I Enjoy Large Breasts Edition

Welcome to /xvsj+/! A thread to discuss vtubers who were once associated with a hot pink company.

Nothing's changed since the last thread keep things comfy, etc.

Image source: https://x.com/jamesloves_art/status/1947344488952897571

/xvsj+/ includes:
Amalee - https://www.twitch.tv/leeandlie
Froot - https://www.twitch.tv/apricot
Geega - https://www.twitch.tv/geega
Haruka - https://www.twitch.tv/harukakaribu
Henya - https://www.twitch.tv/henyathegenius
Hestia - https://www.twitch.tv/hestiahappiness
Hime - https://www.twitch.tv/hajime
Hotaru - https://www.twitch.tv/akatsukidhotaru
Kson - https://www.twitch.tv/ksonsouchou
Kuro - https://www.twitch.tv/k9kuro
Mata - https://www.twitch.tv/matarakan
Mel - https://www.twitch.tv/projektmelody
Michi - https://www.twitch.tv/michimochievee
Mouse - https://www.twitch.tv/ironmouse
Nagi - https://www.twitch.tv/NagIsekaied
Nazuna - https://www.twitch.tv/amemiyanazuna
Nyan - https://www.twitch.tv/nyanners
Peke - https://www.twitch.tv/pekeispeak
Silver - https://www.twitch.tv/silvervale
Vei - https://www.twitch.tv/vei
Zen - https://www.twitch.tv/zentreya

Related:
/vsjp/ + /voms/ for VShojo Japan and VOMS Project discussion
/lig/ and /big/ for more generalized + and friends discussion

Previous thread: >>102483015

The whale is live.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJssMDwogAM&t=36s
Mel lied, corpo died.

Should have made official porn in order to finance the org

Vshojo Situation is Crazy

Just realized Geega sloppa is back on the menu boys

>>102486579
>>102486624
Wasn't Asmon surprisingly one of the few retarded rightwing culture warriors who actually looked into the Froot situation and took her side?

i am
inevitable
fuck you

Mouse lost

>>102486742
Bao's not live

>>102486742
but silver isn't live

mouse is going to need to make all new art for her waiting screens and backgrounds now

I just hope the novas are ok

>>102486778
lol
lmao even

>>102486787
check fansly

>>102486742
Fuck you, Vei is not live

>>102486778
No, and kill yourself.

>>102486778
Worse
He dragged her through the mud, got his legion of brownnosers to harass her, then came out after the fact and said she's probably innocent. Oopsy xD

i hate MouseyDawg thumbnails

How does this affect the Twitch Awards best org nomination?

Fill in the blank:

>>102486778
depends on what situation you're talking about. he sided with silver during the wizard game stuff. he might have sided with her when she posted her dockey but i didn't think that situation was worth coming back for.

>>102486778
https://vocaroo.com/1jFYTll5Oazn

fixed tweet is out haha

I miss lewd waifu Mouse but more than anything I love Mouse.

>>102486778
looked into it is generous, but I think he deleted his video about it

I wonder if GunRun had no idea..
i remember Him SAVING Kuro from debt right

Mouse watching Pete

apologize

>>102486831
>>102486847
>>102486852
Who am I thinking of then? There was someone I was expecting a retarded take from who took her side
There were so many people who jumped onto that that I can't keep it straight

>>102486861

>>102486778
No, he tore into her and believed every single rrat. Then took the video down after "getting other information" and said he would make a follow up when the cheating was corroborated.

>>102486778
imagine saying something in defense of asmongold here, imagine
don't you know he's RIGHTWING?

>>102486911
Stream, bitch.

>>102486861
This is Kson speaking, we just skinned Gunrun alive five minutes ago

>>102486742
I wonder what Candii has to say about this.

>>102486911
only if she collabs with mouse

>>102486861
vshojo doesn't have a community anymore

>>102486813
so that's why she got a new offline picture thing

>>102486860
bullish, now more people know about the org

>Vei won
This is the worst timeline

VEI RTX

>>102486778
No he made it worse like the fucking idiot he is

here's that aethel clip of him being asked if he'd join vshojo, someone in chat actually said $500k first kek, seems like a coincidence
https://files.catbox.moe/9ljq8u.mp4

>>102486935
Where was THIS leadership in the last year

>>102486902
I liked the prison one more.

>>102486992
Where's the pregnant belly?

>>102486856

>>102486932
Who gives a fuck? Everybody except rrat poisoned Holo/Phase retards took her side. You found one of the grifter fags who didn't.

>>102486911
>doesnt stream
>does more seggs than nyanners
its so over vsj bros

Okay but what if the money just vanished on its own. Have you thought about that?

I just want Gunrun to just release the IDF money. Please

save nova

hina's live weighing in on the situation

>>102486861
>We're shutting down lol

You dont mess with the GunRun. Mouse is about to regret it

>>102487005
It is a coincidence when you consider that before that the price he responded to was 2 million.

190k

It just sounds too preposterously stupid to do something so easily discovered
>hey mouse, IDF here, are you going to send that half a mil soon we were cojnting on or??
ig if she has lawyers involved there must be some merit thoughbeit

so was this all the fault of that creepy hololive en manager they hired that kaho talked about?

Does anyone know how Mel arranged her Japan move? Was it a work VISA through Vshojo? If Vshojo goes under she's going to be screwed.

>never apologized
>leaves
nothing personality kid

>>102487080
anon you think he has the money? liquid?

>>102486910
I appreciate Pete but every time I tune in I always feel I'm listening to a guy trying to get me to join a freaky church.

>>102486778
No, but bizarrely the owner of Kiwi Farms (who hates both vtubers and Brits) took her side.

Given the circumstances
Important poll

https://poal.me/vxrtv4
https://poal.me/vxrtv4
https://poal.me/vxrtv4

>>102487130
yeah mouse claimed she was owed a "significant sum of money" but the only quantity she gave was the $500k to IDF, wonder what it is they owe her, could potentially be more if they're sweating over $500k to charity

>>102487135
You assume it was a planned move and not just them being retarded and shit at handling their own finances

>>102487113
I'll be honest, any retaliation from anyone at vshojo will go really really fucking bad. Mouse is untouchable at the moment and it would take something extreme for her not to be right now.

>>102487151
She blew the emperor.

>>102486932
Maybe it was a Phase girl?

