Thread 102504037

>stay committed to the kayfabe, at least publicly until the final day
if pro wrestlers can do it why cant these women do the same?

>>102504037 (OP)
women get turned on by cucking men

>>102504037 (OP)
There is no such thing in vtubing

>>102504037 (OP)
real kayfabe requires a level of professionalism and dedication that the average streamer doesn't have. anyone with the work ethic to uphold kayfabe ends up getting a real job

post yfw

>>102504037 (OP)
they are streamers and women

>>102504543
just the latter argument is enough

>>102504037 (OP)
>Pretending for a few matches
>Pretending for like 4-6 hours multiple times per week
These are two very different things.

>>102504037 (OP)
The difference is that he was allowed to fuck/not keep his fucking a secret

>>102504744
some luchadors lived with the mask in their daily lives, to the point of some even having their legal identities publicly hidden

>>102504037 (OP)
Kayfabe is a dead concept in a world where everyone has a phone.
See the Taker. maintained his secrecy until 10s when the phone started to gain traction.
Mex Luchadores get a buff to it thanks to the mask but every other wrestlers/actor can't since their face is recognizable. Not everyone is a Tony Hakw where people don't think you are yourself.

Also women like to tell about their relationships SPECIALLY big milestones like marriage and stuff to people they deem friendly. There is a reason shit like Vogue and other gossip magz haven't died in the digital age anon. You can't fight back against their nature.

Kayfabe is what makes this thing work. They can break their bones, deal with shit co-workers, have shit pay, abuse drugs. But it's all for the fans to make it just believe it a little bit more.

>>102504037 (OP)
Wrestlers are unironically more professionally than vtubers
That Kayfabe shit really meant something to them back then (and still does today, to a lesser degree)

>>102504037 (OP)
>why cant these women do the same?
>women
there's the reason why

>>102504809
>some
There you go. I am sure you can find these some women somewhere too.

>>102504037 (OP)
They did but lig with hate you, if you mention them.

>>102505145
Will*

>>102504105
This but unironically.
It makes them feel desirable.

>>102504037 (OP)
Because someone just had to go and tell indies that vtuber culture isn't worth anything.
Cry as must, but at least corp girls stick to their characters (outside of alts made to whine and vaguepost).

>>102504037 (OP)
You guys are insane. Name ONE celebrity that a normie would know that ever forsook relationships, building a family, explicitly for the fans.

>>102504037 (OP)
El Santo precisely unmasked a few times.
Mil Mascaras was better anyway

>>102504037 (OP)
Vtubing teach me if there is a choice between success and a dick women would choose a dick

I really don't get it. Just play the fucking character. Put the fucking ROLEPLAY in the bag, bitch. If your ass is supposed to be some fucking devil robot with big fat tits then I don't want to hear about your personal life outside of vague coded allusions in zatsudan streams. If you're fucking Tyrese when you're not on stream pretending to be something not disgusting then I don't want to hear about it, you dumb green cunt.

>>102504037 (OP)
what kayfabe? nimi was never gfe

>>102506078
fundamentally I think it is a bad thing to let people like us delude ourselves with such indulgent fantasies without reality checks.

>>102505653
yes we are not normalfaggots, and? why are you even here? Just to act flabbergasted and cry?

>>102504105
And I get turned on by crying unicorns, win win for everyone...well except the cucklings sorry guys one of you have to be left in the wreckage lol

>>102506168
You seem to be doing all the crying for me

>>102504037 (OP)

the luchador in your pic very famously lifted his mask on a show, and then a few weeks later passed away

>>102506159
Agreed, but you can't exactly paint it as some nicety considering it usually not done from the outset and only done after the person has already been propped up by the very people they'll likely be alienating due to this "reality check".

>>102506159
This is like saying getting engrossed in a book, movie, TV show, etc and suspending your disbelief for a little bit is the same as seeking oblivion in fantasy. If you're going to put on a silly anime character mask then act the bit. If that's too much for you, then go be a flesh streamer. Do I think they need to follow a script or something? No, I think a chuuba's personality mingling with the character is the best. However, save your engagement announcements for your private Facebook for your Great Aunt Gertrude to thumbs up.

>>102504809
I've only ever really heard of Santo doing this. Are there other examples?

