Thread 101953865

She had everything.
> Joined a startup at a very young age
> worked hard, convinced chuubas like Suisei and Sora not to quit the company, then during the pandemic Hololive blew up to immense popularity
> probably has part ownership of the company (startups notoriously pay their first employees stock options and stocks rather than cash)
> at a very young age (younger than most of /vt/, around age 21-22, was already at a very high position of power in a billion dollar corporation, the perks of joining a startup early
>probably was effectively second in command in Hololive, the head of all of JP branch, and also expanded to include ENs if you think about her roles as producer, etc
> turned into a semi chuuba too with a 2D model
> then all of a sudden she quit to become a literally-who chuuba that barely earns much money
I don't get it.. why would she leave? She had everything a Japanese salaryman could dream of..

>>101953865 (OP)
She went to her hometown to care for a dying relative.
It was because of the Japanese respect your elders autism.
Since she is back now they probably died earlier than anticipated.

>>101953865 (OP)
She couldn't commute to work and be at work for several hours a day, and still be able to take care of her ill parents. She chose family over work.
This is also why it took her over a year to return to vtubing.

>>101953865 (OP)
She quit because Cover is no longer a small corpo that can do whatever they want. Nodoka will be content with Cover for a very long time because she joined when Cover is already a big corpo, but not A-chan who has seen the transition from start to finish

Even investors can't use Rei reincarnation to blame Cover because they know deep down that they are the reason for A-chan's departure and they can't tell Cover to forget about making profits. Cover is at the point of no return. They can try making the corporation feel more welcoming but they ain't going back to their pre-IPO self, and she knows that

>>101953865 (OP)
If you weren't a jobless faggot or a corporate drone, you'd know exactly why she quit. Try going outside and watching the small company you loved working for bloat and turn into a shitfest.

>>101954013
>Even investors can't use Rei reincarnation to blame Cover
you have too much faith in humanity. investors are unreasonable.

>>101953966
She said to care for her parents and the 'departure of a person she trusted a lot', probably her thing with her parents coincided with her breaking up with a bf or something

>>101953865 (OP)
Tasked with pushing and promoting holostars to no avail. Quit because of depression.

>>101953865 (OP)
In the grand scale of things, it doesn't matter to her, those stock options probably made her a millionaire in dollars at this point. She's living the dream; being a chuuba that literally does it as a hobby and not for the money

>>101953865 (OP)
>she quit to become a literally-who chuuba that barely earns much money
She's making really good numbers so far

She saw that you have to be barely talented and barely entertaining with a png avatar to be fairly successful as a vtuber. Much, much less effort with far better pay

>>101953865 (OP)
>a literally-who chuuba that barely earns much money
Fun fact, she already has more subs a Riona

>>101954106
>Cocks out of nowhere

bro, why are you gay?

>>101953865 (OP)
Seems like Cover reached the point where it became like every other big corporation and "LINE MUST GO UP" became the top priority over anything else.

>>101953865 (OP)
Corporate soul draining

>>101953865 (OP)
>company founders never get disillusioned of what the company they once love becomes after VC and private equity start influencing it
lol

>>101953865 (OP)
I wish every COVER LOYALIST a very merry JOB AT A JAPANESE CORPORATION

>>101954106
Could've been a manager, producer, admin staff, or talent. Sometimes it's just time to move on and any excuse will do.

>>101955046
Which one is the bf?

>>101954917
>after VC and private equity start influencing it
I'll never forgive Voice Chat for influencing it.

>>101954864
That was their demise since day -1 or so, sadly.
The way Cover was founded made them obligated to go public the moment they grew big enough for it. And from that moment Cover became just another company controlled by shadow council of out-of-touch investors.
The flaw that will kill Hololive is older than Hololive itself and cannot be dealt with in any way.

>>101955158
NTA, but in this context VC clearly means venture capital.

>>101953865 (OP)
She's staff. She didn't graduate.

