Thread 102208153

>Raora
Zatsu streamer who can't really talk that well. Carried by her art and nationality, but does makes it up by streaming a lot.

>Cecilia
Tries to do everything but doesn't get anything right. Complains too much and has been lacking streams. Most disappointing one.

>ERB
Never streams and half the time she does it's with a homo. Low hanging fruit, everyone saw it coming from day 1.

>Gigi
Can easily filter people due to her voice and zoomer personality, but is the only one who found significant success. Very good social skills and loyal fanbase.

Overall, 6/10. Not good, but not terrible.

love GG, love CC, love raora.
(i'm steeping a cup of tea from GG's sweaty spats right now, shit's so cash)

>>102208265
based

>>102208153 (OP)
Just on time!

>>102208153 (OP)
the gen that made me gave up on holoen

>>102208636
Did they also make you give up trying to learn english?

>>102208865
uh oh melty

>>102209007
Repeating phrases you see here won't make "you engrish" sound more natural.

>>102209095
i don’t care

>>102208153 (OP)
if you dont wanna get ear cancer then maybe watch gigi on mobile, otherwise have fun in chemo

>>102208153 (OP)
Sounds like advent

>>102209151
A tip for you my brown brother, google "grammar checker" and use any of the first results to make you sound like you actually belong on the internet.

>>102209269
i don’t have to. i’m still going to post here and you can bitch about it all you want.

>>102208153 (OP)
Advent was way better, Justice is meh.
CC was a disappointment in the end even though I like her the most personally. So many broken promises, otocranks are dead. I see CC graduating within 3-5 years.
GG's voice and personality became grating to me but I think she was the standout success overall due to integrating well with everyone. She could still have another asexual-type fuckup in the future
Raora can't speak English which filters me, she feels like ID
ERB doesn't stream and now does twitch RP with people I don't recognize, barely feels like a Holo.
Hope EN5 is better.

>>102209298
The little brown hands that could. I'm rooting for you!

>>102209298
Then we will continue refering to you as the third world monkey that you are. :)

>>102209431
I second this.

>>102208265
cringe

>>102209431
I feel like CC only works well in collabs, it always feels like she's grasping for something when solo. I hope she sticks around if for no other reason than the occasional autofister or full gen collab.

GG's asexual post was baffling, but it seems to have changed absolutely nothing, she's still a hell of a lot of fun to watch, if only in short bursts.

Roara's english is perfectly comprehensible, and her ESL-ness is a charm point, I will hear no argument on this. I will never understand people who don't like it. She's a little goofy, a little flirty, and leans into "the bit" the perfect amount, and maintains a nice balance between art zatsus, gaming, and the occasional attempt at ASMR. Personally, I cannot think of another EN that embodies what holo ought to be better.

Ditto on ERB. What a miserable waste.

CC: 9/10 - love her
GG: 5/10 - she's funny but her fanbase is actual dogshit and some of her mannerisms are annoying
Raora: 7/10 - most surprising for me given her past, probably my most watched in Justice since she streams more than CC
ERB: 3/10 - her only saving grace is that she's not as bad as Shiori, 3rd best EN singer

>>102208153 (OP)
>Ceci
9/10 - She's my kamioshi, but she isn't perfect. She's excellent in collabs, vibes with pretty much anyone very well, and is even stronger in solo streams. Funny, creative, goofy, lovable, cute, genuine, she's everything I could ask for. I wish she would stream more and longer, particularly solo, but I can obviously understand that she's busy and why she wants to play with a bunch of cute girls. Furthermore, I wish she would play into her strengths more. Using her violin for only 2 streams feels like a huge waste, and the same goes for not doing more music making and rigging streams, as well as not having an actual orisong yet. What is absolutely inexcusable, however, is not delivering the otocrank content she promised. People paid for that. In fact, they are still paying. It's just scummy to keep them waiting. It should be her number one priority.
>Gigi
7/10 - She has managed to establish herself as an excellent collab partner. She can be hilarious, but she often also kinda annoying. I like her in collabs, but I am not really interested in her solo content.
>Raora
6/10 - Seems very sweet and caring. She clearly loves her fans a lot, and does plenty of streams. I'm actually a bit jealous of Chattini for always getting included in artwork and stuff. I think her voice and accent are very pleasant to listen to, however I do find her content to be somewhat boring. She has her moments, and I like Raviolin, but I am not particularly interested in watching her either.
>ERB
0/10 - I honestly can't find anything positive to say about her. Homocollabing is the least of her issues. She is very irritating to me, and I regularly had to mute the stream because of her. Her intro alone is already obnoxious enough, but it's her behavior as a whole really. Everything about it rubs me the wrong way. I can't even bear listening to her sing. Her role as the leader of Justice doesn't help either, because all it does is make her look like a no-fun allowed buzzkill. Objectively speaking, she isn't the worst hire in hololive, but she is certainly the one I enjoye the least.

