It’s better to go indie than join a corpo, they said. The indies:
https://x.com/WhoisMonia/status/1940622868595069268
https://x.com/demenishki/status/1940389232809566265

they are both technically right, doing everything yourself is a high workload but the reality is that most streamers do NOT do everything by themselves and have hired help at every corner (and that's not even talking about the superstars that literally have an army of butlers)
Even the "poorfag 1view" that can't afford no editor has a boyfriend to slave all the tasks for in exchange for a blowjob
So yes streaming is piss easy and they try everything in their power to gaslight viewers into thinking their job is hard

based flip woman

>>102102006 (OP)
Is she really disabled or just using victimhood trend?

>>102102006 (OP)
All this means is deme has experience working a real job in the real world and the other bitch doesn't. Streaming is easy. There are some parts that are "work" and not fun but those are way easier than any other normal job.

>>102102006 (OP)
streaming is piss easy

being good at streaming is hard unless you're incredibly lucky

>>102102006 (OP)
Deme sounds like a Catalog seether. I bet they're here.

>>102102006 (OP)
>PLEASE FEEL BAD FOR ME I ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO STUFF SOMETIMES
god just shut the fuck up already or go get a labor job. So sick of people playing video games for a living crying about their life being so hard while they're financially supported by people working actual jobs. Instant turn off.

>>102102006 (OP)
>But doing it all solo?
You mean... like Deme?

Also, of course, yet another episode of "literal who tells successful vtuber what the job is actually like"

>>102102006 (OP)
>You’re marketing yourself,
all the marketing you need is twitter and word-of-mouth
>engaging with your community,
this doesn't feel like a hassle if you like your fans
>handling biz relationships,
unless you're really big, this can't possibly amount to more than 2 emails per month
>editing for shorts,
hire or groom a clipper
>planning your next move…
the only thing you need to plan is a realistic schedule
>NO. It is hard for some.
maybe if you have autism/adhd, in that case you would still do worse in a real job

you don't have to do everything all by yourself, just like no one expects you to make your own model or assets.
one of the big draws of this community is that a lot of people can participate in some form to bring the vtuber to life. you need illustrators, riggers, 3D modelers, video editors, audio mixers, managers, etc. it's a full ecosystem

>>102102006 (OP)
Both are kinda right but from different perspectives
One is the one that has found success and the other one doesn’t. Sometimes in life people just have different luxuries than you do, that’s life. It is astonishing the level of hoops Vtubers get into because none of them have worked a single day of their life on stuff like an cooperate job.

Although L for blocking

>>102102006 (OP)
Too many people want to LARP as a corpo when they should be treating it a a hobby at least at first.

>>102102006 (OP)

>>102102006 (OP)
It really all depends on what you want to do as a streamer.
If all you want to do is sit on your butt and stream games/chat, then yes being a streamer is easy af.
If you want to dabble in music/covers, that will take a bit more effort.
Conventions? A bit more effort.
Merch? A bit more effort. (Or a lot, if you happen to be a big streamer with thousands of orders to fulfill, which at that point it's best to get a team to handle that for you)
If it's too much to keep up with, either hire someone else to handle it for you, or just don't do it.

>>102102657
Her knees were really unstable so she was wheelchair bound for some time. She said it's better now but no strenuous activities.

>>102104093
>luck out and join a corpo
>play games for a few years
>quit
>somehow you are an expert on the field now
vtubing is such a fucking joke

>>102102006 (OP)
Didn't this bitch just leeched off some popular fleshstreamer? Same reason Shoto got popular, dude leeched off Luxiem

>>102104769
>ignoring the fact that she was an indie who streamed, made merch, and drew art on commission for other vtubers, while also constantly reaching out to indies during her tenure.

>>102104093
Networking is code for leeching btw

>>102102006 (OP)
Deme is right, streaming is easy, that seething girl Monia didn't refute her argument, instead she claims that streaming is hard because of a bunch of things unrelated to streaming
You may claim that those unrelated things are needed to become popular or make more money, stay relevant, etc.
But becoming a successful streamer is not what is being discussed, what is being discussed is the act of streaming itself, after all it is likely that there are people with really unfortunate lives struggling, obviously they would have a harder time doing anything

My oshi streams 50% less now as an indie. For double the pay with no more corpo cut.
https://youtu.be/PjBF-wFs12I
I can't blame her but it makes me sad.

>>102102006 (OP)
>https://twitchtracker.com/whoismonia
>Literal 2view
>"Handling biz relationships"
What business?
>"engaging with your community"
Saying hi on discord every few days isn't hard
>"editing is hard >:("
skill issue
>"planning your next move"
nigga, just go live. Why the fuck are you making plans? Nobody is watching you

>>102102683
Streaming is easy, FOR WOMEN
For men it's legitimately 'Be godly at games or stand up comedian tier'. Sometimes both, then maybe you make half the money a female streamer does just exist.

>>102105628
How many viewers did she have before nijisanji?

>>102102006 (OP)
a job can simultaneously be difficult while being very fun and flexible, I don't know why people have a hard time with this basic concept.

>>102104093
I can't believe this shit is real

>>102102006 (OP)
>vtuber complaining about how hard streaming is
>look inside
>2view
>Streamed 10 times in the last 3 months
>Tweets 18 times a day on avg
kill every single vtweeter

>>102103266
Three of the bullet points were just streaming. You can tell this bitch is at least good at bullshitting on her resume.
>>102104093
Networking is code for getting all your holes filled at a streamer party by the way.

>>102102127
God I wish I had a slave boyfriend instead of doing all this bullshit myself
t. poorfag 1view

>>102107570
I’m curious about the answer to this as well.

>>102104093
>>102104769
>>102105720
>>102107766
>>102107938

>>102106185
she is right about that, but she went about it the wrong way.
>blocks opposition so there's no discussion
>copyright strikes videos about it
and from what i hear, this problem is common among filipinos, shutting down your opposition and shitting on them relentlessly. it's basically asian version of blue hair behavior at that point.

>>102107472
this. and vtubing makes it even easier, they don't even have to shake their tits or asses anymore. they can just literally bitch and complain like women tend to do, and people will still pay them for it.

>>102104093
god I hate her stupid fucking face .

>>102107472
plus if you want to lorefag with a vtuber persona you could just...draw your OC

>>102102006 (OP)
>marketing yourself
>engaging with your community
>planning your next move
arent those...normal stuff? no way, you tweet! you read chat! you'll play the next FOMO!
>biz relationships
most people are never getting one to begin with, unless replying yes to a deal where you put your character on a sticker counts
>editing for shorts
the only valid answer here and even then, its not that big of a deal when her content is just cutting herself talking and adding subtitles or just dancing (moving left and right) for 10 seconds
>>102104093
make this in paint and this would fit right in on a piratesoftware video

>>102102006 (OP)
awesome, more pointless vtuber drama.
i like deme, there's literally no reason for hate either girl.