>>102506078
I think the whole thing is the same as when she left hololive
just pure woman moment doing shit without thinking it through
she just need to owned the corp or the incel at the very moment
she will find a way to live up to it eventually but like why keep putting your career on another detour?

I really don't get it. Just touch some fucking grass. Put the fucking CHARISMA in the bag, incel. If your ass is supposed to be some fucking biological male with big buldging muscles then I don't want to hear about how lonely you are and need a virtual girfriend/wife to make you feell better. If you're fucking your palm or cat when you're not on watching your oshi go to the gym and improve yourself , you dumb digusting virgin.

>>102506959
The problem with this premise is that I'm a man and Gura is a woman, so I'm better than her.

>>102506530
Your parents must have had a real hard time explaining to you that elmo is puppeted by a real person

>>102504744
>Pretend for a few matches
>Also the press conference after
>Any interviews you do both with professionals and amateurs
>And on Twitter
>And at any convention appearances
>And if somebody notices you at the grocery store and asks you
>And while travelling between venues
Catalogfags try to argue about how kayfabe in vtubing would be way more involved, but wrestling kayfabe is a 24/7 job for those in the business. For vtubing it's only when you're posting on Twitter, at a convention M&G, or on stream. Any other time, you can do whatever you want and it's none of the viewers' business, even if they hunt you down.

>>102504037 (OP)
Some of these girls can't lie to their audience without feeling horribly guilty, some think keeping the dream alive is the priority and some don't think their private life should be relevant to the stream at all.

Nimi is the first type and I think all of those are valid.

>>102507533
the whole point is disbelief
do people stop celebrating Christmas, Halloween or Easter when they realized santa, ghost or the easter bunny arent real?
everyone know there is a real ethot behind the anime character
but cant they at least act the part while doing it and taking people money for it?
Tom Cruise might be a nut crack irl but on camera he is an unaging action super star

>>102504037 (OP)
Did you guys know El Santo had a real soft spot for kids, especially orphans. He actually made it a point in his contract that every Christmas, he would take time off so he could deliver presents to kids in orphanages in his home town. This part of his contract was called El Santo Clause.

>>102504105
This is a false, misogynistic opinion.

>>102505653
Name ONE celebrity that has advantage of anonymity and still chooses to show their private life into spotlight

>>102505653
There is a stark difference between her being married and her announcing to her audience (who would never reasonably know 100% unless she told them) that she is getting married.
The former is perfectly normal and reasonable and I wish her the best.
The second is a very stupid business decision that breaks viewer immersion and talent anonymity on purpose, in an industry where the entire selling points are viewer immersion and talent anonymity. I'm not talking about "she's taken, she's going to make less money now", I'm talking about how she has put less distance between her IRL persona and her streamer persona, which fractures the illusion and risks her business' integrity, which also puts her at risk personally from scorned "customers". And I know she still cares about her vtubing as a business, because she sold a bunch of merch and sound packs and didn't announce she's quitting streaming to go get married and have babies. She still clearly intends to be an active streamer that would probably like money. She'll probably still get quite a bit of it. No harm in that, and I'm not gonna say that Naplings are cucks or anything like that, but reducing the space between talent and character erodes one of the main pillars of vtubing: Your Identity Does Not Matter. And I think that's really dumb of her to do.

>>102504880
Rey Mysterio did a face reveal not long into his career.

Kayfabe is dead these days for wrestling. Many wrestlers these days see themselves more as actors or artists. When WWE and AEW have their media scrums all they do is pat themselves on the back on all the planning and cooperation they put into it.

>>102508432
>to go get married and have babies
It's gonna be really hard to stream and keep up a facade with a crying baby around, so just announce it.

>>102508432
You know she isn’t really a magical talking tapir in a maid outfit, right anon? I know some people have a hard time differentiating between fiction and reality so I just wanted to make sure.

