Thread 102469207

>Does literally nothing
>Indies and other corpos shoot themselves in the dick
How does HoloEN keep winning?

but they lost their top talents in the span of a few months

Whether we like it or not, all corpos suck, and all indies suck to varying degrees that they control.
In the end we'll all be forced to watch granny play her vidya.

>>102469468
Not sure if you noticed but all if them except Saba fell off hard and notshion's debut was an absolute flop.
Yagoo won.

>>102469468
And yet they're on an entirely different plane of existence compared to any other corpo.
It's almost as if the brand can survive a few lazy hoes quitting

>>102469207 (OP)
Why is the logo black?

>>102469468
And yet Hololive is selling out 12k seats, call me when they're collapsing.

>>102469468
They had four graduations in one month
They literally losing at the same speed as nijisnaji

>shoot themselves in the dick
Understatement of the century, vshojo just teleported themselves into the center of the fucking sun.

>>102469468
>lost their "top" talents
>Didn't affect their public perception or bottom-line in meaningful way
I'd call that winning

>>102469468
not really, Vshojo losing Iron Mouse if the equivalent of Hololive losing Sora, Miko, Pekora, Marine, Suisei, Fubuki, Korone and Towa at the same time
It's not even close

>>102470071
Wait until you find out how bad they're doing.

>>102469207 (OP)
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Who knew that just trying to be a decent company is all it take to dominate the Vtubver industry.

>>102470217
Wrong (You)? Because theres a good chance vshojo straight up wont exist this time next year

>>102470180
Anon really tries to sneak Towa in there

>One holomem who loved the boys collabs with boys
>dozens of threads, impossible to talk about anything else for a month straight
>The poster child for a pretty big corpo quits and outs them as awful people
>Only a handful of threads, hype already dying down
Holo wins by doing nothing yet again

>>102469468
son, you got baited

>>102469207 (OP)
>Hololive = Vtubing
Nothing else matters.

>>102469207 (OP)
they literally lost the world's biggest vtuber. recently.

>>102472777
>Cumbuds actually believe this

>Vshojoutards were talking big shit about Hololive was finished because Gura graduated
>Lose Ironmouse and their entire company due to them stealing from charity

>>102469468
Holo's top talents are Suisei, Marine, Pekora, Mori. They're all still there.

>>102473474
>Mori
Nah, all she has is music views. She is a literal who compared to someone like Subaru

>>102473474
replace Mori with Fubuki and you're golden

>>102469468
Fpbp, Holodrones stay seething.

>>102469207 (OP)
I can't be stated enough that for Cover as rough as Cover treats EN at times, other corps have a tendency to just do flips off of buildings. It really speaks about how strong Hololive is that even even though they lost so many members in six months, including two Myth members, they all left amicably and one of them has even shown up in stuff after her departure.

>>102473474
>holoen

>>102473595
>Nah, all she has is music views
>Nah, all she has is [one of the most important metrics a Holo can have]
?

>>102469207 (OP)
>Gawr Gura
>Watson Amelia
>Ceres Fauna
>Nanashi Mumei
>Tsukumo Sana
>Yozora Mel
>Minato Aqua
>Kiryu Coco
>Murasaki Shion
>Sakamata Chloe
Just those vtubers could make a corpo of their own and nobody would remember Hololive exists afterwards. This probably isn't even the end of it. If Marine graduates you shouldn't be one bit surprised.

>>102473971
>Nimi losing to holoID
>Giant Saba, Doob Nimi collab with no overlap barely avaraged 18k
>NuShion Debut lost to random HoloJP streams
>Nimi concert didn't sell out, Holoen one with 12k tickets sold out instantly
>Nu Chloe and NuAchan fell off hard already
>Sukuna can't stream because her model was made by a diddler
Yeah, Yagoo won.

>>102469207 (OP)
>Loses a handful of talents because management and cover is actually shit
Yeah.

>>102473971
>irrelevant
>irrelevant but technically still apart of Holo
>relevant but replaceable
>irrelevant but well liked
>not only is she irrelevant but she cared so little about being a vtuber that she barely streamed while in Holo and quit within her 1st year
>irrelevant
>relevant but ostensibly just retired
>was relevant, but had a meteoric fall-off
>same story as Aqua
>irrelevant but was good at milking gachis
We cool

>>102469207 (OP)
But how does an unrelated corpo imploding make Hololive less soulless and boring? And what does that have to do with indies?

