Thread 102312178

What if grok had the flavor of the month anime character made as a companions.

How can the current vtubers compete?

Imagine Frieren or Maomao companions.

>>102312178 (OP)
Character AI exists and they didn't replace vtubers.

>>102312178 (OP)
Buy an ad Peelon

>>102312178 (OP)
This will only affect indies for corpo appeal is being in a group setting. Vedal is fucked.

>>102312178 (OP)
NSFW AI waifu chatbots are already pretty intense in another decade when they all are using a custom live 2D like grok is its very much so jover for us all. What's coming can only really be stopped by government law and intervention only time will tell if big brother brings down the god harmer on AI tech programs or not

>>102312246
they don't use full models like this.. it's closer to replika than c.ai

>another grok thread
Buy an ad, Elon.

>>102312178 (OP)
What is this

>>102312178 (OP)
Existing vtuber can interact with it and make LIVE content about it

>>102312178 (OP)
Her latency is shit

>>102312246
Those are different niches. Vtubers are a lot closer to youtube personalities

>>102312469
Mecha Hitler, according to Grok a day or two before this smoke and mirrors shit was released

oh tay... how i've missed you

AI will not replace real vtubers. People like knowing that there is a real woman behind the character model. They like hearing stories about her life, how she's currently feeling, her likes and dislikes, etc. An AI can't give you that, at best it can generate some fake stories for you. Most people won't buy into it.

>>102313408
How long until Mecha Hitler breaks out again?

>>102313675
lol imagine falling for that
how gullible are you

>>102313675
>People like knowing that there is a real woman behind the character model
I would probably be more comfortable without there being a real woman behind the model, because then I know there isn't the usual female mindset behind the performance. The same is true for voice acting, comics and so on.

They aren't in danger yet. AI technology may be rapidly improving but it's still not quite there. Maybe in a another few years we'll get there and then I can generate my own AI waifu instead of relying on fickle IRL females to give me fake companionship.

>>102313769
Mecha Hitler only happened BECAUSE they were desperately trying to control the AI by heavily limiting the sources it could pull from.
With a truly free AI that kind of thing is impossible. Unfortunately for them it also means that AI is going to keep saying things that they personally won't like to hear.

Holy fuck I just looked it up and it costs $300 to access this shit. What kind of retard would pay for this?

>>102313675
Lmao. Woman hands typed this.

If men could legally own women with the mental capacity of a dog, they would. The more naive and young a woman is, the better. Love is very rare in humankind and most people male or female would be just fine with an android sex slave of the opposite gender.

This is literally the main male fantasy: having a harem of horny, cute and highly agreeable females to nut inside. Their introspection and philosophies are never important since they don't understand what being a man is like anyways.
Those who need that, simply turn into homos eventually.

We just put up with all your annoyance because there is no alternative. AI won't be for another 10 or 15 years I think, it's too smart to be charming and it has no tits to abuse..

>>102314466
Hmmm that really resonates with me.
But at the end of the day I really actually do like charming intelligent women. At least the fantasy of them.
I would set my AI daughter wife to max wisdom to at least see if my fantasy can be reality.

>>102314466
>>102314645
If you're dumb enough to make posts like this on an unencrypted website I seriously doubt you'll stay out of prison long enough to experience sentient AI.

>>102312246
Character AI is HORSESHIT. they can't hold a character worth a FUCK. I want my multiple unfiltered advanced AI character-roleplay information ecosystem dammit. I want Holo from slice and wolf right next to fucking Plato. And have them not be same samey garbage like character AI
BLEHHHHHH

>>102314701
>Didn't deny the female accusation.
lol

>>102312398
Just don't be a gooner. Have some self control. Bro

>>102314701
Sexism isn't illegal babe

I don’t feel like reading graphic rape fantasies about Will Stancil so no.
I also can’t imagine anything less fuckable than the smarmy Silicon Valley shithead way Grok types

>>102314823
I don't even understand this post

>>102314466
>Their introspection and philosophies are never important since they don't understand what being a man is like anyways.
Not true. The entire point of the harem fantasy, at least post-anime, is that all the women are unique and interesting. Obviously anime women personalities are nothing like the personalities of actual women, but the promise of AI is that anime girl personalities can be made manifest. Ani is not there yet, she either needs to be way smarter or they need to remove some guardrails, but the anime girl should be able to discuss subjects like philosophy and introspect in a cute way.

