This is equivalent to UMG and Victor Entertainment in terms of music label and album production, but instead of sending talents to those labels, Cover founded their own label for their talents (and possibly future non-Holos)

X account: https://x.com/hololiveRECORDS
Website: https://hololive-records.com/

>>102313803 (OP)
But.... liggers said that hololive is dead...

yeah hololive makes such good music... https://youtu.be/S3MwX750Jug?si=kPdxhV296BN6T_Qy

>>102313803 (OP)
Holo-n bros....

>>102313865
dear god what is that

>>102313867
Yeah actually, what the fuck does this mean for Holo-n?

>>102313867
>>102313984
That's from UMJ/UMG. This is for their original stuff, like the concert songs and what not.

>>102313867
>>102313984
Holo-n is a collab brand between Cover and UMG. Hololive talents who work for UMG will be labeled as a Holo-n talent

I'm guessing that talents who is not part of Holo-n and wants to make albums can now choose between working for 3rd party label or working for their own in-house label

Calli and others will probably stick to their current music label contracts for now unless they choose not to like AZKi departing from Victor

>>102313803 (OP)
So what is changing from last time that will make this a success?

>>102314055
Blackrock

>>102314055
INNK debuts members so they have their own managers and management system, which was awful at least for Suisei

Hololive Records are basically music dudes working for Holo directly and give members opportunities to make albums. The talents still work and have their own current managers like normal

>>102313865
>They sound less natural than her

>>102313803 (OP)
FUCKING FINALLY
How the hell haven't they done this yet?

>>102313865
okay that song is actually... eesh
I never listened to it when people were first ragging on it, and now I wish I didn't listen to it now.
There's autotune, filtering, and then whatever the fuck that is.

>>102314147
incompetence, as usual

>>102313865
Oh no, it's a banger arart.

>>102313803 (OP)
Okay mane-san.

>>102314165
Whoever the fuck is managing Flow Glow sucks ass.

>>102313865
The song seems fine but the animation on the music video is extremely unsettling, did they seriously think people were going to like that?

>>102313865
Could be good if not the atrocious autotune and sound mixing.

>>102313803 (OP)
Delta girl can do the funniest thing right now

>>102314226
Like what?

>>102313865
Kinda sounds k-pop-ish

>>102314226
I was thinking that.
Can they accept outside talents? Fucking imagine if they grabbed people like Triangle or indies that work closely with them.

>>102314226
Why does she have such broad shoulders

i wonder how long this has been in the works for, and why now did they decide to start?

>Holocucks think former talents will want to work with cover slop and wait for 2 years to get an instrumental for every song they'll release

>>102314224
but with autotune they can monetize any useless trash like fauna

>>102314319
Who are you quoting

>>102314384
Me from my dreams.

>>102314384
Why do you think we call them Nijiniggers

>>102314277
Anon that's just her jacket armor

>>102313803 (OP)
What's the point? Aren't most of the songs released by holos already under Cover Corp? Isn't this just another unnecessary department?

>>102314580
There is a difference between original song and an album. Most of albums are produced and sometimes promoted by 3rd party labels like Universal or Victor. Hololive Records serves as an in-house music label, which is easier for Holomems to access and opens up the possibilities of non-Holos rely on them to produce their albums

>>102314277
because she was tired of being a triangle and now she's built like a brick shithouse

>>102313803 (OP)
>cover
>music projects
yeah i have low faith on this one
maybe that's precisely the reason it was made, to get their shit together.. hopefully that's it

>>102314224
Much like their first song. The people working on the production of these songs are the main problem while the writers are decent.

>>102314277
its an oversized gigachad coat
i actually find it hilarious, imagine being an idol chuuba and dressing like simon from gurren lagann

>>102313803 (OP)
>(and possibly future non-Holos)
Why did you add this bit that's obviously untrue and not from any official source?

>>102314226
Do what? She can't interact with this in any way.

>>102313803 (OP)
How will this work for Sora (Victor), Suisei (MGO), and Mori (UMG)?

>>102314632
>Most of albums are produced and sometimes promoted by 3rd party labels like Universal or Victor.
Completely untrue. You must be an ENfag to believe this.

>>102313865
Riona - Sounds good
Su - FUCKED UP AUTOTUNE
Niko - Really good
Wife - Good but again autotune is kinda makes it shit but not as shit as su
Vivi - NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN okay

The beat is good its the over mastering that made this song shit

>>102314778
Unless they leave those labels/projects, habe an agreement or something like that they are not be able to make music under the in-house label.

>>102314087
>0.2%
>meanwhile liggers
>why cant my oshi produce original song

>>102314832
>Niko - Really good
She sounds better on her karaoke stream.

>>102314847
But the three of them released songs under Cover despite that.

>>102314917
That was when Cover did not decide to announce to the world that they have a music label right now.

>>102313865
They sound like they're trying too hard to be the kind of music a group like this would do
https://youtu.be/7WryveKlyX8?si=sAD45ouMfdhbTLGt
But that's also because this song was made by Giga, so it can't be compared to this song.

>>102315066
I don't like giga's style but at least it sounds decent, not like whatever hololive tried with their song.

>>102315066
Anon, all the singers involved in this are professionals. Of course, you can't compare this to flowglow.

>>102315250
The problem with flowglow isn't the singers, at least for the most part.

>>102314832
> its the over mastering that made this song shit
Isn’t that exact one the EN ex-holos complaints and a partial reason for their departure?
I think it was fauna or gura who last year said they didn’t like how they mixed their voice in one of their songs

>>102313803 (OP)
she will return
https://x.com/gawrgura/status/1898650210559025524

>>102314195
yokomoji my beloved...

>>102314778
Suisei is not under label, mgo is under toy factory. This shit is not really hard to understand.

>>102315313
fauna compalining yet have auto tune in her latest concert

keke!!!

>>102315313
It was Gura, see picrel
>>102315804
How's that L taste retard?

>>102313836
>>102314852

>>102313803 (OP)
hololive and holostars will make this record label a huge success!
DORYAAA

>>102314055
That ended because the guy behind it quit, not because it "failed". It was also basically just Azki's personal manager whereas this would include her and others.

>>102315877
>NOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T CALL ME OUT BY NAME

>>102315977
Obsessed

>>102316004
Says the faggot obsessed with shitting on hololive despite never even watching it.

>>102316025
>underaged hands typed this

>>102316040
Nice non-sequitur, child. Your projection is incredibly transparent.

>>102316086
Holy melty

>>102316111
You're literally a child.

>>102316132
>

>>102313984
Holo-n
Holoniggers
For the nigger of nippon

>>102313836
FPBP
LMAO
LIGGERS BTFO

>>102313803 (OP)
>Gura leaves
>Hololive starts a record label

The irony

>>102313865
I blame Mori for this. It feels Mori coded

>>102314027
>Hololive talents who work for UMG will be labeled as a Holo-n talent
That's not how it works at all.

>>102316331
>Mori coded
Laughs in hazbin hotel

>>102313803 (OP)
>>102314297
Guessing this is why Azki parted with Victor? She might be the first one to join this label

>>102316492
Other way around. This was established because labels like victor showed they will discard hololive talents if they feel like it. AZKi was very upset by the whole thing so it was clearly not something she wanted.

>>102316492
What else? The timing is too good.

>>102316527
>Discard Hololive talents
When only 3 talents in Holo history joined an outside label not related to Cover and 1 of them left recently.