>>102469468
>>102469925
>>102469468
>>102470132
>>102473811
>>102474277
God you're mad because the holoEN concert sold out 12k tickets but Nimi's didn't KEK

>giving half your money to a corpo
i will not buy merch or donate to girls in big corpos, Indie is the future

>>102469207 (OP)
Of all the ones that left Fauna was the only one that actually streamed.
This is like being mad at the Ferrari in your garage, that you NEVER drove, disappearing and now you have to drive your M5, which you did anyways. Then some loser on a bicycle comes by and says "you lost your fastest car, you will never make it to work in time now".

>>102469468
>Didn't affect their public perception or bottom-line in meaningful way.
Cover stock has yet to recover to the point before Gura's announcement.
While it did get close, it just allowed shareholders to quickly dump.
There have been many win announcements from Hololive, but not enough to rebuild confidence with the shareholders.

>>102469207 (OP)
>bleeding out talents
>winning
Is this a "The one-eyed man rules in the land of the blind" thing?

>>102473896
I don’t get this hate for cover. They want working gals. What’s so wrong with that?

>>102469676
you know why

>>102469606
Saba is also falling off hard.

>>102469207 (OP)
because they keep their women in line.

>>102469207 (OP)
western chuubas are mainly cancer due to cancer culture

>>102469207 (OP)
Right sentiment, wrong company.

>>102469606
They've all fallen off even Saba as noted by >>102476369. But to be charitable to Saba, she seems like she's a lot more comfortable with her smaller numbers.

>>102469468
Yeah and Hololive's still winning because everyone else fucked up even harder than they did. That's the amazing thing.

>>102469207 (OP)
>indies
Nice try /#/nig, but indies are doing better than ever. HoloEN is crippled, you will never be important in the US again. Only the Japs and GigaWeebs care about Hololive anymore.

>>102474381
>irrelevant
You've automatically lost. Hololive is dead outside of Japan. Any suggestion otherwise is Holonigger cope.

>>102469207 (OP)
All of vtubing is dying, holo is just dying slower than the rest

>>102476956
Just sold out 12k seats in America, stay mad

HoloEN just lost basically all of their top earners throughout this entire year and I expect it to continue until gen 1 is just Calli and Kiara and gen 2 is just Bae.

>>102476956
Nimi'is getting mogged by gigi right now.
Lost to holoID a few days ago

I hate to make the wrestling comparison, but this is totally Tony Khan fucking up AEW while WWE and NJPW just continues on

In the business we call OP 'fucking deluded'.

>>102477039
>Hololive has had 2 (TWO) SOLD OUT concerts in the US within the same year + a World Tour stop at AnimeNYC
>"Hololive is dead outside of Japan"
>Dooby, Nimi and their two tagalongs can't sell out a venue of 1.5k
>"Th-the age of I-indies is now!!"
???

She's next

The numbers are irrelevant. I won't watch Hololive no matter how many of you do. I will always watch the ex-Holo squad, no matter how few of you do. The preferences of a bunch of cringe-inducing self-hating Jap-worshipping weebs are not worth considering.

>>102478881
Hololive basically survives off of pure inertia of having already been the biggest and thus having all the tie ins, money, etc.despite having watered themselves into such a bland tasteless form that they're more comparable to swill or gruel as slop would be an upgrade. Congratulations to them on being the McDonald's of vtubing, I guess.

>>102469468
Two of the "top talents" Gura and Ame were lazy and hated their fans so much that they only ever did anything at all if their simp bucks started to run out. This went on for years too, just constantly doing nothing and always making excuses when they actually did turn up.

>>102479030
God I fucking hope so. I would love never having to hear her again or deal with her fucking retarded fanbase.

Anon if you ever want to start a vtuber company, hire hags in priority

>>102479889
I second this. Hags are more typically tolerable than younger women anyway

>>102469207 (OP)
The key is to treat your talents well enough that despite all the possible disagreements, none of them would explicitly shit on you even after their departure from the group.
Imagine if Nimi or Saba called Hololive a prison or hell like some other ex-corpo VTubers did, or outright drop a list of accusations on them, Hololive wouldn't have retained anywhere nearly as many fans as they managed to.

