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>>102518427
500k is just the charity money we know about. There's likely millions of dollars "disappearing"

>me me me
kiara meme heh

Imagine if she went back to her previous employer.
She could make back the money she lost just in the return stream.

>>102518590
Don’t give me hope.

unlikely to get paid
depends on what happens with Vshojo EN (doomed)

chances that the FBI gets involved and Gunrun goes to jail?

>>102518574
orange women never change

[B]osting in [L]egendary thread

>>102518519
Exactly. even just mouse and a few smaller streamers plus charity would probably be north of 10 million

stream in a nutshell?

kson would be a good dominatrix

>>102518590
Tbh I don't want her back. She's just a retard that's gonna end up dragging others down with her if she manages to rejoin.

All the bait threads made the vsj thread disappear...

this entire call just ensured vshojo the company loses in court
>we had money
>JP was profitable
>but we didnt pay
ALL OF THIS WAS ADMITTED on stream.

These hacks haven't paid anyone since September last year kek Gunrun flying to Mexico with millions as we speak

>>102518651
naked dogeza

>>102518651
>Where's the fucking money?

>>102518651
Everyone has been getting fucked for the better part of a year and somehow no one said anything until now

>>102518637
Would be funnier to me if Mel wound up going to jail.

>>102518634
She would have to sue in the US right away and hope to be near the top of the bankrupcy stack

>>102518651
kson:
>I was already planning on leaving Vshojo later this month
>I haven't been paid since September of last year

she's interviewing JP CEO right now
>did you just say Vshojo JP has been doing well?
>sou desu ne
>but you haven't paid me...
>hai
>I quit Vshojo today
>hai
(...)
>you tell me you could have paid me?
>sou iu koto desu
>then where is it? where is it, i want it now!
>[silence]

as for the question "how it happened?"
> they didn’t do this maliciously, they just weren’t good at it
job too hard, they couldn't figure out how to pay talents anymore

>>102518651
Kson: WHERE IS MY GODDAMN MONEY
The Cat Guy: Sou desune.... maybe you will get it, maybe not...

>>102518651
Kson begging for money while this guy is begging for people to support Vshojo
Its a shitshow on both sides

>>102518673
>drag others down
>when she's responsible for us have entire branches outside JP now

>>102518465
So it's exactly how it looks - EN was sinking under its own weight because their cash flow was fucked, they tried to break into the JP market to recover, and it wasn't enough to cover both. Robbing Peter to pay Paul, Vtuber edition.

>>102518590
You could have seen the implosion of vshojo coming a mile away just based on the last year’s worth of corpgrads choosing to go full indie and find their own small scale sponsors and merch manufacturers. Nobody wanted to go into palliative care at the nepo retirement home anymore. Corporations are over for this industry.

>>102518349 (OP)
So since everyone is leaving what's stopping anyone in the company going rogue?

This is the power of talent freedom!

>>102518678
It doesn't matter if they lose if the company is insolvent and doesn't have anything to take
And its hard to hold executives personally liable without some kind of criminal acts

>>102518566
>>102518519
Sure. So for it to be a financial mistake their bookkeeper should be not a hamster, but that rocking bird thing from that Simpsons episode when Homer got extremely fat.

>>102518673
She knows she quit paradise now.
She knows she can't cut it as an indie, and she knows other corpos suck way more than whatever issues Cover has.

>>102518702
speaking of which, where the fuck is gunrun? I haven't seen him anywhere in months. Just silent on this?

>>102518778
!!!

More like WeShowYouNoMoney

>>102518777
This is a legal matter now. There's also NDAs.

>>102518651
GUNRUN WITH THEM MONEY
JP CEO PAYCUT (below half) AT THE START OF THIS YEAR
KSON WITH THE "WHERE'S MAH MONEY" IN FRONT OF JP CEO

>>102518637
Unironically seriously high. The charity money stuff is a federal crime just from the amount of money and the fact it was raised for charity has tax implications.

>>102518651
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlJGfFqYEms

>>102518651
Where's money Lebowski
Litteraly

>>102518814
Someone needs to edit Gunruns face on this and put the quest "Staff freedom"

>apparently biggest drama in vshojo.
>It's losing in viewers to DJ Pikachu right now.
Well, I guess people didn't care about vshojo to begin with.

>>102518802
either preparing a statement that won't be taken well no matter how you cut it or out of the country by now

>>102518349 (OP)
>reveals the shady, shitty practices of vshojo
>/vt/ collectively shits on him
> he was right

Man this is honestly just embarrassing all around. Why do these corpos think they can get away with yoinking money from their own talents? Also, why do these people stay with a company that isn't paying them for their work?

