Why are they so obsessed with numbers? Subs don't even matter that much compared to CCV, what is this weird fixation they have?

>>102248019 (OP)
Because they are infected with the typical soulless jap mindset

>>102248019 (OP)
>>102248051
It's not for the love of the game, it's for the line on the graph. They were never true idols.

>>102248019 (OP)
>subs don't even matter that much
says who?

>>102248070
After one mil it isn't nearly as important as CCV. Kobo and Ollie are both past the 1 mil mark and you would never think that considering their viewer numbers

>>102248019 (OP)
They need to stop paying for bots, so they are trying to retain a decent enough number to do so

>>102248085
Clearly the japanese holos have a different opinion compared to you. And since they are the industry leaders, maybe they know better than you.

>>102248051
>typical soulless jap mindset
He says this while you see shit like this on every Twitch streamers overlay, all the time.

>>102248019 (OP)
They're livestreamers. They need to care about their numbers, it's part of the job.

>>102248341
Yeah liggers are hypocrites

>>102248085
It's literally their fucking job to care about it.
Sponsors especially don't look at views. They look at subs to decide whether or not to give you money.

>>102248051
Hololive is a business that is attached to numbers since it helps the company sell merch and sponsorship deals. Most of the talents chill out about that after 3 years but for management it's a business factor and they have even used subscriber numbers in advertisements.

Yagoo likes to collect play buttons and put them on his wall. 120 ten thousands is a weird milestone though.

>>102248019 (OP)
They have been stuck at 1.19 for a while, why did EN suddenly stagnate out of nowhere?

>the Japanese way of saying "one point two million" is "one hundred twenty ten thousands"
Pure retardation

>>102250102
The grifter dogs stangated after the Japan Arc when they showed their grift. Now the number won't go up so they're crawling back and begging for more subs. It's pathetic.

>>102250136
You use ten thousands until a hundred million, then a different one kicks in for that

>>102250152
EN is a dying branch.

Honestly they went from "wholesome twins being given a second chance story" to "extremely annoying hard to watch soulless numberfags". I've tried many times watching them and I've never been successful, they're like the teletubbies of the vtuber world and they're constantly numberfagging, it's kinda insane. How the tables table.

>>102251355
How did Shiori flopped that badly?

>>102251852
relax shiori schizo

>>102251355
>EN is a dying branch.
Those all honestly good numbers considering the average Holo channel gains about 10k subs every 30 days

>>102251355
Gigi is insanely low for how much visibility she gets. She's constantly on Mori and other bigger EN member's channels and reddit and twitter shitpost about her more than any other EN member. Hilarious that she hasn't been able to translate that into any subscribers or CCV

>>102252020
Gigi shilled her merch in 2 hours 1500 sets. She is doing fine. Go KYS

>>102252020
She doesn't have much mindshare.

>>102249187
>Sponsors especially don't look at views. They look at subs to decide whether or not to give you money.
TL;DR The Japanese are retarded and fail to understand how youtube actually works. More at 11.

>>102252557
I don't know who half of these people are.
Tachibana Hinano? Lauren?
Uruha?

>>102248019 (OP)
>>102248085
Wasn't a Holo talking about how Cover gives them bonuses or some kind of stipend, and it's based solely on what total subscribers bracket they fall in? That's why Kiara was shaking her ass in a hot tub for subs.

>>102252458
Uh-oh melty!

>>102248019 (OP)
When you're a 2view for years it never leaves your body.

You either end up chasing numbers forever or you get numbers but you get impostor syndrome instead.

>>102252557
>FWMC has more jp viewers than en
holy shit

>>102252654
>Tachibana Hinano
One of VSPO biggest star
>Lauren
popular singer from Niji
>Uruha
esport chuuba

>>102252603
And? Japan dominates the vtubing sphere. They lead the way.

>>102252557
I don't see Shiori here

>>102252938
Top 100. She didn't make the cut.

>>102252965
Oh...

>>102252557
Wonder how that would change if you also factored in Korean and especially Taiwanese viewers.

>>102252878
By historical accident and brand momentum. Not any execution of quality. The market will punish their arrogance in time.

>>102248019 (OP)
1.2M huh? That's cute.

>>102253288
Stop using the fishe to threadshit you falseflagging degenerate

>>102252847
oh interesting.
What's VSPO been doing that it's so big lately? I thought they were a solid #3.

>>102248019 (OP)
They are hollow so numbers is all they have.

>>102248019 (OP)
>subs don't matter compared to CCV
Can you fucking not leak out from your containment? Fuck's sake

>>102253265
>The market will punish their arrogance in time.
Bro literally the only western corpo than is not crashing and burning right now is phase

>>102253457
Nobody said about anyone in the West (let alone Phase) rising up in response to japs falling off. If anything, Phase will eventually fall off as well and i can't fucking wait.

>>102253261
Nothing changed.

>>102251782
With the most annoying fanbase after swarm beggars and chumpedos.

>>102248341
60% of 2500x5bucks , 7500 bucks per stream. Wow I hate women.

>>102253974
anon the sub goals are for the month

>>102253664
>Nothing changed
>Only JP Holo left in top 10 is Peko
>Subaru falls from #3 to $13
>Saba skyrockets from #15 to #1
>Nimi skyrockets from #97 to top 10
>Rest of Top 10 filled out by Promise/Advent
>Out of nowhere, Doki and Filian

>>102253881
>The seething Dravidian fanbase war beggars are the most insufferable fanbase war beggars are the most insufferable of all
As always

>>102253664
Is ZH China?
Also shoutout to the singular thailand goon

Wait why is Pippa getting so many korean viewers? She gets nothing from anywhere else, but korea is relatively big. Does she do some korean stuff?

>>102255143
She has at least one Korean clipper. She is popular with the rooftop pilled Koreans.

>>102255194
fucking amateurs

>>102252557
Lets goooo Hinano. I wonder how bad of a melty her antis in VSPO are going through.

If you guys are going to keep hating on FWMC then I'm going to keep saying Mumei has real autism.

>>102253524
Phase wont fall off because the different kind of groups have already been established in the EN sphere. Once HoloEN gets a really interesting generation you will forget all about the girls that left because that is what time does to everyone.
NijiEN has left a big hole for a new competitive male corpo but besides that as a Phase fan I predict the rise of VSPO EN. They are focusing on the right things.