>corpo run by male
>anons are more fans of corpos than they are the talents
you all are gay

>>102479722
Also Amelia's 'older brother' that she didn't have before 2021.

>>102476956
Sorry but im never watching indies. They are literal whores who are willing to cuck you in the worst way possible

>>102480754
kek At least one of those two had a boyfriend, imagine the 3somes Gura, Ame, and said boyfriend had while laughing all the way to the bank

>>102469207 (OP)
This but Phase Connect

>>102469468
Holo really isn't the same without mumei, fauna, gura, ame, magni, and vesper.
Shit will get worse when bae and Altare leave.

>>102473474
What do you think the “English” in Hololive English means?

>>102479030
Based.
Wouldn't miss this BLM supporting leftist.

>>102482958
>magni, and vesper
>relevant
HAHAAHAHAAAAAA
OHOHOHOHOHOHOHO
EHEHEHEHEHEHE

>>102469468
If Ame debuted in Justice instead of Myth she would have been the absolute runt of all of Hololive.

>>102469207 (OP)
I mean. they're kinda shooting themselves in the dick regularly trying to get pushy about the AIDORU shit to talents that they know aren't about that, but god DAMN the other major players keep finding much bigger ways to fuck up, it's amazing.

>>102483336
>don’t want to do idol shit
>complain about not having enough opportunities
??????

>>102483202
They're gone so yes they're not relevant

>>102469468
>all the cope replies to this post

>>102483425
Altare grabbed as many opportunities he could got fucked by management, and went on a 5 month hiatus.

>>102480782
but enough about EN 5

>>102483336
Expo and Fes will ALWAYS be the worst time to be a fan. I have never given a fuck about it aside from the fact that everyone drops off the face of the earth at that time.

>>102469468
FPBP. Holodrones continue seething about it

>>102476829
honestly i think as her numbers drop off more i think it will be better for her.

>>102476829
>Donkey Kong
I will not watch
Come get me when she plays ys

>>102479103
>corpo bad twitchcommie had a shortcircuit over popular thing

>>102482792
The funniest part was her screaming about 'parasocials'.

Bitch, men who want to fuck you are the reason you no longer work at wendys. This is why holoen was a mistake, entitled burger flippers were coined millionaires overnight.

>>102479748
>>102483080
She will be last outliving Advent and you will like it, KFP won, 5 years soon bitch

>>102483495
Sorry, you might want to talk about the girls because 99% of /vt/ don't care enough about the homo to GAF if he was fucked, or to verify whether it was or wasn't justified

>>102484290
>verify whether it was or wasn't justified
If: homo = justified
If: not homo = black company.
There, simplified it for you.

>>102477099
I notice you're never around when shes doing 10-15k, or even 20k last night during the collab. Unfathomably mindbroken.

>>102484290
Management bullshit is always relevant and his was the most recent. If that scares you then go ahead and say so.

>>102482958
>Magni and Vesper
Pure cope. Those two faggots were such a huge waste of time that it mindbroke Kronii and Mori when they got the boot

>>102469207 (OP)
Replace the image with Phase

>>102483336
I have to wonder about the audition and vetting process they use, since they keep hiring ENs that don't seem to care at all about idolshit beyond singing karaoke.

>>102469207 (OP)
The good guys won!

>>102484210
not that anon but you obviously aren't a member, kiara has been signalling for awhile now that she doesn't see herself staying
>travel expenses to high
>refuses to move back to japan
>her love for japan has faded in general
>has achieved every goal she had in hololive besides a solo concert, she states management has no faith in her being able to sell enough tickets in japan and they refuse to do a concert overseas
>all of her favorite collab partners are now outside of hololive
>she's getting tired of the kiara persona, she appreciates all the fans she has but she does not like the baggage that the persona has gained throughout the years and wants to have a clean slate to reinvent herself
>she has been steadily increasing her IRL activity over the last year and wants to focus on things other than streaming and performing in hololive

she isn't keeping this a secret, the last 5 member streams has talked about all of these

>>102485166
>Management strikes again
MANY
SUCH
CASES

>>102485166
I know, but i think overall she has still in tank 2 more years

>>102485166
Mori and Ina are gonna be the last girls standing at this rate...

