lowkey big holodrone L
https://x.com/k5r6n3/status/1945723811963543848

>>102346390 (OP)
>Secret
It's her widely-known, open, 2nd account

>>102346390 (OP)
So Hololive members can freely criticize the company without having to fear any consequence? Looks like a W to me
(She was talking about the Holo Summer Acrylic gacha if anyone was wondering)

>>102346390 (OP)
For context, the merch maker initially planned "If you buy this random acrylic stand, there is 1 out of 66 chance that you will get your oshi" and that flipped fans off, including Korone. So after the small "backlash", the merch company responded that they will plan to sell like this format instead so that the "randomness" does not feel "too random" and fans can get their oshi merch more easily buy buying that type of random group instead

As a result, the fans applaud this decision and they also comfort Korone that she did the right thing

>>102346390 (OP)
>>102346562
>holo freedom of speech
>niji undisclosed Astein Secret File
Lol

>>102346562
this is still very shit
at least put ens in one fucking group ffs

>>102346390 (OP)
Cover-chaaan!
Haaai!
Nani ga suki?
Chocominto yori mo O-KA-NE

>>102346390 (OP)
>big holodrone L
It would be an L if they became consoomer mode and be content with the brutal 1/66 acrylic gacha

But instead they used their brain for once and prevented themselves from buying bunch of 1.5k yen of stands with this low level of gacha rate and voiced their concern about this issue. And with Korone's help, that voice became much bigger to the point the merch company responded almost immediately and changed in favor of the fans

Cover could have made much more money if fans buy 66 stands instead of now 12-14 stands for their favorite oshi, but they are willing to hear the fans and change it, which was apparently a noble thing for a publicly listed company according to some normies

>>102346474
it's just a machine translation of 裏垢

>>102346562
Gacha is shit

>>102346747
It's a L because Korone hates it but tolerates it. There's no integrity in tolerating gambling. So much for one of the pillars of hololive.

>>102346747
>Cover could have made much more money if fans buy 66 stands instead of now 12-14 stands for their favorite oshi,
Or they could have simply refused to buy it. I don't understand why anyone needs acrylic slop.

>>102346862
You are beyond retarded, motherless piece of shit anti.

>>102346891
>I don't understand why anyone needs acrylic slop
And yet Anycolor made almost 10 billion yen in ONE quarter thanks to that. Do not under-estimate the acrylic addicts

>>102346891
The FOMO is real in Japan. Give a fan his kami-oshi and he will spend his life-savings for it no matter what. Just like how Nintendo fanboys brought the Switch 2 sales up to top selling console even though their pricing was cut throat and criticized a ton

>>102346562
That's still very shitty, if you want a Roboco acrylic I'd be pissed if I only got everyone else but Roboco and so on.
Fuck I'd be worried they'd fuck this up like they did in the past when attempting to do this shit with rubber keychains only to give people the same keychain.
I remember some guys got 20 keychains and all of them were the same so they weren't even trying to randomize it.

>>102346909
holodrone seethe

>>102346954
And yet, when the merch sale becomes "If you buy Kiara stand, you will own Kiara stand", this will create awkwardness as popular members will sell out while the less popular ones continue to be on stock, basically creating /#/ but with merch sales

So instead Japan used their well-known tactic of gacha, and now "If you buy this stand, there is about 9% chance that you own a Kiara stand" and everyone will play on the same field

toy merchants have been abusing this forever. like little capsule toys where you spend 10x what you would have wanted trying to get a specific one and end up with a bunch of dupes you couldn't possibly want. the fact they were litrally going to try and do "just any member at all" is insane tho lmao.

I guess random D or E so you don't risk getting stuck with ID (really just a joke to make fun of ID couldn't imagine wasting money on this complete shit)

>>102347017
>And yet, when the merch sale becomes "If you buy Kiara stand, you will own Kiara stand", this will create awkwardness as popular members will sell out while the less popular ones continue to be on stock, basically creating /#/ but with merch sales

this is definitely NOT why the company forces you to buy 13x the product you want to try to get the one or two products you actually want lmao

>>102346562
I hate Japan's obsession with turning everything into a gacha.

>>102346954
I'm pretty sure if you're not an autistic weirdo, you're meant to interact with other fans and trade for the ones you want. Especially since there will be collectors who want everything.

>>102347047
Nigga can you fucking read?

I'm explaining WHY gacha is the only logical solution to selling small merch like acrylic stands. It's so that they don't accidentally create number fights between talents and create an unstable and unpredictable supply and demand of these merch

The only problem is at what level is gacha "acceptable", and the community agreed that they like 9% chance more than the previous 1.5%

>>102346390 (OP)
Don't get it twisted, this is not about consumer concern but more about big holomems getting mad cover using their fanbase to boost other non popular holomem merchandise. They could care less if you go bankrupt buying THEIR merch.

>>102346504
>So Hololive members can freely criticize the company without having to fear any consequence?
No, talents definitely get in trouble if their criticism is overly direct. Ina got a 3 month "health" break in late 2022 when she complained about revealing outfits while Altare couldn't stream on his channel for 3 months in late 2024 when he complained about management not attempting to fix his 3D suit. Korone is well liked by management and it was subtle criticism but doing anything related to merch is a little risky.

