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Corpos falling appart!!!

>>102469155 (OP)
Hololive's doing good
See you at the 12K seat concert you shitters kek

>>102469155 (OP)
couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch

>>102469155 (OP)
Hololive won

>corpos finally dying
It's a good day.

This is gonna be an interesting thread. Perhaps I should also note that she left because VShojo allegedly owes her and the Immunodeficiency Foundation hundreds of thousands of dollars from her last subathon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwLbGcUMy6g

>>102471882
Is there any reason I should dislike corpos as a concept? Right now I don't care that much outside of situations like this. All I know is that this thread is gonna be something to behold I'm sure.

>>102472214
They are forced as fuck, I mean vtubing in general is a lot forcing and LARP but corpos take it to an unbereable level

>>102471639
>Antique Store Bijou
MY FUCKING SIDES!!!

>>102472214
Are you a seething indie or a twitchfag casual? If not, no, not really.

>Nina leaves Nijisanji
>Nijisanji is embroiled in a controversy involving a financial dispute and their most prominent member

>Matara leaves Vshojo
>Vshojo is embroiled in a controversy involving a financial dispute and their most prominent member

I am noticing.

What corpos have cute girls that don't seem like they'll implode anytime soon? I already watch hololive and phase and I know of Vallure but don't care for their adult angle. I just want to watch cute girls.

>>102469155 (OP)
the fallout from gura is hitting every corpo

>>102469155 (OP)
This truly is the year of the indies.

>>102473400
you're giving saba credit where there isn't any. what's happening to vshojo is entirely vshojo's fault.

>>102473087
hag sexo. breeding with hags.

>>102469155 (OP)
>VShojo is finally on its death throes
Henya just needs to leave and I can stop caring about this shit company.

>>102477363
Average chumcuck behavior desu

>>102469155 (OP)
I bet MariMari_EN is kicking herself for joining Phase.

>>102477363
>>102477693
you fail to understand the extent of the fallout.
this is hitting everyone

>>102472214
Corpos as a concept aren't bad: you surrender part of your freedom and income for the ability to not stress yourself over getting a model, promoting yourself, dealing with finances and merch, etc. The issue is back in the day there wasn't much of a choice if you actually wanted to make a living as a vtuber, but now as indies are getting more and more capable of managing themselves some vtubers feel like corpo benefits aren't worth it anymore

>>102477793
Shes chinese, she goes to where the money is, if Phase dies she just goes back to her usual thing, with a model Fishman paid for.

>>102477984
>indies
Is there more than a handful successful ones that didn't get a boost from being corpo beforehand?

>>102472214
As a concept? Not really, it's a quite noble one. In the context of capitalism? They're fucking money grabbing cesspits for Venture Capital fucks. Not that independence is going to do that much better, mind you, the negative incentives remain and every large enough individual is already a tiny corporation with them as the CEO, but it'll delay the impact for a while.

Froot can use this to claim that Vshojo also took her charity money.

>>102478234
Of course: Filian, Neuro, Shylily, Bao, Camila etc

>>102478401
I'm honestly surprised vshojo lasted as long as it did with their business model, but all the talents that left in the past years raised big red flags for me

>>102478401
>Nijisisters tweet screencap
>>102478568
The 3rd and onwards are trash though

>>102478401
Oh shit, we might acutually see the end of vshojo, like I was thinking they would just lots of relevancy and be there like NijiEN, but they actually might just dissapear

>>102478615
>trash
You mean they aren't successful or what? Moral evaluations are beyond this discussion

>>102478568
Yeah, that ain't very many which is my point. (Also ignoring a number of those got popular for being vshojo orbiters)

I hate vshojo but I also think it would be funny if ironmouse was scamming and faking everything.

I always feel that way about any kind of fictional character that has a feel-bad-for-me disease

>>102469155 (OP)
millionaire complaining that she only got paid 1 million dollars a month, not 1.2 million a month
vagueposting, as women do
literally a nothingburger, I will maybe give a fuck if anything specific is said. until then, I will assume this is probably another dokibird "well I mean my lawyers got confused and fucked up but its still everyone else's fault"

>all the former corpo girls are going to trauma bond over their shared past and decide to create another corpo which will "totally work this time".
Calling it now.

