Thread 102524181

It's fucking over dude, this shit was a ponzi scheme all along. The talents haven't been paid in a long time for things such as merch and everything they've brought in has been funneled into "operational costs", including donation funds. They are bankrupt morally and financially and hoped nobody would notice.

>>102524181 (OP)
>The talents haven't been paid in a long time
I'm not familiar with vshojo but not all of their talents live in shitholes so how did they manage to survive?

>>102524181 (OP)
You know it's over when the c level executives turn on each other.

>>102524266
Judging by the conversation the funds the talents haven't been paid is mostly associated with things like merch sales. I believe they still got cash from things like subs but it's not exactly clear. Kson acted at times like she hasn't been paid -at all- in a while.

>>102524181 (OP)
Really makes me think if VShojoJP is the reason for a big increase in operational cost

Like didn't they have a fucking concert in the past? How come they can survive that?

>>102524266
their husbands (me) or their parents. plus they probably don't live paycheck to paycheck

>>102524403
Posting the rest of the conversation.

>JP CEO
Is the JP branch basically it's own company?

>>102524523

>>102524540
No, they share a cash pool. They've talked at times apparently of separating them as JP makes money while EN doesn't but currently it's all conjoined.

I believe him

>>102524266
>>102524403
>it's not clear
holy tourist

>>102524403
The only thing vshojo gives her paychecks for is merch. She has not recieved anything from them since september last year.
She directly recieves ad revenue and subs/members from her twitch and youtube and whatever else she has, none of that goes through vshojo.

Cons: N O T H I N G

>>102524793

>>102524762
I'm not a tourist, I just don't watch vshojo at all.
>>102524796
I see, thank you.

>>102524403
She mentioned multiple times that it's merch and sponsorship money, though in some instances she omitted it from the JP or EN part of what she said.

Indeed kson get's her YouTube, Twitch and Fanbox revenue directly from those services. So it's a hit to her, but the damage is somewhat reduced.

>>102524874
why would you answer people's questions about something you don't know anything about

>>102524589
>CEO got his salary HALVED
>Talents not paid AT ALL
Okay yeah it's done. Peopled memed about Niji dying during their controversy but Vshojo is actually going to go under here.

>>102525034
I was speculating, simple as. I didn't know we knew for sure what she was talking about and never pretended to. Nobody else was discussing this conversation here so I posted it.

>>102525054
Yeah it has all the signs of a dying company and now it's more than likely completely dead.

>>102525175
vshojo member's channel revenue goes directly to them. merch and sponsorships go through vshojo who takes a cut. some members (mouse and kson) also gave vshojo money that was intended to be used for specific things like projects, commissions, and mouse's charity.

>>102525054
He's not CEO, he's just a director of JP branch. I'm feeling kind of bad for this guy because from his words it seems like he had little to not control over finances and could do absolutely nothing about it.

This is wild

>>102524403
>I believe they still got cash from things like subs but it's not exactly clear.
The channels belong to them, vshojo has nothing to do with those.

Gunrun's name is literal now. 50 bucks says this guy has now run away to some third world shithole with whatever money he could embezzle into his personal accounts. If he hasn't, he's going to prison.

>>102524403
>don’t pay talents their merch sales
>fire matara because she wanted to start her own merch website
>half the merch team leaves

"combined wallet" is interesting. did vshojo not have a JP corp entity?

>>102525790
Apparently not, this "company" was ran like absolute shit. Pooling money and resources between regions is fucking insane.

>>102525913
exactly. they should have had a jp corp with a jp bank account. they were losing money converting currencies. this isn't how you do business.

>>102525416
If Mouse's accusations are true Vshojo received all of her revenue first and she was paid by them, which is also how the IDF donation came into the picture since that was revenue from Mousey's subathon. If she had gotten the Twitch revenue directly she could have made the IDF donation on her own without Vshojo ever touching the money

>>102524502
based cuck

>>102526520
Mouse's case is unique, retarded threadreader. She willingly let vshojo handle her finances for privacy reasons, she didn't want peoplepaying her to knowher name etc. Nobody else in vshojo did that.

>>102526062
That's basically what he was saying as well. For JP to survive they need to separate their finances so that the bad decisions and the fallout of VShojo US don't destroy them as well.

>>102526520
Mouse let VShojo handle her finances.
Kson already had trust issues due to hololive, so she ran as much herself as was viable.

Who knows how it is for the other talents.

