Yes they are indies by definition of "not working for a corpo", but clearly there is a big difference between these indies and the regular ones

Regular ones built their brand from ground up, whereas these "indies" have a cheat code that give them extra headstart. If Saba debuted as Saba without being a Holomem beforehand, she would be half as popular as now or even worse, and the stats are even lower for the rest if they didn't join Holo beforehand

So putting them on the same field as other indies feels unfair for the ones who don't have an established fanbase on the fly and discouraging for the ones who have to spend years to have even half the size of Nimi fanbase

excorps/grifters

nobody cares about your 2view since half of you retarded indie watches try to gatekeep to keep your retarded parasocial relationship alive.

but they did build their fanbase from the ground up
they were all normal vtubers before joining holo and then left its not like they spawned there
if you want your 2view to be more popular tell her to get into holo

>>101985632 (OP)
Dokibird didn't choose to become an indie. She was literally terminated and denounced as a person by her old boss.

Senzawa was popular already. If she hadn't graduated the girl behind her would have died of alcohol poisoning though

>>101988727
In the spirit of the LBGT thread we should have ANOTHER classification of this sub group as well. fuck off op

Both holodrones and indiefags appear to believe that I care about indie Avengers, but in reality I support my oshi because she is my kami oshi and she is that good, I don't care about upholding any value. If my oshi helps any 2views, that's cool, however my belief remains that they should get a real job instead of gambling with VTubing.

Nimindie

>>101988727
she still wanted to graduate

>>101989309
Fuck off from excorpo thread, ligtrash.

>>101989570
What the fuck are you on about nigga? why would I visit that holodrone thread that supports a bunch of nasty whores. My oshi has class, period

>>101986596
>but they did build their fanbase from the ground up
>if you want your 2view to be more popular tell her to get into holo
So you literally proved my fucking point?

>>101989970
Did i hit your nerve, ligtard. Go back into your trash thread >>101985197

>>101988727
And she chose to grift off the identity Nijisanji gave her and had her team of faggots shill her post termination on her Niji channel

>>101989970
Excorpo only, ligger fuck off.

>>101985632 (OP)
there's not, no one cares, you are not special

>>101990167
how is being a holo member not building their fanbase from the ground up? if they were really completely shit then they wouldn't be hired and if they did manage to be hired they wouldn't have many viewers
think about the average holo ID girl, do you really think that they would get the same views as saba if they left? no, they wouldn't

>>101991196

>>101995859
>A grifter is more of a general term for someone who uses charm and deceit to manipulate others for personal gain, often through more opportunistic and less structured means.

>>101995887
which doesn't apply in this context, which means you used it incorrectly.

>>101985632 (OP)
They made HoloEN.
It's Cover trying to take all the credit.

>>101995918
Saying Doki isn't manipulative is like saying BPD menhera aren't manipulative

>>101986596
CookieSwirlC doesn't have this problem

>>101996304
HOLY KEK COPIUM
only senzawa there who actually pull her own weight(and yet she chose to return as "shark daughter")
other is literally who in vtubing

>>101985632 (OP)
You forgot to add Pippa, you are welcome

>>101999007
Gura literally said Ame encouraged & taught her about streaming.

Holo gives you a boost, but ultimately it's still up to your ability to gather a crowd. Some keep losing viewers over years, most stagnate beyond their 3rd or so month in the company, only select few seem like they are actually getting more popular over time. Even lower end is still 4view, way above 99% of vtubers, but if let's say Shiori graduated tomorrow, do you think she would generate as much buzz as other graduates?

>>101999466
Yeah, case in point was Sana, she had way too niche stream ideas that flopped and she never got popular despite getting that "golden ticket"

>>101985632 (OP)
One of those had more subs then they did in holo. The other had almost a million subs before holo.

>>101985632 (OP)
>If Saba debuted as Saba without being a Holomem beforehand, she would be half as popular as now or even worse
Senzawa had like 900k+ before Holo. That's why they hired her. If she was half as popular she would still be twice as popular as your average ligger.

>>101985632 (OP)
>Yes they are indies by definition of "not working for a corpo"
So, they're indies.

Get over it Holofags, it won't kill you to say that you like an indie vtuber.

grifters

>>101999052
>Bro thinks he's on the team

>>101999052
The pippa addition will always be funny