I Don't feel so good... Edition
Welcome to /xvsj+/! A thread to discuss vtubers who were once associated with a hot pink company.
Ignore bait yadda yadda
/xvsj+/ includes:
Amalee - https://www.twitch.tv/leeandlie
Froot - https://www.twitch.tv/apricot
Geega - https://www.twitch.tv/geega
Haruka - https://www.twitch.tv/harukakaribu
Henya - https://www.twitch.tv/henyathegenius
Hestia - https://www.twitch.tv/hestiahappiness
Hime - https://www.twitch.tv/hajime
Hotaru - https://www.twitch.tv/akatsukidhotaru
Kson - https://www.twitch.tv/ksonsouchou
Kuro - https://www.twitch.tv/k9kuro
Mata - https://www.twitch.tv/matarakan
Mel - https://www.twitch.tv/projektmelody
Michi - https://www.twitch.tv/michimochievee
Mouse - https://www.twitch.tv/ironmouse
Nagi - https://www.twitch.tv/NagIsekaied
Nazuna - https://www.twitch.tv/amemiyanazuna
Nyan - https://www.twitch.tv/nyanners
Peke - https://www.twitch.tv/pekeispeak
Silver - https://www.twitch.tv/silvervale
Vei - https://www.twitch.tv/vei
Zen - https://www.twitch.tv/zentreya
Related:
/999/ + /็ท้ท/ + /nova/ + /voms/ for Japanese talents once associated with a hot pink company
/lig/ and /big/ for more generalized + and friends discussion
Previous thread:
>>102508158
Mouse and Connor should push twitch to make a way for part of sub money to go directly to a charity, lots of streamers do charity subathons now.
loutlot will be on kson's stream?
>>102514154actually yeah, that'd be a good feature
You know what the worst part is? The waiting.
We already know the conclusion, we just have to wait for things to move forward. And that's just boring
>>102514173If he is that would be nice. Maybe JP has a plan. Otherwise I wonder what the stream will look like if nobody shows up.
>>102514194biggest stream this year
>>102514185What are you waiting for? Video of VShojo HQ getting hit by a plane?
The org is done, everyone stated their position on this, streams will continue as usual.
>>102514173would be cool, I hope isn't involved in the shenanigans, I think he did good work with jp
>>102514173Says JP CEO will be there in her description.
I've just realized what the nimi drama is about, ACCELERATE pls
>>102514249Nigga, I know, that's what I was talking about.
It's just boring to wait for when the streams are gonna continue
I don't know if you are here or not Ksheena but I'm upset for you too.
You've always shown a lot of support for Mouse and didn't deserve vshojo fucking you over.
>>102514261Loutlot naked dogeza live on stream?
i WILL post in all of lig, 8lig, big and xvsj+ and there's nothing you can do about it
>>102514179They could 100% come up with a way to do it and it would be great publicity.
>>102514261JP is separate, so i'm pretty sure they are going to call out the filthy gaijin NA ceo.
>>102514349Lout is out literally and figuratively, DANGER
>>102514349Masterman and the JP branch is the only hope left for this org.
>>102514323I'm absolutely livid. But I will continue supporting mouse and all the members as much as I can, this doesn't change that. I'm just really worried for NOVA and hope they'll all be alright
>>102514361Bezo's ain't gonna like that
>>102514384>>102514402JP is for sure going to spin off into it's own thing
Should we add the people that were supposed to join to the OP?
>>102514402I could never give much during the subathons but I enjoyed keeping track of Mouse's progress and posting the charts on where we were.
I feel hurt even though I could not give much so my heart goes out to you.
>>102514477Nah. They were never on the team
>>102514477we should add anyone who wanted to join but couldn't
>>102514477the plus handles that if needed
>>102514477Why? Do you actually want to discuss their streams?
>>102514468that would be the best outcome.
>geegooners are back
>geckos are back
>momos are back
>leaver posters are back
/vsj+/ is healing
>>102514132 (OP)I remember you guys bragged about being the best vtuber agency "100% cut" "talent freedom" blah blah blah
What happened now?
>>102514578They'll all leave in a few days
>>102514584the truest form of freedom
>>102514584We aren't corpocucks like you that would defend a black company, sorry.
https://x.com/GeneralGEEGA/status/1947612593415156061
Geegus
>>102514154I want this because I want a subathon again next year.
I love the subathons and I hate they vshojo has tainted that.
>>102514584When something sounds too good to be true, it usually is.
>>102514584It's the Honey scam all over again
>>102514584We reached 100% freedom: no corpo.
>>102514584you've been falsefagged, sister
Someone give me a dex wep to use for ds1 pls. I need to mindlessly kill some shit to get my mind off this for a bit.
>>102514679I smell numberchimp
>>102514584VShojo exploded and we still have all our girls with their models, VODs and sanity.
Now they are the best Indie group 100% cut talent freedom. Get cucked.
>>102514675Does that also apply to big dick Henry?
>>102514681Freedom but with emotional manipulation to make you do what they want anyway.
