This the equivalent of a-chan leaving hololive, why is vshojo losing people left and right, are they finally closing shop?

>>102140454 (OP)
(me) forgot link
https://x.com/paninimgmt/status/1943430041398055007

>>102140454 (OP)
alright

>This the equivalent of a-chan leaving
And LeBron retiring from basketball is just like you getting fired from McDonald's

>>102140454 (OP)
So what kind of goals can he help with? Concerts?

>>102140454 (OP)
Yeo, Vshojo just died, they won't recover from all this

To think that last year, it looked like Vshojo was going to pull out ahead...

>>102140454 (OP)
They lost their CTO and Merch Manager not that long ago. What's happening? Don't forget that 3 members are currently MIA too, froot.hime.haruka !!

>>102140733
>Merch Manager
Given the nightmares about Vshojo merch, makes sense

>>102140454 (OP)
I never like dooming for no reason but when there is smoke, there must be fire.

This looks fucking awful, especially since Zen and Ironmouse unfollowed each other.

>>102140454 (OP)
So why is Vshoujo bleeding members and staff?

>>102140699
Yeah, probably.
Unfortunate, really. They seemed like a really decent corpo on the talents' side, but I guess they outgrew the company.

>>102140454 (OP)
>closing shop
That or the merger schizo was right, that Brave is gonna buy the company

>>102140815
>Zen and Ironmouse unfollowed each other
WTF proof???

>>102140454 (OP)
Post his works. Like, what comission?

>>102140871
Literally just follow them on Twitter and then you'll see they're not following each other if you go to their profiles

>>102140983
it's a she

>>102141008
Whatever.

>Vshojo is either about to IPO and everyone's quitting in protest, or they're so far in the red everyone's abandoning ship
who will take their place in the big 3 now?

>>102140454 (OP)
seems like it OP i have watched this song and dance before they wont be around in 2 years time

>>102140983
Can't you read? She said it clear that her job is navigating talent content and management. I'm guessing that the Lollipop concert happened thanks to her

>>102141084
same as it ever was
hololive
nijisanji
Brave

>>102140871

>>102141124
HOLY F ISREAL KEK

>>102141084
>they're so far in the red everyone's abandoning ship
If this becomes the latter, then it is pretty ironic. The company praises talent freedom, but in the end, it's the money that keeps the company alive

Rei can yearn for the 2019 days all she wants, but we all have to admit that profitability should not be ignored, and VShojo is gonna learn it the hard way

>>102141124
Oof

>>102141124
OOOOOOFFFFFFFF

>>102141207
>VShojo is gonna learn it the hard way
seems like they have.
I wonder if this will end up diluting the community they made. It's not like they were ever legally required to collab or anything and still can, but there's a world of difference between solo and indie.

Hope Michi, Henya, and Melody at least make it out alright.

>>102140815
At first they lost people in the merch division so maybe the VShojo problem was merch, but now that they lost the person who direct talent content and management? Something changed in the company and yet none of the fans seem to care. Do they need to lose Mousey or kson to finally snap back to reality that VShojo is changing for the worse and stop using the IP ownership cope to defend their ass?

>>102140454 (OP)
Not shion is seriously joining this sinking ship? Also, why the fuck management have to announce they are leaving? Like who the fuck are you? I can understand someone as A-chan announcing her graduation, because she was the face of the company like yagoo. But no body cares about these random suits that never have shown their faces.

Also forgive my ESLness, I just want to understand why these nobodies make an announcement that they are leaving the company.

>>102141124
Finally this fake ass bitch is being called of for lying about her illness.

>>102141402
>and yet none of the fans seem to care
The mood in /vsj+/ has been a bit dire
In the end though it's not that catastrophic for viewers because all the vtubers are just gonna keep streaming as they always have

>>102141466
Panini was essentially VShojo's A-chan

>>102141380
Melody will be fine melody was huge before Vshojo melody is going all in on fansly content anyway from what it looks like so she has her way out ready to go

>>102141380
>Hope Michi, Henya, and Melody at least make it out alright.
You don't care about the rest?

>>102141466
They're not really nobodies. The west doesn't treat staff like faceless nobodies that requires a cute anime mouthpiece. People hire individuals for their skills.
In this case, he clearly had some considering how many vshojo members always lauded the management and mental health quality.

>>102141466
>Not shion is seriously joining this sinking ship
Proof or it's all in your head
>But no body cares about these random suits that never have shown their faces
Anon this is the current VShojo employees. VShojo is not a 600-men company. And losing the talent director is pretty big from the back-end, which will eventually affect the front-end

>>102141551
No, not really.
I only care about those girls because I fap to Melody and my oshi likes the other two.

>>102140454 (OP)
So either some internal war happened after Matara got fired or Vshojo went the way of Idol EN and spend themselves into the ground.