>>102518651
>WHERE'S MAH MONEY NIGGA! WHERE'S THA MOTHERFUCKIN' MONEY NIGGA!
>Hai... hai... eto.... eeehhhh... me so sorry me don' no where yo money is... sou desune
>Sou desune... so why didn't you pay anyone retard?

Tonight's entertainment

>>102518814
>this ad cost them almost 13K $

Shoulda just stayed a dragon.

>>102518814
TALENT FREEDOM!!

the US side is uhhhh (kek)
EN VTUBING WAS A MISTAKE

blessed be the japanese strategy of confronting scandal with endless soudesune...

>>102518664
>where is it, i want it now! *deskpan*
i wish she would do a small cock humiliation scene where she mocks the listener for not giving her enough

I swear you could torture a JP businessman for company secrets and he would still start with "sou desu ne"

>>102518814
Freedom from income.

>>102518831
you need money to enforce NDAs. if the company is blowing up, there's no money

>>102518892
WHO FUCKING CARES WHAT SOME DISC JOCKEY IS DOING

>admitting to lying to the talents
it's actually over kek

>>102518908
If /vt/ actively shits on someone for whistleblowing on something, it usually means that person is right

>>102518928
The difference between this stream and picrel.

>so that was a lie
>mou sou desu ne…

>>102518986
DISKY JOCKEY

>>102518637
Wasn't he born in Mexico? He could try and hop the border.

>>102518892
To be fair these remixs are good.

>>102518764
>Corporations are over for this industry.
In EN maybe.
Though HoloEN is doing well and is still prestigious even with the recent graduations.
Phase is also trucking along just fine.
NijiEN can carry on with zero growth just off Rosemi's fanbase.
But yeah who the fuck is joining a startup or micro corpo now?

>>102518967
Peel the nigga's toenails off, castrate him, break his fingers, and he'd still start AND end every sentence with an exasperated sigh and a very calm Sou Desu Ne.

Who's Nova, chat

>>102519025
That stream was amazing

>>102518928
>implying there are cons

>>102518814
how much does it cost to put ad in tokyo subway?

>>102518908
I'M A CHAD TYPE

>>102518983
At this point every talent and staff at Vshojo is looking for their next gig, their main concern is limiting damage to your reputation.

>>102518986
No anon it's literally Pikachu. Like THE Pikachu the Pokémon

>>102518853
I bet $200 it was all verbal agreements... So therefore not fraud or felony etc.

What's Nova btw? Never heard of it.

I hope this drama ends soon so we can return to watching Mouse farm sparks in Umamusume

>>102518928
Evil Yagoo didn't let her become a whore in Ryu Ga Gotoku.

>>102519025
Even the people who quit on poor terms ultimately had nothing really bad to say about the company.

I look forward to remembering this stream with you all in another 2 years

>>102519133
only top level people have something to worry about. also how big was the management side of vshojo? can't be more than 20-30 people

>>102519133
>limiting damage
We are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay past that anon

Glad that cunt henya is getting her comeuppance for abandoning her friends in VOMS

>>102519067
I was about to say, a lot of indies were saying to just stay indie but that can still be hard as fuck and this situation is Vshojo specific. If an indie was asked to join Holo they'd still take it

>>102519202
nice le maymay bro

>>102518908
He AND JAIDEN ANIMATIONS was right.

>>102519202
So do we just not cared that Doki almost killed herself with company approval anymore or

>>102519154
NOVA is the name of Vshojo's JP branch, who I am surprised to hear are doing well considering how few people know about them.

>>102519133
Splash damage please

Wait, so VShojo JP is continuing? He’s talking like it’s still going to operate.

>>102519067
People still do. I don't think anyone has any illusions that these micro corps will make them big, but maybe get them off the ground.
The more pertinent question is who is still making them. Just so many failed companies at this point, even ones that were ostensibly doing ok. It's a massively flawed model.

It's really crazy that Cover and Nijisanji are said to be badly run, but relatively speaking, they are decent companies
Vtuber business is over

Uncle Sam is going to fucking destroy Gunrun's asshole. Stealing charity money is a huge no-no

Come home kson... At least we'll pay you.

Oh so it's a pyramid scheme, except the pyramid only has two floors and the second floor only has 1 block.

>>102519267
To be fair, "well" just means more money in than out. The Nova girls could just be getting paid pennies (but like actually, not from scamming)

>>102519316
>Nijisanji
>decent company
Sister...

>>102518986
funny cause... the Pikachu DJ fit really well with Kson stream:
Lavender Town remix when she ask about the finances.
Battletheme when Kson I quit

>>102519316
vtubing corpo bubble was a ZIRP phenomenon. vtubers will stay but how the economics around them work will change forever.

