Thread 102407610

>Breaking character to scold at chat
>Pressing politics in a smug or grandstanding way
>Supporting right-wing politics
>Complaining about creepy behavior
>Complaining about pedos
>Complaining about being sexualized
>Shit-talking other vtubers
>Bringing up boyfriends
>Banning backseaters

What are your vibe check triggers?

>>102407610 (OP)
>>Banning backseaters
That one is actually based

>>102407610 (OP)
WHERE'S THE ASTERSTEIN LIST?

>>102407610 (OP)
>What are your vibe check triggers?
Saying "bruh"

>>102407610 (OP)
>Supporting right wing politics
Instant unsub. Worse than feminists

>>102407663
All back seaters should be banned. Giving tips is fine as long as the streamer is asking, but in most cases not only does it ruin games for people and the learning process, we also know the fags back seating probably don't even play the game and have only watched it. Only watching games and not actually playing games has become a pathetic medium these days.

>>102407711
>Worse than feminists
so true xister

>>102407610 (OP)
>pic unrelated

>>102407610 (OP)
acknowledging hamas piker in any capacity.

>>102407610 (OP)
>Banning backseaters
You gave yourself away with this one OP, now everyone knows you're subhuman and cannot be taken seriously.

>>102407610 (OP)
She really hates chat. Watch the dobby collab, she was releasing some steam with that black goo monster

>>102407670
Are you still talking about aster?

Lmao, get fucked backseater.

>>102407610 (OP)
It's been years, yet more retarded slang has come and gone, and I still have yet to be convinced 'vibe check' has ever meant anything

>>102407610 (OP)
kinda weird to single out specifically right wing politics, but I guess mintcucks are part of the progressives who support whores posting nude photos of themselves.

>>102407663
Backseaters are mostly disgusting tourists anyways

>>102407663
This is true
If you want to filter backseaters from your community, just play Elden Ring

>>102407610 (OP)
>I'm going to be doing an IRL stream...

>>102410783
I love how people pretend their 2 view nobody has enough importance to be a tourist destination

Mentioning LGBT unironically, implying traditional gender roles aren't ideal, implying she doesn't look forward to becoming a mother, when they fangirl over a fictional character with no restraint

>>102407610 (OP)
>Breaking character to scold at chat
Only when actually breaking character (for instance, Cecilia scolding caffeine addicts is good)
>Pressing politics in a smug or grandstanding way
>Supporting right-wing politics
Pressing and supporting any sort of politics, left wing or right wing, in a smug way or not, is instant trash vtuber
>Complaining about creepy behavior
>Complaining about being sexualized
You might think this is bad untill pissfags or the like or general tourists who saw some lewd art and think the vtuber is like that on streams need to be filtered out
>Complaining about pedos
This is good, unless it's the lolicon=pedo kind of debecle, then agree
>Shit-talking other vtubers
>Bringing up boyfriends
Agree
>Banning backseaters
Based.

>>102407610 (OP)
>Supporting right-wing politics
So deranged you had to single it out, eh?

>>102411461
>we actually LOVE paying tariffs on our merch!

>>102407663
Kiara ignoring the game to talk about random shit and driving them insane is better than acknowledging them and banning them.

>>102407610 (OP)
3DPD other than handcam.

>>102411461
There aren't really any left wingers in vtubing that are nearly as prominent as Pippa is for the right.

>>102415325
Ironmouse

>>102407610 (OP)
When they speak modern slang unironically

>>102414284
Don't prove him right retard.

>>102415325
plenty of dumb lefty twitch foids

>>102407610 (OP)
>>Breaking character to scold at chat
mint does this a lot

>>102419434
Her character is a vengeful ghost, it's completely in-character

>>102410749
Is this about the purity of girls you're allowed to interact with, or unironically in favor of banning porn?
>>102411126
Are we actually saying that being into fictional characters is bad on /vt/? How many vtubers look or even act like their real life actors?
Are they only allowed shrines or whatever else of real life celebrities instead?

>>102407610 (OP)
My oshi doesn't use a vibrator

>>102407610 (OP)
>Breaking character to scold at chat
In like an overbearing, holier-than-thou tone or in a funny way like a female northernlion?

>>102407610 (OP)
>>Complaining about creepy behavior
>>Complaining about pedos
>>Complaining about being sexualized
Nothing wrong with any of this and if you think that there is then you're telling on yourself hard.

>>102410749
Pressing politics in general is annoying, but supporting chud aligned ideologies is alarming.

>>102407610 (OP)
we've reached the point where literal nobody, resident of this hellhole, giving checklist for other people on how to do their damn job.

>>102407670
can i just interrupt you for a second?