Hey, I downloaded all of the songs that were uploaded to the VShojo channel and uploaded them to MEGA so you don't have to give them any views:
https://mega.nz/folder/bBECGIYK#G5QKss_vJU6J8r-CnUv4fw
>>102514654I don't know why but this gives me Ichigo in bankai form vibes
>>102514261So it's a damage control stream to try to save face and salvage JP?
>>102514724No, I've seen it. When Henya says 140cm she's talking about her pp
>>102514584kek these
>>102514681 >>102514723the spirit of vshojo lives on
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>take the hit
what is she talking about?
>>102514781the same old culture war retards gaining new ammunition
>>102514781she's talking about the backlash obviously, are you retarded?
>>102514584Your company harbored a sex criminal for over a year and fired a victim when they blew the whistle
Watch yourself
>>102514477Thats a nice sentiment but no, it's not a practical idea.
>>102514781probably people using every possible ounce of ammunition they can against her over some retarded and ancient /k/ drama from 8 years ago that no one actually understands the story to
Oh no, it's starting to smell like curry in here
>>102514781copyright strike on the channel probably, you get 3 strikes and your channel gets terminated
>>102514584talents get to keep their IP and be themselves, no graduation bullshit. Take a hint anon. You corpo slave
>>102514805I mean, what video drama was that? tho it sounds kinda old
>>102514799 >>102514861
>>102514920the anti-hime video retardbro
it got copyright striked in her name and people used it against her despite the fact that it's a video that literally shills deepfaked revenge nudes
>>102514132 (OP)Outsider here; why not just call yourselves the Twitch ex. corpos thread or the Mouse-a-spheres or something cool if the name brothers you now.
I'm gonna post all my edits
>they're still doing damage control and saving face
What do Froot and Gunrun have in common?
>>102514584I love taking bait to shit on Niji and Holo.
They hog all the money talents earn, hold their IP hostage, and make them pay for a bunch of shit like songs, concerts, stream projects, assets, etc that they will never own. The smart ones have left or will leave the corpo when they can, fuck shareholders, most predatory thing in vtubing aside from their corpo managers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBxw80mZoWI
Gunrun showing up means heโs about to flip the table on Mouse
this thread is now a magnet for terrible bait
>>102515082always and thats the good part
>>102515082catalogsharts are truly hylics
Odds that it's not damage control?
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>>102515064>YT full of dramafags>Twitch super chillNot beating the allegations
>>102515082No one cares about us nigga. One vtuber getting married got more traction that the whole company dying.
Remove the vshojo name, Mel.
>>102515119cmon it used to be passable and fun
>>102515039They fuck talents in the ass.
>>102515134Doesn't look that way.
>>102514810well, they at least took care of his tax problems
>>102515137She will not because she used all those stolen 500k to fund her sex toys in Japan.
>>102515137She's /in/ anon, she's got the evidence to BTFO all the other girls (and guy)
>>102515134spare a thought for saplings, it's their 9/11. for xvsj this is just tuesday
>>102515178>this thread>xittermoving goal post
>>102515039nothing, as one of them never did a fundraiser to pocket any money in the first place
>>102515240also reddit and youtube
and twitch in general since gunrun is well know there
>>102515203Oh yeah I remember a time when the talents didn't have enough good things to say about management.
>>102515137No
She's a ride or die girl unlike the other ungrateful grifters
It's funny that a prostitute is more loyal than those whores
Gunrun deserves love and compassion
>>102515203As far as we know
>>102515053>The smart ones have leftKEKAROOO
>ksonlost majority of her base and has a history of dumb posts on X she retracts
>nazuna/rushiado I even need to explain this one?
>faunacurrently the biggest lolcow together with her cลซck supporters
>shionnew generic dogshit model and abyssmal numbers on debut stream
ex-Holofags are the most pathetic and dumb creatures alive. Even vshojo and niji after all the yabs are more respectable than you niggers.
Something obviously changed within the last year in upper management
>>102515285the managers were great it's just the the ones higher than them have problems, also comparatively to niji it was better
no one else thinking about how Kaho mentioned the staff member leaking marital status?
Like who in vshojo is married?
>>102515353They hired new staff last year. It all went to shit
>>102515353Ran out of money? It's really easy to be a good guy when you're not sweating about finances.
>>102515307he deserves 3 to 9 years
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is Kson gonna stream on twitch? YT chat is a fkn cesspool
kson transitioning to av for real this time?
>>102515342bro where do you think you are? seriously I think this is a tabs moment
https://x.com/JennaLynnMeowri/status/1947624198681002346
Bruh who the fuck vetted staff?
>>102515430i closed my YT chat kek
I think the funniest thing that could happen right now would be Sinder making a donation to ironmouse's tiltify thing in a super visible position.
I just wanna see people going "we're here for you mouse, ironmouse defense fund, fuck you sinder, oh we love you mouse!"
>>102515383Those were 2 separate sentences. It sounded like Kaho was talking about vtubers in general that the dude leaked.
>>102515383>opens trenchcoat'Look bro, I got all these pictures or out talent, and they're all single! Can you believe it?'
>>102515439was he even staff or just some poser?
>>102515435Did you missclick your /tower/ tab cรบckling?