>>102102006 (OP)
But this is well known. Many ex-corpo were happy about their time in corpo, even for small corpo and even if corpo aren't perfect. People consume so much drama about corpo and believe that everyone corpo is bad and indie is always better. If indie life is always better, why are there candidates lining up whenever a corpo have auditions, even unproven ones

>>102102006 (OP)
I'm pretty sure she missed the point. Deme said that growing as a streamer is hard, but once you've been lucky enough to have a stable viewership in the high hundreds to thousands it becomes easy, since you start earning so much you can outsource a lot of the work.

>>102102006 (OP)
deme another flip

kek!!

I mean deme is a vapid reaction whore and the other bitch is lazy so I guess they are both right.

>>102107472
Women didn’t even make the top ten most viewed streamers until vtubing became a thing. People don’t watch women with sincerity, they only watch if they’re putting out. Thus why whoring is the only option. Literally forced to do that or be stuck as a 3view.

>>102109730
Not bad, not bad, honestly
Those stream hours are straight dog SHIT but she basically averaging a modest but respectable 95 CCV

>>102102006 (OP)
“No one wants to hear a streamer saying how hard it is." - Asmongold
Asmongold emphasized that while it’s human to complain, streamers should be mindful of their audience’s perspective, as many viewers face harsher realities.

>>102109730
This woman's amazing

>>102113276
3view is good though

>>102109730
>29/Apr/2021
>+36.5k followers
>No raid
Hrmm...

>>102102006 (OP)
streaming is so easy I wouldn't even consider it a job.

>>102102006 (OP)
what a dumb bitch 'omg playing games so hard' like does she really think she's going to get sympathy here?

>>102104093
fuck you Doki

>>102115559
Yay !! Then I should hear no more complaining ever again. Problem solved desuuuu

>>102116837
for a woman. you don't need a personality or anything interesting other than a pretty avatar to gather an army of simps who will associate you with said avatar and get attached to it.

>>102102127
>literally an army of butlers
... lazy ones who constantly get in the way of things instead of doing their jobs. You know, if Rei-chan's MV, Bae's 20+ tanked projects-induced panic attack, Fauna and Moom getting shafted on It's Not a Phase, Moom never getting her 1m wish 3D Emomei outfit OR her Nendoroid, Kronii getting ghosted on perms, Kiara getting disciplined for asking for karaoke perms, Gura having to fight tooth and nail for her daki/getting Full Color and the schoolgirl ASMR etc. binned, and on and on and on and on is any indication.
Add on yearly fes travel, dance and singing practice, and so on and it's apparent that the corpo makes it somehow a million times HARDER than being a solo indie. Hence the "all the exHolos are just uhhh... I know, they're lazy!" rrats being obvious weapons-grade cope.

>>102102683
This desu. I personally find all that stuff fun, but then again I like playing time and resource management sims and I'm only a small chuuba.

>>102103255
>seething wagie hands typed this
wagecucking isn't a real job retard

>>102118600
Neither is being unemployed, NEETchama

>>102102006 (OP)
>have a retarded opinion and get blocked
>hurrrr durrrr why do you not want to read my nonsense
Kill yourself

>>102103266
>Deme
>Not a Literally Who
>Ignore the fact you could use this exact logic against Deme by pointing out she has no fucking clue what it's like to be a successful 5view
kek, I bet if I brought up SmugAlana shitting on retards /here/ for not knowing what the fuck they're talking about when they cry about Hololive being "the easiest job in the world" you'd sidestep her objective success metrics with excuses like the "dramagrifter" cop-out

>>102118742
Unfortunately I'm a wagie loser like the rest of you.
Largely because I'm not a fucking idiot and realize that streaming would be way, way harder in every meaningful sense.

>>102102683
Unless you work an hourly wage job, office work is the easiest thing in life.

You can literally coast, collect a pay chque, and stay where you're at. Or you can be normal, put in minimal effort 9-5, and get promoted every few years. You only get anywhere if you try hard and work around the clock -that could mean networking too.

School was much more difficult.

>>102118919
3K CCV and nearly 300K followers is not "literal who" you seething faggot
>I bet if I [schizo hypothetical]
How about you focus on the things that are actually happening instead of the things you imagine might happen if you did the things you're too chickenshit to do

>>102118919
>35 average viewers
I'm sorry but that is literally a "literal who" by any metric. Deme has at least somewhat of a following

>>102106185
>counting failure as "doing a job"
lol, sorry anon, but this is really weak sophistry. Succeeding is always implicit when we talk about "doing a job", otherwise every job is easy because you'd still be counted as "doing" it no matter what.
Monia is 110% correct with a 10% margin of error, her refutations stuck and she won the argument, and you have no answer.

>>102119143
>This random 4view you've never heard of is not a Literally Who because *insert cope here*
You don't know what the term "Literally Who" actually means or anything about its origins, do you
>hide from the argument and pretend raising a so-called "hypothetical" isn't raising the point contained in the hypothetical
>because he has no refutation
Answer the question, Anon. Stop being a scared little bitch.

>>102119223
Where did I say anything about Literally Who 2 not being a Literal Who?
And more importantly, what does that have to do with the topic at hand?

>>102119393
>Literally Who means whatever I want it to mean and it doesn't matter if someone is demonstrably popular
You've never heard of her because you're a stray Holofag who only knows what's within the garden walls
>Answer the question
You didn't ask one

>>102119454
>fanfic excuses and strawmen
Not your holodrone bogeyman, you're just a subhuman /lig/ger who incorrectly assumes your arbitrary popularity thresholds are rooted in fact rather than feelings.
>You didn't ask one
Dodging the question because he has no defense against Alana shitting all over Deme, like clockwork.

>>102119603
No, I'm just saying you're telling me to answer a question that was never asked.
You posed a hypothetical and I am under no obligation to play in your fantasy world.

>>102119603
NTA There's no need to defend anything
Anybody who brings up SmugAlana as if she's anything positive is immediately wrong and their right to having an opinion is rescinded.

They're both right.
The act of streaming is easy.
Growing as a streamer can be difficult.

>>102119646
Trying to be cute won't change the fact that you're dodging the question like a pussy.
Not that I care for your answer, I know you don't have one. Just funny to watch retards squirm.
>>102119668
>denialism and copouts
Was there ever any doubt

>>102119746
>seriously expects anyone to argue with him in good faith after he busted out Alana
Maybe you should try Pippa or Kirsche next time. I'm sure that'll get you much more serious replies!
>>102119715
Hush, this is /vt/. Reasonable takes aren't allowed. Pick a side and start screaming.

>>102119746
Anon the truth is I literally have no idea what Alana said about this, if anything at all
And frankly I do not care, and it's not really that relevant to begin with

>>102119780
>>102119803
>more excuses and copouts
Enough anons I can only accept your concession so hard

>>102119853
The conversation was about Deme's statements versus Monia's.
For reasons that escape me, you decided to bring up an entirely different scenario about Alana shitting on /vt/ posters

What, exactly, am I supposed to do with that?