>>102476632
Careful... everyone who experienced corp death thought like you did...

>>102476829
>Freedom to play whatever she wants
>Plays platformer game that was already available to corpos

>>102486047
>Being a big streamer
>NOT playing fotm
Shiggy diggy

>>102477099
Bots doesn't count anon

>>102469207 (OP)
she didnt need to wait 2 weeks for a perms autist to get back to her before should could play it and she could switch to Resident Evil 4 right now mid stream or some barbie game, basic simple shit you just cant do in Holo but feel free to keep being retarded

>>102485166
>all of her favorite collab partners are now outside of hololive
>she's getting tired of the kiara persona, she appreciates all the fans she has but she does not like the baggage that the persona has gained throughout the years and wants to have a clean slate to reinvent herself

These two are just not true
Firstly, Fauna and Mumei had minimal collabs with her, and sadly just because of how little they streamed in their last two years, neither did Gura or Ame (although from their perspective, because of how little they streamed, Kiara was one of THEIR most common collab partners, but the opposite was not the case)
Secondly, there's just no indication that Kiara wants a "clean-slate", unless you're seriously overreading her distaste for her 2nd hat (and her first outfit in general), she obviously still likes her character and hasn't really shown any interest in making a new one.
Quite frankly when her career does end (and it will, just not soon) I do not see her becoming a vtuber again.

>>102486047
>>102486582

>>102484513
>or even 20k last night during the collab
Nigga is bragging about getting wellfare viewership from Saba kek

>>102469468
The one's that stayed love Hololive

>>102486582
Switching games mid-stream is such a dumb gimmick. If she wanted to give the finger to management, then she really ought to lift up indie games and then watch as those games get better review counts than holoIndie.

>>102476369
Saba is getting the same amount of live viewers that she got as Gura, like 20K on average stream. She's doing that with 1/3rd less subs.

>>102486582
>she didnt need to wait 2 weeks for a perms autist to get back to her before should could play it
She wouldn't need to wait at all since Nintendo gives Holo blanket perms and was one of the 1st companies to do so
I swear like half the fags who whine about perms know nothing about they actually work

>>102474403
Nimi lives rent free in your head, no one mentioned her.
>>102476829
She literally said she wants smaller numbers, the entire reason she left from Holo and made a song LITERALLY SAYING SHES TRAPPED is because she was tied of being in the spotlight.

I honestly don't know why how or why you would ever leave Hololive, imagine being such a lazy spoiled cunt that the idea of actually streaming something makes you sperg out
Like it or not Holo is the top dog, once you get in you're set for life

>>102489899
the biggest crime is that SNOT didn't even take the biggest blight with them, but I guess kronii wasn't really friends with them to begin with

>>102469468
A few words made people enter damage control mode so fast lol

>>102469207 (OP)
Winning

They lost of people this Year.
One of them was Gura.

>>102477129
Issue is NJPW is dog shit these days

>>102484709
Why

>>102489314
>5 layers of loli pandering to get big as fast as possible
>Day 1 merch that's at a very large convention to get big as fast as possible
Mixed messages here

>>102489314
>She literally said she wants smaller numbers, the entire reason she left from Holo
>she was tied of being in the spotlight.
?
>Spend the last few streams (streams that got more viewers than anything she's done since 2021) before her graduation no so subtly hinting that she plans on reincarnating
>Graduate
>Make new persona's social media accounts public
>Go back to your old PL twitter and link your new account in it's bio, removing any doubt that it's not you
>Spend weeks hyping up your new debut
If the plan was to avoid the spot light, then she did quite literally everything wrong lol

>>102486227
>>102486582
Real freedom is checking out your Art hashtag on stream because you're not afraid of randomly seeing R18 of yourself unlike corpos.
This would also tell viewers that you spend time on the community unlike the others who have to waste time on some dumb Summer voice lines that no one asked for.

>>102469468
>top talents
Wanna try that one again

>>102469468
>top talent
>Said "top talent" had a fucking husband
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, they dodged a bullet if anything

>>102469207 (OP)
They're pivoting heavily to idol activities and debuted a gen where 3/4 of the members sound like a Helen Keller with down-syndrome when they sing.

>>102488698
lift up indie games and then watch as those games get better review counts than holoIndie

Kaela did this and they appoint her as HoloIndie ambasssador