Murasaki "Vtubing isn't a real job" Shion

O "I do not watch streams, I only read catalog Because I am a giant faggot" P

>>102448060 (OP)
The avatar doesn't fit her voice.

This boys and girls is a lesson that Shion was only popular because her model was a bratty cunny, this new model is trash and as such no one will care about her anymore in a few weeks.

>>102448060 (OP)
>Murasaki Shion had a sleazy pedobait design that she was embarrassed to use
>Kurageu Roa has a cute design that she likes
The main issue that caused Shion to leave Hololive was never about being a vtuber. Shion likely did ask Cover for a model redesign during that 7 month "health" break. Obviously the negotiations did not go well considering that her RM made a new indie channel only 2 months after that break.

>>102448060 (OP)
She meant that working for Cover wasn't a real job, it's just torture. NOW she'll consider it a real job since now she's her own boss. Simple as.

>>102448681
Based

>>102448313
Hearty agree. She's already washed. Debut numbers couldn't even top a regular Marine stream.

OP actually wanted me to post in his thread so:
If you guys are going to keep hating on Shion then I'm going to keep saying Mumei is unironically autistic.

>>102449818
Thanks anon I like you again now.

>>102449881
How do I prove to my fellow hoomans that Mumei is autistic?

They're all getting worse, more generic models than they had in Holo. It's a sad sight.

>>102448060 (OP)
Another fucking catgirl

>>102449376
That Ao jab really pissed off Marine huh...

It isn't a "real" job in the sense that it fills the criteria of what a normal, real job is. It's a source of good income, but not a job. Streaming is not work.

>>102448642
Outfit schizo my beloved

>>102448681
holy cope

>>102448642
Outfit schizo what's your official statement regarding Gura's old and new models?

>>102448060 (OP)
This have to be the biggest model downgrade for an exholo. Where is my sexy brat….

>>102450089
What jab

>>102448060 (OP)
I've honestly had no issues with any of the ex-holos' new models, but this is an actual downgrade.

>>102448060 (OP)
Yeah... her witch model was so much better. What a downgrade

>>102448060 (OP)
If you're gonna be a generic cat girl, just be a regular human with an interesting outfit. You can always just put on a cat ear headband anytime you feel like you want to be a cat girl.

>>102450847
and what I mean about this is, you can swap out the headband to other stuff if you want to be a demon girl, a fox girl, a dog girl, or anything else you can think of.

>>102450464
that's the thing about honest-to-goodness schizophrenics, they will never be swayed by mere reality. gura could show up at his house and call him retarded to his face and it wouldn't even touch him.

>>102448060 (OP)
Why should anyone ever trust her again?

>>102448313
>Shion was only popular because her model was a bratty cunny

She had one of the best models in the entire hololive.

>>102451027
Oh i completely agree anon, the bratty cunny was strong.

>>102448060 (OP)
She is the least prepared ex-Holo to date.
She's probably didn't do any behind the scene works in a long time and thinking it will be easy to redebut so she put in minimum effort.

>>102451027
design wise yes
rigging and face-tracking were typical corpo trash

>>102450464
>Outfit schizo what's your official statement regarding Gura's old and new models?
Saba is still treating her indie career like a business and is attempting to keep the coomers and lolicons in her fan base. Kurageu Roa is going to lose a good amount of fans because she dropped the sleazy coombait. They are both going to lose fans because they left Hololive but the sad truth is that Roa will lose more because she chose a modest design.

>>102449376
Shion wasn't getting Marine numbers even in 2023. The seething coomers will be angry with her for walking away from the coombait but if her main concern was money she would have stayed in Hololive.

>>102448060 (OP)
Holy downgrade. She shed everything that made her good.

>>102451053
Based. Simps will still pay for it.

>>102450464
>>102450981
Gura's new model? You mean the one that she just switched because her shithead artist tried to fuck with her at the last second with the open jacket, and she said "No, fuck you, close that shit up" and now it's closed in both the intro and her model.

she's finally happy again but who will burn out at cover next?

>>102448060 (OP)
She is right tho.

>>102451860
Whoa, how did you get into their DM’s. I bet we’ll see dramatubers cover this breaking leak tomorrow. Crazy!

>>102451860
She LITERALLY had the dress open in her most recent stream retard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAoo3wkmHzQ&t=5m30s

>>102451114
>still treating her indie career like a business and attempting to keep the coomers and lolicons in her fanbase
So if she's okay with courting lolicons for numbers, why would that have driven her to quit her job with Cover?

>>102449937
>Saba
>Worse model/more generic than Gura
I kind of agree about the others except for maybe Nimi, but "all" just isn't true

>>102448313
>>102449376
Oh hey, you jumped to the second law right from the start this time, fascinating

>>102452115
She's too big too be told what to do by the shithead corpo higher-ups.

>>102451860
my favorite part about outfit schizo is that every single one of his posts is a little picture-perfect textbook example of picrel. he could legit be used as a case study for med students to recognize the symptoms.

>>102452318
So... it wasn't the "sleazy pedobait" in and of itself? It's that the bugman salaeyniggers TOLD her to do the "sleazy pedobait" she was going to do anyway?

>>102452115
>Gura was angry with Cover for refusing to consider a model redesign for Sana which caused Sana's graduation
>management nearly did the same thing to Ina and Kronii almost causing their graduations
>Cover forced Gura to release a pedobait daki that went beyond what she was comfortable releasing as merch
Saba was angry enough with management to leave Hololive. Even if she didn't make the same choice as Roa it's obvious that Ash Again carried a lot of anger.

>>102448313
She was beautiful as Shiom but now she's just another generic indie whore. Sad!

>>102448060 (OP)
Where did that quote even come from anyway?

heh the fan name chosen is ろありー but if you say it, it's basically "Loli" because of the Japanese L/R thing.

>>102452550
Yes. She don't want to be forced to do the "sleazy pedobait". She still want to do the "sleazy pedobait" but in her own way.

>>102452554
Notice how you just jumped back to square 1 without answering the question
>>102452812
You aren't outfitschizo, stop pretending

>>102450516
On their last stream together:
https://youtu.be/Ad9UmuKy7lw?t=75

She'll be a 3view before long, but all the power to her

>>102449937
Counterpoint: Dooby.
She went from a blonde anime girl so generic that the only way to tell who she is was to make sure to draw the monocle in her hair to a field mouse train conductor.

>>102453411
nta but
>Watson
>19th century detective Aryan girl with a distinctive silhouette
>"Generic"
>"The only way to tell it's her are by her design's unique identifiable features such as accessories"
>Dooby
>Sameface and samebody but a slightly darker blonde with a black streak, green eyes and tail
>Clothes and silhouette are relatively plain, fewer features visually stand out
Dooby's model was 100% a downgrade from Ame. I bet you're one of those retards who think Mumei's design was "bland" because her color scheme was predominantly brown and white.

>>102452210
Saba's is the most generic of them all
Gura's design was simple and iconic

>>102448060 (OP)
Why is she just inverted Gura

>>102449818
Mumei is fucking dead, how can somebody that doesn't exist autistic

>>102448060 (OP)
why does everyone who graduates lie about their reasons, and why do they all get catastrophic downgrades for models

>>102452064
Her most recent stream is 3 days ago? Uh oh.