Are you still talking about Asterstein?
This guy's been talked about for days, Are people still talking about this guy?
This creep? That is unbelievable
I can't believe you're asking a question on Astertein at a time like this, when we're having some of the greatest success, and also tragedy with what happened in NijiSanji.
It just seems like a desecration

>>102420126
>Is this about the purity of girls you're allowed to interact with, or unironically in favor of banning porn?
I was just shitposting because OP annoyed me by singling out slop like chuubas reacting to asmongloid when the opposite like ironmouse talking to hasan is literally just as cancer
>>102420862
>muh chud
just kill yourself man

>>102420733
how do nimi or others find NL funny, dude is reddit incarnate

>>102410749
I agree that politics should not be brought up at all, but left-wing politics in general is high-empathy, benign and just obnoxious at worst, whereas right-wing politics is usually exclusionary and hateful.
The vibes are very different, one of them is acknowleding the existence of transpeople, the other one is wanting mass-deportations.

>>102407610 (OP)
>Supporting right-wing politics
I actually agree with this. Women should be vaguely left-leaning and progressive to reflect their nurturing nature. But as others have pointed out, vtubers really should not discuss politics at all.

>>102423236
>Left wing
>Empathy
>Wizard game
>Twitnigger
>Piker
>Nijinigg
Way to out yourself xister

>>102415325
>nearly as prominent as Pippa is for the right.

What did Pippa ever actually say to give her this reputation? Like, her reputation exists, and maybe she hasn't done much to dissuade it, but what did she say or do to start it? I can't think of any specific quotes that would have gotten her there.

>>102423236
shut the fuck up tranny, jesus christ.

>>102423539
Pippa's politics are literally whoever spoke to her last.
But she's considered a right wing goddess because she pandered to the kiwifuckers

>>102423236
>Left wing politics is high-empathy
Funniest shit Ive read in awhile.

>>102423440
>>102423558
>immediate personal attacks and attacks against transpeople
Thanks for proving my point that right-wingers are low-empathy.
If you want a chudtuber, that's fine.
I prefer kind-hearted vtubers, which is incompatible with the hateful nature of the right.

>>102423720
I'm not going to argue with your mental illness, If you want to play dress up I don't give a shit just don't act like you're above any other political retardation

>>102423755
Of course you won't argue, because you're proving my point again.
It doesn't matter what your retarded pet beliefs are, the reality is that right-wingers are inherently exclusionary.

>>102423755
He expresses himself stupidly because he apparently has investment in political issues, but his greater point as it concerns vtubers is correct.

>>102423791
I literally don't care tranny, go watch hasan or some shit if you want your retardation affirmed, if you're going to watch vtubers in the mean time shut the fuck up about it

>>102423839
are we just memory holing lefty vtubers throwing a shit fit over the stupid harry potter game and bullying pikamee

>>102423236
>acknowleding the existence of transpeople
You don't acknowledge them for what they are, which is demon-possessed. They play host to this entity which subsumes their conscious self, compels them to mutilate their bodies, and to find other susceptible hosts by which the entity may perpetuate itself.

You go along with this out of fear, I guess.

>>102423846
I don't care about affirmation, little bro.
But given a dichotomy of trans-inclusionary vs. trans-exclusionary, the trans-inclusionary one is naturally going to vibe as a much nicer person.
>>102423898
meds

>>102423912
being exclusionary is good when it keeps people like you out of hobbies meant for otaku. btw, people being nice won't make you a women

>>102423884
the english branches of the two biggest corpos also clearly boycotted it, likely because they feared mentally ill trannies like >>102423912 would make a stink

>>102423912
Either that, or you were into futa at some point, and this is how you make it normal for yourself.

>>102423720
>Wizard game
Muh..attack nice revision xister
>Loving
So you call
>Doxsister
>Twitter freaks
>Piker
Yeah no go back or increase percentage I don't care

>>102423884
That is also bad, because any serious politics in vtubing is bad. The ideal is an unspoken bland left-liberal moderate progressive position.

>>102423912
People like you is why people hate trans so congratulations you helped prove other guy points

>>102423990
the ideal position is females don't talk about politics because they aren't smart enough for it, and then they be cute and play the video game. doing this requires no "progressive" stances

>>102423912
>Trans
>Lefty
>Nicer
Hell no you fucks proven time and again that you mfs are scourge of hobby go away and never come back

>>102423987
I know right-wingers are usually of lower intelligence, but this is just blatant ignorance, my friend.
Yes, leftists can also be toxic. But that wasn't my point. I am talking about baseline progressives vs. baseline conservatives.
Baseline progressivism is benign and does not include toxic purity testing like cancelling people for playing Harry Potter. You don't need to know or care about Harry Potter to be a progressive.
Baseline conservatism however REQUIRES you to be exclusionary. That's what they're trying to conserve, the exclusion of immigrants and minorities. Orange man literally cut billions of dollars that went to legitimate charities for tax cuts under the guise of rooting out "corruption" aka some money went to sexual minorities.