>>102119803
It's fascinating, really.
Someone barges into a conversation, tries to make a "gotcha" point using a person nobody (who isn't braindead) likes, and then declares themselves the winner because nobody else has watched said disliked person.

>>102108033
hey x

>>102119895
>what am I supposed to do with that
Apply your logic consistently to conclude that Deme doesn't know what she's talking about because >numbers numbers numbers
>>102119923
Have you perhaps considered using fifth grade context clues to work it out from the description that was so helpfully provided, or is your melanin count too high for such intellectual feats?

Damn, thread is chock-full of NIJISEETHE for some reason...
>someone posted Doki
Oh, yeah, that's right.

>>102120010
>Apply your logic consistently to conclude that Deme doesn't know what she's talking about because >numbers numbers numbers
Once again you're just assuming I would say XYZ when I haven't said a damn thing like that

And again, I don't know what the fuck this Alana shit is even about. I don't know what she said, and you've never specified, so I have no opinion about it.
Simple as.

>>102120027
>streaming isn't hard they're just LAZY
>yaaas flip qween slaaaayyyy
Smells more like Holopag to me

>>102120010
>still thinking anyone will take his retarded case seriously
That's pitiful, anon.
Very fun to watch, though.

>>102120097
>No I cannot use context clues or inference skills
>I can however play dumb
Perhaps a bit TOO simple.

>>102120146
You've already conceded anon, you can go now. Go on, shoo.

>>102120160
You don't even know what context clues mean
If you were capable of recognizing context then you'd understand why bringing up Alana was a complete non sequitur and entirely irrelevant

>>102120098
Who the fuck are you quoting? Take your meds.

>>102120190
But why go? You're so fun to listen to.
I'm sure if you keep stroking your dick enough times, you might even believe you made a logical point!

It's all relative isn't it. Obviously being a streamer is easier than working on an oil rig or in a mine or some shit, but it's definitely harder than being unemployed and living on government benefits, or coasting by on generational wealth. Like what are we even talking about here?

I'm blocked by the whiny bitch one without ever having interacted lol

>>102120248
>doesn't understand context clues
>ackshually testing your logic using a counterexample is a "non-sequitur" another term I don't understand
>because... just because okay!
Anon, this would be like if you said:
>all liquids are poisonous because drinking pure mercury will kill you
And I replied:
>that logic doesn't work, water won't kill you in healthy quantities and it's a liquid
Only for you to say:
>hurrr no one was talking about water we were talking about mercury
Of course you weren't talking about the counterexample to your imbecilic argument. That's why I brought it up, because it proves you wrong. That isn't a non-sequitur, that follows PERFECTLY from the logical thread of the conversation. This is elementary logic and rhetoric, holy shit.

>>102120641

>>102120775

>>102120282
>who are you quoting
The Deme dickriders? Who do you think?

>>102120339
>working a job is harder than not working a job
What a comparison.

>>102102006 (OP)
yeah no shit, the current meta is you get into like hololive or niji, stream for 2 years and then go indie with your fans.

>>102120944
Yeah and plenty of people get by just fine not having a job. To those people, being a streamer would be hard. To the people working 12 hour shifts in the mines being a streamer would be easy. That's literally my point, it's all relative. There's a million other comparisons I could make, but those are the ones that I used deal with it

Doing any job as a full time student is insane
Well, provided it's not a meme program

>>102121024
I know what you mean, but the point is that streaming is definitely on the easier side of jobs.
The barrier of entry is the lowest there is - have a working PC and an internet connection. You don't need higher education of any sort.
Zero physical requirements, especially for vtubers that don't even have to maintain a good camera appearance.
The only downside could be mental health, but that comes with any life event if you're not stable.

>>102107472
I don't watch many male streamers but I keep hearing about/having youtube push people like asmongold, hasan piker, and moist critical. The few clips I've seen of them are either the most lukewarm braindead takes ever said on video or just them reacting to shit, by which I mean they look at a screen while a video plays making this face :| the whole time. Then you've got people like DSP and Boogie. None of these people are funny nor interesting nor good at games.

You remember how in the mid-late 2000s you had people like Jersey Shore and Big Brother types who just wanted to be famous for the sake of being famous, and they had absolutely no talent outside of working the system to get attention for themselves? That's what it takes to be a (successful) streamer, male or female. It's working the algorithm and researching how to get as much push and attention as possible. They are professional attentionwhores. This is also why they say it is hard. Ask any narcissist what it's like being a narcissist and they will tell you its exhausting. Same shit here.

>>102102006 (OP)
Stop posting and start streaming, Monia

>>102121024
Ye but if we go down that route then anyone can complain about anything and their complaints are completely valid because everything is relative and then everything is permitted because everything is relative and then society collapses. That's why we have standards, and one of those standards is if you sit on your arse all day clicking buttons and going gooby poopy cock jokes for a few hours you have it pretty easy.

>>102121226
>The barrier of entry is the lowest there is - have a working PC and an internet connection.
also some sort of personality or interest/hobby people would want to listen to/about. a streamer's just an online entertainer, so you need to be able to entertain people.

>>102102006 (OP)
This is what the vibe check is keeping out of the walled garden btw

>>102121226
Idk maybe it's on the easier side on a grand scale if you account for every job that exists, but there's still plenty of jobs I can think of that are easier than being a streamer. Overall I just don't get this whole argument over whether it's objectively easy or hard or whatever, that's more subjective to the person doing it. What I will say is the people that find it easier will probably find more success as a streamer than the ones that find it difficult. The audience can tell if the streamer is having a good time or not, so if someone thinks streaming is hard they probably won't make it as a streamer. Either way the majority of this thread is retarded

>>102103266
Nice tits

>>102121380
Anyone CAN complain about anything though, do you even talk to people? You hear people complaining about the most mundane shit constantly

>>102121269
Holy seething 1view
Maybe if you took the effort you put into this /vt/ essay and used it to develop an actual personality and talent you would have more viewers

How 'bout multi-millionaires? How 'bout 8 inches and thick? How 'bout talented? How 'bout loving and respectful? I lost my wife 10 weeks ago, 21 years faithful. My daughter committed suicide 3 weeks ago, 13. She was faster than me at 12 and I run a 6-minute mile. My testimony, I'm nothing but pure, and I ask you if you wanna be on a YouTube channel, and you like scrawny guys.

>>102121382
>>102121514
Yeah, I was commenting on the effort needed to be a streamer not on what it takes to be a very successful one.
Obviously naturally funny and charismatic people will have an advantage, but those are inherent traits rather than learned skills.
At least I've personally never seen someone that was dull and boring and then suddenly grew into a super charming enternainer.