>>102251355
Gura killers btw

>>102250136
>Pure retardation
just wait until you learn about french numbers.

>>102248085
Nah it is, there's a reason Fuwamoco Nendoroids were prioritised over literally anyone else.

>>102252699
I don't know about bonuses, but every 1 million subs, they can ask for a "wish". For some can be a new model, sponsorship of their choosing, even a game (like Aqua's VN game).

>>102255639
>They are focusing on the right things.
I'm not sure about that.
The one thing that still confused the hell out of me was why none of them joined Doki's vtuber apex customs.
VSPOen didn't join, but VSPOjp did after being baited with NiceWigg.
You'd think they'd be cozying up to her or something since I know the black haired one is a fan.
With how much money brave has, I can't understand why they didn't try to sponsor her to play something with them or set up SOMETHING. Her audience is exactly what could bleed into them and give them some growth.

Instead they got her to do a watchalong for v4Mirai's debuts which is like what

>>102255639
>They are focusing on the right things.
I'm not sure about that.
The one thing that still confused the hell out of me was why none of them joined Doki's vtuber apex customs.
VSPOen didn't join, but VSPOjp did after being baited with NiceWigg.
You'd think they'd be cozying up to her or something since I know the black haired one is a fan.
With how much money brave has, I can't understand why they didn't try to sponsor her to play something with them or set up SOMETHING. Her audience is exactly what could bleed into them and give them some growth. Especially now that she's taking just about every sponsor she can grab after blowing her load with the concert +3D debut prep.

Instead they got her to do a watchalong for v4Mirai's debuts which is like what

>>102255993
you faggot, it was rpr baiting tuna and q to play in doki custom + arya is antisocial for me so it was expected to see she isn't join that event

>>102248019 (OP)
Fuwamoco are one of the best examples of how corpo vtubers are a product. Korone is a huge vtuber but she doesnt feel like a product.

>>102248019 (OP)
Uh oh KFPiss melty
Afraid the doggos will also surpass the orange woman ?

>>102248019 (OP)
Bigger numbers means they get to do more of the things they actually want to do (idol shit, VN shit)

>>102248051
>Wanting to achieve things is "soulless"
The problem with the EN scene summed up. Enjoy Nimi and Saba grifting you

>>102248341
>>102248646
Forget about that , Karaokes to push for sub milestones are nothing compared to the 2view whores spaming subathons on top of donothons , Now THAT should be a crime

>>102256494
>numberfagging is an "achievement"
Yellow hands typed this. Enjoy being forcefed slop by slant whores with no achievement perms.

>>102248019 (OP)
But enough about holocucks

>>102256335
>hire chuubas to entertain and play fps games
>they ignore the biggest fps chuuba who's outright begging for more chuubas to play with

Antisocial or not, are you telling me that NONE of the en girls were going to get their name out there by attending? None of them could just scrounge up 1 other player to join with? What were they even hired for, then, if they're not going to actually try to be vtubers?
It's complete nonsense. Clearly they weren't blacklisted either since JP joined.

It's fucking insane. Instead you got that one green girl to play one silent stream with Dooby and accomplish absolutely nothing.

>>102255993
>focusing on the right things
>not associating with a drama whore
Where's the contradiction? Good on them.

>>102256832
Anon one of them collaborated with Elira after hiding the collab until the day of, causing a minor shitstorm for her community after she doubled down.

With how fucking poor their viewership is, I wouldn't be surprised if she lost at least 10 viewers, aka a third of her audience.

>>102256677
You got filtered and that's a good thing. You were never the target audience. Go watch your Northern Lion and Asmongold.

>>102256702

>>102256868
Those 10 were probably fagoons, good riddance. Who else would care?

>>102257128
It's no fun when you're this obvious.
I seriously would like to know what the fuck vspo is thinking though. You'd think cozying up to Doki would be the absolute first thing they'd do after establishing a branch, but instead it seems like they haven't even tried.

>>102256876
>NorthernLion and Asmongold
Literally who? I only watch vtubers, namely actually talented ones who filter brown numbertourists like yourself.
If you really are the JPgrifters' target audience, prove it by "enjoying" their FOMO gachaslop instead of seething at your own delusions /here/. Or what, do you not have viewing perms?

>>102256932
What made him this way

>>102257155
>I seriously would like to know
>shut up, shut up, shut up
Dooki is a menhera timebomb, noone in their right mind would make "cozying up" to her their strategy.

>>102256371
The telletubie dogs are here to sell merch and talk about how they need more numbers (but also it should only be JP nikis, kaigainiki give them the ick)

>>102257331
You okay? You've stopped even trying to make a point and just started getting angry out of nowhere.
Chill out, dude. She's just a funny bird up in canada who plays video games. She's the only real option we have as far as western FPS-focused chuubas go.

i dunno op you could have 4,700,000 subs but if only 5000 people watch you everytime most of those subs are dead a lot of vtubers have tons of people subscribed but few actually watch them then again with people who have millions or hundreds of thousands of subs if everyone watched the chat would most likely crash :D

>>102257551
Who are you referring to? The 4.7m figure makes me think you mean Gura but her average CCV by the end was more like 30k-50k and even higher for karaoke, not 5k.
Seems like those viewers haven't gone anywhere either, judging from Saba's consistently strong early showing despite being under like five different handicaps.

>>102257516
The point is you "seriously want to know" but don't want to acknowledge the obvious answer. Well, keep wondering why people don't want to be anywhere near this funny bird. Mystery of the century.

>>102257263
>Literally who? I only watch vtubers
No you don't you watch grifting westoids who are cashing in on a trend without understanding it kek

>>102257775
oh i wasent refering to anyone in specific the 4.7 was gura but the viewer was not i was just saying that sometimes even if you have a massive sub count don't mean people will actually watch also 30-40 k is kinda meh if you got 4.7 don't get me wrong i like gura/saba im just saying the retension ratio is pretty low for most vtubers

>>102255851
>you need 1 million subs to move your project from the bottom of the general pile to the "somewhat priority queue" or just pay some exorbitant sum otherwise
grim, no wonder ironjew churns out a new model every second week when she's not chained and nailed down by corpo bullshit and pays hand over fist from her grift spoils

>>102248019 (OP)
>"singing free"
>implying they didn't have to sit through 20 meetings for 2 months to get songs approved

>>102257839
I mean, Ironmouse pays for those models with her own money. VShojo doesn't do shit.