>>102346562
A random gacha for merch when there are 66 talents in Hololive is absolutely horrible odds. Cover has done this before with smaller groupings and fans complained about that even when they were doing it within the same EN gen. Having gacha for acrylic stands though is a new low since the merch itself is extremely cheap to make while the profit margin is huge.

>>102346738
The idol stuff is parasocial and fans spending over a thousand dollars to get swimsuit merch of their oshi is messed up. Holonatsu Paradise certainly is showing us the new direction of Hololive and the merch stuff is getting more absurd.

I LOVE MERCH
EVERYTHING IS ABOUT OWNING CHEAP PLASTIC SHIT

kek imagine you wanting miko/suisei and you get homocollaber like risu or iofi instead

>>102346562
> can't even buy a 5 cent piece of plastic with1000% profit margin without playing gacha
you have to be next lvl stupid with 0 self-respect to buy this

>>102347002
>korone W, fans W
>nijiEpstein seething
Roru

>>102347080
that's how toy companies earn money nowadays. there had been an influx of blind toys ever since the labubu craze.

Hey, have you sold enough merch? Maybe you should make a tweet or 30 about it.

>>102346390 (OP)
>>102346562
>Gacha merch
Based Korone. She really cares about her fans.

Has JP always been as aggrssive with merch as the entire company has seemed to gotten in the last year and some change?

>>102347097
That only works in Japan, on people that go to conventions and scalpers who resell.
I live in Florida, why would I try interacting with others here?

>>102347098
That only works for people who have low numbers of followers, if for some reason the manufacturer made one too many and they are trying to clear inventory or if they are hoping to pull more cash out of you because they expect you to bend over and take it and still thank them for it.

>>102346775
>>102347157
>>102347121
Gacha has been a core thing in Japan and East Asia. They may beg the companies to raise the rate up but never abandon the practice because they genuinely like it as long as the rate is not too horrible

Hell the japs will never speak ill about this Holo merch gacha because they are also the ones who gave Anycolor 30 billion yen of revenue using this practice as well, but they CAN criticize Cover for making the rates too low in the first place

>>102347159
I've started to see some EN indies do it too.
https://uwumarket.us/products/camimi-carnival-series-figures

>>102347231
At least in that case it's a singular talent and you're getting something you kind of want, even if you might be hoping for the milk tea one the most or whatever.

>>102347121
Shut the fuck up Outfit Schizo.

>>102347098
> and create an unstable and unpredictable supply and demand of these merch
it takes minutes to change the mold and printing setup, it's not a valid reason and overstocking worthless pieces of plastic is not scary, because it's worthless. It's not a goddamn car.

>>102347267
You can hate his first paragraph, but it doesn't make the rest of the post invalid. The company that makes these (and Cover) still make a HUGE markup on these items, so this is just more attempts at milking fans out of their money.

>>102346390 (OP)
> Muh company

Mother's basement.

>>102347098
Are you a child? Have you never seen the 'walk it back' strategy? Propose something insane, then make it a bit better but still terrible to make the people buying it feel like they won.

Gacha is based tho
dont like it? fuck off Hololive is not for you

>>102347350
We're way ahead of you on that one

Boy I sure do love events in Hololive no-a-days!

>>102347307
What do they cost? I'm scary to find out.

>>102347440
scared fuck

>>102347440
apparently they cost 1500 yen and you originally only have a 1/66 chance of getting what you want! labubu for reference only has a 1/6 pull rate for the same price!

>>102346562
This is just the same shit what the hell

>>102347472
yea, i read first posts. 10.4 dollars for 0.1 usd dollars of material with gatcha slapped on top. This is wild.

>>102347472
And now it's 1 in 13 on average, meaning it'll cost you $131 to get a specific member from a group if you get even distribution. Not to mention that you have to then include the cost of shipping and tarriffs anywhere outside Japan, which are varrying levels of expensive.

>>102347475
the change is that the holos are divided into "banners" now to improve the pullrates (apparently it's 1/12 now). you're still fucked though if the holos you like belong to different banners.

Consume holodrone

>>102347597
Way to miss the mark, idiot.

>>102347597
Are those disposable vapes? Now that's some cringe.

>>102347597
add this

>>102346562
These groupings are so shit that it's only marginally better than the complete free for all it was before.

>>102347017
>this will create awkwardness as popular members will sell out while the less popular ones continue to be on stock, basically creating /#/ but with merch sales
This is, in essence, capitalism dressed in the pseudo-altruistic skin of communism. What is being advocated for here is using popular talents and the fans of those popular talents to subsidize the merch sales of less popular talents under the guise of avoiding "awkwardness" (read: the hurt feelings that come from winners winning and losers losing).
In reality, your emotions are being manipulated into accepting a state of play that is unfair and exploitative for fans generally. The easiest way to determine the cause of something is to look at the motivation structure for the various players.
>Cover
Zero cons apart from further reputational damage which they seem fine with and pissing off the talents which they similarly seem fine with. This system will necessarily lead to higher merch sales across the board and the best part is that they don't have to figure out how to spin this blatant exploitation as something positive for the fans, that's the talent's job.
>Unpopular Talents
Zero cons. Their merch sales increase while basically doing nothing. Their sales are low for a reason so they are unlikely to be inconvenienced by the more difficult sales pitch because they were already failing with the easier pitch.
>Popular Talents
Almost all cons, pros negligible. There is a slight chance that if the entire pie gets big enough as a result of this strategy that it will result in them getting a bigger piece, but they are the party with the most at risk if the fans balk and the least to gain if the strategy works. They are also the salespeople in the company that are actually effective so making the pitch more difficult harms them disproportionately. They're the ones who have to figure out how to spin dogshit into gold. The pitch that has always worked with merch is that you're supporting your oshi and getting a token of their appreciation for that. What is the pitch now? "Roll the gacha to find out if you supported your oshi or wasted your money"? Not compelling.
>Fans
We're the ones really getting fucked here. Acrylic stand shit is basically just a donation. Nobody needs that garbage and if you really want it you don't need to pay Cover's exorbitant prices. You buy that trash specifically to support your oshi. Suppose YouTube implemented a system where, when you send a Superchat, there's a 98.5% chance that the money goes to someone other than the chuuba you're watching. This is basically that. I can't wait to have a bunch of acrylic stands on my shelf reminding me of how much money Cover stole from my oshi (and me) and gave it to someone who didn't earn it and doesn't deserve it.