>>102141124
Tourist fag stop fishing for (you)s
>>102141467
>>102141538

>>102140454 (OP)
>Hire a bunch of former corpotubers and large indies who are the least in need of a VTubing agency
>They all start dipping
WOOOOOOW NOTHING I COULD'VE DONE

>>102141585
Who is your oshi?

Connor could have raped one of the talents and this is everyone running away because Ironmouse basically owns the corp at this point.

Rest In Piss

>>102141084
No one, the market is shrinking.
It will be mostly niji and Holo, surrounded by hundres of indies and whos.

Maybe a nuclear winter will fix that

>>102141546
>essentially VShojo's A-chan
Jesus christ, thanks anon. The situation there looks grim. I bet paying a million dollars to sign up amalee is starting to have its effect.

>>102141639

>>102140454 (OP)
Maybe he's going to team up with Zen for a new cropo

>>102141643
why are you sharing your personal fantasies femanon

>>102140454 (OP)
wow, is the clique that bad that didn't even the staff can fight it?

>>102140502
The funniest thing is she just sticks to the sinking ship out of pride. After all admitting it was dumb and pointless to be in vs Holo is like admitting it was a mistake for her to leave to begin with. So naturally she will go maximum woman and never admit fault for anything.

>>102141572
>Anon this is the current VShojo employees. VShojo is not a 600-men company. And losing the talent director is pretty big from the back-end, which will eventually affect the front-end

Still a bunch of nobodies. I've never seen a thread or a tweet in the official vshitshow account with the face of those fags.

>>102141701
Hey tourist chan, make sure to go to the merch site while you can

>>102141699
because Connor seems like the type of person to take advantage of drunk girls

>>102141647
>he thinks vshojo has that kind of money
lol
lmao even

>>102140454 (OP)
Whatever. Let it all dissolve back into the liggersphere.

>>102141711
It's not like she had much of a future in there anyways.
By the time she left she was still getting spambots ruining not only her chat but the chats of anyone else who'd even interact with her. I know she said she was fine with it, but for the viewers, it was fucking annoying not being able to see it or use it in any meaningful way. After she went indie they mostly stopped chatbot spamming holo because their year-long temper tantrum had worked.

>>102141646
>niji
lol. They're cooked in EN.
>>102141115
>brave
Ah yes, their army of 2views will surely take over the west.

At this point I expect them to give up on vtuber companies and just start buying individual large streamers.

>>102141714
If you wait for doomsday to be announced in the main account then it is gonna be too late for you. Clever people noticed it way before that. VShojo is currently changing internally, and eventually the talents will react to it. We are witnessing either the end of VShojo or the birth of an entirely new VShojo. But one thing for certain, the VShojo that kson bragged about during her debut no longer exists

>>102141834
true the west belongs to liggers now fuck corpos

If vshojo died they'd all just be indies nbd sp who cares

>hololive loses several key EN/JP vtubers
>vshojo has multiple talents and managers leaving
>nijisanji is nijisanji
>phase has mass shooting controversies
Vtubing in the west seems to be going downhill altogether

>>102141866
Vshojo lost 4 big talents in 6 months back in 2023 and nothing happened to them. Talent and staff are replaceable and negligible just like in cover or anycolor.

>>102141910
I would fucking care if the VShojo brand disappears. Did you forget why VShojo was popularized in the first place? Or are you new and join the community during their lows?

>>102141926
>Vtubing in the west seems to be going downhill altogether
It's more corpo vtubing. The indies are doing relatively fine aside from a drama here and there. Especially the ex-corpo indies.

>>102141934
They immediately got Pikamee and ex-Nijis to plug the hole back then. Now? Pickings are slim.

>>102141990
there's still six whole months to 2025. Let's wait and see.

>>102140733
>hime
is a joke vtuber. Should never have been made.

....whilst Hildur plays fitting music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGID4ZhF45I

>>102140454 (OP)
concerning

>>102141990
Oh boy i cant wait for ike and kotoka to join and fix everything. Maybe in 2027 when mouse and mel leave we can get vox or luca to fill that hole too. Vshojo just keeps looking brighter and brighter.

>>102141834
NijiEN is nowhere nearly close to their former peak, but they are still miles ahead of other non-Holo corpos / non-former-Holo indies on YT.

Any day now...

>>102141834
>start buying individual large streamers
That is called nepo-hiring but they need to make a branch for that first

>>102141978
>Especially the ex-corpo indies.
But that's an issue. Other than ex-corpos, most actual indies don't really get more popular and ex-corpos don't really do much to help with that. Those ex-corpo indies are more "ex-corpo" than "indies"

>>102141551
Henya will stay at the sinking ship

>>102141926
actually phase connect is doing very well, one termination and one graduation since its inception. mass shootings? never heard of it, it seems like an american problem ;)

>>102142088
>when Mouse leaves
It's entirely her show now, why would she? You fucking retard. And Vox? Ike? Luca? Who the fuck would let in those fucking cunts? What the fuck are even on about?

