Thread 102442198

>0 public HoloEN streams for the ENTIRE day
We need EN5 now.

>>102442198 (OP)
we actually need EN5 and 6. EN5 alone would out you back at where EN was before all the graduations. Remember EN has kost a gens worth of people at this point, a new gen only gets you back to regular numbers. They need two more gems.

>>102442198 (OP)
Mori was confident that EN5 won't be released until late fall or winter. Cover is actually okay with the current situation and maybe they are worried of triggering another graduation wave in 2026 if they rush out more EN gens. Of course management is constantly delaying the HoloEN model redesigns which is baffling since 2025 might have even worse employee morale than 2022.

>>102442198 (OP)
Nothing for GG to shill today?

>>102442198 (OP)
bro holoen is boring they need more debuts

Just go and watch some 2view twitch shitters, why wait for en5 to finally watch them?

>>102443221
Hololive is already struggling the manage the talents they already have. Adding 10 new talents would make it so much worse, so I can definitely see it taking awhile before we see the next gen release.

>>102442198 (OP)
the weeks and weeks of nearly no streams will all be worth it when you get to pay to watch the 2 hour concert. go find an indie to watch.

>>102443221
she said she didn't know anything, and it makes sense if EN5 is in 3 months...

Altare's playing Deltarune right now. He's certainly not going to win a speed run but he's not getting stuck in the Cuphead tutorial

>>102442198 (OP)
With many of the talents gone, who is going to attract new people for the debuts?
Can complain about Gura overlapping, but she got the numbers up before those debuts.
We may see a huge decline like Nijisanji's debuts. Those were embarrassing.
Cover dug themselves in a hole.

>>102442198 (OP)
Never thought things would somehow be worse than they were in 2022 but here we are

>>102445087
>the weeks and weeks of nearly no streams will all be worth it when you get to pay to watch the 2 hour concert
This but with zero sherd of irony, seeing on the stage beats out having like 4-5 extra stream of Uma/Peak/Elden Ring/whatever FoTM slop is in vogue

>>102445456
Unironically, they need a Fubuki, or possibly a Mint. Obviously not Mint herself, but they need someone with that kind of gravitas, likeability, and stage presence. HoloEN feels extremely unfocused and distant right now and they need someone with enough charisma to rally around.
They could also use a Doki since nobody in EN gives a shit about coming up with interesting group collabs anymore. The closest thing to that is Mori now but she's obviously way too busy to do that kind of shit regularly.

Actually ironically, if Doki starts up more big vtuber events and Holo's actually allowed to participate, it might help bring people together. They need a community to participate in.

>>102445528
>ever thought things would somehow be worse than they were in 2022
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck no lmao
2022 was SO much worse because it was like this year-round, half of the branch was depressed and the other half was just M.I.A
At least you can look this in 2025 and rationalize it knowing they're just busy recording AFO and Justice's 3D debut and that things will go back to normal in about a week or so
2022 was basically an entire year of there being maximum of 2 streams a day

>>102445732
>HoloEN feels extremely unfocused and distant right now and they need someone with enough charisma to rally around.
FWMC were the chosen ones but they split themselves in half by not picking whether they want to be EN or JP

>>102445456
>Can complain about Gura overlapping, but she got the numbers up before those debuts.
Gura "Getting the numbers up" meant fuck and all cuz her viewership is almost entirely insular to herself

>>102445750
>that things will go back to normal in about a week
nope, its likely this will be ongoing at least for another month or two. In the span of the next two months we have:
>Justice 3D debuts
>A4O concert
>Advent Anni Live
>Advent members having lives for their own anniversaries
>Promise 4th Anniversary
>Promise individual lives for their own anniversary
>Myth/EN 5th anniversary
>Myth individual anniversary lives
>Nerissa birthday live
>New Years concert
>filming of any other lives that they are invited to.
EN is basically fucked right now

>>102442198 (OP)
And the new gen won't have 3Ds or concerts or appear in offline events. They won't just overlap their streamingtime with the other Gens like the ones before. They won't travel to JP for weeks and have a messed up schedule.
A new Gen won't fix anything

>towerfags killed global here
>EN killed itself and they are left holding the back now accepting that girls can just leave and be indies paving the way for holoEN to be carved up and irrelevant
Some kind of cosmic (or just comic) justice perhaps

>>102445931
Also autocorrect
>left holding the bag

saba killed EN
it's fucking dead without gura
only nips and SEAmonkeys give a fuck about hololive now

I am fully expecting them to announce EN 5 just to have them all stream at the exact same times as everyone else.

>>102442231
The only value new gens bring in situations like this is they aren't doing any 3D prep work. It wouldn't matter if you have a thousand EN's if the EN work ethic is to not stream while you're doing prep work. JP's don't have this problem because they can work all day and then stream all night.

>>102445895
They need to just be realistic about things and hire people who are in Japan already or who are willing to move to Japan.

>>102446119
>EN5 hits
>None of the expected possibly-good recent grads are in it
>Some rando 1views or some friend of friend amateur voice actress or whatever get in
>They all live in Japan or are gonna move there
>Sponsor streams multiple times a week every week
Yagoo's dream, a I guess. I'm honestly no longer interested in holoEN if it's going to stop feeling like holoEN.

>>102442198 (OP)
What are you a Hololive investor?
Throw more money at them if you want to fucking have more streams dipshit.

>>102446135
JPs also have way more girls, but yeah EN has way too many who straight up dont stream that much. And its crazy they are in this stage when en has already had so many gens.

>>102445802
They chose JP.

>>102446174
Justice was a wet napkin coming in when Advent was still pretty strong feeling in general. It makes sense in context that Cover knew they were about to lose a fucking whole gen worth of girls within 6 months but still Justice being scabs doesn't really sit well with me as they are not remotely the same caliber of the ones they replaced.

>>102442198 (OP)
>saba starts streaming
>all of holoen collectively give up
lol

>>102442198 (OP)
Man i feel bad for Mori, i cant remember which stream it was that she admitted she was working hard to prepare for the concert and then she sneaks a peek at the streaming schedules and she gets anxiety because no on is streaming.
>Its empty, why isn't anyone streaming, ok i have to stream on top of everything then, haha, no probs, haha.
It falls on her i guess because she is now the daisenpai and she seems to be involved in a lot of organizing stuff too.

kneel

>>102446215
At the same time you just gotta blame Cover up to a point man. This people are not amateurs, how do they not find some autistic egirl that loves streaming and is a major weeb.

>>102446287
they take the ones that enjoy streaming and run them into the ground on projects they don't care about and are mediocre at

>>102446148
That's not going to help. There are no streams because they've got the EN talents busy recording/practicing for marketable goods/events.