>>102257775
>but her average CCV by the end was more like 30k-50k
Nta, but that's just wrong. Gura's average was below 20k before a short graduation buff in April.

>>102256494
Wanting to achieve things just for the sake of achieving them is peak soulless, yes

>>102257845
They already have a list of songs they can sing, anything else falls under unarchived streams.

>>102257780
>Well, keep wondering why people don't want to be anywhere near this funny bird.
But... they literally did.
VSPOjp joined the tournament. If anything, they'd be even MORE worried about pissing off Nijisanji.

>>102257889
Reminds me of brown people wondering why whites climb mountains and explore the ocean. Achievement for the sake of achievement isn't accepted by all cultures

>>102257907
If you're comparing climbing a mountain to numberfagging Youtube subs then you're the brownest person of all

>>102257907
What FuwaMoco is doing is the equivalent of taking a helicopter to the top of a mountain and taking a selfie to post online

>>102257922
So now you're moving the goalposts from wanting achievements is bad to some achievements have no merit. You're a fucking retard, watch Ironlung and stop making a fool of yourself twisting yourself into knots about how the Holos who care about being successful are soulless unlike Saba who openly and unashamedly treats her fans like walking atm machines

>>102257974
Achievements have merit if they actually mean something

>>102257796
>Literal veterans of Hololive don't understand vtubing
The unemployed screeching browns have spoken, and they are in denial over the fact that Saba and Nimi are, in fact vtubers... kek

>>102257973
Easily the most popular and successful vtubers in the EN sphere right now. Any argument against that is pure indie seethe from jealous women and irony poisoned fans of the fandom

>>102257986
Achievements by themselves have no merit. They're just tasks.
It's up to the person who achieves them to feel accomplished from it, which matters far more than if someone else recognizes it.

>>102250073
>120 ten thousands is a weird milestone though.
It's very Kiaralike. I think she even tried pushing a x50k milestone once.
At this point just stop looking at the counter and think what would be a fun stream to do for yourself and your fans.

>>102258010
Yeah
They don't care about streaming or producing good content or anything, they just care about the meta shit and being Japanese, that's why it's soulless

>>102257872
>that's just wrong
No it's not. Go back to her Palworld and Poppy Playtime streams and see how the numbers fluctuated from there.
>T-The graduation buff doesn't count because-
It does. Numbers don't stop existing just because there's a reason for them to exist.

>>102258031
Truly spoken like somebody who's never even tried to achieve anything, much less feel accomplsihed from it.

>>102258068
I've achieved more in my life than FuwaMoco have

>>102257905
The worry is not pissing off kurosanji, it's offending the bird. By looking at her funny or something. Might trigger a xitter meltdown or even another attempt.

>>102257974
nta, there is no goalpost shifting because "line go up" is not an achievement. It would have to be an achievement for anon's point to be construed as "some achievements have no merit".
This is a common misconception among yellows and browns.

>>102258120
>there is no goalpost shifting because "line go up" is not an achievement
"Sorry you can't celebrate your album going platinum that's just more sales and line goes up, not a real achievement"

>>102251989
she brought it upon herself... she has had time to change and be better, but she is still the same bpd narcissist as from day one...

>>102258031
>They don't care about streaming
>727 videos in 1 year
>Mori and Kiara have 1.5 and 1.4K videos in almost 5 years
Define good content.

>>102258155
The real achievement is making an album worthy of going platinum
FuwaMoco don't have any real achievements

>>102258163
They stream, but they do it because that's what a vtuber is supposed to do, their streams are highly ritualistic experiences, they can't banter or say anything interesting

>>102257796
>durrrr Nimi and Saba are "grifting" by disabling superchats or something
Proof positive that the soulless JPwhore whiteknights are retarded shitskin secondaries who latched onto vtubing without understanding it. Keep slurping up your FOMOslop, paypiggy.

>>102248019 (OP)
>Why are they so obsessed with numbers? They should be obsessed with these numbers instead

>>102258195
We both win. Fes next year is going to be much better without Nimi and Saba shitting it up and you get to sit in your basement and wait to give them more cash like a dutiful atm.

>>102258232
>Fes next year is going to be much better without Nimi and Saba shitting it up
lmao the cope

>open thread
>faggoons having a melty and begging for collabs of smoltubers
LOL? Go be menhera in your subreddit.

>>102257974
>muh ATMbuds/ATMlings cope
And yet they still haven't enabled superchats. Facts are stubborn things.
Now go on, tie yourself into a pretzel trying to salvage your comfort blanket narrative... again.

>>102258176
It's not that but notice the fag uses videos uploaded and not time streaming. Because what do you know, a big chunk of that is their morning show that went from having some fun segments to being the same exact 'pull 3 images from twitter' and 'Shill merch' 30-40 minute streams.

>>102258257
>And yet they still haven't enabled superchats.
Because they don't want to read them or interact with the retards they're grifting

>>102258283
their morning show was stale from the moment it came out

>>102258256
are we reading the same thread? all I'm seeing is the same old tired "sour grapes" cope from the same old tired Holobrowns.

>>102258283
>went from they don't stream to streaming is bad when they don't stream what like
k

>>102258289
>ties himself into a pretzel on command
good boy! have you ever considered joining the circus?

>>102258356
>they don't stream
nobody said this

>>102258358
You're right saying the person who touched her twitter account 5 times in all the time she was in Hololive hates interacting with her fans is a stretch. Saba loves her fans and would never ghost them for months without a word, fan interaction is one of her most beloved activities.

>>102258363
You are right, it was "they don't care about streaming". My point still stands.
It's fine if you don't like the content, but to act like making content for their fans is bad because they don't target you is kinda dumb.
Those streams are a way for them to interact with their fans, if they are not your oshi obviously you won't like it.

>>102258356
They either tie all of their best streams to some retarded need to 'theme' them instead of just playing games or singing or tie everything to an achivement. It's fine, even to their own admission they don't really bring their a-game to their normal solo streams and most of their effort and time is poured into homework.

