Can cover's TCG play with the big boys

no

>>102267040 (OP)
Check the earnings reports. It made everything else they do irrelevant. It's printing money.

>>102267040 (OP)
no but they really don't have to to make bank.
Also what the fuck? How did Duel Masters come back? That was just a shitty ripoff from the early 00's wasn't it?

i regret buying the weiss cards now that they have bushi making an official cg for them...

>>102267040 (OP)
Is this in Japan? Must be, right? Since when MTG is third place in japan? Last I checked, it was way less popular there because of the "gajin product debuff". Where this list comes from?

>>102267698
Wotc (hasbro suits) has been pandering to nips for a while now. Pandering to them is free, because they pander to weebs at the same time. Between that and the whole UB shit I dont play anymore. I will be long dead before blocking spongebob with my spider-man wielding a katana.
Funny enough, I was hoping for a hololive secret lair some years ago...

>>102267169
Fpbp

>>102267659
I got a good like year of play out of my hololive weiss cards, so I'm pretty content with that. As for the Holo TCG making it in the states, it's way too early to tell. The price point and card split in the set is kinda a hard sell for someone to invest in the game if theres a very good chance its gonna flop in terms of support at locals. If singles end up being affordable, it will be less of an issue, but I really have a hard time seeing how the secondary market will sustain itself on box sizes that small. Like between 2 boxes you won't get more than 2 copies of a common or uncommon. Also rares having the potential to come in SR variant is such a scumbag move since its not alternate art, just some of the text boxes taken away. You get one SR a box and if its taken by a R, you're gonna feel bad.

>>102267698
This is a monthly chart, so heavily skews if a game has a high profile release that month. In this case, the mtg FF crossover set was released which sold gangbusters, pushing mtg up to 3rd. Normally it's not that high, still top ten, but not top three.
>>102267594
Duel masters never left in japan. It, pokemon, and yugioh battled over the top three positions for a while until pokemon took over number 1 for good leaving it to squabble with yugioh and now one piece for the scraps.
As for holocard, it seems to be doing pretty well. Sets keep selling out and local events have decent numbers.

>>102267040 (OP)
I get Pokemon being number 1 but Duel Masters and MTG above YuGiOh? Sad.

>>102269829
>Duel masters never left in japan. It, pokemon, and yugioh battled over the top three positions for a while
Crazy. After the anime flopped over here I figured it was cooked.

>>102267040 (OP)
Bushiroad got cucked by cover once they released their own card game and they don't have to rely on Weiss Schwarz anymore.

>>102269939
Bushi is still involved behind the scenes with holocard. It seems more than weiss proved viability for a stand alone product but both companies are still getting paid.

>>102267040 (OP)
Where is shylily's card game? Why are they surpressing the numbers?

Top 10? not bad where's Phase's card game?

>>102269884
Yu gi oh is a shit "game" that isn't worth people's time, just play solitaire its the same game

Is the HoloTCG actually a good game though, or is it just another way to sell art?

>>102270893
It's pokemon with some of pokemon's flaws fixed.
Energy(Cheers) has its own deck that you auto draw one per turn, so you can (mostly) plan your energy ramp.
Knocking out an opponent's holomem gives them a bonus energy encouraging come backs instead of the win-more prize system.
The collab system is a risk/reward allowing two attackers but also might let your opponent knock out two holomem in a single round.
But you're incentivized to collab to build holo power for your oshi-holomem's (commander in mtg terms) special effects.
Games are usually close assuming you build a mildly competent deck but some holomem are more over-tuned than others, it's still a card game after all.
Depending on the secondary market in your country it's probably best to just grab singles for your chosen oshi. And grab every copy of mikkorone you can find, every deck wants it, to the point it was already reprinted in the latest set.

>>102270672
It shits on MTG tho
MTG's only appeal is scamming investors and gay pride crossovers

Being 6th overall in the monthly chart despite it being almost a year old is pretty impressive considering its below the big hitters like one piece and yugioh. I honestly would have thought magic would have hit #1 for that month (iirc this might just be one stores sales so it might be different if all stores get counted but its still a bit dissapointing considering how the final fantasy magic cross over was mainly aimed at Japan.

>>102270672
>Solitaire
It was until they released her, then they banned her because she was too strong. Free out girl Kitkallos and we'll have interactive skill-dependant games

>>102267040 (OP)
MTG went completely fucking woke, so I can see holo has a chance, sure. 99% of the playerbase is male, so just add some tits and farm that moolah kek

>>102267040 (OP)
they should do monthly banlist
current HTCG fucking useless

>>102267040 (OP)
I wonder if it would be higher if they stocked it better considering it sells out minutes after the new sets go on sale

Just want to remind you that this is Japan-only sales. Pokemon is likely number one, followed by MTG and then Yu-Gi-Oh if looking globally.
I have no idea why OP would show Japan only, other than there really isn't a good gauge for the global sales of tcgs. All I can tell you is that there is 100% more magic players worldwide both casually and competitively than anything else on the list and there are more Pokemon collectors than anything else on the list.