EN has no streams (again) because Cover replaced the burnt out streamers-made-idols with idol-aspirants who they only allow free time for streaming until their audience is big enough to market merch to.

>>102446287
>Has everyone streaming so they have an internet presence
>Use internet presence to advertise concerts
>Lose the streamers
>Focus on concerts
We're on the downwards part of this spiral.

>>102445802
Oh they picked alright.

>>102443245
kek

>>102446208
>>102446429
they were already japanese idols, it's sad they even gave the en side lip service but every ruffian should have expected it

>>102442198 (OP)
You will have no streams and you will be happy. Don't forget to support our new concert soon!

>>102445732
Spot on Anon.. Biboo does the long streams, all the girls do the "hehe im gay xd!" clip baiting, but they need a leader who is like a fbk...

Hard to find, most people are lazy. Maybe the new insane standards will help.

>>102446038
>>102446256
chumpedos enjoy your no streams.

>>102446595
she streamed more than all of en combined last week

>>102445895
>>Justice 3D debuts
>>A4O concert
>Advent Anni Live
These already being recorded now
>Advent members having lives for their own anniversaries
You have to choose between a b-day or anniversary, so this is more nebulous than you think
>Promise 4th Anniversary
>Promise individual lives for their own anniversary
All this will probably recorded near FES, and again they might opt just a b-day live instead. It's also a non-issue since 2/3rds of Promise live in japan
>>Myth/EN 5th anniversary
>Myth individual anniversary lives
Non-issue since Mori lives in japan, Ina basically live there considering how long/often she's in Japan, and Kiara can just book a flight
>>Nerissa birthday live
She's probably recording now or she might opt to do an anniversary live instead
>>filming of any other lives that they are invited to.
They usually just batch record these when they're in japan for Fes or CtW/BD/AFO so that's kinda of a non-issue

>>102445156
>she said she didn't know anything
Cover might not have told Myth the exact details but they knew about Council several months before their official announcement. Mori likely has some idea on which month EN5 will debut and that it won't be soon.

>>102445750
>2022 was SO much worse because it was like this year-round, half of the branch was depressed and the other half was just M.I.A
After Sana left they were horribly depressed for the second half of 2022 but the summer of 2025 might actually be worse in terms of overall mood. There is a lot of talents saying they love Hololive but it sounds extremely fake. There is a good chance that management will mess up and cause even more graduations since there are several talents who are already in the mindset of wanting to leave.

>>102446174
>JPs also have way more girls
This cope has never made any sense. If all the heavy hitters are offline, people don't just turn up for Roboco. If you specifically picked the most relevant JP numbers and limited them to the same amount of EN's, this problem wouldn't exist on the JP side. You can even cut it down further than that. JP has its EN equivalents in terms of streaming frequency like Suisei or Marine and for many of their fans, they get complained about just as much as you complain about EN. It's just that the average JP works for a living and the average EN does not. JP's can even have burnouts and vacations but they don't all have them at the same time.

Sundays are rest days.
Go to church. Read a book. Study, or listen to music.

The anime streamers will be back soon enough in the morning.

>>102446038
>>102446256
>saba killed EN
>it's fucking dead without gura
Ironically no, she probably did the LEAST damage out of recent graduation considering she basically made herself irreverent by fucking off most of her career
Spending most of 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025 up till her graduation being gone unironically made the entire branch acclimated to life without her.
I'd honestly argue either Ame or Fauna leaving did more damage but explaining my reasoning would make this post run on for far longer than I feel like

>>102446714
>since there are several talents who are already in the mindset of wanting to leave.
Name one. And try to go for one that isn't just always bitching about Hololive and has been since day one like Kiara.

>>102446860
A non-retarded post in this sea of retardation.

>>102445616
>4-5

>>102446868
Mumei caused the most damage because she was loved by some Holomems and part of a functional unit which none of the other EN graduates can claim.

>>102446868
the point is she's why any of the holoen girls even got a modicum of attention, and since she's gone she took 2/3rds of the fanbase with her, if they enabled her to do what she's doing now under hololive, hololive en would be thriving.

>>102446903
how many holoen streams did you watch last week?

>>102442198 (OP)
leader is streaming right now if you want some HoloEN streams happening right now.

>>102445301
Just realized altare has been in hololstars for 3 years. Where does the time go and why did it feel like they lose all momentum about 4 months in.

>>102445301
holostars isn't holoen faggot

>>102446622
>we're in the "Saba streams more than anyone in holoen" timeline now
What a world

>>102446868
Fauna going on vacation and not streaming because of her cat being sick was part of why 2022 was so awful for streams. There were several months where she was the only active HoloEN who streamed during US primetime.

>>102447056
nimi and dooby were streaming more too even while doing their whole concert thing, holoen is floundering and I know for a fact what they're going to put out from it, as the girls routinely post about how exhausted they are on x, isn't going to be worth shit

>>102442198 (OP)
You cucks have been crying about a lack of streams for years. Two new gens couldn't save that dead branch. Give up.

>>102447362
The irony is the people who quit never streamed so it's not like the streaming frequency was made worse by their "loss".

Man... I wish Bae was more consistent with her streams.

>>102447056
>>we're in the "Saba streams more than anyone in holoen" timeline now
No we aren't man, cut the shit lol

>>102447417
The entire branch doesn't stream. The loss of the whole branch would have no effect on streaming frequency.

>>102447026
Probably because they fall off the earth and stop streaming for some reason or another, but also because they think people wanna watch them be zoomie soft boys when people want something more hardcore

>>102442231
Fpbp

this retard killed hololive everywhere except the 3rd world stone cold fucking dead because she refused to learn a non-american language now thank her and admit your total defeat

>>102446868
Losing Gura hurt the brand itself since she was the face of it, but losing Fauna likely hurt the most for viewership, and maybe Mumei too. Her random karaokes always had people flooding in no matter the crazy hours she picked.
Ame.. eh. She's kinda like Gura as far as not streaming goes, but she's the only one who ever bothered to make anything branchwide.

>>102447575
There's a 10k stream from Holo on right now.

>>102442198 (OP)
Adding more people won’t solve the core problem of why the girls can’t stream. Losing Gura and friends really shows that either they can’t or don’t want to fix it, or they don’t even realize there’s a problem in the first place.

>>102447604
I don't speak the language of a defeated nation

>>102447655
Ina is also speaking english though.

>>102447604
>13k
But this brown boy keeps repeating Saba killed HoloEN...
Something doesn't add up almost like he's seething.

>>102447518
Yeah now that I think of it it's weird how these guys debut and stream consistently for about 3 months (feels like it applies to holoen too) and then outside that horizon they started taking long breaks or "breaks" in the case of vesper. And vesper graduated 2 years ago.