>>102142094
Ah, I guess that's true. Youtube doesn't really have vtubers to begin with. At best they're vod channels for the twitch streamers.
The only real indies on twitch are ex-corpos

>>102142094
>but they are still miles ahead of other non-Holo corpos / non-former-Holo indies
Erm
>on YT
Well yeah 'cause nobody streams there

>>102140733
they're dropping dead weight. Three months from now, you'll see them set up some major events and pick up some major content creators

>>102142104
which is funny, because this is what director of talent was supposed to do. no wonder she was fired

>>102142205
Anon we replaced nyanners with fucking mysta.

>>102142282
SO TRUEEEEEEE

>>102142289
LMAO

>>102140454 (OP)
I thought Zen already left?

>>102142283
No way she could do her job when Mouse and the other sluts only wanted nepohires

>>102142155
The thing is, they do. But they can't really prop up anybody on youtube because Youtube's discoverability is so dogshit that noone will ever find any of them. Look at Hyuni and Ashton in the virtual vacation. Mint has her own little friend circle with girls like Beribug, etc. but they stream on twitch.
Twitch is the only place an independent can really grow in any form due to the extra tools available on the platform, the better discoverability methods, and a far bigger community focus on live streaming and collaborating.
It's not a coincidence that the only people they ever collab with are either from twitch or other ex-corpos.

>>102142155
>ex-corpos don't really do much to help with that
Meanwhile you have ex corpos Doki/Mint/Nimi/Dooby collabing and even doing concerts with a bunch of indies?

>>102142320
this, I knew vshojo wasn't a serious company when they hired haruka.

>>102142289
And? Do you really think that nigger has any pull whatsoever in the company? Lmao. He's the runt among runts now. I guess you can maybe spin it that Micbi might bring them in instead, but why would she?

>>102142320
hi panini, you are bad at your job, stop looking for excuses to being useless for past year

>>102142088
why are you sharing your fantasies femanon

>>102142357
>Meanwhile you have ex corpos Doki/Mint/Nimi/Dooby collabing and even doing concerts with a bunch of indies?
and whose brand do you think is growing when Mint does a concert? is it vshojos?

>>102142383
Yes anon, I'm exactly the person you are shitting on right now.

>>102140454 (OP)
Brownoids here will forever shitpost anti Hololive's Walled Garden but at the end of the day it will be the agency that will prevail

>>102142374
They should have hired sayu and pippa

>>102142437
no one serious about vtubing would hire sayu and pippa would never leave phase for another company

>>102142409
you are so good at impersonating useless managers that blame anything but their own lack of spine. you are natural, look into opportunities in the field

Henya should leave vshojo and let dooby adopt her

>>102142395
...What? Are you implying that they're only bringing indies to saviorfag to prop themselves up? That's a ridiculous idea, anon. Most of those girls were friends for years. Ashton and Mint especially. Wouldn't be surprised if Mint introduced Ashton and Hyuni to doobs and nimi.

>>102142202
0.6% of the viewership. 80% of the anti shitposting

>>102142479
seethe, phase goes on ticking like a fine swiss watch while your shit company collapses. :)

>>102142451
The girl is cursed at this point. Every group she joins ends up destroyed.

>>102142374
I still hold that haruka wasnt a bad hire, it just should have been haruka and also snuffy and chiitan

>>102142457
and I wish you were impersonating a raging faggot but apparently that's just who you are

>>102142505
>Hard data vs wishful thinking.
Good luck.

>>102142518
I don't hate or dislike haruka, but from a business perspective was a terrible hiring, she already had most of her audience overlap with vshojo's and she doesn't stream.

>>102142505
Please put the gun down, those children deserve to live

>>102141978
>>102142155
>>102142357
>>102142395
This LITERALLY only applies to ex-holos ligger-kun
>b-b-b-but the ex-niji-
No, They are leeching off the good grace of ex-holos

>>102142538
phase doesn't need luck, just competent professionals, your shitty company should try to hire some :)

>>102142505
yeah so excited!!!, maybe theyll even reach 0.7% this year

>>102142518
>Snuffy
Fuck off. Sloppy sisters would never have come into being if she joined Vshojo.

>>102142544
>and she doesn't stream
She used to, A LOT. It's just unfortunate series of events I presume.

>>102142556
Sister, you're not slick

>>102141870
Until everyone realizes liggers are a bunch of catty, drama hungry cunts

>>102142607
she didn't stream much just before joining, i remember her joining zen and stuff be she wasn't streaming on her own much.