>>102478689
>that ain't very many
Bro, I don't have the time to list all indies that are high 3view-low 4 view, which is insanely good for an indie. You can go consult with /lig/ about it

>>102472214
They manipulate chuubas into joining by giving them a starting buff and easier management but make them sign a retarded contract where they have to pay them back a stupid amount of money and that also restricts their liberties and makes them subjects to the company's managers and wills, they also can't get upset because they have NDAs and risk getting fired. Some companies go even further by owning the rights to their characters, so they basically own nothing and will be happy.

>>102478826
Don't care about the 3views and low 4 views. Talking about who's who can pull the same popularity the main corpos can.

>>102478615
>liking filian
are you 13

>>102478721
Reminds me of Kyo Kaneko

>>102478761
Contracts are contracts. I would be pissed if my employer sorted me any amount, period. Fuck VShojo

So will the vshojo talent migrate to another corpo or will we get a new wave of indies?

>>102469155 (OP)
Vshojo was probably so far into the red that embezzling charity money was a good option. Dire.

Hololive may have lost Gura but at least they can still function as a company in EN. Vshoujo is actually fucking done. What made them think they could get away with pocketing 500k from charity? Anybody who stays with them on the EN side at the very list should be considered incredibly sus. Especially Mel who's essentially a cofounder of the place.

>>102479365
I don't see any of them joining corpos. They will probably just join talent agencies like Mythic.

>>102479480
Being a cofounder doesn't mean you are a corunner, we don't know if she was in charge of anything relating to finance or contracts etc

Also poorly aged post.

The only one in VShojo I care about is Henya so as long as she gets out of this mess fine, I’m good.

>>102479098
sure, but I dont know if that summarizes this
even the most fucked up poorly run corporation isn't likely to just outright disregard a contract and steal money
what is more likely is this is a case of "I didn't understand what I signed" or some other lawyer stuff (ex. vagueness in contract)

mouse knew she could vaguepost about this and would 100% have everyone on her side (see: dokibird), so she just went for it to give them a PR hit since she is mad. woman shit
I guarantee as more facts come out it will be clear this situation isn't as cut and dry as she makes it sound

>>102479679
As long as she crashes and burns, she got exactly what she fucking deserved.

Vshojo is not a company so this doesn't affect anybosy.

Phase Connect:
1) does nothing
2) wins

>>102477793
she probably still owns her original model, and can jump ship if need be. She's still in mythic I believe for that very reason.

>>102479827
yea isn't it just a brand, chill dramawhores

>>102479687
And you think she can do this without the risk of being sued for slander?

>>102469155 (OP)
given how many decisions were made with her sign off in the background and that she was the shadow ruler of the company. Shes 100% involved in the shady shit they did and wants to put distance between herself so that her facade doesn't get unveiled.
This is just like that yogscast hannah leaving years ago. She dipped because all the groomers were getting outed and she had skeletons in her closet.

>>102479480
It probably wasnt an active decision from the comapny as a whole. Money gets tied up in trusts and legal red tape and taxes and then becomes a headache to deal with. Now its a year later. That's just negligence.

Either that or the 'redistributed the funds' and paid themselves. Either way pretty illegal stuff

Gunrun decided to take a bullet for his buddy Riku so the Aster heat dies off.

>>102478826
>3view to low 4 view
Barely any money. You aren't really a twitch millionaire until you regularly break 10k.

>>102469155 (OP)
>Ironmouse had her IP before she joined Vshojo
>Therefore, her IP is not held by the company as it belongs to her
>":Hurrr, the company didn't hold on her IP, it's totally worthless"
>"Hurr, I am not retarded, it's vshojoseethe"
That guy from last thread didn't just go full retarded, he went beyond that.
I unironically hope that he doesn't procreate.

Anyone have any idea who she's talking about?

>>102480121
>trying to somehow spin the destruction of the entire brand into "no big deal"
Why do retarded anons do shit like this

>>102480197
some guy splitting the bill is the real issue here imo

>>102480197
There were threads around a year ago about some manager with experience in Hololive hired by Vshojo. Some even speculated it was Omega himself

>>102479827
the Schrodinger's corpo, vshojo is a corpo when convenient and not a corpo when drama related

>>102469155 (OP)
>Vshoujo jumps on Niji hate train
>They're 100% blacker

It's like pottery

>>102480197
there's a guy who worked at holoEN and joined vshojo last year
he was at the vshojo nova panel at AX this year
i've seen speculation that he was the one mori called "jchad"

>>102480197
There was a manager who jumped ship from Anycolor to Cover last yearish but that was a woman so I have no idea.