Looks like it

>>102267040 (OP)
Run one piece run!

>>102272434
not OP but how to track other region card sales
example >>102267040 (OP) one from https://www.torema.jp/202506orecamarketconditions/

>>102273028
Again, sales in Japan yes.

>>102269198
https://hololive-mtg-proxies.neocities.org/

>>102271259
You know the "gay pride crossover" was a limited time, special order product, right? You had to go out of your way to purchase it, and those cards are thus so rare you'll almost guaranteed to never play against them.

>>102267040 (OP)
What the hell is Duel Masters?

>>102274695
japanese card game that became popular in mid-2000's because of the tie-in anime. it's basically Japanese MTG because of how similar they play. also, they have Black Lotus, which is a fairly common card there.

>>102267169
/thread

>>102267429
Link? Is that actually true or what?

>>102267659
I got a signed aqua so I'm happy with my purchase. I'm a bit too broke to afford the new cards though so I'm a bit sad at the moment.

>>102274695
basically the card game that every spin-off anime tcg emulates, only instead of having separate mana all the cards in your deck can also be played as land cards. Used to play it a lot in middle school, it's fun.

>>102274445
what? I wasn't referencing a specific release but all their crossover cards that turn characters from other franchises gay and black or both
and MTG's original cards are trash tier these days as well. They used to have great fantasy art but now you get butch lesbian wizards and shit no thanks

>>102278683
>but all their crossover cards that turn characters from other franchises gay
This literally hasn't happened.
>and black
This only happened with LotR, because LotR wanted it.

>>102267040 (OP)
YGO is stagnant in terms of audience and gamplay, MTG will be over SOON(tm), scamdai is retarded and keeps hurting their own brands by spamming new games (UNION ARENA AND GUNDAM WITHIN A YEAR), pokemon is the only one with any real remaining staying power (God willing, MTG will fizzle or restructure). I can genuinely see a world where Hololive's tcg is in the top 3.

>102267040
only if they get the Rudy Seal of Approval

>>102279226
happened in the latest baldur's gate product too, but that was coomander (though you could argue this happens internally a ton).

>>102267040 (OP)
Not without Gura

>>102267169
Fpbp

>>102267040 (OP)
Lmao no.

>>102279612
I would love to see a Rudy video with Holo. I haven't watched in a while but I'd love to hear him scream
>ANIME GIRLS
>YOU KNOW THOSE STREAMER TYPES
>*Shows a Kronii tit card*
>See what we're talking about here folk?
>Timmy's LOVE this kind of stuff!

>>102267040 (OP)
They break 6 or 5 place every new set released. I don't think the global expansion is gonna do super good to the point of pushing them to One piece level but domestic market wise they are among the biggest players.

>>102279612
>metacrash and scamcery
Maybe this retard should sell all his Hasbro stocks and put them into Cover

>>102280007
dude could probably buy cover with his reserve list cards

>>102269884
No one has cared about Yu-Gi-Oh! for years anon

>>102280574
>reserve list cards in 2025
>liquidity

pick one and one only

>>102272434
Never thought I'd be posting this on /vt/

>>102267594
I thought based on the name it was a Yu-Gi-Oh ripoff, but it was a MTG rip-off.

New English sets sold out

>>102285127
holy crap, I do have a question about the TCGs in japan, are the 5 cards per pack just a pokemon thing, or do most card games there have that?

>>102285147
>rip-off
It's made by the same company. The first few chapters of the Duel Masters manga even has them playing MTG

>>102285337
Large pack sizes is a western phenomenon. All games in Asian countries have 5-6 card packs, the exception being MTG since it's western made and sells the same product globally

>>102285561
MtG also has draft games so packs need to be larger for balance reasons

>>102271186
That sounds pretty nice but this is the nth card game that I'll skip because I have nobody to play with.

>>102285337
Card games are still for kids (supposedly) so lots of the games still try to keep their packs around the 200-yen mark. which necessitates smaller pack size.
Also with the pokemon shortage some shops are limiting sales to school children, keeping with the whole 'for kids' thing.
Some foreign games like lorcana adapted to the japanese way (and are locally published by takara tomy) and have smaller japanese pack sizes and box sizes but they've got the disney license to deal with so their packs are ~300yen.

>>102267040 (OP)
>Duel Masters higher than MTG and Yugioh
What the FUCK?

>>102288625
You have no clue how hard it went in Japan, it is an influential pillar

>>102288761
I liked the gameboy game

>>102267040 (OP)
0 chance and it down hill from here

>>102290821
I wonder why idiots insist on saying stupid shit like this that's instantly disproven by the sales numbers that are public because they're a public Company.
The cards are making obscene amounts of money.

>numbers
>bait question in the OP

>>102267040 (OP)
wow, I always thought dual masters was yugioh

>>102267040 (OP)
what the fuck is duel masters? how the fuck are yugioh and mtg below it?

>>102267040 (OP)
Of course it will sell well, but who the fuck is going to play it. Ill stick to shitty ass hearthstone and MTGA when I get the itch for cardboard.