>>102508493
they got the money, sounding proof the room isnt that hard
many youtubers does it

>>102504105
True. The fantasy of having a loyal simp that always forgive them no matter how many times they cuck him, women love that shit

>>102504744
>Pretending for like 4-6 hours multiple times per week
anon they have to do it through a computer and using software that shows an anime avatar they literally just have to play a character and they can't
this is like an actor calling another by their real name during a movie and everyone saying how hard it is to act so people should just deal with it

>>102506959
i did that man
the problem is women haven't, and there really comes a point where lying for one night stands just become tiresome and annoying with the fallout that really prostitutes and masturbation is the better deal
chuubas are a great way for me to get in that little bit of female companionship through a character that pretended to give a shit about games and anime and it's sad when they decide to try to have a gay parasocial relationship and make me care about their normiefag relationships and problems

>>102508455
To be fair, he had to or he was on the streets.
As soon as he could, he put the mask back on, and has kept it on since.

>102508538
Is this quoting a reddit post or something, or are you just making strawman bad faith arguments for (You)s?
/vt/ trolls couldn't last 5 minutes on another board lmao

>>102504105
there are no rules against NTR being part of your lore

>>102508538
Nimi is a magical tapir in a maid outfit tho.
The person behind her is the writer and the voice actor. Or at least that was my impression. That's the way I separated the fiction and the reality. Well, I guess I was wrong.

>>102507873
still cucked

>>102504037 (OP)
To be fair keyfabe is almost dead outside of Japan and some parts of Mexico, only autistic wrestlers like Danielson care about it in America

now that nimi has been exposed as a whore. Who is a unicorn friendly vtuber that I can attach myself to

>>102509960
That's not entirely true. While it's become a bit more acceptable to be out of kayfabe in non-promotional interviews, there's still a few holdouts that keep to it even out of the arena.

>>102508248
Women instinctually need to make men miserable.

>>102504037 (OP)
the undertaker has been under kayfabe for like 30 years, he is in character even talking to randos out in public.

the one time he broke kayfabe his fans got real distraught and he felt bad so just kept on being Undertaker again afterward.

women see this kayfabe thing as just a challenge to try to break because they think it's some kind of grrrrlpower move to just shit on the rules and try to get away with it. even if they didn't really, they'll still claim they did.

>>102509573
Yeah, really weird lore drop talking about her personal life, it's weirdly parasocial. I just want to watch the magical tapir, I don't give a shit about your wedding why are you telling me unless you want me to come on by and give you a present and catch the bouquet and make out with the best maid

>>102510200
same, doob

>>102510574
lol

>>102504037 (OP)
NTR/cheating is a very popular fetish

>>102510200
holos in general although not all of them are unicorn friendly. but enough of them are (specially in JP) that it'll probably be fine for a while.

what holo overall gets and tries to market, is that Cover is not here to show off what great glamorous lives their girls actually-have. which includes happy fulfilled personal life stuff. this is because doing so feels like punching down @ anyone in a rough spot in life watching, because the general nature of vtubing feels so direct and personal chatting directly with the audience day that such info doesn't come across the same as watching someone neutrally on a screen talking at a TV audience. it feels real and direct right-at every viewer personally.

cover gets this, which is why girls get that 'clean slate' treatment because the assumption is they were trained up and lectured how to do this gig so well. fauna is the first example of someone just taking all that she learned and chucking it out the window to go full retard. even kson never ever did anything like this despite being a straight up fleshtuber ethot for a while now. it's dumbfounding.

>>102504037 (OP)
because women

>>102504037 (OP)
>maintain kayfabe and never talk about personal relationships
>get doxxed by obsessed stalkers
>personal relaionship get revealed anyway
>you are now a LYING WHORE for not disclosing personal relaionships
>the perfectly reasonable people who consider you to be their girlfriend regardless of you never encouraging that behaviour will now commit suicide because you cheated on them
if you can't win, why play in the first place?

>>102504105
This, they know exactly what they're doing

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Pro wrestlers don't beg me for my money daily and beg me to spend inifinite dollars on merch every other week.
Vtubing is nothing like wrestling and while I get the comparison to keyfabe, wrestling only gets kids and retards money while vtubing gets lonely retards money.

>>102506078
Only men do that you dumbass!
You want the kayfabe you go to a man
You want tits jiggling on screen you go to a woman

>>102504105
FPBP

>>102511663
You cant even write kayfabe right

STOP EXPOSING THE BUSINESS

>>102510442
Calling it a "lore drop" is *really* weird now that I think about it. Do we need to assume that being married is now a core part of Nimi Nightmare? Is she now a *Married* Magic Ghost Tapir Nurse?