>>102142588
her tits are huge, delicious

>>102140733
They are going to be bought out by Brave Group. The offer has been on the table for a while and a bunch of people who aren't ok with the buyout are jumping ship.

>>102142632
Welcome to showbiz

>>102142576
0.6% for years with no sign of growth is not what I call competent professionals

>>102142588
The world where sniffy collabs with lime is good, but I would still rather live in a world where snuffy remains orange.

>>102142673
Shit taste.

>>102142668
go cry on vshojo's grave :)

As long as my neet wife henya is ok then everything is fine

>>102142094
>their former peak
pray tell, what is their "former peak"?

>>102142719
...anon vshojo has like 10x the viewership of phase despite having far less talents, a lot of which are barely active

>>102141834
>They're cooked in EN.
lol

>>102142806
>bragging about twitch numbers
LOL
M
A
O

>>102141926
Indies winning
>Muh Sinder
No one cares

>>102142806
Just for that I'm going to write stuff on my gun and threaten to shoot up a protest :^)

>>102142529
kek mindbroken

>>102142867
Cope

>>102142867
>they don't count because I said so!
>STOP SHOWING THOSE YOUTUBE GRAPHS SAAR
This is your brain on /#/

>>102142866
>calls out for a song name
>nobody answers
Like I said, cooked in EN.
Thanks for playing.

>>102142926
>mad cuz no one respects twitch numbers
LMAO

>>102142867
Whats wrong with Twitch phasepag?

>>102142632
The vibe check

>>102142951
No one respects numbers period, anon. There's a reason this is the only vtuber forum that allows you animals.

>>102141549
lol
lmao
ask anyone in aco pmg if this is true

>>102142946
make a new joke bro. it's just a embarrassing.

>Talent Freedom
>Director of Talent
pick one

>>102142639
Would actually die laughing at this

>>102142962
after you're done crying on vshojo's grave come cry and admire my numbers KEK

>>102142867
>/#/s false flagging as phase
yeah i know that type style when i see it

There was a talent director?

>>102143081
nepotism director

>>102141974
no, hes a mouth breathing mindless "I hate all corpos" chud, he has no idea what to actually think for himself

>nijisisters, /#/niggers and phasecucks act like complete vultures
>only liggers show any sort of concern for the state of Vshojo

>>102143049
amateur hour lmao

>>102143130
liggerland hates your guts

>>102140454 (OP)
Did VShojo ever help their members achieve anything that they couldn't have done on their own? Even the merch, they could have gotten better quality/revenue cuts by partnering with Omocat, Ohmonah, etc

Most of them were already collabing as an unoffical group before VShojo was a thing.

>>102143130
GOOGLE DOCKEY

>>102143130
Vshojo has done nothing for the rest of the vtuber industry, holoEN at least uplifts hidden gems even if they do lock them in a collab bubble

>>102143249
Wasn't Kiara twerking with Moona last week? Vshojo won.

>>102143188
Michi has repeatedly said that this concert she did would've never happened without VShojo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXntqIaiZcU

Normally I wouldn't indulge in this faggotry but it is pretty concerning how many big members behind the scenes are dropping off all at once. I wonder if an ideological clique formed and they purity spiraled too hard.

>>102143316
That's a pretty fucking bottom standard anon

>>102143316
So when's the next concert?

>>102143049
Damn you could only afford the RP 42000 one huh

>>102143316
>"concert"
LMAO.

>>102140454 (OP)
Why is there random vshojo staff coming out of the woodwork

>>102143412
Yeah, a concert that Michi traveled to Japan for 2 weeks to record in a 3D studio and even had a HoloID member perform a song with her

>>102143153
I AM a fucking ligger, you retard.
>>102143217
>bringing up the ligger equivalent of NijisanjiEN's black stream against Dokibird
Uh, why?
>>102143249
>holoEN at least uplifts hidden gems
This hasn't been true for at least five years.
>b-but Biboo was a 2view--
Okay. Who else? Practically everyone else were well known names, be they vtubers or fleshies.

>>102143461
>I AM a fucking ligger, you retard.
so am I and we do not like vshojo, try harder.

Too busy throwing cash at BBNO$ instead of staff

Oh no, the biggest VTuber company in the West collapsed without any good proper 3D concert? Too bad, they ended up joining just to boost some normie Twitch viewers.

>>102140454 (OP)
What's with all the random vshojo staff coming out of the woodwork

>>102143593
They had a concert in 2023, Candy Pop Explosion

>>102142951
>no one respects twitch numbers
The ones who matter do.

>>102143461
kiara
bae
fauna
fuwamoco
cc
gg

>>102143489
>we
Of all the things to try to paint as a collective, you choose liggers of all things? Fuck off, falseflaggot.

