>Saba already losing viewers after two weeks from her debut
What's going on, kaniki?

>>102189188 (OP)
People realized her streams are not that interesting to watch besides for "Gura is back".
Also her design filtered way too many normies.

>>102189188 (OP)
It's like every stream is a 3D Live in views?
Just kidding, the others wish they received that many views.

>>102189188 (OP)
I hate that we always have to pretend like we're surprised that hype and cooling off is a thing that existed since forever. We can't just talk normally about this stuff, it's always cope and unrealistic claims.

>>102189255
Problem is that viewership is going to get lower and lower each livestream.
For now it's good but for someone who was one of the biggest vtubers in the globe losing momentum so early is concerning.

>>102189188 (OP)
She'll get a bit of a buff with the upcoming Dooby collab. Good luck to her after that.

>>102189188 (OP)
Everyone loses a chunk of viewers after a few streams, after the novelty wears off. Happened to Selen, happened to Fauna. Probably happened to Dooby and others too, didn't really check.
Besides, doesn't Gura want a small community? This is probably way bigger than she wants anyway.

>>102189270
We call them Holotards for a reason.

>>102189323
>Besides, doesn't Gura want a small community?
She never said that. She was tired of being the biggest representative of Hololive, since she was the vtuber of the company with the most subs, and take all the responsibilities that come with that title. That doesn't mean she doesn't seek for success in a different, more indipendent environment.

>>102189283
She hasn't lowered to what she normally gets in Hololive, especially with these titles.
Remember, ENRECO vod received only 180k views. Bet she's happy not being forced to do such streams anymore.
Plus these VODs will continue to get views for a long while.

>>102189247
Fpbp

>her design is DOGSHIT
Ftfy. The cunny is fine, but the ears and ahoge are excessive

>>102189402
nah, she went from main character design, to background character.

>>102189283
I know you're not used to VODs growing. That's not what happens to HoloEN.

>>102189283
>viewership
anon you don't remember anything about Gura lol

>>102189188 (OP)
Gura's success was a lightning in a bottle type of thing, in a time where vtubing was just starting to get bigger reach. Saba is doing pretty good all things considered but it was obvious for anyone who doesn't just watch Gura that she was not going to be nowhere nearly as successful.

>>102189690
Just the #1 vtuber in the West in record time.
She's going to do it again, the third time.
As an indie with no cut to a corporation. She's making more than in Cover.
But not as successful...

I hate that she still feels shy and scared, like she's still working under a corpo, and not like her more unhinged Senzawa self.
In her Mouthwashing stream she couldn't even read "I am sexually invested in cartoon horses" line. Stupid example, but shows you she's still very corpo-minded.

>>102189760
I agree with the rest, but I highly doubt she'll make more than she did at Cover unless she starts going business fish.
Seriously, it's crazy how she managed to be the #1 western vtuber twice, and the third one is already going gangbusters.

It's just Gura, but indie now. I don't see anything special coming. Same sorts of noncommittal games. Same sorts of non committal communication. It's just same old Gura

oh no she plays a bunch of random games that may not be for everyone so they don't all tune in ... its such a mystery i don't watch every single stream my oshi does as well if shes playing something boring i won't watch

>>102189188 (OP)
Design could've been better. Very generic. Very good rigging though.

numberfag not understanding she actualy enjoy having less chatter and normie getting btfo is her dream

>>102189860
Already a million dollars in sales on her merch. No cut to a corpo. And she hasn't released her plushie yet. Plus 15k+ memberships with only a third going to YT.

>>102190149
I keep hearing this argument and it makes no logical sense.
If she didn't care about things why even redebut with a new brand? She could've just redebut as Senzawa. But the fact she went as far as getting a new model, merch, emotes and other promo materials is enough to realize she does indeed want to be big.

>>102189402
Anon, it's a child. I have zero interest in children intellectually, physically or any other way. Why the fuck would I watch some adult play-pretend as a child when I could just watch a more "normal" vtuber that is actually visually appealing.

>>102190152
>No cut to a corpo.
There is a cut to the merch company. Does anyone know what cut they pocket from the sales? Kinda curious. Also, if her plush will be even half as good as DinoGoob, she's going to make a couple mil easy.