>>102513263
she wasnt before but she is now

>>102504105
this
>>102504037 (OP)
because they want to own you, chud

>>102511663
keyfabe lel
But true. I'm sick of people comparing the fucking two.
Circus actors do fucking kayfabe as well, most stand-up comedians do, most streamers in general do it, their stream personas usually being an exaggeration of their own. (see Pewdiepie for example, autist king supreme yet the guy IRL is chill as fuck)
Streaming in general has insanely higher hours than a fucking wrestling match does, it ain't even goddamn close. People that can stream for hours on end sticking to some persona deserve a damn medal.
Guess what - most of them don't do it, most of them are piss poor at it in fact, especially this underage-as-fuck boards supposed champions at it, Hololive, who have so many examples of people who are terrible at acting even for an hour never mind many.
Vtubing isn't some champion of kayfabe - most people are terrible at it.
If you want kayfabe-hard vtubing, travel back a decade, most of them died out for a reason, there's fuck-all money in it.

>>102513263
its totally parasocial but women cant help themselves they think like children they can't separate personas

>>102504037 (OP)
you need to have passion to become a wrestler. also wrestlers don't hate their fans unlike these attention whore white women do.

>>102504037 (OP)
She did retire. Once you leave Hololive your real career is over. This is just a victory lap

>>102504037 (OP)
Women like to self-sabotage for some reason

>>102504105
fpbp

>>102504105
fpbp

>>102504037 (OP)
>Naplings were raped during the sizzling hot Summer of 25.
KWAB

>>102514398
The husband will pay the bills now

>>102504105
Lemonleaf previous streams has shown this

>>102504105
;)

>>102504105
Truth.

>>102504880
>Kayfabe is a dead
Cunts can't even remember their lore.

>>102504037 (OP)
only heels need to do that, except the ones that are old

>>102504809
>some
Any of them that haven't been unmasked don't get their real names reported by Mexican media I thought? Unless it was for legal trouble reasons like the old lady serial killer luchadora.

>>102506230
>Laughs from his mudhut, thinking he is superior
Whatever makes you feel better about your shitty life.

>>102522327
You are correct. If they haven't unmasked then they don't get mentioned as their real identity.

I just don't get it. Shes the "we are NOT friends" girl. Why does she feel the need to announce her marriage to people she views as complete strangers? How is that not an inherently parasocial thing to do? I just dont get it. It completely goes against her entire MO since she left LemonLeaf. Does this signify that shes going to make her personal life a bigger part of her character now? Should Nimi Nightmare even be considered a "character" anymore and not just her? Which means Nimi Nightmare is actually REAL and she is a Magical Tapir nurse lady who eats nightmares and yaps uncontrollably? What's even real anymore? Am I real? Are you real? DOES MUMEI HAVE AUTISM?????

>>102506078
Ive only known two EN vtubers that are in character 100%. you should check them out then
https://www.youtube.com/@LjotSwanhild
https://www.youtube.com/@Suraya_Archive

>>102504037 (OP)
Lucha is sacred that's why

>>102511394
This. Why even be a woman on the Internet at this rate? It isn't worth it in the end.

>>102504105
It's true, literally every female romance novel involves cucking.

>>102523278
Gee, I wonder why they'd play it up and accept the risks of being caught. And this is in a two year period and includes none of the base salary or merch sales or ad sponsorships.

>>102504880
Taker quit doing kayfabe because he's been fucking retired since 2010s retard. The guy basically wrestled only a few shows. He also STILL, to this day, keeps shit secret and protects the company. The guy maintained kayfabe 24/7 for over 20 years. These bitches can't even do it when they are behind an avatar for a few hours a day? Fuck off

>>102504037 (OP)
Wrestlers entertain normalfags therefore they are allowed to have normal lives
Vtubers entertain losers therefore they are not allowed to have normal lives

>>102512453
Well, Brian, you know it's those phony mudshow indies. I swear to god now, these independent VTubers are announcing they are getting married now, it's not that hard, just don't tell them you got a fucking boyfriend or husband or whatever. In the days of Kizuna AI, saying your oshi had a husband was fighting words, Brian.

>>102506230
You keep saying Unicorns are pathetic, but basing your self worth and sexual thrill off of crying men is also extremely pathetic. I cannot imagine being so invested in this.