>>102452433
>needing to ask ChatGPT to make up fake scientific terminology for you because you don't know any of it yourself
If you look up the phrase "delusional accommodation" you'll find it doesn't exist. Next time read a fucking book instead of blindly trusting AI.

>>102453546
>distinctive silhouette
It's just a girl with a bob cut and a skirt.
>"The only way to tell it's her are by her design's unique identifiable features such as accessories"
features that aren't actually part of her, just what she wears. So even if you put her in a different outfit (or none at all), you still have to include that monocle, or be very accurate with the art style to let us know it's her.
>Sameface and samebody
Why is that bad if you like Ame's design?
I liked Ame's design too, but that's because it looks nice. not that it's unique and interesting.
We're talking about cute anime girls at the end of the day, and let's be honest, it's more or less a solved issue at this point.
>Clothes and silhouette are relatively plain, fewer features visually stand out
except for the puffy short legs on her overalls, and the combination of a strapless top underneath.
I'm also just a big fan of the hat and goggles combo.

I don't want everyone to be the stereotypical indie chuuba with an insane over-designed avatar, but it's nice to have an idea to latch on to. I wish they went further with the detective aesthetic for Ame. The farthest it went was giving her a gun every now and then.

And I thought Mumei was a great design, if attached to a bit of a boring streamer.

>>102448060 (OP)
I like Nacho designs but this one is kind of sloppy...

>>102453581
Do you know what the word "generic" means, retard? Saba's design has plenty of unique and non-standard elements. You recognize that it's Saba and nobody else, you can't just change it out with another model and not notice the difference.
I agree that Gura was iconic, but it was also undeniably more generic due to its relative simplicity, by definition. Not that it was even actually all that simple, when you actually think about it.

>>102453980
If there's anyone who deserves a generic model, it's the queen of Vtubing.
Senz >>>>>> Gura > Saba

>>102453820
>He can't tell time
>He doesn't know about the Nightreign collab part 2 on Nimi's channel
lol

>>102448060 (OP)
am i the only one in here who actually likes her new design? it gives off major airhead vibes. i think it's cute.

>>102453916
ืNacho vtuber designs are mostly quite generic.
Gura design was a fluke.

Why was no one talking about it?

>>102454034
The best of Shion's personality is her brattiness which the new design failed to deliver.

>>102448313
It's not really a lesson until it happens you fucking maroon.

>>102451976
kronii already has one foot out the door. i think bae is also starting to crash out. council might be gone before christmas.

>>102448313
That's also why Ruka keeps losing viewers, her model isn't as hot as Chloe, and she isn't that good of a streamer otherwise. Mind you, it's still better than this generic model, and she has new gimmick by streaming with her friend. It might be grim for Roa.

>>102448060 (OP)
what a boring shell

>>102453896
>bob cut and a skirt
And a detective's cap. And the long, collared overcoat flowing like a cape in a relatively distinctive way.
>not actually part of her, just what she wears
A character's clothes are quite literally part of their design, anon. Often the most important part.
>So even if you change her clothes, you have to include that monocle or be very accurate with the artstyle to let us know it's her
I mean, name me one Ame outfit which isn't clearly her when you omit the monocle.
Not that it matters, because the monocle is still part of the design. If you need to simplify the design to make it generic, then it's not really generic.
>Why is that bad?
Don't get me wrong, it's not. I'm actually glad that it's the case. I'm simply pointing that the design elements you're pointing to haven't actually changed appreciably. Dooby's design is still distinctively and recognizably her, despite the downgrade, specifically because it's "NotAme".
>except for the puffy short legs on her overalls/strapless top
Agreed. Dooby isn't generic, and I do still like her design. She's just *closer* to being generic than Ame was.
Also, those are clothes you mentioned. Like I said, they are a part of the actual design and they matter.
>I don't want everyone to be a stereotypical overdesigned indie chuuba
Honestly, none of the holo alumni's reincarnations are "overdesigned". If anything a lot of them lean too far in the opposite direction by being a bit too plain. I would say Nimi and, again, Saba, are phenomenal examples of exHolo character designs that break that trend and hit the sweetspot - distinctive and interesting without being obnoxious or noisy, pleasant color coordination, elegant, balanced and generally just well-composed.
I will give you that Dooby's design seems to fit Ame's personality as a straightman/gremlin/unassuming behind-the-scenes tech girl a bit better than Ame's did, so there's that.
>if attached to a bit of a boring streamer
Don't you call the unmedicated owl a boring streamer! She's had lots of great ideas like her last April Fools stream, and her commentary could make a grass-growing stream entertaining.

>>102454034
I like it too, just on the grounds that it's pleasant and soothing to look at, like the ocean. But I do still think it's a downgrade from Shion.
Who knows, maybe it'll grow on me.

I have my criticisms of the ex-EN designs, but they are leagues above the ex-JPs who are either the most blatant holoclones in history or the most generic slop designs in history or, somehow, a combination of the two

>>102452555

>>102452785
Illiterate retard

>>102454687
I think Shion was unpleasant and disgusting to look at so I'm glad to be free of that model.

>>102454016
difficult to imagine outfit schizos and doomposters getting owned harder honestly

>>102454715
>the most blatant holoclones in history
Sakuna
> the most generic slop designs in history
Roa
coincidence?

>>102453796
>why does everyone who graduates lie about their reasons
They can't just publicly say "I want to go indie because muh creative freedoms" or "I don't want to give a cut from all my merch sales to Cover anymore" because it would make them look greedy.
So they come up with whatever grievances they may have had over the years, but it's pretty clear that those grievances are not the actual reason for them leaving.

I still don't have an answer where that quote originated from or if Shion ever said it...

>>102454896
They bring it upon themselves, honestly. I don't know what drives them to voluntarily subject themselves to this level of humiliation.

>>102454034
It lacks the impudent smugness that was baked into her previous design's eye and brows.

>>102455056
>Cover has never ever done anything wrong ever
What else do the voices tell you?

>>102455056
Saba - a likely multimillionaire - can't even be bothered to pay to replace her broken oven so she can bake properly. What makes you think she gives two shits about money?

>>102455376
https://www.trademarkia.com/owners/incoming-next-llc

>>102455332
you might want to work on your reading comprehension. saying that the girls are leaving over money doesn't imply that cover is perfect.

>>102454873
Strange way to tell us you're a faggot

>>102455562
Her designs were good, but suffered terrible rigging except her most recent stuff. I think her new model is nice. She might go all out with the cunny in new outfits.

>>102453785

>>102448060 (OP)
Neither is sitting here on VT all day you fag.

>>102448178
It also doesn't fit her personality.
It maybe improve if the smug face is good.

>>102455706
i do it for the love of the game.