>Gigi
10/10, not much else to say
>Cecilia
5/10, nothing special.
>Raora
6/10, cute dumb big cat, but nothing really engaging
>ERB
Wtf?

>>102213848
>>102215984
>ERB
At least be honest and mention her singing. Yeah she's a one trick that's not as entertaining as her peers, but she's got some of the best pipes in Holo. I don't watch her solo streams but I do tune in when she does karaoke.

>>102216553
I did mention her singing. I hate listening to it.

>>102213848
>>102215984
>Ceci
10/10
>Gigi
10/10

Fixed.

If it weren't for Nerissa, Liz would be irrelevant. Which sucks, because Liz seems to be sabotaging herself. I see a cute girl in her but she doesn't seem to care.

>>102218438
>brown jungle shitter screencap
>the gays are ruining le internet!!
dengue should ruin your village’s water supply

>>102208153 (OP)
Liz is my fave, and the only real singer in EN. The rest are generic crap.

>>102218438
It's not a good fanbase

>>102208153 (OP)
I like Raora for being good friends with someone I like.
I like Liz's singing voice
Gigi and CC seem nice but not for me

I love ERB, I watch her a lot.
I honestly thought that Cici would be my favorite, but I slowly stopped watching her as often.
I liked Gigi in her debut but she got more and more annoying so even though I don't dislike her I barely watch her now.
Raora I like okay but I rarely stick around for a whole stream, I get a bit bored.

>>102208153 (OP)
somehow, I've jacked off to erb the most, is that strange?

Actual first group of Vtubers I'm following since earlier this year

>Gigi
10/10 kamioshi nuff' said. Changed my life for the better and pushed me to be more positive (this is biased). The cutest, good at supporting collabs and other Holomembers.
>CC
8/10, very fun and immersive. Best design in Justice. Despite being ESL, she's very good at bantering (hence her collabs being endless yapathons). I cannot catch all her streams due to timezones, but if I do it always goes from CC to GG
>Raora
7/10, very sweet, love her drawing streams. Stream times are all over the place
>ERB
6.5/10, only because she streams so sporadically. Killer karaokes. Wished she released an EP

>>102208153 (OP)
>Raora
10/10 just for the fact she's an artist who doesn't shy away from drawing herself sexy. Her pon moments are also very cute and her work ethics deserves nothing but respect
>Gigi
10/10, you can complain all you want about "loud=funny", but it's working and everyone in HoloEN loves her. Her interactions with Cecilia are also gold tier
>ERB
10/10, not everybody's cup of tea because she's not prioritising gaming streams, but her karaokes are always the best and in collabs she's very cute and pon with her whimsical attitude, especially with Nerissa. Her design is also top
>CC
10/10, some find her autism irritating, but for me it's charming and it's very fun to watch her when she becomes an Immerhater. She's also very creative, I'll never forgive her music composing or live rigging streams. And obviously Autofister is a 10/10 ship

Overall a pretty solid gen that's not as rough around the edges as it used to be in the beginning and they even got Kronii in their ranks. I'm looking forward to their development

>>102221796
Based Justice enjoyer. I felt like they also reinvigorate my love for Vtubers

>>102208153 (OP)
>Justice Final Thoughts after 1 Year
EN5 when

>>102221796
My only issue with Erb is she seems to be putting effort but it is not visible for her fanbase and other outside. She could have joined holo as an artist or something rather than whatever the fuck she is doing now. It could have opened up a position for some other interesting chuba.

With GG the whole lgbtq 20 year old cunts that parade her as lisan al ghaib is what ticks my fucking brain. Its like brats but even more retarded and insensitive cunts.

I love Cecilia so much

>>102208153 (OP)
I like all of them except for GG.
Raora is definitely the most hard-working member of the group, she streams very consistently unlike the others. I find the ESL very cute.

Cecilia has a lot of potential but she never gets to show it off, her collabs with GG are pretty well-liked though.

ERB is another potential, she is the best vsinger in all of HoloEN but she barely streams.

I just can't stand GG.

I agree with OP, 6/10. Very mid gen.

>>102208153 (OP)
I don’t really watch Raora and Liz (they’re alright just not my cup of tea) but autofister singlehandedly got me interested in hololive again after the trash that was and continues to be advent.