Cover is a tech company run by dumb boomers.
Hololive was started in a garage by Sora and Achan as a tech demo and was never meant to become an entertainment company. But Cover owns it, so it's still run by dumb boomers. Achan probably got some nice money out of the ordeal but she wasnt a part-owner

People keep crying about investors while Yagoo is still the majority shareholder and is doing whatever the fuck he wants, spending on shit like holoearth and homos etc.
It's more fundamental than that, the company has changed because it grew and went into mainstream. Because that's what they wanted - Yagoo, A-chan, most girls. To earn money, to become famous, to do concerts at Budokan etc. This change comes with the territory. Doesn't matter whether it's a public company or not. Could have stuck with talent freedom and be another 774 inc., phase, aogiri fucking high school whatever (not that familiar with small corpos).

>>101956000
Weird angle. Hololive was started by Cover as a tech demo. Sora was hired for it. Her personal circumstances of being in the garage are kinda irrelevant.

>>101956190
The point is Achan and Sora were part time employee slave bitches, not founders with equity. Maybe at some point they were offered some but I imagine it's much less than people here expect

>>101956236
That is true. Just phrasings like "Hololive was started by Sora and Achan" are the reason some retards think they are some kind of co-owners.

>>101955121
Someone in stars.

>>101956844
Gamma.
Because it has to be someone you know. In a 500+ staff company. Wtf is this retardation?

>>101956236
>>101956423
Holy retard, nobody said about co-owner or equity, the founder here means more like the creator, the reason why Hololive as vtuber group exists.

>>101953983
That can't be correct though. If /vt/ has taught me one thing, it's that every action a vtuber does that isn't stream is taken with deliberate spite and malice towards its fans. What you said just sounds normal and sensible.

>>101954106
>>101955121
>>101956844
>>101956995
Actually it was Shinove the much respected homo director, she left somehow soon after him if I remember right so this would actually line up.

>>101957576
>2022/10/31
>2024/06/30
>somehow soon
Because it has to be someone you know. In a 500+ staff company. Wtf is this retardation?

>>101957409
>the reason why Hololive as vtuber group exists
That would also be Cover

>>101957409
Failed idol and her friend aren't the reasons Hololive as a group exists.
It was Cover who made Sora the vtuber. They could have started with anyone else.
Sora wouldn't have become a vtuber andgained big following if not for Cover.

Claiming
>Hololive was started in a garage by Sora and Achan
is jsut plain wrong.

>>101957409
>the founder here means more like the creator
Well, they aren't creators either, retard. Learn English and learn history of Hololive.

>>101957901
>>101958001
>learn history of Hololive.
Ironic coming from an obvious EOP newfag, Hololive was an app not vtuber agency, that's the initial Hololive which was a failure then changed to a vtuber group because the talent (Sora) is more successful than their failed app, do your reps newfag

>>101958063
>Hololive was an app not vtuber agency
nobody claimed otherwise, strawmanning faggot

She was probably working 12 hours a day, 6 days a week with maybe 2 weeks holidays per year.
She was tired and the company has drastically changed since her first year.
She has enough money to retire early in life, invest and take an easier career like streamer.

>>101958120
Then you should've know that Hololive as vtuber agency wouldn't exists if the talent (Sora) is not successful enough or their app is not a complete failure i guess otherwise you're just a retard.

She made a whole damn MV explaining the point, I swear no one on this board even bothers watching anything the girls put out. Cover was turning from a fun creative place into a soulless corporation, she was working herself to death, and it strained her relationship with Sora.
Add problems with her relatives as the catalyst and excuse to walk away, and she's out the door.

>>101953966
>>101954106
Isn’t Korone in a similar situation with her mother? Fucking hell

>>101958001
>Failed idol
Do you confuse Sora with someone else?
>Sora wouldn't have become a vtuber andgained big following if not for Cover.
>>big following if not for Cover.
Are you trying to say she got 100k subs before Roboco debut thanks to the powerful Cover branding as a small startup? Or are you just trying to be a smartass trying argue a moot point?
You reeks of newfaggotery yet you got the audacity to tell other people to learn history, lmao

>>101953865 (OP)
> probably has part ownership
>probably was effectively second in command
>probably
That word is doing a lot of heavy lifting in your argument

>>101958497
Korone doesn't give a shit about family, we already know this.

