Thread 102148650

OHHHH SAYYY CAN YOU SEEEEE

>>102148650 (OP)
Yeeeah I haven't bought holo merch all year. It's just been so goddamn fucked.

>>102148650 (OP)
>Buying two sets
???

>>102148650 (OP)
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos

>>102148650 (OP)
have you say thank you once?

>>102148650 (OP)
christ almighty i’ll just stick to voicepacks

>>102148650 (OP)
Why shipping is always expensive???

>>102148916
they ship stuff in boxes 5x bigger than it should be

>>102148916
For the US?
It was bad before, but our country started a huge tariff on Japan for no reason and now everything costs like double the original awful price to ship here.

>>102148650 (OP)
>doody fee
hehehe

>>102148650 (OP)
The Demoncrats did this

>>102148916
They don't bulk ship this stuff and instead you pay for express air shipping in 2-3 days

I voted for this!

>>102148650 (OP)
How could Biden do this to us?

>>102148650 (OP)
Fuck Reagan, man

>>102149246
Based retard

You lost tranny

>>102149066
That's duties, not shipping
>>102148916
DHL got rid of the cheap shipping method that Cover was using and also raised prices by about 12% and Cover is too retarded to switch to a different service

>>102149246
Based migatard

>>102149329
Why are trannies constantly on your mind? Are you obsessed with cock or something?

>>102149329
And they missed, too. Seems they are only good at joining the 41%.

>>102149329
We all lost, dipshit.

>>102148650 (OP)
BASED IRYS ENJOYER. Dewit

>>102148704
she told me to buy two, one for using

>>102149329
Now is not the time for your penis obsession anon

So just $50 more on a $200+ purchase? Is that what IRyStocrats are jumping to blame that she's not instantly selling out?

>>102148650 (OP)
What happened to the whole Cover USA thing? They were supposed to start producing merch in the US.

>>102148650 (OP)
as a beaner I'm paying the same

>>102149066
You're a retard. Have you actually bought merch before?

>>102150868
That was not the purpose of the office, unless you want to pay even more for your merch

>>102150981
at least it's for the overpriced merch and not very overpriced shipping

>>102150771
Here's how much 1 set costs

>>102150965
Here, anon. I took this right now.
A 25 dollar plush costs 61 dollars due to shipping and duties.

>>102151166
What's your point? Shipping has always been fucked if you're a holofag or a nijifag. Don't be a holofag or cry to Yagoo to do better. He's had four years to sort out the shipping and did nothing.

I didn't vote for shipping to be expensive, can I vote for DHL to stop overcharging?

>Hololive made a move into america our merch is gonna be so much cheaper now !
>What they actually wanted to do in america

>>102151656
The point is that it got worse, anon. Before it was bad, but now it's BAD BAD to the point where I won't buy it.

>>102150981
You really overestimate how cheap Cover's merch is, or how much more merch would cost manufactured from alternative sources. But keep making excuses for Cover to not do anything and keep crying about forces outside of your control.

>>102151656
>dude $20 duties is the same as $200 duties
fuck off

poorfags BTFO. this hobby isn't for you.

>>102148650 (OP)
>130$ for shipping
What the actual fuck? Do you get a cute girl to suck you off when he brings the package or something? It's like 23$ delivery in the EU and they're adding a random-ass 31$ in tax as well?

>>102151916
the tax at the bottom depends on your state/city

>>102151972
What is that tax for though? Don't you already pay taxes on your paycheck?

>>102151740
>I didn't vote for shipping to be expensive
You were warned multiple times that this was going to happen from the direct source himself

>>102152035
Sales tax is imposed by states. There's no nationwide VAT like other countries. Some states also have income tax. Used to be online retailers didn't have to bother with sales tax for the customer's locality, no there are annoying rules based on how much business you do in that state. So someone from Montana won't pay sales tax because Holo doesn't sell much merch there

>>102152303
*now there are

>>102151755
Reminder that this faggot is so insanely schizophrenic that he can't even explain his own rrats (check the replies to >>102082811)

>>102152303
>Sales tax
But you're already paying sales tax to Japan, the place where you're actually buying the thing. It doesn't really make sense to me anon at what point does your state come in and ask for money here? "you bought something so we need a cut even though we're not involved at all"?

