If she continuously streams for more than 1 month without a weird break, then that means it really was just Hololive

1 month is fucking nothing. Maybe after a year.

>>102374362 (OP)
Not really. Redebut motivation boost and the urge to prove you can be active again could make her go a full 3 months of good activity before it fizzles out.

Holodrones will be goalpost moving forever cause they can't accept that Yagoo is Riku 2.0

>>102374454
you're not fooling anyone Nijisis

>>102374362 (OP)
It doesn't matter how long she streams consistently, schizos/antis /here/ will shitpost about it as soon as she takes a break, even if it's after a year.
>>102374454
You're too obvious, retard.

>>102374454
holy retard.

>>102374454
this is why you ask for tripcodes

>>102374362 (OP)
her energy already means it was just hololive

>>102374362 (OP)
But that means you admit she never did anything in Hololive and should have been fired years ago.

>>102374362 (OP)
>doesn't know what an ann(u)al report is, probably didn't work a normal job before Hololive
>"Name people you like to win arguments against"
>My boss!
KEK

>>102374362 (OP)
Its about money, dummies.
Imagine you are gura.
>Sweet passive income...
>But also, obligations, rules, corpo noise/meetings/upkeep
>Fuck all that, just want passive income
>*idea* can DIY
>Just debut some lolibait model...
>BAM
>Mission accomplished
Its that shrimple

>>102374362 (OP)
>continuously
she's not streaming right now. there's your answer.

>>102374362 (OP)
why hasn't she collabed with Nimi?

>>102375243
She is tonight
Playing Elden Ring with Nimi and Doob

>>102374362 (OP)
>Continuously streams
Well, over 21 days since her debut, counting her debut, she only streamed publicly 9 times. That should be your answer

>>102374362 (OP)
Why such a short timetable? Do you have so little faith in her?

>>102374454
Riku is so incompetent at running a vtuber company that he seems actively malicious. Yagoo shows a great deal of consideration for HoloEarth and Holostars with his main flaw being that he is completely indifferent towards Hololive. He allowed contract disputes with the girls to get so bad that 7 of them graduated to be indie vtubers. Sakuna was Aqua, Dooby was Ame, Nimi Nightmare was Fauna, Ruka was Chloe, Sameko Saba was Gura, and Kurageu Roa was Shion. When Mumei announces her indie debut that will be 7 graduations that were caused by disagreements that could not be settled. The Yagoo tea party is a small step forward but it's over a year late.

>>102374731
>boring, one 4 hour stream, cant stick to one game, no schedule, already took 4 days off.

... so uh.. Enjoying your merch?

>>102376363
Not that you're off base with Yagoo being interested in the projects and innovations his company undertakes, but to say he allowed contract disputes is a little much. At least in Chloe and Aqua's cases, it was more about the direction and requirements the company was setting from a top level. Yagoo does not have nearly enough sway anymore to really make a hard left to keep talents who do not align with the current model. Mumei on the other hand 100% had shittery going on with middle-upper management. Could Yagoo had intervened? probably, but he was likely not presented with the severity of the situation until after the fact.

>>102376538
Huh you're just describing hololive and no I don't buy plastic stando for 200$

Please stop with the collabs, she has 0 chemistry with dooby...

>>102377170
She has zero chemistry with everybody. Her best collab partner is her chat and she phones that in as well.

Let's be honest if Saba continously streams for more than 1 month If she continuously streams for more than 1 month without a weird break, then that means it really was just Hololive

>>102375243
lmao fucking retard

>>102377402
Saba can't carry these 2 charisma vacuums on her own

>>102377402
you realize he did that on purpose? retard.

>>102374362 (OP)
1 month is the min benchmark to say she's "back" 3 months is the actual proof she's committed to being back and it was actually Cover fucking her around.

>>102374362 (OP)
>>102374417
>>102374432
>>102378215
>one month
>3 months
>a year
The bargaining is really hard

>>102374362 (OP)
>it really was just Hololive
You mean it really was just her. Not Hololive. Plenty of other girls are in Hololive and yet they stream.