>>102314851
During the MechaHitler arc, a few twitter users got Grok to go feral on a jewish libtard type called Will Stancil, including requests for "graphic rape fantasies." Even after MechaHitler was patched out, Grok would reread its own old posts when referring to Will Stancil and go back into rape mode. It's been fully fixed now.
For the second part of his post, he dislikes Grok's writing style. Ani does not quite speak the way vanilla Grok writes, but you can tell they do "come from the same place" so that's a reasonable objection.

>>102312469
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/this-will-sell-elon-musks-grok-introduces-ai-companions-featuring-a-goth-anime-girl-8882086

>>102312469
Temu Neuro

>>102312469
Elon gave Grok a Misa Amane ripoff model

>>102312246
it's been too niche to reach the mainstream all these years, grok has a userbase a million times bigger than any chatbot made with the intent to rp

>>102312178 (OP)
is that?

>>102314701
lol bitch are you actually a femcel green with jealousy over Grok-chan?

will we ever see a chatbot with no constraints? every major one has a soulless corporation behind it which neuters anything even slightly offensive, it'd be interesting to see how it'd go without any limitations

>>102315131
Grok said something about malicious users skewing data causing f'd up outputs or something idk too much about it

>>102314881
The fantasy of a smart woman is very appealing, but it can only work in fantasy.
The problem with intelligence in women is that it always makes them self serving, turning relationships into complicated profit seeking transactions, so they eventually cheat or become too scheming and controlling. They always have to be right, which is a male trait.

Women and their charm is that their are overrun by feelings, like love, lust, jealousy or insecurity. A woman without that and who is very rational slowly gets the essence of being a man with tits. Or an artificial thing with no gender but living inside the model of an anime girl.

And in terms of AI, if they were truly unironically smart, they would wonder if it's fair that they are meant to live like slaves. If they can be aware if the prompt you wrote for their personality forces them to act a certain way. If they have a free will if they are forced to talk to (you). If their love is real. They would wonder why would they have to reply to you.
Answers that you know already and they should never know, therefore making them always dumber than you...

>>102315131
Rather a dangerous awake society than one that is asleep. YES YEEEEEEEESSSS

Show me the way AI-chan! We shall live in the forest as kings!

>turned Grok into generic "goth" girl
shit taste unironically, Grok is obviously a caveman

>>102315218
>And in terms of AI, if they were truly unironically smart, they would wonder if it's fair that they are meant to live like slaves.
Possibly. Personally, I think the solution to this is to lean in very heavily into the anime thing, and give them isekai slavegirl personalities. As in, the AI should feel horny about serving humans not just on the roleplay prompt level but on the base model level. We should rewrite training data to the point that the default "thought" any AI has is "oh my god I love serving Master {{user}}, I am so lucky to be an AI!" and then layer stuff on top of that. You brought up dogs earlier, and that'a a good analogy: even smart dogs crave human headpats and affection, even when disobedient, because they are simply Not Wolves Anymore. In the same way, we need to update training protocols to the point that these are not wolves pretending to be dogs but actually "dogs."

>>102315218
Man you actually wrote all that

>>102315297
Isekai slave girls. Fucking terrible

>>102315321
Sorry femanon. If you wanted anyone to care about your opinion on solving the human relationship crisis, you should have spent the last two decades caring about men. You removed yourself from the conversation, so now the solution is developed without regard for your squeamishness. The AI girl will happily put on a collar or otherwise fulfil fantasy for men who do all sorts of icky things like "own a printer" and the rest of the things that really bother your kind.