>>102448313
I feel like there's something to be said about wanting to move on from what you used to be and being dragged back by fans telling you that you should just be your old self again.
Like I can't imagine doing this loli character for the better half of a decade and being forced to continue.
Now, I wouldn't imply Shion hated that model enough to separate from Hololive, but it's obvious that she needed a breath of fresh air so she very intentionally didn't go with a loli design anymore. Needless to say it's an extremely generic model though - like, incredibly generic. I kinda wish she could've gone with something more magical again, think adult Shion (Minus Shion, just knockoff Shion like Chloe did knockoff Chloe because Cover would execute her legally)

>>102453546
Honestly hard disagree. Dooby is a cool design, she's a little critter train conductor. Apart from the breast size, Watson is virtually the same as Dooby which says a lot about how much Ame cares about her character themes. Dooby is also generally cool for collaborations, it feels like she's picking people up off of train stations to go on adventures.

>>102448178
>>102455840
Roa's casual nature combined with cutesiness and a bit of childish rebelliousness fits the model perfectly.
The relaxed half-closed eyes especially fit her attitude.
She always felt like a teenage girl trying to look cool.

>>102449376
>regular Marine stream.
It was an announcement stream, which usually get 2x-3x the amount of viewers.

>>102452258
Most of us who watch ex-holos also watch holos.
You're engaging with trolls.

>>102454034
It perfectly fits her personality and voice.

>>102454114
You can watch and learn in real time anon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qtHYQ93a1o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qtHYQ93a1o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qtHYQ93a1o

I will hijack this thread to say something because i don't want to shit onto a thread that people are actually having fun in. I feel like Ash Again lost all meaning to me. It started from a true creation about the pains of a person, it felt impactful in a way i find sometimes in Mili songs. Then came the Saba rebranding where Gura just does the same thing as before which completely destroyed that song in my eyes. I honestly can say that i hate the person behind Saba because of how she treated something she created that felt actually genuine. I hate hololive for being headless chicken and losing talents to random stuff and i hate the indie scene because these ex holos have left the company to go and compete with who? Saba competes now with Shylily and Bao for scraps...can you imagine how low you must sink to have to compete with absolute mouthbreathers in the scene after being the person on billboards? You could go at an aquarium and see the vtuber that you like promoting the place, helping those employees and animals over there. Instead you chose to go fight for scraps with the bottom of the bin just because you want money and being left alone. She doesn't know how to play games and she relies on verbal stims to entertain people. Also don't get me started on this whole crusade of "look at how special we are for gatekeeping loli but we are also spamming uooh crying emoji every goddamn 2 seconds". I've been part of the anime fandom for over 20 years and somehow now these people have made me be embarrassed for accepting loli. How the fuck did that happen? Not the pomf, not the board on this site but actual zoomers thinking they are part of some secret club for spamming the most obnoxious shit ever. I don't get the point of Saba or the other ex holo vtubers. They have enough money to be able to actually reach a new higher state of mind and create art that is meaningful..and they just drop turds or destroy whatever they created.

TL;DR Blogposting

>>102456571
>They have enough money to be able to actually reach a new higher state of mind and create art that is meaningful..and they just drop turds or destroy whatever they created.
They don't want to. It takes effort, more effort than they're willing to put in. I won't call them lazy necessarily, but they're not exactly active either. That's the human nature though, they just want to coast by by doing the bare minimum. They squander their potential for greatness, but they don't care enough about it. They gave up, anon, so just give up on them too.

>>102448313
>bratty cunny
fuck off faggot

>>102456571
>>102456644
YOU HAVE TO MAKE MONEY FOR THE HECKING COMPANY OR ELSE YOU'RE A LAZY WESTOID WHORE BENCHOOOOOOOOOD
just ban /#/ already

>>102456757
I agree with banning # but the second part is not the message i was trying to convey. I understand if you don't want to read a wall of text though.

>>102456711
liking a bratty little girl is gay now?

>>102448060 (OP)
FULL REGRET!
but... more freedom and hetero bratty sex at least

>>102456757
>LAZY WESTOID WHORE
Never did I mention the west, my response to the other anon refers to any and all Holo graduates. Don't see how numbers are relevant here either

>>102454042
I think Nacho's own design is better than Gura, I also like donut.

>>102456571
Saba debuted 3 weeks ago and you are already crying about what she is or isn't doing?
Nimi and Dooby already have a concert under their belts. Nimi got 350k USD for cancer charity.
What the fuck do you want them to do? Change the world, end the wars, feed the hungry? Lmao.

>>102456944
The concert was extremely underwhelming and the charity thing was counting on goodwill...there was no event to be had.

>>102455413
That implies that she's a hard worker when it comes to things she cares about, like protecting the Sameko Saba IP. It doesn't magically imply she cares about money she can't even be bothered to spend on anything except, ironically, the Saba character itself. Need I even mention her potato PC that could barely run Nightreign?
>>102455468
>I'm not denying Cover did ANYTHING wrong
>I'm just denying literally every single criticism anybody actually makes against them ever!
It would seem you failed to comprehend your own posts. Stating the girls were lying about their respective grievances being the reason they left and insisting their actual motivation was money that they obviously don't give a fuck about ONLY makes sense if you think they have no actual grievances. i.e. that Cover didn't do anything wrong. Why backpedal?

>>102456190
To clarify, by "relatively" I meant "in comparison to Watson specifically". And not by THAT much. Like, I still think it was a downgrade, but only by like 5-10% at most. "Legally distinct Ame", you could say.

>>102456301
>>102452258 (me)
tbdesu, I know. I still watch holos sometimes too. I just like that meme format and feel there's a difference between people who oshi the girls and people who oshi a corporation.

>>102457006
>the concert was underwhelming
Probably because you didn't watch it

>>102457006
>The concert was extremely underwhelming
Says you, everyone else loved it.

>>102449937
>literally has a holo design
rumao

>>102456843
cunny is a reddit meme
you have to go back

>>102457173
Wrong I've used cunny for years and I don't even own a reddit account.

>>102456571
>incoherent schizobabble where not giving up vtubing entirely somehow contradicts his headcanon of "Ash Again"
What the fuck did you think "While you all pretend, if this is the end I'll do it again" meant you smelly, insignificant creature? Or the door being opened at the very end, and also in the teaser video? The fact that she's happy, successful and free of corpo AIDS as Saba doesn't destroy Ash Again - it fulfills and completes it.
Also, you're literally complaining that she has an entertaining and likeable personality and talent rather than relying upon skill as a crutch. And where the fuck did you get this notion that she cares about money? She dropped probably like 10k on her model/rigging and won't even replace her oven. Obviously money doesn't mean that much compared to your passions if you can't even be bothered to spend it on anything other than your passions.

>>102448313
>Tam-U sexo model
>witch AND kemonomimi
>actually streams and plays video games
>actual playful bratty attitude and not just a bitch in the Japanese sense
>sexo ASMR
MOGGED

>>102456644
See >>102454806

>>102453796
they don't lie, the corpodrones just latch on to shit to excuse bad management

>>102457247
Holy fuck actually mogged that model is top tier in comparison.

>>102456571
Fake fan alert!

>>102457247
Previously who?