>>101958595
>Do you confuse Sora with someone else?
I think you are. Unless you actualy belive the schoolgirl lore.

Reminding that Yagoo and Mori suddenly started to follow Vedal, the one who created Neuro-Sama not too long ago. Prepare for your AIslop, holofags.

>>101958595
She got 100k subs thanks to Cover hiring her to do this job.

>>101958773
Nobody said about being schoolgirl tho but there are no story of "failed idol" like Suisei failed idol auditions or ex small idol like Nene etc, so where is this failed idol lore come from? Voices in your head?

>>101953865 (OP)
Where'd you get this idea that A-chan was paid in stock or had part ownership of Cover? Jap companies don't operate by American standards and even then A-chan was brought in mostly to aid Sora. It just so happens that by being the lead girls number one assistant, it seemed she had more influence in the company to outsiders than she really had (coupled with interacting with most of the talents on screen). By the time Cover went public, they were making enough money not to have to award stocks to long time employees.

>>101958882
So you're just trying to argue a moot point, thanks for confirming that you're retarded then.

>>101958882
Just how do you think Cover got her 100k subs especially since they were a noname tech company in an industry that had no set standard yet? She had the equipment and the channel to get a headstart. If anything Cover needed her to grow their vtuber identity..

>>101958665
That’s the most retarded thing you could have said

>>101958979
No, that would be you. I'm stating facts she wouldn't have 100k if Cover hadn't hired her. Somebody else would.

>>101958878
>israel
OH NO NO NO

>>101959005
>he doesn't know

>>101953865 (OP)
woman moment

>>101958944
nta but from her pl who was a va and a small idol

>>101959070
>Somebody else would.
And how do you know this aside from baseless assumption? That's literally a moot point because the answer is only a speculation in the end although based on how there are tons of early vtubers who failed and the fact that Sora hold the record of fastest 100k in Hololive until gen 3 (Noel) suggest that not anyone would be able to do the same when gen 1 and gen 2 despite technically got the advantage of Hololive or Sora branding to be exact even tho the scale is way smaller back then, they don't perform better or the same in that regard. Now kys

>>101959220
VA yes small idol no

>>101959245
>And how do you know this aside from baseless assumption?
That works the other way around too. Overall these alternate history excercises are pointless. Facts are facts - she got 100k subs because Cover hired her to be a vtuber.

>>101959309
reps, I'm not getting banned for this shit

soratomos are almost as retarded as chumkeks, good thing there's not many of them

>>101959360
>That works the other way around too.
Nope, the evidence shows not anyone able to do the same otherwise all early vtubers would've the same success
>b-but technically if she didn't become a vtuber
That's moot point, what if her parents didn't have sex? what if her grandparents didn't born? you can keep going on and on but if Sora didn't become a vtuber then Cover would've gone bankrupt and that's not just an assumption, it's based on the fact that their VR pingpong flopped and the fact that their idea of Hololive as an app also flopped only further proves don't really have it or very lack of experience as a tech company.

>>101958993
Sub bots are a thing you know ? Sora is a nepohire found by a millionaire

>>101959407
She didn't perform on stage like idols, you probably got confused with "idol" word which used in many things like VA idol or even JAV idol

>>101959737
Which fanbase are you from newfag-kun?