>>102347818
Buddy, this is Hololive. We LIVE for more plastic trash

>>102347158
Go pay the duties on your cheap plastic crap holodrone.

>>102347597
Is this the reason indie seething or just poorfag ligger jealousy? Because indies love getting sponsored whenever they shill their sponsorship.

Nijiniggers are desperate for a counter yab, it seems.

>>102347597
>nijisister seething whenever brands reach out to holo.
Sis...get a job instead of farming giftcard.

>>102347861
Roru nijeet seething

So, how do we know the number of stands made will be an equal amount for each talent? Whats stopping them from making Suisei or Iofi have a smaller batch than say Pekora or Shiori? Seems like there could still be scammy practices with this new plan and Korone has some major beef with it.

>>102347983
What's the point exactly

>>102347158
You know I have to admit, posts like these made me mad, then I realized that you retads cannot speak in anything but current events or memes.
See when the Aster stuff initially happened it was Diddysanji, now its Epstein.
So you people really are just 12 year old brown zoomers phone posting, you have no language of your own, its just current events or mems, nothing more.
So I thank you for breaking me free from this and realizing who I am truly dealing with.

>>102348029
if anything being scammy would mean pekora would have a smaller ratio, so people would have to buy more to get her

>>102347597
Eh, i rather have a 1st world problem than dying to a drink and got the ministry of japan involved.

>>102346562
i hate these acrylic stands either way.

>>102348041
>waaah waaah stop cracking jokes about current events
release the aster files and stop whining already. If you want them to stop being compared to current events, then maybe they should stop doing comparable things to current events.

>>102347597
...this actually means cover makes money?

>>102347701
>>102347701
Add this too

>>102347701
What's wrong with this one? Isn't this about the concert?

>>102347597
>Pollution
>Plastic waste
>Liver failure
>Diabetes
>Obesity
>Cancer
>Alcoholism
>Chinese Spyware
Beside the Honda endorsement the and the pubic shaver, the rest is just advertisement to reduce the health and safety of their holo's own fans. Truly a soulless era for cover after going public.

>>102348160
I think they got constantly mindbreak that brands would sponsor and partner with them.

>>102348292
If your first thought of any alcohol is "liver failure" you might as well be the biggest fag on this board of fags

>>102348292
>ironic post about consume while he's also consume using his phone and pc
Oof L there anon.

>>102348298
As someone who's only been watching since the early days of Myth and someone who watches primarily EN, did the JP side always have this much merch spam? Like a new thing to try and shill to your fans every other week almost? Because I think that's where you see a lot of bitching, that in general there are way more sponsored streams, way more merch pushing streams, and generally a lot more of the talents going 'Buy this thing!' on the EN side than there used to be.

>>102347267
Anon a JP talent almost never says anything negative about gacha especially in terms of Hololive merch. There is a growing numbers of signs that not all the remaining talents are on board with the new direction of the company. The HoloEarth limited edition goods and the Hololive summer gacha with 66 talents is really leaning into that corporate greed.

>>102348205
Cover does shill alcohol, gacha, and horse racing. They even tested out a casino in HoloEarth so they would be shilling cigarettes if that wasn't illegal.

>>102348408
>horse racing
Post it outfitschizo and it better be from cover not the talents.

Even the gachapon machines only have like 8-11 variations at most, and usually only 4-6 variations
What the fuck
Not hololive, but there was this JP indie I watch who participated in a niconico event and they also had this silly acrylic keychain gacha shit where I never got my oshi's keychain and all I pulled were from vtubers I don't give a shit about
I'd rather stick to apparel and plushies for hololive merch, fuck acrylic stands

>>102346562
>we're introducing a blind box series
>BOOOOO
>OK, it will be slightly less blind
>YAAAAAAAY
Do Holofags really

Wait a year and ALL THE MERCH will be randomized. It's gonna make so much money they're gonna have to keep going to keep shareholders happy.

>>102347597
>vapes
I only smoke meth.

>>102347899
Holos are being progressively used to shill more and more brands and products. Hololive merch comes out at blistering speeds.
At some point it stops being "please support us" and becomes "please consume"

Indies have the benefit of choosing how much and in what way they work with companies.
For Hololive, it's Cover that arranges these things and, as evidenced by Korone's reaction in the OP, the talents don't always feel good about it. It feels particularly bad because we know that Cover rakes in cash, so the more they push shit like this the greedier it feels. (Welcome to public companies, I guess.)
Not that it matters, but if it were me, I'd feel pretty dirty having my face plastered on so many advertisements that have nothing to do with me.

