X+ Edition

Welcome to /xvsj+/! A thread to discuss vtubers who were once associated with a hot pink company.

All returns to chaos!

/xvsj+/ includes:
Amalee - https://www.twitch.tv/leeandlie
Froot - https://www.twitch.tv/apricot
Geega - https://www.twitch.tv/geega
Haruka - https://www.twitch.tv/harukakaribu
Henya - https://www.twitch.tv/henyathegenius
Hestia - https://www.twitch.tv/hestiahappiness
Hime - https://www.twitch.tv/hajime
Hotaru - https://www.twitch.tv/akatsukidhotaru
Kson - https://www.twitch.tv/ksonsouchou
Kuro - https://www.twitch.tv/k9kuro
Mata - https://www.twitch.tv/matarakan
Mel - https://www.twitch.tv/projektmelody
Michi - https://www.twitch.tv/michimochievee
Mouse - https://www.twitch.tv/ironmouse
Nagi - https://www.twitch.tv/NagIsekaied
Nazuna - https://www.twitch.tv/amemiyanazuna
Nyan - https://www.twitch.tv/nyanners
Peke - https://www.twitch.tv/pekeispeak
Silver - https://www.twitch.tv/silvervale
Vei - https://www.twitch.tv/vei
Zen - https://www.twitch.tv/zentreya

Related:
/999/ + /総長/ + /nova/ + /voms/ for Japanese talents once associated with a hot pink company
/lig/ and /big/ for more generalized + and friends discussion

Previous thread: >>102514132

over it is

Multiple

eeeto.....

>>102518568
Show it on stream. Why are we letting him off the hook

Kson bringing up why they're bringing in new talents when they can't even pay the current ones

I want to know what happens to JP now. I hope NOVA stays together as a group and support each other.

The song hits different now.

eto... we are done for... Sou desu ne

>VShojo staff cucked us out of MULTIPLE new JP members
Now this is just too much

This is his punishment for not having the guts to go through with harakiri

>>102518839
And now, the end is near

>WHERE IS MY MONEY
>to the fucking CEO
she is the best

>>102518465
the two were never really formally separate branches. it is rare that there are truly EN or JP specific events with no crossover. EN booths have both EN and JP talents and sell their merch. JP popups have both EN and JP talents and sell their merch. dividing the cashflow would be more of a headache than combining it.

vshojo was just a ponzi scheme
so are they all gonna sue the shit out of the org?

sou desu ne..

A moment of silence for all the people we lost along the way

>>102518852
>VShojo staff cucked us out of MULTIPLE new JP members
Imagine all of them being as good as the novas. JP could have been so good.

This is why streamers need to unionize. Management is going to walk away from this without any real consequences other than the specific brand getting abandoned. They'll move on to other projects and all be fine.

>>102518883
She should have done this with Gunrun. He’s literally getting away with it.

>>102518904
hai

I used to hate Kson but now I remember why she was so loved

>>102518883
To be fair, even he cant pay her atm, he cant access the funds since the US branch of Vshojo holds the accounts, so its fucked.

It's my birthday today
Some birthday it's been so far

Talking to the JP side is useless. Need to talk to the EN side but that'll never happen.

I was looking for
>/vsj
And I was wondering where is the thread heh

STAFF FIRST
TALENT LAST

>>102518946
Why would you hate kson? Even as a non-viewer, non-soncher, I respect the absolute fuck out of her.

I feel so bad for loutlot

compary is bracku

so desu ne...

>>102518852
they were onboarding multiple JP talents. we are blue balled out of literal kino in the making

>>102518941
Nah his phone was probably got burned while he's off to Mexico

>Kson spiraling out bitching about how talents aren't getting paid
With what money? Even the JP Ceo's story shows how dire their profit scheme is because in spite of "JP doing well financially" they had to plug up EN holes with JP money to the point that JP suffered pay cuts.

is mtd gonna say anything or does he think quitting before the bomb goes off is enough to keep him out of trouble?

>>102518996
holoniggery

>Vshojo tried recruiting Lily, Shoto, and U-san

Will Gunrun do naked Dogeza apology?

This is a total meltdown holy shit
Kson is struggle sessioning the JP CEO

>>102518893
what assets do they even have to sell? they probably don't even have a physical office with chairs or PCs to sell

>>102518957
Sending you a hug

>>102518963
When Mouse was talking about removing her money what did she mean? Was it purely merch cut or was some of her actual stream income being used because Vshojo had direct access?

KEK

Spineless and shit CEO for collecting his paycheck while fully aware that the girls were being fucked over

Why didn't they just give Peke the money to bet on horse races?
Are the stupid?

>>102519050
nice boat!

Please just end the stream KSON, do not dig this grave any deeper than it is, this is already part of the court case now, grats on making it into the chat if you wrote.

>>102519014
Yeah, then show he’s uncontactable and has been since this thing started. Not enough people are calling him out

>>102518974
Yeah it sounds like he did OK, but he's also her superior so it's his job to bring her complaints to his superiors.

>>102518974
I mean, this stream just told us. That EN just holds the money and JP management has no fault in unpaid money

>did anyone in VShojo say, hey...
Yeah, did you? Did you seriously never ever question how the fairy airy business plan worked?

>>102519065
Lol based

>>102519015
The company should take out loans to pay everyone and when they declare bankrupcy it only affects banks, instead of talent. Easy solution.

Melody and her silence is deafening.

Do fans really care that much where the money went after they paid for the merch and got it?

>>102519062
Mouse let twitch payments go through Vshojo as well due to fear of getting doxxed.

>>102519058
money doesn't just vanish, audit the CEO and get the money

>>102519130
shut the fuck up thread shitter

Saba fan here; you guys didn't deserve this. I hope you all can find happiness with the talents move on still. Hopefully Michi can recover.

>>102519126
yeah anon banks are really dumb and they will just lend you the money like that

>>102519070
as bad as it is, staff still needs to get paid somehow. you they weren't in the wrong they were just doing their jobs

>>102519126
That's just kicking the can down the road. It's not a solution at all.

>>102519070
They were getting fucked on merch money, which probably isn't that big of the income pie anyway. They kept everything else. His paycheck is his only source of income.

>>102519159
this is japan nigga

>>102519130
Melody won't cross the picket line.

I've seen this one before
This is just a rerun of Machinima but actually less malicious

>>102519113
Even Henya did wonder how Vshojo was even making money and told everyone to buy merch.