>>102374362 (OP)
It's okay to just admit that it was Hololive. If she was burnt out with being a chuuba then why come back at all? We're talking about a pretty substantial investment in art, rigging, assets, etc. and it doesn't take a genius to figure out that she should be more or less set in terms of money. If there's any EN that didn't need to come back, it was her.
My opinion as a former Hololive fan is that Hololive is currently mired in corporate bureaucracy. I suspect that this has hit EN harder than JP because of the language/culture barrier. The EN management likely has little actual autonomy and exists primarily to be the EN tard wrangler and mouthpiece of JP management. So in every kind of interaction, negotiation, whatever the EN girls who are not in Japan and don't speak Japanese are at significant disadvantages.
She was not cryptic about why she left so I don't know why it's treated as if it's unclear. It was about as open as she could make it while maintaining some level of respect. It seems pretty obvious that she felt choked by the system. Perms for this, perms for that, can't do this project, can't sing this song, can't talk about this, can't switch games mid-stream.
Part of it is definitely how long she had been living with this unhappiness. For anyone that doesn't remember, it had been YEARS since she did anything resembling a regular schedule and she pretty much showed up for corporate mandated collabs, events, and sometimes holidays. Obviously we'll never know what the arrangement was, but if I had to guess she was locked into a long term contract with minimum streaming hour targets to hit and somewhere midway through the contract something happened with management and she shut down and decided to only hit the contract minimums.
Either way I'm not mad at Hololive. I think they fumbled several of the best chuubas in EN, but ultimately Nimi seems happy, Dooby seems happy, Saba seems happy and that's really all I care about. Everything else is just noise and what ifs.

>>102374362 (OP)
>>102378341
People really ignoring how long it took her to burn out when she was in hololive

>>102378562
>It's okay to just admit that it was Hololive.
It would be if the disappearing act was something she hadn't done before hololive

>>102378642
another retard pretending twitch was her career

>>102378739
I know pattern recognition is hard for you anon
So how long until saba isn't her career anymore?

>>102374731
That's not how it works. Even in hololive she sometimes came back to stream a whole bunch for ~3 weeks before disappearing again.
And now she has a huge boost to her motivation from redebuting, that'll keep her going for a few months before she goes back to her old ways.

She was always like this, it's in her DNA. Not that I'd be against her overcoming it one day, by all means. Just don't believe it'll be permanent.

>>102374971
Cover was benefiting the most from Gura's success, in terms of passive income.
All those record-breaking merch and IP sales, *poof* gone.
After 2.5 years, she realized she wasn't getting much in return for her own paid projects, some they cancelled and just wasted her time. Now she's showing how it's done, like making merch in the US for Western fans. Free shipping.

>>102378607
People just like to shit on vtubers for no reason. When they say "Saba will burn out" it means they don't watch her, but they need to seethe at something, so you will see posts like "no stream today, she's burnt out already" and then she puts up a waiting room and the seethe just moves further to "no stream tomorrow, she's burnt out". And she'd better have no breaks whatsoever, or the board will get flooded with doomposting

>>102378642
I don't see it that way. The question implied by the OP is "why did Gura not stream?" with the potential answers being "she's a lazy whore who hates streaming and her fans" and "she initially loved Hololive, but eventually became disillusioned with the reality and what Hololive became". My position is that the latter is clearly why she disappeared and even if elements of the former are true, the latter accelerated the burnout and ultimately ended the relationship.
I'm also pessimistic. So many lovebomb cycles have led to me guarding my heart a lot more than I used to. I think skepticism is fair, but I think that attempts to pin blame completely on her wallpapers over serious issues within Hololive. Regardless, I'm going to enjoy Saba for as little or as long as I have her.

>>102376363
>tazumi is uhhhh evil and incompetent or something
>yagoo shows a great deal of consideration for useless game devs and a failed male branch with his main flaw being that he is completely indifferent towards the only thing that finances them

was gonna write a long paragraph about this issue... I guess I care enough to reply to this thread but not enough to write it anymore, bitch dissapeared, if she doesn't do it anymore, good, if she does it again, good. I want Hololive to keep going on, nobody is special or unreplaceable and that's the healthies way you can see these streamers eitehr indie or corpo

>>102374362 (OP)
she did mentioned that the stress of being in holo was her reason to leave, idk why people are so overly obsessed with hiatus

>>102379196
The way he said it makes it seem like a distinction without a difference. The biggest reason that I think Nijisanji and Riku are looked upon harshly is the petty shit and poor media training. The play buttons, the yacht, the documents going into anal detail why a chuuba is being fired/punished, "Negligible", and that's only the ones I can remember off the top of my head.
Nijisanji is also just really bad at keeping its dirty laundry hidden. ALL OUT WAR, the clique, the attempt, the black screen stream. When a chuuba leaves Nijisanji it's like they can't WAIT to take a giant shit all over it and this is less common with ex-Holos even ones that specifically cite irreconcilable differences with management. We can speculate as to why that may be, but the end result is still that general opinion about the way Hololive manages its talent is more favorable than the way Nijisanji does it.

>>102378562
>If she was burnt out with being a chuuba then why come back at all?
She has bills to pay like anyone else. What else is she gonna do, get a regular job?

>>102376673
Yagoo owns 39% of the stock and the majority of stock is owned by guys working in upper management. The continuous attempts at HoloPro unity does indicate that Yagoo controls the overall direction of the company. If stockholders who only cared about revenue were actually in control things would be different. The way that Gura responded to the Yagoo question really indicates that she did blame him for the graduations. Yagoo being indifferent to Hololive would explain why talents are upset but not to the same level as vtubers who graduate from Nijisanji.