I just hope Kson won't say stupid shit that will make the girls look bad
>>102515475*of our
Pardon my stroke
>>102515145nevermind you're right, we're back to the zero effort bait.
>>102515512oh boy just you wait she has tendency to say stupid shit
>>102515499calm yourself numberchimp
>>102515430her Twitch is in 1week follow mode now so I'd assume so
>>102515383I thought it was public knowledge that Henya's married to Sam Lake?
>>102515508Not that kind of stream, bro.
>>102515453should be a photo group of all the talents
Froot in YT chat
also some typed
>you can gunrun but you cant gunhide
and it made me giggle
strap in lads. we're gonna have a long day/night. for tourist and drama fags. FUCK YOU IN ADVANCE
>>102515499anon, please, think. why would a napling be in the /xvsj+/ thread? you don't have to guess who people are here, this isn't a shitty catalog bait thread.
>starts stream
>good morning motherfuckers
>>102515353it is funny watching the "I knew there was always something wrong with them" people when if you watch mouse's video it's clear this kind of mishandling is very much a "recent" thing. She literally said they paid out the second subathon no problem.
>>102515590>froot in the phasenigger denballsy
>>102515552NTA but Kson getting mad at people is hot. Even if there is no literal spanking being shown, but a verbal can be enough.
YT sub only mode. get fkd drama whores
>>102515512Surely they learned from the failure of Niji and the black screen. Never slander the talents.
>vshojo raided kson house so she can;t go live
>>102515648yt subs are pretty cheap
>>102515642>stream starts>I'm already hardI see.
>>102515632already saw some phasebeggars ask for a merger kek
Can't believe Kson got attacked by Gunrun's assassins..
honestly, kson should run an org, she'd be a good boss cause she knows how crappy corpos can be (multiple times)
>>102515675>pretty cheapThey're free. She set it so you had to have been subbed for at least 24 hours.
>>102515508sic radical....it's been 20 years....
yeah legality wise she can only speak her side of the story.
FUCK can someone compile all the shit that's gonna spill out?
we have Kson then Michi later on
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>>102515693Is this what it would look like?
>36k viewers
That's a lot for kson right?
>>102515724Kson would share the hookers with the talents.
>>102515724Knowing how crappy corpos can be doesn't mean she'd be a good boss. Just see how she initially responded to the Froot situation.
>>102515760holy thats a lot of dramafaggots
>was already planning to leave
oh shit
>>102515745mostra as tetas
>already planned to leave
lmao
>she was planning to leave on the 31st
kaichou intuition 100/100
>already planning to leave at the end of the month
>she was already planning to leave
wew
burn the thread
burn the thread
burn the thread
burn the thread
Kson is /out/
to no ones surprise
>Leaving vshojoJP
Shit was THAT bad, huh
Kson will leave Vshojo on the July 31
>>102515760Yes, she's sometimes a 3view when not fleshstreaming
vhojo owes kson money..suprise, suprise mf
bro the own everyone money?? shit is so black
>it's all about me
Narcissist whore.
I bet Melody has been paid on time
wow they were actually floating everybody's checks
not paid since LAST SEPTEMBER?
>no payment in nearly a year
fucking last year 2024. FUCK THE NEW STAFF HIRES
>owed her money too
>haven't paid her since last year september
jesas
Because they don't take any money from you, dumb ass. They literally have no income stream.
>not paid since september
WTF?
>Vshojo has been owed wages for half a year
>>102515870Don't like kson but what the fuck else is she going to talk about? Tell other people's stories for them?
>>102515877Corpo couldn't touch her CB money so she's less likely to even notice
>>102515899after mouse 3rd subathon they just took the money and ran
>>102515895>>102515899>>102515914It all started in September. What the fuck happened in September?
>>102515886>>102515914she kinda worded it a little strangely, I'm not sure if she meant that's just when the payments started slowing down
>>102515917why gobble up bait?
>>102515724fuck corps at this point. lig for life
so they owe the yakuza boss money
gunrun is actually fucked, JP fans will find him
>>102515870She had to fend for herself in hololive cause the retard ceo wouldn't help her.
>>102515870Anon, you're retarded.
She can't speak for the other girls.
>>102515901They get wages? I thought the resources provided to them were the wages
VShojo officially is the BLACKEST corpo ever now. This is not even Niji tier, this is medieval slavery tier
>>102515954yeah it's when they started slowing down
What does not paid mean? Do they have a salary, or is VShojo handling all their revenue?
I thought they owned the channels, does the money go through VShojo?
I'm starting to think Gunrun might have legit run
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CONS: NOTHING
Not getting paid for nearly a year seems like a big con. Get it? GET IT?!
>>102515972merch wise, Vshojo handles that
I'm guessing it's the merch money
>>102515980this is a hard cope sister
>>102514584Free from rules, free from charity
Vshojo are obviously wrong but why are these retards participating in free labor
>>102515998Probably the money from merch / events
>>102515980gunrun making riku look like a saint rn
>>102514852C'mon now, that fag was a known sexpest&groomer before he even joined niji
jp fans will legit fuck gunrun up, otaku do not mess around
>>102515972>>102515998They probably mean their part of sponsor and merch money.