VAT also doesn't apply here at all, since there is no "value added" and even the difference between the products' worth and the vendor's price is already collected in the *actual* sales tax the company you're buying it from is already paying. Why is the customer paying extra tax on top of that to a third party that was never involved? Sorry if this is a bit of an obtuse question but I can't really wrap my head around it here.

>>102152372
What is he even suggesting? Mandatory office parties are perfectly quaint, is this some "aha they are made to have le sexo!!" porn-brained idiot or something?

>>102152415
I have zero clue, I asked him twice in two different threads and that series of replies I linked is the most he'll say

>>102148650 (OP)
>It would cost me almost half of this if I were to order it here right now
Damn that's fucked.

>>102152415
>>102152372
Better question, how can he take that seriously when it's just a joke about the game's premise?

>>102152035
hahahaha... Yeah...
No america charges tax on absolutely every purchase. It's why you can expect a purchase that costs 59.99 to actually cost 65 bucks or something, which won't be visible until you see the receipt

>>102148650 (OP)
I thought burgers are rich. Can’t you pay this much for your oshi? Just save money on other expenses.

>>102152486
Yea that's one of those things that really bothered me when visiting America and Canada, here in Europe prices are wysiwyg, you don't have to try to figure it out in the middle of shopping and won't be surprised by extra costs at the register. It's just so odd for a country to be so excessively hostile to consumers.

>>102152554
We WERE rich...

>>102151768
that'd require cover to cut their margins

>>102152375
We're not paying taxes to Japan and Holo isn't paying any taxes to the US (except to the states where sales tax applies). Sales taxes are only collected at the point of sale and not baked into the price like with VAT (if you ship OP's cart to Germany the subtotal becomes 270 euro, France it's 280, Finland 290, etc). The state wants taxes for the same reason those countries want it: their infrastructure was used to move the product, they rule you and can do as they please, etc.

>>102148650 (OP)
Even if you remove the duties that shipping price is still fucked. Cover much bullshit the price and take like 20%.

>>102152570
Yeah, it's generally hostile towards its people in general. Everything is basically controlled by a few rich corporations that get paid by the government to do a job, and then they pocket it instead, charging the taxpayers extra to make up for it.

For example, Comcast was given money to give the entire country fiber internet, but instead they pocketed all of it and laid out nothing until Google Fiber became a thing, which resulted in them scrambling to lay fiber down in any area Google was. Most of the country still has horrific internet speeds that end up being worse than second or even third world countries.

>>102152646
>We're not paying taxes to Japan
Incorrect. Sales tax is included in the price.
>Holo isn't paying any taxes to the US
Correct. Why would they?
>Sales taxes are only collected at the point of sale and not baked into the price like with VAT
That sounds so very wrong, but I have no real reason to believe it isn't true for you... but holy shit that's so fucked up.
>The state wants taxes for the same reason those countries want it: their infrastructure was used to move the product, they rule you and can do as they please, etc.
This is represented by tax paid over the delivery/shipping process, something that is included in the price of delivery.

>>102152690
Shipping in EU is like 23$ dude.

>>102148650 (OP)
you know you can afford to spend a bit, right?
have you actually looked at the new tax brackets? most people are gonna payl ess so you can spend those savings on actual items instead of aids propaganda. also overtime and tips are tax free now too so you really have no excuses other than you don't really want to support IRyS and just want to ragebait

>The United States will raise the “reciprocal" tariff on Japan to 25% effective Aug. 1,
>The new 25% rate — which is just slightly higher than the 24% rate announced on April 2 — will be charged on almost all Japanese goods entering the United States.