>>102143685
hey cuck go back to your thread, there's a riot going on there, you're not and will never be a ligger.

>>102143675
Why do you lie on the Internet?

>>102143644
REAL REAL REALLY REAL CONCERT WITH REAL AUDIENCES

>>102143675

>>102143461
Define "well known" first. For example, notGigi was a (very) low 3views throughout her career outside of special event (i.e 3D debut), dropping to 2views at times.
If Biboo's 2view status counts, notGigi wasn’t that much more popular

>>102143708
YOU go the fuck back. You're the one acting like a fucking vulture.

>>102143821
NotGigi was chumming it up with NijiEN. Don't even fucking speak her name.

>>102143821
Ceci was also a very low 3view

>>102143826
>imagine being this sensitive
faggot

>>102143863
You say that like the entire industry didnt know eachother back then, literally everyone from the first couple gens/waves of all EN corpos were at least on collab or speaking terms pre corpo life

>>102143821
>>102143890
>acting like 3views ain't shit
Go back to /#/, assholes

>>102143863
She had a few Twitter interactions with 2 members and that's it

>>102143765
Why do they need to do that

>>102143892
>obvious phasecuck is obvious

>>102143937
Why are you acting like someone with like 200 viewers max is "well known" ?

>>102143960
This is a sad statement

>>102143449
First and last?

>>102144034
Because he is one of them

>>102143937
You were accepting notBiboo who was borderline 3views. The gap between her and notGigi wasn’t that large.
That’s why I asked you to define "well known" since different people have different standards. If notBiboo gained just around 20 viewers she’d have been a 3views too

>>102143979
>obvious vshojocuck is obvious

>>102143821
You're an actual retard my dude. The only chuba /vt/ wasn't talking about was not biboo. The rest were pretty much known and had fanbases. Cover never hired unknown not even holojp. They were all around the same content creation platform during NND days. They don't create talent, they never did.

>>102144092
kek the edit

>>102144096
Why are you using who /vt/ talks about as a measure of popularity?

>>102144134
Because he doesnt watch streams

>>102144074
>You were accepting notBiboo who was borderline 3views
Not really. I was just facetiously parroting the sentiment i saw on this board in the past. Like i said, "Hololive uplifing hidden gems" hasn't been true for at least five years.

>>102144040
It's a genuine question
Why do they need to put on a concert at an IRL venue?
Hell, why do they need to do a concert at all?

>>102144096
If your standard of being "well known" was just "/vt/ was talking about her" then you'd have to find literal literal-who not to be "well known".
In my standards being talked about by /vt/ doesn't make you well known. Someone at high-3views level, perhaps, but 2views and low 3views are essentially literal whos.
>Cover never hired unknown not even holojp
The other guy never said this. He said they uplifted hidden gems. Different things.

>>102144134
So you mean to tell me Phase connect is not that popular?

>>102144092
>>102142479

>>102144199
3 view is not a hidden gem.

>>102142505
What do you think most phase girls do for their day jobs?

Is this the Vshojo dogpile thread?

>>102144214
cool screenshot you got there faggot

>>102144258
Nah, its the dramafaggot/ligger deflection thread but youre welcome too

>>102144257
i don't know, i'm here for vtubers

>>102144249
Whether she was or wasn't a gem is another story but someone majority of VTuber audience had no idea who and how she was, was "hidden".

>>102144171
This is just sad, not even a small corpo would want to say "We don't care about the IRL audience."

>>102140454 (OP)
Was fun while it lasted. Who will claim the whorecorp of twitch title now?

>>102144249
Gigi was 10 viewers away from being a 2view

>>102144337
You're not answering the question, why does VShojo need to do concerts?

>>102144359
holoen unironically

>>102144446
I'll repeat the question and make it more clear for people with poor eyesight/ESL:
Who will claim the whorecorp of >>>>>>TWITCH<<<<<<< title now?

>>102144337
Vtubers shouldn't care about IRL anything, they're Vtubers.

>>102144446
HOT BITCH

>>102144488
Twich has always been for flesh faggots, and the fact that you can cross stream post some dumb faggots emotes makes it garbage

>>102144488
Holo is on twitch famalam

>>102144406
NTA, but the same reason as every other corpos: it shows how popular you really are. Making money is a nice bonus, too.

>>102144488
ERB

>>102144538
Not him but do concerts actually make money? Thought it was basically a publicity thing and they barely break even during them

>>102144538
But vshojo isnt popular... Ironmouses "concert" got mogged by some ai indie

>>102144538
>we do concerts because it shows we're popular
You might be retarded

>>102144406
They may as well not need these low quality 3D singing streams at all with this saying.

>>102142479
The real stats is even worse because there are some agencies bigger than Phase in non-EN markets not included there.