>>102424103
This is the truth

>>102424231
>It doesn't count
>Irreverent shit(forgot to add illegal you fag)
>Orange man bad
That sure show me idiot

>>102424231
hilariously ironic to call right-wingers low IQ when you don't even understand why people are telling you to fuck off. You're simply an obnoxious cancerous tumor on internet communities, I don't give a shit about whatever immigrants or orange man shit is going on.

>>102424329
>orange man bad
I mean, there are some files he could release to prove he's not bad. You know, the ones he campaigned with the promise of revealing?

>>102424103
Yes that's what I'm getting at. Holding what are essentially the default political values of polite society signals that they don't really care about the topic, which is what we want.

>>102424231
>Off topic shit
>Appeal to morality
>Missed actual point
Nope you are way worse than righty go back

>>102424437
I wouldn't call default political values progressive but it doesn't really matter since I agree with your overall point anyway. the other tranny in this thread is still a retard though

>>102424490
NTA but yeah. Politics, regardless of the side, should not be brought up in streams. Not even a vtuber immersion thing but all it ever does is start fighting. Same thing with religion. I was always brought up to avoid talking about those subjects in public and from experience, it's pretty clear that it's the right call.

>>102424343
I have never said that being a progressive guarantees that you won't be obnoxious about politics, dumdum.
I am saying that being a conservative means that you're by definition a person who wishes to exclusionary.
That's the baseline for being a conservative right now.
>>102424329
>>102424480
Stop clogging up space in my thread with your low-effort garbage. This is your final and only warning.

>>102424427
>Continue to off topic
Concession accepted

>>102424585
Stop posting Mint. If you were a real wisp you wouldn't include
>Breaking character to scold at chat
in your list

>>102424654
She doesn't break character to scold at chat, though? She's in character when she does it.

>>102407610 (OP)
Bringing up politics in general is bad.
Also you forgot skipping cutscenes or talking over them in games. Not engaging with the game AT ALL (commentary is fine but keep it generally relevant) . And backseating complaints are fine but don’t ask for tips etc then get mad about it. Or if you’re just bad at the game don’t expect chat to not be retarded and try to “help”. Just ignore and play the damn game . If it’s really bad make a pinned message, address it and move on

>>102424620
It's not even the same anon, anon... There's no avatar or ad hominems...

>>102424585
>Baseline that low
may be (you) are the problem if that the case

>>102423236
Any European who doesn't support mass deportations is at best retarded. In America it's cringe to see vtubers maga grifting

>>102424654
Nor would they include
>Complaining about pedos

>>102407610 (OP)
>Not being from the south or even USA sometimes
>Keep saying "y'all"

>>102424585
>>102424585
First of all, acting like progressives or being left leaning means you are less exclusionary than right wingers is fucking hilariously stupid. You types of people are notorious for entering into communities and hobbies uninvited, then kicking out the original people who enjoyed them for not being morally righteous enough. Secondly, you still can't seem to grasp I am referring to your dumb shit in the realm of OTAKU realms and hobbies. being an OTAKU for specialized content like vtubers and anime means you have to be somewhat exclusionary, otherwise vtubing would just be another word for flesh streaming. I do not care If you want to be on obnoxious tranny in the communities that tolerate it, just keep it there.

>>102424654
It xister falseflag as wisp and a shitty one too only tourist would fall for it

>>102423236
>whereas right-wing politics is usually exclusionary and hateful
Left wing politics is just like that retarded whore Greta Thurnberg said
>We are here to ask questions, not provide solutions
Every other lefty thinks that millions of illegals should be let into their countries. But no one thinks about the strain on economy from all the "gibs" and strain on many other institutions too. Not to mention general safety because most of those people are borderline savages.
Also, lefties themselves would NEVER take in one of them into their own homes. The state should just somehow "figure it out".
Your politics are based on emotional outbursts instead of common sense.

>>102424744
>You types of people are notorious for entering into communities and hobbies uninvited
right wing tantrums somehow manage to be even more pathetic than left wing ones

>>102424825
great contribution to the thread bro, you're a nigger

>>102424876
and you're a fucking faggot
imagine crying about left wingers entering your safe space

>>102424811
>that retarded whore Greta Thurnberg
wasn't she an actual child?
Dude, you're calling a child a whore? What's wrong with you?