>someone could have stopped this
>it didn't have to go all the way
Seruously, how did they think this would play out? "Yeah, we're stealing from you and everyone else to pay staff. You're cool with that, right?" It's been a question here forever as to how Vshojo supports so much staff with relatively few active streamers, and I guess the answer is just they don't.

>>102519162
Yes but is the missing money also including her stream revenue? Because that is much worse than them just not giving her the merch cut.

Henya confirmed

>>102519130
Yep and its not good...at all

>Wanna see why they call me Gunrun?
>Guns himself down after failing to run away with the pocketed money
Kino

Really hope Loutlot will not be employed after this. This is too much of a fuckup, guy is absolutely incompetent.

>>102519180
I don't care about Michi. I hope Nova and Henya will be alright.

This is more like the fans got scammed by runrun since their money didn’t go to their oshi

Would things have been better if Gunrun had chosen to fill the financial hole with cocaine instead of stealing Mouse's money?

>>102519230
mouse said her twitch payout was going to vshojo and from there it was meant to go to her, if the payout to IDF never went through and the split was 50/50 then we can assume at least that much was meant to go to mouse and never did either

>>102519232
>i believe you and henya
what about NOVA...

>>102519019
He did make a statement. I'll paraphrase
>*snorts coke with a bunch of prostitutes*
>"Hey Gunrun"
>*buys a gold-plated horse*
>"what the fuck is up with this"
>*rides his horse into a private jet*
>"This is not cool, man"
>*flies to Vegas*

>>102519232
>im responsible for you and henya and nova
>i believe you and henya can keep going as indies
arent we forgetting something

pov: you're gunrun right now

>>102519113
Had they actually planned the business, it could have worked. An ever green merch line for each talent including plushies of their standard outfit, some decent brand merch Apari style, shit like that, plus an actual talent branch to get actual sponsors. Had they actually locked that down, the money would at least flow.

>>102519230
That seems to be the case yes, because the idf money was all twitch subs/bits.

>>102519313
Except they aren’t calling him out when they should

>>102519288
Nagi... Hotaru...Peke nooo

>>102519288
>>102519308
Their numbers are too shit to run away. Classic Japanese enslavement.

rip NOVA

>loutlot planning to split from the main branch to continue with the JPs only with their current managers
if you succeed in this loutlot, i will kneel forever

funds are safeu

>>102519288
>>102519308
It means he doesn't know if the nova girls would be able to survive on their own. Makes sense the girls usually float in the triple digits unless raided.
Still, imagine being Peke and coming back from vacation to probably not having a work place anymore.

>>102519350
>calling him out when they should
This isn't about calling out. This is about a court of law, anon. Calling out does nothing.

Man...

>>102519246
Falling on his sword to try and do something good is laudable.

Is it true that Ironmouse didn't pay charities any money? I read she has the money since it was split but she wants Vshojo to give the money while she skips out on it

>>102519361
FUCK

>>102519340
Even so, management needed like 90% of the merch cut. Would the talents stand for that?

>>102519350
They don't want to get sued.

>>102519395
gunrun please pay your streamers

>>102519388
You can call out the JP CEO but not the actual CEO? Why are we still protecting this guy

>>102519166
what if they blew it all on ads and con parties

>>102519019
Imagine if Gunrun was somehow responsible for Weed la Weed getting copyright-striked.

>>102519409
Easy. Evergreen merch supports the company, merch drops go to the talent with a split.

Kson is doing this so save face for all the jp staff and jp talents I think.

>Fucked over Kson
>Fucked over Henya
>Absolutely fucked over NOVAs
>Still got paid
TALENT FREEDOM!

>>102519387
fuck man, I really hoped that they would make it

Odds on honor seppuku?

>>102519361
Fuck no. I refuse to accept it.

was he getting choked up there at the end?

Explain to me the thought process with thinking you can get away with pocketing charity money.

>>102519530
what you just saw was the modern equivalent

Eh, the JP CEO just seems clueless about all this shit and is doing his best with the hand he's dealt. The English staff are the ones in control

>>102519460
What ads did US do? JP did Nova ads, but JP seemed to make enough profit to theoretically be able to pay everyone, if US didn't sack the money.
So it's really baffling where that went, because EN didn'tdo anything big?

It was actually Zen with the company credit card that ruined their finances

>>102519395
Ironmouse setup wasn't such that she would pay the money. Usually she does it through tiltify (which doesn't hit her bank account). And for the subathon she made Vshojo make the donation in her name with the money she raised with the subathon. Shich they failed to do.

>>102519113
I don't get it either.
They should have run positive like 2 years into their operations with such a small scale and when your original strategy didn't work out you shift directions

So NOVA is fucked beyond belief.

>>102519246
idk man, seems like he was setup to fail

Can anyone hack Gunrun computer?

>>102519565
"we'll make the money back in the future"

the streaming backpack will save vshojo

>>102519596
Zen said he was paying for all the shit out of his pocket. No "VShojo" credit card exists.

>>102519565
I mean what are they gonna do? sue him? lol they won't

>>102519593
Yeah, I don't think he did anything malicious, hes just in over his head and basically cut off

>>102519663
Kill yourself simon

On your knees
Apologize to Vei for calling out Vshojo contracts
You fucks called her greedy
You said Mythic offered her more money or that Soda's """brother""" was just a shit lawyer and she had no idea what she was doing
Turns our her and Silver were the most level-headed members that saw through Vshojo's bullshit and didn't let themselves get manipulated

>>102519628
They are dead(may)for real except for Hestia I guess cause she made her IP

>>102519395
No. Mouse had all her sub and donk money go to Vshojo for privacy reasons. The money would go to Vshojo, Vshojo then donates. Worked for subathon one, didn't work the second go around because Vshojo held the money.

>>102519425
Sue for what, they already spilled everything they can with regards to behind the scenes operations.

>>102519615
To add on to this Vshojo did do the payment for the first subathon she donated from. It is the second/last subathon that they failed to pay.

This could all have been avoided if all the JP and EN staff just worked for free. That way all the talent would keep getting paid.

Loutlot is a big vtuber fan and if I remember correctly was a big fan of Kson so I believe that he is trying to do his best. Bro is trying to fall on his sword for his oshi

>>102519565
How naive are you? Who do you think sets up half these “charities”?