ARE YOU HERE, PARROT?
BACK TO THE MINES! YOU HAVE HOMEWORK TO DO!

>>102519259
It's just recent tribulations.

"Talents First" in Vshojo slogan mean "We Take Your Money First"

MONEY DOKO??????

put me in the screencap!

>apology
LOL

APOLOGIZE.

>will there be a statement
Nah, they need to find the money first

>>102519284
He doesn't even know if he'll be the CEO by the end of this call, I can't blame him for falling back on the corpo spiel of "we'll be here after this controversy"
Plus he might be hoping to pull a Second Wind, taking all the talent and staff of the JP branch and doing the bare minimum of rebranding to become an independent entity.

>>102518637
Depends on what kind of hat he wears.

explain weebs

WE APOROGIZE
kek

When is Legal Mindset joining the call?

sou desu ne

So TLDR is: Usa fucked up everything

I kinda feel sorry for this guy, seems like he got completely blindsided by the EN side.

>>102519305
It's the same thing as people pushing for live service games. Sure there are a lot of failures, but if you make it big, you make it REALLY big. For some people, it's worth the risk.

>>102518814
It says Talent Free not Talent Fee

>>102519504
don't say his name, you will attract kiwitroon with their rrats

>>102518349 (OP)
This is the most cringeworthy stream I've seen in a while

Honestly the only talent at Vshojo that I care is Henya. I hope everything will be okay for her.

>>102519515
who the fuck is usa?

>>102519351
And they built it upside down, since they seemed to be hoping the smaller JP branch would prop up the rest of it.

>>102519560
that makes it legendary crash out.

>it was green on the jp side
>we pass all finances back to the red en branch, so they need to sort it
Looks like the theory they were using new expansion to pay back old debts and needed to keep up the pace to outrun their mistakes was true

>>102518590
No, Hololive is doing businesses with china

>>102519560
Didn't feel this way since the reddit meme review. I missed this.

People trusted you Kson...

>>102519504
>Begging for Pedo Mindset to join the call
Gross

>>102519575
usada

so who exactly is the person behind all this scandal? is it the CEO?
what even happened to mowtendew, did he just not have any power at all before leaving?

>>102519504
He's going to be eating like crazy today.

>>102519611
They're doing business with Taiwan too.

>>102519259
damn, yesterday Vshojo was listed as one of the global big three and today we're arguing over whether it or NijiEN is worse

>>102519608
a vtuber ponzi scheme. top kek

>are you really quitting today?
>if i want to quit, i quit […] i quit two hours ago.
KEK

>>102519618
She said she trusted Vshojo. But yeah...this sucks. Talent Freedom slogan is just too good to be true.

>>102519661
watashi wa desu ka??

>>24401491
>They feel burnt out because they no longer have the same success they had a year ago.
>They failed to capitalize on their success and hence have been pushed out of the market by the likes of VShojo and Nijisanji.
>Holos aren't "taking breaks", they are actually applying for better opportunities because they know staying in Hololive is unsustainable.
This post aged like fine wine.

You waited till Mouse blew the lid on things, that does not look good.

>>102518928
She wanted it, but china was mad at her reading some viewership statistics

I hope they sue the fuck out of her for breach of contract and she is forced to become a prostitute so I can fly her out to dubai and defecate on her chest

>>102519267
its less 'everyone in JP is doing well' and more 'our cut of henya alone is big enough to pay for the entire branch'

So that guy is definitely cranking his hog to Kson now, right

Some explanation on why staff got paid first

So Kson is just a griefing whore as expected huh? “Yeah I totally was gonna leave the company this month anyway, I just waited to dogpile until something else came out”

So she wasn't hasn't gotten paid since last September, and she was completely okay with vshojo trying to lure in new people to scam? Why didn't she say something?

>it's not about the money, it's all about the trust uwu
press (x) to doubt

>>102518778
>>102518814
they've been freed from their money

>>102519624
Having sex with adult Asian women in Asia does not make you a pedo

Need the Kson edit

>>102519679
Gunrun is the one that needs to explain. even Mowtendoo was shocked about what happened!

>>102519789
Go make a dookie thread, seethesister

>>102519776
Why is anyone treating this pedophile like he knows anything about law? He's not an actual lawyer, just leave it to ironmouse

IRyS left Project Hope to form Holo Promise, so you know... there's a VSinger opening for Coco hehe

>>102519789
Not suprising, even shitlily and the nijiman orbiter fag are all like "I was approached years ago but I got the ick, so glad I didn't join". Vtubers are literal clout demons

>>102519789
>>102519820
sunken cost fallacy. she thought she was gonna get paid one day. one day turned to one week, and so on.