>>101959245
>Sora hold the record of fastest 100k in Hololive
And then the record of 31st to 1M in Hololive. Did she lose all of her amazing talent along the way? Or was she just in the right place at the right time at the beginning? What do you think is more likely
>>101959827
>if Sora didn't become a vtuber then Cover would've gone bankrupt and that's not just an assumption
No, it is exactly that - an assumption. Their idea of Hololive as an app kept on living btw, they just completely revamped it's functionality.

cover shills itt really believe hololive blew up because cover was such a highly recognized successful tech company lmao

>>101953865 (OP)
>debuts
>300k subs right out the gate because she wasn't subtle at all (A-chan -> Rei-chan)
>merch will do numbers
>zero bridges burnt so holo collabs incoming
>technical skill level easily lets her basically be JP dooby if she wanted
>also isn't a lazy cunt and will actually steam
I think it's an upgrade

No matter the circumstances, what A-chan did requires a lot of fucking courage. She's not a full-fledged idol or streamer like the other girls, she was a staff member first. There's nothing harder and more mentally draining than quitting an office job in Japan—it's a huge hurdle just to be able to leave. Some places even require you to apologize to every supervisor and manager for 'failing' the company, it's a humiliating experience, and if you try to job hunt later, every single employer will demand to know why you left your old workplace and you'll be marked as a quitter.
You're also usually not spared any empathy from bystanders. I haven’t checked, but I can guess that she’s likely facing a lot of scrutiny from nips too.
Aqua, Shion, Chloe, and the ENs can say they left because of "differences in direction". As a regular office worker, A-chan wouldn't have been allowed to say that, so honestly, you faggots should seriously leave your tribal goggles behind on this matter, and just support her as it is, because no doubt she didn't leave because she is a "grifter" or whatever.

>>101953865 (OP)
>at a very young age (younger than most of /vt/, around age 21-22
retards actually believe that

>>101960097
>>zero bridges burnt so holo collabs incoming
yeah no, you still have one foot in the shill box, that's not happening ever

>>101960170
she explicitly stated she still has very good connections and one of her latest tweets was her own suggestion of a Gyakutotsu
surely that won't all be Nijis and Indies you triple-nigger

>>101960019
>Everything is just luck, it's all in the right place at the right time
You must be very unlucky to have undeveloped brain then, roru

>>101956113
>the company has changed because it grew and went into mainstream. Because that's what they wanted - Yagoo, A-chan, most girls
I find it baffling how most discussions ignore this. They wanted to be idols, the most coporate friendly kind of musical group. The graduates all probably have more elaborate reasons than "it's mainstream now".

>>101960019
>Their idea of Hololive as an app kept on living btw, they just completely revamped it's functionality.
Using your own products because they don't sell isn't exactly "kept on living" lmao

>>101960097
>cover allowing any collabs with ex holo
pfft lol

>>101960119
I don't think anyone has unironically called her a grifter. If anything, Hololive as a whole should be ashamed for neglecting her. Bae is literally following Dooby on twitter, so the holos have no excuse not to do the same for Rei.

>>101960307
>surely that won't all be Nijis and Indies
then she will most likely be forcrd into calling PLs
the issue is that you misunderstood japanese corporate autism, not her desires to do it

>>101960340
>undeveloped brain
The irony. Most of it IS in fact down to luck, go ask any holomem. You just need IQ above 60 to realize it.

>>101959005
le reps

>>101960506
The irony here is you don't realize that if we are just going to brush everything with luck then there is no point in having a discussion, ofc luck is always a factor that just goes without saying, but luck doesn't dismiss someone's hardwork or decisions they made, when people says they are lucky it means they are being grateful and humble, when someone dismiss everything with luck it means they are just lazy making lazy excuses.

>>101959861
that's why she's a failed idol retard
she wanted to be one but failed
Cover allowed her dreams to come true.

>>101961213
JAV "idol" doesn't mean they are singing and dancing on stage, the word idol here doesn't mean they are idol who sing and dance, do you understand now?

>>101953865 (OP)
Both splitted due to different views

>>101961458
Mumei just ragreters

>>101953865 (OP)
>anon discovered people retire from their jobs

>>101960835
Noone is dismissing hardwork, but the reality is that in such highly competitive fields there are always hundreds of people working just as hard or harder than you. Same with talent. Ultimately, success is mostly decided by luck.
You still haven't answered by the way - were Sora's struggles to reach 1M because she stopped working hard? Or did she lose her talent? She was mogged by the same Fubuki, Matsuri and Haachama. Or maybe external circumstances (aka luck) just changed and didin't favor her anymore.
>>101961412
She was literally in an idol group, anon. Why are you arguing about this shit if you haven't even bothered to check it out.