>>102152921
you know de minimis still applies right? but i'm not surprised this is /vt/ after all. just a bunch of spiteful sisters trying to discourage hololive merch purchases

>>102152846
>Sales tax is included in the price.
No it's not, unless you mean Japanese tax and in that case it's not our business. Same would apply to Holo selling merch anywhere in the world. When they go and sell the product in Europe they have to take 20% or so and tack it on to the price. When they sell it in my state I get hit with the 9% at checkout.

Free shipping and no tariffs.

What was the reason for Cover USA again?
Why couldn't they source in the US for US fans?

Saba is doing what Cover should have done long ago, just for the shipping.

>>102152372
>>102152415
>>102152467
>>102152443
>Playing dumb

>>102148650 (OP)
>Still 790 units left for limited sets from the initial 1500 units
>After an entire 3.5 hours since merch went up
Uh oh holobros, are we getting another set of merch that can't manage to get sold out again? Indies are laughing at us

>>102152978
>When they go and sell the product in Europe they...
No. That's the thing, they don't. At all. America is being exceptional and weird about this anon. Why and how would a European country tax a Japanese company? That'd be obscene.

>>102153055
I mean if you're an American I can understand struggling to justify the absurd price hike just so you can support your president's golf habits or tax breaks for the wealthy whatever it is the duties go toward.

>>102153096
How do you not know this? Any business selling physical or digital goods in the EU, including non-EU sellers, must collect VAT.

>>102148650 (OP)
this is what you voted for maggots, hope you’re happy

really can't help but notice how trump and vance positive this board was until they increased ICE budget
really gets my newrons firing

>>102153239
Browns and leftards might be mad about that, everyone else just wants their waifu body pillows to be cheaper

>>102148650 (OP)
Buy merch from Omocat instead.

>>102153149
I am! It's nice to level the playing field.

>>102153263
and it is cheaper when you consider how much more you're saving everywhere else
so literally only stupid people like you are complaining

Why is it that Geekjack has cheaper shipping and doesn't seem to have duties added into the total cost?
Still ~$53 in shipping, but no wonder things are selling out there when that's a third the extra cost compared to the official store. Unless they're just allocated way less limited sets.

>>102152554
I can easily afford it but I still don't like paying for nothing

>>102148650 (OP)
LOL. What is Cover's problem? Call this a business? If they weren't so up China's ass, they'd have adjusted like many businesses have already. Or, they just don't care for the Western fans?

>>102153315
Where exactly are the savings, anon?

>>102153315
>how much more you're saving everywhere else
oh cost of living is down? how much?

>>102153055
>initial 1500 units
Uh oh tranny newfag spotted
Douchinoka

>>102153383
how am i supposed to take idiots like you seriously if you don't even paid attention to the new tax cuts

>>102153125
My mistake, I worded that exceptionally poorly because I misunderstood something about the price... but if I go buy Irys merch in the EU right now I pay the same dollar amount as Americans do (the actual straight up price, which has VAT baked in) without any other random taxes added on top of that. So why is the standard price so high for Americans then, if VAT isn't even included?

>>102153453
Anon, I'm pretty sure the point there is that those tax cuts don't mean what you think they mean, and therefor he is asking you to clarify so they can make sure.

>>102149246
based MIGAchad, someone has to pay for hohols and kikes, might as well be lazy mutts

>>102153125
Strictly speaking they don't. They can - and in far too many cases do - leave it for delivery company and the buyer to figure out. And even for those that do bother setting up an IOSS, it's only up to 150 euros, beyond that it's back to buyers having to handle it.

>>102153392
Retard

>>102153125
>>102153096
He's saying it's collected when it gets imported in the country based on the declared value of the goods. It's the same as a sales tax but they're collecting it at the point of sales for American's which is actually more convenient because it means it doesn't get held up at customs like my merch does. I would happily pay the tax HMRC wants up-front if COVER/Shopify could organise that, indeed this is normal for some merchants but not others.