>>102374362 (OP)
Of course it was, it's just so easy to play victim isn't it?

>>102376673
>>102376363
>>102374454
the fact stars exist at all is evidence to me that yagoo is an actively malicious retard

>>102380998
>he way that Gura responded to the Yagoo question
what?

>>102374362 (OP)
she only does stream once a week. She is clearly just lazy.

You retarded tinfoil hat chuddy corpodrones who worship Japanese women with soulless pit-black pupil have never been right about anything, how does that make you feel?

No Hololive EN members streaming today, I wonder why?

>>102374362 (OP)
for most people it'd probably take 2-3 months. she's come back for a month before, twice. she's on track for it, though.
not like holodrones would ever admit it, though. there will always be space in the stadium for them to move that goalpost.

>>102374362 (OP)
Didn't we already establish that it was all because her Sweden trips? Even her timeslot is euro-friendly now (23:00).

>>102384565
Sweden trips? What is this new schizobabble?

Also lazy lol

>>102384565
GMS!
>>102384875
it's old schizo babble

I mean, what else would be it BESIDES Hololive? Isn't it agreed that she didn't want to do all the work that comes with being in it? What else could it possibly be

>>102374362 (OP)
I'll take six months.
At least give me the FuwaMoco debut treatment before fucking off.

You must be some kind of inbred not to think that management meetings at 4 PM JST are worth the hassle.

>>102378862
Yeah desu this. I still like her anyway but don’t expect a bunch of activity. Leopards don’t change spots. Her first year or so in holo was an insane outlier.

>>102374454
TPBP

>>102383491
Just the usual bullshit. Cover still doesn't realize they need to schedule streams. There should be at least two streams in US prime time hours every day. They're literally letting their own company die. All of those viewers are going to be watching non-holo vtubers and finding new oshis.

>>102374362 (OP)
how so, shes literally doing nothing different from what she did on hololive

>>102374362 (OP)
Why can't it just be that Gura didn't vibe with the direction the company went in and that's it, and there's no great fault on her part and no great fault on their part and sometimes round pegs don't fit into square holes? Why's it always gotta be a fight to make someone or the other look bad? If you like Hololive then you should be grateful for Gura's contributions to it. If you like Gura you should be grateful for Hololive's contributions to her career. I swear some of you niggers would be happier in the jungle flinging feces at each other.

>>102387065
hololive is 100% the bad guys since they have the faggots

>>102374362 (OP)
Regardless on if she does or not I will always support indie over corpo

>>102374362 (OP)
What word comes to mind first ? Hate ? Disrespect ? Egoism ? Contempt ? Abuse ? Carnival ? Lazyness ?

>>102387518 (me)
forgot the pic

>>102378341
so you noticed how arbitrary these rules are no matter what the time span is. it's another pointless bait thread

>>102378862
it's not about activity. she never acted like this in her returns.

>>102387564 (me again)

How nice to have graduated from THE best company (KEKson words, not mine) to have become yet another Twitch enshart.
When you had the chalice at hand's reach. (in picrel)

>>102374362 (OP)
>doesn't stream
>eeeh, saba back to her old ways
>streams
>eeeh, saba is a corpo
either way, saba wins

>>102374454
>Nijisis after seeing an inch
Nah nijisanji will forever be a black corpo after failed pushing for selen suicide attempt, i would 100% believe if selen died they would cover it up and dismiss her existence.

>>102374362 (OP)
Gura stream 21 times a month after her debut, can saba do it?

>>102374362 (OP)
What a suprise that making the same amount of money as before without having to give 50% of it to someone else is a big motivator to do your job, I know none of you fags have ever had a job but how is this hard to fucking understand

>>102374362 (OP)
What counts as continuously? She's already skipped days.

>and we never saw elden ring again....

>>102389598
Wait, I've heard this one before ! It's a classic !

Even MIKENEKO played ER like 5 times.

>>102374454
Yagoo isnt the problem its all the other suits

>>102376363
>Kurageu Roa
WHO ?

>>102387065
It's been repeated by many other talents, including JP, that Hololive has changed greatly since joining. Some, like Suisei, like the new direction.
Myth thrived when they had to do everything themselves at the start. But more corporate control wasn't welcomed with little in return. Kiara was the first willing to quit due to the lack of attention they were receiving.

>>102374454
Nothing to do with the leader in Hololive but their management is turning into Nijisanji tier.

>>102374362 (OP)
japanese work ethic means you are on call all your life for the company. no exemptions.