>>102515998merch and sponsors go through vshojo, channel stuff is 100% theirs or so it is told
>>102516024Pay up, gunrun
>>102515948Subathon, with their money struggles they took Mouse's money and someone with the money power cashed themselves out.
>>102515914DO YOU REMEMBER
WHEN VHSOJO PAID IN SEPTEMBER
>>102515383That guy was an ex hololive staff, use your head.
Wow. Who the fuck would have thought that 50/50 MERCH/TICKET SALES ONLY wasn't a fucking profitable revenue stream and would lead to SHORTING TALENT?
>>102514809I thought you were talking about hololive, cause they did that too (mel)
>>102516050Anon, the talents will get their twitch and youtube money directly apart from Mouse because she was paranoid about giving people payment details.
Pay denbts seth... i mean gunrun.
Imagine when we get the phase yab next year
>>102516117it's criminal so probably
ITS GONNA BE PAID ITS GONNA BE PAID ITS GONNA BE PAID
>I HAVE BEEN LIED TO
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
RUN TO CHINA GUNRUN
NIGGERO!!!!!!!!
>>102515980I'm thinking about the Soviet Union since Vshojo was pretending to pay the talents, a lot of who were pretending to work. Now that it collapsed, everyone says they could see it coming.
>>102516176TWO MORE WEEKS
TWO MORE WEEKS
TWO MORE WEEKS
>it will never be paid
hmmm
Holy balony..Niji got out-blacked by Vshojo??
>>102516202When are they getting paid
>>102516002As in โyou get nothingโ
Seems like at least 10 months of non-payment to all of the talent, plus stealing everything they had control over in accounts, like Mouse's charity money or outstanding merch stuff.
What's a good live translation app?
Why didn't Mouse, Michi, Kuro, and Geega tell the others? Why keep them in the dark until the video drop?
I am excited for Silver's birthday this year, she said she's planning her biggest project yet for it
>>102516050It's not free labor since they still get all their subs/bits 100%, but they are owed vast amounts of money from lack of merch profits.
>>102516176GUNRUN JUST NEEDS TO SELL A FEW MORE IRL STREAMING BACKPACKS. HE WILL BE ABLE TO PAY THEM SOON
PREDICTIONS?
>PREDICTIONS?
PREDICTIONS?
>PREDICTIONS?
>>102516248she's translating it
Who even is in Vshojo at this point?
kson's gachikoi are gonna kill gunrun
>>102516189Chinese hardcore Hotaru fans will cook him alive like a dog, he has nowhere to run
>>102516217no? making one talent attempt suicide is still the lowest low
bro even Kson is in tears
fuck this vshitshow bro
>>102516189Whatchu say white boi???
>>102516269She's gone too without a doubt
Coco it's okay, I'm joining the yakuza for you.
hearing kson on the verge of tears is rough
>>102516277kek
Fuck you for making me laugh now.
>Vshojo CEO
Psych, it's the VShojoJP CEO.
Wait so whose fault is this for the JP side? Loutlot or Gunrun?
Vshojo did more damage to her than 1 billion chinks combined.
>gets fucked over by cover
>tries it again
>gets fucked over by gunrun
boss...just stay indie
they made kson cry live holy..not even the zhangs did that on stream
So it is Loutlot's fault too, didn't expect that. VShojo was rotten to the core.
mouse really did open up the floodgates. everyone in the group, contracted artist and probably some of the staff were getting fucked and since mouse has spoken everyone is fucking talking
Impressive, lets see niji top this next yab
What's Loutlot going to say about this, was he scammed too
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Thank god she couldn't drag anyone else with her.
>>102516374huh everyone here knows. VshojoJP has a different CEO anon
I BET THEY ONLY PAID MEL CAUSE OF HER VSHOJO LAWYER BF
>>102516396Seriously this is why I really hope Mouse stays indie or at best joins vchiban.
>>102516313The fact that no Vshojo attempted has less to do with the action of the company than the mental health of their talents. The things they did are objectively worse.
not getting their money hurts but the betrayal must've hurt them harder. damn what a shit situation
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>>102516445My wife
Check the OP, she's listed there
>>102516373Sorry, I started posting it just before she started crying. Maybe not the best timing.
You guys say Mata and Geega are ruthless businesswomen, but Gunrun is the most ruthless and greedy one.
>>102516447kson is the reason pikamee is still around, if not for a big JP support she would be gone.
>>102516396>gets fucked over by ______
>>102516438>Vshojo did WHAT?>That's it, remove graduation monthly limits!
The Chinese did it again. I knew I could count on them.
>>102516511I'm just jokingly messing with you. Silbur is nise
>>102516522They're all ruthless and greedy business people which is why this shit is collapsing lmao
>>102516435as long as mouse stayed there was a promise that things could maybe improve, without her there's just no hope
>>102516442desu he better throw gunrun under the bus, or he'll also burn the JP side
>>102516317WTF KSON it's too early!