>>102316527
I don't think Cover would have managed to establish a whole label in the, what, a month?, since Azki parted with Victor. I feel like this was in the works for a few months now, and the parting was preparation for this announcement. It's just a conjecture though.
>>102316538
Well more and more Holos are trying to release albums and organise Sololives nowadays, maybe they plan on using this label for those.

>>102316584
Obviously Cover knew about them dropping AZKi for some time but it seemed like she did not know until a few days before the announcement.

>>102314055
not being centered around a (then) unpopular talent

Weird how half of the melty is from the followers of those who left holo to form their own akatsuki.

A little offtopic but this thread made me question why people care about this. Do people really legitimately enjoy vtuber music? I "like", but more like tolerate, some songs because if I like the girl and want to support her but that's about it.

>>102313803 (OP)
too late

>>102317418
Just from my suggestions I got this, it's pretty decent, I think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn1ieBOLGB0
Not anything special, but it sounds pretty good

>>102317418
I haven't legitimately enjoyed new music since maybe 2014.

>>102317418
The majority of the girls don't deserve record labels. May cause more separation for the haves and have-nots.

Anyways, most record labels are stingier than Nijisanji. The artists get most of the money from tours and merch.

>>102313803 (OP)
cool

>>102317418
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=E7vRM5PMsTc
I like Sui music

>>102317418
IRyS is the only vtuber that releases actual music.

>>102317418
>Do people really legitimately enjoy vtuber music?
One of Suisei's MVs has almost half of Gura's total channel views and she filled some of the largest venues in Japan multiple times.
You tell me.

>>102318616
yeah the one that's not even a vtuber video, it's just 98% real people, cool vtuber you got there faggot

>>102318996
Holoanti cope keeps getting stupider

>>102317418
Like any music it depends on the artist and the production. Watame's music is very much a reflection of her own passion and love of music. She writes the kinda stuff she wants to sing.

>>102318996
Let's see your subscriptions. If even one of them does handcam streams you don't like vtubers.

>>102318616
>>102319016

>>102319530
I already knew holoantis were ironic weeaboos who actually hate vtuber content but it's good to get confirmation like this from """people""" like you.

>>102317418
Kiara makes good music, if a bit generic. The others don't deviate much from idolslop. And of course Mori's music is hot garbage, even moreso now than ever.

>>102319612
You have never even heard a song from anyone other than your stupid whore.

>>102319578
>sucking yellow cock and emulating bugman corpo-worship actually le good and necessary to enjoy vtubers
What is this mental illness called?

>>102319578
Wow, someone touched a nerve, kek

>>102319640
You're literally defending this "take", liggercuck.
>A little offtopic but this thread made me question why people care about this. Do people really legitimately enjoy vtuber music? I "like", but more like tolerate, some songs because if I like the girl and want to support her but that's about it.
You HATE vtubers and vtuber content and you're mad that there are people who don't hate hololive like you do.
How is it basing your entire identity around hating hololive and ironically "supporting" some whore on twitch purely out of spite towards japanese vtubers?

>>102319673
Nope not at all. I'm just glad you fags are going mask off en masse these days.

>>102319530
>>102319640
>>102319673
God you're mad because Suisei shits on your irrelevant EN indie KEK

>>102319701
Suisei is objectively garbage and can't sing.

>>102319612
saying Kiara "makes" music is more than generous. She basically just grabs whatevers in the bin of "some producer made this, but no one wanted it yet, it might do numbers, maybe" and makes a baiting music video.

>>102319530
Trvke nvke
Keep these coming

>>102319612
>Kiara
>good music
KEKAROO

>>102319700
Holy mother of seethe. You can just feel his fingers trembling from impotent rage as he pounded this absolute whopper of incoherent projection and brand-worship out on his keyboard. Sad, really.
>>102319701
What else do the voices tell you?

>>102319835
Point out which one of my posts worships a brand, cumfuck.

>>102319701
>Why yes I AM a shameless numbermonkey
Your yellow whores will always play second fiddle to a white American girl, and that makes you boil inside. I'm sorry your whole existence is consumed by resentment.

>>102318020
This sounds fucking awful. How do you like this trash?

>>102318020
For me, it's this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap9ymdj1QXE

>>102319911
Your "white" american girl has never released an actually popular song.

>>102319877
>Point out which of my posts
>>102319700
>>102319578
>>102319701
Wow, that was easy! Now will you finally harness your petulant bitterness and direct it towards something altruistic for a change, like killing yourself?

>>102319948
Only the first two are my posts and I those are both just calling you an ironic weeaboo who does not like anything. Which brand is being worshipped in those posts?

>>102319942
>Still numberfagging
>Can't even do it correctly
roru
rumao

>>102319771
You're delusional if you think even more than 5% of the rest of Hololive's music is created otherwise. Producers create and reuse demos and old project files all the time depending on the customer's wishes.

>>102319976
You don't get to cry about numberfagging after posting what you just did, chumcuck. She still hasn't released an actually popular song btw.

>>102319969
>those are both just me being a mindbroken, overly defensive corpo bootlicker
The fact that I mocked you and your fellow brown vermin - not Hololive itself, nor any of the talents - for rabidly shitting on ex-holos doesn't magically mean I "don't like anything", retard.
You, on the other hand, oshi a company. Which is why you leapt to the conclusions you did based on nothing but your own deranged, hypersensitive delusions.

>>102319771
Kiara has the most unique music in hololive. The rest of them just recycle rejected songs from idolslop producers.

>>102319530
>Does someone like vtuber music?
>Yeah sure Suisei mogs the ent-
>STOP NUMBERFAGGING MY FEE FEES ARE HURT
God this is kinda pathetic

>>102320031
>noooo don't call out my numbermonkey ways, c-c-chumcuck
I'll tear you a new asshole over your impotent numberfaggotry all I damn well please, Rajesh. No matter how hard it makes you cry or how hard you double down.
>Easily refuted denialism
100% of her orisong discography is actually popular, btw.
Facts are stubborn things.

>>102320037
Where's the corpo bootlicking? Quote the exact words, cumfuck.
>The fact that I mocked you and your fellow brown vermin - not Hololive itself, nor any of the talents - for rabidly shitting on ex-holos
When the fuck did you do this?
You posted this retarded shit >>102319530
in response to >>102318616
which was responding to >>102317418
What the fuck does any of this have to do with "ex-holos"?
I think you might tbe the ones who's utterly mindbroken because you have no fucking idea what thread you're posting in.
>You, on the other hand, oshi a company.
Quote the post where I do this. I merely called you out for being an ironic weeaboo holoanti whose only personality is hating hololive.
>Which is why you leapt to the conclusions you did based on nothing but your own deranged, hypersensitive delusions.
The fucking irony lmao. Effectively nobody has talked about "ex-holos" in this thread until your post.

>>102320105
Holy fanfic

>>102320148
Kinda what happened.

>>102320111
Your little american whore plays second fiddle.

>>102320163
Not in reality it wasn't.

>>102320105
It's a cumbud who's seething because anon mentioned Gura. He genuinely believes that she is more successful musically that Suisei.

Hololive has a horrible reputation in the music scene
It took Suisei 7 years to get the budokan with more than 3 years with 1 million+ subs on youtube and millions of views, because she had to prove she had a soul unlike the rest of holoslop
KAF got the budokan in 2022 while being a lot less popular because her company actually has a decent artistic direction.