>>102208153 (OP)
>Raora
7/10
Decent comfort food I put on in the background from time to time. Sweet, comfy and caring. Similar to Ina and Mio for me.

>Cecilia
9/10
The only girl that has managed to get me fully invested in almost every stream. A playful opportunist who wants fun for everyone involved and is kind to a fault. People say she wasted her potential, but I wouldn't count her out just yet.

>ERB
N/A
I can't really say much because I haven't seen much. She just seems seperate from everything, but doesn't seem to do enough to stand on her own.

>Gigi
5/10
I actually watched her a decent amount. Then she cranked the brainrot and crude jokes up to 11. Takes some of the blame for bringing "Tiktok humor" along with its respective fans into Hololive.

>Justive overall
6/10
(Sorry CC)

>>102208153 (OP)
>GG
9/10, surprisingly my favourite, always hated the loud ones, but changed my mind as I watched her more. She is funny and an asset in collabs, and seeing how she is the breakout Justice member, I think I'm not alone in this. And is more importantly the most idolpill out of the gen in the way that idols inspires people around her, be it her fans or other Holos.

>CC
8/10, very pretty model. She's the la creavitidad of the gen but either poor time management or other factors hampered her potential abit. Good at zatsus, but gaming is not her forte. Also has good talking chemistry with lost of Holomems. Need to play music more or release more music oriented content.

>Raora
7/10, love her talk and draws. But I think she's unfortunate in that her speaking skills is sometimes hampered by her language. Still she is the most consistent streamer in out of the bunch rocky schedule not withstanding. Need to do more karaokes

>ERB
4/10, not a fan of homocollabs but more importantly has not stream alot besides karaoke. Also seems to be in a way in gen unity since they rarely have full gen collabs

>>102208153 (OP)
A big problem is that their personalities don't stand out as a group very well, they are less dynamic than previous generations. I give them a 2/10 because I can barely watch them without cringe

>>102208153 (OP)
Their numbers were bad because they were riding off of the hype of Advent's success, but I think cohesively, as a concept - as a group, it is collectively one of the worst that I have seen of Hololive

>>102226466
Elaborate? Compare say, how does Advent appear as a group? Or Promise? Myth? I'm not too sure what you're going at, a gen supposedly image wil never overshadows the members individual personality/image wise, and Justice has a lot going for them individually in terms of personalities

>>102221796
thank you, Justchad

>>102226565
They aren't unique enough as people, and their talents alone don't make them stand out, and having different cultures isn't enough to make up for group chemistry and personality

>>102226970
Simply, they don't have the aura that previous gens have, they feel like side characters

>>102226984
They are lacking aura

>>102208153 (OP)
If the rumors are true then CC will get way better since she will have a old friend in Gen 5. i think the problem with this gen is that the girls that they don't have a lot of chemistry together and the girls from other gens who on paper would go well with them either graduated or don't interacted with them at all

>>102227000
It's not something you can train a person to have, it is something that they're born with, a great streamer exudes an aura that captivates people; shiori lacks the aura too, but her voice is unique enough to where she brings a good contrast to the other members of Advent, her presence is not naturally charming or comforting though

>>102227041
Hololive should do more team exercises, so that collabs aren't as awkward, but I would argue that Justice is not that entertaining with solo collabs either

>>102208153 (OP)
Not going to lie: between the total lack of ability to blend in, and the boneheaded nature of every one of its members, I don't think they're an effective law enforcement unit. In fact, I think they've caused far more damage, legally, financially and emotionally, than any criminal(s) they were trying to apprehend. This is what our taxes have gone towards?

>>102226984
This is actually true, they don't seem like true holos in a way

>>102208153 (OP)
Another flaw with them are their designs: ERB looks like a red-headed Saber or Tohka (also like a red Nerissa), Cece looks just like Furina from Genshin Impact so her design looks uninspired, and, other than from her tail, Gigi's design is weak because the face and hair color aren't the most attractive. Raora easily has the best design, whereas every Advent design feels original and dynamic, and their designs seen to match, despite being so different. Everyone in Justice could be mismatched with someone from a different gen, they don't have a strong visual identity. The colors feels tropical, despite them being law enforcement. Nothing about them says "we are the good guys" - there should have been more of something grandiose and good to contrast Advent's dark, almost monochrome aesthetic, like a character with fake angel wing decals or something. Raora and Gigi look Halloween-ish and not like they would be heroes. There should have at least been a character with armor, but Shiori's aesthetic is knight-ly, despite being a prisoner?

>>102227638
*seem to match

>>102227280
Ah yes, the "{insert current gen} is ruining everything/isn't as good as the old thing" shtick. Classic.