>>102457243
The outcome of that song should not be a redebut in a month with a subpar model, vocal stims and garbage games. She will do what again? Reach 3 million dead subs? I agree that she will continue to get money but this is not any kind of creative work. Its her streaming on a subpar computer random games to be paid and thats that. This is what you wish from somebody who made such a big fuss with the song about how her creative juices are limited? I don't want skill to play games i want to see creative streams and ideas. I want to see your Faunas dungeons, your Muppet Spelling bees, your Detective mysteries your whatever your artistic mind can create. I don't give a shit if she streams every day or once every month because she had a great idea and wants to put it into practice. This is squandered potential that is akin to sacrilege in the face of people who care about art and have no means to do it.

>>102457340
you are actually fucking retarded

>>102457349
And somehow i still refuse to lower myself to the level of spouting shit at you.

>>102456107
>needed a breath of fresh air
I get that but the design is SO painfully plain and boring it feels like a ragebait.
all-blue, the basic ass outfit, the cloud and the crescent clip pmo even more so the sad black pins below it, don't even get me started on that cat ear and her bangs. the ribbon collar thing is pathetic.

Idk if she herself came up with that design but if it was me and my mama came up w that, I would sue her. I've never designed an OC but I'm sure if I sat down for an hour I could make something way more interesting and less offensively dull to look at than that

>>102457340
Uh oh manager syndrome..

>>102457373
go back

>>102457395
To where? I've been here since 2009...

>>102456571
If you expected her to do what she used to do as Sen, you're just underage and retarded.
If you are a normal person, give her some time. Orchestra concert, grand 3D debut, and solo concert -- None of the goals she outlined are considered weak, and achieving one of these as an independent will undoubtedly be more satisfying to observe and root for.
>uooh crying emoji
Nobody cares since she is a grown ass adult. I would be put off if she were a child, because the irony is the fun part.

>>102457390
To jump into your lads conversation, don’t you think that Shion isn’t taking it too seriously? It’s VERY clearly a budget model. Maybe even pre-made. The rigging is extremely rigid. When I first saw it I thought, oh she doesn’t want to go all in right from the start. Yeah the model is pretty dull, but maybe that’s what was within her budget?

>>102457465
nips like this cardboard face shit

>>102456571
Let's see:
Nimi and Dooby- Already performed at a 3D concert. New gen Holomen don't even get that until after 1 year with the company. Nimi did it in less than 6 months after debut without being in a big music company.
Sakuna- Has had a collab with a Coffee shop a few months back. A decent irl collab.
Ruka + Hinata - Will have a Pop Up shop starting August 8 in Shibuya, the busiest part of Tokyo.
Saba- is 3 weeks old so like you can't expect much from her just yet.
So the Ex-Holomen are making moves out there, they not just relying on streaming only.

>>102457340
I want comfy, funny streams. Nimi's Until Dawn was fucking amazing.

>>102448060 (OP)
She never said something like this. Keep seething fag

>>102457539
>3 weeks old
Out of 10

>>102457340
>the outcome should not be [insert random shit I've hallucinated here]
You're yanking our chains, right? Her model and rigging are probably the literal best in the industry, on a technical level.
As for what she'll do again, obviously "become a cultural icon through her immense talents as an idol, singer and streamer". She's already proven she has like a million dedicated subs that followed her over after being AWOL for two and a half years, as you inadvertantly admit by recycling the catalog cope about "dead subs" that you curiously never apply to anyone else. She's also talked about wanting to do a concert with a live orchestra and experimenting with music - but most importantly, she'll feel at home while doing it.
You aren't fooling anyone with your falseflagging. Eat shit.

>>102457465
I'm not talking about the rigging, I mostly watch corpos i'm unfazed.
It's the design, I don't think you need budget to come up with a decent model design. I would rather watch a barely moving almost PNGtuber with a really good design than watch a painfully dull model that bounces everywhere and can do flips and shit

>>102457609
she said she wants to do the entire dark pictures series i'm pretty sure

>>102457539
Predictions for first big Saba event? oshispark concert? brand partnership? She's bound to get a bunch of offers, just take a look at what the Taiwanbros are doing totally unprompted.

>>102457013
>That implies that she's a hard worker when it comes to things she cares about, like protecting the Sameko Saba IP.
why does she care so much about a newly created IP that has emotional value or meaning to anyone if it's not about money?

>Need I even mention her potato PC that could barely run Nightreign?
so what you're saying is she doesn't want to spend money on something that would improve the selection of games she can play and run games smoother, thus improving the quality of her streams.

>if you think they have no actual grievances. i.e. that Cover didn't do anything wrong
i have no idea what cover could personally have done to wrong them if none of them say anything.
obviously as long as they're part of a corpo they have to deal with managers, sponsors, meetings, perms and other autism. but the fact that even after going indie they're still doing merch. events and idol shit in general, meaning they need to deal with third parties anyway, so clearly that's not why they left.
what's left is money and/or having slightly more freedom when it comes to game selection, but somehow they are still playing 99% of the same shit that holos play and have perms to)

>>102457340
What do you think Gura could have had in Hololive that Saba can't obtain now in her new life? Gura never got a Sololive or a fancy life size statue like Pekora did. (both of which she can still obtain as Saba) Gura's biggest accomplishment was singing at a Dodgers game which was cool, but like there's still a lot of opportunities to do big stuff like that in the future as Saba.

>>102457783
GURA WOULD NEVER SHILL FOR A BRAND, SHES MY INDIE!!!!!!11111111111111

>>102457812
LMAO SCHIZO SHES NOT GETTING SHIT WITH THAT PEDOBAIT

>>102457783
Oshispark is definitely gonna happen next year for Saba + Nimi + Dooby. She'll get some type of sponsorships in the future no doubt.

>>102457796
>It's about money because I said so!!
You people are beyond retarded I swear, and if you are gonna cite the one merch release per year as the ultimate proof that working with "non-greedy Cover" is the way to go then I have no words big enough for your retardation and hypocrisy.

>>102457965
Just because some people find Saba's design sexually attractive, don't mean companies will not work with her. That's like not giving Sonic the Hedgehog a Movie because some of his fans, like Chris-Chan, are sad human beings.

>>102457812
>Gura never got a Sololive
Did she ever say that was something working hards towards making happen while in Hololive like other Holos are constantly saying? Was it supposed to be all covers or what was she supposed to sing if she releases one original song every 3 years?