Why does she look like a kid on this Dakimakura. They butchered her baka

>>102148650 (OP)
my favorite third world country

>>102153508
not for much longer
at least unlike canada we're being proactive about our problems

>>102153576
What "proactive" thing are you doing or can you even do other than waiting out your retard in charge's 4 years?
t. leaf

>>102153454
The subtotal for OP's cart is $260, no tax included. In Finland it's 290 euro which includes VAT. Also 1 euro = 1.17 usd right now. If you disregard the VAT the actual merchandise is probably priced about the same

>>102153593
The dictatorship is already looking at potential ways he could serve a third term and skirt the rules that say he'd have to step down. Good luck to them. I don't think he's going to be one to just disappear at the end of his term.

>>102153576
True. We're about to dip into fourth world. Can't wait to pay 4x the price of a body pillow in shipping fees

>>102153593
dont worry we'll find time to squeeze in saving alberta too since we actually care when white people suffer

>>102153632
he deserves it after the blatant steal they pulled 4 years ago

>>102153576
you're becoming a russian colony right now
kek

>another stealth /pol/ thread
Phase Connect was a mistake

>>102153922
seethe sister

>>102153922
/pol/ itself was a mistake.
Man, this site would've been so much better if it just stuck to anime and related media.

>>102153625
260 EUR here at checkout., which is still a huge price difference considering there's still 31$ in sales tax for Americans, and that's ignoring the whopping extra 100$ in shipping.

>>102153366
because geekjack is a scam and you won't actually get anything

>>102152742
is it cockmast or a different ISP where you can't even get dynamic IP? in Europe it's standard.

>>102148650 (OP)
America is a shithole with no industry. They literally import everything from Asia and their economy is a giant pyramid scheme based on worthless paper money.
When the world decides to stop using the dollar and it crashes, America will face a crisis that make the great depression look good.

>>102153370
It’s not nothing. You are contributing to the treasury of your great nation.

What's more interesting to me is what these implications mean for EN as a whole and is orobably why you see a lot of members starting to REALLY push for sponsorships with random bullshit all the time. Cover has never focused on EU because the money primarily came from NA/US, so they have always spent the most time pushing to sell and show up there. Now that the US is getting hit as hard on the actual tariff stuff as a lot of EU countries and still has worse shipping costs somehow, I'm sure we'll see a strong decline in NA/US purchases that will bring it much closer to the EU level. SCing being a majority NA thing might stick around still, but the real moneymaker for everyone at Holo and Cover is merch.
That being said, where does it go from here? If you want to spiral into 'worst timeline' doomposting, it could easily result in Cover cutting down a lot on trying to push their nob-JP branch, and more talents focusing on drawing in JP fans like FWMC do. I do want to add that in regards to Cover never figuring out shipping in a reasonable manner to NA, they've also just been incredibly cheap in regards to their talents as well which is why it's unironically always been harder to be an EN member and doubly so if you don't make the move to Japan. This is the same company that can't even but lunch for event planning and mocap recording sessions, and the same company who don't pay for most flights to Japan for any of the girls living outside of it even though they profit immensly from a talent doing something in 3d which requires them to go to Cover's corporate office. They are weirdly frugal about random shit you'd think would be covered to incentivise the talents to want to make more product to sell with them, not less.

>>102155327
Adding to this, I just want to say this this is the reason you might see more EN members move on to being indies. Many talents have been very forward in saying that the majority of the money they make comes from their twice a year merch drops like this one for Irys. They have more control over the product and also get nore of a cut from it. Imagine if a decent chunk of your money comes from these goods and a chunk of the people who used to snap buy one or multiple just stop entirely because the shipping & tariff costs turn them off.
Looking at merch from Saba, Nimi, and Doobi, there's a very clear difference in where your money is going. Is it Cover's fault that they have to tack on all these fees to get you the plastic you really want to buy to support your favorite talent? Not ebtirely, but there ARE other options that they can look into but won't because they're locked into contracts and won't take chances of forfitting those contracts to try and keep a smaller group of fans over making it cost more for the domestic talent and fanbase.

>>102148650 (OP)
Thank you Kirsche, Rev, Legal Mindset, Smug, past Pippa and the like for this fucking bullshit so you could make a quick dime.