>>102424909
>just let your hobbies be ruined bro
kill yourself

>>102407663
True, OP probably got banned by Ame in 2021 and is still butthurt about it

This whole thread is the reason you don’t engage in politics AT ALL. As a (good) vtuber.
These are the people you attract. This becomes your audience

>>102424909
Letting people destroying your hobby
You're a cuck anon

>>102424940
Just make your own Discord server or whatever the fuck you zoomers do and don't invite people you don't like

>>102424986
even the tranny I was arguing with is more intelligent than you just stop replying to me

>>102424931
>22
>Child
Twitter tier retardation

>>102425013
Keep crying about your safe space bro, you totally aren't as pathetic as lefties with their adult coloring books

>>102424940
>>102424971
Right Wingfags who shove their poltics to do far to ruin vtubing tbhdesu
Cancer like Pippa and Krische or whatever fuck her name is and their orbiters are black stain upon vtubing

>>102424744
>You types of people are notorious for entering into communities and hobbies uninvited, then kicking out the original people who enjoyed them for not being morally righteous enough.
I've already addressed purity testing. It's irrelevant to the average progressive, and also, "not being morally righteous enough" usually means being exclusionary towards specific minority groups, like what happened to Arch Warhammer with Games Workshop.
Look up "Paradox of Tolerance", it's categorically different, unless the intolerance is overblown e.g. with what happened with the Harry Potter game.
>being an OTAKU for specialized content like vtubers and anime means you have to be somewhat exclusionary
No, not really. Being an otaku has nothing to do with having bigoted beliefs.
>otherwise vtubing would just be another word for flesh streaming.
That doesn't follow.
> I do not care If you want to be on obnoxious tranny in the communities that tolerate it, just keep it there.
I agree that people shouldn't be obnoxious, but let's say a transwoman superchatter asks what a vtuber thinks about trannies, if I had to choose between her saying "transwomen are fine" or "trannies aren't real women", I'd easily pick the former one.
You don't have to agree with whether transwomen are real women to see that one of these is by definition antagonistic, and the other one is at worst, slightly cringe.

>>102424811
It doesn't really matter whether you think being a progressive is good or bad for the country, the topic of the discussion is the vibes of a vtuber.
I am not here to change people's minds on politics, that's not likely to happen, anyway.

>>102425039
Who said that I like either side retard

>>102425067
The correct option is to ignore or ban anon

>>102425067
>I've already addressed purity testing. It's irrelevant to the average progressive
No idea how you can say this when lefties are the biggest purity testers out there, the range of political thought being so much less varied on the left than it is on the right proves this.
>No, not really. Being an otaku has nothing to do with having bigoted beliefs.
In the context of wanting to preserve the culture and purity of a hobby like anime, vtubing, Idols, video games, whatever otaku hobby, you must be exclusionary to people who do not respect them or understand them. Even If I am bigoted, I could talk to some commie LGBTQ retard at a con and If we both play by the rules of keeping the hobby pure we would get along just fine. This is not bigoted behavior.
>I agree that people shouldn't be obnoxious, but let's say a transwoman superchatter asks what a vtuber thinks about trannies
I refuse to accept your false dichotomy and rather say they should be completely ignored or banned outright

>>102425186
Do you understand that your "hobbies" are businesses and the culture is dictated by the people who run these businesses and not you the fan?

>>102425210
Do you not realize businesses are largely driven by the demands of fans?

>>102425228
Yeah
Let's say you like a thing
But a group of people you don't like also like the thing
And you want to keep them out
But you can't, because the businesses who make the thing will simply appeal to anyone who likes it, because they don't share your prejudices

>>102425210
>Starwar
>Comic
>Doctor who
>Dead ips
That work so well didn't it? Business may help grow things but hobby is nothing without fans

>>102423236
HE DID THE THING!!!!!

>>102425264
in english please

>>102425250
What if this group of people don't actually like the thing as much as the original members, and is just a fad for the group? What happens when the group drops the old thing for the new thing, and the business who changed their product to appeal broadly to everyone is know so bland and unrecognizable that even the original fans don't like it?

>>102425250
>But you can't, because the businesses who make the thing will simply appeal to anyone who likes it, because they want money
Fixed.

>>102425287
>What if this group of people don't actually like the thing as much as the original members, and is just a fad for the group?
Doesn't matter, if there's a dollar to be made there's a dollar to be made, businesses don't perform a purity test on their customers

>>102425287
They create new thing to milk money from people.