>>102516438Riku would need to have a sex dungeon on his yacht
>>102515307I wonder if this scandal will be bad enough to get Gunrun's global emote removed?
>Henya: How does vshojo even make money?
Turns out the just didn't and the silicon valley seed money was all they had
I wonder how much people were slow to speak up because they were specifically afraid it would hurt Mouse. Seems extra evil for the company to lean into that kind of kindness to keep people on the hook.
Yeah, i hear Kson almost crying, she is trying not to, fuck man
>calls up the CEO on the fly to question him
I love this bitch
>>102516524that one mainly just gets fucked by me
holy moly all those tourists
WAIT IS LOUTLOT EVIL OR NOT?
>for now yes
HOLY SHIT EVEN THE JP CEO IS GRADUATING
Gotta respect Kson demanding accountability and dragging his ass out in the open
Apologise to Silvervale. Do it. On your knees.
How did she convince the JP CEO to get on and talk directly about this when it's still ongoing? What kind of charsima does this woman actually have?
LMAO, did we really need that kson?
>>102516626you loutlot would be in a discord call if he did something? ANON...
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make sure you put the fucking cat picture down there
Is Loutlot gonna say he is owed money too? Kek
>>102516396How the fuck is chinese nationalists harassing her was covers fault?
>>102516646I think he's happy to talk. It's not his fault. Gunrun is the one that should be here, but he's hiding.
>>102516447is this bait or are you actually stupid
Who is going to adopt henya?
>>102516682He wants to save his ass, it's pretty simple
I love this drama magnet bitch
It takes some balls for Loutlot to do this
>>102516708First thing he said was that he was still JP CEO 'for now', when she asked him.
>>102516710I was a member, they did LITERALLY FUCKING NOTHING to help her, despite her being the #1 superchat earner. At least have a few fucking people mod her chat or have a lawyer do something.
>for now yes
holy shit even the jp ceo wants out
>>102516733There's no real reason for her to join a corpo at all, she's got UTA anyway
speak a little Aigo for em loutlot
>>102516748VShojo JP CEO.
>>102516430uhhh... check her twitter
>>102516673I don't have to
I knew she was right since 2023
>>1025159482 months before the Vshojo JP branch launch, so it might be a case of them ploughing resources into breaking into a new market and hoping like hell they'd make enough out of that to recover.
Of course this is a plan with more than a few holes in it, not least of which is Japan being the most saturated vtuber market imaginable, but I never got the impression Vshojo had the most business savvy.
>>102516733henya like mint and doki don't need anyone. they are fine.
Geega pretending to understand.gif
>>102516626At the basic level its likely he only managed the japan branch and wasnt directly responsible for withholding money, and did what he could with the hand he was dealt, but as a manager at some point you have a responsibility to raise hell and there is no reason this situation should have continued quietly for 10 months.
Froot stream soon. Imagine the numbers. 40k ez.
In Kson's stream is the VshojoJP CEO. so i think he is in clear of the money allegations.
>>102516733Henya likes Pippa chan and Tenma chan
>>102516673I still don't like that she bitched out Mouse when she exited but I do think she's really fucking hot and I feel bad for her
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i love this woman
What the fuck, theres a chatter doing spanish translations but no english
>>102516822Man, they should have busted into the untapped African Vtuber market. They would be rolling in dough.
>>102516852she's not gonna stream during this shit, it's not worth is with the dramafags
>>102516758Holo is shit, but she had Youtube engineers in her chat and they were able to bypass any of the chat protections because Youtube is a shit streaming platform. They could have avoided harming her by suspending her in the first place though.
>>102516803Now apologise to Veibae. In Polish. While her husband watches.
>>102516866Would be kino honestly
No matter what, he is still guilty of not doing shit for a whole fucking year.
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DORYAAAAAAAAAAAAAA /s
>>102516682because Loutlot is obviously innocent
so what happened is Vshojo's talent-friendly business model experiment was a failure and they've been running deep in the red and the money ran out around September?
Kaho doing translations in the twitch chat
>>102516894>african marketkek
>>102516894why would you want literal dough?
i guess there's a reason the other big corpos take like a 50% cut
>>102516934massive win for VShojo!
>>102516881least helpful translations ever
>>102517013yup, Vshojo was basically a charity. kek
So Loutlot is innocent and JP just got fucked over in this?
Fuck, the NOVA girls didn't deserve this shit. I want Peke to make it.
this guy said nothing we didn't know already
>>102516934BASED NUMBERGODS
>>102516894Phase has that market on lock.
>>102516940I feel like this is something they could've talked about with each member and try to either find a solution (take a cut from donations) or literally disband.
What they did was retarded on every level.
>>102516894think of all the child mined cobalt they could of had
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uh oh
>>102517038no, that's more or less what he said, a lot of words but not a lot info
KANE DOKO ?? I understood that
>>102517060Arigato for listening. *bows*
>>102517038it's probably the original statements themselves being corpo non-statements that take no responsibility and don't blame anybody
>>102516882It's ok to dislike a coworker or have a little bit to say after leaving a company. The only issue is her talking about a relationship that other talent were in, because she was basically leaking internal, private information that she had because of seeing their discord. She apologized for that to everyone involved and things are fine now though.