The contract brainlet is still trying

You're time is comin, Gun Run.

kson was /here/ earlier

>get scammed by your merch partner
>join Vshojo for support so that it doesn't happen again
>

>>102519628
Isn't it possible that they'll still stream part-time, like Hestia?
Sure, they're probably not big enough to make this their main-gig, but they have the models and a fair amount of regular viewers.

This is heartbreaking.
Luv me Coco.
Luv me KSON.
She really went to bat for the company and it let her down.
I hope she gets justice.

>>102519685
it sounds to me like the opposite and the problem is the contracts were so good for the talents that the company actually didn't have enough money coming in to stay alive after four years of operational costs and resorted to theft

>>102519671
He's still incompetent. Fact is one of his talents was not being paid for almost a year and nothing was done on his end. No whistle blowing. Didn't change the contracts he just said he has the power to do. Nothing. He's not guiltless

>>102519801
kek

>kson stayed in Vshojo for 10 months without being paid
bitch you needed to say something like 8 months ago

>>102519685
They ran out of money then kept talent money to keep things going. You are still shit Silverfag and that won't change.

When are Henya and Michi streams?

>>102519801
Imagine if they were funneling all the money they could to her, and she has to awkwardly just remain quiet when everyone else talks about not being paid for months.

>>102519801
Scuff queen...
Imagine negotiating for over a year and then this.

>>102519019

>>102519565
Gotta spend money to make money. It's just a little loan to pay the salaries.

>>102519837
She is too strong for a vocal woman

I hope we can save Nagi. Maybe if she doesn't have to worry about about building up the JP branch she can pivot into speaking English more since she has a lot of EN oilers.

>>102519837
she still got her yt/twitch money (since VS doesn't take that) so she wasn't that pressed that much and decided to believe. but I guess now it's the boiling point

Why did none of the talents that were not getting paid reach out to the NOVA girls and amelee?

>>102519848
weh weh weh
keep crying shitter
>You are still shit and that won't change.
classic projection

>>102518737 (OP)

>>102519855
Silence is compliance. If your peer isn't being paid, you have an obligation to defend them.

>>102519703
She literally said she could and wants to say more. She also has to possibly deal with JP defamation laws.

>>102519855
Michi is 2 hours later

>>102519855
Michi in 1h45m, Henya idk

>>102519565
>Explain to me the thought process with thinking you can get away with pocketing charity money
The company I used to work for did the same.
They had a yearly Christmas charity event for local children's hospitals and homeless shelters for almost three decades.
Flawless reputation.
Then suddenly they pocketed the money and of course it got out. Turned out the company was in the red, hemorrhaging money every month and the higher ups decided that "borrowing" the charity funds was the right thing to do.
They no longer exist, as you can imagine.

>>102519855
Henya will stream in her usual time, it seems.

>>102519904
Nagi, Peke, Hotaru, Hestia. I want all 4 of them to make it through this.

>>102519937
>the apple does not fall far from the tree
this is the worst kind of self awareness

>>102519219
Yeah. Shocking that the answer is they don't.
There's a reason that literally all the other companies don't run their shit this way: it's because this shit is how you end up having to rob charity funds to stay afloat.

>lost a Ferrari amount of money
No way the slop merch was making that much.

Sad that NOVAs are completely fuck.
Kson will get the money back, Henya too.
NOVAs will have to go to FamilyMart

>>102519855
Henya 1 hour after her usual time.

>A Ferrari amount they took from Kson

>>102519913
Sunk cost fallacy. If you say anything you lose any chance of getting the money they owe you.

>>102519848
Easy on the seething there fella you might OD

>>102519996
Qrd?

>>102520007
Ferrari's aren't that expensive. They're just a pain in the ass to buy.

>Kson says she is owed a ferrari amount of money
so 200,000 to 500,000k

>>102520026
is that what she said?

>>102519904
She needs to start looking for an artist and rigger because gunrun definitely isn’t giving her the IP rights for free

so from what i'm getting vsj started to pocket any money they can to stay afloat but what was the fucking plan here? They generate money from their talents, it's not like they gonna release some merch that will go extremely mainstream and generate enough revenue to cover the funds they put on hold, seems like a weird fucking move, they aren't making a second labubu or some shit like that

>>102519937
Of course this fucking muppet shows up again. Vshojo being awful does not absolve him in any way.

>>102520007
slop merch do make that much

>>102519947
Misfire?

>>102520007
It's about 10 months worth. It's reasonable.

150-250K for Kson if we are being very conservative.

>>102519996
exactly, when I saw his name on the screenshot I was like "bitch look who is talking over here"

>>102519937
He hasn't been relevant in years

Hotaru managed to get a free chibi model before they ran out of money. Unfortunately I guess Nagi's 3D chibi model is never happening now.

>>102520066
Yes she did

>>102520060
Melody's old tech guy, he tried to fuck her over, she won. He's still mad.
That's the short version.

>>102519937

>>102520060
he made melody's original model and helped setup her 3D tracking, ended up being a manipulative asshole that wanted a cut from her forever even after they stopped working together

so between mouse and kson we're looking at what? a million dollars?

>>102520065
20k/month on barely 4view ccv
Is this believable

>>102519493
2024: Blackscreen stream with V-tuber voices
2025: 2 Blackscreen stream with actual v-tubers on it

Upgrades people, upgrades!

If Vshojo ran out of money and has been stealing money from the talent to keep going then they are absolutely fucked. Legally, morally, metaphorically, literally, just fucked. I don't understand how they thought Ninja looting Ironmouse's charity money would pan out for them but the company is fucking over. You can't recover from this.

>>102520067
Kson just reiterated that ALL VShojo talents own their IP, and reminder that even Nazuna still has her model

>planning to leave at the end of the month
>discord call with JP CEO moved it up to today
You can't make this shit up.

HOLY SHIT GEEGA LEAVING FIRST FUCKING TRIGGERED EVERYTHING. MY GENERAL.

>>102520163
I'm willing to bet Mouse alone is at least 1mil

>>102519848
Just pop an aneyrusm and go suck pet schizo's shrimp dick in the afterlife, nobody will miss you.

>>102520112
we all thought all 4 of the chibi models were made but no, they were so broke that they only got 1 made

>>102520163
If Mouse says a "significant amount" it's probably around a million just for her alone.