>>102425300
It does matter, the fuck are you talking about. If what you were saying was true then niche products wouldn't exist, everything would just be made as bland as possible for the highest potential gain. A long term business of selling a niche product to dedicated fans can make more money than a short fad that dies in popularity as soon as people move on to the next thing. See visual novel companies who specialize in guro h-games or some shit.
>They create new thing to milk money from people.
Are we even arguing about otaku culture or consumerism now

>>102425363
>If what you were saying was true then niche products wouldn't exist, everything would just be made as bland as possible for the highest potential gain
Clearly you don't understand business very well, because bland products doesn't mean the highest potential gain, every business finds their niche
NTA that made that post but otaku culture is consumerism. It's not a real culture, or a community, it's just product consumption, you're never going to be able to gatekeep product consumption

>>102425186
>No idea how you can say this when lefties are the biggest purity testers out there
My point isn't that progressives can't be toxic.
My point is that it's almost impossible to be right-wing, slip up but still have good vibes. If you're left-wing and slip up and say something political, there's a lot you can say without antagonizing a specific group of people.
The fact that toxic progressives exist has no relation to my argument.
>In the context of wanting to preserve the culture and purity of a hobby like anime, vtubing, Idols, video games, whatever otaku hobby, you must be exclusionary to people who do not respect them or understand them.
I don't know what this has to do with politics.
>I refuse to accept your false dichotomy
That's too bad, because here in reality, vtubers are going to have all sorts of reactions that are not at all calculated or prepared like a text response.
If we were talking about vtubers who were acting "perfectly" (perfect in your sense, anyway), we wouldn't have anything to discuss.
>and rather say they should be completely ignored or banned outright
Banned for... asking whether their existence is valid? That's almost as bad as the second option.
I can understand not wanting to be engage with politics bait because it breaks the mood, but this is exactly what I am talking about. Being a minority should not be political or controversial.

>Doki makes a fool of herself.
>Mint and her friends laugh derisively at her.
>Doki tries to save face by stressing the joke
>Mint just calls her an idiot and the other girls mock her some more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmzVFMlfogk&t=842

>>102425398
>Clearly you don't understand business very well, because bland products doesn't mean the highest potential gain, every business finds their niche
don't be a dense fuck, businesses may not purity test customers but they have specific demographics and audiences they cater to. Product consumption does not disqualify something having a culture or community. The fact you are posting on 4chan and don't realize that is pretty retarded. Even If a place like akihabara is based around products like anime or games, they still have a community and culture surrounding them.
>you're never going to be able to gatekeep product consumption
Obviously, but you can gatekeep bad actors or retards out of the community.

>>102425447
How come schizos always post this kind of weird overanalysis of what just turns out to be a few girls joking around? Do you have much social interaction IRL?

>>102425504
>Product consumption does not disqualify something having a culture or community.
It has a culture but it doesn't really have a community. Product consumers have no shared social values. If someone you don't like comes along and also likes the product you like, you can't "keep them out". They will find other people who like the thing aswell who feel the same way they do

>>102425435
>Being a minority should not be political or controversial.
It shouldn’t be, but it is. That isn’t a decision you or I get to make.

>>102425435
>My point is that it's almost impossible to be right-wing, slip up but still have good vibes.
This is retarded, it's completely subjective on whatever the fuck "good vibes" mean to you. A vtuber slipping about supporting laissez faire economics is just as much as a "vibe killer" as saying they are a commie.
>I don't know what this has to do with politics.
read it again because I've already explained it
>That's too bad, because here in reality, vtubers are going to have all sorts of reactions that are not at all calculated or prepared like a text response.
And In reality we can gate keep annoying trannies from asking such retarded questions to the vtuber in the first place
>Banned for... asking whether their existence is valid? That's almost as bad as the second option.
If you need an anime girl to validate your crossdressing you need banned, yes

>>102407610 (OP)
>>Supporting right-wing politics
uh based?

>>102425544
this is just crossing hairs at this point, a community doesn't require shared social values. A community of people can come together to watch anime or go to an idol concert no matter what individual values they hold.

How the fuck did this thread about dunking on OP for being a shitty backseater turn into left/right political tribalfagging?

>>102425435
For off topic you disingenuous ass anyone who brings off topic shits should be ignore or ban

>>102425586
when OP tried to single out rightoid pandering as bad but leftoid pandering as le good

>Banned for... asking whether their existence is valid?
Banning would be foolish because that’s taking the bait, but a loaded question like that asked for no reason should absolutely be ignored unless the streamer is already talking about the subject.

>>102425592
Learn English + I am behind 8 proxies.

>>102425584
>a community doesn't require shared social values
It does, that's basically what a community is. If a bunch of people just come together with nothing in common it's not a community. You're talking about values, you're talking about keeping things pure, but when you're merely a consumer you have no sway over this at all. You can't stop other impure people from enjoying the thing, and you can't stop businesses appealing to those people

>>102425610
>but a loaded question like that asked for no reason
There are plenty of reasons to ask this "loaded question", for example, half the country denying your existence.
Since we go to vtubers for comfort, finding out that a vtuber is a transphobe will illicit much more emotional reactions thatn finding out that a vtuber thinks transwomen exist.