>>102487075
Gunrun hire this anon, he just saved the company

i kind of think they took the 500k to cover costs and pay their delinquent commissions thinking they could recoup the money after their next round of merch or whatever and still get the donation in afterwards with that new money.
but then the IDF contacted mouse and she started asking questions

>>102486861
>FUCK

>>102487151
It was arranged after vshojoJP became a thing was it not? Which means her visa is 3000% tied to the company
So yes, she is fucked. And not in the typical way

Now we really know why they call him Gunrun

>>102486932
Oh. It's one of those drama guys. I don't remember the name.

>>102486861

>>102487135
My wild guess is they had some outstanding debt to pay off and would make the donations with future earnings or something. Idk how else to make rational business sense of it

>>102487233
delinquent commissions? qrd? deepest lore?

>>102487135
they were probably delaying and making excuses for a while thoughbeit

>>102487271
forgiven

>>102487075
I never thought about that. This is what I get for believing women

I'm interested to see how all this develops, but I'm just gonna keep posting Zen's tits in /big/

Holy shit,
Pete is an underviewed streamer for sure.
That AD was wild.

>>102486861

so silver was right

>>102487075
You may want to flesh out this legal strategy some Gun

In these trying times we need more giantess posts

I honestly don't care if vei won or not, I wanna be back in her chat like the old days

ironmouse used chatgpt for her script btw
think about that for a second

>>102487357
Mouse and Monke hype him up a lot for a reason. Unfortunately he tends to play a lot of older more obscure games that a lot of people don't love to watch. The horse game has been crazy for him in comparison.

>>102486860
I doubt that category is gonna be a thing, what with OTK, OTV and Vshojo dying.
Only thriving streamer orgs I can think off are Faze and AMP.

>>102487357
he looks fake. can't stand his toxic positivity

Very close to 200k

>>102487237
If the company dissolves she has to find work for another JP company or she has to leave, depsite just moving, right? Moving even across the same city is awful. I can't even imagine how much worse it is to do interntaionally, and then to instantly have to uproot again and go back. Obviously there are worse things that will come out of all this, but that's awful.

WHERE WAS THE LAST REPORTS OF HIS WHEREABOUTS?

>>102487399
I feel for you Hexer

i care very much that vei won bigly.

is over v2

>>102487367
this has nothing to do with silver

>>102487382
giantess org.... no. giantess world!

>>102487362

>>102487436
Essentially yes

>>102487272
When you factor in the various tweets of artists talking about delayed payments it does seem to fit the puzzle. But for all we know it's just plain ol some retard in the company embezzling, which somehow lead to the shorts in the first place.

>>102487243
i wish more got those toggles.

>>102487357
The first time I saw him on cycleathon I assumed he was like some big boy streamer who was nice enough to join Connor's event lol

>>102487362
haha

>>102487468
Is that only 3 left now

>>102487468
probably talked with Kson. maybe a good sign

They made a kong sexy

>>102487468
so they all saw the proof from mouse?

>>102487468
oof
She probably got to discuss this with Kson now, makes sense.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
WHAT THE FUCK I WAS NOT LOOKING, IT'S REALLY OVER EVEN HENYA

>>102486861

And it gets worse; Kaho claims someone from VShojo was sharing their IRL pictures during meetings

https://x.com/Shibukaho/status/1947445892514254869

>>102487433
>toxic positivity
Stop throwing buzzwords around,
You're deff a tectone viewer for sure.

y'all remember the sinder situation? lol!

real talk, where did it all go wrong? and dont say vei leaving

Look on the bright side, this massive org-killing drama finally got us some audition updates!

>>102487151
She arranged it herself after working on it for two years.

>>102487583
That was a few hours ago anon. Keep up

>>102487552
bro, if I ask my manager if this is true and they can't tell me emphatically no I'm running

>>102487583
We saw that last thread. Also False covered it.

>>102487583
zzz
late to the party.

>>102487592
this would have been the perfect time to stream, kek

>>102487547
flat as a pancake

Even if VShojo goes under, most of the members will probably be fine on their own. But I’m kinda worried about the NOVA crew.

>>102487613
Vei joining

>>102487468
what level of 'oof' are we right now?

>>102487272
reminds me of what happened to Ludwig's event production company. Which also had his sponsor revenue come through it and pay out to him. Which the guy in charge of the finances instead tapped into to pay their bills as their normal revenu wasn't enough, ending up stealing like 2 million from Ludwig, while also not paying taxes.

>>102487613
>where did it all go wrong?
Vei leav-
>and dont say vei leaving
Uh... Nyan leaving

>>102487583
You're late, thst was posted two threads ago.

>>102487583
Wow! This is even more surprising the 4th time it's been posted!

>>102487613
In 2023 covid money dried up so in 2024 they were scrapping for money that led to this shit show

>>102487613
they signed vei

What does Vei have to say about all this?

>>102487362
Is you gonna give it back?

Another 2023 possible pick up

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2518776476?t=5h26m1s
Moonmoon has made a comment about the situation.

>>102487667
oof Level: It's All Oofer

>>102487613
When Geega the PR machine left, that's when I knew it was over. I knew something bad was happening behind the scenes.

>>102487731
whowho

>>102487721
I don't think she can because NDA shit

>>102487613
nyan and vei stopped visiting /vsj/

>>102487667

>>102487171
>I always feel I'm listening to a guy trying to get me to join a freaky church.
Totally opposite for me. He gives junior high teacher trying to be hip vibes. IF you enjoy someone rambling about old famicom, or just old ass Japanese games in general, then he's entertaining

>>102487171
Well he is a 40 year old boomer from the US.
Just like me.

>>102487724
auditions were real?

>>102487468
>they fucked up so badly that even Henya is /out/
oof dayo

>>102487721
She will declare victory as she has won

This was VShojo's auditions pick by the way

https://x.com/PiaPiUFO/status/1947448712529383530

>>102485174
Literal black magic, and the fact Michi has an actual shaman bloodline on both sides of the family doesn't provide any comfort. I'm starting to believe she willed this into existence.

>>102487755
the fuck is vshojo gonna do about it lmao

>>102487613
VC funds probably dried up and they started getting weird about money.