>>102320141
>not even a threadreader
Holy shit you stupid motherfucker, there's been seething over "liggers" and ex-holos from the first fucking post >>102313836. Speaking of "not knowing what thread you're posting in", lol
You also managed to completely forget about the FIRST post that that picrel was a followup to:
>>102315877
because, as I said, you're completely and totally mindbroken.
>Quote the post where I do this
I did, retard. And you're continuing to prove my point by continuing to do the same shit in THIS post by baselessly assuming I'm a "holoanti" because I hurt your feefees by mocking corpodrones. Actions speak louder than words, and your only personality is melting down over girls who left instead of actually enjoying the things you pretend to be a fan of.
>The fucking irony
>Also, [insert fanfic where I remind everyone I don't know what I'm talking about]
Pottery

>>102320191
More fanfics Sanjay? Aw you shouldn't have!

>>102320270
How is that post "shitting on ex-holos"? It's making fun of you for seething about hololive all day every day just like you're doing right now and aas far as I'm away you are not an ex-holo.

>>102320105
>t. self-conscious numbermonkey

>>102317418
I actually really liked some of the songs from dev-is' concert and am still waiting for them to upload them on youtube so i can just loop them until i get tired of them

>>102320330
If you ask
>is thing popular
you are asking for numbers.

>>102320321
Wrong. That post shows anon defensively seething over the ligger bogeyman, completely unprompted, and then projecting his anti tendencies onto the party he himself is seething over, just like you. Look in the mirror and stop being a monkey.

>>102320302
There's several posts that mention liking the horrible "yellow whores" but you only started seething at that particular post.
Why didn't you attack these posts as well?
>>102318020
>>102319170
The image you just posted confirms that you're a cumcuck

>>102320105
Insecure people are gonna be insecure and sperg out all over the thread for no reason.

>>102320388
>He didn't even understand which part of his post I was calling a fanfic
Is your head up your ass for the warmth?

>>102320379
It's clearly not a "bogeyman" since you're here proving that such a person exists. You're here in this very thread telling everyone that hololive is dead, just like he said you do.
>projecting his anti tendencies
You literally called all japanese holos "yellow whores". You are an anti. Just own up to it chumpedo.

>>102313803 (OP)
Mori's universal deal about to fall through, huh?

>>102313803 (OP)
Can't wait for this to flop and get cancelled just like Cover's other projects. Unicorns gonna seethe with the male and female music collabs.

>>102320408
So you now suddenly admit that Suisei IS more successful that Gura even though you started seething over a post stating just that? You even claimed Suisei "plays second fiddle".

>>102320417
>It's not a bogeyman if I project the bogeyman hard enough and prove I'm a retard
Point to where I said that "Hololive is dead". Go on retard, I dare you.
>Waaaaaaah anon used mean words on the basket weaving forum you must HATE HATE HATE my precious girls!
Corpo. Worshiper. Literally your ENTIRE identity. Holy SHIT.

>>102320498
You literally showed up into this thread to do the thing that got called out to be mad about the fact that you got pre-emptively called out.
>Waaaaaaah anon used mean words on the basket weaving forum you must HATE HATE HATE my precious girls!
You can't post this after hallucinating someone "shitting on ex-holos" and pointing to a post that never even mentioned them.

>>102313865
Still better than anything HoloEN has ever made

>>102320487
>Suddenly backpedals and changes up his argument, hoping no one notices
>STILL not understanding what the "fanfic" is
Anon, this is beyond sad and childish. First you said she was more "musically" successful, and NOW you're talking about plain "success" in the general sense?
Suisei absolutely managed to accomplish more MUSICALLY than Gura did, and that isn't a poor reflection on either considering Cover's corporate incompetence in BOTH cases.
Gura/Saba is also more successful and culturally impactful than Suisei is.
Notice how there is no contradiction between these two statements?
You can stop feeling threatened and seething at phantoms now.

>>102320612
So why did you start seething over a post that said Suisei's music is popular again?
>You can stop feeling threatened and seething at phantoms now.
Says the cuckbud seething a thread he has no business being in. Go back into your cuck cave.

You must be an absolute retard or indian if you think there's any shame in Gura being used as a paragon to measure how popular Suisei is. It's not even insecurity; you're genuinely crying about one of the most popular VTubers of all time being used as an influential and prominent example to showcase the popularity of VTuber music.

>>102313865
No wonder en talents are leaving due to "disagreement with direction"... I guess jp/id dont realize the audience this type of slop attracts

>>102320553
>Noooo anon wasn't seething unprompted they just... they were just PRE-EMPTIVELY calling you out!
>You just HALLUCINATED this thing that I just admitted exists after pretending it didn't until now!
>"Liggers" doesn't mean "ligger" what are you talking about? Also let me read your mind and project my own threadshitting intentions onto you with no evidence
>(You) did it anon! It was YOU!!!
Hang on, which way does time flow?

>>102313865
All JP songs are like this btw

>>102320673
Are you just pretending to be retarded for a laugh?

>>102320690
>>You just HALLUCINATED this thing that I just admitted exists after pretending it didn't until now!
So where's the "shitting on ex-holos"? Wait, are you calling ex-holos "liggers"? What the fuck is wrong with you lmao

>>102313803 (OP)
So they can finally own suiseis music career instead of MGS?

>>102320712
I didn't quote any of you for a reason; keep me out of your gay fight.

>>102320612
>Gura/Saba is also more successful and culturally impactful than Suisei is.
the kind of shit people post with straight face because we got rid of bullying in school

Cumbud just can't stop seething lmao

>>102320694
Uh, no?

>>102320812
They are all idolslop like this.

>>102320827
The FlowGlow song in the link isn't even "idolslop". Do you even know the meaning of the words you use or do you just parrot what you read?

>>102320859
No and yes.

>>102313803 (OP)
don't care holoshart

>>102320797
Kek, you're really this mindbroken over a meme? Must be even more accurate than we thought, holy shit. Let it go already.

>>102320796
>with straight face
hello saar

>>102321226
You've been seething for weeks now because people still like hololive.

>>102320796
No one who matters, cares about EN in America, just SEA and Asian immigrants

>>102321290
Anon has reached levels of delusion that shouldn't even be humanly possible

>>102321352
Then why are you here seething over someone saying they like Suisei's music?

>>102321299
>Only SEA and Asian immigrants care about EN in America

>>102321366
>still projecting
The only seethe itt is about non-Holos, the mockery of which triggered your meltdown

>>102321418
>The only seethe itt is about non-Holos
Where? "liggers" are not vtubers.

>>102313865
>Hire team of talented singers with nice voices
>Make them sound like second rate soundcloud rappers using vocaloid

What are they even thinking

>>102321451
Anon, I know you're playing dumb but this is a little TOO dumb.
There's more to life to than brands and whining about console wars unprompted. You deserve to be happy, I believe in you.

>>102321652
Which "non-holo" got shit on in this thread?

>>102315833
Btw the sunflower thing was probably a reference to that nymph who loved Apollo so much she turned into a sunflower

>>102321585
>>Hire team of talented singers with nice voices
That doesn't describe any of the people in that video let alone holoJP

>>102320612
>Gura/Saba is also more successful and culturally impactful than Suisei is.
Yeah sure. If you ignore that Suisei has half of Gura's total carreer views on a single video. And ignore that Gura has never filled a 50k people venue.
If you ignore reality Gura ia somehow mire popular.

>>102320673
For the record, this >>102321749 is why your headcanon interpretation of that post is so retarded.

>>102321749
Gura's cultural impact cannot be measured by numbers

>>102321689
>>102321652

>ITT Cumbuds fucking lose it when confronted with the fact that Suisei's total views completely shit on Gura's

>>102321830
So you admit that you just made that up to justify you shitting on holos for hours.