>its another indie shill thread
alright bye this place is beyond faggy

It's hilarious how cumbuds are pretending to be mad about this after calling anyone who shit on that one ugly Gura watch poor.

>>102348500
>I'd rather stick to apparel and plushies for hololive merch, fuck acrylic stands
This ones a JP fan issue. Acrylic stands in general are always the worst piece of merch, especially with the space they take up and how most are just one design. I do own a few but when these stands are just the L2D's im shocked at how people buy them

>>102347025
>>102347159
We live in a world where skibidi toilet gacha toys exist

>>102348720
>these stands are just the L2D's
Are you talking about the ones you bought or what? The ones this thread is about are not L2D.

>>102348720
>This ones a JP fan issue
Yeah, it's crazy
My most expensive vtuber merch are from hololive and I own 0 acrylic merch
For some of the indies I watch I think I can justify owning acrylic stands, they don't really have fancier stuff available for sale, plus they're not default mori.png live 2d art
I just don't understand why the Japanese love buying acrylic shit from big franchises
It's not even exclusive to vtubers, see im@s and love live

>>102348775
>you can't talk about a topic from a general perspective
Are you retarded?

>>102348399
afaik the only sponsored shit they did back then were E-ma e-ma, Cup Noodles (Negi-U and Aqua), and Red Bull sponsoring Botan and Aqua. it was around 2023 where they dialed it up to 11.

>>102348720
They are usually the cheapest to buy and easiest to display after those tin badges, so they're perfect for your oshi cabinets. You could fill a shelf with maybe 30-40 acrylic stands compared to like maybe 6-8 1/6 scale figures

>>102348823
I asked a question, retard. What the fuck are you so mad about? That I asked if you were so fucking stupid that you bought a L2D acrylic stand?

>>102348458
Hololive merch deals and sponsorships all go through Cover so don't use the talents as human shields. Cover agreed to another sponsorship with the Japan Racing Association less than a year ago.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1gyil7r/2024_jra_g1_race_japan_cup_watchalong_featuring/

Hololive is a black company. Nobody with any actual morals watches hololive in 2025.

>>102348826
That's kinda my point. They've been focusing so hard on merch lately, and the western audience is a lot less receptive to forward and direct shilling. Well, at least most of the types of people who'd like Holo to begin with

>>102348775
for one minute, look at the merch made for flowglow and regloss and say "why the fuck do they sell their L2D's for 20 dollars"

im dead serious.
>>102348838
I still prefer figures, but thats me. My Noel 1/7th scale is honestly one of the nicest i've gotten and its easily a good figure too.

>>102348399
>did the JP side always have this much merch spam?
Yes. JPs are soulless corpodrones who are totally fine with spamming their fans with merch because they only want money.

>>102348399
I've avoided Hololive during their early days because of the excessive Azur Lane shilling, being a Kancolle player

>>102346562
>Be me
>Never buy gacha merch
>Wait a few weeks
>Get my the merch with my oshi on it for dirt cheap 2nd hand because someone else who bought it initially got her and didn't want her
It's simply that easy. I don't know why people complain about gacha merch when resellers will practically give you the gacha result they didn't want for free.

>>102348893
Ok? You're still talking as if the acrylics this thread is about are L2D when they're not.

>>102348922
>being a kancolle player
this is somehow the most bullshit statement said here

Why are you all seething over random merch now when you were all defending it 2 years ago?

>>102347472
>they cost 1500 yen
wtf that's daylight robbery. It's 300 jpy at most. What the fuck are they smoking.

>>102348806
acrylic stands somewhat became the replacement for the anime figures that were so common back then. at some point companies had a brilliant idea of selling "physical PNGs" and that's how the acrylic stands came to be

>>102348943
it fell off at the time, but I've managed to continue playing out of spite because I didn't like chinkcolle and how a lot of the popular gacha these days rely too much on oversexualized designs without compelling gameplay
I just ignored Aqua and Fubuki outside of clips, nothing against them I just really don't like azur lane

>>102348994
>nothing against them I just really don't like azur lane
You should have everything against them for shilling chink trash

>>102348975
can you point to my past posts defending acrylic stands?

>>102349013
Any post in threads about Connect the World merch.

>>102348975
Nobody really defends acrylic stands. and most of the stuff now that they've mass produced sucks. i'm a sucker for a decent shirt or two but they do not have good stuff anymore.

>>102348893
Understandable, I can see the appeal of acrylic stuff personally due to being a poorfag (though even I wouldn't buy those blank faced L2D stands they sometimes put out), but stuff like the relax time figures look pretty nice

>>102349031
>most of the stuff now that they've mass produced sucks
All of it has always sucked. You're just pretending it was better until now because you defended it in the past.

>>102349046
Relax figures are nice at the very least. Decent cheap option. Nendroids are honestly the worst now. I always felt like they're a decent chibi version of a figure but when you get scale figures you feel empty with nendos

>>102349071
Relax figures fucking suck. They're almost worse than acrylic stands.