Realistically there was probably more than a bit of investor frustration with her. They wouldn't have approved of someone so young occupying the effective no2 slot at Cover.

But the main reason she left was to be with and care for family.
Since she seems to have a good relationship with them, this is a perfectly fine and good thing for her to do.

>>101962003
Cool story, except she's not that young and was never anywhere near no2 slot at Cover

>>101961674
>idol group
Seiyuu agency is idol group now? Or are you talking about different thing?

>>101962257
ffs また、声優以前は『Girl’s Next R7』というアイドルグループで活動していました。Girl’s Next R7は、2010年にデビューしていますが、諸事情でCD発売前に解散した幻のアイドルです
You really think that Sora with her Saitama Arena dreams never tried before Holo?

>>101953983
it’s so funny how the only person who knows anything about her, probably by just watching her departure announcement, answered this question within minutes and yet the thread has gone on doomsaying about hololive for hundreds of posts. it really is amazing what kind of venomous husks populate this board.

>>101962513
Probably because some watched her debut stream as well and that's not what she said there.

>>101962513
Or you could elevate yourself one layer deeper into cognitive thought and realize multiple things can be true. She have specific reasons to leave and still be generally disillusioned with the direction of the company.

>>101962412
>Saitama Arena dreams
Please put more effort on your LARP, this is embarrassing

>>101962675
*Yokogama arena
Oh no, got me. Does that change anything?

>>101961674
>You still haven't answered by the way
Your question isn't even relevant in the first place, different time era and different circumstances, basically entirely different topic and that's just your attempt to derail the conversation and another attempt to push "luck is everything" "argument" which is just pointless and you can just twist everything into luck, so it's not thanks to Cover it's all thanks to luck.

>>101962863
It doesn't change anything as we already know you're a newfag, just pointing out next time do your reps properly before trying to LARP

>>101962895
>different time era and different circumstances
Exactly. Just like Sora's 100k were the product of time and circumstances. First of which was her being hired by Cover in the first place. Therefore it is incorrect to say she is the reason for Hololive's existence or it's founder.

>>101962987
>we
kys retard

>>101953865 (OP)
>>101953865 (OP)
I watched her latest MV, and what really struck me was how little understanding she seems to have about what it actually means to work, even after spending seven years at Cover.
It seriously gave off that "still stuck in a college mindset" kind of vibe.

>>101963118
>It is incorrect to say she is the reason of Holoilive’s existence
NTA, I was trying to get away from this shitposting but this is bullshit. She is the reason Hololive exists. Yagoo confirmed it in early interviews that they directed the assets they had to Sora’s needs because she proved another way to succeed. The funds they got came from pitching the idea and providing Sora as evidence later on.
So yes, she is the reason it exists.

>>101963118
You really don't get that you don't compare with practically different case then presented it as relevant argument to unrelated case? The relevant comparison are those that's similar or somewhat similar in condition and circumstances therefore as the evidence shows not everyone is able to do the same and how Cover is nothing more than small tech startup with flopped game and idea means Cover don't have the brand power, if anything, if we talk about luck then Cover is lucky they got the right person not the other way around.

>>101953865 (OP)
It's simple anon:
>Goes on break March 31, 2024
>Quits Cover/Hololive fully at the end of June 2024.
>Comes back as an indie Vtuber late June 2025
Obviously what happened is while home looking after family she hooks up with a childhood friend who's grown up nicely and still lives in their hometown and gets pregnant.
(This could also have happened earlier in 2024 and the break is her learning she's pregnant)
>The 1 year gap from June 2024 to June 2025 is half pregnancy half maternity leave
>Now she wants to start working again

>>101963195
>seething because he got outed as retarded newfag
Don't blame me for making fun of your retarded mistake, blame yourself because you don't do your reps properly, newfag

Hello, random passerby, is a-chan like opposite of coco?

a-chan tried to be idol, went staff
coco tried to be staff, went idol

>>101963656
You are the one that was wrong about the idol thing, no matter how many times you say newfag per post. Kys, retard.