>>102479412
I think they just straight up didn't have the money.

>all of mouse's money goes through vshojo
>vshojo has money trouble
>mouse does a subathon and makes $1mil+
>Vshojo gets a million deposited into their bank account
>deadline for giving money to IDF and mouse is some time away
>use the money to deal with some more urgent expenses
>plan is to do extra events and merch so they can pay mouse and IDF on time with nobody noticing
>talent start leaving, blindsided by even more money trouble
>time to pay mouse and IDF comes
>don't have the full amount on hand, and if you only pay part of it your scheme might get noticed
>just play possum and hope nobody notices until you have the money again to pay them

>>102480234
This thread is for westerners, go find some street to shit on, if you can't comprehend a basic green text or are too retarded to differentiate between the brand of an agency and brand of the streamer/talent.

>>102480350
>Omega
wouldn't be surprised but isn't he still at hololive

>>102480358
I wonder if all the niji refugees there will jump off or if they'll sink with it

>>102478761
They withheld half a million from a charity, that is what's going to fuck them.

>>102480451
Uhh what? I was agreeing with you retard that the person described in the greentext was being dumb.

>>102480523
Matara has already left, Michi and Kuro have removed Vshojo from their names and bios on Twitter (though they still have the pink V badge)

>>102480458
I said it was just a speculation, and a year ago no one knew he and Enma were the same person

>>102480587
Looks like ama also removed vshojo from her bio, it's fucking over

>>102478721
>if ironmouse was scamming and faking everything.
Pretty much it's all but said explicitly that the recent wave of talents leaving Vshitshow is more-less connected to this fuck up (and Geega implied it's just the tip of the iceberg)

>>102480016
If that's what you care about you are beyond retarded.

>>102479983
I'm willing to give them the benefits of the doubt, but why the fuck did Mousey or VShojo even use their account(s?) to begin with? Just use a trustworthy 3rd party donation platform like other big VTubers did

>>102478557
devious

>>102480874
I can't believe zentranny emptied their accounts and ran away

>>102472214
Nothing really but sooner or later they become beholden to the shareholders and nothing good comes from listening to a bunch out of touch fat old pricks

damn that's- wait a second. I'm white, I don't watch vshit

Phase connect remains strong. All other corpos crumbling.

>>102479818
Spoken like a true tranny

>>102469155 (OP)
What happens to VShojo JP?

>>102482993
Chances are brave buys it in the next couple of months or they all go indie

>>102478626
And reappear as Zshoujo.

>>102477793
Not really she can bully Pippa more easily now that they are in the same agency

>>102480444
ponzi'd

>>102469155 (OP)
>"Hello Mr. Yagoo. It's me."
>"..."
>"Yes, it's done"
>"..."
>"Also I'm retiring."

>>102472214
They prey on retarded girls who have no business sense and get them into dogshit contracts. Can't blame the girls, most have no real world experience and just want to be popular.

This is a complete fucking disaster for Mel.
A few weeks ago she moved to permanently live in Japan, something she's been working towards for years now. But her residency requires her to be employed, so she can't just leave VShojo. And If it completely shits the bed and dies there's no way any other corpo will touch a vtuber who does adult content on Chaturbate.

>>102469155 (OP)
You want to see an actual nuke, this is a nuke.

>>102484831
>the good news keep coming

>>102484831
the first VAllure Invader

>>102485151
Selen thing was still worse and is unlikely to be toppeed unless Niji does something again like genuinely selling Petra to an investor or something

>>102484831
Jesus is looking out for her, it's okay.

>geega
>"I'm not gonna talk about anyone elses situation"
more then likely way more shit has gone down then what mouse has said.

>>102477793
Mari retained her mythic managers and joined Phase as an invader. She presumably still owns her IP and can leave whenever she wants. It's less her joining a corpo and more a partnership under the guise of joining a corpo.

>>102484831
That's what she gets for being a whore. Time to become a JAV star bitch, it's okay though because she's used to that what with having done live action porn before.

>>102472802
Stone, not store. Stone. Anon, you baka lmao.

>>102469155 (OP)
But I thought you guys said that Vshojo is not a company

>>102484831
Why didn't Mouse consult her for an exit plan? What a bitch

>>102472113
She sounds so F-ing fake and scripted

False is now live. He's been very supportive of Vshojo in the past.

