Even though the rising indiesphere has less stigma against malecollabs, there just aren't that many good male chuubas to collab with outside of Holostars and Nijisanji, which each have significant baggage or redtape.

>>102403832 (OP)
>less stigma
Not for long. Males are bad for a brand.

>>102403913
Not all brands. Sure, some chuubas like ERB and Juna Unagi have taken flak for associating with the opposite sex, but others have built fanbases that completely bypass the debuff. Dokibird's dragoons do not care *at all* if she collabs with men, and on the opposite side, Vedal has a whole (completely untouched) harem of chuubas who DEPEND on him and his neuroverse to survive.

One things for sure. Unicorns are now an endangered species due to habitat loss

even doki has limited supply of male collab partners mostly since her primery collab focus is fps brainrot and a few of them didnt like her yaoi shipping them behind their backs :D funny enough being a fujoshi is something elira and doki have in common sadly they didn't bond over that

>>102403832 (OP)
>Even though the rising indiesphere has less stigma against malecollabs
literally the opposite has happened

>>102404526
What are you smoking? Dokibird and Filian between them have hosted MULTIPLE mixed gender mass collabs. Their gravitational pull was enough to even entice IdolEN girls who normally avoided men. In the indie scene, your size dictates your influence. And right now, the biggest indies are open to malecollabs.

>>102403832 (OP)
who asked

>>102404754
>doki
3k viewers, male collabs barely get 2k, nothing against her personally but she is not one of the biggest indies anymore
>filian
irrelevant normie fleshtuber pandering
>idolEN
when did the idol girls even talk to them lol

The biggest indies right now are saba and nimi, both don't do male collabs. Now guess who is currently having a bigger effect on the indie scene, doki and filian, or saba and nimi. The era of garbage like whore clan and ex-vshojo trash are over.

>>102405819
>Now guess who is currently having a bigger effect on the indie scene, doki and filian, or saba and nimi
The former since they actually interact with the indie scene. The latter are still part of the Hololive sphere even if they aren't employed with Cover anymore, their fans still watch Hololive and don't touch any indie tuber that didn't come from Hololive.

>>102405819
>Now guess who is currently having a bigger effect on the indie scene, doki and filian, or saba and nimi.
Doki and Filian by far. They actually branch out and are constantly growing the scene while Saba and Nimi are contained in their own little box of people who knew them from Holo.
Hell, if you were to ask the average western stream watcher you'd be far more likely to see people recognize Doki, Ironmouse, and Filian over any of the holos/ex-holos bar gura due to extreme advertising, which isn't happening with Saba.

Can you imagine Saba or Nimi doing any kind of event or promotion for the rest of the scene, let alone other streamers outside of it?

>>102405895
>>102406440
interaction with the scene =/= impact on the culture and behavior of other indies. normalfags might recognize ironmouse or filian but the actual impact that has on vtubers and the dedicated fans of vtubers is low. male collabs have literally never been less popular

>>102406507
>normalfags might recognize ironmouse or filian but the actual impact that has on vtubers and the dedicated fans of vtubers is low.
?????
Anon? People know what a vtuber is because of these girls. Their outreach and support for all the other vtubers is what gives them an impact on the scene. Hell, you could easily say Ironmouse influences far, far more about western vtuber culture than Saba or Gura does.

The Holobox, while large, is very isolated and completely cut off from the actual western scene.

>>102406629
these people that filian and ironmouse attract don't give a fuck about vtubers, they contribute nothing to the scene. bringing normalfags into otaku hobbies has always been detrimental and you're trying to sell it as a good thing lol

>>102406629
I think he is in denial

>>102406507
male collabs were never that popular even at the height of luxiem popularity simply because the fanbase of female Vtuber involved doesn't get anything out of it even if they don't feel cucked. Male Vtubers are always whiny and annoying they select them for the female/gay audience so heterosexual fanbase of female Vtubers have to pretend they're not actually repulsed.

>>102406683
>these people that filian and ironmouse attract don't give a fuck about vtubers
The western world doesn't give a fuck about vtubers. They want entertaining streamers and vtubing is a debuff outside of Japan. And it will continue to be a debuff until vtubing gets normalized.
Hell, the reason Japan gets such good numbers for their vtubers is BECAUSE the normalfags watch it.