>>101963713
She did go idol btw, she said she's not going to do musical activities. Just zatsudans and vlogs.

>>101963767
ah ok, thanks!

>>101963713
Wasn't A-chan always going to be staff but just so happened to become idol (more appropriately talent since she doesn't do idol shit) because she represented the staff to the audience.

>>101963573
It's you who isn't getting it. It's not comparing different cases with each other. It's two instances of comparing "in similar conditions and circumstances". One at the start of holo, second at the start of holoboom. If Sora was objectively more talented and hardworking, no luck involved, she'd be ahead in both cases. And the fact that others weren't able to do the same in their place doesn't mean the wouldn't be able at hers.
Don't know why I bother arguing with you when you can't even English. Keep your delusions, that's your problem. You may accept this as conncesion that you are too retarded to have a meaningful discussion with.

>>101964024
Yes.
But Hololive had also planned OMEGA for that purpose for EN.

>>101964213
>Keep your delusions
It's funny when despite the evidence and many people also said the same, mind you the people here referring to those who actually work in the company such as talent themselves yet this random outsider nobody seems to think he knows better, peak irony lmao

>>101965036
Nta, but you're just proving the "can't english" point further, anon.

>>101965224
Nobody cares I'm not EOP and that's not an argument

>>101963277
Im sorry that you're stuck in your dead end slave career for almost a decade or more

>>101953865 (OP)
>>101953966
Another op and first reply from a samefag anti-japanese schizo trying to gaslight onlookers with his narrative.
A-chan quit because of Cover going to shit. Her MV tells you this much. There was never any sick family.

>>101965908
>anti
>There was never any sick family.
She literally said family circumstances on her debut stream, so you're saying she lied? Who's the anti now?

>>101965286
Your arguments are barely intelligible and you don't understand the replies. What's the point then? Just fuck off to your mudhut.

>>101966057
She mentioned family circumstances. Amongst other things. You're the one lying.

>>101963614
Good for her.

>>101966549
Seems like you're replying just fine, which part you don't understand?

>>101953865 (OP)
She was just another employee and she more than likely had people that were still above her even in the early days, meaning she was never gonna be anything more than a glorified secretary. She's a woman so she was never gonna be given a position of actual importance and power because the faceless old men we don't know about would never allow it and they have yagoo as their main puppet for good PR already, they don't need a woman. Japanese companies don't give women advantages or power beyond just the talents being popular and making money for the company.

That, plus the increased workload and whatever personal things she was going through probably made her leave. She earned the reputation of being that one office lady that did everything because that's literally what she was, she'll be ok, people like her. She can disagree with what Cover is doing now but not entirely hate everyone there, two things can be true at the same time.

>>101953966
not just that she just said in a video the company was changing little by little and she started to lack confidence in her own word when saying this or that things would be done. sound like they were re-arranging things to not box her out but marginalize her somewhat tru delegation

>>101966916
basically she said it was the ol "differences with the company"

>>101966608
>She mentioned family circumstances.
So you're lying then, I never said she didn't said anything other than that

It's funny to see these EOP anti trying so hard to use Eugene for their retarded narrative when you watch her debut being grateful with her previous job and even gives a reminder not to use her and her MV to "criticize" anyone, retards will always be retards but looking at how only these retards only bark in shithole like this place shows that they are not even confident with their own narrative, tbf you must be very retarded trying to use A-chan to "burn down" Hololive when Sora is still in Hololive

>>101958665
Doesn't she like her grandma?

>>101959005
Sometimes there's a reason.

>>101966636
It's the reason that makes the most sense