>>102517060He didn't choose to do this, Kson called him.
>>102517055>Didn't do shit for a year>innocentLOL
>>102517013I mean it's pretty obvious that a company can't survive without funding, but fuck I thought they would've at least been doing SOMETHING to get money
I think expanding into Japan was a big mistake
loutlot confirmed that the 500k is used as operating cost if viitor didnt fail me?
>>102517060yeah but he's confirming things from an official perspective
Did anyone really expect this to be something more than a nothingburger?
Guy is trying to save face and not get dragged through the mud along with the western higherups.
They probably ghosted him already.
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>>102517131Kaho says the same
The 500k went to subsidize NOVA!?
I knew shit was up as soon as they did that Project Hope Ukraine fundraiser years back.
Any company involved with charity for Ukraine, Red Cross, LGBT stuff, theyโre all funnelling money out to god knows where.
They used Mouse to keep the company running
I'm so pissed off
After everything Mouse has been through
>>102516758What can they do? The antis were literally down all at once. Because of that incident is when they started having anti-defamatory policy and also dissolved holoCN. The company grew too big too fast with no protocol in place and not equipped to handle massive attacks.
>>102517055youre not going to get much from this interview alone. a guy could have spent the past 30 days smoking blunts out of 100$ bills that were earmarked for the IDF and he would still come on to an interview and say "it wasnt me it was the other guy"
>>102517076Doesn't VShojo have a shit ton of venture capital behind it too? Their balls are in a vice no matter what, the whole plan was ill conceived from the start.
This guy is yeeting himself... sofly.
>>102517187kill yourself blackjack
Even the CEO (JP) was lied to.
Well, not ex-nijis anymore, now is ex-vshojo ammirite? Fucking hell I can't lads
>>102517158She could have tried to contact Gunrun on stream if this wasnโt just for show.
>>102517221What they were gonna do if they filed for bankruptcy? Not an expert btw.
WE NEED NUREMBERG TRIALS FOR ALL VSHOJO STAFF
>>102517178So that's why Mouse was so distant with them? It's not their fault, obviously, but it's understandable if she has some kind of feelings about them.
>>102517131They used the 50K to buy a sports car for Gunrun
>>102517221>Doesn't VShojo have a shit ton of venture capital behind it too?Eaten up by concerts and shit, if I had to guess.
Vtuber models got expensive real quick. I mean, doesn't Ironmouse have some models that run in the 5 digits?
He's obviously trying to save himself and pretend like he has nothing to do with all of this.
>>102517269That is who she wanted to get on stream.
>>102516860keep crying, shitter
Not even Loutlot is sure where the money went and just assumes it went to operational costs.
WHERES THE MONEY, LE-GUNSKI!?
>>102517257>claiming not to knowWho knows for sure at this point.
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Gunrun went to close to the sun with the talent freedom. He had good intentions in the beginning with the business model of only getting money through merch, but when the financial struggles built up, he took advantage of the breadwinners in a desperate attempt to keep the entirety of the org stay afloat.
>he heard about mouse's stuff only a few weeks ago
They led him on and tried to keep stuff under wraps from a Branch ceo....
>>102517168>I can only speak for the movement of money in the Japanese branchCool. Then why isn't money moving in the Japanese branch to reach Kson's bank account?
That part is literally on him, isn't it?
>>102517318i truly believe VshojoJP management has no control over money in the company
>>102517344This is the JAV girl?
lol based
>>102517131>operating cost500k for Internet service provider
holy shit when does the humiliation ritual end
just shut the whole thing down
>>102517187Crying about it in a anime site won't bring your missing family members back from the Donbass hellpit bro
>>102516940I'd say it's worse than that, it didn't eventually start failing, it was never operating at a profit to begin with. They used up their millions of silicon valley seed money, and then just embezzled when they ran out.
>>102517297>I saw themโฆ send 6 million chatters to the donation chambers via Twitchโs rollercoaster. They had a giant machine which squeezed all their credit card info out. All they got back in the end was Lampshade emotes
gonna crank one to kaho for old times sake in honor of this
>>102517324I want them to show everyone heโs uncontactable on stream. Thatโs how you chase accountability
>>102517387Preach. Don't dodge responsibility
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>>102517357this is the likely story, they went to JP to expand and somehow to recoup the cost but it wasn't big enough. had good intentions at first but to stay afloat needed use other talents fund to do so.
Is our buddy Gunrun going to jail? I hope not.
>>102517344How do I read back all her translations?
>>102517388He is THE CEO of JP branch. If one of his talents is not getting paid for so long it's his direct responsibility. And all he did was absolutely nothing.
>>102517285Same thing as happens to everyone if they file for bankruptcy - bailiffs come over and start pulling your life apart to find the money to cover the debt.
>>102517318I do not really think he has a big role in this simply because JP was an expansion and added later, especially in his role as JP CEO
Good morning, I see you didn't sleep much.