>>102520175
I dunno, that thing about NOVA being different since they're a group and they're not profitable yet makes me think otherwise

With all this shit, I wouldn't even be against Nova getting completely poached by another org.

>>102520060
long story, but basically he helped create mel's first model and then dmca'd her cause he wanted to get paid. also made yfu's so that's why she gets called "mel's bastard sister"

>>102520186

Just saying, they haven't updated the talent page.

>>102520163
add other talent to the list
mousey and kson are just the tip of the iceberg

>>102520163
No thats just the idf money, we dont know what vshojo owes Mouse.

>>102520174
We already came to that conclusion when Mouse video came out and it's for the better.
If Vshojo can't be a boon for the talents it doesn't deserve to exist.

NOVA would not even be a thing if not for EN building the vshojo brand. They built the house so NOVA could get a room in it.

>>102520237
Just delete the damn website

>>102520212
they are probably tied by contract to JP branch. Hesti did slip that their contract are not really same as everyone else

>>102520192
Probably more. She was likely smart with her expenses and savings so she could tough this out for a while

>>102520186
We were wrong about Geegs, she saw Henya joined us in 2023 and decided to join to save all of us and her oshi

>>102520237
which staff member is going to do that? kek

>>102520237
Because they'll be taking it down soon.

>>102520174
And they shouldn't recover from this. I say good riddance if what we've been told is true.

I just hope the girls will be fine. I'm not worried about the EN talent and Kson and Henya, they're all huge. The NOVA girls though, I feel for them.

>>102520237
They have their hands full with figuring out how to fight Mouse in court.

>>102520141
>>102520158
>>102520221
So in this case, he's referring to himself as the tree and the vshojo fuckup as the apple? That's some strange level of egotrip lmao

>>102520237
What do you want? For them to remove everyone except Mel?

i just want to see the girls slap their asses on stream, laugh at them and drop $5, why is it so complicated nowadays.

>>102520252
Kson said she's owed a "Ferrari worth of money" which is like $250k - $500k.
Mouse said that she's owed (not including the charity money) a significant amount.
So it's most likely well over a million for both of them that VShojo hasn't paid.

>>102520277
whoever will do it for free

>>102520166
CCV monkeys...

>>102520237
>>102520277
web intern is like fuck that shit i havent been paid either

This all explains why Mouse went from a new model every couple months to nothing this year. Literally had her money stolen by the company

>>102519880
>playing the part of the clueless retard when he was a co-founder
yeah sure, I am supposed to believe that he didn't know that shit was about to explode

>>102520358
Ima be real with you. I don't think Kson knows how much a Ferrari cost. I just assumed it's 100k.

>>102520258
and proceded to wreck the home soon after

I am anon from independent

>>102520322
either that or he feels that melody is still embezzling "his" funds to this day lmao

Kson is buying her slave back from vshojo

>Kson poaching her old manager back
kek

>>102520174
As someone who watched VShojo from day one, this is the end.

What is below the coal age? New Delhi public shitting street age? Because we're right there.

what are the chances that tariffs are the reason gunrun pulled the rug?

Kson will buy her mane chan back. Talk about buying people

>>102520322
no, i think he's implying mel stole money from him as the idea of vshojo was created by her and gunrun. It's a pot calling the ketle black thing

>>102520358
Respectfully, how is Kson earning that much? She's on the lower end of ccv.

>>102520379
ask sharty to hack their shit, they will gladly do it

I don't really pray, but I pray that the Nova girls can continue on as indies or something.

It really just shows how number moneksy who worship CCV don't have a clue as to what matters.
all these mid 4views don't even get a paycheck

>>102520174
don't post this corpo shill chuba here I don't trust her

>>102520452
venta black

>ive been lied to so much
yeah, tanigo...

We are at 340k btw

Nazzy tweet

>>102520455
tariff of 50% of $0 they pay

>>102520342
Well, everyone who has made an official exit.

Lol

>>102520253
Considering that Kson hasn't been paid since September and Nova debuted in November, what does that do as far as "boon for the talents goes?"
Anyone that can fire up a neuron is smart enough to see that Nova was created using those missing payment funds.

I just joined Kson's stream, she announced that she's officially gone from VShitshow?

wait, how much EN management stole from Henya then?

>>102520467
You know exactly how.

If Vshojo came out later today and said it was a misunderstanding and their accounting guy is retarded and paid everyone what their owed including the charity then apologized profusely for mishandling it, could they recover at this point?

>>102520237
too busy filing bankrupcy

>>102520455
the rug was pulled shortly after biden withdrew from the campaign, well before the election, and certainly before trump took office and decided to start a trade war with earth.

Reminder that everything was OKAY until SEPTEMBER 2024.
They must have spent so much money before on something.

>>102520467
Merch is about the kind of audience you build, and she's very good at that side of things. Sponsor money is all that cares about ccv or social media numbers.

>>102520525
Did she kill another cat?

>>102520561
Yes, she has officially exited Vshojo as of 30 minutes ago.

>>102520561
You should announce your suicide in front of your parents

>>102520567
yes

>Even Nazuna removed "Ex-Vshojo" from her twitter
lmao

>>102520572
no

>>102520572
nyo

So no one is getting those Henya JP visas after all. That merch hasn't shipped yet.

Ksheena, you know what to do, start the JP org and poach the Novas. You can even groom them all for your pleasure if you wish, literally no drawbacks.

>>102520452
"6 feet under" age. the org is as good as dead.

>>102520572
Fuck no, because their cashcow isn't coming back.

>>102520572
No because fans will assume they’re doing damage control. They’ll trust the girls more at their word, even if they’re lying.

>>102520572
Naked dogeza from Gunrun could go a long way to move public sentiment.

>>102520415
Yeah I assumed 60k

>>102520572
Not a chance. They've been missing payment for Kson since SEPTEMBER. Who fucking knows if that's the oldest non-payment right there?

>>102520572
nope

>>102520567
We all assumed it was Mamaenya. Oh no...

>>102520572
>being retarded for 9months

>>102520561
Not just Kson, anon. The whole org is basically gone.

>>102520567
>it might be 7 digits unironically

>>102520467
She has multiple accounts and vtubing and streaming is not the only thing she does anon

>>102520572
they cant leech from mouse anymore its never been more ksover

Gunrun should sell his soul and pay the talents.