>>102102006 (OP)
Meh this can go both ways, I don't see much to be mad about. Deme for example speaks from perspective of survivorship bias, she won the streamer lottery and is part of sub 0.1%. So she can just always use the formula that worked for her and not think any further until everyone gets tired of her content, if she's unprepared for that she'll get wrecked. But yeah she of course enjoys what she doesso obviously it's also easier for her due to that.

Having it easy is not true for most people going into streaming IMO though if being successful is something thay matters to them, they're stressing out by trying all they can to get noticed and keep head above water (fool's hope indeed LMAO), and eventually nothing works, regardless of effort. So they have to give up and keep dealing with their normal job.

>>102121688
Denying reality doesn't alter it. Feel free to explain to us the many merits and talents of Ironmouse and Zentraya.

>>102121651
And that's why we should have standards and call those people losers, otherwise everything is permitted and society collapses.

>>102121749
What did he mean by this?

>>102104093
God this model was so much better what was she thinking

>>102122078
>explain these vshitshow hacks who have nothing to do with your argument
No thanks, I'd rather talk about reality than your deflections, denial and fanfics

>>102122202
The reality is they're two of the most popular vtubers and they got there despite having 0 talent outside of narcissism. You're the one coping because you think your oshi is special and she got where she is because she's a shining sparkle of sunshine when in actuality it's because she (or the corpo backing her) knows how to play the game. You speak of reality yet refuse to acknowledge it. Eat shit, loser.

>>102118919
>mentions a /pol/tuber and antis Hololive in the same post
kill yourself phasecuck

>>102120865
Im glad you are at least making up friends to talk to. Your mother has been so worried it has stared to affect her mood in bed

>>102122250
>Gura/Saba "played the game" by going radio silent for two and a half years
>Mumei/Shachi "played the game" by retiring completely, that's why her thread is still active and full of dedicated hoomans two months later
>Fauna/Nimi "played the game" by, uh... she just DID okay!
Yes anon, the problem couldn't possibly be with you. It's just that EVERYONE ELSE is an opportunistic number-hungry grifter. Talent and personality have nooooothing to do with it. Whatever keeps your ego intact.
Now go slurp diarrhea water from your holy river with the rest of your village and spare us your presence.
>>102122375
>anti exHolos or else you're affronting the honor of my precious corpo
Truly corpofluffers who oshi brands are the must insufferable posters on this board. Not watching your Phase whores, either. Fuck off.

>>102122471
>not even a threadreader
At least I know who my father is, pagpag

>>102122741
Nigger your examples were backed by the largest vtuber corpo in the world, all three of them were playing the game by the very act of joining, you're only proving my point you incompetent retard.

>>102122912
>it can't be that they just joined the blue dorito for other reasons
>they MUST have been playing my faggy, nebulous "game" bogeyman
>ignore that none of them actually bothered to play the game
>and yet they still retained their respective loyal followings long after they fucked off
>i-i-it still counts
Holy mother of goalpost shifting.
Speaking of incompetent retardation, you're conspicuously overlooking the fact that kson lost most of her audience and faded into relative obscurity. Didn't she also "play the game" as much as those other three by being Coco? What about Ame, Shion or A-chan?
Hmmmm, it's almost like there's more to it than your cynical, infantile cope model would suggest...

>>102123143
kill yourself windy

>>102123143
>faded into relative obscurity
Kson got to play a starring character in her favourite game franchise off the back of her career as Coco. And she has more money now than any one person can spend. Yes, she absolutely played the game, and won. Shion retired explicitly because she felt like she wasted her youth working for a company and building a brand. Nothing you are saying argues against any point I've made. I don't think you even understand the point, you're just salty at the idea that your oshis have some business acumen and didn't magically become famous through the power of their soul or some shit. You're a fucking idiot.

>>102123324
numbermonkeys only care about ccv, nothing else

>>102123324
>she played the game and won
Then apparently your "game" has nothing to do with popularity, which was the topic of the conversation, you incorrigible, dysgenic, drooling, crayon-chewing braindead fucking chimpanzee.
My point, from the start, has always been that "business acumen" means precisely jack shit if you don't have some sort of talent, personality, skill or other USP to give it substance and staying power. Hence, my mockery of that one anon who was pretending that being a big/successful streamer, male or female, takes no talent besides being an attention whore and researching how to farm engagement - because it's obvious cope and the reality isn't nearly that simple.

>>102102006 (OP)
Being indie doesn't mean you aren't a corp. As soon as you make 2-3 hundred bucks a month you start your corp and hire a russian to make your clips.
Here is a free tip. DON'T give them access to your channel, let them have access to a cloudserver and run a script that will upload anything on that server to your channel. Mew2Kings "editor" just went rogue and deleted everything because he had access to it.

>>102123424
>talent > numbers and engagement farming
>"sounds like something a NUMBERMONKEY would say"
kill yourself

>>102123444
>My point, from the start, has always been that "business acumen" means precisely jack shit if you don't have some sort of talent, personality, skill or other USP to give it substance
Then explain Ironmouse and Zentraya. Explain Asmongold and Hasan Piker. Explain all the others who get more views and fame than any vtuber despite having zero discernible talent. You have failed to do this. You cannot do this because I am correct. You keep talking about deflecting and moving goalposts but you're the one who keeps arguing irrelevant shit. Every example you have provided has had extensive corporate backing. All you keep saying is, "B-b-but they're talented too!" So fucking what? They still had an entire company dedicated solely to making them famous. And yet here you are still pissing and shitting over it without making even a single substantive point. Fucking die.

>>102123565
>Zero discernible talents

Are you retarded? People are entertained by them and they shit out contents. It's really not that hard to understand

>>102102127
My gf is a community manager for a company and it's easier than blue collar jobs by a long shot but it has its drawbacks like working every day. Even if it's just one hour you have to interact with other communities, post, reply to comments, reply to dms and some other bullshit like talking with influencers for collaboration.
Will I say streaming or content creation is a hard job? Nah. The hard part is being successful, doing it is easier than most jobs. Retards like Assmongol can do it and he doesn't even shower.

>>102123677
>if they're famous they must be talented otherwise they wouldn't be famous
Most braindead take ever conceived. Are you going to go listen to Nicki Minaj and watch Marvel's the Thunderbolts? They're really famous so they must be good.

>>102107472
>>102110204
>>102113276
damn, men are really shallow with no standards only caring about if women are attractive, huh? Crazy how moids will openly just say things like this matter-of-factly not realizing how bad and hateable it makes them look lmao

>>102123455
Content creators are some of the dumbest people on the planet and you expect them to know how to do any of this.
It takes them a month to learn how to click "go live" on OBS when someone else has setup everything for them and they sometimes fuck that up too.