>>102144561
If the concert sold out in a large venue and it doesn't over-spend then you will be in the green. Holo and Niji are basically immune to this risk, but not indies and other small corpos because it is not guaranteed to sell out your concert

I doubt that Lollipop concert was profitable because there was no offline venue and the ticket was basically tier 2 or 3 of membership content (and I can imagine most, if not, all of fans cancelled the membership soon after since VShojo does not post any new membership content since). And unless VShojo commit free labor on their staff, there must be cost in making it work

>>102141084
It's the second one. You have no idea how bad things really are.

>Phase continues to win by doing nothing.
Which is wild because I never would have thought phase would have the most stable chuuba group.

>>102144806
FYI, the membership tier that they used for tickets is $30

>>102144859
Didnt Dizzy just have a mental breakdown the other day over how bad things in the corpo are

>>102144924
That's just dizzy's baseline

>>102144587
>Making money is a nice bonus, too
Why did you ignore the other part of what he said?

>>102144887
Damn that's somehow worse. I thought they were gonna price it on at least the 60-80 dollars range, but they really cheaped out their concert. No wonder there hasn't been a second one since

>>102144977
Things must be really bad in phase then. Did Kana leaving have that much of a impact?

>>102144446
she can't dance a shit kek.

>>102142588
This is a good thing. No one worthwhile likes these whores anyway

>>102145035
Things are so bad in phase that vshojo is collapsing ahahha

>>102144990
That's more than a 1 day Fes ticket costs, no way anyone would pay that for a concert that is objectively lower quality than Holo's and only has 11 talents

>>102144987
>nice bonus
It's the primary purpose you fuckin' idiot

>>102144859
And whenever something does happen, the dramafag channels on their payroll (all of them) will just turn the other eye.

>>102145178
Man must be so hard to be american and vshojo

>>102140454 (OP)
Director of talent? What dictates Vwhorejo talent? Their talent to take cock and backstab their coworkers?

>>102144924
thats literally my point. all of the girls constantly have mental issues and threaten to graduate. and yet only one graduation and one termination.
meanwhile companies where the chuubas "pretend to be one big happy family" on their main have gradutations and terminations left and right

>>102145228
Because the company is made up of 90% literal WHO, unless they can join a bigger corporation, Phase is a low-tier company that offers no real benefits from graduating there

>>102145396
Phase is better than vshojo though, they have coffee and vshojo only has debts

>>102141084

>>102145143
I wouldn't use HoloFes as an example for a Western concert ticket standard because the yen is dogshit. If I want to compare, I would use Western concert tickets for more objective comparison, like Nimi and Dooby concert for example

>>102141124
i am starting to believe that ironrat is grifting hard.

>>102145680
always sabotaging

>>102144096
fucking retard.

So why did mysta join vshojo again?

>>102143723
>>102143779
prove me wrong instead of samefagging with cringe zoomie containment breaker memes

>>102145767
Only place he can be a fag, fleshpost, and not stream.

>>102145767
to filter the crazy ass Chinese fujo fanbase he had. They were calling his mom at work.

>>102145601
Funny because thats what they consider their real competition. Meanwhile fuck numberfags Phase doing its own thing.

>>102145822
So being Happy then I get it

>>102145881
he can't be happy on his own? lol

>>102143821
Gigi ran with some pretty well known fleshies, hardly an unknown. She was in that western Asian streamer clique.

>>102140454 (OP)
vshitshow has been dead ever since nyanners, veibae, and some other one left
same way nijien is dead, it's a slow process but it's a sure downward spiral that is only slowed but not averted as they sucker in new blood like pikami

>>102146048
no she was not, she was friends with scarra and thats it that doesnt make her "known"

>>102141711
Why do dumbasses keep trying to rewrite history, Coco left because the Chang invasion was crippling everyone and Hololive also wasn't allowing her to do anything she wanted (probably out of fear of chang uprising and partially it being to "yabai and western for their poor sensitive Japanese brains", She still talks to and on ocassion does streams./videos with holo tallent (DD, Guutara), She was never at war with Hololive and just prefered that VSJ was way more laid back on content.

THEY RUINED HENYA AND THEY KEPT FROOT THIS COMPANY DESERVES TO CRUMBLE

>>102144538
Not really, you show how popular you are if you are able to sell a product, a concert is a product, one which production always puts a higher price, thus they strive to sell as much as much as they can. Other products are unironically merch.

>>102141711
she likely managed to negotiate a better deal than most, without shit some other members couldn't accept whatever it was. She and IM likely have the best deals, fuck the rest.

>>102142282
you mean IM will leech from someone again

>>102142639
fuck off Proctor your rrats are dumb

>>102147811
>>102147838
>IM
hello saar

>>102140868
>>102142639
>Yagoo mentioned Mouse a while back
>All the Michi and HoloID collabs
>Mouse and Mori music collab might actually be on the table
What if it's not Brave Group?