>>102519690
Hololive cannot guarantee her safety. That was proven after the holo mods didn't prevent the harassment. She is not coming back, just like henya is not returning to voms

>>102519821
Said 'where's my money' at least 10 times in this stream
Nah lmao

>>102518349 (OP)
>Vshojo gets formed and tries to position itself as the "savior of vtubing" where the workers have "freedom"
>I can immediately tell it's a scam just from its socialist language
>Vshokeks defend it with their lives, and cry and shit themselves whenever anybody criticizes their sacred cow
>fast forward to 2025
>Vshojo is completely exposed as an actual black company and is now dead
I will now proceed to smugly dab on Vshokeks

>>102519697
True that
I just think abusing your talents either directly (Selen as the big example) or indirectly (keeping a sexual predator around them) has to be worse than just not writing checks
I think most if not literally all the girls can survive, the only question mark is Melody's work visa

>>102519856
NO ONE CARES HASAN

>>102519856
kiwitroons and somali butt pirates are here.

Did Kson not want staff to get paid? Wagies don’t deserve to eat or pay rent if a millionaire streamer doesn’t get paid first?

>>102519891
man this is legendary

>>102519843
>Grooms a child for nudes
>Encourages people to fly to countries with high child prostitution to buy hookers
>Somehow not a pedo

>>102519856
Hasan pls, he's at least better than you.

>>102519893
You lost Gura this very year. You don't have the moral high ground here.

>>102518814
they got this all messed up

>>102519259
worse things happened in nijiKR, nijiCN and nijiJP(rrat but nobody can confirm or deny)

>VShojo betrayed kson more than hololive ever could
How did this happen?

>>102519965
I don't like the guy either but lying about someone being a child rapist is pretty sick

>>102519969
kek

>>102519334
I don't want her to return but I do want to her to appear in some concert, that'd be hilarious.

>>102519969
kek

>>102519845
How can Mowtendoo be shocked? He left in may of THIS year, they haven't been paying JP talent since september LAST year.

>>102519984
>cons: (You)

>>102519776
Stop posting this fucking retard

>>102518908
Shalom

>>102519984
cons: nothing (Ferrari amount of money)

>>102519332
It’s possible he didn’t actually steal charity money.

>>102519856
Seethe more hasan

>>102519883
Kson would be totally safe coming back to Hololive. Literally all she'd have to do to defeat the spam is turn on subscriber mode.

>>102519984
As in you get conned into being paid nothing

>>102520009
>don't like the guy
Doubt
>Lying about someone being a child rapist
Doubt

Wait wtf Legal Mindset did what

>>102520005
Tldr never work with friends. Never do loans with friends. Etc.

When is proctor joining the call?

>>102519984
cons: literally nothing

Sou desu ne, would be funny if the money went poof thanks to gunrun horse betting due his Yakuza tarrifs and whatnot, people did shit on the schizos out here calling gunrun a Yakuza now look at what happened kek.
Also Parrot you sick fuck I know you are here, put me on the video you coward!

>>102520123
There needs to be a 2 view for him to groom if you want him to join

>>102520105
nothing, terrorist worshipping nepo babies just talking shit

>>102518349 (OP)
daily reminder that she was astronomically wrong she could have never been more wrong about a company

Just say sorry to China and return to Hololive, it's not that big of a deal.

>>102518349 (OP)
is crazy

>>102519856
Hasan please, why are you even here? you don't even watch VTubers you Jihadist Sand Nigger.

We need HIM.

>>102519893
to be honest, they won in the socialist mindset - they've "redistributed" money from the wealthy vtubers to the poor and talet-defficient (themselves)

>>102520091
Being American and having sex with children in other countries can be prosecuted in America and usually does get prosecuted.

>>102519984
Cons: (You are paid) nothing!

>>102520105
it's just kiwi troons making up shit to be mad about. there's also beef with hasan so leftoids are malding too.

>>102520182
Maybe that was true back then. You could say the same about hololive, they were more lax back then.

>>102518721
>Released because she keeps asking to be cuffed and tortued, and the guards are getting freaked out

>>102520074
That's not happening. It's more probable that she creates her own corpo or staying indie

>>102520189
he's got bigger fish to fry

>>102520201
Why do you think he fled the country?