>>102155591
What does Legal Mindset have to do with this?

>>102152975
No it doesn't, did you forget that Trump repealed de minimis? Also did both (>>102152921) of you forget that it's not Japan tariffs that apply to Holo merch, it's China tariffs?
>>102153366
GeekJack gets like 75 limited sets, that's it

>>102155602
Anon . . .

>>102148650 (OP)
This is the reason Holo didn't have even more graduations than it did, by the way.
The US merch situation is so bad for Cover that they made compromises in order to reign in would-be graduates and avoid making their position even more uncomfortable. They were willing to tank the graduations alone, but not the double whammy from graduations and dwindling merch sales.

If you like Ina, Laplus, or Roboco, make sure to thank Trump!

Cover needs to do what it does for the EU, and make the purchaser pay for tariff costs on delivery. Stop baking the tariff into the cost of the item at purchase, because they have no idea how much it will be at time of delivery, doubly so because merch ships out 6-9 months after preorder. I woild much rather pay exact cost at time of delivery than pay whatever Cover thinks it should tack on now and have to pay even more at the time of delivery if it's more or lose my money to them if the cost goes down.

>>102155602
You don't seriously think his "legal" takes had any merit, do you? Jesus fucking christ what is happening in middle school in whatever country you live in if you can't even tell such obvious horseshit from the word go...

His entire MO is
>What is currently happening and what do people think about it
>How do I superficially agree with them while sounding like I know what I'm talking about
He might occasionally land on good sense with this method, but that is by accident rather than intent.

>>102154826
Brown

>>102155628
>>102155711
I knew literally nothing about him other than the Selen/Zaion stuff and the leaked Niji contract

>>102148650 (OP)
Was it worth electing the pedophile currently covering up his culpability in a sex trafficking ring?

Wanna talk about the implications of what higher tariffs might mean for HoloEN as a whole and the general approach to merch and sponsorships in the future for Cover with EN talent in mind because of the tariffs?
Nah, I'd rather just jerk off and make everything into a /pol/ discussion and crying about how much I hate/love x thing!
I hate you niggers so much.

>>102156138
they opened shipping to Europe just in time if you ask me

>>102156138
You should know that the catalog can't have a nuanced discussion about anything even slightly political, it will immediately turn into /pol/fags screeching at each other

>>102151768
>look at how cheap their merch is!
>$35 T-shirt instead of $40
The actual manufacturing cost per shirt in either case is likely under a dollar by the way

>>102156199
Yeah, we'll see if it has any real impact on what EU fans spend and if it sways Cover into venturing into the market a little more. Geekjack was previously the omly 'official' way to get merch in EU, right?

>>102156306
Yeah, that post is kinda baffeling, doubly so when Holo even works with Omocat and their t-shirts range from the 35 to 55 dollar mark. Most likely ink costs for designs that make a difference in price.
The only difference is when I order a shiet from Omocat and not the Holo shop, I can get it for $15 shipping and no tariff costs. Shit, maybe I should just go buy a replacement hoodie and shirt from Omocat to support EN talents instead.

>>102148650 (OP)
>merch is cheap chink slop
Shocker.

>>102156199
Who gives a fuck about Europe? You fuckers don't buy shit and don't supa. That's why you don't have a concert. Stop talking. You aren't relevant until you spent. SEA spends more money on vtubing than you people.

>>102156199
Who gives a fuck about Europe? You fuckers don't buy shit and don't supa. That's why you don't have a concert. Stop talking. You aren't relevant until you spend. SEA spends more money on vtubing than you people.

>>102152987
Saba is doing all the right moves; I won't be surprised one bit if she got an experienced manager working behind the scene

>>102157110
All of the Indies don't have anywhere near the cost on delivery that Cover does. They need to sort that shit out ASAP

>>102157139
What the fuck are you talking about? Can you stop making excuses for Cover?