Good night, anons. This stuff is juicy but I'm too tired to stay up and read gossip all night. See you all in the morning!

jesus the mouse,kson,froot, even henya antis are talking mae shit with baithreads wtf

>>102487171
I think that's because he looks like Jesus

Man I Love Froot
(and haruka but please wake up and take vshojo out of your name please)

>>102487731
>itsreal
oh my fucking god
>>102487782
Nah, this was the pick ups that were GEEGA, Mata and Kuro. Ama and Shoto were also there I guess.

>>102487613
It had already gone to shit when the ultra instinct Angel immediately clocked the company.
She's the first person to talk about Vshojo misleading her.

>>102487613
The first auditions.

i hope froot is next.
bitch

geex already moving in

>>102487773
He always gives me the fun substitute teacher vibes lol

>>102487367
>had to explain the "no 18+ art in your twitters or we can't get you sponsors!" change during her stream, Vshojo contradicted her to save face and not look like they were controlling content like they said they wouldn't
>never got merch because "her numbers weren't good enough"
>never got pushed by the agency
>couldn't get a sponsored stream for over a year
>didn't get a lick of help from the agency when she was harassed

I hate that fucking wizard game, but Vshojo did Silver dirty at every turn. Whatever went on between Mouse and Silver is between them, but at best Vshojo just dicked Silver around for three years. At worse, who knows, Vshojo might have even sewed discord between its talents.

>>102487788
>We could have gotten Pia
I FUCKING HATE YOU, YOU GREEDY SLEEZY FUCKING BACKPACK MAN, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>102487613
Real answer? If I had to guess, and I don't know shit at all, but Gunrun and MTD have always been a tech nerd and a hype man / shitposter respectively and both came to realize that if they really wanted to make VShojo bigger they needed more people who know what the fuck they were doing with the business side of vtubing and then hired some people to run things while they could focus on the things they were good at. Those people turned out to be crooks or filanderers or, likely, just incompetent because they were never good with their previous jobs either. Ultimately, the buck stops with Gun, but we did note that at one point we didn't know how big VShojo Inc was and then all of a sudden we started noticing execs all over the place. All speculation, but yeah. The new people were finks or frauds. Until I know more, this is all I can do.

>>102487788
Well that would have been very underwhelming.

>>102487788
>there's actually a gen in waiting
KEK

>>102487838
With connor being owned by them, I feel like there's a massive chance she goes that route

>>102487724
So auditions actually went well to have offers and people still rejected them

>vshojo will soon cease to exist as a company
>all NDAs will become null and void
who is going to cast the first dockey?

>>102487893
Auditions were 2024
Recruitment was 2023

>>102487875
we missed out on pia
fuck
what a fumble
who the fuck is pia?

>>102487901
Probably nobody. Some comments for sure though

>>102487886
nta but she's a good streamer
the whole point was small indies so idk what you expected

>>102487773
>>102487841
>guy that used to teach gives off teacher vibes
Yeah, that was probably honed by his time with the kids.

>>102487892
>Connor sabotaged Vshojo so Mouse can move under his bank account

>>102487788
>all that waiting for this
no wonder vshojo is struggling financially

>>102487613
This has probably been going on in the background for a while. It wouldn't surprise me if this wasn't the first time they did it but the first time they got caught.

>>102487893
it was just to keep apearances of a functioning vtuber company, no one was supposed to join from those, only nepo hires were allowed.

>>102487788
damn, we were actually washed

>>102487901
Vei

>>102487893
Suddenly, it makes much more sense that it was Haruka that ended up joining

Since Mouse wasnt awfully close to most other Vshojos, and Zen seems to be keeping her distance from a fair amount of them, I think its fair to say there is no leader figure at the moment. What happens next? Will everyone just go their own seperate ways? Mouse with Connor, Zen with her friends, Michi and Kuro, and I guess everyone else just to whatever. I dont see much collabs in the future.

>>102487005
Except for the fact he paused and his eyes were shuffling around when he read the 500k. He was probably debating if he should joke about that number before reading it out. I 100% believe he knew when saying that. And I wonder if the 2 million is the total VShojo owes Mouse + IDF.

Zen update

>>102487956
>connor is IDF's favorite
>he conspired with them to hide the 500k
>shamalamadingdong
>vshojo is dead, mouse is his

>>102487901
Geega

>>102488001
and the mouse vs zen plot thickens

>>102487956
Connor is not trustworthy.
I just hope he doesn't hurt Mouse.

Link it or sneed it?

I'm like this for the novas

>>102487936
Really cute slime, nice voice, decent singer

>>102487986
She would, though

>>102487788
You know what, I could see it. She fits the vibe from the clips. Too bad things fell through like this.
https://www.twitch.tv/piapiufo/clip/CrispySassySwanPupper-r82_dNpWu5R2xMZE

>>102487977
It's normal to do this with whatever funds a company has control over. Spending money put aside for retirement, for example, happens all the time.

>>102488034
>israel

>>102488001
>angry with you all
As in she's mad along side us, or mad at us? Make your english make sense you fucking toaster.

>>102487694
>>102487805

Real talks right there. Vshojo was built at the top of the covid wave, where Mel alone was making 7 figures a year, and each initial talent was most likely in the high 6 figures each. At the time, being a company running only off merch sales worked because those were also through the roof.

Come 2024 and a lot of the talents shrinked to their core audience, who sparsely buy merch because they already have a lot of it, and would rather dono sub or commission art etc. Vshojo saw the wind blowing and tried to switch to getting all earnings from talents, which led to many of the big ones leaving, and many of the other ones being demotivated and shrinking even more. After that, they pretty much only had Mouse as an actual big earner for the company, and probably bled money every month, eventually having to use the money they owned to Mouse to try to keep afloat, hoping for a rebound that never came.

>>102487613
Unironically the 3 leaving.
Not that I blame them. But I suspect after everyone started renegotiating their contracts all of a sudden their business model started making a whole less sense.

>>102488032
he'll leave that to his good buddy Hasan

>>102488001
>Zen wanted Mouse to out vshojo but Mouse still felt bad and didn't want to.
Maybe?

>>102488037
Stop death gripping your "pencil" bro...

>>102488001
>>102487901

>>102487997
It's sad man. It's going to be 84 years later until Henya starts collabing with anyone

>>102487622
Just like Vei got into the states.