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fuck they where not even paying the jp branch , jesus christ
>>102517315talents pay for their own stream shit tourist, vshojo was acting as a middle man for some until their money ran out and used talents money to pay for their own corporate shit
vshojo paid for one concert years ago and it was a paid watch
So whoโs the CFO? Should be partially there fault at least right?
>you havent paid me
oh shit
>>102517517Concerts would fall under projects anon, projects to which the company was supposed to have had an allowance.
>VShojoJP was doing good
>sodesune
>finances too?
>sodesune
>you haven't paid me
>you're saying Vshojo JP itself was doing good
>soudesne
>but you haven't paid me
fucking raped
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For anyone who wants the full logs of the translations:
For Kaho twitch translations
https://logs.spanix.team/?channel=ksonsouchou&username=shibuya_kaho
Holodex for youtube translations
https://holodex.net/watch/cBxw80mZoWI
See, he is a piece of shit, just like Gunrun
>>102517562Thereโs no way thatโs not just a fucking coincidence. Screencap this post.
This is awkward. What is she doing? lmao
I'm dying of cringe AAAAAAAAAA
WHERE'S THE MONEY SHITHEAD
LOUTLOT SHUT THE FUCK UP KEK
where the FUCK were they losing the money? this shit is just fucking mysterious
Gunrun? More like gunna run with the money.
Holy, this is going to be huge. That silence after asking for the pay...
US has to release the funds to the JP side is what I'm understanding
I hope Nova owns their IP like everyone else and it wasn't a special thing because they debuted as a "gen". If I have to I will buy Nagi's IP for her, I will not let her be ruined because of this. This is so fucked.
is that guy retarded ? kek
Imagine if they spent all her money on NOVAs, lol
>>102517683she called up the CEO of JP to question him cause she's based
wait, that "pay" what is it? merch sales only? or vshojo paid salary for being in it?
She was acting nice to make him comfortable enough to say something like this so she could pounce. Totally deserved, obviously. But how does someone end up a CEO without seeing something like that comming?
>>102517746She's giving him the rope to hang himself with.
>>102517562im transferring to /jidf/ after this
>>102517756Merch and event fees is what I'm assuming
>>102517712Having lots of staff that was making 6 figures gets expensive
>>102517756might be a similar situation to mouse's, where for privacy reasons she lets vshojo manage finances
>>102517499He has always been a puppet. Only reason he was JP CEO was because they needed one and he already worked there. Paraphrasing and I think it was implied, it was in one of Kson's early Q&A streams.
>>102517756Merch stuff I assume. I doubt vshojo streamers got a salary when they already kept all of their stream revenue.
Loutlot might be more retarded than Gunrun because at least Gunrun just went completely silent
>JP financed doing well
>Both JP and EN's finances are combined
>If EN's wallet is empty then JP's is empty too
???
>kson: You're telling me you could have paid me?
>Makino: Yes.
>kson: Then where is (the money)?
>kson: I want it now.
>Makino: ........
>kson: Did you just die?
My sides are in orbit right now.
gunrun dialing the phone furiously to tell this nigga to shut the fuck up
>>102517783I hope she had the courtesy to bring the chair too.
first time i've seen someone questioning a CEO live about them fucking up
NAKED DOGEZA
>>102517756Merch sales and ticket sales from events.
>or vshojo paid salary for being in it?On a technical level it's basically the same thing since they do have year long merch on top of limited edition shit.
>>102517683Ever heard of this sort of thing?
>>102517634Dumb fuck, he's not in control when it comes to paying them.
>>102517850it's all the same. scorched earth to Vshojo
>>102517740I would assume they do own their IPs. I think Kson would start throwing shit around much earlier if this wasn't the case.
kson could've hired a lawyer and got paid already, but chose to wing it and talk shit on stream.
I don't know if that's stupid or impressive at this point.
>>102517850Japanese honor compels him to speak for his failures.
>>102517873This is the cringekino I expect from kson.
>>102517868they structured this shit all wrong if they wanted the JP branch to succeed, were they hoping they would bail out the EN branch's failures?
Remember when you were shitting on Silver and Vei for leaving?
I remember
>>102517592concert, they didnt pay for anything but one
their allowance wasnt an allowance, it was merch money vshojo held to pay out contractors
My ultra giga rrrrrat:
>it got all spent on pizza, you'll never see it again and their lips are sealed even if you torture them
>>102517766He was trying to spin that the JP branch was doing well, probably hoping to pull a Second Wind style exodus where the NOVA talents carry on under a slight rebranding. However Kson rightly seized on the point of the financials.
kson has done MASSIVELY well for the girls with this call. he admitted they could pay. and they didn't.
So is Coco coming back to Hololive?
i mean....atleast ill give the guy credit for showing up, knowing you dont fuck with Kson
>>102517915she'd rather let the fans know and burn the corp than getting paid
>>102517634literally not watching the stream. He is said JP dont control the money aspects of the company. so if EN doesnt release the money JP is fucked.
>>102517936I shat on them couse I personally don't like them, their reasons to leave were irrelevant to me.