>>102488506
He's also a faggot who threw a fit over some 2view saying that dramagrifters should rope.
Mind you, she wasn't calling him out specifically, but he felt targeted anyway.

>>102488671
I know, I'm just curious what he'll say given his past support. Personally I found the horse dramafag's reaction to that tweet funnier, she genuinely freaked out after asking ChatGPT what hang, drawn and quartered meant.

not my problem

>>102488671
>some 2view saying that dramagrifters should rope
Holy based. Which 2view, imma go sub to her this instant.

>cryptic tweet
>replies turned off
How deep does this shit go

>>102477363
NTA but I think Saba's debut is the final nail in the coffin that makes many corpo chuubas think there's no need to tied themselves to corpos no matter what they did for them if those corpos fuck up this badly

Imagine Vshojo imploding being the second biggest nuke of the day.

>>102494286
Tomomi Toraya

>>102484831
She can get quick hired by a Jap company maybe? They'll treat her better anyway since the Japanese are less aggressive towards lewd stuff anyway, so long as you follow their weird rules.

>>102494779
I wish they'd spread things out a bit more, so the board doesn't go to complete shit in one day.

>>102494513
The activities and reception of the most successful western vtuber ever is not overly applicable to the 2views and 3views that make up most corporate vtubers.
VShojo girls already know they can make it independently, it was a precondition of them being able to join in the first place

>>102494856
This girl makes all dramafags that see her attempt suicide

>>102469155 (OP)
A SECOND FUCKING NUKE HAS DROPPED ON UNICORNLAND
AIIIIEEEEEEEE

>>102497671
Whatever that brings unicorns into reality can only be considered good news.

>>102495461
>Can make it independently
I know but you can't deny Vshojo, despite being an org, also offers them many advantages and opportunities (like dealing with their merch like for Kson, for example) + takes care many hassles like bureaucracy many chuubas don't want and/or know how to deal with (like with Kuro, for example). Saba shows them they can take care of it all by herself and it's better to ditch corpos if their vision has diverge from themselves.
But yeah I just realized it only applicable to big names such as VShojo for now but if Saba can thrive even more as an indie, I think that's when small and micro corpos will get impacted
>>102497671
Tbhonest I'm happy for her. Anything and anyone that went agains (((their))) propaganda is based in my book

All these companies had to do was not be evil. How fucking hard is that.

>>102497671
FUCKKKK

>>102480918
Well it wasn't just that it seems, they were doing with a bunch of artists and who knows what.

>>102495107
There are quite a few Japanese whorepos, I wonder if any of them would actually be interested in hiring her
I'm not sure if they have the resources to sponsor her visa or not though

This might just be the biggest yab in vtubing history. A top 3 corpo literally going completely defunct overnight.
if I was a corpo CEO i'd be pretty fucking scared about my companies future right now desu, the industry is turning hard against them

>>102497671
A THIRD NUKE STRUCK THE 4CHAN SERVERS
OWARI DAAAAAAAAAAA

>>102473111
Not all of the VAllure girls are sluts, check out Mercy sometime. Some of them only do the lewd patreons but have wholesome-ish YouTube channels. Also v-dere is getting popular thanks to that tomboy horsegirl with the abs!

poor Amalee

>>102499520
>A top 3 corpo literally going completely defunct overnight.
This wasn't really "overnight" tbf
Vshojo has basically bleed like 2/3rds of members since 2023
Shit obviously wasn't on fire like it is now, but they've been in a precarious situation for months now since Matara and Geege left

>>102501217
Ehhh anyone could survive losing a couple talents the way Vshojo lost Matara and Geega, but losing Their #1 talent the way they did would kill even Hololive. Vshojo as a business can in no way exist after this yab.

>>102501217
Why do people keep saying Matara left? She was fired

>>102484831
Mel first time JAV debut is upon us

>>102501217
They literally remove vshojo from their twitter bio, even the jp.

>>102501879
why

>>102503932
Being a greedy whore, supposedly

>>102504008
so money dispute?

>>102484831
Finanically she can move back and it's not an issue, it's only the vibes that she moved to Japan for
People forget these streamers are multi-millionaires, especially with how vtuber merch sells much more per CCV than normal streamers

>>102504041
I guess so

>>102486975
>having done live action porn before.
Sauce?