>>102488094
>>102488034
>Saba followed Mouse before Henya
Weird times.
I think even Nimi said something

>>102488001
That last bit was badly phrased desu

connor i know youre here
im not saying anything but...
ironmouse
saba
vei
neuro sama
uruha

think about it. you have the money do it pussy,

I just came out of Tibetan prison for "Picking quarrels and provoking trouble" and I see this chaos? what happened?

>>102487997
Almost everyone aside from Mouse was a Zen orbiter, so I imagine they'll still be kidnapped periodically.

>>102488075
HAHA

If this is the end, I'm gonna miss posting with you guys.

>>102488102
curb yer autism friend, it's obvious what she means

>>102487613
>silver is told mouse matters more than her because #'s
>mouse is told she is literally holding vshojo up on her shoulders and must perform well or everyone fails
>mouse locks in and only prioritizes a handful of people
>silver feels ignored by vshojo's golden goose
you can probably blame gun for "what is a friend"

>>102488167
Gunrun said that he is a Knicks fan

>>102487893
I've always felt that after the first 3 leavers the well was poisoned enough that popular experienced vtubers wouldn't want to join Vshojo. So a good portion of the audition delay was because the actual good picks turned Vshojo down and they had to try a lot harder to find people who wouldn't.

>>102488103
>and tried to switch to getting all earnings from talents,
Sauce on this? Everyone's still on the train that they sacked Matara because of the Bricky shit, which undermines them getting a cut from merch.

Michi, come home...
After Niji she probably felt like VShojo was a paradise

So, is this the 9/11 of VTubers or nah

>>102488145
I'm gonna laugh my ass off if Nazuna is the last one with Vshojo in her handle

>Look at the catalog
>

>>102488194
I saw the writing on the wall with Zen but I came back to see what happened

Jesus fuck its not stopping man

>MIA vtubers like Kuro and Froot having the nerve to have any opinion at all
Like they're anything other than a complete financial drain on the company to begin with. They absolutely contributed to this shitshow.

>>102488162
if your CEO is pussy like Connor, org will go under too

>>102487901
won't be much left if things keep going

>>102488217
no you didn't, as that makes no chronological sense

>>102487901
NDA doesn't actually prevent you from talking about mistreatment or fraud or anything like that. They can be written as if they do, but that's never enforced by courts and companies that try to do so get sanctioned. An NDA can protect trade secrets and or business practices or upcomming plans or former plans that never worked out, for example. A laywer telling you not to talk about anything is just being lazy by not walking you through what is and isn't covered. Or maybe they know you won't listen and understand where the lines are and silence is actually the best possible legal advice they could give.

>>102487613
Vshojo poached a manager from HoloEN... Omega, you do the math

>>102487667
oof to the nth degree

>>102488028
>mouse vs zen plot
why the fuck would she donate 5k to someone she hates?

>>102488162
>vei over shylily
yea fuck off, but then again, i dont think the twitch cheap knockoff of gawr gura would be allowed in the same org

>>102488264
Just how broke is this fucking company?

>>102488229
Yeah...

>>102488264
>>102487286

>Literal Infant banned from /vp/
>Matara leaves Vshojo
>Geega leaves Vshojo
>Zentreya leaves Vshojo
>Ironmouse leaves Vshojo
>the other VShojo Talents start removing vshojo from their twitter bios
See what happened, mods? You banned Literal Infant, the GLUE holding Vshojo together.

>>102488114
>felt bad and didn't want to
More like is currently in the process of lawyering up and getting everything in order so she really fucking can't shout it from the rooftops right now.

>>102488194
We're all just gonna end up in /big/

>>102488194
I think we can stay as /xvsj+/

>>102488230
The artists all coming out of the woodwork >>102488264 is very similar to what happened to NijiEN. The only difference is that Anycolor has NijiJP to fall back on and thet will never die, Vshojo has no such luck.

>>102488230
The Doki shit was worse, but this one just started so it might surpass it depending on how sociopathic Vshojo's response is

>>102488167
Something happened in the very short few weeks between "I'm never leaving VShojo" to today.

>>102488264
Damn, the Nijis probably felt right at home in the company

>>102488227
>Sauce on this?
His ass.

>>102488349
I don't think any vtuber company likes paying artists tbqhwyfam

>>102488333
Turns out being nice is hard once you run out of money

oof

>>102488320
timeline doesn't line up

>>102488362
did mouse really say that just weeks ago? oof

>>102488376
>nijification is contagious

https://x.com/LukyYuki/status/1947484912396734879

>>102488331
You know all those Tik Toks of Zoomers getting paid to do nothing during the Pandemic doing their day in the life making 300k.


Yeah.

>>102488307
I'm talking about the second audition. The one we've been waiting on for a year now.

>Jelly died
>Company went under
Man.

>>102488194
>>102488344
you niggas are fucking blind

>>102488354
Mouse is pretty big + charity scam buff
it might get up there with doki stuff
It might even pass it if vshojo responds at all with anything that isnt dissolving the company

>>102488230
Mouse joining the indie avengers. corpodrone /#/ cucks are shaking in their boots.

>>102488230
I've had questions about the business side of Vshojo for a long time. A lot of those questions are getting finally answered.

>not on any tweets
her silence is deafening. winners do be just watching and waiting.

>>102488248
bots

>>102488264
More

>>102488354
It doesn't get worse than trying to get one of your talents to kill herself to silence her, what the fuck could they possibly say that would ever be worse?

>>102488449
>Jelly was unironically right

>>102488078
For sure with things like profits, I don't think they can do that with promised money raised for a charity.

>>102488362
Yes, it's called Mouse finding out that Vshojo owes her (and IDF) huge money.

>>102488324
it was hate-donation

>>102487583
my rrat is it's that ryo guy. he's always replying or just tweeting to contact people by saying he's with vshojo.

>>102488515
no joke who?

>>102488491
Our love for the talents and their well being made us sure we were in right hands. We were fools, not anymore. We aren't the bad guys, as we love our talents more than the pink V.

That's it, I'm exclusively only watching Maid Mint Fantome streams from now on.

>>102488227
No direct source but obviously there was a big contract renegotiation that led Vei, Silver and Nyanners to leave even though they were still friends with all the talents at the time. Kson talked about "50% is such a bad deal" and everybody thought it was a jab at Cover but in reality it could've well be a jab at Vshojo. Then there's Kuro and Zen messages saying that they also have legal proceeding vs Vshojo, which wouldn't make sense if Vshojo wasn't directly getting their earnings from Twitch, which further leads to the idea that Vshojo switched to getting all their talent earnigns and redistributing them after taking their cut.