>>102348994
Based and teitoku pilled. I haven't played since they got rid of the cookie exploit to bypass the region locking but it saddens me how much more popular soulless trash like azur lane ended up being just because of coomerbait and it being backed by chinese money. I tried AL once but I just couldn't get past how much blatantly worse all of the designs were compared to their kancolle counterparts across the board.

>>102349071
A nendo and a scale figure serve different purposes. The nendo comes with replaceable parts and has articulation in its joints so that you can pose the nendo in a way that you like. A scale figure is static.

>>102348041
peak reddit post

>>102349070
To add to what this anon said, their shirts are actually of higher quality now than they were in 2021 so I've no idea what >>102349031
was talking about.
Like, those merch has always been mass produced to begin with.

>>102349070
>Single, directly purchasable standee that comes out a few times a year max that has a direct payline to the talent I like
vs
>Random standee that might be the talent I like that gets released once every 3-4 weeks and goes into a pool fund and the onr I like gets who knows how much money from the pool
I wonder why someone might have been ok with them before.

>>102346747
do you realize that you just fell for the cheapest marketing trick there is, right

>>102347597
B... But Nimi released merch on her debut! Checkmate.

a lot of foreigners here think "what's the big deal it's just acrylic stands they're lame" but there are a fuckload of people who collect every single acrylic of their oshi and have them all displayed in a little shrine. acrylic stands are really cheap to produce (like 25 cents each or so) and sell for a low price so this is feasible to do even if you're a poor japanese man in a shoebox sized apartment who survives off of cup ramen. cover is exploiting FOMO to get those people to buy a ton of shit they don't need rather than simply buy the one acrylic stand of their oshi like they want to.

>>102346390 (OP)
>Trash talk company merch
>No consequence
>Gets to sekuhara kouhais
Based doggo

>>102349241
You might as well attack every gacha companies or idol groups that include special random stuffs in their singles (i.e: photos), then
(Which, to be fair, judging by this thread, I supposed many anons do. Not me, though)

>>102349294
>if you complain about this then you should complain about these other things that you already are complaining about on other parts of the internet
don't worry bro i got you

>>102346390 (OP)
THEY KNEELED TO MR GORO
https://x.com/shibuya_t_comic/status/1945755356170199364

>>102349191
But that has nothing to do with them being mass produced or supposedly having lower quality. Just complain about the right thing - their random, FOMO abusive nature - instead.

>>102349191
>Single, directly purchasable standee that comes out a few times a year
You're delusional if you believe that something being "Single, directly purchasable" somehow makes it higher quality.
>has a direct payline to the talent I like
There's no proof any of them ever got anything from any of the mass produced trash merch.
>I wonder why someone might have been ok with them before.
I was specifically talking about the random merch all of this
>Random standee that might be the talent I like that gets released once every 3-4 weeks and goes into a pool fund and the onr I like gets who knows how much money from the pool
should have always been a concern but somehow you're only posting about this now. I'm even more cynical about this random trash and have always said that none of them see any sort of cuts from them.

>>102349333
There goes any future sponsorship or collab for hololive

>>102349368
...that isn't how it works

>>102346562
I thoughts japs loved gacha

>>102349434
>no not like that!!

>>102349434
Some do. Some don't. Thing is, gacha players know about gacha nature of the games their play from the start and go in willingly. Those who don't like gacha, don't like suddenly having to play gacha to complete their collections

>>102349434
>>102349637
you can only get away with that with TCG, but on physical products like toys, having more than 20 variants to collect on blind toys is crossing the line.

>>102348850
okay that's pretty nasty, gotta admit.

>>102349333
>12-15 types
this isn't much better

>>102350632
it is literally over 6 times better you retard

>>102350674
yes, but you still are paying 1500 yen for a fraction of a chance to actually get the people you care about.
Seriously, who are you supporting with this? I spend money to support my oshi, not 11-14 other girls I don't watch.

>>102350674
That's still fucking aggressively bad odds for a merch pull. The gen spread is also super retarded. If you want someone from justice you got a fucking 5/7 chance to get some devIS broad instead. Just let people buy the holomem they want and dont put the shit behind a gacha. If it was a capsule machine on the street that'd be a different story, but they also aren't stupid enough to put over 7 variants in a single machine.

>>102350756
what a dumb fucking take. how do you expect shareholders to see [eventual] dividends if you don't force unnecessary gatcha??

>>102346504
if that were the case she would have done that tweet on main and tagged them

I bet nobody would have a problem with either approach if the IDs weren't part of it

>>102346635
it's just another sister misdirection thread
*sighs*

>>102347597
This honestly escalated so quickly in 2025 for EN, I'm starting to believe the graduated girls just didn't wanna become massive shills for their fanbases.

>>102346562
Why is everyone so gullible
>Make a horrebdus gacha thing
>Backlash, even vtubers are against it
>Make it a not so horrendus gacha thing
>Everyone is happy

>>102347597
>biggest corpo getting good brand deals
oh the horror

>>102349241
Cover is being slimy even for a Japanese company when even the JP fans were upset with their 66 talent gacha which had almost $2000 worth of merch. Hololive can barely get EN fans to buy a gen specific gacha and this new level of greed is going to fail horribly in the western market. When 98% of the money spent on generic merch goes to Cover it's actually baffling that fans even bother with it.

The funny thing some people in this thread don't get is that the gacha system exists to prop up underperforming branches like EN and ID. JP talents and fans shouldn't have to carry them. If they can't sell, they should get less merch and make less money. That's their problem to deal with.