Imagine getting sou da ne'd out of your pay for a full year and then needing someone else to out them before doing anything

kson primed to join Doobys new company

>>102518764
kson likely negotiated a better contract for herself

>>102520267
>bigger fish to fry
>15th "They can't get away with this!?!?!" Kekstein vid
wew lad

>>102520185
Chinese fans of hololive want her to be arrested and deported there. That bridge was burned down

so. vshojo jp was doing fairly well but vshojo EN sucked it dry...
i do feel sorry for the girls

>>102519856
but he IS an actual lawyer, retard

>>102518915
Why people stay is strangely a thing people just do. I've heard of nightmare stories of people working 9-5 jobs, not getting payed for months and racking up debt collections, and STILL working digilently. Im guessing some people are just prone to not stepping up for themselves when faced with an authority figure (in this case their boss).

Maybe Kson should get in a call with pikamee and apologize for roping her into VShojo

>>102519037
i thought he's a flip

>passport bro
kiwi sleeps
>passport bro with children
kiwi realshit?

>>102520201
I thought America was the land of the free?

>>102519891
So if your friend doesn't give you your money back, you can still be angry at him for breaking your trust. I think it's fair.

>>102520189
JustinTV: "I'll put $10mil on Goldship"
Shinagawa Tokyo Horse Race Kiosk: "sir, Goldship is retired"

>>102520105
He groomed a child then dumped her when she turned 18. He's a sexpat that encouraged men to take advantage of teenage prostitutes in Thailand. He also fled the country while he was getting charged for not paying off his debts and while a police report of his grooming was being created

>>102520299
Dooby can’t even handle her own life much less a company

Just create Akatsuki Kson and become the CEO of it.

>>102520222
I wonder if they understand people are more than willing to walk into palantir's surveillance dystopia if they're first in line, they are absolutely the first ones everyone is going to call their local alphabet agency over.

Well that's a wrap she will stay indie for a forseeable future.

>>102520254
>No, officer, you don't understand! I did it! I'm a dirty, money-stealing whore and you need to punish me like the bad girl I am!
>Ma'am please you've been standing outside the police station for two hours

>>102520185
Fuck you and fuck Chinese cockroaches,
Taiwan is a country, cunt.

kson gonna buy a girl lets gooooooo

We are seeing a company the size of Vshojo going under live. Holy shit vtubing as a business is trash.

>>102520351
Remember the pigeon did NOTHING to prevent Pika from being harassed after the harry potter game

>>102518908
he's still a retard

>>102519923
>>102519966
>>102520059
>>102520188
You retards do realize Hasan is friends with ironmouse, right?

>>102520185
I can't hear you over your 清冲 清冲 清冲 清冲

>>102520449
Somehow they ran out of money if they aren't paying talent

>>102520185
Yo what if she gets Xi Jinping on a discord call and she adds text that says 'China CEO for now' over his head

>>102519967
kek you keep posting this in every thread and everyone keeps shitting on you or ignoring you
keep doing it, its funny, but not for the reasons you think

>>102519679
real life does not work like that, that there is some evil twisting mustache villains . It was just bunch of people "trusting the process". As an employee you believe your CEO knows what he's doing, CEO takes risks and deals with the consequences of their previous decisions

>>102520432
Country in your mind? Ok

>>102520489
she should be friends with sam hyde instead

>>102520489
NO ONE CARES BBNO$

>>102520404
That's the point, Dooby can handle others but not herself. This is always the case since Hololive.

what the fuck is going to happen with the nova girls

>>102520394
literally made up

>I HATE EVERYONE, I DON’T EVEN KNOW WHO TO HATE, FUCK YOU
KEEEEEEEK

>>102520489
no you're not, hasan. she just played nice with you because she didn't want your literal terrorist viewers to suicide bomb her.

Who wants to Microwave Gunrun?

>>102518764
You better hope there're still corpo willing to invest in this industry or else it will come to an end sooner or later, especially EN.

>>102520579
Comfort girls

all vtuber corpos are shit, she was right: black companies.

>>102520528
That is not going to change the fact that you lost Gura this very year and she is more active after she left hololive.

>>102520489
nobody ever said she wasnt retarded, thats when girls are cutest anyway

>>102520432
They don't even think this themselves

I can't wait for Sayu's statement on this.

>>102520534
I should just start a company and pocket the money and run.

>>102520588
Kson is a treasure.

Where did all the money go...

>>102520656
lol

I think Coco can be an affiliate at least.

>>102520579
JAV/Fantia

>>102520540
Taiwan is a country.

>>102520364
paella pae-yah

>>102520579
They will become kson sextoys

Wait, so she's claiming that they hadn't paid her in almost a fucking year? And all that time, she continued to sing the company's praises? Yet the only time she, or anyone else decide to bring it up was after Mouse made a big show of leaving.
Total corpo death, yeah, but this story has more holes than a Columbian hooker who stole from her pimp.