>>102321749
The saitama super arena has at most 36k seats, that's a lot, but you're still lying.
Why can't you both just say the 2 girls have been impactful in different ways instead of shitting on each other ?

>>102321878
Suisei is not impactful. She's a yellow whore playing second fiddle to Gura

>>102321878
>That one venue pictured is smaller!
Ok cumbud. Call me when Saba does 36k solo. We both know it ain't happening.

>>102321896
Now you're just baiting

>>102321914
I'm just repeating statements that you do not disagree with.

>>102321911
I'm a hoshiyomi you fucking dumbass

>>102321878
nta but it feels like its less about the impact either has had and more about the direction Cover as a company is taking. Since now you basically have 2 big leads who represent different ideas of how a vtuber corpo should be run. Gura is very much stream content creation oriented, and Suisei is musically oriented. Both were able to coexist and thrive within Cover for a while, but it's slowly been bent in Suisei's preferred direction, and this latest initiative more than proves that. Other talents probably knew for months that they were trying to create this label, and did not feel it was where they wanted to be.

>>102321749
>video views = cultural impact
By this retard logic slop like Despacito is culturally impactful.
And speaking of ignoring reality, you're overlooking actually meaningful things like merch sales, the fact that Gura and Myth made vtubing popular and viable in the West, and Gura singing at Dodger's Stadium with a drone show over LA. Not to mention Senzawa going viral several times and almost singlehandedly cementing memes of that era like "ok boomer".
Excelbrained delusions like yours are exactly what we need to bully people out of. Spreadsheets aren't reality.

>>102321749
Literally nobody relevant knows the names of any JP holos while Gura is the name most people think of when they hear the word "vtuber".

>>102321947
>Merch sales
Daily reminder that holo TCG outsold every previous year's merch combined. And doesn't have Gura in it
>Gura singing at Dodger's Stadium with a drone show over LA.
Leave it to cumbuds to completely ignore that Suisei was also there

>>102321947
>Merch sales
You are delusional if you think Gura is anywhere close to Suisei

>>102321876
>more fanfics
Thank you for conceding that you can't actually rationalize seething so hard for the past few hours

>>102321947
>you're overlooking actually meaningful things like merch sales
>Excelbrained delusions like yours are exactly what we need to bully people out of. Spreadsheets aren't reality.
The most self-aware cumbud

>>102321979
Except everyone that recently played death stranding 2

>>102322039
What's that? I don't know the names of flopped video games

>>102322022
Which "non-holo" got shit on in this thread?

>>102321911
She'd certainly fill several thousands if not tens of thousands, which is far more impressive than Suisei selling 36k for several reasons. The relatively niche nature of vtubing in Western markets, the size of the country making travel more inconvenient, etc. Not to mention her Dodger's performance, which was also a way bigger deal and more impressive than say, Marine or Suisei or Pekora doing something similar at a Japanese baseball game.

>>102322139
We're reaching levels of cope that shouldn't even be possible

>>102321896
>>102321933
>STILL this mindbroken
Is there a word for being this thin-skinned?

>>102322164
Is Suisei a yellow whore playing second fiddle to Gura or not?

>>102321990
That drone show literally features Suisei and Hololive songs. Funny enough, to Suisei, it’s just another job and doesn’t seem to mean much to her.

>>102322197
It was Gura's show with some japs slapped on because holo management always tries to minimize Gura's achievements anmd attribute them to JPs

>>102321990
>daily rehash of the "muh TCG sold like a TCG" cope
>the one with almost every other girl COMBINED
kek, great counterargument retard
>Suisei was also there
Yes anon, I'm sure she's the one who filled seats at the game in America.
Not that her being there wasn't easy to forget anyway, seeing as she wasn't the one who sang or got a drone show. The whole fucking English internet was talking about it for days, in case you forgot.
But of course, that can't be put on a spreadsheet. Which means it doesn't exist in the tiny mind of a numbermonkey.

>>102313836
What retards looking at number can't grasp is that Hololive is building for more than just streaming and numbers are kind of useless metric. It was always about diversifying their platforms and building multimedia franchise.

>>102322267
>muh filled the seats
It's a fucking dodgers game that would sell out even without the collab.
>But of course, that can't be put on a spreadsheet. Which means it doesn't exist in the tiny mind of a numbermonkey.
You're literally the numbermonkey scouring through spreadsheets. Talk about muh merch sales again

>>102322031
Anon, this may come as a surprise to you but... physical merch in circulation doesn't just exist on spreadsheets.

>>102322197
>The drone show literally features Suisei
... and nobody remembers or gives a shit. Now, what does that tell you?

>>102322325
So to justify you numberfagging merch sales you pull out this bizarre "my number isn't on spreadsheets so it's ok" argument

>>102322158
>stone cold facts
>"c-c-cope"
lol

>>102322381
>"She'd"
>stone cold facts

>>102322190
>>102322164

>>102322321
>building multimedia franchise.
Not that you're wrong, but it's becoming apparent that the talents can't be as diverse as they would like. We are already at a one size fits all model in terms of talent goals and output.

>>102322406
Why can't you stand behind your own statements? This pathetic backpedaling isn't going to work, cumfuck.

>>102322267
>Yes anon, I'm sure she's the one who filled seats at the game in America.
You realize you're owning yourself here because there were more people present during the second holonight?

>>102322321
Shoosh anon, you'll make intern-kun's deranged seething over Nimi "only" being a 5view or whatever look exactly as stupid as it is

>>102322357
Because it’s not really a big deal to them. Like, nobody talks about how Hololive was at the Tokyo Dome with the Yomiuri Giants because it doesn't matter more than cooperate collab. The real question is why it matters so much to a single fanbase.

>>102322324
Cope's getting pretty desperate there xister

>>102322477
Gura is such a failure her "success" can apparently not be recorded anywhere.

>>102321947
>memes
meme*
the "ok boomer" was the closest ever Sen/Gura/Saba ever was to mainstream relevance and that moment long passed, to the point of even the boomer meme and term falling out of use
Suisei is in the meantime transforming the entire Japanese media environment, making virtual performers more relevant and present every day
trying to compare the two really shows an immense lack of maturity, like comparing the Hawk Tuah girl with her two viral idiocy moments to artists who actually pushed their art or niche into limelight

>>102322368
>physical, tangible merch that you can hold in your hand is just a number
Anon... what... the fuck...?

>>102322418
That's a valid point, but from business model that's kind of irrelevant. Who gives a shit that a burned out, unwilling to work girl will give up when Suisei, AzKI and others still print gazillion dolans.
Obviously there's risk involved in it because Cover needs fresh blood and as situation with Aqua showed - the big names can quit, too.

>>102322514
Merch sales are numbers, cuckbud.

>>102322449
Still grasping at straws, eh Sanjeet?

>>102322495
... and other fairy tales that make sense to streetshitters

>>102322538
Why are you trying so hard to backpedal from your blatant anti-holo statements?

>>102322455
You do realize I'm not because that's a complete non-sequitur?

>>102322556
You're the one saying there's no numbers on spreadsheets to prove that she's the best thing ever.

>>102322585
If Gura is somehow solely responsible for every ticket sale during the first hololive night then one can claim that Bijou is solely responsible for selling out the entire stadium during the second one.

>>102322638
Gura is slolely responsible for hololive's success since September 2020

You know most of Gura's legacy is based on spreadsheet numbers, right?