Can someone explain me what's Ironmouse obsession with Connor?

>>102148176
love

>>102148176
She needs him to keep her viewership up and maintain relationships with other flesh streamers.

>>102148176
They're a couple, obviously. Probably engaged.

>>102142088
Vshojo will get saba and nimi, dooby is still on a contract with Cover so probably not her.

>>102140454 (OP)
Literally who cares. That said if Ironmouse gets some kind of Google Dockey /vt/ would never shut up about it.

>>102142348
twitch is dying as we speak

>>102148425
again sister why do you keep projecting your fantasies in this Chinese basket weaving forum

>>102148536
no it's not.

>>102148071
>>Yagoo mentioned Mouse a while back
That's because Mousey is factually top Western VTuber anon. Of course he would take notice
>>All the Michi and HoloID collabs
Wow almost as if these Indo girls were friends back when NijiID still existed
>>Mouse and Mori music collab might actually be on the table
"Might" is a weak statement anon. Either give me proof or your rrat stays as a rrat

Also why the fuck would Yagoo spend money on buying other branches. Their core selling point is the media stuff and HoloEarth. He is not gonna spend a dime on nepo-hiring

>>102148548
What am I projecting? Is it even a bad thing? They're joined at the hip. Maybe one day they'll finally make the announcement, but it's clear they aren't just friends.

>>102144446
that was the reward she promised from the start, also stream TASTY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5k5yScMWDc

>>102149256
How close is it to the Mint dance?
>>102148579
NTA but it's just a fun thought experiment, like what if Mint joined Hololive, etc. She's never going to and she's made it very clear, but what if?

>>102145767
because Gunrun their CEO pimped him to do it, he was personally looking into his taxes to save this fag from jail for tax fraud he committed while in niji kek

>>102148613
pretty sure that fuckboy have a gf, probably much younger than him and in Japan not bubble house.

>>102146595
Had she waited long enough that would have passed. It's only a matter of time before retards lose interest and chase the new shiny thing to get angry about.

>>102149413
>Had she waited long enough that would have passed.
It had been nearly a year since she could actually work properly, anon.

>>102145112
NIJISEETHE and die mad about it, sister.

>>102142585
they were already at 0.7% a few years ago, they're actually receding. that's why the browns on this site lash out constantly

>>102148566
it's losing market share all the time

>>102150946

>>102150946
you said it was dying

>>102142668
Don't streamscharts only monitor Twitch? Surly phase would be bigger if they counted their YT following too

>>102140454 (OP)
Main rumour I see is Vshojo shaking things up and pushing founders out for people who will be more accepting of their new business strategy and model.
Talent leaving is indicative of them changing how they manage contracts where they do something similar to Phase Invaders and the IP belongs to Vshojo for the contract duration.
Possibly starting to hololarp by introducing fully owned corpo style gens to the company. Some of the recent graduations possibly being part of one of these gens.

But you know, rumours.

>>102151300
blindchama

>>102151532
If VShojo starts exercising their IP rights, they will lose most of their supporters overnight. That is literally their only good point right now

>>102148579
>That's because CookieSwirlC is factually top Western VTuber anon. Of course he would take notice
fixed that for you

>>102151532
>rumors
Coming from where? Your post is just about the only place where i've seen this "rumor"

>>102142282
>and pick up some major content creators
who? people have noticed that they ALWAYS had merch issues, then claimed to fix them, only to have merch issues again. I don't like the roach but her firing showed they aren't fine with a chuuba having substantial 3rd party merch.

>>102141380
I hope henya doesn't after backstabbing Zen.

>>102141926
Glitch Stars is rising from the ashes of western vtubing.

>>102142451
only scam corpos will touch sayu

>>102151746
I think you are overestimating on how much the common vtuber audience care about ip rights. for the talent sure, it's worse for them, but I can imagine the new EN from the auditions are willing to relinquish some ip rights to have more then 3 viewers. desperation is common for those streamers and joining a very strong brand will be worth it for their careers down the road.