>>102520572

>>102520572
>we accidentally didn't pay anyone for a year and stole 500k worth of donations. by accident.
yeah i think that would go over well

>>102520567
100 Bitcoins dayo

I expected Anycolor to fall first out of the corpos, but VShitshow wasn't a surprise.

>>102520572
Nope. The entire community has already dropped them.
It's similar to the Sinder situation in terms of absolute destruction when it comes to their image.
VShojo turned black company in a few hours and that will never go away.

Did Vshojo have any part in Kson's yakuza stuff? Because I imagine there was quite a bit of money there.

>>102520572
Vshojo was dead with no coming back the moment Mouse dropped her video.

>>102520572
Nah. Pretty sure Ironmouse is done with them even if they do make everything right. The trust is broken.

Should've stuck to backpacks

>>102520452
Right now we're in the apocalypse age. When everyone goes their own ways as indies it will be the post apocalypse age.

>>102520612
Strange, isn't it? I hope this gets answered in a satisfactory way and isn't left as a mystery that will annoy me when I remember it three years from now.

>>102520773
The Yakuza stuff was before she stopped getting paid

>>102520572
>Oh yeah, we had the money everyone was asking for the whole time
>Our accountant just forgot to carry the one
>Yeah, I know we ignored it for months, but it's cool now, right?

>>102520467
She poured A LOT of money into crypto, especially Bitcoin.

Hello. Today, I would one again like to remind everyone in this thread that haruka should stream.

>>102520773
Loutlot already said sponsors are tied to the talents for JP side at least.

>>102520768
11 minutes and 9 seconds, to be precise

Michi stream is 1am my time and I have work tomorrow fkn end me

>>102520773
Vshojo is Merch/sponsor things they bring in and maybe con appearances.

>>102520572
The JP branch CEO was literally ghosted by the top guy. It's over, he most likely ran to some place he can't get extradited from.

shat is the url for the relevant 5chan board again. I want to figure out what htey're saying

Why did they think they could get away with this? They thought mouse would forget about the 500,000 eventually?

>>102520567
100 bitcoins.

>Nazuna hated people raiding her without her permission
This fucking menhera

>>102520467
You're asking how the top earner in hololive is making a lot of money?

If vshojo set up a livestream where gunrun seppukus himself would you forgive them?

>>102520881
I don't know why but this is kinda hot

>>102520881
>people
henya

>>102520525
"When I debuted with VShojo, I had a huge number of overseas viewers. 50,000 people came to my Twitch debut stream, but then my audience was raided over to other VShojo talents, and I recall a time I had to ask them to please stop doing that without my permission. Beyond that, I spent a year telling them I wanted them to bring in more Japanese members. Nazuna, who can't speak English, has been doing this all alone on Twitch."

"I endured it for a year, but I realized it was impossible, so I graduated. Immediately after, I was told, 'We want you to remove the "Graduated from VShojo" part from your profile,' which made me feel incredibly sad and lonely. It hurt me to think, '...is this what they say to you after working together for so long?' In any case, I hope everyone finds happiness."

"Since my viewers, who were originally mostly from overseas, were raided to other people, they naturally flowed more and more to the other EN girls instead of to me, Nazuna, who can't speak English. It was a sad feeling . There were times I became paranoid, wondering if the whole point was just to get my overseas viewers. I want to believe that wasn't the case."

>>102520669
>6
>under age
where???

>>102519288
I assume Nova's IPs are owned by Vshojo and he doesn't know if they'll be able to get them "back"

its so strange to think that "I hope you will become a part of VShojo" turned into a literal curse by the snap of mousey's finger, figuratively speaking

I awake. Any new info? Does Mel still have the tag? DROP THE TEA

>>102520784
Mouse is done with them. She might be way too fucking forgiving most of the time but even she has limits and taking charity money is definitely beyond them. It's even worse because she legitimately saw Gun as almost like a father figure. As Monke said she barely trusted people as it was this has shattered that.

>>102520572
>accounting guy forgot to add 1 in the front
Would be funny

>>102520881
I'll raid her without permission.

>>102520626
Find a rope gunrun

>>102520862
Chances are Mouse wasn't going to notice it at all if it weren't for the fact that they also stole charity funds since that shit is super dear to her.

>>102520949
rip pia

>>102520923
kek classic nazzy

>>102520862
When people are desperate to salvage something, they often don't think rationally, and maybe they assumed Mouse, Kson, and others affected would let it slide until they could manage to find a way to pay them back.

>>102520166
It's not streaming revenue, but merch revenue, and kson has loyal fans.

>>102520857
https://egg.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/sugiuraayano/1752976105

we can only hope Kson looks out for the NOVA girls...

>>102521001
yeah, poor Pia and other 2 girls

>>102520936
I really hope the NOVAs own their IPs. I want to see Peke and Nagi again.

gunrun might unironically get yakuza'd

>>102520923
Why is she like this? Completely fair to be pissed about being the only JP though.

>>102520923
That's fucking retarded kek

>>102520112
Bro hopes are that all JPs will make it out right now and you're talking about chibis

>>102520936
Hestia owns her model
Hotaru probably can easily "buy-out" her model
im worried about Peke and Nagi

>>102520567
luckily Henya dodged a bullet by getting sick and not investing in too much merch.

>>102520845
just quit your job, if the girls can do it so can you

Them guilting Mouse to stay or do what they want make me more angry than the money.

You know the Katawa Vshojo meme is starting to feel more planned and manipulative now...

>>102521034
>I really hope the NOVAs own their IPs.
kson said so ,didn't she?

>>102520904
Yes, I've often seen her with just 600-700 viewers only streaming on Twitch. The past is the past.

>>102520936
They own their IPs. >>102519387 pretty much nailed the head on why the JP CEO didn't bring them up.

>>102520923
Making it all about herself lol.
Bitch, I stopped watching you because you can't keep a consistent streaming schedule, you barely streamed and when you did it was at random times.

Nazuna also removed the Vshojo suffix from her name

https://x.com/AmemiyaNazuna/status/1947649016042250514

>>102521064
Yeah Nagi could be poor

>>102521056
she's not the brightest bulb

>>102520923
the biggest problem was that jp viewers don't exist on twitch, I wish she tried collabing with other JP indies though, seemed like she was just waiting for them to hire friends for her

>>102520979
mouse wouldn't have noticed if it wasn't for her trying to get control back of her finances

>no one is getting paid if there's no money

>>102520923
She probably saw henya as a double threat that could steal both her EN and JP viewers.