>>102227706
I have never said this about any other gen, but Justice is collectively bad

I had no interest in holoEN until Justice (or more specifically, Cece) debuted, but now Autofister are tied for my second-favourite vtubers.
>>102209207
No one ever told me cancer could feel this good!

>>102227638
A lot of opportunities were missed, with "Justice" there could have been a member who was a judge or a grand executioner. Maybe Hololive needs more imaginative people working behind the Oz curtain?

>>102228020
Their designs are usually pretty good as in they look good, but sometimes they can lack creativity.

>>102208153 (OP)
Kill yourself nijinigger
/thread

>>102228020
They could've leaned into it further.
The four members could've represented the necessary attributes of Justice: Impartiality, balance, fairness, and power

>>102228340
If I were to attribute those things to each of them -
ERB: Power
Gigi: Impartiality
Cece: Fairness
Raora: Balance

What a miserable place this board is.

>>102208153 (OP)
>good
>bad
>bad
>good

>>102227041
End your life stupid ninafag

>>102208153 (OP)
Fair analysis honestly.

>>102228020
>Maybe Hololive needs more imaginative people working behind the Oz curtain?
Considering how they fumbled Mumei, I suspect they're just playing it safe and letting girls have fun on their own

>>102208153 (OP)
>Raora
7/10. She's fun but weird hours.
>CC
5/10. Doesn't add much to hololive
>ERB
7/10. Works hard
>GG
8/10. Not my thing but has had an influence on holoEN

>>102230703
Playing it safe is one thing, but you must admit, much cooler things could have been done with Justice? It feels like a waste

>>102231552
I don't try to understand the inner workings of HoloEN management since Fauna's graduation, but considering JPs have none of all that lore shit I suspect what little we have already is a low rank initiative that doesn't really have support from the top. It's all just a speculation, of course

the only ones that like gigi are either troons or mid 40 year olds in their midlife crisis that think they are so hip when a braindead women speaks in brainrot that is oversaturated and not funny

>>102228739
No shit?

>>102232285
>JPs have none of all that lore shit
holoX has it with their whole "criminal group trying to take over the world" schtick. I think what actually helps though is they only play into it during group events, and then they play into rather strongly but still only as a comedic bit.

I don't watch Advent outside of Biboo to really compare, but Justice as a whole just feels like what if Gamers was OkaKoro (Autofister) plus two other people and some cringe lore. Not a knock on Raora or Liz, per se, but the gulf between their group chemistries is fucking wide.

>>102232643
Vtubing companies should give us more than the bare minimum, it's like someone trying to wear a sexy police lady costume from a Halloween store and trying to convince you that they are real, despite the poorly stitched together pieces falling off

>>102221093
Not weird at all.

>>102208153 (OP)

Fuck your doomer shit, OP.

>Raora
great artist, great fun, great vibes, great times. Would cuddle all day.
>CC
Adorable accent, plays some great games, her capacity for hate is fantastic, top tier design, would watch streams.
>Gigi
You can hardly get a more lively streamer. Commits to some absurd bits, is the perfect mix of cute and annoying, life of the party.
>Liz
Fantastic singer, her rabbit streams are super relaxing and I feel like I'm listening to a friend just chat over a pint at spoons. Her collabs with the holostars are great because I love some of the stars boys, and she seems to really love roleplay, which makes a lot of the ENreco stuff from her quite entertaining.

Overall, I think the thing I like about them most as a group is that they remind me of how Ethyria was back in the day with the one dedicated mother and her three squabbling children. It's like that but more functional and less nijisanji.

Now take this cute art of them and get your miserable sad act the fuck outta my face.

>>102212486
I think shiori is better honestly

>>102209298
Casually admitting that you are brown and esl lmao

>>102208153 (OP)
Brownfags will never realize how funny cc and gg are because they do not understand any of their jokes kek

>>102208153 (OP)
k

>>102208153 (OP)
Raora is missing a brain, not joking, but at least she streams
Gigi was great at the beginning but getting boring pretty fast now
Same for Ceci, but Ceci is a lot more boring, is always late, does short streams and doesnt even stream that often
ERB was terrible since the beginning
Overall Justice turned out pretty weak after a while, but i may be biased since im pretty fed up with holoENs as a whole for lack of streams
Biboo is still the best and together with Kaela my favorite duo

>>102209298
saar

>>102230655
Yeah, I don't really agree

>>102208153 (OP)
Raora
keeps spamming mengens that's actually very unique in Hololive. Normaly you'd be lucky if you get 1 in a month.
ERB
doesn't has SC on and keeps spamming karaoke. Tries to expand to Twitch, I don't enjoy her but i can respect it.
GG is GG, a degenerate but she can also be claim and intersting
CC
Most likely to be the first one in Hololive Justice to quit.