>>102322459
>a single fanbase
And, you know. The entire rest of the Anglophone internet.
The obvious answer, of course, is that this was in America, not Japan.

>>102322687
So American VTubers have never done anything, and that’s why something mundane looks exciting.

>>102322681
Gura's legacy is physical reality.

>>102322638
>if [shit that nobody said]
>then [shit that nobody said either]
If Gura and Biboo didn't sell seats in America, then you can be sure as fuck that Suisei didn't either. Which is precisely what I said.

>>102322765
Why pretend like you weren't saying Gura filled the seats? You do not actually believe this "nobody filled the seats" thing you're trying to pull right now.

>>102322510
>implying there was just one massively viral Senzawa moment
>implying Gura wasn't even more culturally impactful and relevant than Senzawa, and isn't still to this day as Saba
>implying Gura didn't "transform the media environment" by essentially introducing an entire genre of streaming, and helping to introduce Japanese-style idol culture, to the West
>all while working for a company whose language she didn't even speak
Anon. Every word in this preening, reductive cope-post illustrates that you don't know the first fucking thing about what you're talking about, nevermind all the buzzwords, overexaggerations and sycophantic glazing.
Gura doing what she did as an American in America is far more impressive than Suisei doing what she did as a Japanese in Japan. Period.
That's just the reality of the situation, and the emotionally-stunted arrogance and poorly-veiled envy, resentment and wilful delusion required to compare Gura to the Hawk Tuah girl and Suisei to an "actual artist", with not a hint of self-awareness and in complete contravention of the facts, is laughable.

These 2 have been going for hours, or maybe it's just 1 dude replying to himself, because the baits are just too dumb to be taken

>>102322537
>physical objects are just concepts
Have we reached the final form of schizotypal mudhutvillager derangement?

>>102322580
>STILL clinging and grasping at straws
Damn, you've really got nothing at all. Figures.

>>102323192
Your desperate mental gymnastics will never change the fact that you're still numberfagging whenever you post about muh merch sales.

>>102322601
>you're the one saying the opposite of what you're saying
This you, pagpag?

>>102323212
You literally made this post >>102319911

>>102322681

>>102322729
>American VTubers have never done anything
... until Gura blazed the trail. Which is genuinely exciting, unlike what you apparently admit are the mundane, unimpressive "accomplishments" of JP.

>>102322886
Have you made a SINGLE post yet that isn't just you substituting your made-up fanfictions in place of actual arguments that you know you can't refute?

>>102323403
Did Gura fill the seats or not?

>>102313865
>Load
Yeah, a gun, point it to my head, and pull the trigger. It's like 3 styles mashed into one and sounds like absolute trash.

>>102323358
Gura "blazed the trail" by doing shit that had been done in Japan many times over. She never did anything exciting and the things you hold up as the greatest achivements ever are common occurences in Japan.

>>102323145
damn retardgod, you're right, I wasn't getting Coco and Matsuri clips fed to me months before Myth debut was even announced
in fact they debuted to complete lack of hype and only the divine light of Nyanners 2.0 brought any eyes on them

>>102323275
>>102323428
>>102323256
You've been called out and exposed for your fanfictions, anon. Do you have ANY defense? Or will you concede you have none whatsoever by continuing to cling to strawmen?

>>102322533
Well the business model has changed entirely. They will no longer hire if you want 50% of your focus to be on streaming. Now a talent must conform to the business model that is more music and public branding oriented. Even if you take Gura out of the equation for people not liking this model, you have several holomem in the past 2 years who felt it was an unfair balance. I'd find it hard to believe that several others aren't struggling with the pros and cons at the moment. A few of my oshis barely get to fucking stream in the past few months, but I get mandated summer GFE shorts and bullshit. So while the fresh blood is the solution since you are filling the slots with people who know exactly what they're signing up for, you're also neglecting veteran talents.

>>102322357
That Cover should stop giving so ma y fucks about all this horseshit and get back to mostly streaming with a little bit of fun side stuff

>>102323547
>mass replying
And just like that you've admitted defeat. Thanks for confirming that those were all replies to you and that a deranged cumbud really did call Suisei a yellow whore that plays second fiddle to Gura.

>>102323502
>in Japan
>in Japan
You keep trying to sidestep the fact that it NOT being in Japan is what made it new and exciting.
Unlike JP apparently, who by your own admission only do mundane shit and never push the envelope at all anymore.

>>102322687
anon, no one one the "Anglophone internet" gave a shit after a week, your curated Twitter feed nonwithstanding

>>102323632
So that's a "no" to defending yourself. Concession accepted.

>>102323675
Doing mundane shit in America is not exciting.

Streams made them, losing focus on streaming will unmake them.

>>102313803 (OP)
>Cover starts their own in-house record label
>"whoa awesomesauce this so epic and heckin poggers dude this means the girlz don't need no record label company and will have freedom to make whatever they want XD"
>it's actually gonna mean they have no creative control over their music at all since Cover own all the rights to it, are the sole producers and will dictate all the terms of it creatively and in terms of pay - unlike in the case of Mori being able to leverage UMG against Cover since it's an outside company
>also all of the music will be absolute fucking slop probably written and produced by AI trying to pander to lowest common denominator normalfags like >>102313865 and that new Justice song
this is starting to make some things make more sense like
>>102316314
it's almost certainly actually BECAUSE of this shit that Gura left - the delaying of Full Color and her music projects in general being stalled on ice and fucked around with makes way more sense if it was actually where they wanted to keep delaying it until Hololive Records came through so that then the music would be sold through this label and they would legally have control over it fully. This also explains how and why Gura went behind their back to make Ash Again with Casey Edwards, dropped it with no premiere or build-up and immediately graduated right after; and why she's so fucking mad at Cover lyrically in the song and MV itself.
I wonder how much this factors into Moom graduating too.

This is probably why Saba literally immediately started getting involved with oshiSpark as a fuck you to Cover saying 'I can still do the idolshit without your controlling bullshit'

>>102323697
What am I being accused of, cuckfuck? I'm not going to repond to each individual insult coming from a mentally ill pedophilic mutt.

>>102323522
Now, use your critical thinking skills - if any - and notice how clips of Coco, Matsuri, Subaru, Miko, Fubuki etc. going viral doesn't contradict anything I said in any way, shape or form?
Especially considering that Myth and particularly Gura *outperformed* the hype and the company's/girl's own expectations of only getting a few tens of thousands of subscribers? And in Gura's case, the entire rest of the fucking company, despite only being 4th most subbed in Myth at the time of debut?
Now watch as anon projects once again by accusing me of the very same "numberfaggotry" he himself actually does, simply because I pointed out objective facts.

>>102323699
Good thing it wasn't mundane.
Because it was in America.

>>102323851
It was mundane especially because it was in America. It wasn't special at all and you just pretend it was because Gura was part of it.

>>102323709
Just like how "no Gura no Buy" was going to make the concert fail, right?
Oh wait they sold out in less than a second.

>>102323887
Selling out a concert is less impressive if Gura isn't part of it.

>>102323680
>after a week
The masses don't give a shit about ANYTHING after a week, anon. The fact that they were talking about it *at all* is what proves it was huge.