>>102520881
she even hated people jumping on vs when she was streaming kek

>>102521071
kek

>how much money is a ferrarri worth anyway
>starts at 270k
>dear god

Brothers, Zen or somebody will obviously buy out the NOVA models if it does come to that.

>Vshojo was an elaborate plan to steal millions of dollars by Gun
Kind of respect it tbqh

>kson: the girls are willing to continue

>>102520923
kek clueless and jealous as always
she got dropped by holos unicorns and anyone else stopped watching because she spammed fucking apex

so is this why so there were so many non-streamers in vshojo?

>>102521063
They own their IPs. Only tourists think otherwise.

>>102521064
Mouse can easily buy out their models. But will she

WONT SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE NOVA

>>102521195
Is she talking about the NOVAs?
I sure hope they'll continue.

>>102521213
I think Froot and Haruka were unrelated judging from how they reacted to this. Hime is just Hime.

>>102520923
she just bandwagoning now kek

>>102521186
Everyone should fine him and get him beaten

>>102521052
Apparently he’s AWOL?
Better run faggot; your ass is grass.

>>102521264
Mouse has had enough pressure to support everyone fuck off its not on her.

NOVA are the make a wish kids lmao

>>102521183
Zen didn't even call them once or invited for a collab.

>>102521293
"my girls" aka vshojo jp

ok but streamers will still buy his backpacks right?

>>102520923
Nazuna, you had a chance to show you are not a jealous, egotistical person, but you somehow managed to stay true to youself

>>102521291
Poor Nova man. They are so cute save them please

I just really fucking hope Mouse doesn't start hyper fixating on her current circle of friends because of this and we lose any chance for collabs with the other ex members. I don't want to lose Mouse Henya gremlin collabs.

>>102520923
Remember the time she said Henya was ghosting her when she tried contacting her on her main Henya wouldn't know instead of her VShojo alt that was in the same company as Henya?

Come home, Kson.

>>102521095
Kson says a lot of things she. I'd rather have it confirmed from the members themselves. I don't know if Kson has actually seen the contract.

>>102520950
you just missed the stream where kson shook down the CEO of the JP branch for an hour

Gunrun just put the fries in the bag bro

>>102520923
People are dismissing this, but it's very valid.

>>102521366
I just really fucking hope Mouse doesn't start hyper fixating on collabs

>>102521366
No one with collab with anyone again
> The dark age

>>102521366
can you really blame her for having trust issues at this point?
and the leeches are going to be swarming now even harder

>Kson wants to bring her manager with her
Good on her though I do wonder if their handlers/managers were paid by talents or by the company, because Kson's gonna get a wakeup call on how quick what she earns gets gobbled up once she has to pay for people under her on a regular basis.

>>102521382
It’s looking more like don’t drop the soap

Did Gun also head the backpack business? Or was that someone else?

https://x.com/MowtenDoo/status/1837047224934744186

>>102520950
Bro. BRO. You missed so much. I am not joking.

>>102520923
>They were stealing my husbands

>>102521366
I think Mouse will still collab with Michi and Henya. Mouse even reached out to Numi because she knew she was friends with Michi.

>>102521342
That would include Henya and the Novas then, good. I'd be happy if ex-vshojoJP stays together as something like a group or just a circle of friends.

>>102521438
I'd be under her for free.

>>102521366
I want to believe that mouse trusts Henya enough to not shut her out. Henya said she talked to mouse about her family passing, that's a lot of trust for someone like Henya to open up to

>>102521458
Gun is the backpack man. It was his first company.

>>102521408
>they wouldn't bring in more Japanese members!
>*ignored Henya*

>>102521408
Streaming is scary and precarious because things can go well or fall apart in an instant in ways you can't control or predict. It would make almost anyone a little crazy to place their whole livelihood and future into something so unpredictable. And of course, people that become streamers tend to be a little off kilter from the start. The specific things she's worried apart aren't always real, but the sentiment should be understandable for anyone with any empathy.

>>102521490
What about her little bro?

>>102521438
An indie having a manager is not an unusual thing, plus it's the same manager from before she even joined Vshojo (they joined together).
I just want to know if Henya is gonna be in on the deal too.

>>102521438
She already did pay for her as an Indie

>>102521438
they can team up with Henya and novas to split cost and call kshojo

>>102521408
Only the no JP for a year thing is valid, the rest is her schizo ass treating raids as an evil plot to steal her viewers.

>>102520923
>他にも日本勢を入れて欲しいと伝えて1年、英語が話せないなずなはTwitchで孤独にやって来ました
Why didn't Nazuna collab with Henya, a Japanese who grew up in Japan and is fluent in Japanese?

>>102521438
Mamane worked for her before Vshojo

>>102521535
And his last.

>>102521536
Henya is pretty much an EN member

>>102521618
Filthy hapa genes.

>>102521596

>>102521618
We simply don't know

>>102521097
There was literally an interview with her in a JP magazine where she revealed she was making roughly 10 million yen a month.

>>102521596
She's so fucking weird.

>>102521366
>I don't want to lose
Imagine being this narcissist after all the shite that mouse went through

>>102521662
scroll up faggot

>>102521617
Are you denying that raids can have that effect?

>>102521662

Remember when Gun took Nyan to karaoke

>>102521596
>raiding without permission
Stupid bitch.

>>102521618
Nazuna hates hafu's.

>>102521596
The raiding thing sounds like a her problem

Asmongold has been suspiciously quiet about all this.

>>102521596
Just turn raids off 4head

>>102521721
panini was there too

>>102521375
Henya doesn't know who the fucking Mikecat is dayo

>>102521687
People can be sad about things and also not want things they like to go away

>>102521673
How? I don't see oilers and I don't see a lot of views unless it's fleshtubing streams

>>102521753
Too busy hiding Gunrun's money.

It's still fucking wild to me things went from being fine to vshojo being fucking dead in like 2 months

>>102521336
Retard, she's been talking with Hestia about setting up a group collab

>>102521720
I hate when someone talks in third person like this

>>102521366
She was already doing that, sponsor slop, and simulator slop that because of this shit, it has been going for a while now. Things should get better, but it will take more time. How long? Who knows, less time if Vshojo dissolves as a legal entity as soon as possible.