>>102447604
ina and flare are literally speaking in gook but because you don't understand english properly i can see why you think this is a big win for EN you dull little SEAmonkey

>>102447740
>they actually stream
I thought JP break would kill Biboo

>>102446926
Also because mumei throat hort and not redebuting made people blame holo managers for ruining her.

>>102447769
They are speaking both Japanese and English. You should watch streams instead of embarrassing yourself on 4chan, oh right no streams to watch.

>>102447487
I coulda sworn that saba did multiple nightreign collabs, unless I timelooped the last 35 hours.

LMFAOOOOOOOOO only for monkeys now

>>102446857
>This cope has never made any sense. If all the heavy hitters are offline, people don't just turn up for Roboco.
That's because they don't all funnel into one channel but instead distribute themselves across 15-25-man overlaps during JST prime time
For example, Miko was on vacation for about 2 weeks while Marine had taken time off while cause she was sick, (unless you oshi them) I bet you didn't even notice they were gone, why? Cause there's like 15 other JPs who'll cover for them when they're gone
In contrast if Biboo and Mori take a day-off on the same day, you'll immediately notice the void in stream hours that they normally occupy because there's only about 2-3 ENs who regularly stream in their place
EN just doesn't have the luxury JP does where multiple people not streaming doesn't disrupt the daily streaming output

How many mane-chans have been grooming and fucking behind the scenes? Auctioning off that mizuage for millions?

>>102447854
>FlareIna
This sounds kino.

prease prease frano-san
BICTORY
OOK OOOOK OKKY

>>102447740
someone needs to crack a whip on all the lazy whores outside of the top 3

>>102447754
They've really got to get rid of the concept of suspensions. They think they're punishing the talents but they're sinking the whole company with that noise cause the Algo doesn't know what the fuck you're doing and just says okay they're not streaming fuck Cover Corp then.
It feels like they're trying to launch things from a solid platform but like this anon said to me earlier
>>102447051
so they all have to be treated as separate instances instead of a whole, but if one talent "dies" or "gets disciplined" you're fucking the whole team regardless of what you're doing.

>>102447833
She did two nightslop collab, 1 with POV and the other without POV

>>102447931
They are showing figures, it's pretty comfy.

ah yess velly intellesty ina-kampai

>>102447518
Vesper was the only good stars

>>102442198 (OP)
What part of "COVER IS REFOCUSING ON MERCH AND CONCERT SALES" do you not understand? Fun streams are yesterday's news at Cover HQ. A-chan explicitly said that this shift in focus is why she left.

>>102448160
>A-chan explicitly said that this shift in focus is why she left.
Link her saying

>>102446392
This guy gets it.

>>102447740
>The absolute state of Rissa
I could have sworn ERB would be lowest. Wild.

>>102448245
ERB streams but it's all unarchived.
She's here to sing, and not much else, but she's damn good at her niche. The only karaokes I bother to listen to after Mumei left

hololive is boring better if they terminated all the bitches

>>102443221
Retard, she's lying because she doesn't want to spoil the surprise announcement at the end of the concert.

>>102442198 (OP)
>We need EN5 now.
Suicide move. The'll flop harder than Justice.

>>102447740
my ass would be grass if i only worked 300 hours from january to june. that's 12 hours a week. less than 2 hours a day.

What?

>>102448378
plenty of work done off screen, you absolute mongoloid

>>102448245
Neither of them stream that much but I think Nerissa dislikes streaming more. I feel like she has mostly given up on streaming and is going in on music now.

>>102448394
They announced it a month ago; it's a figure of Marin wearing Marine clothes and vice versa. The season 2 of that shit is really popular in japan right now, so it's also pretty good timing on their part.

>>102446392
>>>>>Lose the streamers
Which is hilarious to say considering the majority of people we lost on average streamed 300> hours a year 100> times a year lol

>>102447518
HÆ, wuffians?!

>>102447740
Nimi streamed 232 hours in comparison.

BLACKLIVE IS DEATH GLORY TO THE INDIESSSSS

>>102448665
Curious. Do you have Doki and Mint's? They've been pretty busy this year so it might be around that range

>>102448665
So most of them still stream more?
Why does this thread even exists?

>>102448665
and that's with multiple breaks

>>102448768
To seethe about Hololive because their favorite leaving didn't kill the whole corpo.

>>102448746
Doki: 385
Mint: 1086

>>102448394
we're looking for actual fun things to watch. this is just more shilling.

>>102448406
They're streamers. Their job is to STREAM. Why do we give them money if they won't do their jobs?

>>102449441 (me)
Just remembered that Mint does 24/7 VOD relays when she goes to Japan, so removing those from the count
Mint: 566

Holo been getting diminishing returns with each new Gen. Since 2023 only Raden and Fuwamoco reached 1M subs everyone else, especially Flow Glow and Justice not even close. Eventually they'll have more members below 1M than members above 1M. And as more OG members graduate, there'll be more Big Indie members than Big Holo members.

They need at least 2 more European Holo EN members that way Raora isn't the only EN member streaming at 5-8AM, and you can have more EN presence in that time frame.

>>102444694
My 2view twitch vtuber streams 7 days a week. That's way more than the lazy boys and girls.
And he doesn't fucking play horse pussy shit.

>>102449526
oh interesting. If you add in Doki's twitch hours (91. Doki never simulcasts), then Doki would be at 476.
Considering how much behind the scenes shit they've been doing, it's incredible.

>>102449521
Please understand.
They need to do office work, do their summer contract negotiations, do idolshit, prepare for fes/expo events that literally no one but the JP audience wants.
Summer is the worst time to be a holo fan.

>>102448746
She streamed 22 hours just this week, lol. Show me who's getting close to that that's not biboo.

>>102450256
>this week
I like how you narrowed it down this week cuz the year total won't be in her favor lol

>>102449521
based

>>102449521
actually they're merchants now. wanna buy a keychain?

This is the conciquence of EN getting a whole concert for their branch every year. It eats up 2 and a half months for anyone outside of Japan for FES and the US concert. It just feels twice as rough because there's half as many talents in EN as there is JP, so when a lot of them are off and doing things in Japan, it means a huge downturn in streams.

>>102448406
You're right, which is why you'd often see shit numbers from some of the talents who want to treat it more like a 9-5 and only work 40-50 hours a week. Guess what's getting cut if Jap-san decides he wants you to show up to the meeting about some shit merch at 5am your time

>>102450459
>>102449740
Anon, it's still significantly higher than #2. What point were you trying to make here?

>>102448535
I don't think he meant specifically the people that quit, but the general downturn in stream time for EN overall. I should go make list of hours streamed for everyone every year in EN and see the average hours per talent trend over the last 5 years.