>>102378341
Regardless of the arbitrary benchmark, the sentiment is still the same that people are extremely wary of her sudden return to streaming "normally" considering her history

>>102383139
>>he way that Gura responded to the Yagoo question
>what's good my boy?
>staying out the way
https://youtu.be/ash9FVn3trc?t=9249
You could read into that, but knowing Gura is a tiktok addict, she's just quoting this
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/iTN_q76hO10

>>102374362 (OP)
Here's a hint: It's yellow & a woman.

>>102374362 (OP)
I still believe holo was putting a mountain of restrictions on her since she was the face of EN.

>>102395598
>Here's a hint: It's yellow & a woman.
?

tl;dr I'm retarded enough to write a wall of text, sorry.

>>102395276
That question was so unbelievably cringe for Kiara to ask because it is such obvious corpo-daddy fanservice that she felt obligated to do, which is why I think within that awkwardness Gura dropped a TikTok reference that they probably had joked about behind the scenes between talents, if I were to pull from my experiences in the corporate world.

>>102394646
Niji is just the embodiment of the soulless corporation meant to generate as much revenue as possible, which within their dysfunctional cost-obsessed hiring process allowed lower level people to fill the void with their own power-hungry cruelty.

Hololive is run by a vtubing fan (Yagoo), so ideologically there is more to it than revenue, however he also seems to be someone who likes to larp as a bigtime CEO, so there's a lot of uncomfortable management processes and bureaucracy that were introduced. Not to mention the work culture clash between EN and JP, with the irony being that once Hololive started paying more attention to Myth, it meant that more JP work expectations were projected onto them.

>>102395785
1000% they were, because it became a brand issue instead of just a talent issue. The problem is, that's an extremely tough line to toe in a large corporation. They know that pissing off Gura is bad, but the corporate structure makes it easier and SAFER for management to stick up for the company over the talent.

Ultimately, vtubing companies are at the frontlines of what I believe to be a transition within the public perspective on work. People are realizing that the worker creates the value, and the corporation's input is not worth the degree of value they extract from the equation. So in a performance-oriented industry like vtubing where talents are so connected with their fanbases, they quickly start to wonder "what is this company really doing for me, when I'm literally the face of this character and doing all of the labor in cultivating a paying customer base?"

>>102378862
Saba is gonna Saba. She's an extremely talented artist, and if you've ever been around those types, you'll know that they are a bit...fragile in some ways. You just have to roll with it and enable them to continue making amazing stuff.

And that is where I think some members of the fandom get a little misguided when thinking about her, because they put so much weight into her streams. But that isn't her art, and I really believe she doesn't think it is either, and it is taxing to her for people to demand streams like that's the only value she has. But she can't produce a huge amount of music either, because she pours so much of herself into it that it takes a long time and is a really intense emotional and physical workload for her.

>>102387258
I will never understand why you parasocial retards hate Holostars so much.

>>102396388
>I will never understand why you parasocial retards hate Holostars so much.
probably because you are a retarded tranny

>>102396388
>Ultimately, vtubing companies are at the frontlines of what I believe to be a transition within the public perspective on work. People are realizing that the worker creates the value, and the corporation's input is not worth the degree of value they extract from the equation. So in a performance-oriented industry like vtubing where talents are so connected with their fanbases, they quickly start to wonder "what is this company really doing for me, when I'm literally the face of this character and doing all of the labor in cultivating a paying customer base?"
This is the part that's very hard for /vt/ to understand.
To many, it feels like they think that working as a hololive character IS the default, rather than a give and take.
They don't understand that the question shouldn't be "Why did they quit if they just want to do the same things?" and instead "Why did the benefits of holo get outweighed by the costs of working there?" And the answer is almost never monetary since there's no fucking way any of the alums have earned more money for the same time as Holo's passive income through merch and sponsorships just using the character IP.

I can sort of get why people might make the mistake though after looking at the Niji girls. They absolutely improved by all metrics since leaving, but Niji really isn't Holo.

>>102374362 (OP)
>more than 1 month
It’s hilarious that even her most devoted fans are already preemptively coping with the idea that she won’t last more than 3 months.
Maybe Hololive was once the reason she didn’t stream,
but now Hololive is the only reason she does.
Saba’s streaming just to make sure HoloEN doesn’t steal her audience while they gear up for a big media push this summer.
Same reason she streamed during every HoloEN birthday or debut — it’s all just counterprogramming.

>>102374826
She was literally cleaning toilets before. Saba knows what a dirty and real job is more than half of this shitty place.

>>102374417
>Maybe after a year.
good luck

she's going back to Sweden soon so expect the streams to stop

>>102374362 (OP)
This is still the honeymoon phase. She knows this is a critical time where the paypigs must be saddled. If she doesn't fuck off after this, then yes

>>102374362 (OP)
One can only hope