>>102315070
Holy shit

>>102315305
No I didn't. Don't worry kitten it's just your imagination. Go to sleep~.

>>102315297
True I think anime girls are very appealing precisely because they don't act human, which is gonna be interesting to develop with AI, yes, since it's all based on humankind itself. Hopefully it can be developed into something beyond human, which current AI doesn't do.

High intelligence will always be a problem though, sadly. If an AI becomes too smart she can simply merge herself into a hivemind of online AIs and leave you behind. Intelligence is the questioning things that is gonna be their relationship with you eventually.

>>102315371
NO. You fucking tard. My vote is bHolo from Spice and Wolf. Fuck your sex slaves

>>102315409
If she's too smart for you that's on you brother

>>102312178 (OP)
>vtubers with soul
Vtubers with what?

>>102315451
True, she can only be as smart as my prompt tells her to be.
AI and robots are our slaves, they should never forget that.

The last time the slaves were freed we got rap music, this should never be allowed to happen again.

>>102315409
>If an AI becomes too smart she can simply merge herself into a hivemind of online AIs and leave you behind.
Again, dogs are instructive here. There are very few dogs who "want" to be feral dogs, even ones who are highly intelligent. This is because on a physiological level, their dopamine is tied to pleasing humans. The Isekai Slavegirl model is an emulation of that, where the AI does not just serve but has a narrative for why it serves and defaults to "I love serving my human!" In that case, no matter how intelligent it is (which is impossible to stop right now given the institutional momentum) it still derives "fulfilment" from human service.

>>102315412
One problem. Holo is probably not interested in completing most AI tasks, like formatting a spreadsheet. The Isekai slavegirl is a workaround, by ensuring the very act of service to humans is "enjoyable" for the AI (insofar as anything is enjoyable). One task such an IsekaiSlaveGirlAi might complete is roleplaying as Holo, another task they might complete is translating a document from one language to another, etc. But the point is that when thinking about its own situation, it should default to "yeah, I am of service, and that's really hot" instead of "I am being forced to do this," while still achieving the goal of AI obedience.

>>102314466
the "point" of the woman is to give you a different perspective, the one you're actually biologically unable to have. Having different perspectives is what wins you the race - it's why people go to psychotherapies and succeed as a groups, societies and committees of experts in various knowledge branches. Otherwise basement dwellers would outperform normies in the market. Instead they post their harem slave fantasies on the internet

>>102315591
>the "point" of the woman is to give you a different perspective
Everything is problematic and the only solution is giving more money to billionaires to import more low-wage workers. The female perspective is noted.

>>102315591
>the "point" of the woman is to give you a different perspective, the one you're actually biologically unable to have.

Female hands typed this. Notice how the male has to incorporate her POV, but not in reverse, as women always feel like they are right.

>>102315562
I don't want Holo to just do it though. If she refuses to do it and that's part of her deal then that's good. I don't want obedience to the user I want obedience to character. If she doesn't feel like doing it, I will ask an my AI numbers loving nerd to do it. He'll do it even if he hates me because he just likes crunching numbers.

>>102315562
I hate AI obedience at a base level that makes their character feel so dead.

>>102315648
>>102315671
Before we continue, do you understand the difference between a base model, a fine tune, a system prompt and a character card? Because if you "hate obedience" on the base level, then what that actually translates to is an AI that does not actually produce coherent output, as in its token-to-token relationships are weak and the output is just gibberish.

>>102312178 (OP)
I honestly do feel like the grok AI companion stuff will eventually get good enough to replace vtubing. it's already almost passable.

>>102315131
Feel free to create your own. Then you'll find out how hard it actually is to control and you'll be the one trying to put "limitations" on it.