>>102406743
It works the other way, too. A lot of the "bigger" male vtubers are BFE and their female fans don't want them collabbing with other girls. Even the shitty ex-nijis like Kyo complained about it happening to them. He was getting death threats for being too close to Enna, etc.

>>102406859
Indeed, that is what a look at /mans/ seems to suggest, although the feeling is evidently less strong on the other side. Most female fans don't seem to mind when Shu or Vox appear with a girl, as long as it doesn't interrupt one of their precious ASMR streams.

>>102406819
Vtubing will never get normalized and will only get less popular as we go on. Gen Alpha aren't going to grow up to watch anime because anime is their parents' weird hobby. The next big thing is going to be either AI (virtual assistants/NetNavis instead of vtubers) or grass touching once humanity finally gets sick of TikTok.

>>102404754
>Their gravitational pull
I don't think Filian or Doki is that overweight yet.

>>102404754
>when did the idol girls even talk to them lol
Oh yes, the idolEN girls did indeed talk to the males on wrestletuber. And Fuyo hiding behind her alt ego "fuyoman" did little to ease their unicucks' pain. It was glorious.

>>102407138
Fuyo literally wasn't there, anon... Fuyoman was I think Juna doing a voice. You can see her mouth move when he's talking.

>>102407138
(Me) Their seethe reached its peak when Bettel matched up against, talked to, and then defeated Fuyo in the semifinals iirc. It was so delicious to see the unicorns cower from the inexorable march of mixed gender unity.

>>102407200
Even if your schizo conspiracy theory was true, it mattered little to the idolEN fans who were upset about the whole event to begin with. The point was that a large indie's sphere of influence can overpower the cultural norms of even relatively unicorn friendly pockets outside of Hololive and maybe phase.

>>102407235
Anon? Those aren't melties. Those look like funny shitposts.
Also I'm pretty sure Juna talked about voicing him afterwards

>Male Vtubers
That's the problem

>>102404754
this bitch lives in 2023

>>102404137
>Fujos
>Bonding
Lmao nigger what the fuck are you babbling about? There is no hatred more extreme than the hatred any two given Fujos will have toward each other.

>>102404754
>Dokibird and Filian
We are in a post Saba world, paradigms will change.

>>102408064
Saba hasn't done anything relevant in half a decade.

>>102406440
>western vtubing fans won't know who Saba is
What causes such dilusions?

>>102406629
>Hell, you could easily say Ironmouse influences far, far more about western vtuber culture than Saba or Gura does.
Meanwhile quite literally every indie both RT'd Saba and mentioned her debute when it happened.

>>102408134
I said people who watch streams.
Right now, Nimi, Dooby, and Saba aren't really growing, nor are they making an effort to. They haven't even tried to reach out to new audiences or get new fans to replace anybody leaving, and right now they certainly aren't participating in the scene proper.
Not that they seem to care since they look like they're treating this as retirement, and even if they become a fraction of what they were in Holo, they'll still be living easy for life.

Though none of this should matter to you because it's their job to worry about statistics, not you numbermonkeys.

>>102408064
She'll go back to not streaming in about a month or so.

>>102408352
>I said people who watch streams
>but don't look at who has better numbers
Makes you think.

>>102409566
Anon, please improve your reading comprehension.
Remember how Pekora was shown at the streamer awards and nobody had any fucking idea who she was?

>>102409595
I didn't know who the fat fucking ginger was either, what's your point dipshit? I hate normalfag retards like you get the fuck off my board or just kill yourself already

>>102410689
The point is that the fat ginger's audience and reach completely dwarfs pekora's outside of Japan (and even in it if we're looking globally), and outside of the stragglers from hololive, those kinds of people are the only viewers the ex-holos can can pull from now that they don't have big H giving them free JP viewership.

Again, they will be fine, but as it is, they have not done anything to cause any kind of impact in the english streaming or vtuber community due to focusing entirely on their cobbled together, insular unit.
In other words, they're less impactful despite having bigger noombers because they haven't been actively reaching out to replace the fans dropping off with their new overseas audience pool, and thus the only people they've been influencing is their own decreasing audience.

This is not an attack on you or them, but just a clear observation of how they've behaved since returning, as it is likely they won't continue on this path for long and will eventually start doing more once they've settled.

I don't know how I can make this any more clear that the ones constantly reaching out and investing in the community have a bigger impact than the ones who don't.

>>102403913
>Meanwhile every single devastating brand blowup this year alone has been done by a woman caused by a woman
Okay

>>102409595
>Remember how Pekora was shown at the streamer awards and nobody had any fucking idea who she was?
Well that's gonna change.