>>102291589
In-universe, the card game in Yu-Gi-Oh is called Duel Monsters. Maybe that's where you got confused.
>>102291632
WotC's (successful) attempt at making a card game for Japan. Dunno the history between it and Yu-Gi-Oh, but MtG has historically had trouble gaining traction in Japan, which led to the creation of Duel Masters in the first place. It's only recently that MtG has begun rising up the ranks, due to WotC heavily promoting it and making Japan exclusive promo cards to grab more interest away from other games in the Japanese market.

>>102291632
>Duel Masters (デュエル・マスターズ, Dyueru Masutāzu) is a multimedia franchise consisting of multiple manga and anime series, a trading card game, and several video games. It began as a manga adaptation of Magic: The Gathering before branching off in 2002.

>The Duel Masters Trading Card Game is a two-player or two vs. two team collectible card game (CCG) jointly developed by Wizards of the Coast and Takara Tomy (itself an affiliate of Hasbro, which owns WotC). The card game is part of the Duel Masters franchise.[1]

>The game was released in Japan in May 2002, where it quickly became the number one selling trading card game for over a year.[citation needed] Owing to this popularity, it was released in the United States on March 5, 2004. The game shares several similarities with Magic: The Gathering, the world's first collectible card game, which was also published by Wizards of the Coast. In fact, Duel Masters was originally intended as an alternative tradename for Magic: The Gathering and the earlier game play was abandoned in the Duel Masters manga plot to promote this latest experience.

Yuigoh's own card game premiered just three years earlier to Duel Masters (and in original manga form, was just a giant reference to MtG).

>>102292456
WoTC has had nothing to do with Duel Masters since like 2010, I’m pretty sure they don’t even hold any rights to it in Japan. They dumped it due to “weak sales” in the west. TakaraTomy is the company in charge of it in Japan. WoTC technically still holds the rights to DM in west but they don’t do anything with it.

>>102267698
Duel masters is really beloved by the Japanese specially those who grew up with first few seasons of the anime back in the 2000s

Shobu is almost like taichi,yugi or ash/satoshi for a lot of people over there.

>>102292752
>I’m pretty sure they don’t even hold any rights to it in Japan.
A 2 second google search would show their copyright is still on every Duema product released in Japan. Hell, they even recently added their logo to the startup screen WoTC technically still holds the rights to DM in west but they don’t do anything with it.of their digital game when it wasn't there previously
>WoTC technically still holds the rights to DM in west but they don’t do anything with it.
They released an extremely shitty western only reboot of the game in 2015 alongside an equally shitty western cartoon instead of bringing back the actual game.

>>102292930
Dunno how I fucked that post up
>they even recently added their logo to the startup screen of their digital game when it wasn't there previously

>>102292989
Well either way they still just milk it for the copyright aspect and have had no creative input with it since Kaijudo or whatever that abomination was called. I guess that’s why TakaraTomy made Wixoss which is just hot anime girls the card game which plays likes DM. So they don’t have to give WoTC money kek

>>102292989
Speaking of that, it had a Hololive collab!

It’s a top TCG in Japan right now but it will probably only be a small niche in English. The boxes are almost double the price for the English version, the fact that HoloEN keeps hemorrhaging talents hurts any brand loyalty the game might have here, and the organized play will have a minuscule amount of players compared to the Japanese version.

>>102293217
Not to mention that ratios for the English release seem entirely fucked. I just caught wind of Cali opening 100 boxes and not seeing a single signature card. That's 8 cases and some changes. That's fucking insane to not get a single chase rarity in 8 cases. Bushiroad went full fucking greed with this printing.

>>102267040 (OP)
No because the difference from those top from each other is greater than the diffrence from HoloTCG to 10th place

>>102293136
Multiple, even. And like 6 Niji collabs
>>102293111
It's a shame Wixoss died out in my area because I like it a lot.
For whatever it's worth, WOTC does still occasionally offer Duema some MTG crossover cards. And I don't know if it's still the case since it was mentioned in an article years ago, but one of the leader designers on the game at one point in the 2010s was a former MTG designer who moved to Duel Masters full time in 2005

>>102293217
>the fact that HoloEN keeps hemorrhaging talents hurts any brand loyalty the game might have here,
>No Saba/Nimi no buy insert x will fail
Meanwhile in the real world everything these tards said would fail including the concert broke sales records and sold out instantly while Nimi could sell out her concert KEK

>>102293396
Hell Shake?!

>>102288761
I only know about that one weird ass short it had with Megaman for their movies

>>102293574
It's not about what any graduated talents are doing now you sperg. It's more about how the HoloEN as a brand is quickly becoming more of a sterile product rather than just a group of individuals who stream. While the game is decent enough mechanically the main draw is that you can play using the talents you enjoy. If the perception of HoloEN becomes more jaded, people will be less likely to want to buy in to playing as them in this game.

>>102293396
ok I really dig those cell shaded models for the hologirls

>>102293574
>while Nimi could sell out her concert KEK
I'm so proud of her selling out her concert, according to you. Truly a day for a joyful kek.