>>102258421
Their content sucks, they don't make it for their fans, they make to achieve their meaningless goals

>>102258384
https://xcancel.com/samekosaba/status/1941118511126094187
oops!

>>102258283
>a big chunk
>172 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLf4O_VcbYo27DpnCJZXRsxov6_DD2Q1NS
>if we subtract those we get 555 videos
>almost as many as Gura

>>102258435
You can say that about any streamer.

>>102258522
No, most streamers actually enjoy streaming at least a bit

>>102258503
Are you counting members' streams?

>>102258536
I assume so.

>>102258527
How do you determine that?

>>102258594
The bring some originality or creativity to it, they tell jokes or interesting stories or play games or talk to chat
FuwaMoco just do the same ritualistic shit over and over again

>>102258611
Ok anon, just say you don't watch them.

Their hyper need to control the image of their character borders on rediculous sometimes
Their flip from being really good and playing a good chunk of games no one else would touch in EN to basically barely ever playing games or singing karaoke was shit.
Shit like 'We don't want to be known as the twin demon dogs who stream fate' is the dumbest shit on the planet. Playing a game more than a handful of times won't make you into an 'X' streamer and is a prime example of how dumb their mentality is when it comes to their image.

>>102258626
I've watched them enough to draw this conclusion

>>102258632
Long series are really bad for Youtube audience retention

>>102258655
Who gives a flying fuck if at the end of the day you like playing it? That's part of my point, they won't tank the hit to play things they like to play because they cry about fucking CCV numbers. It's fine to be aware of your numbers, but it's another to be a slave to them. I'm not even going to fight about OP because I think it's stupid to be mad about someone celebrating something with their fans, especially when it's with a 'reward' that's something people really like to see on their channel.

>>102258695
they dont "like" things

>>102248019 (OP)
>Subs don't even matter that much compared to CCV
to you sure, but to their japanese masters subs are the only numbers that matter

>>102258702
They do like things, and it's abundantly apparent with how much they get sucked into anything that's anywhere near like a VN, from the horseracing girls to their Sakura Wars playthough to their Nekopara playthough.

>>102248019 (OP)
It's all about grifting and fake idols
>>102248341
Atleast she's not pretending and will suck my dick clean

>>102248019 (OP)
I find it funny they've declined so much for committing the same mistake Kiara made early on in her career, splitting their fanbase too much between EN and JP while never committing enough to either.
Guess it wasn't as easy as people said it'd be during their first 6-9 months eh?

>>102258903
Because in the first 6-9 months, they streamed a ton in EN and played a lot of games.

>>102248019 (OP)
>they are not
if they are obsessed with subs, they wouldn't wait until 10 hour later for a 1.5k endurance stream

>>102258056
>by the end
>go back 1.5 years
Go back to February it was 15-20k consistently.
Fauna had 170k ccv this year btw, mogged Gura completely. Numbers don't stop to exist right?

>>102258013
JPs do it all the time. AZKi did one for 1234567 just because. That's after she did one for 1.2M as well. In the end it's just more karaoke for girls who like karaoke. Why are you complaining?

>>102259027
>I-I-I'm right if you cherry pick
>Yet more blatantly incorrect numbers
What's China been lacing SEA's antipsychotics with lately? Cute attempt though, I have to admit Fauna vs. Gura is a relatively novel angle. Shame it's not working.

>>102250272
Yeah, up to thousand hundred millions, not much better

>>102252008
Problem is that channels over a million only go up in increments of 10k, so they could be getting up to 20k-1 and we wouldn't be able to tell

>>102258013
>Think about what would be a fun stream for your fans and just do it.
And that's the problem with FWMC. Everything is hyper-analyzed, everything is calculated, everything is themed.

>>102259238
Yeah it's actually 79k for Fauna, did the math wrong, but the point still stands. Numbers mean shit without context.
You are the one cherry-picking here. And it's not Fauna vs Gura it's just an example of why your "numbers don't stop existing" angle is retarded.

>>102248019 (OP)
BAU BAU?
BAU BAU!!

>>102259034
Someone didn't watch the stream!
They constantly cry about how they can't do karaokes now-a-days and even made mention that this wasn't their usual RNR. The only reason they do anything fun on stream anymore is if they get paid to do it, it's to sell merch, or it's to drum up subs.

>>102259475
>actually 79k
That isn't correct either retard, check the picrel I posted. Or if you're not talking about their respective graduation CCVs, then maybe specify what streams you had in your tiny little mind to warrant the so-called "mogging" comparison?
>(You) are cherry-picking by not cherry-picking and calling it "context"
Wow I didn't know pretzels could have this many knots

>>102248019 (OP)
It makes sense if you consider there are two of them. They have one channel, so they're working twice as hard for the same monetization.

>>102250136
I agree but english also uses stuff like "twelve hundred" so you're not really in a position to speak. You're just used to your own retardation.

>>102259552
Kek, you can't even read. I've said it from the start "in 2025". Fauna had 2 streams in 2025 with the average ccv of around 79k. Which shows how retarded it is to disregard context and graduation buffs in particular. Before the graduation buff Gura got 15-20k on an average solo stream. You are wrong. Kys.

>>102252603
They play inside the Japanese system. That's just how it is.

>>102257832
>also 30-40 k is kinda meh
Damn basically every vtuber is kinda meh

>>102258903
this is mostly going off vibes but i feel like they are just willing to take the EN fan losses in favor of JP's, the others weren't which is why they reeled it in

>>102248019 (OP)
Are you familiar with the concept of having a job?

>>102255817
And yet now they have fallen so hard that the rest of their gen are getting them at the same time anyways because everyone in EN gets a nendo.

>>102259825
Depends when and what for. They tried to get their tourists to feel guilty and stay after the karaoke to listen to them read SC, a majority of their SC are still sent in by EN fans, and a majority of their merch is purchased by EN. They want the EN money but don't care about the EN fanbase beyond that.