>>102190186
Delusional chumbuds just believe she is always sincere, when she made a whole career of playing up a character.

No, kanikis, she wasn't "shy" or "anxious" those were just the excuses she sold you to cover for the fact she had been ghosting you for months at a time over the course of multiple years, and it plays into her character of a shy insecure child that pedophiles adore.

>>102190149
>Yes, I love gatekeeping myself from more income and broader approach because, huh, "wanna own the normies"

>>102189247
>>102189402
>>102190224
>>102189425
I enjoy seeing that she Thanos snapped the majority of her audience with the pedo shit and the ones that remain are coping with the "n-normies just got filtered" as if losing a shitload of viewers by an unforced error is somehow a good thing. Karma really does hit people who deserve it

>>102190186
>She could've just redebut as Senzawa
Nta, but because Senfags are cancer, many of the ones screeching how they were always her fans and want her to be the "edgy, alcoholic, shitposting loli" again, have only seen a few clips after she got big. I'm sure she just wants a cleaner brand similar to Guras with the same fans.

>>102190286
Watch this clip and say that again with a straight face
https://youtu.be/_aEk__Ci4Fo

>>102190286
>insecure child that pedophiles adore.
Real pedophiles prefer real children. They are projecting by virtual signalling while watching PBS kids, teaching kids to use butt plugs, and trying to change their sex to their liking. They can't leave the kids alone. The truth is that most pedos work with real children, while virtual signalling on animated cute things. Pretty sure 90% of those projecting have something to hide on their hard drives.

>>102190445
>Real pedophiles prefer real children.
Which is remarkably irrelevant as they'll still readily get off to fictional ones, same as any other sexual preference.
>B-but muh LGBTQ
Epstein was trans? Trump too? Wow!
>I-its all projection, I have nonsensically decided real people would never be bothered by sexualizing fictional children
Cool story dog. Most normies won't even touch anime because to constant sexualization of younger (looking) characters, and will eagerly tell you that's the reason.

>>102190394
>Actress is acting
>"Nooooo she's really like that!"
Lol.

>>102189188 (OP)
I always get a laugh out of retarded posts like this. Feels like a chubbyemu vid.
>A Chuuba Debuted With A Cunny Model. This Is How Her Viewers Got Crabs. This is what happened to her brand.
>Saba is a 35 cm chuuba presenting to the livestreaming room with micromastia, micro meaning Small, and mastia meaning breasts, and megalykanikinumbers, megaly meaning enlarged, kaniki meaning crab, and numbers meaning viewers.

I can guarantee any vtuber you ever watch is going to have less viewers than on debut. The why is because a lot of people want to check out a vtuber to see how they are or what the hype is about but the vtuber doesn't appeal to them enough to become a diehard fan watching every stream. It's not complicated and it's not about what Saba did right or wrong. There is no such thing as a universally appealing vtuber or streamer.

>>102189188 (OP)
So like every single person ever? Who kept the same views they got on their redebut?
Are you retarded?

>>102190531
>projecting that cute animated characters as real children.
Such normies are the real pedos and need the FBI to check their hard drives.

>>102189188 (OP)
Look at the Desuwa girl now. This is what awaits Saba

>>102190625
>Strawmanning an argument that was never made and ignoring everything that was said
Concession accepted, pedo-kun.
>"P-projection!"
You mean this:
>"They are projecting by virtual signalling while watching PBS kids, teaching kids to use butt plugs, and trying to change their sex to their liking. They can't leave the kids alone."
Yea that sure was some projection, huh?

You guys should fight in a big arena or something. We could make a nice buck

>>102189568
vsj and phase being at peak activity during these hours is hilarious

>>102189188 (OP)
shit design, shit energy, shit streams

>>102190335
>Yes, i like being myself and having fun, regardless if that has less of a mass appeal.

>>102189188 (OP)
Without the Blue Triangle Seal of Quality, she is just another boring W H O

>>102190152
>No cut to a corpo
I swear you people keep forgetting that doing merch and projects as an indie makes you pay for the entirety of the production (and possibly management too). In all likelihood, she gets about the same (maybe a bit less) than she did before but she has to work for it more.