>>102355247
Dinogura plush sold more than all other hololive merch ever made combined

>>102355692
Whatever make you sleep well

>>102355721
Well that's mostly due to being a rich white man with perfect English.

>>102355802
That only explains how you got tricked by a pedobatier.

>>102349333
Why can't other company do it, it's always hololive talent that can criticise other and made changes without consequence.

>>102355692
It's also cuter than all of the other merch combined. That may have contributed.

>>102355692
Anon, you know they're a public company and the tcg sales are public information?
Fucking idiot.

>>102350674
If you think those odds are so good, line up 11 turds with 1 unwrapped chocolate bar and grab and eat one blindfolded.

>>102346562
based

bump

>>102350674
if the holos you like to collect are at different banners, your odds are still as low as if they weren't divided.

>>102346504
>She was talking about the Holo Summer Acrylic gacha
Thanks! Saves me having to open Twitter

>>102348721
Operation: Turn every single internet trend into marketable plastic!

>>102352017
Time to make a test

hate the Jap QRTs defending the original scheme, bringing out other examples of 60+ gachas from other franchises while conveniently leaving out the prices compared to how much these holo acrylic stands cost
wouldn't be surprised if they were vtuber or holo antis falseflagging

>>102362351
Cover bootlickers explain some of the anons running damage control but the attempt to shift blame onto the company that operates the Hololive summer pop up shop seems a little too organized in defending the brand name. Cover fully agreed with the decision to have a 66 talent gacha for their holonatsu Paradise merch. There were 3 different JP talents who were shocked at this level of greed.

This is basically goldmine for scalper. I'd rather pay twice or triple price at scalper and definitely get my oshi rather rather than 'gacha' with highest rate of 8,33% hoping to get my oshi. With my luck, I might need at least 20 pulls

>>102347121
>muh parasocial seethe out of nowhere
Every business and media in the world is parasocial, retard-kun. Not only your boogeyman japanese idol culture.

>>102362351
Show me one person who actually defends shit. Removing the sidebranches from the pool will be the best decision. They caused too many problems. Those girls acted like they were hot shit and made demands despite contributing only a fraction of the income.

>>102354549
you have to enter a lottery system for a chance at tickets for things like concerts or fucking boxs for events. japs are just built gamble but don't realize it.

>>102364309
Or just don't make it gacha, retard.

>>102346562
While its a shit strategy, its probably their own way of helping the less popular Talents get some sales as well.

>>102365202
I don't buy this excuse when they can just put these up for pre-orders instead of having a pop-up shop

>>102365140
they get less sales when people gets to choose because the less desirable products would be left unsold. making it gacha makes it sell tenfold; it encourages scalping/hoarding, whales would buy multiple just to get what they want, and it forces shitters to get sold. no wonder why everyone's doing it now.

>>102365659
on the flipside, if you try mixing disgusting products together with very desirable ones inside a gacha, no one would even consider buying it, just like what happened to Holofes products when they mixed dabois together with the girls on randomized merch sales.

I swear gachas are literally less profitable than selling directly unless the more desirable items are rarer than the less desirable items? Am I wrong?

>>102366074
it encourages scalping, then the scalpers would resell the desirable products for 5-10x their normal price.

>>102353602
Yeah Nimi and Saba hate shilling merch oh wait

>>102347899
Both

>>102347121
Black company behavior

>>102361989
Gotta earn that dough. Everything is getting too expensive nowadays.

>>102347644
Yeah, snuff tobacco at least won't bother people around you.

a mediocre cnc cutter costs less then you will have to spend to get your girl, lmao. Might as well diy.

>>102347830
>capitalism dressed in the pseudo-altruistic skin of communism
Off topic, but I always wonder what system the capitalism haters would come up with because sure as fuck they won't be able to make all people be altruistic.

>>102369548
They're the types that think lying and scheming against honest hard working people is some power move so whatever system they come up with will always be some form of hell that inevitably somehow devolves into a worse hell.

>>102370157
> the types that think lying and scheming against honest hard working people is some power move
you know that's you just described every company management ever, right? I assume don't since /pol/tard are usually not very employable.

>>102370225
>2025 still believing corpos and communists are antithetical
ngmi. This isn't your fight, just relax and enjoy your react slop vtubers.

>>102347098
>It's so that they don't accidentally create number fights between talents
None of them get any cuts from any of this shit so it literally doesn't matter who sells out and who doesn't.

>>102346390 (OP)
>BUY DAT MERCH
BUY DAT MERCH
>BUY DAT MERCH
BUY DAT MERCH
>BUY DAT MERCH
BUY DAT MERCH

>>102369537
Nothing wrong with that. Most people just don't want to learn a new skill.

>>102365804
Is that what happened this year? Is that really why I can't find the random colored paper message of my oshis?

Hololive racking up so many Ls they're gonna set a new Tetris world record.

>>102376595
everything vtuber related this past year has been shit

>>102347159
>there had been an influx of blind toys ever since the labubu craze.
Way before that, for instance Lego's been doing special blind-packaged minifigs for like a decade now. And remember that "gacha" comes from onomatopoeia for the sound of a capsule toy dispenser, which have been around longer than any of us have been alive t. old man

>>102369537
Is anyone that excited about acrylic standees or whatever that is? All my friends are turbo nerds with figures and figmas and revoltechs and crane game prizes and wall scrolls and fumos and every possible type of shit but I don't think a single one of them is wasting shelf space on an acrylic standee.