>>102520638
>leaves a company that decided to burn their bridge with the massive chink market for her sake
>joins a literal pyramid scheme
>calls every corpo a black company
lol

>>102520672
keep sucking that ccp cock

>>102520708
That doesn't mean anything anon. They can't even make merch for her.

>>102518721
she could share a jail cell with ghislane maxwell
take that however you will

>>102520737
>be #1 superchat earner ON THE PLANET
>retard yagoo does fuck all to help her
niji and cover are both fucking trash

>>102519967
>You don't have the moral high ground here.
Gura didn't like working for Cover but at least they paid her never stole charity money, so I do have the moral high ground, actually

>>102519893
The jew company also promoted themselves like that and they sold.

>>102520449
VShojo was pretty small as a company, to the point where I'd argue they largely sank entirely because they were too small for the scale of their talents. Either it's a talent owned co-operative where you support each other, or it's a full blown corp that gets involved with your finances and uses the profits of the talents to pay for itself. VShojo's model of just handling merch was always a bad idea, especially since talents were free to contract out to other people to arrange merch that VShojo had no claim over. At that point your corporation is in active competition with it's own talent, which is just fucking stupid.

>>102520794
>be #1 superchat earner ON THE PLANET
We're not talking about Rushia, retard, that chick was too mentally ill to be employed by anyone.

>>102520737
>burn their bridge
>china came back swimming to beg on their knees
hololive just can't lose

The redditdragon deserves this karma after inviting the massive hordes of /pol/roaches into vtuber hobby with her chimpout.

>>102520734
kson already said it earlier in english, she waited a long time because she was afraid that she won't get paid if she complained at an earlier time and revealed the shit that was going on. now that it feels like they won't get paid anyway, she revealed her side.

>>102520770
>Giving Ame money.
She only works for free.

I think a properly impositioned tariff can solve this.

>>102520505
Because the Vshojo model is flawed. How is a company supposed to make money when they only get a cut of merch and sponsors when they can’t manage to get either?
Not to mention all the advertisement spending used on cons.

rip ferrari

>>102518349 (OP)
Kson just made herself unemployable for life, nobody in Japan is going to hire a menhera which decided to shame his boss and the company in front of a live audience.

I like how VShojofags cope that they own their IP and shit. But if the company uses their IP to sell merch, and they don't get paid for one year, what good does that do to them?

>>102520870
Yes
Yagoo has got China on a leash now
She can come back safely

>>102520734
Anon, what I'm about to tell you might be difficult to take in. Imagine women whose prime job is to have a fake persona and lie for hours to entertain her sponsors, those women might sometimes... Lie.
Also, I don't believe a single word coming out of ironmouse's mouth.

>>102520803
>barely streams for like three years
Trust me, anon, they did worse.

>>102518814
Talent free; dom!

>>102520879
>shilled vshojo and praised them in fear of not getting paid if she shit talked them
That’s some Niji tier shit

Wait, but they all at least still got the money from merch and sponsor deals, yeah?

The ONE good thing about Vshitshow is the talents themselves can keep streaming as they were because they own the character/model IP.

>>102520868
her and coco went back and forth. and both were handled poorly.

>>102520540
West-taiwanese made this post

>>102520803
No, you don't. Your corpo alienated and discouraged one of their most important talents to the point she is more active and more engaging after she graduated from your corpo.

>>102520727
Bark please, USA puppy

>>102520935
It's gonna come out in 2 weeks. Believe.

>>102520959
nope. no money

>>102520874
China had the chimpout retard.
Over a countries name on screen.

>>102520911
She doesn't care. She now have trust issue and will probably never work for another corpo.

>>102520931
But she won't, she is done with corpos

>the staff is getting payed before the talents
Are we supposed to feel bad because they prioritized the minimum wage employees of the company over the multi millionaire 'talents'?

>>102520879
That makes sense for a month or two. Maybe four. But 10 fucking months?
How long are YOU willing to work for free, anon?

>>102520874
did you mean pippa

>>102520925
Well that didn't take long. kek
>>102520961

>>102521005
That makes no fucking sense. Then why do they only open their mouths about it now?

>>102520982
Im RUSSIAN lol

>>102520986
>more active and more engaging
hahahahaha

>>102520961
That how they've avoided all criticism over everyone leaving over these past few months.
Scamming people out of thousands of dollars is no biggie if the talents get to keep the IP :)

>>102520341
He has never worked on a case. He spent the majority of his time away from the country he could even practice law in the first place. His research is entirely just looking shit up on chatgpt and Google. Leave it to ironmouse's lawyers who actually know what they're doing

>>102520986
Still better than Vshojo lol

>>102521035
>ever believing women
She'll be back to sucking corpo dick once she realizes she can't get anything done on her own.