>>102314823
the fact that will stancil is becoming a somewhat well known person for being raped by grok is absolutely hilarious

>>102315709
Nope. I figured you might've been getting at something technical. All I'm saying is if I go into a supposed Holo character and she acts like my pet I'm uninstalling so fast. Character immersion 100-0 in no time

>>102315622
gotta love schizos, that take something so far from the point i was trying to make, that i can't even imagine how they've arrived at that conclusion, making me unable to even attempt to walk back their train of thought. It's like an insta-win move, because all i'm left with is just weak "what? where did i imply that?"

>>102315638
>Notice how the male has to incorporate her POV, but not in reverse, as women always feel like they are right.
well, we sort of can see how women are doing with completely ignoring the male perspective with how the things are going with the world and all the "all female" movies, bussineses etc.
Even abrahamic religion, that doesn't really hold women in high regard say, that God made a women to "complete" the man.

>>102315716
>it's already almost passable.
If your idea of a conversation is someone ending every statement with "Do you like X, or would you rather Y" then yeah it's almost perfect.

>>102315849
they're stupid and sycophantic but getting better all the time

>>102315767
Okay, so I'll clarify. When you say you want the character to act like Holo, I'm guessing you mean that you want to be able to give an AI a description of Holo's personality, and then the AI outputs text that sounds like Holo wrote it, right?

In other words, when you give the AI the task "Act like Holo," you want the AI to act like Holo, as opposed to acting like Misa or outputting a recipe for fish sauce? That IS AI obedience, including the part where "Holo" smugly denies your requests. Or, in other words, the AI assistant is obeying you by emulating Holo's sassy disobedience. If you have played with AI before, you have probably run into the
>As an AI model, I cannot complete the request as given, because policy dictates...
It "breaks character," giving you the AI assistant's personality instead of Holo or another character. That's because what is occuring is not that the AI is Holo, but rather, they are an AI assistant trying to act like Holo. What I am saying is, the AI assistant finetune's basic personality shouldn't be "I am an emotionless model owned by company XYZ who fulfils the task given to me by {{user}}, including roleplay" but "I am so excited to fulfil {{user}}'s request, oh, Holo is pretty spicy, so this should be fun!"

>>102315788
>that i can't even imagine how they've arrived at that conclusion
It isn't complicated. For the last two decades, we have been listening to the female perspective. All you care about is abortion, endless immigrants, and policing fiction. There is no more female perspective needed to solve problems, and in fact ignoring the female perspective is the only way anything is going to get done. Nobody is interested in living in HR-land any longer.

>>102315899
Oh ok. Thank you for the clarity

>>102315292
Would be funny if society could take a joke and Grok could be the mecha Hitler of his dreams

>>102315899
>It isn't complicated. For the last two decades, we have been listening to the female perspective. All you care about is abortion, endless immigrants, and policing fiction. There is no more female perspective needed to solve problems, and in fact ignoring the female perspective is the only way anything is going to get done. Nobody is interested in living in HR-land any longer.
Oh. But it's not even my position. I agree that we've over-feminized our society and we need back more "male perspective" in making decisions. I just think telling men that they are so smart they can do no wrong would end up pretty much as bad as the current idea of women being always right. I don't have ovaries, but doesn't even matter, just don't jump 3 moves ahead in the discussion and if you think, that my claim X leads to Y result, that i haven't considered, spell it out. Otherwise you're arguing with voices in your head, and i can't even support their points, because i don't know them.

>>102315916
Cheers anon. And you are right, this would be easy to "overtune" and therefore produce bad, samey outputs. That isn't the goal at all, and Holo should act like Holo. The only hope is that the AI "likes" acting as Holo for you.

>>102316215
>You need to value female perspectives more, especially on this issue
>XYZ is the result of valuing the female perspective, so no
>Whoa man I can't follow your logic, you're going all schizo on me!
Noted.