>>102247997
Mumei just enjoyers

>>102238251
They were not how Ethyria was back in the day, aside from Nina, all of Ethyria were incredible singers, even then

>>102208865
no. but it never made me give up on ramming my dick in your mouth.

>>102208153 (OP)
>significant success
lol

>>102208153 (OP)

Raora
cute. funny. stupid (in a good way). great accent. good sense of humor, doesn't take herself too seriously. i often listen to her stream in the background while doing work.
CC
also cute but not as cute as raora. very cute giggle. some very high quality funny streams but other streams are boring/unwatchable
GG
>forced fauna and others to play league before her graduation wasting hours of collab time that could have been used for other games
>had a male (northernlion) appear in faunas stream tainting her legacy
>loud and grating voice. may as well be listening to a 13 year old boy
>humor is just sex/yuri/toilet humor
>0/10
ERB
i have literally only watched 1 valorant stream and 2 marvel rivals streams. decent at shooters (for EN standards). can sing very well though i still prefer rissa

>>102257281
raora = 5/10, do not care for her voice, design and personality aren't for me, find her boring, but she is good at art and a nice person
cece =3/10, nothing egregious, very boring
gigi = 4/10, good energy
erb = 2/10, good voice

>>102258217
Who's 10/10?

I really like GG and she 100% brings some good energy to collabs. It feels like she woke everyone up and collabs are no longer dry, slow, and boring like they used to be most of the time.
I haven't watched much of the other 3, but ERBs voice is good and her impressions are funny and often spot on because of her voice.
Raira is a big dummy that usually steps back during collabs if she can't really communicate all that well, especially in bigger collabs. She's a bimbo who is nice enough.
CC has a good sense of humor and can play into people well as well. She has a few cool talents, but I haven't watched enough of her normal streams to see if she capitolizes on them at all.
Overall, not a bad gen but no one outside of GG really captured me, and that's only because she's REALLY good in collabs.
If we're comparing to Advent's first year, I'd take Advent every time.
Myth -> Advent -> Justice -> Promise

I lyke gigi becuz she said shes asexual

I like ESL-isms, CC and Kiara are great, but Raora sometimes is so bad you can't understand it at all.

>>102208153 (OP)
I only watched Raora just because of her design and I find her decently entertaining. But I also adore ESL women so I might be biased. She also produced some very funny moments.
I only saw a few clips of Gigi, and I never watched Rose or Cecilia so I cant really judge.

>>102218589
This is something that fags and troons picked up from /pol/
>If someone attacks your group, just call them brown and you automatically win xD
Neck yourself tranny

>>102257281
>Whining about a married man
It's okay to be a unicorn, but you're being very pathetic

>rao
I don't even know what her voice sounds like
>cc
watched her debut, this seemed good, stopped watching her during her debut week
>gg
oh right this one also exists
>erb
good singer
>conclusion
It's great if you have fun watching them, or if you enjoy watching one of those. Everybody has a different taste in what he wants to see in a talent, so if there's someone for you, go watch her and have a great time with her.

People seem to forgive so much about someone just because they're in Hololive
Raora is so plain and boring but people are still giving her a 6/10, above average

>>102208153 (OP)
>Raora
Good. Too much jetpack jokes. Secretly really smart but she likes to act dumb. Pretty good gaming skills. ESL but in an endearing way. Fits her model and fits well amongst the other holomem. Horrible singing. 7/10
>CC
Has been streaming less lately but seems not to fond of Japan. Has German humor. Sings good but only in french. Great to have on collabs but a little slower solo. She has some fucked up things with her hands. Less ESL but also in a less endearing way. Fits well among other holomem 7/10
>GG
Energy monster, sometimes too much. Great collab partner but when solo she often talks too much about her weird mother. Does a lot of music stuff, i really like her HaiYorokonde cover. Great gaming skills. Fits well amongst other holomem.
>ERB
I truely wonder why she was hired and why she is still in Hololive. Her whole personality is dry and she has no chemistry with other members. Prefers to be on twitch (disgusting) and hangs out with Homos and E-celebs like RTgame, Connor and that CYfag, both on stream and offstream (see fes), rather than with the rest of EN. Has a good singing voice (not as good as IRyS or Nerissa) but is a one trick pony that solely does belting, even in song where it doesn't work. Only relevant due to Nerissa involving her in stuff, despite it being a horrible unenteraining duo. 2/10

>>102261938
>Raora
>Secretly really smart
I refuse to believe this