>>102189834
it's called growing the fuck up, a foreign concept for a subhuman like you of course

Compromise: All people who demand that someone's hard drives be searched immediately consent to having their own hard drives searched. Considering both sides do this, this should result in any guilty party getting exactly what they deserve.

>>102189188 (OP)
I have bad news for you sister...

>>102190545
Give me one good reason to believe you over her. Go ahead, I can wait for you to formulate your response no matter how slow your brain works.

>>102190345
stop projecting you pedophile tranny, kill yourself.

>>102189834
Maybe she's still under a corpo secretly. Aren't a bunch of youtubers under these hidden management companies that help out with stuff in exchange for a cut of the proceeds? It could explain why Saba is playing it so safe even after going "indie"

Pebbles are really upset today

>>102192751
She mogged their botted shitter once again, of course they are

Tourists are leaving, what else would be going on?
"Gura is back" attracts tourists, turns out she's just having fun isn't exciting enough for tourists. It actually is that simple.

I don't think Saba would mind. It seems like she hated having multiple eyes on her or being the constant center of attention. And it's not like she's doing poorly financially, she always makes bank.

>>102192069
Corpo drones have the wildest cope. Yes Im sure Hololive paid for all the production and took nothing. All the tens of millions of dollars the corpo brought in was magic money they conjured out of thin air without taking a cent from the girls!

>>102189188 (OP)
Her not streaming during the end of her hololive career was an incredibly smart move from her. It made people forget how tepid her content actually is.

A lot of Saba seethe today
What happened in Hololive?

>>102192496
>Give me one good reason to believe you over her.
Spoken like a true cuck

>>102189188 (OP)
She needs male collabs or else she won't survive.

>>102189188 (OP)
Time for react sloppa Saba

>>102195859
>Yes Im sure Hololive paid for all the production and took nothing
I'm not even saying that retard, read. Corpos take a cut and handle productions for corpo vtubers, while indie vtubers have to pay production costs on their own. They end up almost the same in regards to profits. But indies have to work for it more because they're either doing this solo or have very few people working as staff (that they also have to pay for).

>>102197870
Proof now
(you have none because your opinion is so retarded im shocked you can get passed the capcha)

>>102197865
>congratulations Saba you are the thousandth person to react to My 50 Cal Exploded.

>>102197634
Kanikis would unironically be into that

She is playing scary games, I don't want to watch that. I just want hear her talk and sing in the sexy baby voice.

>>102197634
I got a solution for that.

>>102189188 (OP)
- Honeymoon is nearly over.
- Dramafags weren't given anything so they left.

>>102198075
>(you have none because your opinion is so retarded im shocked you can get passed the capcha)
https://youtu.be/kvS0G6X5cFM
NTA but here's a pretty good example of what production costs are like without a corpo behind you

>>102189283
>For now it's good but for someone who was one of the biggest vtubers in the globe losing momentum so early is concerning.
she's burnt out, she's out of the rat race

>>102198075
That 's the reason corpos even exist in the first place. Are you that retarded?

Notice how the goalpost has shifted to "Sh-she always wanted a smaller audience guize"

>>102198273
Notice how you're still seething and melting down.
Didn't get any pagpag today?

>>102198075
>(you have none because your opinion is so retarded im shocked you can get passed the capcha)
https://youtu.be/kvS0G6X5cFM
NTA but here's a pretty good example of what production costs are like without a corpo behind you. Doki's AX concert cost around 48k for just the production.
This isn't counting counting flights, dance/singing lessons, etc. and just for the production itself, which will increase as she's going to add a few more songs. (The AX concert only had 7)
On top of this, apparently this is CHEAP for a concert, and one of her friends in the field said that it's common to pay double that.
This idiot paid for the entire thing herself to put on a show for her fans, but for something bigger scale like a typical Holo concert you can imagine that number to inflate massively unless you get some big sponsors.

>>102198302
Don't worry chumbie, she'll bring back the lack of streams soon to boost her numbers. Just like old times.

>>102198238
So no proof. Actual retard

>>102198363
I really do feel bad for your brown seanigger ass. Imagine having to eat literal trash to survive

>>102198322
Yet nimi and dooby paid pennies for hers and made pure profit because they're famous
Don't compare dookie with actual talent when we're talking Saba, those goalposts need to stay locked in okay?