It's also the most logical way to go, as OBVIOUSLY merchs sales weren't doing it for years, and Vshojo went really quiet after the trio left about how revenue was generated, focusing on "talent freedom" instead.

She won

>>102488496
As a dramafrog, I'm eating well tonight

vei was right about everything.
it took me 4 yrs but damn.

>>102488408
It took her a year to notice these funds never existed?

>>102488354
What could they even do? Bringing up a lawsuit would be suicide, if it's even possible.

>>102488515
GUNRUN KILLED JELLY

>>102488577
they have bee starving and a cow just got dropped in a pool of piranhas

>>102488103
>Vshojo saw the wind blowing and tried to switch to getting all earnings from talents, which led to many of the big ones leaving, and many of the other ones being demotivated and shrinking even more
If they really tried, they would have failed at it because the 3 left and the contract of others got better. So they tried to push harder on their cuts, failed, and caved.
The biggest problem is vshojo not having any viable business plans to become better, sustain itself and grow. Being a corpo that does nothing except helping the members run errands is never going to be profitable. They ran out of money and tried to use the cash from some members to fill the holes left by other money losing projects.
In the end a talent freedom org doesn't work, it's either a faceless agency that specializes in sponsors or a full vtuber corpo like hololive. Vshojo tried to be both and failed to become good at anything.

>>102488565
I'm so sorry

>>102487731
Who's gonna tell him they're still gonna mog his fleshbag regardless?

>>102488449
>Jelly
???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsv0U6cTiHw
>"""Talent Freedom"""
>NDAed out the ass
So it really was black all along

so i stopped watching and have been mostly out of the loop since just before Vei, Silver and Nyan left. id been meaning to come back here to see how things were going in general etc, but i suppose thats all irrelevant now. I remember watching Mouse back before Vshojo was a thing and its been so nice to see her and others success. i remember when they were all together, excited to announce their new company. all for it to end on such a sour note.

i wonder how slap anon is doing.

is moose still cute?

>>102487613
uninformed hypothetical answer?
Day 1
taking a small cut of talent income is great on a moral level and an excellent way to attract talent but questionable as a long term strategy. if profitability declines far enough and costs keep rising, the only solution is to try to INCREASE the cut you get after the fact which is going to be almost impossible to convince most of the talents to accept when they can easily leave and still be successful.

>>102488565
Dude, you don't have to hurt yourself over this.

>>102488654
Pet Schizo

>>102488618
Doxx everyone

>>102488145
outdated anon lmao, better check the profiles again

>>102488686
I haven't seen that name in a while

>>102488672
Moose is still cute

>>102488657
Anon, that's not what talent freedom means.

>>102488217
You don't have to defend VShojo anymore brother

>no nazuna
>no vei
>no nyan
>no shylily
>no mouse
....
>they got project melody and hime.
yea... is the tanking off season bros.

>false: "phase wins by doing nothing"

>>102488720
That's because he is dead (like legit dead, not in a meme way)

Do you think Zen didn't streams today because she still in talks with mouse and knows this is coming out today,

>>102488324
virtue signalling

>>102488672
>is moose still cute?
Yes as always

>>102488608
She was trusting Vshojo with numbers, and was probably not following closely the accounting for a while. When she wanted control back and put order in her own books, she realized the heist happening.

Imagine that you're earning several millions a year, if the company paying say you've earned 5M, but in reality it's 7M, you're more likely than not to not notice, especially when you come from a poor upbribing like Mouse is.

>>102487881
When will Gunrun make a statement then? He is the CEO.

>>102488491
I strongly suspect there was a distinct shift behind the scenes some time last year.

>>102488706
>outdated
Yeah, by years. Nazuna and Nyan were still in. It's a reference to an ancient prediction that came true.

>>102488627
The talent freedom angle is irrelevant. VShojo did jack shit to promote its talents and get them sponsorships. The whole agency was The Ironmouse Show once Silver, Vei and Nyanners left. Imagine if Hololive only promoted Calli and never said a thing about FuwaMoco after their debut. VShojo couldn't even be bothered to help Froot get a decent internet connection.

Hime will unironically be the last one with Vshojo in her twitter.

>>102488562
A guy that used to spam the thread because Nazuna's model looked like his VRChat model or something.

>>102488621
>Gunrun's plan was flawless and no sane person could put the pieces together
>But one man was schizo enough to connect the dots and he was killed for it
RIP TO A REAL ONE

i never thought i'd see the group that got me into vtubers go out like this

haruka removed vshojo from her twitter

I kept saying that giving the talents "advice" but not orders was just a manipulative way to have rules without having "rules"

Mel and Hime are still /in/
It's not over yet

>>102487613
2024
They were directionless after recruiting Henya, the exNijis and GEEGA. And having failed to get Amalee and secured Shoto. They were out of options. All their past shit started to caught up to them, all their investments were shit, merch had multiple issues that even some talents (Matara) had to take hands on it. Zen did offer the idea of auditions, but it was too late, and definitely the charity shit wasn't the way to do it.

>>102488809
So basically Gunrun just gaslit Mouse into being his piggy bank and tried to coast off that doing fuck all else

>>102488848
ngl better for shit to blow up at once than for people to slowly leave while leaving the audience in the dark

>>102488771
How?

I've removed vshojo from my twitter

>>102488824
You mean Melody?

>>102488473
This. I never understood how vshojo stayed afloat for as long as they did. They took absolutely fucking forever to get any merch out and were not doing that many sponsorships compared to other companies. I figured they were just using venture capital money in hopes to stay afloat until they had some sort of consistent revenue come in.

If they were having issues paying even the smallest bills like some people are saying, they were FUCKED for a long time.

>>102488856
sad she was so excited to join and it only gave her grief.

>>102488874
Hime probably forgot she was a vtuber

>>102488856
2 left

Vshojo has been removed from Twitter

>>102488764
Who's defending Vshojo? The point is that it was obvious to people in the know that joining Vshojo was a bad decision.

vei must be laughing right now

>>102488856
HUGE blow to vshojo

>>102488856
Based moose, hope she's okay

>>102488901
Hi Haruka, please stream

I've added vshojo to my twitter

>>102488900
People die when they are killed

>>102488901
We know Kuro, we saw.