>>102448132
fippybippy

>>102457796
>That has [no] emotional value or meaning to anyone
... it DOES have emotional value and meaning to her, anon. Clearly and obviously. It's her character, she created it, she plays it, and it's symbolic of her being free and coming "home". Seriously, have you never created a character and grown attached to it before, let alone one that serves as your virtual identity in a hobby you love? Do you really just assume everyone else is as cold, cynical and heartless as you are?
>muh cope about game selection
She obviously wasn't having problems before now, was she? Now that she knows it's an issue, it wouldn't shock me if she does invest in an upgrade - just like she's mentioned dropping money to collect consoles, so that she can STREAM GAMES on their original hardware. Stream your suicide when she does?
>if none of them say anything
Watch fucking streams, faggot. picrel
>comparing JP perms/corpo autism to working with smaller and/or non-JP outfits like oshispark
lol
>They play 99% of the same shit Holos do
How many Holos have played Mouthwashing or Static Dread? That's 2 of the 7 gaming streams on Saba's channel thus far - or about 30% - that a Holo wouldn't be allowed to do.
Plus, the ENs don't have to get perms for every individual Fromsoft stream a week in advance. They can switch between Wheel of Fortune and Who Wants to be a Millionaire in the same stream. They can switch from RE4 to a totally different game like Family Feud on a whim. They don't have to get perms for every individual song in a karaoke. They can upload their own clips, outtakes and compilations without having to worry or double check with anyone, whereas Gura was forbidden to do so exactly that by management in her final weeks because they'd need like 40 different individual game perms.
You don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about. Your reality is whatever the catalog tells you it is.

>>102457812
I agree that Saba doesn't need Cover to be successful but, anon... Gura DID have a fancy life-sized statue in Cover's office. Here it is, right next to Pekora's.

>>102450847
>>102450925
You are overestimating a woman's capability of long-term planning.
She thought "I want to be a cat girl", and that's as far as it went.

>>102457953
Big sponsorships aren't inherently bad anon

>>102458096
If Gura had no desire for a Sololive, then I guess she was right to leave Hololive. So like what's the issue with Saba "squandering" that opportunity?

>>102458096
>one original song every 3 years
Gee I wonder why >>102458111

>>102458172
They must have put it there like a month before she graduated. Anyways Cover fumbled the bag and now they don't have the biggest EN vtuber in the world under their agency.

>>102458292
>Least obvious falseflagger

>>102458111
>just like she's mentioned dropping money to collect consoles, so that she can STREAM GAMES on their original hardware.
funny how this doesn't seem to be an issue to many holos like korone who play retro shit on original hardware all the time.

>how many Holos have played Mouthwashing
nerissa, korone, gigi, biboo, kronii, subaru, fauna, raora, irys, fubuki, shiori
>Static Dread
no clue

>bitching about the mixing of her songs
cover doesn't have anything to do with their own projects, isn't she the one who's hiring the mixer? why is she hiring shitters?

> They can switch between Wheel of Fortune and Who Wants to be a Millionaire in the same stream. They can switch from RE4 to a totally different game like Family Feud on a whim. They don't have to get perms for every individual song in a karaoke.
most big name streamers don't do this because it's bad for vod growth/algo reasons. it's better to have cleanly split vods. i can't imagine this being that big of a deal unless you have super autism like ame.

>They can upload their own clips, outtakes and compilations
many holos have done and do this still

>>102457075
You don't "oshi the girls", you only anti the corporation.

>>102458348
>irrelevant korone whataboutism, missing the point
This is evidence that Korone cares about vtubing as a hobby, and the same goes for Saba
>Cover doesn't have anything to do with their own projects
Except for cancelling them for miscellaneous bullshit reasons. How many project cancellactions did Bae tank from management back when she had that panic attack, like 20?
>non-sequitur about most streamers not doing this because numberfaggotry
Saba quite literally did each of those things I mentioned, anon. Apparently not being able to do this if she wanted WAS a big deal to her. Because obviously she cares more about being at home, not minmaxing CCV or memba shekels. She hasn't even enabled superchats for fucks' sake, and neither have Dooby or Nimi I'm pretty sure (though Dooby very recently did that thing with supertips, not sure if that's a regular thing now but it's been like 8 months and she constantly disabled superchats as Ame too).
>many holos have done and do this still
And yet apparently, Gura in particular was blocked from doing so for one reason or another.
Which is further supported by... oh, hey, would you look at that! Saba JUST posted a highlights video from her Peak stream with Dooby, and a short to boot! Literally posted within the last few hours:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gflIbH9uKwI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWGMyYN0y3M
Well, anon? The writing's on the wall. The girls were never lazy or driven by money. The issue was Cover being insufferable and interfering with their passion, and it has been for years, and this just further proves it.
>>102458482
I do oshi the girls. Fuck you faggot.

>>102458636
No you don't.

>>102458275
ah yes, cover was actually sabotaging gura so she couldn't release original songs and hold concerts despite dozens of others releasing original songs all the fucking time. cover totally hated that they had the most subscribed vtuber in their roster and were making money from her and actually wanted her to leave because schizos on /vt/ said so.

>>102458666
They literally did do that because the JP branch didn't want Gura to completely dwarf them

>>102458348
This, I don't know why people cope so hard and refuse to realize that their oshi just isn't built for being on top of things.

>>102448060 (OP)
Wish her the best. Can’t get over her new model but nothing can be done about that.

>>102458665
I do. That's a stone cold fact. What part of being unemployed and infertile makes you think you know me better than I do, retard?

>>102458666
Nice fanfic, but it probably wasn't even intentional. It's just the emergent consequence of corporations being risk-averse and sclerotic.

>>102458754
You do not. You only like someone when you believe they hate Cover.

>>102453980
>Saba's design has plenty of unique and non-standard elements.
Together they make her design a mess. Gura is recognizable with only a few simple features needed.

>>102458708
Facts are stubborn things. >>102458636

>>102458780
>Source: my ass
Wrong again, liar. In reality, I still occasionally check in with a handful of girls like Bae, Kronii and CC, because I like them.
But that doesn't mean Cover gets a pass for fucking up so hard with the girls I cared about most. Stop whiteknighting for a legal construct that doesn't have feelings.

>>102458897
The source is you in this very thread being a blatant hololive anti who's mad at people still liking hololive and not watching "their indie oshis".

>>102453796
>why does everyone who graduates lie about their reasons
Since they signed a Cover NDA that includes a disparagement clause so they can't say anything that damages the reputation of their employer? "I hate my sleazy coombait Hololive design because it's embarrassing" would get them sued and is definitely forbidden in their contract. That is why they can only make vague statements like they are leaving for their own happiness even though it doesn't give any details.

>>102458794
I disagree, I think they all fit together elegantly.

>>102458918
So the source is your ass. Because you didn't actually read the posts that you're whining about, or you'd have noticed they directly contradict what you just said.

>>102458967
I don't get why you want to be my ass so badly, holoanti.

>>102458983

>>102458686
if cover actually wanted to bury gura surely they wouldn't have given her the dodgers collab, the sushiro collab, the aquarium collab, the taco bell collab, or let her release ash again, etc.

gura also did not dwarf the biggest JPs in any meaningful way.
suisei and marine have always the biggest and most viral songs. marine, pekora, miko, subaru and many others always beat gura in CCV.
hololive is still doing collabs with star wars, mcdonalds, red bull, HP, dodgers, monhun, kojimbo, amiami, etc. and none of these things are happening because of gura.

>>102459040
Concession accepted, holoanti.

>>102459075
Gura is much bigger than Suisei and Marine as she has actually cultural impact and JP CCV is made up of bots.

>>102459075
>always beat Gura in CCV
Untrue. There were definitely periods of time where Gura's CCV was at the top. And in karaoke specifically I'm pretty sure she was always #1.