>>102157144
Excuses? I'm saying they need to figure their shit out with delivery costs, because they're 100% locked in with production and that won't change. The least they can do is figure out how not to doubly fuck people buying outside of Japan.

>>102157110
you know they can't just ship a bunch of merch to the US and then ship it for free from there to customers right? why would saba ever have her merch produced in Japan> having a good manager has nothing to do with any of this

>>102155591
I didn't realize Kirsche and Rev had such profound influence over trade policies

Migger bros… our tariffs…

>>102148650 (OP)
What are the prices like for EU?

>>102157471
for Canada it's like 600 CAD total, which in USD is about the same as what OP is showing if you remove all duties

>>102156362
the same geekjack infamous for not delivering and not refunding either... I've waited for years for Holo merch without dodgy third parties like that, and now it's our time to shine

>>102157083
uh oh amerikek melty

>>102148650 (OP)
Paying for this means you are funding CCP. You make the China great even more

>>102156362
Dunno about real impact, but I started ordering merch since it's available and didn't do so last time since my only option was to go through some third party nonsense which I didn't find particularly trustworthy. Ultimately doubt I'm the only one like that, but we'll see if the actual number is significant enough.

>>102155889
Lets just say his take on the Selen situation was comically disingenuous (he had to ask his fucking chat about basic facts of the matter during his stream about it, bro couldn't even be fucked to do the most basic homework) and his reading of the Niji contract would make a first year law student cringe at the way it was read.

>>102159411
You aren't the only one. I'm the Anon you replied to and I kinda just stopped orderimg merch. To be fair, I'm kind of in a cooldown period anyways, but I'm sitting here looking at Kiara's merch feeling bad I'm not buying it even though I have for 5 years straight.

>>102153593
>51st State

>>102159442
Oh definitely.
He was still useful for PR anyways, which is what he was really there for.
Thankfully he's moved on from vtuber drama to chase the pest streamers like Johnny Somali instead, which is a far better use of his "skills" and a fitting target for him.

>>102155602
its how u know its a bunch if sisters who are still seething doki won and their black corpo that almost unalived her lost

>>102150771
$50 is really trivial all things considered
it's a small price to pay for everything else going right

>>102148650 (OP)
>2 sets
seems ive found your problem there, retarded op

I don't see the problem.
This is the end result of depending on literal slave labor to manufacture all that crap, that shit was bound to stop eventually.

>>102161871
>it's a small price to pay for everything else going right
Such as?

>>102148650 (OP)
You can buy a PS5 with this

>>102149128
Fuck Off Orange Man

>>102150771
DHL is also throwing in a $30 upcharge because of it. It's an extra $90 just evaporated.

>>102163344
Seriously though how the FUCK is shipping almost six times as expensive for burgers than it is in EU?

>>102163235
no games
>>102163344
even $90 is nothing
cmon now, if you're starving over not even a hundred dollarydoos you have bigger problems than not receiving two dakis. it's like what he said about dolls this christmas, you can survive with just one.
>>102163196
getting rid of people who Do Everything Idiotically for starters

>>102163810
Anon, I hate to break it to you, but they replaced DEI with DOGE, which is worse by such an absurd margin I don't even know how to explain it to you if you haven't managed to notice on your own.

Your hand is burning lad, take it out of the fire.

>>102163934
lmao, even if that's the best counterargument you have there's still 65 million other things going right
these are all small sacrifices we can make for a better tomorrow, focusing on small issues is counterproductive

>>102164007
Then surely you can name a few of those 65 million things instead of being so incredibly vague about it?

>>102163810
>even $90 is nothing
>cmon now, if you're starving over not even a hundred dollarydoos you have bigger problems than not receiving two dakis. it's like what he said about dolls this christmas, you can survive with just one.
why are you so disingenuous? its not $90 for two dakis its $180

>>102164007
No you are correct, they did a bang up job washing billions down the drain on ICE, who have been performing their jobs so well they are somehow deporting fewer people with more extreme measures, how the fuck do you even manage that?

>>102164436
Same reason why your merch is more expensive now. Corruption.