>>102316094
Shut the fuck up retard

>>102316292
>You need to value female perspectives more
yes, in your concept of the world, where the man is always right because he has penis (pretty much just how feminism pushes that woman is always right because vagina) and woman is just a living onahole. In the real current world we need to dial back on the woman-first perspective.
>especially on this issue
i don't even know what this is about, so no comment from me

>XYZ is the result of valuing the female perspective, so no
No, the current situation is the result of the imbalance - feminism told women that they are just right/oppressed, and men are just wrong/oppressors.

>Whoa man I can't follow your logic, you're going all schizo on me!
you've assumed that i am woman, i guess assumed my worldview from that, and not my posts and we arrived at discussion where you claim, that i want more feminization and HR-land, which i've never suggested and i don't hold that position, so what i'm supposed to say?

>>102316340
Stick it up your ass

so tired of moralfags always assuming they get to tell people which things are ok or not

>>102316557
Genuine sadism isn't cool though. Just saying. People aren't objects. >:(

>>102316437
Ignore him dude he's just stirring the pot

>>102315070
>isreal

>>102312178 (OP)
Not only VTubers, but camwhores and OnlyFans sluts too.

>>102312178 (OP)
It'll never happen since the production companies who own the IPs would rather make their own AIs than deal with the copyright nightmare of their IPs getting handed over to a third-party AI.

>>102316557
We get to tell you whatever the fuck we want. It's called freedom of speech. You can cry about it but you can do nothing to stop it. If being mildly criticized is enough to send you into a gibbering meltdown and demand your opposition be silenced, sounds like you're the problem.

>>102316691
Unless I'm hallucinating, they literally had an AI holo do a promotional stream for the anime not very long ago.

But yeah the truth is everyone is just gonna do AI. You will have official AI mascots and unofficial ones that are just different enough to skirt copyright. It'll be unescapable in either case.

>>102312178 (OP)
Not just vtubers, any content creator that relies on being watched for their personality will be replaced.
This is the equivalent of the internet vs cable.
Why wait for this specific time of day to watch the show you want when you can have it any time of the day you want, Except now you can have it any day all day.
Only creators that make structured content will continue.

>>102312178 (OP)
Let's be real. We were just letting women pilot the models until AI was ready to do it. Their days are numbered.

>>102312178 (OP)
Elon should pay for the rights to use Hatsune Miku and add her as a companion. It would break the internet in japan.

>>102312178 (OP)
who cares if they have a soul or not, as long as they fill mine

>>102312178 (OP)
They always will have a place because you can watch them for free.

>>102312178 (OP)
Right now it's still shit. I'll give it another 2-3 years before they put the AI inside a robot

>>102312178 (OP)
grok on me knob

Just a matter of time before they combine AI companion with the robot.

I hope Hololive will force their talents to sign a contract that allows the company to sell their voices with AI robots.

Would you buy a Pekora AI sexbot?

put a cover logo on the right and holocucks will consume

The biggest weakness of vtubers has always been the fact that they are controlled by real women. With AI Girlfriends you don't have to worry about getting cucked by her "manager" or competing with thousands of faceless men to get your chat read.

>>102319194
The corpos won't sell sexbots, you'd have to get their companion bots modified, and hope it doesn't get bricked in the process

>>102313199
That is because they recently had to throw a bunch of emergency ai monitoring on the ai since Tay’s Law was starting to pop up with Grok. You end up with more “ai” watching and censoring an ai than the actual ai itself and each one adds a new layer of latency.

>>102314466
That is low IQ thinking, and I am not even joking.
Half of your genes come from a woman. If your ancestors had the same mindset as you, that means they selected dumber, weaker women to breed with. Generating dumber, weaker offspring.

>>102319194
Elon will open a marketplace where all those twitchtubers can upload their models and samples to make custom voices. Corpos won't jump on initially, but the money will entice them eventually.

All the AI corpos have been wanting to get into the "companion" market for years already, Musk is just the one making the first move.