>>102425619
Fine bro, you shouldn't try to keep your hobbies contained to the people who respect them because it's impossible to stop normies from destroying them in the first place as everything is simply a product that can't be protected. Idk what you want to say to this argument other than you're just being an annoying doomer

>>102425657
why should a single troons emotional reaction towards an anime girl validating their existence be more valued than the other people in the stream who simply don't wanna hear about that shit in their vtuber stream

>>102425586
When OP try to tribalfagging wizard game

>>102425708
It's Main character syndrome everything has to be about them anon

>>102425683
I think your attitude towards your hobbies being "destroyed" is childish. You are a consumer. You don't make the thing, so you can't protect the thing. If you care about it so much you could be a producer instead of a consumer, and if you were you'd discover that nothing is ever really destroyed by some external group of lefties who don't really like the thing tearing it down by force

>>102425708
Because they are selfish assholes anon

>>102425763
Saying fans are “childish” for caring about their hobbies is missing the point. You don’t have to be a creator to care when something you love gets changed or wrecked. Fandoms aren’t built by companies, they are built by the fucking fans. Outside groups can absolutely ruin a fandom or hobby by forcing unwanted changes or turning the community toxic, are you seriously trying to say this is some sort of myth?

>>102425763
>Nothing gets destroy
>Western Dead ips
Dose any of that look fine to you anon?

>>102425822
I'm saying that the fandom and the community is generally pretty seperate from the product itself and having people you dont like in the community rarely has an effect on the product itself

I can't wait until AI puts the ewhore version of vtuber into the dirt

>>102425842
in english please

>>102425584
oooh it’s all falling into place now. You got kicked from “your” community because you didn’t pass the vibe check. Thought a shared interest was enough for them to tolerate your chud self, huh?

>>102425708
No one should be forced to hear about anyone's suffering in a vtubing stream, but if the superchat was about being bullied for being a short person, you'd be whistling a different tune.

But anyway, this is getting away from the point.
We can agree that trauma dumps and politics don't belong in a vtubing stream, but vtubers will always slip up to reveal their "true" character, and I'd much prefer them to be progressive slip ups, since conservative slip ups are definitionally exclusionary (unless maybe if it's about guns)
Let's say a vtuber accidentally spills that she doesn't believe transpeople are valid. That's definitionally antagonistic as opposed to "I believe transpeople are valid"

sounds based, who is this vtuber that pisses off retards like op?

>>102425861
>I'm saying that the fandom and the community is generally pretty seperate from the product itself and having people you dont like in the community rarely has an effect on the product itself
How does this make any sense. If a large group of outsiders come in and start pissing on everything they don't like, and the business sees that and makes changes, that directly effects the product. If you're trying to say that this actually doesn't happen then I just can't agree with you
>>102425901
whaet

>>102425953
give me an example

>>102425949
Probably you since you’re so offended

>>102425919
>but if the superchat was about being bullied for being a short person, you'd be whistling a different tune.
No? You shouldn't send supas about being bullied to anime girls unless its in a very specific context.
>nd I'd much prefer them to be progressive slip ups, since conservative slip ups are definitionally exclusionary
Considering how many bigoted and vile opinions progressive women hold I doubt that it would that much worse than the conservative

>>102425657
>half the country denying your existence.
Has nothing to do with the streamer. You watch them because you like their content, if you need to make sure they hold certain values first as a prerequisite, that’s a personal issue.

>>102425970
star trek discovery

>>102425970
Starwar, doctor who, western AAA game, western comic

>>102426042
I appreciate the back up ESL-sama but can you stop with the grammar mistakes

>>102426014
I don't know anything about Star Trek, but it's a TV show, I doubt anything about it's production was directly specifically at any online community of fans, if it's a woke reimagining it's just following the general trend of making things woke

>>102407610 (OP)
Nothing special:

- IRL topics yapping
- Face posting
- Con going
- Vagueposting

>>102426042
>Starwar
Ruined completely by the people making it, nothing to do with the fans, just a creatively bankrupt franchise
>doctor who
Don't watch
>western AAA games
Following market trends
>western comics
Honestly these were always shit

>>102426064
Star Trek was THE woke scifi since the beginning you casual

>>102426105
Read the first seven words of the post

>>102426064
the hardcore community of trek fans were ignored in favour of fat normalfags who like sitting in front of their tv while space ships blow up. It's the opposite of everything that made the original community like trek to begin with. It became "woke" later on after this with shit like Star Trek Picard. I put woke in quotes because Trek was always pretty foward thinking and liberal