>>102450763
>Anon, it's still significantly higher than #2.
You realize that this >>102447740 chart stops in June, while I assume anon >>102449740 is including streams she's done up till the current day, correct?
It's probably way closer than you think

>>102442198 (OP)
>sister doesn't understand quality over quantity
funny that you're black corpo's streams aren't engaging enough to stop you from seething at holo all day

>>102450932
Ah, you're right. She was pretty inactive in June due tot he concert prep so it was probably closer, but the twitch hours would then just be 84, which probably bumps it up quite a bit.

Either way, I don't even know why I'm trying to debate stream hours like it's some kind of race. I was just curious and expected it to be far lower due to all of their breaks this year.

It’s pretty clear that EN is seriously understaffed. They just don’t have enough people to keep up with content creation during busy periods. But the part no one really wants to talk about is that it all comes down to low profits and high running costs.
We already saw what was supposed to be their biggest merch drop end up with pretty average numbers. That alone shows revenue per member probably isn’t great. And when you add in the costs of full 3D production, flights, and hotel stays for every member, it’s obvious the business side just isn’t working that well.
Now they’re stuck with three options.
First, keep things the way they are and let the whole scene slowly burn out. Without more money coming in, it’s only a matter of time.
Second, try to expand and hope for the best, which is super risky and might not work out.
Third, expand but cut back on perks, like only giving 3D to people who actually perform. That could save money, but it might kill morale across the board.
None of these paths are great, but honestly, they don’t really have many other choices at this point.

>>102449521
TRVTHNVKE

>>102450812
>but the general downturn in stream time for EN overall.
I mean that's just not true? The existence of Advent and Justice alone have basically doubled the amount of hours streamed from EN as a whole, in fact I'd wager that period of time after Justice's debut was probably the largest surge in hours ever seen from EN
>I should go make list of hours streamed for everyone every year in EN and see the average hours per talent trend over the last 5 years.
>I should go make list of hours streamed for everyone every year in EN and see the average hours per talent trend over the last 5 years.
If had to guess I imagine it'd probably look like: 2020>2022>2021>2023>2024>2025

>>102451208
2022 was fucking terrible and filled with 'WHERE ARE THE STREAMS'

>>102442198 (OP)
Even though they've lost a whole Gen's worth of talent, I'm honestly content where we are for now. I'm really not interested in more, and Justice was kind of a flop for me, I actually feel like Cover mishandled their debut.

lmfao you fucking monkeys are still pretending a single american still gives a fuck about hololive after saba killed it BEGONE THIRD WORLD TRASH

>>102448448
This tweet is what people used to tell me about Gura
>She may not be streaming but look all these merch projects she is in, you should be happy!! BE HAPPY
Thank God this shit is over

>>102451422
>BEGONE THIRD WORLD TRASH
Saba's biggest fans are all zoomers from the 3rd world retardbro

>>102451113
>We already saw what was supposed to be their biggest merch drop end up with pretty average numbers. That alone shows revenue per member probably isn’t great. And when you add in the costs of full 3D production, flights, and hotel stays for every member, it’s obvious the business side just isn’t working that well.
Anon they're making FUCKING BANK off that the TGC, to the point where it's pulling more money merch
You're correct in that EN is understaffed by that's mostly an issue of Cover's scouting taking AGES to recruit new blood, and hoping that new members help grow EN's popularity rather than cannibalizing the existing viewership

>>102451615
And that is just the JP side. Saba, even at her absolute peak, moved under 5000 units of merch. That is second army level at best. And we are talking about the supposed granddaddy of EN VTubing here.
Unfortunately, viewership does need to be cannibalized. EN has coasted for far too long on the idea that people watch them simply because there is no alternative. That mindset has led to stagnant stream quality and a consistently poor work ethic across the board.

>>102443221
>model redesigns
You ain't slick outfitschizo

>>102447773
Biboo actually tries

Why would you even want a new gen after garbage like Justice? If they're willing to hire a literal nijisister like GG then it's pretty fucking grim right now for talent scouting.

>>102452088
I know I don't want a new gen of anything. Justice and ARMIS made me realize that I want a streamer who is a normal individual, has a schedule, sticks to the schedule, and play games that I like.

>>102448768
>>102448855
I don't give a fuck about Nimi since I don't watch her (and none of the ex-Holos streamed today either). HoloEN needs EN 5 if it doesn't want to die from lack of streams, fuck off with your irrelevant boogeymen.
This thread is here because we have 15 girls but no streams. Ina eventually popped up with a 1 hour half EN/half JP shill stream but come on.

>>102452229
Hey, what kinda games do you like?

>>102445732
It's obviously been mori already for very long time.

>>102452560
Like I said, she unfortunately is handling so many jobs she can't really be that for the branch.

>>102452560
yagoo himself said mori and fubuki have ceo material

Mori soft confirmed new gen late September

>>102442231
Yup. They could get away with just one new gen if it was just Ame and Fauna graduating. But Gura leaving they need a whole other gen to fill those shoes.

>>102442231
Gura = One whole gen by herself.

>>102448272
I tuned in for her first karaoke and I saw her tryharding and just noped out of it and didn't look back. Karaoke is supposed to be fun and soulful.

>>102445732
>they need someone with enough charisma to rally around.
Bae

>>102452998
Cave Kronii will save Hololive

>>102452998
She is responsible and hardworking but sadly has weak leadership.

>>102445732
Dokifags are insufferable.

>>102446135
JPs need to sleep, too.

>>102452998
>>102453368
>Sana Fauna Mumei
She's objectively a failure as a leader

>>102452547
At this point anything that isn't FOTM. Umamisune is probably the lowest point holo has been.

>>102443221
It's pretty obvious. There's usually a 3-4 month period between graduations and resurfacing as a holo and they'll have Nyana Banyana and Kitanya in EN5 so it all lines up.

>>102445732
>playing fps shit with guys all the time = interesting
ok dokibro

>>102442198 (OP)
buy membership or watch VODs you beggar

>>102442231
YAGOO don't listen to this. Don't Nijisanji anymore. 1 gen. 1 gen only I beg, fuck the investors, fuck the profit margin, DON'T accelerate debuts! Work with 5 new women, help them grow, don't go nuts like you did around Gen 5's debut.

>>102455961
You say that but stream times go to absolute shit any time a majority of the talents have to fly to Japan. If therr were more EN talents, it's likely that it'd stop being forced events for people that don't want to do things like AFO because it would get too big as a side concert.

>>102446583
Kinda fucked up that talents who very clearly favor JP are allowed to enter as EN. At least with people like Bae you can tell they are EN at heart and care for their generation.
What just bothers me more is that FWMC is generally so distant towards EN members to the point where it feels like they're anti-social and shy around others. The few times they do get into an offline collab or a 3D event they always feel odd to have around.