For wrassling fans a question. Why are they afraid nowadays to do believable choke outs? I see dude get placed in simple sleeper holds and immediately go limp these days

>>102504105
This must be it. There's no other explanation.

>>102505742
El Santo has his own movies, he also participates In other movies like a special guest, he fights lesbian vampires along side with Jesus (Jesus Vampire Hunter).

It's no surprise Vshojo is getting beat like a dog, no offence Pepe, but that's what happens when you try and break out from under Pekko World Order

>>102524639
>Fights lesbian vampires with Jesus
Is the most Mexican thing I've ever heard holy shit

>>102524416
WWF / WWE ended up in a few lawsuits related to moves hurting or killing kids IRL. One such case, a babysitter hit the Stunner multiple times on a kid and legit snapped the neck. So if they overextend the hold and Little Jimmy attempts to do that to his baby sister, the blame will be shifted from the parents to what media he learnt it from.

Weird logic, some anons here are always attacking fuwamoco due not dropping the keyfabe after 2 years of streaming, saying it's too much. Why Nimi marrying is such a hassle?

>>102524776
I see. That makes sense then

>>102524416
Probably because they don't actually know how to. Up until the 90s or so a lot of wrestlers either had amateur wrestling experience or were taught by those that did on how to make holds look real. Since then the average wrestler has either been a wrestling fan or just an athletic actor types. Also American wrestling has always been a lot safer compared to say Japanese wrestling where they work a lot more stiff and snug with each other which is mostly a doctrinal difference between the style of the two big Japanese promotions of the last century (New Japan and All Japan) and the style of the WWF/WWE.

>>102506078
Lmao melty

>>102504037 (OP)
AIIIIE SANTO SAVE US FROM THE VTUBER VAMPIRES

>>102524639
>EL VAMPIRO Y EL SEXO

>>102504037 (OP)
You clearly don't watch Pro Wrestling because most of them can't do it.

So who's the jobber in this situation and what is dimes?

>>102504037 (OP)
you said it, they are _pro_ wrestlers

>>102522894
This. We need more of this.

>>102522894
This is pretty much how the first vtubers operated. They're called VIRTUAL YOUTUBERS for a reason.

>>102507533
The puppeteer doesn't stand up and talk to the fucking camera about his life
he puppets it and plays the character and then separates the work/personal lives

Vtubers are puppeteers
just puppet the model, play the character, hit end stream and then vent about your personal shit there, don't bring up "oh my husband"
bitch you're a fucking sharkcat dragon demon or whatever I don't wanna hear about someone being rude to you at greggs

stop selfposting

>>102510574
dooby has had a bf since her pre-hololive days

Kizuna Ai please save Vtubing. Kizuna Ai if you can hear us please come back and save Vtubing.

>>102504037 (OP)
Wrestlers actually respect the craft they work on

>>102527449
Do you watch anyone at all or are you here to shitpost. Every one of these bitches spends multiple hours complaining about shit every week on stream, whining on their twitters with some kind of excuse as to why they can't stream or had to cut it short, etc. Yes, even the Japanese talents.

>>102527563
Pmarusama is doing that

>>102504037 (OP)
You wanna watch Hyasynth. Shes been streaming for years and still hasnt broken kayfabe.Its fucking insane. She doesnt do gfe or coomer bait so shes not more popular.

>>102527531
year, me

>>102527763
Thats just Kaguya Luna 2!

>>102504105
A story older than time itself:
>Women love to humilliate men
>Love to make them insecure
>Men love games more than women
>Vtubing happends
>Male become more lonely
>Women see this as an oportunity
>"Look, here's your childhood game that you love~"
>GFE and ASMR
>Finally grasp your audience by earing their savings because you do jack-shit and people love it
>Men realize they being cuck by them
>Wake up and move on
>"MEN ARE SHIT, BTW MEN DESERVE TO BE LOVED TOO"
W O M E N

>>102508793
I don't believe for a minute you are able to actually get one night stands, yet at the same time are this much of a lonely incel utterly convinced companionship is out of your reach. You have to pick one.

>>102504037 (OP)
>indies

>>102508170
Huh, I wonder if that was also an inspiration for Nacho Libre, I had heard it was based on a luchador-priest

>>102524639
I know what kinos I'm watching each night this week
I've seen Santo vs the Mummies and the end fight was straight up surreal