90 percent of this thread is a phasecuck replying to himself
This is now a jelly/lumi cuck yab thread

>>102259629
>you can't even read [this thing that I never actually said]
>it's almost like my schizophrenia isn't communicable or something
What you said in actual reality was "Fauna had 170k ccv this year", without specifying what stream it was or if it was an average or even a fucking sum you're certainly fucking dumb enough to try that so it can't be ruled out, because you mistakenly thought this information was implicit when it's not. Probably because that's how it works in Swahili or whatever other spearchucker language your mother tongue happens to be. You're a literal ESL who can't even speak English, holy shit.
>which shows how retarded it is to disregard context
Then stop doing it. You can start by factoring in both the entirety of Gura's 2024 AND her graduation numbers, instead of cherry-picking and omitting the full context just to indulge your addiction to being wrong.
Go skinny dip in a volcano with your entire family.

>>102259940

FWMC
>Ruffians! We can't do regular timed RNR anymore because it's just too stressful on our voices when we're doing so much homework that requires them! Sorry!
Also FWMC
>We're gonna do this guerilla karaoke stream at JP hours because we're just so close to a milestone!

>>102258163
I beg you to look at the amount of hours streamed.

>>102259979
>this year
>without specifying what stream it was
That would be a fat fucking clue that it's an average for the year for anyone not completely braindead.
>stop disregarding the context and throw everything into one meaningless pile
You are too retarded even for a /#/ monkey, where the fuck did you come from? Some pagpag munching shithole judging by your projections.

>>102259538
It's gotten so bad with hololive man. Feels like every stream is either #ad or merch shilling these days.

meanwhile

>>102258478
>xcancel
>>>/lgbt/

>>102259870
Time between announcement and actual release are a complete unknown with Nendos. We'll have to see how quickly Fuwamoco's come out compared to everyone else, if they really do end up coming out in the same timeframe then they are definitely viewed to have fallen off or it was pushed back due to recent Nendo controversies with the EN fanbase.

>>102260395
Stop watching Gigi and it drastically improves

>>102260462
>fellate the shitlib degenerate techbro or else you're a tranny
meds

>>102260526
Justice really shit the bed with this long stint in Japan for their frist 3d recording (plus other recordings for later). While ERB was never super consistant and Raora isn't terribly affected because of living in Japan, CC and GG's channels have really hit the shitter.

Two seanigs shit-flinging for hours over 20k vs 30k ccv. Not even thread related. Mental health really is a crippling issue down there.

>>102260567
>using a nitter nameswap set up for farming donos from libs while still using the x api
>"damn I'm such an edgy freedom fighter"
I'll gladly give you my meds, you need them more than I do

>>102260695
>spend half a year to record a mediocre 3d debut
>tank their numbers
meanwhile their managers when asked why they didn't just do it in a 12h marathon: "imposibru, we nedingu stadio for marketingu, purizu andastando, chisai indie kaisha"

>>102260695
Remind me - WHY the FUCK didn't Cover just open a studio in America, again? Granted this wouldn't be that helpful for Justice specifically, but you'd think it would've been a worthwhile investment for a non-meme regional branch? The one that not too long ago hosted their company mascot and number 1 merch mover? The thing that SHOULD have served the needs of the nine or ten girls they had on the continent, and eventually dozens more? Why adopt this "just roll EN into JP" strategy and defeat the whole purpose of the regional branch in the first place?

>>102260834
To tell the truth I started using that particular instance when the primary nitter instance was having issues like a year ago, for the sole reason that it was up. I just haven't thought about it since. No revolutionary LARPing involved.

>>102261024
Cool anon, have a nice day

>>102260954
They'd have to invest tens of millions of dollars just for the SIDE branches to go over there. The investors would fucking crucify yagoo if he greenlit that.

>>102260954
I want to say it's because Cover are lazy, cheap assholes, but then they're willing to give EN a concert all their own. I am both happy and sad EN gets the NYC concert, but it really eats up a TON of time for anyone not in Japan to have both FES and the NA concert, plus whatever other 3d streams they need to practice and record for.

>>102260954
Just opening a studio is not enough, you need staff too. Something they still lack in their JP studio to this day.

>>102260954
America is a continent
You need to take a plane to travel from one side to the other

>>102252020
twitter and collab views do not translate into actual new fans orvod views

>>102261157
>JP studio
>understaffed
I was under the impression that studio had hundreds of dedicated employees? Like, half of Cover's total workforce?

>>102260954
If we're gonna talk about EN as a branch, let's get real and shitty for a minute. There are quite a few girls who try to make the branch work, who push for branch unity, and try to get things going for HoloEN. The problem comes in when FWMC, Irys, and Bae would rather be part of JP and do more with them sometimes than they do the entire EN branch, and Shiori and ERB have more interest in doing stuff with Stars. There's no one in JP who get remotely close to what those 5 are doing.
There's 31 talents in JP and 14 in EN, 5 of which have shown to not really care about the branch as a whole. It's fine to have outliers, quiet people, people who just do their own thin in their corner, but it doesn't work when 1/3rd of your talent busts ass for an entirely different branch while neglecting their own.

>>102261480
You mean hundreds of drones and copy/fax machine operators and a handful of actual engineers?

>>102260727
You clearly haven't been to 5ch/2chan where purebred japs are having arguments and melties over Subaru "beating" Pekora 25k vs 24k.
Mental illness is an inherent feature of vtuber fans. Especially holofags, big numbers attract worse schizos.

>>102261480
>Like, half of Cover's total workforce?
HoloEarth idev team s like half their workforce probably

>>102249187
No respectable sponsor values sub count/followers highly now. They look at average viewership and past fan engagement with sponsors and expect the people they are working with to have these numbers ready for them. Too many got burned in the past with botted subs and followers.

>>102261510
holy headcanon

>>102257775
>more like 30k-50k
chumkek still living in 2022.
this is also saba's future btw, best case scenario.

>the noooombers mason, what do they mean!
>ook subs go up ook! ook CCVs go down ook!

>>102261855
kek kiara nerf isreal

>>102261776
Yeah, FWMC don't spend most of their time outside of Advent collabs doing things with the JP branch, Irys hasn't been a pretty big loner outside of Bae and JP members, and Bae didn't have her first 3d stream in all Japanese and hasn't been trying to get closer to JP talents and suck up to JP casual viewers.
You'll just ignore that Shiori and ERB haven't been sitting around having Stars collabs every few weeks too.

>>102248019 (OP)
Pretty sure it was their previous gig that made them focus in numbers that hard and they were never able to shake that mindset off.