>>102521596
Wait, is nazuna the reason mouse doesn't raid anymore? kek

>>102521807
lack of transparency. and this everyone is guilty of it including the talents.

>>102521807
All it takes is one Mouse.

Fuuuck
Any good news to cleanse the palate?
Anything

>>102521807
This was less than a week ago: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/rs-gaming/vtuber-agencies-virtual-idols-global-streaming-superstars-1235387390/
What a shitty timing...

>>102521831
No, Mouse's raid story was from before she joined.

Gentlemen. I love Ironmouse.

>>102521883
New Geega model soon

>>102521753
He’s busy getting sloppy toppy from silver

Why did they all remain silent for so long if shit was so bad? I genuinely don't understand why they have so much credence to the management. I get not coming out publicly but why not check legal avenues or something anything?

>>102520923
>my audience was raided over to other VShojo talents, and I recall a time I had to ask them to please stop doing that

Am I retarded or that's not how twitch raids work?

>>102521721
>Gunrun used the Vshojo credit card to pay for everything, including the champagne and caviar Nyan requested.

>>102521923
bazed

>>102521947
they were owed a lot of money

I'm glad Mouse was the one to take it down.
Because you know if it was other people that talked first people would put all their hate on Mouse like they did any time something happened ion vshojo.

>>102521807
It was always bound for failure if they were always in the red since the start

>>102521883
Silver is happy and doing great

>>102521949
they raided her to give her a chance at growing
she was upset by that

>>102521831
Nah i think some other smal indie got mad that raiders would leave.
Lol bitch do your damn elevator pitch and be entertaining ffs, instead of blaming Mouse for doing a nice thing.

>>102521807
Michis tarot warned them

>>102521894
no mouse doesn't raid people because a 2 view lost its shit in a bad way when mouse raided them
Also there is a silver thing but i'm not 100% sure on this one
so she just started raiding people who are close to her

>>102521949
I assume the automatic translation got it backwards, which is not uncommon.

>>102521945
From who?

>>102521787
I just think the repeated policing of who Mouse should and shouldn't spend time with has always been retarded.

>>102521807
>in like 2 months
It's been more than 2 months. Multiple contractors have griped about being stiffed for months before getting paid. Kson said she hasn't been getting her cut of merch profits since Septermber.
Everyone just kept quiet about the elephant in the room until Matara took matters into her own hands by doing her merch with Bricky.
Can't get stiffed on merch profits if you're 1/2 of the people that set up your merch store.

>>102521978
The reason no one spoke up earlier is management implying doing so would hurt Mouse more than anyone else. They used everyone's desire to protect her to manipulate them.

is kuro too indebted to gunrun to quit? with his whole tax situation

>>102521883
uh.. nimi is married

>>102521883
Nimi is going to be married woman soon!

>>102521947
all the signs and comments imply the company was perfectly fine until late 2024

welp after that kson stream I'm more scared for them
SOMEONE SAVE THE NOVAS

>>102521947
idk, fear they'd never see that money if they spoke out i guess

>>102522066
he is gonna have to quit because the vshojo brand name is so toxic. people will anti him forever and ruin him if he doesnt

>>102521947
Both your questions have been answered. They did get legal advice maybe not Kson and were guilt tripped to not be the cause of hurting other members or causing staff that they like to lose their jobs.

>>102521883
vei, silver, mata, geega, nazuna and nyan are all back on topic here now

>>102522066
No, he's standing with Mouse and will be gone

>>102521964
and then when they got out gunrun bought nyan a lamborghini gallardo with the company's credit card, guess what happened to it? yeah aethel sold it and bought a medievel suit of armor

>>102522085
>>102522087
...actually? I have the catalog filtered except this thread so I have no idea about what happens

>>102522102
Kson will save them, she is the protagonist.

>>102522066
Kuro is too retarded to survive without having a tardwrangler make sure he doesn't get evicted or rope himself, so yes.

>>102522046
got a feeling maybe they where saying stuff about mouse to zen and that is why she unfollowed her

>>102522162
>the who age
kek

>>102522144
yeah, she just announced it recently
catalog is whining like a bunch of bitches, the rest of the internet is happy for her

she just came back to grift

i hope melody is okay

>>102522066
You're forgetting that Mouse is the one who lent a hand to Kuro when he was cornered and in desperate need for help

>>102522144
Yeah she announced it just after Mouse dropped the bombshell. Kinda smart honestly since dramafags are too busy to make a shit show of her situation at the moment.

>>102522102
Kson actually running a Yakuza gang now
Henya and the Nova as underlings

>>102522102
The jp ceo says that they still have money left for them so maybe they get paid and be indie

>>102522046
... I wonder if that played a part in Zen blocking her on Twitter? Ignored for collabs for awhile, and then Mouse and Vshojo as a whole possibly being weaponized against her to dissuade her from leaving, because she absolutely was the next biggest talent. But Mouse was a captive just as much as everyone else was.

>>102522217
I don't because I hate (((the tribe))).

>>102522205
boohoo nigga, stop having her live rent free in your head

EN will be fine, I just hope the JP branch will be okay

>>102522205
what is she even talking about

anyone notice michi's title? "i have something to say." are we about to see literally everyone leave all at once?

Mouse can we have the NSFW dakis back now?

>>102522162
When’s the rebirth

>>102522160
You're the retard. He took VShojo out of his name and stated that he's standing with Mouse but can't say anything now due to legal matters.

>>102522277
yes

>>102522271
are you living under a rock?

>>102522023
keep crying, schizo, it makes me hard

>>102522277
>are we about to see literally everyone leave all at once?
That essentially already happened though?

>>102522277
It would be more surprising if anyone stayed.

>>102522277
she's going live in an hour

>>102522205
she didn't even start streaming yet. she tweeted more in one day than a whole year

>>102522046
Who said that?

>>102521945
But Im getting bj from Silver
Dani is the one sucking Assman

>>102522248
Aint no way my fucking mgs shitpost from a few weeks was true

>>102521947
>Why did they all remain silent for so long if shit was so bad?
As kson said earlier "If I speak up and quit, they might not pay me anymore". She was basically holding on that small hope that they would still pay her.

>>102522277
They pretty much left when they removed Vshojo from their Twitter handles.