>>102520911
>*Knock* *Knock*

come home dragon lady

>>102521072
kson said that she feared she won't get paid if she talked about it.

>>102520991
Go back to your Chinese landlocked Internet roach.
The rest of the world knows the facts.

>>102521077
fucking disgusting

I bet she feels really retarded about the whole talent freedom trite, deserved for biting the hand that feeds her

>>102521079
12 streams is less than 2 months
>>102521104
She is not coming back

>>102521146
But there are more than just kson

>>102521101
>He has never worked on a case.
why are you schizos so butthurt about LM? because he shat upon your butt buddy hasan? KEK

>>102521043
You should be afraid for not recognize a ponzi scheme, anon

Freedom from talent

>>102521163
Go back to eating your piss eggs, you chink insect.

>>102521182
china?

>>102521050
I'm pretty sure VShojo talents get to keep whatever they make from subs, superchats and subscriptions, so they 'just' owed her for the merch. She wasn't starving or completely out of cash, but definitely making a lot less than she should have been.

In an alternate universe, it was haachama that joined VShojo and they got a much funnier stream with the JP CEO.

>>102521145
Imagine her coming back as an affiliate

>>102520185
Fuck off Zhang, NEVER COME BACK

jp girls at least want to continue streaming

>>102521210
They're too but hurt their Nigger, Johnny Somali is Rotting in South Korea

>>102521200
Everyone looks out for themselves, vshojo has never been a cohesive unit

>>102521182
1989 tiananmen square protests and massacre.

>>102520991
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>>102521091
That was all they could do when they knew their asses were fucking grass, and were waiting for someone to start the mower. Hope they could just sail by. Let talents leave in hopes nothing came to light. Also see how several non-talents left the company, trying to escape so they could create distance before news broke. That company is absolutely fucked.

>>102521249
She said Ferrari money, they're not cheap

Kson is literally on suicide watch right now

>>102521210
hasan, legal mindset and you deserve the rope

didn't she lie in that interview about making six figures lol, she really was all in on the black corpo and was intent of scamming other poor indies too

>>102521333
Ferrari Money means jack, Ferrari doesn't even let you get the cooler cars if you're a Normal Fag

>>102521308
Ching chang chong ching?
Sry i dont understand grasshopers language

>>102521282
his trial is next month. can't wait for kiwitroons to rope while LM hits 500k subs

>>102521414
Okay nigger I guess it was 500 dollars

>>102521401
>puts hasan first
i know what you are

>>102521333
Which lines up with what I've heard from multiple content creators over the years - superchats and subs barely keep you afloat and the real money is in everything else - sponsorships, merch and so on.

>>102521430
It literally just says ching chong ching chong etc. lmao

>>102521200
>Vshojo skinms from the top of donation pools
>Not sure for how long, but possibly years
>Talents get kickbacks from this as long as they don't say anything
>IM realises they can't keep this up forever and they will eventually get caught
>Exposes the half million stolen from the IDF charity fund, using her disability as a shield like she always does
>Suddenly everyone is in fight-or-flight mode
>Make up outrageous lies like "I haven't been paid in a year, but was scared to bring it up owo"
>They were all fucking in on it.

This is my rrat, and I'm sticking with it.

>>102521515
how come asmongold lives off superchats and subs? never saw take sponsors or merch sales

>>102518762
>en was constantly in the red
>jp was making a ton of money
vermin who shat on "idolshit" on suicide watch

I wish I could shout at my company's CEO regarding the money he owes me

>>102521412
this
never forget "zero downsides"
never forget poaching michael and pikamee
never forget keeping silent about herself getting scammed all while the company poached more and more gullible retards for whom the same fate awaited

>>102521513
well yes, hasan needs to get hanged first

>>102520516
lmfao

>>102520697
>kson is a treasure
she is a foul mouthed moron who threatened her co-workers livelyhood because she just had to be racist to china

>>102520042
but enough about melody

>>102521522
i believe this fully and i will now turn it into my religion and make multiple bots posting about it nonstop at all hours of the day

>>102521571
The blessings of Nurgle

>>102521571
He gets millions of views on his YouTube videos.
Also his content is basically talking in front of a camera.
Kson wanted to make an event, probably something involving 3D.

>>102521644
okay zhangoid, you got anymore grievances that we should care about?

legal vulture on it soon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMTsM7Q5PtI

>>102519097
the only proper gen vshojo has ever had

>>102520020 "Coco, just one song in the EN concert, I'll pay you double what Vshoujo owes you"

>>102519515
I bet VSHOJO was getting some of that USAID money Elon and his zoomers slashed.