>>102426097
You can't ask for an example then just disregard it when you aren't familiar with the material, retard

>>102426116
>the hardcore community of trek fans were ignored in favour of fat normalfags who like sitting in front of their tv while space ships blow up.
That's a decision that has nothing to do with any sort of fandom
My mom flipping through Netflix and deciding to watch Star Trek is not a fake fan and you cannot gatekeep her out of the community to keep the franchise pure, she's never even talked to anyone on the internet
This is what I mean, these are consumer products made for everyone, the fandom means little

>>102426151
Oh what do you expect me to do make shit up? Are you retarded?
Also to elaborate on western games, the people IN the game industry are woke, not the fans, the fans generally don't like woke shit and woke shit doesn't even sell well, it's the people in the industry responsible for this and not the fans

>>102426087
I'm just curious but what makes people hate chuubas going to cons? I get it's less streams but are there some other reasons

>>102426168
nothing stays pure forever, but your solution is just to not even try at all and let things you enjoy get turned to shit because it will eventually happen either way

>>102426199
immersion break + attention whoring + off pako

>>102426206
Solution? Where did I propose a solution? Star Trek is literally just a TV show that anyone can watch, 99% of people watching it are not part of any community or fandom, you have no control, it's just ludicrous to think that way

>>102426233
k, don't complain when vtubing becomes something barely recognizable and you start seeing flesh more than the actual model

>>102426295
You think you bullying other fans is gonna achieve anything at all? It's not, it's just pathetic
Vtubing isn't some big community where everyone does the same thing, some vtubers do that already, there's always going to be vtubers that cater towards you particular interests

>>102426199
I don’t really care but
Cons = no streams usually
People that don’t like that

>>102424909
Left wingers generally dont care about hobbies. What they do is hijacking popular things to push their agenda. And then when they're done with it and the franchise dies, they just move onto the next one. Name some of the things that the so called "right wing" crowd ruined like that.

>>102426233
>>102425763
>>102425544
>no such thing as a community in fandoms
>You don't make the thing, so you can't protect the thing.
bro really watched youtube essays all his life and thinks hes smart

Vtuber fans in large read chats, tweet memes, the vtubers they watch retweets memes and engages with chat, etc.

So... part of consumption is consuming community "content" get it? By engaging in the community you are part of the product. Maybe some fans (ignoring lurkers who don't pay for anything) don't care about the community part of vtubing, but a lot do.
So you can gatekeeping a large group of people simply by making the community hostile to their sense of value or vibes. maybe you can't forever gatekeep and things change but thats everything in life

When did this whole "vibe" thing started anyways? Everything is something-vibe. I don't remember people using this word back in 2004.
Actually I don't think I really saw it used that heavily even 5 years ago

>>102427700
hippies were using it as far back as the 60's my dude

>>102427782
Yeah, people said it in the '90s too. It's obviously not what he's talking about, as in, the blatant trend over the past few years.
Hippies saying is very different from this detached, online, and cynical cycle.

>>102422167
Name your funny streamer of choice.

>>102423912
I don't care if you're trolling or not, but your post is true. People here are either too terminally online or hang around the same boomer circles to understand that empathy and inclusion are desirable traits. Twitter is not representative of the average joe's opinion.

>>102407997
Right wingers are no better than troons. Same shit, really.

>>102427337
>What they do is hijacking popular things to push their agenda.
Wow! Just like right wingers do with memes, anime and games.

>>102429126
>Meme
>Game
Bullshit left can't meme and woke shits is everywhere

>>102429187
Right can't meme either. Both sides are propaganda obsessed freaks who can barely function as humans anymore, outside of flinging shit at each other.

>>102407663
The only time I ever back seated was after watching this one retard spend 45 minutes jumping into a Dark Energy singularly in Half Life 2 Episode 1 thinking the next time she'd get it. What a waste of time.

>>102407610 (OP)
>Pressing politics in a smug or grandstanding way
this probably the worst offence

>>102429220
I would believe you if not for
>Redditards defacing the memes trying to own the right

>>102429300
And Stonetoss or sharty brainrot are excellent examples of how good right wing can meme?
I have seen some very rare, funny memes from both sides. But right won't accept the good left ones, because it makes them seethe too much. Same for the left.

>>102429126
Most of the funniest memes in internets history came from normal dudes that are now called "alt right" by your faggy overly sensitive kind.
If you want to see left wing memes go check out the home page of imgur. Every other thing posted is something like
>That OTHER side of the political spectrum is SO DUMB, am I right girls gals and non binary pals?"