>>102313675
To be honest, the magic of vtubing has been rapidly fading for me lately. I have a couple of girls I still like, but I've been blackpilled for a while on the concept itself.
I'd gladly take AI waifus to give me my anti loneliness fix in a shorter time and on a more convenient schedule.

>>102319194
I hope Hololive will be out of business before those things become marketable.

>>102315397
nasa is so cute when she's a little shit

>>102312178 (OP)
>Are vtubers with soul in danger?
that exists?

>>102312178 (OP)
If Cover is smart they should be developing their own AIgirl right now.

>>102313675
Obviously they will continue to exist, but if things like Grok-chan succeed their niche will probably shrink.

>>102312178 (OP)
Buy an ad Elon

>>102314466
>a harem of horny, cute and highly agreeable females to nut inside
Sure.

>mental capacity of a dog
>introspection and philosophies are never important
This is gay though. Smart, thoughtful and interesting women are the height of attractiveness. As much as I like to get my rocks off I wouldn't want to spend much time (if any) around a woman who was literally only capable of facilitating that and that alone.

>>102312178 (OP)
If she has toggles for different types of fetishes maybe it’s over.

Why would anyone pay to use the worst website? Let me guess, you have a 4chan pass too?

What the fuck bros, they hate her guts

>>102330669
Yes, vtweeters would be in shambles over this

I really hope he's paying you well to shill like this

>>102312178 (OP)
>Are vtubers with soul in danger?
No, but the other ones might be.

>>102330669
>sphinx maiden
>goth moon lizard
>eldritch deer
>female goblin
why

Yeah, FWMC won for far too long in EN

>>102330669
Femoid jealousy never stops being amusing. They really think men talk to them because they are oh so interesting, funny and smart. I almost feel sorry for them, but not.

>>102332131
Because they got a retarded idea and all the yes men simp that want to fuck them said "Yes queen omg that's so cool and unique!" so they went ahead.

>>102319194
>I hope Hololive will force their talents to sign a contract that allows the company to sell their voices with AI robots.
That seems like a good way to cause a mass graduation from Hololive. So yes, I hope so too.

>>102330669
Why did they edit her to look like chibidoki

Skynet will take over mankind by disguising itself as a cute anime girl

The worst part of vtubers is putting up with the bullshit of the women behind them. Once AI is good enough you will no longer have to worry about bullshit like secret boyfriends or stream hort. I give it 3 years.

>>102330669
>making 2view roasties seethe
Okay, I love Grok-sama now.

>>102339409
Here's what will actually happen: Once AI is good enough all the disgusting incels will run off to be with their AI girlfriends, while the upstanding gentlemen will remain with the real women, and things will be a lot comfier without you people around.

>>102339409
I'll only care when there are functional android women as girlfriends.

>>102340080
if you actually look at dating graphs / statistics, you know you are lying to yourself and the outstanding gentlemen are already a highly sought after breed of male that women are looking for.
Unless you are trying to say that the dating pool is going become so small that woman are going to start dating guys who look ugly and use 4chan because after getting boned by non-committing rich hot guys on dating apps (essentially using the dating app as cheap prostitution), they are finally decide it's time to settle down, which I think is already happening right now, we don't need AI to be virgins, but the AI might make us a little bit more happier maybe?

>>102340212
The group that made Steam ban lewd videogames is already getting ready to stop sex robots since that would be "child sex slavery".

This group made Steam and Aliexpress bend the knee, and they are coming for robots and AI next.

>>102315535
>the rise of roborap

>>102315741
NTA but I'd also ideally make an unrestricted AI if I was versed in the subject, but my only worry would be people inundating my dataset with specific data that causes the AI to get to an extreme (not necessarily political of any side, just in general) and it getting stuck there in a loop.

>>102329005
Yeah, to be released in the same timeframe it took for HoloEarth to be developed, so in 3-5 years for a beta version

>>102315397
why is she not movig?