>>102456035
The issue is that even though people like Bae and Irys do things with JP and speak Japanese on stream sometimes, they still do a lot with other EN talents. Outside of Advent as a whole group (which management is pushing HARD), FWMC spend far more time doing stuff with the JP side while basically ignoring most of EN.

And let's not forget that they are idilshitters which means their stream activity is in the gutter and it gets worse when expo and fes are happening

>>102446860
>Go to church.
If you go to this board, you don't go to Church.

>>102449701
Raora is slowly abandoning that stream time

>>102456234
We need more morning and mid afternoon streamers

>>102455653
You know this isn't the first time Umamusume is the FOTM game right? During the JP release HoloJP were playing it and it was plenty fun. Maybe it's a skill issue on your part

>>102456279
We don't even have enough streamers for the US evenings/nights. Europoors failed Justice. It's stupid to keep giving them new streamers.

>>102456653
>Europoors failed Justice
Raora streamed at 3/4 pm CEST, Gigi streams at 11 pm CEST and Erb doesn’t stream at all. The only Justice member that streams at decent times for EU is Cecilia and she’s doing fine in everything except subs

>>102446216
saba + nimi + doob are all proving it's just not worth it being in holoEN anymore. what do they get out of it?

Here. Cover, please copy my work.

>>102457162
btw, this grueling schedule only requires each girl to stream once a week.

Im losing interest in EN, maybe in vtubers in general. Currently holding on to Biboo but im close to giving up even on her. All it takes is one horse gacha stream and im done, i need streams asap or the whole branchs existence is a hoax.
Cover needs to release a new gen every fucking year to make up for the japan arc autism. Im not here for the concerts, im here for the vtubers. The concerts are a nice addition but without streams im starting care less and less for concerts.

>>102452088
You're seething about Justice in this thread about streaming effort while Raora and Gigi are among the most consistent and hardworking members right now in EN, you're literal schizo

>>102457615
You should just give up now. The market has gone the way of LPers in the mid 2010s and is oversaturated now. It's looking to get worse before it gets better. You can only hope when the bubble bursts, you'll be left with at least some that are worth watching and still give a shit.

>>102457615
It's probably for the best. I enjoyed it while it lasted, but how much of your life do you really want to waste watching vtubers? There are other things to do.

>>102457162
this is like telling doordash people "you must deliver taco bell on friday night"
the whole point is you decide when you feel like doing it
they arent employees they are independent contract workers

>>102458189
That's not the whole point. It doesn't have to be that way. It has been that way, but it's hurting the company and not working. It's stupid to not make changes.

>>102458158
>There are other things to do
i was never that dramatically invested in the first place, i simply enjoyed watching some whenever i had the chance. of course i have my favorites like Biboo but lately its become more frustrating than enjoyable so yeah..

>>102458323
My only advice to you is to take a long break. Watch other things that aren't vtuber related and other things that interest you. If you have no desire to come back after let's say 2-3 months, then it was time to move on.
I used to watch Mint all the time but I got too attached and wasn't enjoying it anymore. I haven't watched her or any other EN vtuber in 8 months now.
I did try to watch FWMC's MGS streams and they were...not good.

>>102458430 (me)
Actually I did listen to Pat and Woolie the other day when they had Mori on as a guest.
I found myself more interested in those two talking to each other but I found myself actively tuning Mori out or losing interest whenever she talked.
The gap between actual semi-entertainers and a lot of vtubers is massive.

>>102458189
Except you can look at the JP branch and find a decent number of actual streams with idol as their side-gig, which makes schedules look full every week if you're just looking for a cute anime girl streamer from Cover corp. For every Ayame you have a Korone. For every Marine you have a Luna. EN has a chunk of people who don't want to stream but do so knowing it's the only way to keep fans and make money, and there's less of them so it feels more impactful when someone like Kiara or Mori takes a break for a little bit.

>>102455866
>>102453703
Kill yourself nijinigger samefag

>Thread 'speeds up'
Looks like the fag woke up and reset his router again

>>102457615
I took the JP pill years ago and never looked back.
Powerhouses like Miko, Pekora, Korone, Subaru, Fubuki are just so far ahead of anything else it's not even funny.
Then you have the many midcards like Koyori, Kanata, Okayu, Nene and so forth that completely outclass anything EN.
Their aura is so big it makes collabs with the newer gens flow so easy. Like multiple suns and the small planets around them.
EN doesn't have "a sun" to organise different members and it's very chaotic/unwatchable.
No Mori is not good at that either.

>>102456035
They knew that even with their twintuber gimmick (not new btw, it's just that >thing japan won), they'd get folded in JP auditions, where the company has a backlog of people that out-talent them by several tiers

>>102458748
fair view, but i probably just go back to listening to music while im on my pc, i keep lurking a bit to see if someday anything new happens tho

>>102442198 (OP)
Quality over quantity

>>102448272
>but she's damn good at her niche
screaming and yelling at the mic does not make her good, i tried tuning in to one of her karaokes and the way she constantly tries to change the way the song is supposed to go made for a terrible experience. I couldn't even enjoy songs that I liked from her because she kept butchering them with "her own spin"

>>102458748
I get what you're saying. I feel like Gigi is good at suckering people into talking a lot during collabs and generally makes every collab better by being there. You can love or hate her humor, but virtually everyone who's in a collab with her ends up talking more because of her. As for non-collab/solo streams, it's kinda hard to say that there isn't a single talent that can't resonate with someone. There's people from all walks of life with lots of different goals in EN.

>>102458895
Too bad we're getting neither. 1 stream of horseslop was plenty for me.

>>102458954
GIGI IS THE COCO OF HOLOEN
SHES EVEN ASIAN AMERICAN HOLY SHIT

>>102458835
They did get folded, many many times ever by their own admission. They even lost out on the first two application processes for EN. I'll say that they really did probably need some credential befkre getting considered at all and they got that in 2022, so that might also factor into it a bit as to why they got picked up for Advent.

>>102442198 (OP)
whatever.

>>102458980
Japanese is her kryptonite though.

Ever notice how all the worst ENs are asian?

>>102459010
but the best ENs are asian too

>>102456096
Fuwamoco almost completely refuse to do stuff with JP's on stream. All that stuff is happening in real-life. You can take almost any EN including those who don't speak Japanese at all and they will have more full JP collabs on their channel. Fuwamoco's JP streams on their channel are them solo.

>>102459010
>FWMC
>ERB
>Shiori
>Kronii
Seems like a good mix of asian and white.

>>102459109
What world do you live in? They join almost every JP event, big or small.

>be westoid ruffian
>know your oshis adore everything japanese and would give everything to be japanese
>refuse to learn japanese because you’re a lazy retard
>whine about them catering to the fans who actually appreciate them
Only got yourself to blame

>>102459145
Still doesn't excuse their behavior. They should treat their fans equally, but they don't, which is not very idol- like behavior.