>>102197870
The advantages of being in a corpo are possibly selling more merch due to status and advertising, and yes having someone do the legwork of dealing with manufacturers. But youre an actual retard if you think the talents are going to take home the same or more per item sold under a corpo. Cover is going to take more than the manufacturing cost because they want a profit margin.

>>102198458
You want me to provide the proof that your brain needs oxygen too? because apparently even that eludes you.

>>102198570
Still no proof. You can just stop now, retard.

>>102198516
...You know Doki and Mint used the same organizers as Nimi and Dooby, right? They didn't pay for that concert, either, but Oshispark did. Somebody has to pay for the production and venue.

>>102198322
We dont know the numbers but a bunch of Hololive members have also complained about needing to pay for their projects. Some acting like they were practically going broke doing so. It's just weird to see anons pretend Cover isn't squeezing the shit out of the talents like every other corpo does. Holoearth didn't fund itself.

>>102198604
And the talents didn't, meaning in this situation the talents won, not the corpo
Glad you agree.
Now imagine the #1 vtuber in the ENscene.

>>102198879
...What?
In the corpo, the talents don't pay directly for the concert, just like with oshispark.
As an independent, you're forced to either find a production company/organizer like oshispark or pay for it yourself instead of having it be handled by the corpo.

>>102198992
And the corpo just gives the talents this money?
Are you retarded? It's the same thing - except you don't get the corpo tax on top they take from the talents to make profit
You retards really don't understand basic economics

>>102198992
you should actually read the thread/watch streams
>>102198785
the girls lose out and then get the cover takes their cut as well.

>>102199140
Maybe you should learn English before you start talking about things you know nothing about

>>102198530
NTA, but if you're suggesting that Nimi and Saba make more than they did in hololive, you're a retard. One merch drop like, every 8 months will not suffice to compete with Cover's greed anytime soon. Therefore the corpodrone cope "They want more money" is incredibly retarded.

It was obviously a moral issue. What if I told you that they have integrity?

Forget this "playing whatever games you want" bullshit. She needs to get with the meta and start playing horseslop

>>102199290
She got filtered by the tutorial

>>102199172
im efl. you can stop deflecting now because you're wrong kid.

>>102199066
You expect the corporation to splurge for everything and not take their cut? Looks like you are the retard who doesn't understand basic economy.

>>102199066
>>102199140
wait a second
Are you trying to imply that Oshispark doesn't take a huge cut of the profits, too? Hell, Doki went into that part too. Apparently the girls did make quite a bit of money due to all of the merch sales (rather than the concert itself) but Oshispark took the lion's share since it was their project.

>>102199342
>ESL
Every time
Glad you conceded that the talents do lose out because of the cut versus Nimi/Dooby, you could have just agreed at the start

>>102199381
no, but no investment + pure profit is obviously better than:
girls invest, cover takes, girls get less as a result (there are a number of girls who have stated they LOST money on these projects despite cover taking a cut)

Normal Debut buff wearing off. Nothing new. Anyone who thinks debut numbers actually hold must be new and dumb. The real numbers are a month after debut.

>play indie psychohorror kusoge
>still hits 21k at peak
Also, her average, even as gura was 20-30k a stream. Also as Gura she could dip as low as 12k. It was all dependant on what she was playing you retarded shit throwing monkey.

>>102199508
Are you confusing concerts with MVs? Your case applies to MVs but not concerts.

>>102199508
Are you confusing concerts with MVs? Your case applies to MVs but not concerts.
If you meant the MV front, I agree with you 100%.

>>102189188 (OP)
I've already watched like 6 holomems play mouth watching when it was new. I'm not interested in seeing it again. I bet most people think the same. The lighthouse game was cool though.

>>102199773
Yeah, I got really invested. It was basically lighthouse Killer Frequency. Can't wait for the full version and I hope she plays it when it releases.

>>102199767
ah yeah i was

>>102199176
Other anon was suggesting the takehome on an individual merch run would be better under a corpo vs the same run as indie, which is retarded. But yes like I said. A corpo can help you sell more total merch to offset the (almost certainly large) corpo cut by spamming more runs and really milking fans. If an indie has integrity as you say, they probably are making less.