>>102151532
If they wanna own the IP then they have to remove this first from their main website, though the act of doing that is equivalent to Yagoo announcing Hololive is no longer an idol agency

that a nice bait thread. sadly, I'm not going to read any of it

>>102144257
they're actually camwhores

>>102143148
now try a bit further away

>>102151992
No I'm not, if anything, (you) are UNDER-estimating the situation here. What are the responses towards the VShojo criticism after they lost Zen? "Well at least Zen, Geega and Matara got to keep their IP". That is literally their only way to deflect the criticism towards VShojo, and it fucking worked

If Gunrun decides that it's time to move to IP ownership model, he will lose more than just members. The members have the upper-hand here and they are gonna show what is the true meaning of "talent freedom"

>>102145178
you aren't supposed to be noticing things lmao

>>102152099
we both know the current ip ownership model is currently unsustainable for vshojo to become profitable. their only revenue is from sponsors and merch cuts yet, because the girls can leave anytime they will simple make more money because they can reach out to the same sponsor solo, sure ppl on twitter will complain, but it won't stop them from watching the new talents if they are entertaining enough, which is what vsj is currently banking on

>>102148176
leeching the (usual suspects)

>>102140733
Vshojo was never profitable, they sole rely on the $20M investment from outside investors

>>102140502
neck yourself windy you obese retard

>>102152207
VShojo being unprofitable is nothing new. We all know that members owning the revenue means the agency itself will not get much money in return. This was not the problem before because at the end of the day, VShojo only played the supporter role for "indies"

I don't care how VShojo wanna earn more money for themselves. But if they choose the IP ownership route, they will commit career suicide, because "letting talents own IP" is the sole reason why people still support VShojo. Now imagine the rage when they announced kson or Mousey has to sacrifice her model if she wanna leave. Twitter rage is the least of their concern

>>102152291
show him how it's done

>>102140454 (OP)
I am comment number 310 and I am here to end this thread's misery

VShojo L, more at eleven

>>102152367
mossad ran out of money
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>even r/kurosanji is nooticing how much of a scam-farce their fake "auditions" are
oof

>>102152526
>the phasefag clubhouse does phasefag things
wow

>>102152515
wrong agency

Is this "sharing my phasnig phantasy'' thread? Some of the posts are wild, I want to have what you're having.

>>102152625
idol was funded by a different agency, so I get to cast
>NO U

>>102148176

>>102152695
yuck

>>102141834
>niji
they'll be fine. not nearly to the level as their former peak (luxiem/noctyx era) but they'll stay afloat.
>brave
the hydra will just keep adding small corpos as extra heads.

>>102152679
As opposed to what? the Chinese crypto coffee selling psyop company?

>>102152860
no, retard, idol was coasting on state subsidies until netanyahu started wars to avoid going to prison, so idol ran out of money, got sold to brave and became chromashit

>>102141124
AIIIEEEEE

>>102141466
>Not shion is seriously joining this sinking ship?
You're extremely behind the news. No she's not. That was just a coincidence

>>102142479
Mythic viewbots.

>>102143461
>Okay. Who else? Practically everyone else were well known names, be they vtubers or fleshies.
It's not worth debating with you because you seem to believe that 3views, be it 200 viewers or 700 vewers, all qualify as popular streamers.
Meanwhile it's semi-well-known that notCeci wasn't able to make ends meet as a vtuber before joining Hololive.

>>102153175
both twitch corpos (mythic and vshojo) have builtin bots

>>102153175
>>102153199
let's not go that route

>>102153348
cover doesn't have direct personnel ties to yt/alphabet inc so it's not the same animal

>>102153441
Still fake numbers and bot Indian fest. Be it cover, Anycolor or any nip company.

>>102153472
>loses the argument
>resorts to racism
vkeks and phasekeks are truly the same kind of /pol/vermin just different side

That’s cool and all but I just want to get creampied by Kuro Kurenai

>>102153348
No I think I will go that route.

Mythic talent heavily viewbots.

Go watch the chat, he's live right now.. There are 20 people here max. It's all astroturf.

39 gifted subs in a month. That's the top donater in a chatroom of 1500.

The agency itself uses embeds. It's ASTROTURF.

Ask yourself why his twitch presence is 4x all of his other social medias when conversion rates are so ass. bots.

>>102153893
1k viewers that's cute. Here's 70k , 80k, 50k fake viewers. This would never happen on twitch. Especially on a daily basis.

>>102142282
>they're dropping dead weight.
Actual vshojofag here. Panini was NOT dead weight. She was one of the few visible staff members and she was incredibly well liked by both talent and fans.
Panini leaving is bad.

>>102153975
I don't care about your schizo charts and whataboutism. I care about letting people know that mythic talent viewbots. They also have a cartel stranglehold over sponsorships, The founders chased redbull out of sponsoring world of warcraft because redbull realized it's all astroturf. They are funded by nightmedia They use Embedly to viewbot.

Asmongold was never mad at fextralife for viewbotting. he was mad that it was obvious.

Oh and fansly is owned by the austin streamer cartel. They lied about why fansly banned furry porn, It wasn't payment processors, It's because the owners didn't like it.

Screenshot this post. I will be proven right.

>>102141380
>hope Michi, Henya and Melody at least make it out alright
Compared to what Michi had to deal with at her previous place, this is probably a nothingburger to her

>>102154138
makes sense in general that what's really going on is background pressure from baldman's not-corpo for dominance on twitch's vtuber space.