>>102517961I would fuck with Kson, if you know what I mean, hehehehe
>>102517966keep crying, I'm almost there
>>102517868instead of paying its bills as a branch JP sent its money to the company collectively, and then separately vshojo would send back enough to pay the bills
>JP made more than enough money to pay the bills>sent the money to EN>didnt receive enough back to pay the bills
>>102517925in short yes, hence all the push.
I just want my Novas to be safe
If you post in chat right now you'll probably show up in a courtroom somewhere.
I can't believe this
This was my happy place
Now I have to get ready for work
I'm already beyond exhausted
>>102517915This stream is probably going to earn her more they owe her.
>>102517740They do own their IP
>>102518051lmao that's so fucked up
his answer is fucking slow! she just asked him if he's getting paid or not
kson has handled this very well despite all the fucked up revelation we're hearing.
>>102518146he already answered, they got a pay cut
If he just lied and said he wasn't being paid too, his position would be so much more sympathetic. But admiting that he was getting his while the talent that made that possible weren't is too much.
>>102518146he's getting a pay cut. getting paid only half of salary
>>102518146he also has NDA. literally a JP CEO and you think he would answer everything.
>>102517915There's no lawyer on the face of the earth who can draw blood from a stone, and I think that's the situation we're facing here. Can't get money for damages if there's no money.
>>102517925Pretty much, VShojo was haemorrhaging cash because its business model was fucking stupid, and they seemed to have investors breathing down their neck as of last year. I imagine the plan was to keep the ball in the air by using the JP cash flow, and it all went to shit.
So the VShojoJP staff was getting paid for doing nothing, while Kson wan't paid at all. This org keeps getting blacker and blacker with every second
>>102518051If that's true then it hurts even more, because that means NOVA was doing well enough and JP could have grown even more.
>>102518151Did they expect to run the business on prayers?
What the fuck were they thinking?
>>102518190I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and believe that he didn't know the EN talents were getting 0 dollars.
Call Gunrun on stream now then
>>102518051what the fuck that doesn't make any sense
>talent first my ass
i love her
Friendly reminder that people can lie for any reason imaginable
>>102518190the talents can still get paid through streaming, but staff only has this as income
yare yare daze https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO_532nbu0c
honestly the balls on loutlot to come on stream and face the music like this are pretty astounding, I gotta give it up to him
>>102518176She seems really adept at finding a way through situations when there's no prescident to follow. That's like, the premire sign of being very smart and capable. She comes out of this looking amazing in all respects.
>talent first my ass, wasn't it staff first?"
HOLY KEK
>talent first my ass
Fucking LOL, never change Kson
Sorry but as a holochad who had to endure years of vshojo fags boasting about how amazing their not-a-corp corp is, this day is absolute peak.
I never dreamed things would end up like this, this is more than anyone could have imagined. Just beautiful.
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>>102517936>for leavingKeep trying to rewrite history.
>>102518190He should probably start streaming to earn money then, along with the rest of JP staff. Unless the entirety of the staff is working two jobs they aren't getting shit since their revenue is from the merch, whereas KSON still earns money even if it's not from that.
>>102518230JP staff was honestly doing good. the EN just fucked up with finances
>VShojo - Mone...*tape rewind sound* Talent first.
God this almost hurts to watch
>>102518374If JP staff was doing good, where is the money they owe her?
>>102518334>he thinks holo is any betterYou don't lose multiple high profile talents in a row when your house is in order. Careful throwing stones in that glass house of yours.
Guys this is just a dream
We're still on september 2024
Subathon still going on, and we had this dream for watching too much Vshojo.
Wake me up when September ends
>>102518374JP hasn't paid any of the talent for ten months and halved the pay of all the staff. That's not really 'doing good' by any metric.
gee, you think it maybe should've been that way to begin with?
>>102518432In the en branch
>>102518401I really hope they actually all can leave so we can get this over with
JFC
>>102518041Office Silbur is so hot
>>102518334While this is funny and all, I kinda feel bad for the talents, they didn't deserve this.
Say what you want about hololive, but they at least paid their talents. Not getting paid for almost one year is fucked.
>>102518401as it should, he also fucked up by trusting EN to keep their word on money
This is a waste of time. Fucking call Gunrun on stream, the buck stops with him. If he doesnโt show up, there will be no more questions.
>>102518453wake up samurai, we got a corpo to burn
>>102518432>If JP staff was doing goodThey literally just said that dude got his pay cut in half.
UNIONIZE VTUBERS
DEATH TO THE CAPITAL HOLDERS
gunrun in witness protection, hiding from kson's yakuza akasupa regulars
>>102518432are you not listening? EN is holding all finances. so JP cant give shit if EN held the money. listen to the fucking stream
>>102518442You mean like the one that just today made it clear she left because she's getting married and starting a family, settling down?
>>102518353>>102518342Why is she focusing on the staff? For fucks sake, focus on the english side of the group taking all the money, this is pointless and you're just assigning blame on the party that has no fault here. Fuck everyone here.
>we forgot to make money so we couldn't pay you
I hope you guys realize you are posting in a historic thread
>>102518496His phone is swimming in some river anon, the man himself is leaving the country
It was good until it wasn't.
>>102518533he began by saying he's not familiar with the structure and operations of the english branch and can't comment on them
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