>>102261855
>using the same cope the other anon did by arbitrarily discounting graduation buff
>the CC collab in his own screenshot literally broke 23k
kek
Meanwhile, in reality:
>be saba
>200k ccv debut
>like 80k ccv for first karaoke
>still pulling 20k on a no-name indie horror lighthouse game and literally wheel of fortune
>over 36k for Peak with Dooby
>even briefly pushed Dooby into 5view status
Two more weeks until 3view this time for real the walls are closing in etc. etc.

>>102248019 (OP)
>Subs don't even matter that much compared to CCV
Subs is all they have. Please don't take that away from them.

>>102260889
>Kino Wrestling
>Okakoro
>Kino song
I know you hate it because there was no male so you couldn't self-insert like the pagpag-eater you are. But it was incredible

>>102260954
You are assuming most EN talents want to live in America. They don't. Your country is a shithole.

>>102259027
>>102261855
I like how a thread about FWMO turned into "Advent" fans /here/ seething about Saba. Goes to show the mask off moments.

Advent or FWMO are EN3. The best comparisons are the other EN vtubers who came out around that time. Even though they are in different companies you can still compare what all of them accomplished, what they had to work with and what the EN vtubers had to work against.

>>102262067
>the cope is strong with this one
20k isn't even bad, just take the L and fuck off.
looks like I was wrong about 2022, my bad. not sure she ever averaged 30-50k between debut and graduation buffs.

>>102262268
What is there to compare? Advent won the EN corpo war for Cover. Niji is dead, VShojo is imploding, and phase is under freefall. VSPO EN didn't catch on too.

>>102248019 (OP)
Cover will remove visa sponsorship without exponential quarterly growth.

>>102262256
Infertile yellow hands typed this

>>102262299
>begging me to concede the argument because he knows he's lost otherwise
>now selectively ignoring debut buffs now too
roru

>>102261633
Yagoo runs hundreds of fake jobs for government's favourite kids and finances it with money from super chats and merch buyers (cucks)

>>102261611
I'm proud to be AquaCrew. We don't have much schizos.

>>102262013
FWMC spend most of their time doing "homework" aka fuck all.
Irys has been a pretty big loner including Bae and JP members (she still doesn't hang out with anyone except Flare).
Bae didn't have her first 3d stream in all Japanese, correct. And she has been trying to get closer to JP talents because she's in fucking Japan and most of EN were not. Now she's doing stuff with Biboo, Raora, FWMC too.
And Shiori did like 5 (idk, didn't count) homocollabs out of hundreds of streams.

>>102262528
The laziest chuubas are nerissa, Ina and ERB. Blaming the branch woes on fwmc, bae and irys is stupid when they at least bother to stream

>>102262441
why are you so proud of being terminally retarded, anon?

>>102262528
>FWMC spend most of their time doing "homework" aka fuck all.
They streamed more than Bae you fucking imbecile.

>>102262658
Cool. Is Bae supposed to be some streaming monster?

>>102262629
>Muh "lazy" copout
How many more graduations and successful reincarnations will it take for you to stop making excuses and finally admit that none of these girls were ever actually lazy, and that the problem is JP corpo autism and has been since the IPO?

>>102262658
Barely. And there's two of them. And they did both stream at the same time for ENReco.

>>102262831
Biboo, Mori and Kiara don’t have problems with streaming. I wonder why.

>>102248019 (OP)
Srs question, does cover help the girls with visas? Like at a certain amount of subs does cover say we'll get you the entertainer visa or whatever.

>>102262879
I'd imagine they help their talent with visas regardless of subs. Those who want it.

>>102262862
>soulless no talent whores who failed before and will fail after
Wonder why

>>102262994
Give me tryhards over your lazy pos.

>>102262862
>I wonder why
Realistically? Because they have an easier time dealing with corpo autism due to speaking JP, living in JP, being treated better by management (not that that's saying much), and/or being soulless spiritual wageslaves who are desperate to keep the job because it's their only lifeline.
Or you know, because some of them uprooted their whole lives to live there and don't want to jeopardize their visas.
>>102263075
>your lazy pos
I didn't even have to try very hard with my posts ESLkun, but yours make the "laziness" accusations all the more ironic

>>102262497
You don't even have Aqua anymore, ofc numberfags fucked off

Another Saba is boring deflection thead..

Another untalented foid seethepost...

>>102262629
Hololive is a part time job for ERB and Ina. Though I dunno why Nerissa streams so little. My rrat is shes also got like 9 kids.

>>102262629
The real thing is that the girls have been promoting and collabing up a storm and its objectively verifiable. You could maybe say ERB is just to herself, but the girls have either been hanging or doing things with each other in the prep for World Tours or AFO. About the only one we never really hear actively participating in either dance practice, choreo, vocal training or the like for project is solely ERB. Saying EN is lazy is just trying to obscure the facts and drown the narrative in trash.

>>102260954
It genuinely wouldnt work. Regardless of what city the studio is in, everyone would need to travel to it anyway and still need hotel accommodations and not be able to bring their setup with them. Its not like japan where the entire country except hokkaido is within 4 hours of tokyo by commuter train. To make a US studio work you'd basically need to mandate that talents move into the area.

>>102264043
Not to mention most of EN aren't in US anyway. Only Rissa, Shiori and Gigi left there.

>>102262268
>FWMO
Fuwawa and Mooooo?

>>102262528
FWMC have done like 20 JP events over the last 6 months while showing up to maybe 5 for EN. Like I said, it wouldn't be such an issue if the branch wasn't a third the size of JP.

>>102264330
How many EN events did they not show up to?

How did their subgrowth reach such stagnation? Didn't they reach 1M before their first year anniversary?

>>102264513
They numberfagged so hard under the guise of MUH DREAMS that it was inevitable. Later everyone got their "fell for it" award kek

>>102264513
They didn't, despite all the numberfagging. Don't know why they voluntarily imposed this deadline on themselves.

>>102264229
Gigi will likely move to Japan.

>>102262528
"homework" is roommate gigs

>>102264513
Their gimmick really caught people attention at the start. It was really new and unique and being gifted such great models also really helped. Then came he point where the novelty wore off, and now they have to rely on their actual talent as entertainers and bring new material, that's where they fall short.

>>102251782
You put into words very clearly what I've thought for a while now. I'm still glad they succeeded but the content is just not for me.