>>102123565
>IronLung and Troonzaya
Putting aside your infantile inability to understand that some "people" like their personalities (a shit personality is different from NO personality), Lung is a fucking opera singer.
>Asmongold
Former professional high-level WoW player. I don't even know this from watching his content, I know it because one of my buddies is the kind of oldfag who used to shit on "Wrathbabies" in the 2000s and that's how he's familiar with him.
>Piker
Astroturfed + Leftypol slop grifter. If you're a seething leftoid desperate for emotional validation of your facile opinions, he's one of a handful of people you could go to, and the backing he gets from TPTB certainly helps too. It's an evil talent, and I personally find him insufferable, but if you're a spiteful mutant then it makes sense that you would find him appealing.
>You have failed to do this
Wrong.
>You cannot do this because I am correct
Wrong again.
YOU were the one who failed to prove that "playing the game" ALONE is what brings numbers, which is why you're backpedaling and whining about shifting the goalposts in place of making an argument that holds up under even the slightest bit of scrutiny.
>Any counterexample is "irrelevant" because I'm a retarded first-order thinker who lacks object permanence
>Every example has had extensive corporate backing dedicated to making them famous
More like a brand and extensive corporate meddling and interference for the last several years, which you would know if you watched streams.
All of which is now gone... and yet, they STILL retained their fame and popularity despite explicitly refusing to play the game by going off on their own as indies.
>so fucking what?
SO, you inbred homunculus, that proves that corporate backing on its own is a fucking meme and that they were reliant on their own merits to not just draw people in, but actually KEEP people interested, let alone DEVOTED. Oh wait, my bad, that fact completely shits all over your case and is therefore automatically "irrelevant" because it has to be for your cope narrative to stay intact, right?
Your only response to all of this is to stick your head in the sand, pretend the substantive points I've raised that poke holes in your narrative just don't exist, play dumb and humiliate yourself by asking us to believe that you are so fucking stupid that you can't see how success stories disproportionate to how much or how well a given talent "played the game" are relevant to your thesis that "playing the game" = success. Because you know you can't formulate an actual coherent counterargument, because your whole case is nonsense upon stilts.

>>102123799
>women are untalented
>this makes moids look bad
That's nice sweetcheeks, now go play outside. The unemployed browns are talking.

>>102123752
nta but holy third world reading comprehension.
Kill yourself. Do you know what that means, chimp?

>>102123565
watch Asmongolds Chinese homless streamers video if you want to know why Asmon is sucessfull. He grinds every day 6+hours for years. Did i just hear 6 hours? oh i did my weekly minimum time to go party and fuck GG

>>102109730
Fucking grim. Bet you she's glad she "networked" her way into farming viewers

>>102102006 (OP)
nooooo deme what are u doing

>>102108033
m'lady

>>102107938
>Networking is code for getting all your holes filled at a streamer party by the way.
holy mind break

>>102123799
Why are you saying this like it some sort of exposé that men have been trying to hide? Men aren't selling you falsehoods which is a level of truthfulness you should appreciate.

Men are funnier than women.
Men are harder workers than women.
Men are more creative than women.
Men are more intelligent than women.
Men are way better at literally every single activity you can do on stream, than women.

The only thing a woman has that is superior than a man, is the fact she is a woman and men will pay for that.

>>102124002
>Former professional high-level WoW player
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>102124002
>some "people" like their personalities
Not a talent.
>It's an evil talent
No, it's not a talent. Literally by dictionary definition, what you are describing of Hasan is not a talent.
>Lung is a fucking opera singer
And did that make her famous? Is that relevant to her audience at all? Is it a core part of her content? No, no, and no.
>refusing to play the game by going off on their own as indies
You're just being disingenuous. Gura marketted the shit out of Saba before her debut, she fed hints from her other accounts and purposely held a marketting campaign to build as much hype as possible. That is playing the game. You're completely fucking delusion.
>Blah blah blah word salad
Kill yourself.

>>102122758
Please bring used dishes from your room to the dishwasher if you don't want people going into your room

>>102124053
It's literally what you said. People are entertained by them and they shit out videos therefore they are talented. If that isn't what you meant then you're the fucking retard who needs to learn English because that's exactly what those words you said mean.

The hardest part of being an indie who wants to take this seriously is finding other people who also want to take it seriously. The indie sphere, especially the male sphere, is full of irony poisoned fags or pussies with zero confidence, sometimes both at the same time. Being in a corpo means you have at least 3-4 people who have been vetted to be just as serious as you are and you can bounce ideas off of, you can plan serious schedules, there's some healthy competition and one-up-manship, people aren't going to flake on you, when things do go wrong people won't just say, "It's just a hobby for me" or "I do this for fun". Corpos also give you knowledge about sponsors, merch, etc and what you should be charging/charged for those services. So many indies get absolutely fleeced both ways.

The other shit about being an indie isn't hard, it's just tedious. There is effort, but it's a matter of time more than exertion. You don't have to be particular smart especially if you're female.

>>102124515
Males capable of doing things seriously do not become vtubers.

streaming is as hard as you make it. if you're an asocial person who doesn't actually like streaming as much as they hate the idea of doing literally anything else, and get extremely booty blasted by any negative attention at all, and act like DMing someone is god's hardest challenge because you're that bad at socializing, you're going to have a hard time. the actual work part is similar in its range of effort, but let's be real, 99% of them do fuck all but yap into a mic and the hardest part of their job is making a schedule (and then following through on said schedule).

>>102124734
I've made more than I've put in so far.

>>102123455
>DON'T give them access to your channel
*full access
YT has permissions in place for brand accounts, you can limit a party to private uploads only

>>102123799
This is the kind of post a very spoiled child makes "I'm angry, you're making me angry!". Okay? Who are you? No one cares.

>>102124437
Hello saar, did you do the seetheful today

>>102124474
>nta
Thank you for proving you can't read.
Also not what that anon said, further proving you can't read.

>>102124441
>Not a talent
Not an argument. It's personality, which is one of the things I mentioned. Oops, your red herring died...
>No, it's not a talent. Literally by dictionary definition
Facts are stubborn things. See picrel and then set yourself on fire.
>shifting goalposts AGAIN
Got anything to quantify those three "no"s, or is this yet another case of "nuh uh because I said so?" Oh, wait, never mind, I don't fucking care because you asked a question and I gave you an answer, so shut the fuck up.
>Literally just telling people you're coming back purely through word of mouth and posting a few hype teasers is "playing the game"
>You're completely fucking delusion
>btw did I mention I'm an illiterate waste of chromosomes yet
You should beat the shit out of whoever taught you English, Sanjay. You got ripped off. Though I understand that's just how you say "hello" in your culture after sampling each others' watery dysentery of course.
captcha N0GX4R

>>102104059
correct

>>102102127
Or they just dont do that much? Some of them may try shorts for a while but stop uploading them after a couple of weeks because they realize it makes no fucking difference when 99% of their oney comes from the same 5 paypigs anyway. Even when these whores go on month long breaks they barely lose a dollar on it because their paypigs keep donating even when theyre offline. In fact its preferable in some sense because now they can use their donos as DMs. Being a streamer is the most privileged job in the history of mankind whether youre doing it solo or not. I wish whores like that would work a single day as a nurse or as a manual laborer, theyd fucking break immediately and crawl back to their home on their knees and cry themselves to sleep. Fucking spoiled CUNT

>>102125337
"Personality" is not an ability, again your so-called proof is only further evidence against your supposed point.
>Literally just telling people you're coming back purely through word of mouth and posting a few hype teasers is "playing the game"
That's called advertising, and yes it is playing the game. You're not making any points, you're arguing purely for the sake of arguing, and you're not even correct about anything. You are an embarrassment to the species. Kill yourself.