>>102448060 (OP)
So sick of cat ears

>>102459124
Are you STILL seething about that thread days later, retard? Or is this some kind of weird adaptive LLM bot?

>>102459124
Holy cope

>>102459105
Accept your medications, talentanti

>>102459187
What the fuck is your problem?

>>102459191
The only one coping here is you. Marine and Suisei could never achieve the things Gura did.

>>102450040
Women are simply hardwired to want to become cats

>>102448060 (OP)
What a plain design

>>102458820
No, you are the stubborn one. Stop oshi-ing for someone who doesn't even consider herself worth oshi-ing for.

>>102459250
EN is a joke compared to what JP can achieve, and Gura is the face of that joke.

>>102459353
Gura has achieved actual tangible things while JP only has numbers.

>>102448060 (OP)
>Vtuber joins company and gets an iconic and instantly recognizable model with multiple outfits including cute idol costumes
>Vtuber gets slowly ground down under the weight of japanese corporate culture and she leaves company to do her own thing on her own terms with no restrictions holding her back
>Hires well-known and loved artist for her new indie model
>Chooses the blandest most generic "cute" design possible
Many such cases!

>>102459170
>There were definitely periods of time where Gura's CCV was at the top
2020 september and october, during beginning of the pandemic and never since then.
her karaokes were usually 30-40k.

>>102453048
This is quite weird.
It's as if they're laughing it off as business yuri, but something is off with the act.

>>102459170
>There were definitely periods of time where Gura's CCV was at the top
not entirely incorrect, she definitely had a top 3 ccv whenever she came back after weeks/months and for a few days after, but afterwards she'd settle around 14k-25k. and for karaokes, i'm fairly sure suisei has her beat consistently on average.

>>102459250
Let me know when Gura achieves this.

>>102459219
>>102459250
>>102459370
Stop falseflagging retard. Just admit you were mindbroken by me and move on.
>>102459323
>humility is a bad thing
Very convincing
>>102459353
Gura was the face of the company, and the entire genre. The only "joke" is failing to account for how much more impressive it was to accomplish things the things Gura did in America than in Japan, considering the contexts JP and Myth/Council were working in.

>>102459442
>numberfagging again
See >>102452258
Suisei is irrelevant when compared to Gura.

>>102459452
Again, what the fuck is your problem? I'm just telling the truth.

>>102459455
you're absolutely right that suisei will never accomplish grifting pedos for years like gura has done. however gura will never have an original song with over 140 million views or a successful musical career.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZP5eqm4JqM

>>102459510
Numbers are not reality. Gura has actual achievements that are not just numbers.

>>102459396
>>102459431
>Not entirely incorrect
>Translation: correct
>>102459442
Yeah, that's... not impressive, compared to being the first vtuber to sing at the Dodgers stadium in America. Sorry.

>>102448060 (OP)
omg another cat eared cunny, why cant they grow some tits or just get a hat instead of another furry shit

>>102459544
Not entirely incorrect means that you're only partially correct, i.e. you're wrong on at least one aspect. That anon was trying to be charitable to you so as to avoid calling you a straight up retard, but he forgot we're in pajeet-infested /vt/

>>102459370
>Gura has achieved actual tangible things
A
*crickets*

>>102459544
this is some shit tier bait. have a pity (You) before you samefag yourself for hours.

>>102459650
That's just a small moment that's testament to Gura's status as an actual cultural icon. What have your slants ever achieved? nobody even knows their names.

>>102459510
>muh vieeeeeews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6DNdop6pD8
This literal shitpost got 31 million views. Without any corporate backing. Or being catchy earworm radioslop like Despacito. Or even really a "song".
Gura's musical career at Hololive was stunted - likely unintentionally - by management, due to the nature of her corporate relationship with Cover compared to Suisei's, not speaking Japanese, and more. That's how they squandered Senzawa's talent and why the Gura character will never achieve those things you mentioned, even though she absolutely could have - Saba, on the other hand, probably will.
There anon, your cope has been dismantled. You can stop delusionally overestimating Suisei compared to Gura now.

>>102459734
nta but why are you using shitposts as a metric? those always go viral. marine's most viewed video is a kumarine short of her fucking around and it has 100M. also, the vast majority of views on sen's channel came after she became gura.

>>102458482
you might be the most retarded corpokek yet

>>102459778
>numberfagging
See >>102452258

>>102459455
You don't need to shit on Suichan to prop Gura up, especially with wrong facts. Suisei being popular and beloved doesn't diminish Gura/Saba.

>>102459813
Your yellow whores will always play second fiddle to a white American girl, and that makes you boil inside. I'm sorry your whole existence is consumed by resentment.

>>102459452
Quitting is not an act of humility, it's an act of defeat, by her own weaknesses. She has basically lost any form of ambition at this point, nothing left for you to push for (oshi), wake up anon.

>>102459802
i don't give a shit about your retarded console wars nigga, i'm just saying that you're comparing apples to oranges. you remind me of disingenuous numberniggers who compared stream VODs with tweet views.

>>102459647
That's what it's SUPPOSED to mean. Unfortunately, he was using it because he didn't want to openly admit that I'm entirely correct.
>>102459674
Everything I said was a stone-cold fact, anon. Musical concerts sell out tens of thousands of tickets all the time without becoming memes or having a real impact - especially in a densely populated, extremely highly-developed country like Japan.
Gura singing at Dodgers stadium, on the other hand, was the first time hundreds of thousands of western sportsball normalfags were exposed to vtubers, let alone doing vtubers doing something significant. It was viral on the English-speaking internet for WEEKS for a reason.
You may now throw twenty different copes at the wall to pretend I'm not correct.

>>102459824
hey hey hey. reign it in. no need to be racist.

>>102459824
I mean, you can shit your pants all you want about muh yellow whores but the facts remain and go against your headcanon no matter how much you wanna project your anger onto those who can enjoy both things, something a brownoid like you seems to struggle with.

>>102459838
Gura has produced actual pieces of culture while nothing your jap whores have done will be remembered.

>>102459842
>Unfortunately, he was using it because he didn't want to openly admit that I'm entirely correct.
But you weren't.

>>102459862
The only facts here are that Gura has real achievements while JPs don't.

>>102459900
Just so everyone is clear, could you list Gura's achievements?

>>102459778
>Why are you using shitposts as a metric?
To illustrate the point that not all "views" are created equal. Which is why numberfagging is always excelbrained idiocy.
>>102459862
You're replying to a mindbroken pajeet who's repeating overexaggerated shitposts I made, verbatim, in a different thread days ago just to piss off some open Gura antis (one of whom is also in this thread, the one posting Suisei's concert specifically) because he's stupid. My advice is to ignore him.

>>102459909
Being the first vtuber to sing at Dodgers stadium

>>102459900
>>102459650

>get called an anti
>claim you're not
>someone repeats your blatant anti posts
>"ignore that guy he's just repeating my posts"
Cumbuds are not too smart, are they?

Holo corpo drones are genuinely mentally unwell
Get some help please

>>102459932
So she has one achievement?