Someone update the boxer cartoon with nijisanji and vshojo

>>102526062
>>102525913
The pooled money account? Gunrun's own account

>>102526865
Honestly it's probably too late. Any attempt to separate now would only fuck them further in court. It'd look like they were trying to hide more of their money to avoid paying it out.

>>102527003
This. The entire ship is going down, it's unironically over. Unless Gunrun can come up with enough money to pay every talent and the charity while still keeping the company afloat ON TOP of doing the greatest PR ever known to man AND convincing every talent to walk back leaving? It's done. And you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out this is such an absurd scenario that calling it a "miracle" would be apt. The only questions now really are:
>Will they make a public statement or die quietly?
>Will Gunrun try to run away to avoid legal repercussions?
>Will Gunrun get prison time for embezzlement/tax fraud/charity fraud/etc?
I'd also ask "is anyone going to get paid?" but at this point I strongly doubt it. They have no real assets to sell to pay anyone. If the company is insolvent and the money is gone, it's gone.

>>102525313
So why charity money missing if that went to Mousey 1st? That was subathons, aka her memebership and her own channel revenue. She could have simply donated that money herself but she didn’t? She instead gave it to vshojo for them to donate it? That’s weird

>>102528200
That anon doesn't know what he's talking about. Mouse is different from the other channels, she had all of her payments go through vshojo to spare herself the burden of figuring out her own finances. This is why they had direct control of the charity money.

>>102524403
>>102524181 (OP)
Why doesn't Ironmouse pay the charity? All I'm getting from this is that she refuses to pay

>>102528399
That's retarded. Charity platforms exist for a reason. This is why you don't handle the donations directly.

>>102528481
See: >>102528399

>>102528518
It is very retarded, yes. But that's the way it is and legally this places the burden in Vshojo. Mouse was absolutely retarded for structuring her finances this way but here we are.

>>102528518
The purpose was to stay anonymous. Still kinda retarted in hindsight.

>>102528399
Ok but why use subathons??? Every single other content creator uses charity linked directly to the charity. When it was going on I said “hey that’s weird, only reason they would do that is to not send all the money”. And I got rediculed and told I was jealous of vshojo and Ironmouse. But guess what? I was right it was to not send the money. Ironmouse is not blameless, she accepted the form of how to do it because it would increase her mindshare. She has done many charities with Connor and it always gets sent to the charity directly

>>102524181 (OP)
based, ameripigs deserved to be exploited for the holy nippon land

Is it me or Vshojo run like a Ponzi scheme?

>>102528627
That doesn't answer my question though

>>102524848
This
>>102525054
>>102525282
>dying company
Doesn't matter.
Here's what's going to happen,VShoujo will declare bankrupcy, all of the assets they stole will never be found because it's in a thousand crypto accounts by now.

The CEO getting his salary halved is still chump changed compared to the half-million he stole, and in a few months another Vtuber agency with another name but ran by the same people will pop up with a new Sad-little-match-girl as its face running another Charity fraud scam.
This is the reality of trusting your money to random people on the internet whose claim to fame is that they "Seem honest enough", just like people trusted their life savings to Enron because they seemed professional too.

>>102528710
Because if she takes it through her channel rather than a charity platform she can break sub records and grow her platform while raising charity money at the same time. She wasn't doing it to steal the money retard.
>>102528865
Yes it does? You're asking her to pay over 500k to charity out of her own pocket after her company embezzled donations she took for that charity. The fuck are you on about?

>>102528829
>run like a Ponzi scheme?
"Run like" assumes that it's similar to. This is an actual Exit Fraud scam, and the best part: because all of it was done through some shady online organization using the "Nicest cinnamon roll ever uwu" as its face, it'll never be found.

It's the same kind of fraud pop-up groups do with major organizations like Doctors without Borders. They pop up, take a ton of donations through a third party, pocket half, give the other half to Charity, disappear, do it again.

>>102529051
Exactly because she agreed to do it that way to prop up her own channel with the whole we broke twitch records. Instead of you know, donating it directly into the charity like everyone else. How does it feel knowing thay record breaking subathon revenue didnt even get donated? Would it have broken records without the “I’m donating half to charity”?

>>102529192
>Exactly because she agreed to do it that way to prop up her own channel with the whole we broke twitch records. Instead of you know, donating it directly into the charity like everyone else.
And had Vshojo actually donated the money instead of committing a fucking CRIME this would have been a non-issue.
>How does it feel knowing thay record breaking subathon revenue didnt even get donated?
What the fuck do you mean "how does it feel"? I'm not Ironmouse retard, I have no idea how it feels. Probably like shit? Are you off your meds or something?
>Would it have broken records without the “I’m donating half to charity”?
Probably not but that's irrelevant to the matter at hand. Was Mouse stupid for arranging the fundraiser this way and trying to get personal growth out of it? Yes. But is she ultimately at fault? No, Vshojo is. They are the ones who broke the law and stole the money, not her. What she did was completely legal, though you could argue it was immoral. What they did however was -criminal-.