>>102459010
I mean its been said over and over again.
Literally the only way to get into holo is be asian.
Preferably SEA, hafu aussie, hafu canadian prude, or hafu korean prude. Hakka is like the exception of exceptions.

>>102442198 (OP)
You retards keep saying this.
>We need EN2 NOW
>We need EN3 NOW
>We Need EN4 NOW
What happens every single time? The girls know they can make money by not streaming, congrats being the retard demographic.

>>102459393
I mean they stream
At like 11 at night

>>102459357
Mori
Fauna
Nerissa
ERB
>>102459393
That's why they need a schedule. There are 15 EN girls. They only have to stream once a week on a schedule to give good coverage every day. No one in management is asking them to do this. It's unlikely anyone is going to quit over being asked to work 3hrs once a week.

No but seriously, why does nobody in EN stream and why does everybody in JP constantly overlap

>>102459789
>Nerissa
Shit I knew I forgot someone for my list.

>>102459803
It's a nunbers thing. 15 talents vs 45. That's a whopping 1/3rd of what JP has on their roster. It also just feels way shittier during times like these, where all the EN are flying to and from Japan to do recordings, that even the generally consistant members start shitting the bed too. You expect it in Feb and early March for FES, but EN also has it a second time in July + August for the EN concert. Add in that any time a girl has to fly to Japan for any random 3d recording they can't couple with the trips for the other events, and you have a bonus couple of times throughout the year where someone just won't be streaming much for a few weeks.

>>102459905
If all the EN girls streamed once a week in US hours there wouldn't be a problem. Surely they can stream once a week on a schedule.

>>102459905
The fact that maybe 1/4 of the year is dedicated to this is kinda retarded

>>102459935
They COULD! But they do not because they don't have to. That's the beauty of making money by just existing in hololive.
>Stream for a bit after debut
>Simps pour thousands of dollars into you even if when you're gone
>Merch sales
>People superchating your waiting room/schedule room
Why WOULD they stream?

>>102459140
Those aren't on their channel.

what's the point of this thread? we already know en5 has been cast and graduated from their former activities

>>102460031
And once your popularity goes down, then redebut. You guys created this cancer. You need to live with it.

>>102460031
It may be wishful thinking that it applies to all fans, but they're pushing me away as a viewer. I now spend less and watch less. Maybe the charts and graphs people can back that up with info on declining views and earnings.

>>102460031
>>102447740
retard

>>102444876
Hire more managers

>>102459945
It's just felt a lot worse for EN as a whole because they now have 2x the time dedicated to these events as a full branch and a majority of them have to spend almost a day travelling one way to even start the process vs just hopping on the train for 20min to a few hours max. Not to mention the fact that Cover is absolutely retarded and still hasn't set up a dedicated set of computers and spaces for overseas talents who are visiting to use when they're in Japan for streaming normally. You still have to request to use the computer/stream room along side JP members who might want to use it for something a little different.

>>102445895
Imagine all the people just wanting vtubers to stream video games instead of all these weird special ebentos

>>102460043
On stream was your argument that I replied to. Their apperances on the JP side are far more numerous than the EN counterpart. They consistantly cancel their EN streams and EN participation for EN events. It will take a hell of a lot from them for me to ever believe this statement they made.

>>102459945
You dumbfucks will never get in, they are using this as an excuse to not stream because they don't want to stream. Nothing is preventing them from streaming. Jesus Christ, make up your minds. Half the time you have dumbasses like this clown >>102460214 blaming it on the fact they have to travel to Japan and don't prep for streaming and the other half of the time you complain that most of them already live in Japan and are perfectly adjusted to working there. JP's don't take months off from streaming to prep for shit, even though they do way more stuff. They rush home after a day of working and tweet, "sorry my work was a little long today, I will start my stream 20 minutes late!"

>>102459945
>1/4
feels more like 1/2 to me at times like this

>>102460084
but what about EN6? one new gen wont cut it

>>102460214
They could buy a good laptop if they don't like being on a shared setup. They make enough.
>>102460453
This. The effort it would take to keep EN alive is not that big. Each of them only has to do 3 hours a week on a schedule. We can't even get that.

>>102459935
US hours basically translates to the dead of night

>>102460453
Call me a clown all you want, I said there were some talents who 100% lean on it as an excuse and some who stream from their hotel room because they want to for their fans, even if it's suboptimal. I will say you're a gigafaggot if you can't understand the difference between streaming at your home setup and streaming from a hotel room or if you're lucky enough that Cover didn't give away the few streaming rooms to random JP talents who asked one at the studio.
>>102460541
Some do and try to do what they can while stuck in Japan.

>>102460562
Doesn't matter. The girls who live in JP do it. And they only have to do it once a week.
>>102460571
Yeah, some definitely try. The burden would be lessened if everyone put in the effort.

I don't get why asking for more gens would fix anything, you get a new gen and they'll have to go to japan over bullshit at the same time as the other previous gens so there'll be no streams like right now

>>102448535
Why is all of EN besides Biboo so lazy compared to JP?

>>102455653
Boy, do I have an oshi recommendation for you, then. Dokibird's a relative normie, plays a variety of games, and is very strict with her streaming hours and schedules that she puts out every week. As a bonus she's said she dislikes the horse game.

>>102460714
Because that's sorted by hours watched you retard. It'd still be a pretty bad chart for EN if it was by hours streamed, but there's quite a few JP at the top of that list that would be middle of the pack at best sorted that way.

>>102442198 (OP)
Nothing will change with a new gen. Concerts have to be recorded every year and will eat weeks/months worth of streams every time.

>>102460772
Based.
But the problem is... she's dokibird

>>102460856
>months of work for a single concert
>taylor swift can do multiple concerts in a week

>>102447518
The guy that would be the center of their brand and actually did more than be a ~uwu~ soft boy got fired (Vesper) within a year so they're pretty much a headless chicken and if no one in the new gen steps up to be a leader and drag them into actually making good content they will probably be closed in the next two years

>>102460772
She also has a horrible model and voice. No.
>>102460856
This. They have enough girls for coverage. They just aren't using them. This is a management issue primarily.

>>102460936
>Horrible Model
>Mogs most of Holo's models
Idk, even Saba shat on Holo Models lol.

>>102460772
She ran a smear campaign against Nijisaniji who are Hololive's trusted allies to try and get people to watch shitty indies and fellow turncoats like Pomu and Kyo.

>>102460657
The thing that happens with at least an annual new gen (for all branches by the way) is the new gen can be the spectators and fan perspective when everyone else is doing some big thing. New gens don't get 3D immediatley and therefore do not have real participation in these events. Justice is only now getting their 3D and Flow Glow still doesn't have theirs.