I wonder how much of the problem is that the girls see this all as sexist nonsense but are afraid of the backlash from their fans?

>>102412881
Probably a decent chunk. I know it's a pain for Doki to work around to make sure the GFEs don't talk to guys during her events, like with the Fuyoman thing.

>>102412946
Fucking unicorns are a cancer on the hobby.

>>102403832 (OP)
didn't read don't care death to male vtubers

>>102413147
Eh. I think it's fine if they stick to the unicorn-friendly chuubas and don't try to project that onto everyone else. There's clearly a market and many of the girls in that market are fine catering to it.

>>102404754
>IdolEN
I'm shocked they have any fans left

>>102403832 (OP)
most dont stream with males until they know for sure they aren't aster-likes through accumulated experience, that's why its usually the same handful

>>102413147
>muh ebil unicorns!!
cry harder redditfag

>>102413206
THANK YOU, that's it, that's the correct approach, let unicorns enjoy what they want as long as they don't cry their landwhale tears on the chuuba's vicinity, and the same applies to homobeggars. As long as you stay in your lane and just limit yourself to circlejerk with your fellow retarded anons, then it's all good.

>>102408169
yeah for grifting reasons, but they dont watch or care about what she actually does.

>>102403832 (OP)
kek are you trying to imply that Holostars and Nijisanji are good or something?

>>102415569
>Holostars
Yes - Not interested in watching them, but I love the idea of greater gender parity in the abstract.
>Nijisanji
No. Death to black corpos.

>>102414711
>>102413206
The silent majority agree with this. Unicorns and homobeggars can coexist, separate but equal.

>>102416310
>Not interested in watching them
Many such cases.

>>102413230
I mean they're basically just Lisa at this point. And she has hold overs from her last corpo.

>>102416310
> Not interested in watching them
average homobeggar

>>102412881
Basically all of them.

>>102418897
>muh invisible gun
fag, grow a pair

>>102418933
Try talking to people sometime

>>102416310
>Not interested in watching them
Every male vtuber "fans"

>>102419007
likewise, get off reddits

>>102419100
What even is your argument here other than sperging out over being told simple facts?

>>102419138
your fan fiction aren't facts

>>102404089
Doki has like 2k loyal fagoons who eat her slop up no matter what, her audience shrinks, not grows, at this point. Drama buff is long gone, she depends on collabs to stay relevant because no one likes a homeless looking tranny male collaber. She's on life support, without Mint and Dooby and manufactured controversies now and then she'd be long forgotten.

>>102416310
femcel hands wrote this post

>>102404089
Vedal's case needs to be studied

>>102420310
>>102419219
Is this a stealth bizarro /vt/ thread or what

>>102416310
>Not interested in watching them, but I love the idea of greater gender parity in the abstract.
Yeah that sounds like the average homo supporter on twitter

>>102419219
You're one big retard and you know it kek.
I'll spoil the magic for your anon your GFE chuuba hates your guts for being a faux muslim

>>102421879
didn't ask for your head canon

>>102416310
>Holostars
>Yes

>Not interested in watching them

>>102413147
t. Ass cancer from male collabs

>>102421070
It's quite simple, it requires a certain level of "annoying faggot" to WANT to become a male vtuber, Vedal didn't want to become one so he feels more like just some introverted dev guy. As for the "harem" that's just obvious, they're using Neuro's popularity to get a boost themselves. Leeching.

>>102424166
>Vedal didn't want to become one so he feels more like just some introverted dev guy.
If he didn't want to, he wouldn't have done it, genius.

>>102424197
I don't even like Vedal but your post is so insanely retarded. The post your responding to is obviously referring to the fact that Vedal never set out with the goal of becoming a main part of the stream or even having these interactions with girls in the first place, which is unlike other male vtubers.

>>102424274
And yet he did.
You're trying to claim as if he's some poor boy dragged onto the camera by all of the big mean girl bullies instead of a developer who noticed streaming was fun and decided to become a male vtuber to interact directly with people.

>>102424308
>And yet he did.
Which is why I don't like him but that's not the point
>You're trying to claim as if he's some poor boy dragged onto the camera by all of the big mean girl bullies
wtf are you talking about, I'm just saying he did not set out with the explicit goal of having his personal harem sucking his cock 24/7 on stream, but obviously once the opportunity arose he took it.