>>102429366
Some of the funniest memes are very politically incorrect. And the only political incorrectness that left accepts is
>White people bad! xD
>Christianity bad! xD
>But also, we should respect all those other totes non oppresive religions :3
Kys

>>102429630
Those are just apolitical or centrist at best. I don't care who calls them what, they aren't right wing.
By the way, it's funny, but actual right wingers are as sensitive and fragile as lefties. Especially now.
>>102429675
>politically incorrect
Not "leftie incorrect". PC also implies right wing. Right wingers also have a shit ton of no-no's that they won't accept in their memes.

>>102429366
>Good left one
Where? The ones I saw that can be considered good are stolen from right

>>102429801
Nobody wants to see "right wing's politically incorrect" because it's all just gay faggoty shit

>>102429943
No, it's something that strikes them at their core, and they don't want to accept it. Both sides are full of shit and insecurities, living in their fantasies. They are not healthy, mentally sound people.

>>102407610 (OP)
>Collabing with males, especially Yaoi Faggots like Luca and Axel

>>102430027
>Strike at core
>Faggot commie bullshit
KEK wait you serious Ahahaha

>>102430123
>He memoryholed everything that is not a faggot, commie bullshit strawman
Nice.

>>102430165
>Left meme that ain't faggot and/or commie
What? you mean the stupid wall of text or stolen from right one?

>>102423236
I cannot wait for the day I get to legally kill people like you.

>>102419434
There's a difference between lecturing and banter

>>102407610 (OP)
I don't get streamers who complain about chat, not even just vtubers.
>fuck you for following me, here's a gotcha in front of 2400 people
Okay, then bye bitch lol

>>102423236
>left wing politics suppresses liberties and makes people starve to death while completely ruining economies and countries
>this somehow is less hateful than right wing politics that desire freedom and independence
Lmao.

>>102423236
Excellent bait, beautiful executed

>>102423236
Sir this isn't bizarro vt sir

>>102407610 (OP)
Pretty much all of those, but bringing up boyfriend is only okay if everyone already knows.
>>102407663
It's not based because 99% it happens is because the vtuber is being a dumb bitch that can't do obvious stuff in games. Also they don't even need to read the backseat messages, they just do because they are already mad by their own lack of skills. I don't backseat but the vtuber reaction to backseat messages always reveal their true self

>>102424231
Why would you give someone special money just for being a sexual minority? Orange man did a good thing. You can raise private charietes all you want, but not from taxpayers money. Pay them yourself if you want.

>>102407610 (OP)
>Stupid acts/voices
I'm willing to believe woman have high pitched kiddy voices like Gura and Biboo, it's when the latter starts purposely talking like a baby and her gen mates start that puppy shit that it becomes clear they're more of a company product than a person
>Lesbo shit
Just play the fucking games and be goofy, ain't nobody got time for that forced/fake cringy garbage, only the most pathetic simps detached from reality and repulsive fujo hags who would likely fuck a dog if it looked at her the right way fall for that fake ass shit
>Scolding chat
Unless they're ordering hits on people or posting sketchy links, let the fuckers be, they're grown ass adults watching would-be-camwhores pretend to be anime girls, them being creepy awkward weird little losers should be expected.
>Talking any form of politics
I'm here to be entertained not lectured, I don't care about your beliefs and I definitely don't wanna hear your opinion on things you probably only know the surface level of, doesn't matter if you're talking about a cross, a swastika, or a rainbow flag it's all the same cult bullshit to me, fuck your god, fuck your fuhrer, fuck your pronouns.
>Boyfriend
Again, your job is to play video games and amuse me, unless that dude it pouring a bucket of ice on you completely outta no where for his own shits and giggles, I don't wanna hear about it. I'm not deluded enough to think I'm actually watching an real succubus oppai loli catgirl milf dominatrix, I know you're an actual living human being with an actual life outside the computer, but I do not care about it.
>Relying on backseaters
Maybe actually play the fucking tutorial instead of skipping it for audience engagement.

It would appear that the existence of Kirsche has people genuinely fucking rattled. And that's good.

>>102407610 (OP)
>collabing with males unless it's forced on them through a company shill event or it's just some industry professional like game dev or musician they're interviewing

Basically, if they collab with men "for fun" and no ulterior reason then I'm out.

>>102430653
>being a dumb bitch that can't do obvious stuff in games
You watch vtubers to see how fast they complete games? Go watch a walkthrough, idiot
I watch vtubers because they're cute, not because they're le cool super gamers
You should be banned in every vtuber chat

>>102425284
The SEAnigger has a point. Go woke go broke, niggerfaggot.

>>102407610 (OP)
>supporting right wing politics
one of these things is not like the other, anon. The femcel grifters who practice the rest of your list are all raging libs and you know it