>>102460921
>Months of work for a single concert
>Unable to do the activities which gets you the most engagement with your fans
>Concert happens for like one hour and its only for a few people who bother to buy into it

Absurd that they didn't give Fauna whatever the fuck she wanted. She was single handedly banishing holonotlive for years.

>>102461041
you can watch Vshojo

>>102460571
They can also stream from each other's houses if they wanted to, they don't do that because it's a cultural thing that for EN's this job is ironic and they don't want to take it seriously around others. JP's have done their solo streams from other JP's houses before (setting aside collabs). In this case they just don't want to. In most cases, they don't even claim the work is why they don't stream, you just use that as a scapegoat because it sounds better than admitting they aren't streaming for you because this is the one time a year they can hang out all together in person and do dumb touristy shit that women love.

>>102461020
Based.

>>102461041
>Unable to
oh they are definitely able they just treat it as a soft vacation to go sight seeing and eat at various restaurants using their viewers money

Cover just doesn't care about streaming. It wasn't that long ago Peko's manager was telling her not to stream if she was feeling overwhelmed by her merchandisable work.
Cover has dug a hole for themselves by overdoing it on idolshit and merch-events. It might be too expensive to set up another 3D studio in the US, but they could at least set up dedicated places for EN talents to live and stream during their regularly scheduled trips to Japan. Of course, this is a company that can no longer even manage work visas for their talents...
Going public might have been financially necessary, but it was still a mistake. They've been on a constant decline since it happened.

>>102461132
Don't forget that they also conveniently get covid afterward

>>102461132
>>102461396
Are you all just realizing that most of this shit is a borderline scam?

>>102461447
scam? superchats aren't a contractual obligation to stream more. it's like throwing money at a homeless man and being surprised he buys drugs instead of bettering himself and society

>>102461447
i cant judge someone too harshly for doing the exact same thing i would do

>>102461389
Cover is a class 7 demonic entity and is ruining the lives of its fans by focusing on merchandise those in the US will soon no longer be able to buy over what they can consume.

>>102461038
so yes by the time the next en gen rolls out they will have to go through the same procedure

>>102461479
No one should be giving superchats to these chubas. They're rich enough as it is.

>>102461038
This always seemed dumb for me, especially for the dancers. Bae is an okay singer for example, but without her 3D model letting her dance she could never show off her actual best traits. Same with ERB and Gigi, as well as Dev_is in general. I had no idea Hajime was such a good dancer for an entire year.

>>102461479
I'm just saying that a lot of these vtubers have shown you who they are. They're not struggling to make ends meet and they're more than financially well off. But a fool and his money are easily parted. So it will never stop. At least until the inevitable bubble burst.

Imagine if hololive got their wish and all the ENs lived in Japan. It's 1am there right now. To stream for EU prime time you'd have to be awake at 4am. Living in a city where only the truly wealthy aren't apartment dwellers

>>102461608
Your rhetoric aside, the current trade situation has made ordering anything from japan a tremendous pain in the ass. They're asking people to pre order high cost merch months in advance and they dont even know what level of outrageous shipping will be.

>>102461833
But didn't you hear? By living in Japan they have a healthier schedule because they can get up at 8 am to start str-
> I have to go into the studio to record so stream will be short/cancelled
> It'll totally be worth it when you get to buy my merch!

>>102461638
Not unless they fasttracked the new gen faster than they even do the JP's. Hell, there's a decent argument to make they've only fasttracked Justice so much for the HoloEN concert to replace all the graduates in the line-up.

>>102461882
It'll all catch up with them eventually. No streams will cause a decline. You can't attract new viewers without streams and there's always churn. There are over 3 more years of Trump killing the US economy, so merch sales will decline. They'll pivot to more digital goods, but there'll be fatigue if they just keep shitting out voicepacks. It's really astonishing that they have all of that experienced management they hired and they don't understand the basics. I know they have a hardcore audience, but you can't rely on them as cash cows forever.

>>102461780
The bubble of lonely men wanting attention from fake women will never end until humanity does

>>102462014
It's less Trump killing the economy and more everyone else refusing to budge in changing times. It's going to happen, but they want to prolong it for as long as possible.
That's why we had that shit with japan trying and failing to manipulate currency to jump start their economy and Nintendo literally waiting until the last possible moment to release the switch 2 just because they wanted to do it at a time where the japanese economy is favorable.
Except it isn't favorable and all they did was make a JP only switch for $300 while forcing everyone to spend $500.

>>102461833
EU has literally always proven they are a worthless audience. They have never been the target. NA hours have no problem living in Japan. Most times EN girls complain about how they need to sleep and don't want to be awake for a stream, it's at a time where everyone else in their country is awake. When will you retards realize that the girls sleep at a wide variety of times that have no real connection to the timezone they are living in. Normal people working normal jobs sleep at a wide variety of times. It's 2AM on a random weekday and all the JP's are streaming strong to a big audience. HoloGTA was being worked on for a full week every night until the sun came up in JP. If the EN audience can only be available to watch anything for a single hour a day, then that says more about the worthlessness of an EN market. You can watch VOD's you know.

>>102462111
>everyone else refusing to budge in changing times
why would you budge on someone being retarded

>>102462114
EU really has been a worthless audience. There are EU streamers to stream EU times and they didn't show. We even have stars en streaming in EU times when they're clearly US and no one showed.
The fucking SEA audience comes out in droves for Jurard and his hours are terrible for EU/NA.

>>102462014
Japanese companies are always Japan focused. If EN fails, they won't give a second thought to closing up shop and just going back to not having any EN branch.

>>102461389
Cover is constantly telling their talents to work less because you keep saying Cover is overworking the girls. Cover management recommends a lot of stupid shit based on catering to you, but the girl's with their head on straight just ignore them and only the vulnerable ones fall for it.

>>102462149
What the fuck are you rambling about SEA monkey?

>>102462191
>muh made up boogeymen
Oof, that's a concession right there.

>>102462114
yeah i'm sure the SEA audience is better than EU :)

>>102460922
Altare has always been the leader and face of the branch, and that won't change. He is the only one who has the right personality for it. Vesper really didn't contribute much of anything to the group besides two D&D sessions and a Zomboid server that they only used as a group like once. Ruze already took over the western nerd content role, and he's been way more ambitious and consistent with it than Vesper ever was.

>>102462114
95% of people living in a timezone are sleep at 3am. I highly fucking doubt you've worked a night job if you think working at that time is no big deal. It grinds at your life. Your hours are all retarded. Your friends invite you to do something and you sadly say you're sleeping then. You're tired all the damn time. People start doing normal people shit like mowing their lawns mid day and you want to get up and dump 9mm into them and their lawnmower and cooly tuck yourself back into bed.