>>102264552
>>102264604
>>102264701
So basically they found out the hard way that making up their onomatopoeia like "peko" and talking to their viewers like they're watching a Nick Jr cartoon isn't an instant recipe for success?

>>102264862
>isn't an instant recipe for success?
It was at the start, somehow. Just not enough in the long run.

>>102264672
Could be, but that would make them more industrious right? After all a talent agency, which this is, is there to help you as the client get more stuff out there. The JPs run rackets literally all the time.

>>102264513
They are still the 4th fastest growing channel in hololive according to subs gained in the last 30 days by vt poi

Subs just slowed down a bit for everyone across the board is all. And as for OP, doing milestone streams isn't special to them either, tons of holos and vtubers do those.

>>102265213
none are as desperate as they have been in EN since Kiara, thoughbeit
and the ruffians are obnoxious fucks which is why i don't mind shitting on them. despite the numberfagging, I have to concede they were very hardworking. At least until they got to MisDo land

>>102265281
You call it desperate, others think it's exemplary of being a hard working idol who keeps pushing to reach for her dreams. Koyori does it too for example and she sure fights tooth and nail for everything. I don't think that's something to look down upon, in the end it's those kind of holos that stick around and put effort in, not those who don't care.

>>102265336
>others think it's exemplary of being a hard working idol
Noone thinks that, anon. Hard working idols do albums and concerts.

>>102265336
Bae puts in a lot of effort and isn't crying or desperate about numberfag. Same to Biboo. Same to Kaela. Same to Koyori.

>>102265401
How do you think they get the chance to have a sololive? By first proving they are worth being given such a chance.
>>102265418
You're not even worth talking to if you think Koyori doesn't "numberfag".

>>102265434
>How do you think they get the chance to have a sololive?
By making more than 1.5 songs in 2 years, for starters

>>102265479
Yeah, that's part of it. But clearly not all, or Kiara would have long since had one.

>>102265509
Kiara also has more subs than them, that's clearly not it as well

>>102248019 (OP)
It's literally their job, why does this need a thread?

>>102254546
>least ESL Neuro hater

>>102255817
Same with Gura taking priority over majority of hololive at the time getting her nendo years ahead of her own genmates, Subs are an indicator for popularity both internally and to advertisers and investors. Anyone who think subs don’t matter are retarded, why else would holomem be literally begging for them every stream, in hololive especially it’s an indication of popularity

>>102252020
Mori’s viewership has massively dipped and her sub count has been stagnant for months, i doubt she will be a buff of any kind to anyone. Only person who was capable of buffing anyone in EN left.

>>102249187
Sponsors don't look at shit, especially for Holos that have a brand name behind them. GG is spamming sponsored streams left and right and she is below 500k subs. Sponsors would throw the same deal to fleshies with 100k subs. If someone in Holo isn't doing sponsored streams it's not because they have "too low subs to get noticed", it's because they don't care to do an ad stream for what's literal pennies to them.
Nerissa was selling collab merch jackets when she was like around 700k subs too, so they don't need millions for that stuff either, they literally just need to agree to connect their name to a product, and not everyone feels like doing that.

>>102265336
FWMC's issue is that every time they come to stream, they cry about everything non-stop. They used to show up, be cute, have fun, and leave to go do stuff. It's fine to vent a little but every time they start talking it's about how busy they are, how much homework they have, how much they totally wish they could be streaming more but can't, etc. I don't think they're lying, but it gets really tiring hearing the same shit ALL the time. The best chatting portion of a stream they've had was the post-trip talk, because they had a lot to share and they didn't have to really make stories out of the mundane, plus were feeling better because they actually got to chill out for a minute.

>>102266383
Sponsors as in McDonalds, Sharp etc. not mobile games garbage

>>102248019 (OP)

>Why are they so obsessed with numbers?

Anon.

>>102248019 (OP)
They aren't

>>102266478
And those were the Japanese barches of those. We got a few Gura taco bell ads, but it will never be popular enough to hit your local miccy d's.

>>102265336
How hard working are they that they have next to no music on their channel this year despite claiming idol is their priority? All they have are paid collab songs and one EN cover.

>>102269690
Anon, could you repeat this in English?

>>102269738
Seems clear to me. First sentence is very structurally inelegant but still grammatically correct and understandable, provided you're not ESL.
I'll break down his post into parts, which will hopefully help you get his meaning:
>How hard working are they
Beginning with a rhetorical question meant to cast doubt on the claim being responded to, which was that they're hard working.
>that they have next to no music on their channel this year
Providing an example to support the previous assertion.
>despite claiming idol is their priority?
Explaining why having little music on their channel is relevant for refuting that they're hard working.
>All they have are paid collab songs and one EN cover.
Further context being given on the lack of things to show, according to their own explanation of where their effort is going.

>>102270364
Ah.
It's a sentence that would've been much easier to understand orally.
In that case, they seem to have been showing up on several main channel events singing and dancing, as well as performing in concerts.
I wouldn't be surprised if the relatively disappointing view growth on their original songs also discouraged them from focusing as hard on MVs.

>>102265336
And yet the girls who left have all proven, in a dozen different ways, that they do in fact care. In certain cases *cough* god-tier graduation song followed by shelling out five figures for the best tracking in the industry, filing trademark paperwork through turbojew lawyers, and then setting a 1m sub record and lapping the dogs shortly thereafter, sobbing like a bitch all the while, it's obvious that they care more than I think the soulless grinding-dogs have ever cared about anything in their fucking lives.

>>102254546 (me)
>>102265975
Okay, did I have a fucking stroke typing that or something? I genuinely didn't notice and now I'm baffled. How the fuck did I do that?
To be clear I MEANT to say that retards who whine about muh chumpedos and muh swarm are more insufferable than either.

>>102248019 (OP)
Why are numbertards obsessed with numbers, subs in fact do matter, last time I checked YT doesn't award play buttons on CCV, on /vt/ everyone screams "BOTS" at any CCV higher than 9k anyway.

Speaking about numbers does Aki have 1 million yet?

>>102270461
>I wouldn't be surprised if the relatively disappointing view growth on their original songs
BAUDOL is tied with Say Your Name in views.