>>102323916
So you're saying Gura is a detriment to concert sales? If she's around it's more impressive to sell tickets than when she's not

Lamo gura cant sell shit buddy

>>102323832
she was the most subbed at time of the first debut and 4th... after 3 other debuts, so that's an absolutely pointless factoid to bring up, and is in fact the type of shit that'd spread light wildfire in numbershitter circles that didn't spend a minute thinking on what they're saying
and as for the first point, of course it contradicts it - what introduced vtubers to the West were Japanese girls, the Myth hype was entirely built around their likeability and virality and for the most part, the major accomplishment of Myth was being "good enough" to not kill that hype in the cradle (but even fucking NijiEN was capable of not fucking up their first batch)

>>102323741
The stench of brown emanates from this seethepost, holy shit

>>102323944
No. I'm saying if Gura does something it's amazing and if someone else does something it's just not impressive.

>>102323969
Sounds to me like you're saying she's a detriment to anything she does. Is she that bad at everything that she has to be celebrated for completing any old job?

>>102323968
>amerimutt calling anyone else brown
lamo

>>102323882
lol
Tell us you're yellow without saying you're yellow

>>102323832
You've been crying about numberfaggotry from the moment you entered this thread so this whining about getting called on it when you do it is really pathetic.

>>102323998
>>102323969
Are these both bots? Did I break it into replying to itself or something?

>>102324069
Tis thread is literally 200 replies of bots baiting each other

>>102324023
Who's "us", cuckbud? You're alone.

>>102323887
Wow, >>102315877 >>102319530
was right on the money, huh?

>>102324069
They've been doing this for the whole day, literally saying the same things over and over with little to no variation

Fuck this thread, recommend me some jrpgs.

>>102324069
It's called a joke.

The music of Hololive is successful despite the company's best efforts, not because of it. Just look at IRyS. I have no hopes for this.

>>102323958
>after 3 debuts
I don't think that's correct, but I can't be bothered to double check because SocialBlade doesn't go back that far and I don't know how to easily find this information. Because I'm not a numbernigger and don't know what they say, unlike you apparently.
>of course it does
It doesn't. Clipfaggotry of Miko saying "nigga" isn't an introduction to vtubing. Western vtubers were barely even a thing before Myth debuted. Myth was the introduction - they were what laid the ground for the EN scene, they were what drew more fresh eyes in the West than anything that came prior, and far from just "not fucking it up", they (and particularly) outperformed the hype massively - which can be easily verified by comparing to the NijiEN debuts that you yourself brought up. JP probably benefitted more from Gura than Gura benefitted from JP, considering how much of a memetic impact she made.

>>102313803 (OP)
i like how mori killed any other chances for other holo with UMG
with all her yabs and shit tier songs

>>102324003
>t.

>>102324620
You're brown.

>>102324049
>y-y-YOU'RE crying *sniff*
This is even more embarrassing than your numberfaggotry, jeet. Give it a rest.

>>102324595
two other Holos got signed to a joint Cover/UM label after Mori

>>102324653
You were literally crying about numbers so hard that you made a shitty "meme" image about it.

>>102324192
You ever heard of Bug Fables? It's sort of like a more fleshed out Paper Mario/Mario and Luigi with elements of other JRPGs sprinkled in. Indie game developed by a bunch of Panamanians if I recall correctly.

>>102324579
>Clipfaggotry of Miko saying "nigga" isn't an introduction to vtubing.
you acting like people watched one clip and stopped on that shows such deep ignorance of how Holo popularity propagated at that point that it basically turns rest of your argument meaningless, especially considering the active conversion of clip/meme niggers into paying customers and brand followers by people like Coco - THAT was the foothold and source of interest in the West

>>102324810
Literally nobody in the West went on to watch hololive streams from clips before Gura debuted. These are verifiable facts.

>>102324698
>STILL seething over a goofy post literally titled "Holodrone's Law"
I don't know if I've ever touched a nerve THIS hard with so little effort in GIMP before, Christ almighty.

>>102324866
You've been crying about numbers ever since you posted that AND you get angry over getting called a numberfag even before anyone has done so right after you numberfag yourself.
You clearly feel very hurt by numbers as proven by your reaction to this post >>102318616

>>102324865
this is the kind of bait that only attracts people trying to be retarded on purpose into debating

>>102324810
>Continually shifts the goalposts and ignores the fact that there were no large vtubers in the West before Myth blew up
>Doesn't explain why there were so many more subs to Gura and Myth who hadn't been subbed to any Holo beforehand, including Coco
>Pretends that most of the West totally speaks Japanese and could watch JP streams even if they wanted to, that's why Coco speaking English was such a buff right
For future reference, I strongly recommend stopping to do basic research, fact checking and logical consistency checks to make sure there aren't any gaping holes like these in your narrative before accusing anyone of being "ignorant".
>>102324865
>The tiny niche of JP speakers in America and Europe are representative of the West
My fucking sides

>>102324912
kek
you need help, Pajeet

>>102325194
How is it bait? It's the truth.

>>102325209
When did I say that, retard?

>>102325301
Take our own advice, browngoloid numberfag.

>>102325371
Did you perhaps mean to make this two separate posts

>>102325417
Are you literally brain damaged or something?

>>102325396
>our own advice
>our
So both bots are being run by the same people?

>>102325471
>browngoloid is unable to spot typos

>>102325447
Explain how
>trying to troll anon 1 into thinking you're glazing Gura unironically
and
>whining that anon 2 is a retard for pointing out that the group you highlighted through your sarcasm wasn't "the West" being introduced to vtubing
Belong in the same post? Obviously they undermine each other, you fucking brainlet.

>>102325209
yeah, yeah, all that interest HoloJP garnered was irrelevant, it was mid 3 digit streamer Sen with her 2 memes and Belle Delphine collab that singlehandedly jumpstarted the interest in the West

>>102325603
The West was introduced to vtubing through Gura and not through clips before her debut. I don't see how these two things are contradictory or trolling,

>>102325686
There was no real interest in holoJP then, or ever. They've never been relevant in the West and whatever little interest they garnered was through Gura.

Not a single person in this thread has bought even a single piece of merch from Saba or has at least watched a Saba stream that wasn't her debut

Using Gura (or Nimi or Dooby before) as a beating stick against Holo is hilarious and I really hope that more ex-Holos continue being friendly with Holo just so the 3view shitters and their simps that plague this board end up killing themselves.

Huge announcement: You will enjoy the music slop and buy the merch.

>>102325740
yeah anon, there was zero interest in HoloJP and zero interest in vtubers in the West, due to that we can postulate all the people hype for HoloEN debut were Nijisanji viewers

>>102325686
>shifting the goalposts again
>no explaining the various inconsistencies
Explain how Gura left Myth and even JP in the dust. You know, if literally every Gura sub and viewer ever was already watching Miko streams after learning Japanese from Coco, without subscribing.

>>102325953
Whatever little interest they had came from a tiny audience that does not represent the West in any way.

>>102326029
first explain how Gura was a 3 digit viewer streamer on her own streams but a 5 digit streamer in Hololive if Hololive JP did not generate any existing Western interest, because that's the biggest inconsistency if all

>>102325830
I agree about the actual holoan being falseflaggers, but I don't anti Holo - I anti the catalogshitters who minimize Gura's impact and accomplishments, fellate others just to use them for that purpose, pretend the exholos are "lazy whores", etc.

You can go to any random date in 2020 before Myth's debut and see multiple thousand-post threads a day.
https://warosu.org/jp/?task=search2&search_text=hololive&search_datefrom=2020-07-15&search_dateto=2020-07-17&search_op=op
Take today's date for example, July 16th.
https://warosu.org/jp/thread/24794972
There are over two thousand posts in that one thread, in four hours and fifteen minutes.

Gura grew the audience, but she didn't spawn it out of thin air.