>>102484831
She can join VAllure, they make adult content

>>102484831
Good.

>>102469155 (OP)
I didn't even know this was possible. I thought she like owned Vshojo or some shit.

11

>>102505220
all the original girls willingly put on the chains, absolutely female behavior

>>102504517
Completely unrelated topic but Mars Mayhem was a great live action porn star. Perhaps you should look into her.

>>102480444
>deadline for giving money to IDF
what

>>102510953
Yeah it's rather unfortunate that the charity shares its acronym with the Israeli military, particularly considering the flesh circles Ironmouse moves in. Funny seeing people being confused on Twitter and in chats though.

>>102510953
Every major organization in the US is beholden to the IDF and has a strict deadline for forking over a cut of all their profits each quarter. Vshojo missed theirs and look at what happened...

>>102469155 (OP)
Brave Group bailout soon

>>102469155 (OP)
the talent
the freedom

>>102473087
Yeah but is she the cause or just catalyst

>>102469155 (OP)
KSON stream is another happening right now

Objectively speaking is there any way vshojo can damage control this situation?

>>102517115
No.

>>102517115
Everyone is admitting Vshojo hasn't paid them for a year now. Sounds like Vshojo ran out of money some time ago and has been trying to placate their talents with lies and empty promises that they'll have their money next tuesday for real this time. It's completely over.

>>102517115
EN? No way. It's over. They lost their golden goose and its been revealed that their payment method is essentialy a ponzi.
JP? Possibly. Just blame it on baka gaijin greed and degeneracy and hope the japs eat it up.

>>102484831
She’s rich. I don’t give a fuck.

>>102478761
Nigger, Vshojo owes a charity 500k besides whatever amount they owe Ironmouse. This is the tip of the iceberg as Vshojo owes people a lot of fucking money. Ironmouse isn't as rich as you think she is. A lot of her sub money isn't going to her but her agency. Hell most of the corpo vtubers aren't as rich as you think. I know of a couple who only made 12k a year while another streamer with simmilar views and sub/members count made almost half a million dollars.

>>102480197
That's the guy who saw Vtubers as his personal harem. Dude even solicited real pics from them.

>>102518456
ironmouse is extremely rich. she is easily worth 10 million+ USD. you don't realize how much money "influencers" make

>>102518873
She is valued as that but she doesn't have that. Most of that money goes to the Agency. People value Vtubers like that due to the views, subs and merch sales but most of that money goes to the Agency. Talent get paid by the agency. Someone who works at McDonald's full-time gets paid more money than most Vtubers.

>>102519268
Cope, retard

>>102478615
>The 3rd and onwards are trash though
trash can be successful

>>102519268
even if she signed a contract that gave the company 90% of her revenue (which she didn't because literally no one is that dumb, even vtubers) she is still absurdly rich by any reasonable standard
there is literally no way she streamed with her numbers for as long as she did without making millions of dollars, even with a company taking half

>>102519803
You would be surprised.

>>102469155 (OP)
parrot4chan fucked zaion deflection

wild

>>102519803
You're forgetting the absolute metric fuckton of money she pays for her medical bills

>>102517115
No, they're well and truly fucked. It's just a matter of how long it takes them to reach that conclusion. If their refusal to pay people has been far-reaching enough, they could be open to some extremely nasty fraud/embezzlement charges.

>>102469155 (OP)
People celebrating the fall of corpo scene is so delusional since it literally signals the fall of vtubing as well. Indie? They're barely relevant except for ex-Holo, who are destined to do worse than their corpo past life, the future of EN is so grim.

am I like the only one here who doesnt watch Vshoto or hololive?
bizare

>>102524469
Vtubing (especially EN vtubing) was always going to be a bubble, anon. You knew this, at least deep down if not actively.

2 nukes

>>102525601
zhang

>>102518456
Also if they're willing to steal 500k from a charity and the literal face of the company then they're definitely stealing from other talents and the taxman.

>>102517115
If I'm Gunrun at this point I'm more worried about avoiding embezzlement charges and federal prison than I am about VShojo surviving the month.

>>102527201
Yep. People here have no idea how much Vtubers are getting scammed. They see the big donos and merch sales and think all of that goes towards them. I DM with people in the streamer scene and the amount of money a flesh streamer makes is much more greater than Vtubers. A flesh streamer with less views makes more money than Vtubers in orgs.