>>102488196
I don't care how big a rrat this is, I believe it.

>>102488876
>And having failed to get Amalee and secured Shoto
What? Shoto declined. Amalee is in.

>>102488911
No, Hime will be the last one standing.

>>102488943
Hi Hime, please stream

COMING UP ON 200K

desu as a mousefag the only concern I really have about her leaving vshojo is the possibility of her, like some other excorpos for god knows what reason, cozying up to fucking phaseconnect

>>102488874
How does this even got under mels nose.

What if the real problem is that Gunrun misread the forms and accidentally donated the $500k to the wrong IDF?

>>102488354
>We may be in the time line where Gunrun himself, comes out and sues/doxs all the talents for NDA/Defamation in one grand attempt to silence them
Can you imagine

>>102488959
Explain Tupac then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Moj479XTI&t=392s
bros

>>102489010
We joked about this earlier and it would be so fucking funny

>>102488995
Its going to be over a million before Mouse does her charity stream.

>>102488915
The bad news in all of this is that more likely than not, the IDF, Mouse, Kuro, Zen and others will never see the money they are due. Vshojo probably has close to 0 cash reserves, they'll declare bankruptcy, and since they have close to 0 assets as well, nothing is gonna get paid.

There'll be legal proceedings attacking the owners of Vshojo as well as top level execs who enabled this, but to this day we only know of GunRun, none of the other public execs worked on the financial side of things, and we don't know how the ownership is made.

I'm not sure why people are monitoring Twitter handles and stuff for changes, like the company is going to survive this. They're done. They lost their two biggest revenue-generators in the span of a few weeks, and their reputation is in the dirt.

I was a supporter of what VShojo seemed to stand for as a company - taking care of their talent behind the scenes, letting them do their thing, refusing to touch the money they earned without any work from the company (stream revenue), etc. It's one thing for a business model to just not work and close up shop. You tried to make something better and it didn't work - shit happens. That they were doing THIS is just awful.

Ultimately I'm a fan of talent and not a corp, so I hope the girls stick together and maybe even become closer because of. But my disgust at VShojo for trying to stay afloat by doing this is immeasurable. I await the white text on black background tweet that they are shutting down.

here is rrat: Vshojo pushed away all big chuubas to make a space for an army of 2views they got from auditions

>>102488998
More likely scenario is that Mouse just ends up becoming fully part of the CDawgVA extended universe

>>102487613
cozy wolf leaving.

indie bitches dayo

>>102488864
It's not so much like they didn't have rules, they just didn't have any real way to enforce them, they had no real power over the talents

anybody here autistic enough to stalk vshojo on linkedin?

>>102488971
Yes, that's what I meant.
Shoto wasn't secured
And Amalee was only failed due to a contract stuff.
Both were literally money makers.

>>102489045
no why would you do this
:(

i have blocked ironmouse in X

>>102488998
i don't think any of the phaseconnect girls are interested in collabing with mousey

>>102488809
>VShojo did jack shit to promote its talents and get them sponsorships.
Correct they suck at their jobs but you also can't promote talents without being guaranteed that they would stay. This is why cover owns the ips of vtubers, so they can invest in them knowing that these will never escape them without major penalties.

>>102489010
Hope they played Starry Connection while throwing those missiles

>>102487592
we all thought the bullshit hellbitch was pulling was going to be vtuber scandal of the year until gunrun said "hold my gfuel." now, she cant even be the most scandalous scumbag.

zentreya donated to mouse's thing. idiots.

>>102489022
That was just a projection on a screen, it wasn't actually Tupac.

>>102489045
oof

>>102489089
The same way they had no power over Mouse when they said they needed her or the company can't survive without her.
Its abusive manipulative tactic

>>102489093
>are you man enough to apply for new CEO and steady this ship?

>>102488998
That never happens. The only reason you think it's a possibility is because Phasefags are absolutely desperate to pretend they're not irrelevant and spam this board out of all proportion to their actual numbers.

lud on the tale

Hey wanna hear a joke? Vshitshowkeks
"Talent freedom"
Hahahahahahahaha

>>102488995
it so easy to separate gullible people from their money.
I predict 2, no 3! new Mouse outfits funded by this charity

Gunrun-san went to Disney with the gang and played chess with Michi. He's one of the good ones, right?

>>102489139
b-b-b-b-but muh narrative, they hate each other, she just donated out of spite

>>102489180
that title format is copyrighted to normie jesus baka he gon get sued

What about the original indie bitches, have they said anything?

>>102489186
freeing the talents from the burden of money

>>102489124
They fuck off anyway.
Fags here keep yapping about how talent freedom is a mistake but all these corpos who are doing things "the right way" are bleeding long-time talents.

>>102489139
uhh dats jus virtue thignalling

>>102489214
Tiltify sends the money directly to the charity. Mouse never sees any of it

>>102489234
Vei said on discord it was all her idea

Hime will be the last remaining VSHOJO soldier

>>102489167
well yeah, but that's not real power. that can only go so far
as we saw today

>>102489167
Bro, if all it takes for you to fold is complimenting you as being the hard carry of the org then you deserve to be manipulated. Have the backbone to say "thanks for the vote of confidence but I'll pass for now".

lol lmao

>>102489234
Nyan lets Aethel speak for the castle.

>>102488897
To be fairer to VShojo than they deserve, they had been doing that since the beginning. Once the debut numbers settled, they could see Nyanners and Mouse were the top streamers (Vei too for a bit, before her mental illness became terminal). You could already see stuff like how Nyanners would get that FF14 sponsored stream but Silver, being the MMO gremlin she is, got jack. Or how Nyanners had that first wave of awesome birthday merch (the socks, the mug with her face in the microwave) and Zen and Silver two weeks later basically had template merch (a shirt and a mouse mat). Vei could get a Pop-Up Parade, despite joining after VShojo started. Silver, Zen, Froot and Mel got zip.

200k reached

>>102489268
fucking knew it

Hotaru too

>>102488145
Does hime even count as a member?
She streams so infrequently that I just assumed she was a joke thing.

>>102489287
Silver left over numbers

>>102488229
Can she and the others remove the V tramp stamp without legal consequences?