>>102265418
>isn't crying or desperate about numberfag
You don’t watch bae if you think she isn’t desperate lol. She did her 3D live on jp hours to get bigger numbers and it backfired on her.

They're very much becoming side-characters in the JP branch while continuing to alienate thenselves further from the EN audience even though they claim they want to make EN strong.

>>102266064
>>102270829
>Dead subs are important!
Dead subs don't watch streams.

>>102272145
>They're very much becoming side-characters in the JP branch
Their entire gimmick is to make retarded noises. What else can you achieve with that in collaborations?

>>102275432
TO be fair to them, they do work a little better in JP, but not by that much. If anyone's only experience with them is through the lens of an EN collab, I could see how they'd think all they do is sit quietly in the corner and Bau Bau breaking up all conversation or joking.

>>102248019 (OP)
The streamers have a right to care about numbers. Viewers really do not.

>>102275332
They quite literally don't have to.
By simply existing, they make you more desirable to sponsors

>>102275966
>they do work a little better in JP
Maybe that's due to JP having many people, like Subaru, who can tardwrangle subpar talents like them into a decent collab.

>>102278458
Moreso because they (FWMC) are unwilling to play into anything and lean extremely hard into Japanese culture and memes. So what ends up happening is people start joking around about something they don't know, especially in EN, and they either shut down or just go 'BAUBAU' if they feel like they haven't said anything in a while.

>>102278563
>born white
>desperately wish to be downgraded to japanese to the point of being completely out of touch with your own culture
What is this mental illness called

>>102278670
I don't care if you really get into it, but it shouldn't be your entire personality. They do know some of the references, but they autistically decide not to play into it because that's 'not their image'. There's pop culture things from NA that they have admitted to watching and knowing about but refuse to talk about them ever, even if someone else is talking to them/everyone about it.

>>102255562
You have been posting a variation of this post since January 7th, there is no hope for you and you should probably kill yourself

>>102278747
I respect the commitment to their image when it comes to things like not acknowledging the stars during that one promo watchalong with Bae a year or two back someone correct me if I'm wrong but they were basically ambushed with that, weren't they? That's being true to both themselves and their image.
What is not admirable is denying your own people and race, despite being white westerners and part of the EN branch. At that point their image starts to deviate from what they actually are and starts to veer into dishonesty and false advertising territory - not to mention the innate immorality of not supporting your own race above all others, though that's a topic for another board.

>>102279146
Listen, I'm not going to defend them spending far more time doing things for JP events and JP talent than EN, but they are just demon dogs and they say that all the time. They've kinda made it clear from the start that they were going to be obsitanent for no particular reason other than to keep up the 'WE LOVE JAPANESE EVERYTHING ALWAYS' look. I don't mind it for the most part, but it's shit if they're doing something with someone who isn't that (re: Most of EN and even some of JP) and refuse to budge stifling conversation with them on stream, which makes for a worse viewing experience. It's why you see people get really jazzed up when they're on EN streams.

>>102248019 (OP)
>Subs don't even matter that much compared to CCV
Are you actually retarded?
The first thing sponsors ask for is sub/follower numbers.

>>102251355
Yagoo be like. "I don't need Ame"

>>102279275
This brings be back to my original question: why are they like this? Where did this internalized self-hatred and turboweeb yellow fever come from? Genuinely curious.

>>102279553
I just think they want to present themselve as the ultraweeb, even though they barely talk about anime, manga, or their favorite, VN. They're so afraid to give their opinions on things or talk about stuff they like because they don't want to upset a potential fan or a potential company they might work with in the future, so they play it ultra safe almost all the time.
For example, they mentioned recently that they had been watching episodes of Azumanga Daioh every couple of days, but they never spontaneously bring it up on stream while chatting outside of saying 'Yep, we're watching it!" Literally everyone else in the company will go more indepth for stuff like their media consumption. They do talk about watching random Jap TV like Night Scoop, which I had never heard of until they talk about it, but again it's autistically set to if someone brings it up or their DKC life farming.

>>102279675
Fascinating... I guess a lifetime of numberfarming will do that to you. Poor girls. Sincerely hope they learn to unwind someday.

>>102278417
Subcount alone is just a vanity metric. Sponsors pay for reach, not decoration, unless they are fucking morons. What really matters is the ability to reliably generate a large audience and engagement. They want their product to be seen.
That being said, I’ll give you this: a high subcount can attract tourists, who usually end up rotting in the sub graveyard too.

>>102278563
Maybe, but I doubt that's the only reason. There's also a clear lack of wit. They just can't handle anything unprompted.

>>102280246
There's a bit of that too, although they can summon wit sometimes.

>>102275432
>>102278458
>>102278563
retards. they are considered super funny in JP. Why do you think they get invited to ui-mama totsumachi and gamer fes 2?

>>102280337
Almost like you missed me saying they do alright in JP collabs, but alright cocksucker.

>>102280357
>a little better
>alright in JP collabs
Sure retard-kun.

>>102280337
>"Look! It's the dogs who say BAU BAU!"
Don't worry, it will get old for them too.

>>102280408
Haha, get bored of the HoloEarth stream?
Next you'll tell me that EN collabs don't matter even though I said they did fine in JP collabs.

>>102279675
>barely talk about anime, manga, or their favorite, VN
kys faggot. You don't watch streams.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzd6tvEe0q8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4GWZ1spKb0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k5MUdG1JdY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXO0rnPggDo

>>102280489
Is this where you start shit-talking EN?

>>102280480
Because they wrapping up retard. And yes, EN collabs don't matter you shitfaced idiot.

Like clockwork. You fags are pathetic.

>>102280517
You are skipping the post-stream? You will miss the part where they ask you to buy their new merch! Are you a fake fan?

>>102280609
I already bought it though?

>>102280489
>"you don't watch streams"
>posts clipfaggotry
you should really just beat the shit out of your parents. they raised a moron.

>>102280765
Check the last link you fucking retard

>>102280750
Buy it again piggy!

>>102280765
I know your faggot-ass is just trying to bait an EN vs JP talk.

>>102280005
>unless they are fucking morons
Anon, that's the fucking point. They are. They don't know shit about vtubers and they don't care. Bigger visible number = you're worth more money

>>102248019 (OP)
They have to split any income between the two of them so they focus on making as much money as possible