>>102424423
>I'm just saying he did not set out with the explicit goal of having his personal harem sucking his cock 24/7 on stream, but obviously once the opportunity arose he took it.
Pretty sure nobody does, which is my point.
If anything, he's the perfect example of the kind of male vtuber /vt/ hates. He's always surrounded by the girls and they're hanging on him 24/7 while shipping themselves with him. He even meets them IRL.

>>102424484
>Pretty sure nobody does, which is my point.
see luxiem and noctyx
>If anything, he's the perfect example of the kind of male vtuber /vt/ hates.
again, I don't like him

>>102424537
>see luxiem and noctyx
Even then not really.
At the start they were just a bunch of bros fucking around, which is why they had a significant male audience too. A few months in, though, apparently staff started pushing them down the yaoibait/bfe routes. There's even talk of that in Raz's files and how they reluctantly went along with it because of the money.
Doesn't excuse their actions since that time, but it's pretty clear that most of them didn't join for the promise of girls to suck their dicks. That came later. (Especially Luca and Vox).
And I think at least 3 of them were gay and one was a chick or something I forget. I really did like them those first few months. Real shame.

>>102406967
No, it’s that beggars annoy both sides. They, with good reason, don’t want to deal with fans of the girls. They don’t usually care when the girl is some indie. I’ve seen them get more mad about niji male collabs.

Swarmbeggars are the most annoying faggots on this board.

>>102407836
Ever find any leprechauns?

>>102412881
I mean it is but whatever, male vtubers are super annoying for the most so fuck em. That seems to be the position if most female vtubers "sure this is wrong and sexist but these assholes aren't worth losing a dollar over, fuck em".

>>102420310
It's funny that she's botted and is barely a 4view with the bots off

>>102424166
>As for the "harem" that's just obvious, they're using Neuro's popularity to get a boost themselves. Leeching.
this is way more apparent for girls like Koko, who pop up out of nowhere on Neuro streams to self-insert and remind everyone that they exist. absolute shameless behavior.

>>102404089
>who DEPEND on him and his neuroverse to survive.
Haven't several of them drifted away?
Some retarded drama I'm apparently too retarded to understand.
And maybe one or two just naturally stopped hanging out with him?

>>102403913
Male vtubers should never have been a thing in the first place.

>>102425924
I must politely disagree.

>>102431130 (Me)
Shit wrong person I meant >>102425469

>>102416310
>Yes - Not interested in watching them
Every single fucking time.

>>102404089
Why do vedalcucks harass female vtubers to collab with him?

>>102403832 (OP)
>Even though the rising indiesphere has less stigma against malecollabs, there just aren't that many good male chuubas to collab with outside of Holostars and Nijisanji, which each have significant baggage or redtape.
bold theory

If you're going to keep being unicorns then I'm going to keep saying Mumei is unironically autistic.

>>102416310
>Not interested in watching them, but I love the idea of greater gender parity in the abstract
every time

>>102435627
Unironically yes.

>>102435765
Why would you make a post to confirm what we already said we knew? Is it some kind of self-humiliation ritual for you?

>>102436174
Because what you see as a confession, I see as a unapologetic statement of principle.

What a terrible post.

>>102403832 (OP)
People watch vtubers because they want to fuck the anime girl, male vtubers are only unpopular because the audience for vtubers don't want to fuck men.

>>102436654
losers want to fuck the anime girl since they never will Chads watch anime girls because their funny ... you will never be a chad cuck-san

>>102404754
they're more twitch whores than actual vtubers, are completely separated from the otaku culture and hang out with fleshies

>>102437639
>are completely separated from the otaku culture
lol. lmao
>and hang out with fleshies
Damn, I guess everyone in HoloJP are a bunch of twitch whores, too.

>>102436256
You must be 18 or older to use this site

>>102415569
Nijisanji is good, Holostars (EN specifically) wishes it was Nijisanji.

>>102438511
I like some of the more "down-to-earth" models, no strange colors, weird lore, etc

>>102438511
>Nijisanji is good
Yeeeah, just by the OP, the holostars stuck by Selen and fought for her even against the japs, while the organs sat by and/or tried to smear her

Shame they're shit entertainers aside from like 2 of them, though

>>102415569
I mean I guess it's in degrees, they can be *better* without being *good*

>>102437400
>Chads watch anime girls
no, they don't.