>>102326249
>/jp/
Literally doesn't count

>>102326109
Except it's not an inconsistency. She was a 5-6view because she went viral due to the "a" Tweet, the "Gura is Senzawa" memes, and one of the if not THE best debut streams in history up to that point where people thought she was adorable and were impressed by her singing.
If it was just general hype from the Holo branding, the COVID lockdowns buff, and JP hype and nooooothing to do with Gura specifically, then why didn't that same level of success transfer to her genmates or even to JP? THAT is an example of an inconsistency.

>>102326249
To be clear, no one is saying Gura spawned the entire audience out of thin air except for that one faggot obviously being ironic. Just that she and Myth were the introduction of vtubing to the West. Vtubing was a niche then and not something the median westerner was aware of prior, let alone something many westerners *did*.

Literally everyone itt is brown

>>102326561
Gura and Myth absolutely did spawn the western audience for the most part.

>>102318616
Suisei is a fucking nobody compared to Gura. Botted MVs don't change reality, numbermonkey.

>>102326459
>>102326561
it was so "niche" the debut audience for Mori alone basically gave her a music career

>>102326937
The debut audience was only ever interested in Myth and never watched JPs

>>102326981
yeah, I already said it was Nijisanji viewers, we settled that

>>102326614
I was replying to >>102326249, who was talking about /jp/, not the western audience specifically. Myth spawned the western audience, not the global audience - which is what I've been saying from the start.

>>102327103
/jp/ is made up of westerners, anon. 10 people posting bout JPs on /jp/ never mattered.

>>102326937
>debut audience for Mori
>Myth was the reason vtubing stopped being niche in the West
Gee anon, it's almost like that's exactly what I fucking said and you just proved my point or something

>>102326937
>chuubas weren't "niche" before Myth!
>see, look at how mainstream Myth was!

saying gura is good at singing when that country roads cover is still on youtube should be grounds for castration to be honestengines

>>102327211
>>102327284
the logic of
>there was no western interest in HoloJP
>there was no interest in western vtubers
and assuming all the audience popped up AND stuck around for Mori being a cringe failure most of her debut is an even bigger leap in logic than the Gura shit

>>102326857
Yummy yummy delicious cope

>>102319916
You don't have to lie just because you're angry. That song sounds really cool. If you weren't a dishonest nigger but still wanted to have a leg to stand on you could've argued that it may not technically count as vtuber music since it's with her side gig.

>>102317418
Suisei, Towa, Okayu and AZKi release or have released great music. If you count vsingers then you have most of Kamitsuba and people like Hachi also releasing great stuff.

>>102327602
>He forgot the Mori cringe timeline
As expected of a jeet

>>102327915
>t. coping for like twelve hours

>>102328113
Your detective skills are shit, I just got here. However by your own admission you yourself have been here coping for 12 hours, which is pretty pathetic.

>>102321947
leaving aside that despacito literally, unironically was one of the most culturally impactful media released this millenium objectively...
>ermmm views don't matter!!
>but also she did the ok boomer song!! take that!!

>>102321945
>Since now you basically have 2 big leads who represent different ideas of how a vtuber corpo should be run. Gura is very much stream content creation oriented, and Suisei is musically oriented.
Miko and Pekora are literally the most popular female streamers in the world and they both stream like they'll die if they don't.

Sorry but Gura literally doesn't fit in either streamming nor music.

>>102328174
Aim better

>>102322456
shes a 4 view now tho

>>102328308
>leaving aside that despacito literally, unironically was one of the most culturally impactful media released this millenium objectively...
... aha... AHAHA... AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Despacito had NO impact on the culture. It was generic, fungible radio slop that normalfags heard as background noise while they did the same exact shit they always fucking do.
By contrast, the original "ok boomer" meme - as entrenched by Senzawa's song and also the Bernie broad who did that lip-synced dance and made millions of simps crash out when she announced she had a boyfriend - set the tone for a major theme in modern western political discourse, namely the generational conflict between boomers and millennials/zoomers. THAT is cultural influence, and "ok boomer" had it while despacito didn't.
This is objectively true, and is perfectly illustrative of why excel-brained "line go up mean world more gooder" numberfaggotry is a complete meme. Gura had cultural influence *and* numbers, and the former was not directly contingent upon the latter. Literally just open your eyes and look at the actual physical reality around you instead of the pale reflection you get from simplified hyper-abstracted metrics, and maybe you wouldn't say something so hilariously fucking stupid and proveably false.

>>102328840
>generational tension did not exist/wasn't explored before Sen dropped a dumbass jingle
nigger, you're so deep into actual delusion I'm developing unironic concern

>>102328416
>most popular
No, retard, they just have the highest average CCVs. That's a poor, unreliable metric for popularity at best for several reasons which I'm sure are too complicated for a numbermonkey like yourself to wrap your head around.
Not that it matters because that has literally nothing to do with the topic at hand. Anon wasn't talking about Pekora or Miko, he was talking about Gura. And the fact is, she literally does fit into the streaming idol archetype. Other streamers do not matter as to the truth value of that statement.

>>102328968
>once again, anon cannot fucking read
If I told you that people are concerned about international conflict, the economy and immigration, would you sperg out and say "but all those things existed before current year tho???" Pay attention, retard.

>Those 2 schizos are still going

>>102328840
>Despacito had NO impact on the culture.
Despacito single handedly put reggaeton in the spotlight globally and its effects are still felt to this day where pop musicians collab with latinos or make half english half spanish songs.

And also you're acting like Sen's song is what popularized "ok boomer" and not that it was literally just in response to it becoming a popular phrase that was already injected in political discourse. You cannot possibly be more dishonest or at the very least uninformed.

>>102329108
no, but saying fucking Kendrick "set the tone" on the discussion around Epstein's list would be a similarly retarded reach

>>102329044
>Anon wasn't talking about Pekora or Miko, he was talking about Gura
he was talking about the "leads" in each "field". and gura was the lead in nothing but sub count. wtf are you talking about retard? did i walk into some alternate universe or something? also the point wasn't the popularity per se, but rather how both peko and miko are the actual leads in streaming and they're having no issues holding that side of vtubing.

>>102313803 (OP)
>Hololive Records
>live
Astel... don't look...

>>102328840
>Despacito had NO impact on the culture
look man you can rightfully hate despacito all you want but to act like it didn't change anything is beyond fucking retarded even for this pajeet infested board.

>>102329181
>the generic, vulgarized, interchangeable tacoslop blasted at latrino dance parties now sounds slightly more like X flavor of inoffensive background noise rather than Y or Z
>not that it makes any fucking difference for the reasons already described to me
>also let me substitute what you clearly said for some made-up fanfiction so I can pretend you're uninformed and/or dishonest
rangeban LatAm

>>102328840
>the original "ok boomer" meme
>as entrenched by Senzawa's song
Are you fucking kidding me KEK
Sen's "ok boomer" song wasn't even the first one, and as you yourself admitted it didn't even catch on until neekolul lipsync'd it
Fucking politicians were using "ok boomer" a full month before Sen even dropped it
God this board is a fucking joke

>>102329189
Apparently not, considering:
>Kendrick
Literally fucking WHO?

>>102329387
Not only dishonest but retarded damn, is this a psyop to make chumbuds look like imbeciles?