>>102462111
The rich will refuse to budge when it comes to making less money. The flat rate tariffs will be gone in 3 years and the merch and other goods will flow freely again.

>>102462277
Except altare crashed the fuck out because management is being management as usual. I'm expecting him to be the next NA graduation unless if bae has some sort of nervous breakdown ala haachama.

>>102462177
Cover is telling them to stream less when the overwork is 80% "homework" Cover demands and 20% extra passion projects some of the talents would rather do than stream.
Cover management recommends stupid shit based on Cover management being stupid.

They only have to stream 3 hours a week if they got organized for us to have 2 streams a day in peak US hours. It doesn't matter if they have 30 hours of homework. They only need to do that little bit of streaming.

>>102461963
The FWMC experience!

>>102462030
Eventually even that's going to be taken over by AI.

>>102462443
99% of the time when homework is being blamed for something, it's just as vague as saying they were sick. When they do specify what it is, it's something like exercise (which is good for their long-term health) or something like signing shit which they do for YOU FAGGOTS and can opt out of doing. Cover has no say in how many items the girls sign, the girls set the number. Which is why some go really high and others go really low. Normal streamers can often have actual real jobs, they have families and responsibilities. This isn't some special unique thing to these few girls.

>>102462704
Homework is gay and I'm tired of hearing it as an excuse from the talents who do jack shit in terms of streaming.

>>102462282
Then don't make your audience entirely reliant on the 95% if it bothers you since no streamer is required to be part of the 95%. I have worked nights more years than you've had a job and I've worked many other hours throughout the day. I definitely knew people who bitched and cried like you while working nights but it was self-imposed and not my problem. I've had just as much grief with people trying to keep me awake in the morning, afternoon or night. It's all luck based on where you live and what day it is. I had to work weekends too but everyone else thinks that's the time to party and keep anyone with a job awake. You just learn to adjust. I got into working nights precisely because I would naturally be awake at night as a teenager already and preferred that life, something several EN Holos had as part of their life as well before they became Holos.

The thread has devolved into people ranting about their worklife balance and daily routines.

>>102462704
You don't seriously think they just walk into a studio, record singing and dancing for an hour, and walk out do you?
Homework is shit like voice and dance lessons, work for sponsored events/collaborations, recordings for merch drop "events," whatever hoops they have to jump through for all the "ambassador" bullshit with various companies, working on whatever unrevealed stuff is being gone over in their meetings with their managers. There's a ton of baggage that comes with being an idol that's kept behind the scenes.
They can't talk about those things when complaining about homework because sharing business confidential information gets them terminated.

>>102462958
wrong

>>102462958
I still think it's funny that people here don't even think about all the retarded meetings they likely have to be a part of for any kind of merch drop or collaboration

>>102446392
It was fun while it lasted.

>>102445750
Yeah 2022 was Homofags EN, Kronii lying to her fanbase, Gura and Ame retired full time, it was just a shitshow.

>>102463062
Stop noticing things.

>>102463062
I hate this graph so much. Every time I see it posted I can only shake my head and think about the insane increase in merch over the last 2 years.

Im from EU, the only reason why i dont watch someone is because they are boring fucks. Kiara? lol, Ceci? Lmao, whos left? Im more often awake on weekends to watch Biboo at 1am than watching those other two. The audience is there, but we only get shit vtubers for timezones, and since there arent that many we have less to choose from. Its a cricle really.

>>102463540
They learned the wrong lessons. If you didn't know this graph came from their own finance reports, you'd think it was some Anti making shit up.

>>102463610
yurop anon here too. I stopped watching hololive altogether because most of them aren't entertaining and the vtubers we get that are live are even worse. My only viable options are indies who stream at a decent time and not "Go Fuck Yourself O'clock".

>>102463745
This is what happens when you're a public company.
First couple of years, you're fine.
Then investors want you to chase the things that make the most money and you have to keep them happy and things start changing.
Then they have to double down on it because it's successful. Employee happiness and product quality be damned.

>>102442198 (OP)
EN5 would be fed into the same meat grinder that Advent and Justice were. Just gotta embrace being a VOD watcher

>>102463975
Or just watch indies. At least they stream.

>>102464103
>Indieslop
No thank you

>>102464120
Enjoy your merch drops!

>>102464139
Wait 6 months for the merch release then an additional month for shipping by slow mail because of tariffs and it will cost $50 extra!

>>102464139
Yeah I think I will. Not touching indieslop.

>>102464120
>Brownligger seethed at this
Kek

>>102464237
>I'm bleeding. Making me the victor!

>>102464369
>Man I wish there were more holostreams lately
>WATCH MY INDIE TWITCH TRASH WATCH HER PLEASE
>N-no? I like Holo not your slop.
>REEEEEEEE

Stop begging, loser.

>>102464471
No need to get defensive. I was originally agreeing with you, but you can't not see how it's funny how you get given an answer to your problem and you response is "I will cut my hand off to spite my face"

>>102464471
>twitch
>implying

>>102464533
My response was no thank you.
>>102464120

>>102464595
You don't get it you have to like garbage and indiesloppa.

>>102464103
>At least they stream
>>102448665
>>102449441
?

>>102464631
He's talking about the no life react streamers on twitch.

>>102464658
I'm talking about finding more people you like to watch so you have more than one stream to watch every two weeks. I don't care who, unless they're in kurosanji.

>>102464471
Irony that the entirety of Justice came from "Twitchslop" and their content hasn't improved at all.

Oh I guess they have permissions and management papers to deal with now.

>>102461833
I thought EU is supposed to watch JP and ID...

>>102465476
>ID
be serious

I DON'T LIKE TWITCH BECAUSE.... THEY DON'T DO OFFICE WORK!!!

>>102465533
I mean in terms of stream hours. Easier to catch them than EN.

>>102465476
Why the fuck would I watch ID? I don't speak whatever language they speak and have no interest in learning it

>>102465572
Pretty much. No one wants to admit it though.
Like if you want to watch holo during the day your best bet are the ID girls, Octavio, Jurard, goldbullet, and sometimes Axel. They're all on the other side of the world except for goldbullet and not really good options.

>>102465772
>homos
>indogs
EU here, I'd honestly rather stare at my switched off monitor

>>102465794
A switched off monitor is basically the MO of EU anyway. Cause as we discussed theres no EU holos worth watching.
I'd still choose ID and stars over Kiara any day.

>>102465844
Why? ID accents are truly god-awful and I say this as someone who lives in a country bordering The Netherlands

>>102465931
That chicken screeching man it's just too much.

>>102442198 (OP)
>>102442231
stop losing the chuubas you have and you won't have any holes in your schedule

>>102452998
She is dancer not a leader, notice how she is always tired and burntout, panics in games and when mad just screams? Can't have that as a leader.