrace.

>>101884613
NTA.
Her members post currently has 15k likes. Do you understand what that means?
I doubt even 50% of members like posts, which means she probably has more than 30k members. Granted, a sizeable amount of them will probably eventually drop off, but currently, she's likely making more than 30000*5*0.7 = $105000 per month on memberships alone. That's not including adsense. That's not including her omocat merch.
How much do you think her new model and assets cost? Probably only around $20-30k.
In short, you're an idiot.

>>101894799
Nta but that's not the question here.
How many members did she have as Gura? That's not including adsense. That's not including sponsorships. That's not including merch. Without spending around $20-30k.

>>101894799
NTA either, but how many of those memberships are in a strong currency relative to her cost of living like USD, CAD, GBP, or even JPY, and how many were paid for in some worthless throwaway currency, as a gift membership, or both? Not all memberships are created equal. While international membership cost parity has improved, for example ARS memberships for the same level are still roughly 50% of the price of a membership in USD

>>101884456 (OP)
She'll just male collab and cull the retards out.

>>101895391
wouldn't work, those retards don't watch streams anyway

>>101884456 (OP)
>Stream 3-4 days a week for ~2 hours per day to a huge audience
>Sell a shit ton of merchandise
>Make a ton of money
>Coast
She (and Hololive) did the work, now she can be a popular star on easymode and make millions while working 20 hours per week or less.

>>101897558
>>Stream 3-4 days a week for ~2 hours per day
She can, but you know she won't

>>101894965
How big was Cover’s revenue cut? How much time did she have to put into BS parts of her job like pleasing her manager and the CEO?
I don’t think she’s making less with the split. And even if she was, she’s making plenty of money and can now operate entire on her own terms. Be her own boss. Big lifestyle upgrade.

>>101897734
Tl;dr: she's lazy

>>101884539
>No fucking clue what her deal is, though.
Making money

>>101884456 (OP)
it is pretty funny that the person who wants most to be kind of obscure and in her own lane keeps massively blowing up beyond all reason lol

>>101884456 (OP)
If she wanted that she would not have linked her new persona to senzawa dumb shit retard. Never believe what a woman claims. She cares about money little else.

>>101899701
holy fuck you are retarded
>lol
just stfu if you don't understand anything

>>101889212
What do you mean it's "on her." It's an entirely separate issue and never said it was THE reason she left.

>>101905134
>no argument
i accept your concession

>>101884456 (OP)
You've been swayed by misleading stories. Source? Reddit? 4chan? all just cope to explain her leaving their "virtuous" company.
Describing how daunting her debut in front of hundreds of thousands did not mean she regretted it. On the contrary, she says, "I'd do it again."

>>101892816
>1. Become informed (not really possible here)
Why?

>>101884456 (OP)
>What is the goal?
money

>>101897558
>on easymode and make millions while working 20 hours per week or less
which i could do the same, must be reassuring to be able to just perform when you want, on your time, and rake in that cash.

too bad i can't bring myself to try it.

>>101905154
Just like I said, they're trying to pin the blame entirely on her and protect Hololive. Once you realize this simple fact, all their actions and lies click into place and make perfect sense.