>>102108033
I'm right here.
5'7 (170cm), 33 years old, 242lbs (110kg).
I'm also bald and quite hairy.

>>102127591
stop being obese

Cherry picking holodecline deflection thread.

>>102119260
Just like Monia you are changing the topic, what a person considers a "successful stream" will vary from person to person, if someone invests thousands of dollars in a setup, online ads etc. and he doesn't see a return on investment in years then is a failure
meanwhile if a person also spends the same amount of money in a setup and only streams to his friends to have a good time then that investment was a success for him
Your opinion on a successful job will never be an objective fact
Deme was also very clear when she said "when people say streaming is hard" she is referring to the act of streaming, if she had said "being a streamer is hard" then your argument would be make sense, since we'll be discussing everything that entails streaming such as being successful

>>102109603
>>102107570
A impressive average of 15-30 viewers across 4 years with 0 growth

>>102102006 (OP)
It's easy as fuck, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Monia should take a hard look at the manpower behind all of her electronics and remind herself what kind of world she is living in.

>>102129219
So you could say that she would be irrelevant if not for a corpo? Interesting

>>102102006 (OP)
Based.
You can tell that Deme had to deal with someone like Monia's shit far too often and for far too long.

>>102123455
>Mew2Kings "editor" just went rogue and deleted everything because he had access to it.
wtf can he catch a break? dudes a legend who has done nothing but give.

>>102129219
You can actually argue she was a top 1% streamer

The average top 1% of Twitch streamers have around 500 concurrent viewers according to the data from ExpertBeacon.
This figure is based on the threshold to reach the top 1% of channels on Twitch. Another source suggests that 15 average viewers puts you in the top 1% of Twitch, indicating that the definition of "top 1%" can vary depending on the context and the specific metrics used.
Additionally, it is noted that the top 1% of Twitch channels average only 26 viewers when considering all streamers across Twitch, including non-affiliates and community channels.
These figures highlight the variability in the definition of the top 1% on Twitch.

>>102124002
>Former professional high-level WoW player.
You've been misinformed

>>102124441
>And did that make her famous? Is that relevant to her audience at all? Is it a core part of her content?
yes, yes and yes

>>102129372
Thank you ChatGPT but I didn't ask

>>102123455
Fucking hell. Mew2King REALLY can't catch a break. The other week or so some part of twitter tried to cancel him because while laughing with some friends he told a black guy to sit in the back. (He was sitting in the front passenger seat for the first time in years)

>>102129219
Yeah. She wasn't really trying by her own admission until she made it into Niji.
After she did, though, you can clearly see the difference. Compare her to any of the other Nijis and she was clearly networking, growing, and far outpacing them bar some of the boys who had Niji's full backing, (though she was still outpacing many of them) and Pomu who was equally popular and hard working herself. There's a reason that the instant she went AWOL, half the sphere rallied to find out what happened. And when niji finally revealed what happened, the entire sphere rioted.

>>102124433
>Men are funnier than women.
chuubas like Gura/Saba, Pippa or Pekora are funnier than 99% of all anons on this board/site and in fact many chuubas in general can entertain the audience bantering and talking cracking jokes for hours on end. Meanwhile all of (You) anons can barely even speak to anyone in real-life let alone make anyone laugh even once. All of (you) oh so superior males if you actually tried to make soemone laugh or turned on a webcam and tried to crack a joke to an audience would be just stood/sat there weakly and limply muttering something like 'h-haha George Floyd amirite? u-uhh... attack helocopter' and fucking it up because you'd be choking on your nervousness and it would sound godawful with your digusting nasally lispy accent. (You) moids only smugly and confidently judge women and prcolaim your innate superiority because you are just some piece of text behind a screen and you have never actually made a woman or even another man laugh, genuinely, in your entire life.
>Men are harder workers than women
the fact that (You) are slothfully here just wasting away not out there grinding and working on improving yourselves in the real world disproves his. Men in the modern world are so pathetic that the instant women entered the workforce and rejecting their mediocre asses they instantly started dropping out of college and checking out of society going all like 'hurrrrr life is so bad as a guy now, my life is over hurrrrr' you weakling males are perfectly content to waste away not working on yourselves at all and you are being viciously outcompeted. You are not harder workers than women, most of you can't even look after yourselves and still need mommy to wash your clothes and your dishes for you.
>Men are more creative than women
sitting unwashed in front of a camera giving your lukewrm 'uhh idk that's crazy guys' takes or screaming like a manchild while recording yourself playing a video game isn't creative. The likes of Filian, CC, GG and Dooby mog every last one of you Y-chromosome-havers in the creativity department. Men haven't been creative for fucking decades; a man's idea of creativity nowadays is going on stage and going 'can you believe I'm cancelled??? my wife amirite??? what's up with WAMENZ ubulublbublb' and making monkey noises or doing endless slop podcasts about the same thing just fucking whining the whole time.
>Men are more intelligent than women
Women are currently outperforming men academically on a crazy level, men are not even going to college anymore. Women are getting all the degrees and taking over STEM while your lazy limpdick asses just cry into your pillows about not having a gf or something.
>Men are way better at literally every single activity you can do on stream, than women.
why does fucking nobody watch male vtubers then?

The only thing a man has that is superior than a woman, is the fact that he is a man and other weak faggy men will circlejerk with him about it. Moids lost.

>>102124433
explain /asp/

>>102124433
>>102130216
You're both retards desu.

>>102131221
that is a boy

>>102130216
Imagine putting Pekora in the same sentence at these secondaries.

>>102131236
They're whatever you want 'em to be.

>>102130216
>pippa
>funny
Anon, all she does is scream and repeat popular slurs. She couldn't make a joke more complicated than "lol black people amirite?" if her life depended on it.

>>102131528
>>102132276
missing the point entirely Stop being autistic and living in your own heads. Why when you hear a point about something being generally entertaining to some people is your response 'hurrrrrr buh... buh *I* don't find it entertaining... so it isn't!' do you realize how stupid that is? It doesn't even defeat the point being made.
The fact is, women like Pekora, Pippa etc make many people laugh, in fact various vtubers do (who are women), whereas (You) and many other men don't make fucking anybody laugh and are not entertaining at all. Therefore this stupid 'muh men are funnier than women' point is obviously untrue and defeated.
>all Pippa does is repeat popular slurs
you don't watch her and have never seen an actual single second of her. And it takes just a single second of thought to realize that obviously if she was saying SLURS she would have her channel banned and you'd fucking know about it, it'd be clipped and everywhere but evidently this is not the case. You are retarded.