Sad Hotadog noises

>>102489051
We don't even know if gunrun was the majority owner, he could just be a front with a minor stake, a puppet tasked with siphoning the money to other owners hidden behind the scenes.

>>102489180
This dude covered for Hasan, he has no credibility.

>>102489234
Nyan hasn't said anything yet, but Aethel came out in support of Mouse so we can probably assume she also is supportive

nyan didn't say anything public but just retweeted geega post

>>102489311
SAVE MY GIRLS

>>102489186
I think the most insufferable part of the online reaction to this is going to be idiots like you spending days pretending that a corp stealing money from their talent somehow invalidates the very concept of "talent freedom".

>>102489234
Silver said fuck charity, VShojo was based in discord

>>102489315
yes

I just saw the news. Zen is leaving?

>>102489350
she fucking HATES mouse
did she break aethels jaw for saying something nice about her?

>>102489311
Please vshojo let her leave

>>102489380
Not only is Zen leaving, but Nyan is too

>>102489350
tsundere for mouse

>>102489335
Anon vshojo wasn't a public company

>>102489311
the nova girls are good girls. support them too

>>102489234
https://x.com/Veibae/status/1947291154875093096

>>102489380
Yes but she's going to be the last one for a while, everyone else already signed their new contracts so things will be calm again soon.

>>102489350
So pink love still exists, but only when Geega is involved

>>102489396
she said 'no sex for you for a week'

>>102489455
can't wait for the new members

>>102489350
Why is this pink cat such a tsun tsun for Mouse

>>102489216
I don't think he stacked his pockets with charity money, if that's what you're asking, but he let this happen, either by omission or association, whatever the case, he's responsible.

>>102489368
I think the usual twitter grifters jumping on it is worse

>>102489245
They do but not without losing their channels and designs. Those give hololive more room to pad their roster out and divert the viewers before a redebut. Things are definitely harder for holo after people found out that they could just leave and redebut, but holo is in a much better place than an org on the talent freedom business plan.

let me get this straight.
the millionare pocketed the money, and this other disabled millionaire wants her poor wage cucks to donate to reach 500k?

Protip: Never donate money directly to a streamer if they are asking money for charity. If you want to donate, do it directly to the charity in question. You never know what third party shenanigans it is going to go through (AKA: Remember all the crap with softgiving a few years back that a ton of streamers used?)

Corpos and groups that I think suit the ex-vshojos best:
>Mata - Phase Connect
>Mel - VAllure
>Silver - Nijisanji
>Kuro - First Stage Productions
>Henya - ChromaShift
>Geega - GirlsFC
>AmaLee - Hololive

>>102489491
she's just a sperg
she doesn't really collab with any chuuba besides aethel

>>102489216
A tech-nerd, hired a bunch of staffs to handle financials of the company especially last year. Do the math.

>>102489413
Wow that's shocking.
Well at least Vei isn't leaving

Gunrun bad doesn't automatically mean Mouse good

Not bad, but not done yet

>>102489549
The goal was 10k

>>102488998
theyre harmless, youre worrying for nothing

>>102489549
let me get this straight you're gay lol

>>102489488
can only go up from here

>>102489425
But they had 11mil in VC investment, those definitely came with attachments, probably bought up huge stakes in vshojo because they agreed to it.

>>102489560
I don't agree.
If Mouse does another subathon I'll still donate.

>>102489579
Ironmouse Benchod

>>102489549
ye

>>102489564
>Geega
you mean MSM with seth

I wonder what this means for the JP branch...

>>102489579
Have you seen Gunrun? He looks like he doesn't have an ounce of evil in him.

>>102489564
Geega should join my harem of 1

>>102488032
fuck off you fucking sperg connor is mouses light rightnow

>>102489564
>phase connect

>Mel and Hime still have the thing in their name
I'd just assume they aren't terminally online but still

>>102489579
she always was good

>>102489639
what's VC?

>>102489549
Yeah, it's just an elaborate laundromat.

>>102489579
yeah I'm a bit skeptical of this story considering how some of her best friends randomly stopped talking to her shortly after one of her subathons and now there's some fraud involving it

>>102489691
Voice chat

a third nova has hit the tower

9/10 of your oshii is getting fucked right now

>At the end of the day Hololive still remains the best corpo of vtubing

>>102489683
Phase Connect is the mantle bearer of talent freedom whether you like it or not. Ex-VShojo fans should feel right at home.

>>102489691
Vei Chaturbate

>>102489234
https://x.com/_Silvervale_/status/1947012633900482861
yeah sure

>>102489564
>Mouse - Trash Taste

>>102489691
Virtual Congo

>>102489719
whats the other 1/10th of her doing right now?

>>102489617
I'm not going to watch any vtuber who associates with the alt right babe

>>102489742
that bitch

>>102489713
I worry for Peke
pekeworry.png

>>102489713
They are waking up
Sucks for them tho
Hestias birthday is soon, idk whats gonna happen to that merch drop
and not even counting the chibi models

>>102489691
Venture capital, companies that inject huge funds into smaller companies betting on their potential, usually in exchange for ownership, future profits, or rights to use their products or tech.

>>102489737
>>>> Phase Connect is the mantle bearer of talent freedom
Being an indie is

>>102489782
proof next thread?

>>102489713
On her break too, Poor Peke

I hope she's still cringing.

>>102489684
Mel said she "needs time to think," which either means she's sitting in a corner crying while being offline as her life falls apart around her, or she actually has some kind of story that might be able to defend Gunrun.

>>102489549
even better, crippled scammer is complaining about getting scammed. the irony is palpable

>>102489799
It absolutely should have been profitable. It was run like ass. They were paying like 50 people to do nothing.

>>102489781
munching carpets

>>102489829
She is totally using the fuck machine right now.

This was supposed to just be a shitpost when I made it lol

Genuienly what were they thinking by taking CHARITY MONEY from the most profitable and respected vtuber.

>>102489663
henya and kson removed the logo. so..they are pretty much done.

Oh nonono
https://x.com/TheLegalMindset/status/1947492128554422738

>>102489892
they stole from saba too?

>>102489892
they're probably in deep financial shit and needed the liquid or something?

>>102489828
what was the point of these advertisements?

>>102489921
I shan't be watching

Seeing all these artists calling out Vshojo just makes me wonder why a company that was in a poor financial position decided to piss money away on overpriced drawings and generic songs. Surely there were better uses for that kind of money.