>>102376631
mean while indiechads stay winning

>>102346474
yeah

>>102346562
>1 out of 66 chance
1.5% chance?
It is not that bad, on par with most gacha stuff. Why were people complaining?

How bout stop buying plastic garbage? Especially gacha plastic garbage.

>>102346562
i LOVE gacha!!!!!

>>102349434
Everyone loves gacha. Thats why Vegas exist in US. Thats why MMO/Path of Exile/Diablo loot rolling games are popular

>>102376631
Not everything.

>>102385463
... w-wait a minute.

>>102376510
i believe it was last year

>>102380730
I'll buy a standee from a con in artist alley because it's a cheap product that someone can make of art of a character they like that they can sell pretty reliably. I have a few Holo (S&W), a few random Holos and a couple other random characters I like. I would never buy something corporate made like these items unless they come in a bundle with other things I want.

How does this ligger find the time to keep this thread bumped every time it goes to page 10 for literally two days

>>102348637
>>102348666
>indie seethe out of nowhere
Were you not in /ggg/ at the time the watch was announced? I was. The general sentiment there was literally that the watch was massively overpriced for what it was and that we'd be skipping it. Why would you tell such a transparent lie?
Now go be insecure because you got called out for being a brown thirdworlder somewhere else.

>>102358267
>it took a literal TCG with almost every other talent in the company combined to finally dethrone dinogura
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Somehow you just made this lazy cope even dumber than the last twenty times you posted it, well done holodalit

>>102366866
Cute cope, but really there's no comparison.

>now it is less shitty but still shitty
HUGE HOLO W

>>102392007
>Holo (S&W)
Holo Smith & Wesson my beloved

>>102392351
it's a good topic that needs to stay. what, did this thread kicked off your Saba bait thread?

>>102397337
ESL ass ligger
If it were an interesting topic you wouldn't live off your necro bumps and be bumped naturally.

>>102394914
>4000 sales with all the buffs.
She didn't sell shits.

>>102397953
nta but this board is infested with deranged simians like (You), what you find "interesting" is no measure of a topic's quality

>>102397992
Wanna try that one again anon? In English this time?

>>102398015
Cope more

>>102398043
He didn't cope shits

>>102398069
>He

>>102398095
Cope more shits kek

>>102398205
Cope

>>102398236
How many shits though?

>>102398416
Lurk more

>>102394459
You loved the watch and fought anyone who called it stupid.

>>102398462
Learn English

>>102398872
Kek shitter

>>102398709
Nope, sorry. Now go shill your acryllics gacha some more.

>>102346562
I've never seen a single publicly listed company that doesn't become greedy.

>>102398890
Don't you mean "shitser" saar?

>>102398909
You mean like how you cumbuds did all the way until your whore left hololive? lmao
You have zero standards.

>>102399038
Learn English

go fight somewhere else this is not your discord server

>>102399073
Oh cool I didn't know this was the fanfic thread.
I'll stop talking about shit that's actually real then. You know, like Gura refusing to shill her 4th anniversary merch at all while you and your gook whores shill around the clock to this day, or your only standard being whether or not someone is branded with the blue dorito... KEK

>>102399077
>he's too ESL to realize
You can't take a hint for shits, can you shitsjeet?

>>102399207
Let's see you post some proof of this "general sentiment". You cumfucks were all over the board seething at anyone making fun of the watch.

>>102399250
Me so smart

It's goddamn hilarious to see him seethe over someone who ignores his intellectual showoff. Kek.

>>102347017
Just produce less kiara stands?

>>102399257
https://warosu.org/vt/thread/72334272#p72341217
>an entire /ggg/ thread full of chumbuds frankly discussing the watch being overpriced and mostly saying they'd pass, save for a handful of obvious trolls saying they'd buy three to spite certain posters
>including one anon literally proxy-posting for his watchfag friend to briefly debate a different anon on the finer points of watchfaggotry
This is literally /ggg/ by the way, so the place you'd expect to see the MOST positive sentiments of anywhere on the board. You, meanwhile, have posted no evidence of your hallucinations, let alone any evidence whatsoever that the alleged "chumbuds" simping for Cover's corporate greed aren't falseflaggers (You).
Red herring = slain. Better luck next time.

>>102399272
>>102399392
>his intellectual showoff
Wow, mocking the Pajeet's ESLfaggotry really hurt his pride. I wonder when he'll realize that making fun of browns for making basic grammatical mistakes like "she didn't sell shits" isn't fedora tipping.

Still feel da need to explain

>>102399467
>5 posts
>"mostly saying"
Every thread after the announcement was defending it. The worst anyone could say about it was "I'm not buying it" but not shitting on anyone that did choose to buy it. That combined with the other cumbuds seething at anyone that made fun of it it's clear you never actually opposed it.