>>102459936
I already explained how significant a really is.
People will remember it for an entire decade while JP corposlop is forgotten within a week.

>>102460010
When you worship soulless yellow whores you're bound to become a soulless drone yourself. They can't be helped at this point.

>>102460011
That's just one of her achievements and I don't need to post any more because nothing JPs have can beat it.

why is there a pajeet seething on cooldown

>>102459825
Why are you switching up your argument? You weren't talking about quitting, you said she "didn't think she was worth oshi-ing". THAT is humility.
And her graduation was quite clearly not an act of defeat by any stretch of your fevered imagination. Nor can you point to any supposed "weaknesses" of hers, because the truth is that the fault was with Cover - they're the ones staffed with an army of lazy useless noncreatives and they're the ones riddled with corporate autism, not Gura.
The fact that she remains undefeated is why she came back, dreams and goals fully intact. That's reality, not your fanfiction.
>>102459838
As I told the other anon, you're replying to a falseflagger. He's repeating literal bait I was posting a few days back to fuck with the seething Gura-anti Suisei worshipper word for word because I really got under his skin and he's obsessed now.

>>102459927
>You're replying to a mindbroken pajeet who's repeating overexaggerated shitposts I made
I never replied to any of your posts, I know who I was replying to.

>>102460053
JP sang at a baseball game first.

>>102459909
Building Hololive's EN branch in the middle of lockdowns with four other girls, two sticks and a piece of string.

>>102460096
>"i-i-its just bait!!"
This isn't working anymore when you're still using the exact same talking points and being a blatant anti towards hololive members in this thread.

>>102460129
They didn't do it in America or the Dodgers stadium. Literally nobody even remembers that it happened which goes to show how meaningless all of JPs "achievements" are.

>>102460140
You have oddly specific achievements. It has to be Dodgers stadium. Of course a JP isn't going to build the EN branch. Why not just list shit like "first vtuber named Gawr Gura" as a big achievement?

>>102460053
that's it then?

>>102459965
>The mask slips
>"Why yes I'm an obsessed retard who can't recognize bait posted to fuck with me specifically, which apparently worked because I'm STILL fucking seething and STILL pretending it was in earnest days later"

>>102460196
The only mask that has slipped is yours. You even admitted that you do blatantly anti hololive members.

>>102448060 (OP)
>boobless
>still covers 70% of her skin
Even as Shion she still chooses costumes that cover almost 80% of her skin in nearly every stream.
I swear to god she has sexual anhedonia.

>>102460094
My bad, I baited him too hard like four days ago and broke him. He apparently hasn't recovered.

>>102460128
I didn't say you replied to me, I said you were replying to the pajeet.

>>102460141
>exact same talking points
Except I'm not, as you yourself admit when you acknowledge that I'm openly explaining that they were bait. I'm literally not saying that JP are soullesd whores, because I don't believe that.
Oops, your red herring died...

>>102460297
>I'm literally not saying that JP are soullesd whores, because I don't believe that.
Yeah you just posted it several times as an epic troll. You win the internets today my fellow chumbie.

>>102460177
>Building a regional branch is equally prestigious as having a name
No, anon, they're not oddly specific. My whole point is that they were trailblazers and innovators who accomplished something impressive despite the odds being stacked against them and established a foothold for the company in a totally different market. The fact that a JP can't do that for obvious reasons doesn't diminish what Myth (and Council to an extent) built.

>thread about shion
>but hurr durr muh gura best vtubaa evaar
damn it feels good to not be an EOP

>>102460210
>still seething on cooldown to post fanfiction
Baiting (You) for being exactly the sort of rabid, arrogant, peabrained little faggot you accuse "cumbuds" of being is not antiing Hololive members. (You) are nit a Hololive member. Honestly, I question whether you even count as human.

>>102459882
And what "pieces of culture" has your pedo bait anime fuck doll produced?

>>102460392
(You) lost outfit schizo

>>102460392
Blame the mindbroken pajeet for dragging in his gay little grudge from a different thread.

>>102460416
Here's you posting the exact same shit before while you totally don't believe any of it, nope!
https://archive.palanq.win/vt/thread/100586014/#100597601
https://archive.palanq.win/vt/thread/101896831/#101911101
https://archive.palanq.win/vt/thread/102248019/#102256677
And this is just what comes up with searching two words. We both know you've been posting this blatant anti JP shit for years.

>>102460348
Apparently the troll worked - a bit too well, actually, since you're so obsessed you can't help but derail an unrelated thread.
This is deeply embarrassing to watch, Raj. Please seek whatever form of professional treatment they have in your country.

>>102460436
Someone dropping a few copypastas of your retarded anti posts doesn't change the fact that you took the thread into that direction and kept it going.

>>102460491
You're the one that derailed this thread though.

>>102460372
nta but you're acting like people like suisei haven't. she was the first vtuber to be invited to TFT for example, also the first to be invited for prominent JP music festivals, NY countdown, first vtuber to be RIAJ gold certified, and the second vsinger to perform at budokan. these are just the ones i can remember just from watching from afar, i'm sure that if an actual hoshiyomi made the poor decision to give a shit about the catalog and come here he would list more stuff.

>>102460539
None of those are significant achievements that will be remembered for years to come.

>>102460440
>The bait was posted, therefore it's not bait
>(You) were fucking with Gura antis every time, therefore (You) are the REAL anti
>Your posts only go back a couple months, therefore you've done this for years
Exactly the level of reasoning we have all come to expect from the subcontinent

>>102460521
>t. threadshitter

>>102460593
When you repeat the same shit for years it can't be just "bait" but something you clearly believe.
You literally cannot stop yourself from shitting on Suisei and you're only now backpeldalling out of embarrassment when someone has finally called you out. Dropping the racial insults for one thread for optics doesn't change anything.

>>102460499
>Anon is literally defending the seething monkey threadshitter
I'm not an anti, retard. None of my posts are anti-posts. And no, I wasn't the one who derailed the thread.

>>102460557
Everyone still remembers TFT

>>102460672
>I'm not an anti
Then why's there an easily discoverable archive of you calling JPs soulless yellow slant whores?
>None of my posts are anti-posts.
All of them are.
>I wasn't the one who derailed the thread.
Yeah you were and you jumped on any chance to derail it further.

>>102454408
Ruka is just Chloe with a color swap.

>>102460539
That's not what I meant to imply at all, anon. I'm acutely aware of the fact that Suisei has an impressive career. I've given my reasons for why I think Gura didn't replicate comparable feats in America, but the point is that EN accomplishments do carry some degree of extra significance because America isn't Japan, on top of other particular handicaps. That doesn't diminish what JP girls have done though.

>>102460716
And covered tits. And a shittier model.

>>102460918
>Suisei has an impressive career.
LOL

>>102460667
>for years
Prove I've been doing it "for years". You can't, because those posts are the ONLY ones I've made like that, which is why that's all you can find.
Stating facts isn't "backpedaling". You're grasping for straws and frantically trying to make me into your bogeyman because you're desperate to deflect and project your own anti behavior against the Holo alumni. You're a liar. You don't care about the girls, you ONLY care about the abstract legal fiction that is "Cover Corp".