>>102522196
there was no sinder age, retard chama

>>102522038
You know, now this actually makes sense and jives with Matara constantly saying how she believed she didn't do anything wrong.
>Vshojo's profit model is ass and unsustainable
>start using merch revenue that should go to talent to patch the holes on their sinking ship
>Matara comes along with the bright idea to run her store with Bricky
>Vshojo gets mad because that could have been money they steal to keep patching the holes in their ship even though it's a futile endeavor
>ends up firing her

No one let this fucker cook again

>>102522308
It's very unclear what she's referencing in that tweet

>>102522277
Everyone already has at this point. They are probably held on to a contract but everybody who isn't a head of the company seems to have been let go.

>>102522282
She's too big to do lewd content now.

>>102522217
I'm confident she'll manage overall, but having this come up right after her dream moving to Japan and is very likely to fuck up her work Visa situation is tragic.

>>102522412
the whole situation right now, dumbass
she was in Kson's youtube chat

>>102522201
>the rest of the internet
You mean her hug bubble on X that doesn't buy her merch or watch her streams? Should be fine then.

>>102522403
She even gave them some of the money she earned from bricky

>>102522351
I don't think Silver said anything on the matter.

>>102522160
You do realize they can still have a manager as an indie instead of staying on a sinking ship, right?

>>102522405
bro didn't just burnt the dish, he burnt the whole damn house

>>102522470
kek I was gonna post that exact comment.

I'm starting to question all the things that made me think Mouse was becoming more of a sellout and I now think it could have been pressure from vshojo.
So I'm sorry I thought you we becoming a sellout

>>102522277
>are we about to see literally everyone leave all at once?
The org is done after what Gunrun has done. It'd be a surprise if any of the talent stays.

>>102522470
>>102522494
holy rent free silverschizos lmao
yall pathetic as fuck

I'm most afraid for Mel
She just moved to JP with vshojo as her visa sponsor
and all of this happened

>>102522429
>lewd content
nsfw dakis are not the same as lewd content.
Don't spout that bullshit.

You think Gun ran with the money or did he succumb to investor pressure?

>>102522470
lmao

https://x.com/K9_KURO/status/1947656711524798886
Kuro officially left

>>102522559
Is it confirmed that Vshojo sponsored her Visa?

>>102522455
>some
They clearly wanted all the money though, since we just saw that Kson hasn't seen a dime from her merch for almost a year.

>>102522470
Just take an L and go back to catalog already, fucking bum.

>>102522559
i mean , i hate to say this, but geex+ could scoop her up

>>102522528
I doubt you will internalize this, but I made the comment because you are here. I have no ill will for Silver.

>>102522585
>same with everyone other member
EVERYONE IS /OUT/

>>102522585
Gunrun getting busy

>>102522585
Yep that means everyone is.

i have no idea why gunrun would ruin his reputation like that

>>102522600
who else could sponsor her visa?

>>102522612
can Geex+ hire someone like her?

>>102522573
Sorry I'll reword. Mouse is too big and brand safe now to be associated with nsfw content directly.

>>102522600
I'm stupid about visas. Who else could it be? Twitch? Chaturbate?

>>102522578
keep samefagging KEK

>>102522585
This is the dropping like flies stage.
Who will be left

>>102522160
BTFO

>>102522559
Me too
She's gone radio silent after "finding out"
If she's involved, she will gondown with the ship.
If she's not, she still has to work on avoiding deportation.

>>102522641
I thought it was funny

>>102522709
Hopefully no one, fuck this shit

>>102522681
Dakis are not content and aBullshit

>>102522612
There's very different laws in Japan for lewd content. Unless Mel is willing to put that on hold for now I don't see it happening.

>>102522585
Michi will say pretty much the same thing in a hour.

>>102522677
I still cant fathom its all his doing. I mean, its all on his shoulders, but he cant be THIS retarded. Its all on his shoulders, which means its his head that rolls. Even if they have a valid scapegoat, its his fault for letting things get this bad. There is no good explanation for why a very possible several MILLIONS has disappeared while they were running a sinking ship, but I am so curious to know what the justification is.

Buff live and you know she is going to go scorched earth and spill every bit of drama she has.

>>102522641
you made the comment because you love to get shit on for threadshitting. okay, got it

>>102522722
If you listend to Kson's earlier stream, it sounds like the JP CEO wants to try to keep things spinning for now, even stripped down, for any of the JP talent that want to try. It may end up being only Melody staying as an employee of a company that exists just for her to have a visa, with no branding or anything associated.

>>102522786
legality wise she can't.

holy shit vshojo is unironically dead, everyones leaving

>>102522677
he has his backpack empire to fall back on surely

>>102522786
She loves Mousey and recently became friends with Michi, but she will probably leave anything out that might hurt legal proceedings. She's smart

>>102522679
Geex+ won't hire a porn streamer though

>>102522585
I mean you must be retarded to stay
thats why I worry for mel

>>102522786
She has to be careful if mouse has told her stuff because it can get her in trouble
she can go ham on stuff she has witness tho

>>102522862
I wouldn't buy or rent any backpack now...

>>102522844
doesn't matter, she will

>>102522844
she cant because shes not involved and doesnt know anything but she’ll try to be involved either way

>>102522849
Slowpoke

>>102522862
>backpack
I've read it as blackjack the first time lol

>>102522876
dont worry about mel, she doesn't even think about you

>>102522849
it was dead when mouse dropped that nuke of a video earlier

>>102522849
You are late too late

>>102522786
Pretty much the most she can say if anything is just something about
>Yeah you guys can now kind of guess why Gun wasn't with us on the ship stream.

>>102522931
Sup digi

>>102522841
That sound like another scam If it's only ghost company and mel

I was so happy that the pregnant man emoji was finally gone...

>>102521981
not really, plenty of businesses initially operate at a loss
the problem here is of course they never corrected course and just kept operating at a loss

Even if labor costs in the US are higher than in Japan, the revenue should’ve been way bigger too. Honestly, it feels like someone might’ve been dipping into company funds. And if that’s not the case and the money just vanished, then the management must’ve been completely incompetent.

>>102522785
Some of the staff leaving had to be involved too and are just playing dumb. MTD in particular and his "wtf bro" tweet stink.

>>102522786
she's probably just going to generally shit on vshojo without going into specifics for legal reasons
but also she was part of MSM so she should be familiar with being in a shitty company run by an asshole doing shady shit

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>>102522974
Robcdee did that
He created his own business of himself to keep his visa