>>102127349
>Personality is not an ability
Good thing I never said that and it's totally irrelevant to the actual argument. Red herring status = slain.
>It's called advertising
Ah yes, such an extensive "advertisement" campaign that she never actually advertised anywhere except for maybe Dooby mentioning it. Really optimizing her engagement there.
Sorry, but continued denialism won't make my points magically go away. And yes, I am correct about literally everything, ESPECIALLY telling you to end your own life in an exceptionally slow, brutal, and agonizing manner.

>>102132276
Hey now she also "jokes" about mass shootings. She really likes it when her viewers engrave her name on a gun just before doing one

>>102132695
damn, Pippa is cooler than I thought

>>102129030
>You are changing the topic
Nope, sorry! The topic is what it always was, you're just grasping at straws and playing semantic word games to avoid having to defend the actual point because you know I'm right. This is literally every argument you made, literal shameless rules-lawyering and splitting hairs to pretend that "streaming" and "being a streamer" are not identical in meaning.

>>102129247
>don't let anyone tell you the truth
sorry, I'll keep bashing you over the head with reality whether you like it or not and I don't care if you refuse to accept it

The literally who flip picked a bad target, who knew the deme chick had so many white knights in this hellhole.

>>102108033
>160 cm walk in
How are you doin

>>102131528
>Gura
>Secondary
roru
Simmer down nousagi, by your own retard logic Pekora is a secondary because she isn't Sora and Sora is a secondary because she isn't Kizuna Ai

>>102132542
>you don't watch her and have never seen an actual single second of her.
Are you sure I'm not the one who hasn't watched her?
Oh, I'm sorry, you're right. Slurs aren't 100% of her content, more like half. The other half is peaking her mic by screaming REALLY FUCKING LOUD. I'm not even going to get into her inability to collab with anybody except from a very, very, very short list without shutting up for 98% of the stream.
Various female vtubers are funny. Pippa's not one of them. She isn't watched for her humor. She's watched for her opinions (or what people think are her opinions, since they change depending whoever last talked to her).

Hell, compare her with someone in her general circle, Filian. Filian's got an actual gimmick (slapstick humor) while also being able to come up with fast, charged responses or skits on the spot seamlessly from a conversation. If you're so knowledgable about pippa, I'm sure you know enough about Filian to compare.

>>102102006 (OP)
I’m working full time and going to university 4 classes per week evenings one on Saturday, still have time for weekly Japanese and violin lesson, and I go to the gun range on sundays (The Lords day). It’s not difficult. Some people just don’t handle schedules well or aren’t built for work.

>>102132984
Pippa hasn’t said a single slur in her entire streaming career, which is actually disappointing imo. People like you don’t know what you’re talking about whatsoever

>>102130216
Cool, now let’s hear about how you still think White men are oppressing everyone because they’re at the top of society despite all that womanist copeaganda

>>102130216
I love how nearly every point you just made can be turned back on (You) for being terminally online enough to post /here/ while use embarrassing terms like "moid" unironically because you have no originality or creativity.
Also society deliberately handicapping men in favor of giving women and minorities jobs and degrees is part of the reason for the ongoing competency crisis. If only you listened to understand, and not just to respond, you would quit projecting so hard.

>>102130216
>t.

>>102132828
NTA but you're retarded.

It's easy to stream. Just turn on the camera and go live. Hell, a quick search of Demi shows why she thinks it's so easy. She's a reaction streamer. Here's her reacting to a fucking reaction video. It's one of the most popular clips on her channel. All of her most popular clips are either of her laughing at more popular streamers like forsen or ishowspeed do something funny, or her ass showing in vrchat.
That's pretty fucking easy content to make. She doesn't need to make ANYTHING. She just turns on the stream and plays whatever her chat sends her. Reaction streamers generally make tons of money and get tons of viewers off of other people's actual content which took effort, too.

The fact that she's spending all day "yapping" and not doing behind the scenes work is a testament to how she's not actually working very hard. Not to mention her liesurely tone implies that even the streaming part doesn't really require much effort.

Compare this to say, a streamer without a team behind them who's working to break into the industry or stay relevant via having to come up with their own jokes on situations, having to edit their own short-form content, manage their own merchandise, doing what they can for advertising and sponsorships, etc.

You'd be retarded for implying that Deme (in this tweet specifically) works as hard as someone like Doki, Mint, or even Filian who spends 98% of their time behind the scenes working on projects or managing their own brand, often saying that their "streaming work" IS their time off.

Or hell you could even compare her to other fleshy streamers who work hard like SmallAnt, a guy who's lucky if he gets 3 hours of sleep a night due to all of the full time streaming + editing + planning work he gets done every day that allowed him to get a successful brand and channel.

The job is as hard as you want it to be. If you want it to be easy, just get lucky as a reaction/political streamer and you'll immediately get a dedicated audience throwing money at you the moment you get noticed.

>>102102006 (OP)
who?

>>102132828
You haven't refuted my points, now you are attacking the way I stated them as being "semantic games"
This in the Hierarchy for disagreement is the yellow one "responding to tone" you are nearly in the deepest layers which makes your response primitive and inhuman
I have no interest in responding to cavemen that just want to feel superior to others

>>102133473
>Reddit spacing
>>102133735
>Reddit picrel
Thank you for acknowledging that you can't refute the arguments

>102133950
>N-no! My reaction streamer isn't wrong! You're both redditors!

>>102133950
>newfag trying to dismiss an argument as 'reddit spacing'
Here, you want a QRD?
You're retarded because you're defending a low-effort coombaiting reaction streamer saying her job is easy because it is.

>>102129372
I'm curious if they include non-streaming accounts in the math, or only those who have gone live at least N times.

>>102134164
NTA but it's likely they count people who've gone live at least once. Probably not total active streamers. So a guy streaming to a few friends in a discord call would likely count.

>>102134032
>Anon's "argument" is somehow even more retarded than I thought it would be
Glad I didn't waste more of my time on your drivel then, thanks for the confirmation

>>102134609
Okay, Deme. You win. You work just as hard putting on a random chatter's video and then laughing as X streamer does when they actually spend more than 3 hours a day working.

>>102134661
>*Spends all thread shitting on Deme's argument*
>"This anon must be Deme LOL"
Damn what gave me away

>>102133082
>Pippa hasn’t said a single slur in her entire streaming career
not only are you implying that pippa is slipping you've also proven that anon's point that pippa is indeed primarily watched for slurring and screaming lol

>>102133735

>>102104282
F

>>102130216
It's not men, it's exceptional men. Asmon. Hasan. Rogan, whathisname they grind daily.
Now tell me how many hours CC streams on a monthly basis.
CC won't stream Chrono Trigger even if when they have perms because she already played the game pre hololive. That's funny because one of her first games was some Zelda game that she already played before.