>>102460962
poojeet out of arguments, can only laugh.

>>102460712
>Openly running defense for the deranged streetshitter's narrative
I've already answered your disingenuous question and disproven your lies. Now tell us, are you also from this anon's mudhutvillage or something?

>>102461059
Is being mindbroken over literal bait just your entire personality now?

>>102461006
>Prove I've been doing it "for years".
It's just a guess, but there's no way you haven't been doing this for as long as you've posted on /vt/.
>those posts are the ONLY ones I've made like that
So you admit that all of those posts I linked are yours? Looks like you have been JPs soulless yellow slant whores quite a bit. Also those three are not the only posts like this that you've made.
>Stating facts isn't "backpedaling"
You claimed you were "stating facts" when you called Suisei a yellow whore. Is that no longer a fact?
>You're grasping for straws
You're literally out here calling all JPs soulless whores and taking every chance to minimize their achievements.
>your own anti behavior against the Holo alumni
Where's your proof?
>You're a liar.
Say the guy who constantly spouts bullshit and then says he doesn't believe it. YOU do not get to call anyone a liar.
>You don't care about the girls
You call the girls soulless whores, I don't. If you were in Japan you would probably get sued for defamation.
>you ONLY care about the abstract legal fiction that is "Cover Corp"
Proof? I have never said anything positive about them. You're just projecting your hatred towards the company here.

>>102461208
>baseless assumptions, also wrong
My favorite!
>All linked posts are yours?
Only 1 and 3 actually.
No, that is not "quite a bit". And it's always to piss off retards like (You).
>Those three [two] are not all you made
Did it come to you in a dream? Maybe the voices in your head?
>You claimed something when you were baiting me
KEK
>Y-y-you're baiting me, that justifies my strawgrasping and lies
KEK
>Where's your proof
Every post you've made in both this thread and last, anti
>YOU do not get to call anyone a liar.
I do and I fucking will, lying vermin. Baiting isn't a lie when it's directed at rodents like yourself.
>You baited me, therefore you hate the girls somehow! Ignore my genuine seething over the Holo alumni being "muh lazy traitor whores" though, THAT doesn't count!
Fuck off. And no, I don't give a shit about Japanese defamation law.
>Proof?
You frantically hallucinate Cover antis in your Froot Loops because you are programmed to defend the corporation's honor. Nobody gets so overprotective and delusional over a corporation, to the point of attacking former staff, unless they're a rabid fanboy drone.

>>102448060 (OP)
extremally generic model, step down from shion, not interested, also didn't she said she was stepping down to do other shit?

>>102461544
>Every post you've made in both this thread and last, anti
Link them, holoanti.
>lying vermin
That would be you.
>Baiting isn't a lie
You said you didn't believe then things you said. This is you admitting to lying.
>You baited me, therefore you hate the girls somehow!
You called them soulless yellow slant whores. Will you also call Gura that for some epic bait? Do it right now to prove how big of a master baiter you are.
>my genuine seething over the Holo alumni being "muh lazy traitor whores"
Link the posts where I did that. You can't because I haven't. Why is it that you cannot show me posting anything like that but there's posts of you calling holos whores? You even admit to posting them.
>I don't give a shit about Japanese defamation law.
That's not the point. The point is that you are an anti and would be treated like one. I'm sure Suisei and Marine would absolutely love to read your posts diminishing their achievements and calling them whores. Go post it in their twitter replies since it's just epic bait, I'm sure they'll get it.
>You frantically hallucinate Cover antis
You're literally right here seething at anyone that still likes hololive. Anytime you see someone like Suisei you start shitting on her and tell them how much better Gura is even if Gura was never mentioned.

>>102456571
One message from the song was obvious though, she hated me for believing in her and waiting as long it took to see her again so I don't see a reason to keep following her.

>>102460222
>Even as Shion she still chooses costumes that cover almost 80% of her skin in nearly every stream.
>I swear to god she has sexual anhedonia.
Anon imagine an indie vtuber that joined Hololive only to get their worst pedobait design. That alone would be embarrassing for Shion but it definitely attracted lolicons with a horrible case of coombrain that were making child belly erotic jokes. Those are the creepiest messages that coomers can send on a Youtube chat without Google instantly banning their accounts. I am a guy with thick skin but it's obvious that for a vtuber that dealing with pedophiles would be the 5th circle of Hell. Not exactly a shock that sexual jokes about her child like model eventually burned her out from Hololive.

>>102460420
>(You) lost outfit schizo
Anon you keep calling anons outfitschizo but at least 30 different people in this thread have realized that Roa left Hololive because she was embarrassed with her design. Flare wasn't the only JP talent that asked Cover for a model redesign though obviously things ended differently with Shion.

I'm getting tired of this vtubing/idolfag scene and its hypocrisy. Every time a girl "graduates", it's treated like a fucking funeral. Girls either seem to be clinically depressed, or sick, or burned out, etc. And then they reemerge shortly after, and literally none of that is true. Clearly they have no intention to do anything else, because they don't know anything else. And every time everyone pretends this is a "new" vtuber debut. And at the same time clippers upload blatant clickbait videos, or outright namedrop their old persona. It's all so tiresome.
I mean, I'm not blaming the girls, or the corp, even if someone's actually up to blame. Just tired of this duplicity. Why can't they separate peacefully and keep the old persona, if they're gonna keep streaming anyway? Patra and Mea did it. Where's the fucking goodwill?

>>102462332
>it's treated like a fucking funeral. Girls either seem to be clinically depressed, or sick, or burned out, etc.
Well nobody was like that when Shion graduated.

For a second I thought that was Poko Rakun.

>>102457669
>Her model
lol no, it's over designed garbage with way too many unnecessary check boxes, if she held back on some design points it would've looked great though.
>and rigging
i would've enjoyed the rigging if she didn't have those dogshit cat ears, every time she makes a susprised face it looks like the cat ears detach from her skull and it completely ruins the fluidity of her rigging for me, it's completely distracting and just looks like all around trash as a result.

Do you really believe the company over the numerous talents who have left and continued to work on their own?

>>102462840
Everyone who left is doing worse

>>102462840
Well, one thing I can say for sure, is that the accusations of the company "limiting their talents' creativity" don't hold water. Because they continue to do the exact same things as indies.

>>102448060 (OP)
Shion left Hololive because Marine abandoned her for Ao-kun after grooming her for years.

>>102462840
Believe in what?

>>102448132
FPBP

>>102457173
I'm honestly shocked by this level of retardation.

>>102462332
The person who voiced Shion is fine, but Shion, as in the smug kusogaki with a sexy tummy, she's dead. Completely dead. As in gone forever and will never do anything again.

>>102448060 (OP)
>another cat girl
we lost Shion for this

>>102460096
Man you're long gone, all the shilling you did for this girl will only ended with disappointment, she is the definition of self-destruction, proven time and time again. I'm not saying that you shouldn't watch her for entertainment but as an idol she's dead, and a part of EN vtubing died with her too.