>>102489923
kek

Damn, where did the time go man...

>>102489892
They were thinking "Damn, we've got all these bills, and the only money we have access to is the charity account and the account we manage for Ironmouse."

>>102489921
oof situation just went one level higher

but...
Tricky was joining....

>>102489921
I'm surprised it took him so long desu
One more vulture feeding on the corpse.

>>102489921
fuck that grifter

>>102489892
Probably thought they'd make it back when Ama joined, but that kind of fizzled.

>>102489881
Apollo always gives the gift of prophecy to those who least expect it

>>102489713
what a vacation for Peke...

That's why western women are mistakes
They will always backstab the corpo which made them famous and successful
Ungrateful bitches

>>102489982
Half a decade bro

Also Haruka just tweeted and Hime just retweeted Zen (and removed VShojo from her name)

>>102489829
She's either crying or making all of the phone calls/dms... or both. I'm more than sure it's going to take a while for another response from her.

>>102489825
the proof is being not retarded

>>102489951
To let people in Japan know Vshojo exists, I guess

>>102489921
gotta respect the grift, niji situation basically kickstarted his growth

>>102489923
It's still Rushia, somehow.

Nagi, Hestia and Peke removed vshojo mentions from their twitter, Hotadog might be soon

https://x.com/NagIsekaied
https://x.com/PekeIsPeak
https://x.com/HestiaHappiness

Hime posted and none of yall noticed. It's down to just Mel.

>>102489677
fleshlight

>>102489862
It would have to do different things to be good at them, like being a vtuber merch corpo that is open to everybody but offers better rates to the members, or a corpo that can do really special merch. They did none of that and were happy to remain as assistants to the members which makes them easily replaceable. They deserve becoming obsolete.

>>102489982
What was Silver thinking with that ugly design. I miss loli Nyan.

>>102489549
welcome to vtubing

>>102488349
>The artists all coming out of the woodwork is very similar to what happened to NijiEN
I wouldn't seek a deeper connection to Niji in this regard.
In those kind of situations, not only artists but everyone else doing contract work for the party that crossed them starts to come out about their issues all at once. The reason they don't do that earlier, is because they want to be professional, and professionals avoid drama around them. They will call them out for owning them money only as a last resort. But in the meantime, they can be dragged for months or years without paying up, and quite often that's enough for their debrots because their goal is buying some time.

>>102490049
money well spent

Brooos the Latinas are friends once more

>>102489881
Saw this yesterday. Didn't know that it's going to be true man

HIME REMOVED VSHOJO FROM HER NAME AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Will Ironmouse of independent tell dirty jokes?

>>102489270
so... melody right?

Has Nazuna said anything

>>102490053
Oh shit, she finally remembered her password.

>>102490069
going to be real Mel is probably crying her eyes out or something

>>102489921
honestly. you don't need him to explain that this is the end for them.

>>102489998
Oh yeah, the car kek. There goes that theory.

>>102490053
>even Hime left
U-um...Gunrunbros...at least we still have Nova and Melody...right? We won't let that lying bitch Ironmouse get away with it...r-right?

>>102489921
I was wondering how long it'd take for LadyboyMindset to leech his way to this one.

>>102490053
and with that only Mel is left

>>102489970
It was just a badly run corpo without a plan.

>>102490044
>>102490053
I hope my poor haruka heals fast and can maybe stream on her main channel regularly again

>>102489921
>legalgrifter
Pass.

>>102490083
Old ne

>>102490047
can you point me to someone else who isn't then

>>102490123
She still has VShojo on her twitter, so not out yet.

Mouse should've informed all talents beforehand, you don't keep your "friends" in the dark when you're planning to nuke the workplace you share with them, at least give them time to fucking update their CV

>>102490111
Only Mel remains

I'm going to go spend some time looking at large breasts. Try not to let the new thread die too fast so it'll be here when I get back
>>102490168
>>102490168
>>102490168

>>102490123
bro. remember nazuna?

>>102490129
more likely putting big objects into rear entrance to numb the pain

>>102490068
>Nagi, Hestia and Peke removed vshojo mentions from their twitter,

even the NOVAs are done with this

>>102490162
NOVAs have removed their VShojo stuff.
Only Hotaru remains

>>102490068
I hope this means that they are going to form a new jp org.

>>102489982
>upgrade
>upgrade
>downgrade
>neutral
>downgrade
>upgrade

>>102490053
the queen has spoken
also.. uh oh...
now it truly do be over
that's it
it was a good run

>>102490129
Her company man it was started with such a nice beginning. Fuck Gunrun

>>102490204
Legal matters complicate things especially involving people within the company.

>>102490067
honestly? kudos for losing rushia, coco, aqua, and gura and still somehow surviving (for now)

>>102488066
Dam

>>102490232
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>102490232
I think the VshojoJP had a meeting earlier today. Thats why Henya couldnt stream. Discord server was blowing up for sure

>>102489713
It's actually over

So once things calm down, will Zen start kidnapping Mousey for collabs? I feel like she's absolutely gonna kidnap Mousey + other former VShojos, and gas them all up.

Heck, even if VShojo crashes and burns, I hope that their former talent will reconcile with one another in the wake of Mousey's departure. Like... I don't know if Mouse and Silver's friendship will get rekindled, or if Nyanners and Mousey will collab semi-regularly again now that the latter went indie, but I really do want to hope that the girlies will be friends again now that they don't gotta deal with behind the scenes corpo-fuckery maybe.

mouse alt live, is he about to spill some shit?

hired a suspicious guy from holo early 2024, company went shit. ICANT bro welp. its over i guess

>>102490673
it was an inside job, is this the 9/11 of Vshojo?

Hello

>>102490595
Time moves on lad. Most people don't stay friends forever. Doesn't mean anyone did anything wrong just life. It'd be nice, but I don't think it'll happen.

>>102489719
Anon I don't think Haruka knows how sex works.

>>102490673
>>102490733
>anycolor finally allows collabs with holoEN
>nijiEN implodes
>vshojo hires former Holo staff
>vshojo implodes
When will the Holo reaper come for Phase Connect and Brave?

>>102490733
idk but it went to shit in 2024. Michi was decided to be /in/ 2023. so coincidence? hmmm

>>102490959
Panko and Kiara hung out (and probably had lesbian seggs) a few days ago...