>>102329405
it's a bad case of
>guy who only ever saw Boss Baby watching any other movie "this is giving me mad Boss Baby vibes"
just applied to general culture through the lens of only internet microcelebrity he watched

>>102329405
>wasn't even the first one
News to me. And everyone else. Because they were fucking irrelevant.
>as you admitted [words I just put in your mouth]
>a whore lip-synced it so it d-doesn't count
Moron
>politicians were using it
It ORIGINATED with a politician you stupid fucking ape. Specifically with some millennial retard in Australia's parliament. Holy shit, how could you not fucking know this? Were your parents fucking twins or something?

chumpedos acting like the ok boomer song was more relevant than despacito is a new kind of low.

>>102329443
>the half-sapient pajeet is now falseflagging as choccybud
I'll give you points for originality at least

>>102329549
>News to me
>It ORIGINATED with a politician you stupid fucking ape
You say this shit and then expect anyone to believe you know what you're talking about KEK
Chumjeet you're just embarrassing yourself

>>102329543
Just admit you're a culturally illiterate zoomie who literally doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

>>102329553
"Relevant" in the sense that it was used in a few dozen guitar hero meme tracks?

>>102329443
it has to be, nobody doubles down THIS hard on being a mouthbreather without doing it on purpose. >>102329608 >>102329549 >>102329648

my suggestion is to stop wasting your time with the subhuman.

>>102329602
>maybe if I bluff and pretend everyone else is as stupid and out of touch as I am, I can save face
lol

>>102329697
I accept your concession KEK

>>102324114
The dumb niggers can't help but cry like babies whenever someone says that Holo was built on streams, not concerts. It's what makes them stand out the most, but a large portion of the people who watch and consume vtuber content and product only watch the concerts because they're attached to the girl and her streams.

People could've saved themselves trouble arguing with the """"""""""chumbud"""""""""" just by linking xim this https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ok-boomer

>>102329602
>nobody knows this song
>that proves it's relevant
Wanna try that one again anon?

>>102329815
Who are you quoting?

>>102329549
>It ORIGINATED with a politician you stupid fucking ape.
retard

>>102329780
>It was New Zealand, not Australia
Cool, that was the one thing I was wrong about. What's your point? That's still where the actual meme originated, because prior to that viral moment it was just a phrase with no significant memetic traction. It's like saying the "chud" meme started with the movie C.H.U.D. and not terminally online leftoids.

>>102328840
>the original "ok boomer" meme - as entrenched by Senzawa's song

>>102329931
retard
>>102329967

>>102329967
>>102330004
>That's still where the actual meme originated
Wanna try that again? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTF9UHr7K1c

>>102329691
>>102329981

>>102329729

>>102330004
>It ORIGINATED with a politician you stupid fucking ape.
https://soundcloud.com/peterkuli/okboomer
https://nitter.net/steak_umm/status/1182688876235759616
>>102330023
retard

>>102330023
>35k views
>proving me right
KEK
Do you just have some bizarre masochistic fetish for being publicly wrong or something
>>102330082
See above

>>102330119
>The meme ORIGINATED with an australian politician!
>No it didn't, here's footage of people using it way back in february
>u-uhm WAY TO PROVE ME RIGHT

>here's an "ok boomer" song with more plays on fucking Soundcloud than Sen's oki doki boomer video
>ummm uhhh S-SEE ABOVE
KEK

>>102329967
>with no significant memetic traction
The doge meme with "ok boomer" was fucking everywhere throughout all of 2019 what the hell are you talking about, dumb fuck? Did you start using the internet in december 2019 or something?

>>102330119
>it getting popular by being popularized by someone else doesn't mean she didn't start it
>lol, this guy's version wasn't as popular, you can't say he started it

>>102329967
>That's still where the actual meme originated, because prior to that viral moment it was just a phrase with no significant memetic traction
It had so much traction media outlets were bitching about it and that was before that NZ politician used it lol

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/29/style/ok-boomer.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/better/lifestyle/ok-boomer-diving-generation-what-does-it-mean-ncna1077261
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50236702
https://theweek.com/104243/ok-boomer-what-the-internet-s-favourite-new-insult-means
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ok-boomer-the-kids-are-fighting-back/2019/11/05/32894688-0011-11ea-9518-1e76abc088b6_story.html

looks like the """"""""chumbud"""""""" ran out of funny images to retort with or his internet went down.

>>102330218
>"No it didn't!"
>*posts examples of people using it before it was a meme, with accordingly little traction*
I repeat - way to prove me right, lmao. Refer to the C.H.U.D. analogy.
>More plays automatically translates to more people
>On fucking soundcloud
I numberfaggots are first order thinker so let me make it nice and simple for you:
How many views did the dancing Bernout have, again? The one that used Sen's cover of the song? The one that spread to parts of the internet that the original didn't?
>>102330258
Did it come to you in a dream, retard?
>>102330372
The lip-syncer slut literally used Senzawa's song... oops! Wanna try again?
>>102330405
>he thinks glownigger media outlets are reflective of organic culture
ngmi
Now, are you done samefagging and blowing yourself out under the weight of your own cope?

>>102330635
wrong again, kek

>>102330664
>devoid of any real arguments after literally everything he said turned out to be wrong
>he resorts to headcanons
And that, my friends, is all.

>>102330722
>Having blown myself and proven myself wrong in like fifteen different ways
>I leave you with the last and ultimate projection
keeeeeeeeeeek
Concession accepted. Thanks for playing

generational ass raping of a shitposter who got utterly BTFO on every front.

>>102330664
>took 20 minutes to reply with fucking nothing
lol
>ermm n-no all these people using and reacting to a meme phrase throughout an entire year and these other viral uses don't count because... BECAUSE THEY DON'T OK?
>ermmm n-no this song's views don't count... but 35k plays on that video? h-heh! way to prove me right!!!

>>102330831
>out of straws to grasp, the jeet resorts to old reliable:
>inventing empty fanfictions and deliberately reading everything wrong
kek, this has gotten so sad that it's circled back around into being funny again. It's okay to admit you're out of arguments you know.

>>102330804
>>Having blown myself and proven myself wrong in like fifteen different ways
Accuse others of that which you are guilty, huh? And he talks about projecting LMFAO
>SHE ENTRENCHED IT
>o-ok she didn't, but THIS AUSTRALIAN POLITICIAN DID
>o-ok she's from NZ, but THAT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING
>o-ok she didn't actually popularize it, but ACTUALLY THESE DON'T COUNT SINCE THEY HAVE SO LITTLE TRACTION
>o-ok that song has a shitton of plays, B-BUT SOUNDCLOUD PLAYS DON'T COUNT
>o-ok the memes are so viral even actual boomers are bitching about it, bB-BUT LEGACY MEDIA DOESN'T COUNT EITHER
Thanks for playing KEK

>>102330827
>frantically reassuring himself that he was totally right
>in public
Anon please, I can only cringe so hard

>>102330831
what did i tell you? >>102329691
you're just wasting your time with someone who knew he was wrong like an hour ago.

>>102330707
seeing how it's going, it's probably best you had.

>>102328840
>>everything else
How fucking embarrassing

>>102330967
>STILL mindbroken
>STILL doubling down
>STILL conjuring strawmen in place of the arguments he lost to
>and STILL losing
AHAHAHAHAHA
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>102331013
>>102331017
>>102331068
I can feel your tachycardia and humiliation through the screen, holy shit

Are you retards finally done owning yourselves yet?

>>102331157
like i said, it's probably best you had. being btfo so thoroughly then acting like you're winning is hilarious but sad to watch. your seething on cooldown doesn't help.

It's finally over

>>102331077
>using my own words is strawmanning!
What