>>102199672
oh no, hes a seething number faggot.
>>102200065
This is one thing new gura is good at, milking the hell out of her fans, or scalpers, idk which, shes a good little goyim.

>>102197109
Holored collab

>>102200065
Not to mention that voice packs cost them nothing (0 sales commission & raw material costs), therefore they've been spamming them like crazy. However, the moral issues arose when the talents went overboard and released new voice packs every week to milk their parasocial fans.
Yes, Cover cannot force anyone to participate in their voice packs and ASMR merch, but nonetheless it demonstrates that those who do it voluntarily are only here to earn money and will do whatever management tells them, resulting in a hololive clique that is devoted to management ("things are fine as they are, stop complaining"). And the same goes for shill streams, you're basically scamming your fans with them.
As for Cover, they have lately removed a number of ASMR clips on YT since they're available for free, demonstrating how far they will go to milk their supporters.

>>102199817
>lighthouse Killer Frequency.
unoptimised shit. she turned off some lighting effects and her PC still ran hot.

>>102201028
That and the constant pressure behind the left eye crevass due to you not knowing
">>"
Aren't Doing You Any Favors.
Gaaangrape Axe Murder Party?
Sd(r)a(r)wkcab eseht gnilleps eb dluohs /

>>102189188 (OP)
>kaniki?
Tell you later

>>102189760
>Just the #1 vtuber in the West in record time.
>She's going to do it again, the third time.
How many gmail accounts have you made so far?

>>102189188 (OP)
>dooby: "my tummy hurts"
oh, no, she's going to stop streaming for 6 months too, she caught the gura disease

She's streaming too much, unironically. Her fanbase only want big event return streams

>>102189188 (OP)
>>102189690
gura recognized that she was a big shark in a little pond, so she left for the open sea, where she'd be a little fish in a huge ocean.

and she came back to 1.25 million subs.

maybe....not so little fish

>>102190224
>its a child
so saba, the one that can drink alcohol legally, is a child?
does that mean, saba, who's old enough to drink, can't consent?

can saba consent?
if she consents to any act, on stream, is that legally binding or does it get thrown out, as saba?

>>102189568
amazing

>>102207333
>came back to 1.25m subs
yeah no shit, everyone knew it was nuGura.

also, lol pedophiles itt

>>102214656
>also, lol pedophiles itt
>pedophiles
>of gura, a drinking age voice actress
can saba consent, since she can drink on stream?

>>102189188 (OP)
She's doing better than literally any other vtuber who has ever existed.

>>102214734
>can saba consent, since she can drink on stream?
no matter how many times i post this, no one ever answers.

can saba, the loli alcoholic, consent?

>>102189188 (OP)
I'm glad Saba overcame her alcholism. I'm proud of her.
The people that want her to drink again are retarded.
Your stupid socially acceptable poisonus drink is falling, and that is a good thing

>>102198145
phase fan falseflag

>>102217122
Unfortunately alcohol seems to be rapidly being replaced by weed, which is basically the same thing except it smells like poop. Seriously every time I smell someone smoking weed it smells like poop. How the fuck have I never heard anyone complain about this as an argument against weed?

>>102219365
Ugh, I dislike that green plant too
That smell argument is also thrown against regular smokers, and is a good point, but unfortunately, they (smokers) seem to have lost their sense of smell
I don't understand how they cannot smell that

I hope Saba avoids any drug, really,
Healthy Saba is a Happy Saba

>>102219625
I would emphasize that weed has a particularly bad smell though, I certainly don't enjoy the smell of cigarettes and make a point of staying away from it, but in the end it is just a smell of smoke. I want to get away from it but I don't want to vomit just from smelling it. To me weed is on a whole other level of bad with the poop smell that is mixed in with the smoke.

Straight edge trannies are just as annoying as woketards

>>102189247
This, people don't care about Gura anymore. It's not 2020.

>>102189188 (OP)
This was the most overhyped debut in all of vtubing, sensationalist /lig/gers and dramaturds quickly fucked off when they realized Saba is just an eloquent funny girl not the messiah that will single handly smash Hololive cumbutts and cunnykeks made her out to be.

>>102189428
Shhhh! Don't talk about the fact that half the viewers give almost zero shits about the talent and are completely loyal to the brand over the streamer.

>>102223799
Some just take a long time to realize that