Which one of you faglords is a corpo bootlicker so that i know who to shit on

>>102132695
Based. What's wrong with that?

>>102123455
>hire a russian
kek why a russian specifically

>>102150781
No hate but they work for almost nothing, their currency is taking a dip and i stop here.

>>102153169
I know because I am russian, do people pay us in like crypto? making like 40$ is basically double the daily income for most people

>>102122140
When she lost the smug, she lost me.

>>102153192
Jesus christ, I though russia was supposed to be America's arch nemesis

Ok, retards, what's the verdict?
Here's mine:
When's there's no Man in these women lives, telling them to NOT act retarded, they instinctively do it.

>>102143338
Phase

>>102133473
Nothing is stopping that other girl from doing the same thing Deme does. Do react, coombait and be happy intead of moaning about streaming being hard. It's hard if you don't know how to play the game.

>>102153674
Men act more retarded on a daily basis to a way higher level than women do; who is it that literally kills each other over utterly retarded shit like someone looking at them the wrong way? who is it that starts all the wars and kills thousands and goes to die for a piece of dirt? who is it that commits 99% of literally all crimes? who is it that spends their entire lives desparately trying to constantly one-up and show-off to everyone around them to prove how much of a big boy they are? who is it that throws their entire life away and destroys friendships simping after women? who is it that sinks their entire life's fortune and gets into debt just to pay for e-girls and porn because they can't stop thinking with their dick and jerking off? who is it that commits the most infidelity and ruins their marriages? who is it that abuses their own families for years just because they can't control their own feelings and have to snap at every little thing? who is it that votes in conmen and authoritarians and wants to throw all of society away just because they can't get laid? who is it that wastes away their entire lives on an anonymous image board wallowing in self-pity while simultaneously somehow boasting about how great they are and judging others, gossiping and bitching about virtual women while also simping for them because they have no self-respect, standards or control over their own feelings and behavior?
Men.

>>102140555
>Asmon
>Hasan
>Rogan
>exceptional
lolno

>>102102006 (OP)
>Respect that
I'd block this bitch too for being a passive aggressive lazy cunt.

>>102102006 (OP)

>>102154885
Yes every one of them - like them or hate them - streams/uploads more in 1 week than Cecilia Immergreen from Hololive Justice does in a month.

>>102113276
They donate to them tho, a girl can confortably coast around 100ccv and treat streaming as a second part time job. While a dude needs a net of viewers five times higher to collect a similar income.

>>102155936
and yet Cecilia Immergreen from hololive Justice is more intelligent, funny, skilled, insightful, creative and entertaining than all of them combined.

>>102158921
But she isn't, or she is that is an opinion. Facts are Asmon has over 3M subs and CC 400k and most of them are from her first month. If she was all that what you claimed you'd think her numbers would be higher.

>>102160442
>If she was all that what you claimed you'd think her numbers would be higher.
No, we don't live in a meritocracy and the majority of people do not actually evaluate things on the basis of the actual quality of it or even really the entertainment factor - the majority of people, due to being average iq people with no real opinions who are primarily motivated by social conformity, select things based on whatever appeals to their basic id-tier sensory input, what appeals to them in a self-representation kind of way combined with liking things that are simply presented to them as being things they are suppsoed to like or that already comes with some level of trendiness. Moistcritical is so popular because he is popular and also because, like Asmong, he simply mirrors the shlubby unwashed audience, they appear to the lowest common denominator regular-less of the average gamerbro. Likewise with Joe Rogan appealing to dudebro types and being popular simply because he is popular. There is no actual underlying quality or thought put into it, they are truly mediocre for medicore people - the majority of people - and these people do not actually have much real talent. They became popular by the circumstantial happenstance of when they came onto the internet at the time and their intiial popularity with medicore gamerdudebros and normalfags simply became a self-reinforcing loop.
There is no correlation to quality. The numbers don't matter. We do not live in a meritocracy. We live in a mediocracy.

>>102160850
* they appeal to the lowest common denominator regular-ness of the average gamerbro

>>102160850
Charly got famous because he gave money away if you begged for it while he is live. His live numbers are quite bad but he produces videos.
So you say CC is too smart and that's why noone watches her. Gee.

>>102161178
Caring about popularity or numbers and thinking is determines the quality of a thing or if you should watch it is the hallmark of being a midwit, an npc, a lesser being. Your preoccupation with numbers and thinking that thinking and talking in terms of being 'business'-like' makes you cool, intelligent or profound reveals that you are a midwit lacking self-awareness or a soul. You are exactly the kind of mediocre lesser humanoids who is motivated entirely by social conformity that I was talking about. You are incapable of having real opinions of your own, personal tastes in media and art and you do not have the capacity for higher intellect and thinking outside of your midwit paradigm. Talking to you is probably a waste of time since it's on the same level as trying to converse with an insect.

>>102115192
This is factually not true , just look at the numbahs..men have historically had success in entertainment and tend to be taken more seriously than women. Women weren’t even that welcome in the gaming space until fairly recently..some comps don’t even allow women teams. For every 1 successful female streamer, there are 10 male streamers with the same if not more success.

>>102130216
>>102160850
tl;dr what I like is good and what I don't like is bad
Imagine have this effort to put your opinion into an essay instead of real life

>>102162391
>tl;dr what I like is good and what I don't like is bad
not wanting to interrogate and justify why you think something is good or bad is the sign of being a midwit, furthermore thinking real quality doesn't exist and can't be recognized, that everything is just an opinion is peak midwit philosophy. Thinking that things like talent and quality don't exist is peak midwit and is just a justification for the fact that (You) cannot recognize such things and don't evaluate things based on this.
>imagine putting thought into your opinions and articulating them at length instead of just being a conforming normalfag
midwit confirmed

>>102153600
Individual wealth is really fucking poor, I literally never traveled because my poorfuck family never could save up for it and now that i'm an adult making my own money I too am trapped in a cycle of making enough to afford tech or upgrades but not enough to afford a car for example(average people save up for like 10-5 years to buy a car)

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>>102127014
the nurse or manual laborer will likely still get paid if someone doesn't like them.

>>102105720
other way around.

>>102104093
Don’t get fagoons started

>>102169783
If only saving as a concept existed to zoomers. But nah, you're gonna blow your money on gachas, energy drinks and expensive merch and then complain about how little money you have. Just fuck off

>>102104093
>You keep 100% of what you make
YT fees, Paypal fees, TAX if you ignore everything then yes you get 100%

>>102104093
Holy delusion

>>102102006 (OP)
Monia seems like a cunt