>>102399625
>Denies clear evidence right in front of his face
>Lies about how many posts criticized the watch or its price
>Refusing to buy something because it's overpriced is "defending it"
>Not LITERALLY JOINING FORCES with threadshitter antis to, and I quote, "shit on" anyone who DOES buy the watch, and telling seething brown raiders to gtfo, is also "defending it"
>"Every thread after the announcement defended it" he lies, provides no proof because he knows damn well that on the contrary, he and his fellow monkeys were spamming the catalog with watch bait threads for weeks
Sorry anon, but these are all pretty damning admissions on your part.
Looks like I've proven you wrong yet again. The fact that you've had to completely change your position, shift the goalposts and grasp THIS hard for the scraps of a case makes it pretty clear we didn't "love it" like you claimed and weren't running damage control on the catalog like you pretended we were. That's why you had to equivocate "not buying the watch but also not indulging the deranged monkeys' effeminate need for emotional validation because you're irrelevant, dysgenic losers" with "loving" and "defending" the watch - because you're backed into a corner and desperate.
Sorry you did this to yourself. Maybe stop making shit up without looking at the evidence first?

>>102399586
The seethe is palpable holy kek

He's afraid people will realize he's the same poster...

>>102399876
You didn't show any clear evidence, cumcuck. Several of you cucks defended the watch and called others poor.

>>102400315
Concession eternally accepted, you may now livestream your suicide

>>102400398
Yes I'm sure the people who eat up overpriced Gura-branded slop are actually "raiders" that just hate Gura.

>holodrone
niJEET SEAthe thread #147,158,951,092,349

>>102400414
>Why would falseflaggers fly a false flag?
They were either that or holodrones like (You) who turned on the girls the moment they left because you're disloyal traitors and corpocatamites. Which is why you can't point to any evidence to clear your name.

>>102401599
>holodrones like (You) who turned on the girls the moment they left
You're so close to being self-aware. You cumcucks are the biggest holodrones ever and not that your whore left hololive you claim you always hated hololive despite constantly going on about muh dino gura and Dodgers collab.

>>102401737
Phasecuck melty

>>102346562
holojews

>>102346775
+1
I will never buy gacha merch if I can help it

>>102384045
That's horrendous, I don't care that hoyoverse fucked up your brain, when gbf had 3% it was bad enough.

>>102384045
1500 yen per single?

>>102401737
It's really funny when Phasefag call others people cuck

>>102402489
>>102412520
Where did you pull this phase seethe from? What happened to me being a "holodrone"?

>>102401737
>>102412826
>Consistwntly celebrating Gura's accomplishments and not glazing the company make YOU le holodrone because... juat because okay!
>Also everyone I don't like is literally one anon
More concessions? Okay I accept

>>102417094
>merch sales and corpodrone events
>Gura's accomplishments
lmao you really are a holodrone

>>102347017
Maybe they could just #dobetter and fix their shit-ass website that leaks sales figures to the benefit of no-one.
maybe they could shove their chintziest product over to a global print-on-demand supplier and just forget about having stock and give their fans local shipping rates while they're at it.

>>102417415
As I thought, all you have is projection. You don't even care that what you're saying is nakedly absurd. Sad, really.

>>102419562
If "Gura's accomplishments" are some shit that only happened because of the corpo then she has no accomplishments.

>>102419645
They only happened because of Gura, holodrone.

>>102419645
clearly that's not the case, because she's doing just as good, if not better, minus the dorito

>>102420028
>>102420098
Ok where's the Saba Dodgers collab? It's not going to happen.

>>102346562
I don't understand. Wouldn't it make more sense just to let people buy their oshi's product specifically? Why a lottery?

>>102420703
kek like anyone cares about baseball. she makes more money just doing her thing, did you see how fast her merch sold out?

>>102420703
Oh, the big sponsorships and collaborations are coming...

>>102421221
is that real? I would buy the fuck outta that

>>102421556
It seems to be, though I don't speak Gook. It was posted in /same/ a few weeks back, around the debut.

>>102422854
>>102421556
>>102421221
https://www.instagram.com/p/DLkA8UKhFIT/

>>102347121
i love you outfit schizo

>>102346390 (OP)
Hollow Lives

>>102423864
Holy based Taiwanniki

>>102346775
best post
anyone who says otherwise is a brownoid from sea pretending to be white

itt: holo jealous monkey spends 3 days bumping his own dead thread.

>>102428681
This brazilian liggerbrown has been making similar threads on the catalog for YEARS.
I'm guessing some Holo owned his liggerwhore in some fashion and now he's latching onto ex-Holos for shitposts.

>>102429188
probably

shit thread

>>102412520
TRVKE

>3 day old thread with barely a y discussion keeps getting bumped by a single schizo
No wonder this board is dead

>>102405184
t. phasespic

>>102347158
KEK

>>102348041
>You know I have to admit, posts like these made me mad
bro really admitted he lost

>>102397993
You're not aryan, you're brazilian.

>>102399197
has to be some of the mods involved at this point, this board's deader than hell and this fag makes these threads dozens of times a month

>>102428681
>>102429188
>>102429409
>

>>102429938
brown

>>102400104
gotta keep up the Holoseethe thread somehow

this board is fucking dead

but enough about anycolor

>>102376631
maybe if you only watch liggerslop

>>102392351
spic on welfare= no need to work

>>102369339
actually the blacked company is phase connect

>>102384934
never have

>>102385463
>wasting your money on gacha merch from Japan > : (
>wasting your money on gacha for some jew's pockets in the US :O

>>102347121
>outfitschizo is a homowatcher
LOOOOL

>>102421221
shork

>>102347411
this

>>102346562
>less than 8% chance of getting your oshi
Grim.

>>102346390 (OP)
tragic