>>102521719
i hate this faggot so fucking much. even more so because /vt/ retards are bankrolling his grift

>>102521719
not LM! hank yoo chan save me tatsakete!!

>>102521719
>unironically posting grifter mindset

>>102521522
I'll put my tinfoil hat, but kson's story doesn't make sense to me.

Not getting paid for a year, a total amount which she herself compared to a new Ferrari is not just being patient with them. Every normal person would have pursued legal action after the first payment delay.

The biggest coincidence that she already decided to quit what turned out to be just a week after IM's bomb drop. There's no way they haven't talked about it behind the scenes.

Not blaming her or anything, but I think she knows more than what she letting on.

>>102521719
but what does proctor think??

>>102521719
If for nothing else, I respect the grind. This motherfucker can leech off anything.

>>102521841
>>102521870
cope and seethe

>>102521870
but I called him a vulture, so it wasn't unironical

>>102520422
that's what she said last time too

>>102520049
It's possible you might shit a nugget of solid gold today.

>>102521890
I wonder if japs are used to not getting paid or something

>>102519856
>>102520489
holy shit I hope a mudslide bombs the shit out of this hasan faggot

>>102521644
you should blame youtube for that then because all she did was look at viewer statistics and taiwan was there

>>102519221
she did the same to Zen

>>102521714
>zhang zhang zhang
Rent free, if americans understood when to retreat and when to advance kson and holoCN would both exist still

>>102521911
He went from a nobody to having Asmongold and Tectone react to him.

>>102519843
>adult
he doesn't know

>>102521644
Hey Dumbass if you're still dickriding, you should be blaming YouTube for showing the Superior China (Taiwan) because that's what YouTube Recognizes as "Real Chinese"

>>102521644
>racist to china
She wasn't

>>102521960
holy newfag, haachama did it first and got a very slight pushback so kson went scorched earth like the spiteful cunt she is and pulled it up on stream on purpose because she hates is a racist pos

>>102521742
Shaking ass for money is her true calling after all

>>102520986
You want to cope with this so bad anon, but I assure you that given the chance she'd commit self-destruction again without a second thought.

>>102522107
>and got a very slight pushback
lol

>>102521989
>Roach king fence sitter and the Johnny Somali of gacha games
I wonder if LM questions the company he keeps now

>>102521644
>racist to china
This is a objectively, morally correct thing to do.

>>102521911
He was the only legal guy covering johnny somali's antics. That caused him to blow up last year

>>102521719
>>102521870
I blame phaseniggers for making this guy remotely relevant

>>102522224
THIS

>>102522198
they are all right wing grifters if you didnt realize

So wheres gunrun?

>>102521644
>racist to china
Shut up West Taiwan

>>102518764
>Corporations are over for this industry.
The thing here is that Syndrome's "When everyone's super, no one will be" speech would fit like a glove right now, just replace the word super with Indie.

Everyone bailing out of a corpo and becoming indies are forced to manufacture an IP they can capitalize on, create merch, hire managers or employees that can help them acquire sponsors and reach out to bigger audiences... stuff that corpos already do, thus meaning that you're not really an "indie" at the end of the day because you're subject to the same external factors as corpos already were binded to. Shit's business.

>>102521890
>but I think she knows more than what she letting on.
No fucking duh, haven't you heard ALL of them saying 'there is only so much we can say legally'?

>>102521131
Crush 40 are more than likely being unpersoned if Sega ever decides to remaster any Sonic game before Free Riders with their music being replaced with some generic guitar riffs though.

>>102522179
Every single accusation from you people is just your own confession. It's OK anon, you can continue licking the soles of that corpo you love so much.

>>102522343
They're actually all left wing grifters.

>>102519067
>2025
>Rosemi
Eternally stuck holofag.

>>102520865
But they were clearly not just handling merch, unless KSON was talking about merch profits that she wasn't paid.

>>102519967
>You lost Gura this very year.
de jure? yes
de facto? in 2022

>>102521719
Stop posting this pedo here

>>102521890
Everyone wasn't getting payed, so it makes sense this imploded right now.
She kinda explained it. She stopped doing merch with VShojo in the beginning of this year, so that there was a hope for the money from last year to at least come in. So she is more or less missing a quarter year of payments + missed opportunities.


From a numbers perspective, it's interesting information. We can deduce that kson theoretically makes around $200k per quarter just from VShojo merch and sponsorships.

And that's in addition to SCs, Bits, Subs, Memberships, Fanbox, which she gets directly from the services themselves.
It's an interesting look into VTuber finances. Also explains how she easily made over a million dollars per year in revenue when VShojo was paying, even though she's barely a 4 view.