>>102529192
A charity is supposed to be a selfless act but in that moment Mousey thought about how it could boost her channel. Yes she has a blame in it because of that. Money wise, if she never saw a single penny from the subathon then she is both retarded for handing it over to Vshojo and not at fault with how it was distributed.
>she should sue them!!
See there is the issue if she didn’t cover her ass they can probably take her down with them. She agreed to everything and got her paycheck then that doesn’t look good for her. That paycheck was higher because she used charity as a means to make it higher

>>102529484
She literally is taking them to court you retarded tourist. Did you even watch her announcement? She IS suing them.

>>102529464
Ironmouse subathon paycheck was higher because she used charity to boost it up. In the governments eyes she won’t be faultless. It’s probably why she taking a long haitus to figure shit out before the government comes to take a look and see she got her share

Kson is an hero.

>>102529051
>She wasn't doing it to steal money for her benefit, she was doing it to break twitch sub records so she gets more money for her benefit

ok cool
Can i tell you about another charity you should donate to?
it's ran by someone with fifteen different immunodeficiency disorders.

Evil fucking company

>>102529594
You're assuming she got paid from that stream, it's entirely possible she hasn't yet. None of the talents have been paid for anything in quite some time as Kson has mentioned. If she has been paid though it's irrelevant in the eyes of the law because SHE was under the impression the money was to be donated. She has no fault in this scenario. Vshojo was to donate the money, not her. That is their arrangement and there is past precedent for this. They were to manage the donated funds and if they didn't donate it properly, that isn't on Mouse.
>>102529758
Meds

>I'll donate half of my sub money to charity!
>Donated 0
Really makes you think

>>102529758
Lmao it’s funny how they don’t see this. Bro she agreed to do it that way to make her get even more subs (increasing her $$$ share) and also increasing her channels mindshare both with the Twitch record breaking and then winning that content creators of the year type of shit. How is she faultless? She literally benefited from it, now she burning the company down to benefit one last time from the fallout.

>>102530004
Sub money doesn't go directly to Ironmouse. All money she receives goes through Vshojo (unlike most other Vshojo talents) because she is allergic to managing her own income for whatever reason.

>>102530073
And what if gunrun refuses to pay and flees the continent. Will Ironmouse pay then?

>>102529972
>>102530054
>S-SHE DIDN'T DO THIS
wow how much did that charity get?
oh right

at least the armor trimming guy can say it went to a cause of some sort. griftmouse can't even say that

>>102529758
>>102530054
Just because she benefited from it doesn't mean she scammed anyone you fucking idiots. Had the money been donated as intended her personal benefit would be a complete non-issue. She didn't steal the money, Vshojo did.

>>102529972
Sure if she didn’t get paid she is faultless but if she did, well then the government or court is gonna calculate how big the charity gimmick buff was and they are gonna ask her to donate the difference. That’s how it works bro, she got paid a larger sum because people got tricked into thinking it was gonna get donated. The government doesn’t fuck around with charity scams

>>102530151
Oh okay so she didn't steal the money, she was just an accessory to someone else that did by being their sad little street urchin.

that's so much better

>>102530054
>She literally benefited from it
She benefited from the charity. She didn't benefit from the money not being donated.
If I pay someone for hosting a charity event, and I then run with the money, they aren't suddenly at fault just because they got payed, and gained some exposure.

>>102530151
But the issue is the money didnt get donated. Again if she didn’t even get paid her share I say she is completely faultless. But if she did oh that paycheck was boosted the fuck up because of the whole scam, the court aint gonna buy shit unless she has a clean as fuck paper trail and not just little yes/no discord messages

>>102524181 (OP)
i'll give him this. Loutlot at least showed his face and talked about things. Meanwhile. Gunrun is just gone

so everybody is jumping ship yeah?

>>102530135
If she does it'd be entirely voluntarily. She is not legally responsible for the donation, Vshojo is. They are the ones who took the donation money and ran with it, not her.
>>102530177
>the government or court is gonna calculate how big the charity gimmick buff was and they are gonna ask her to donate the difference
That is NOT how it works at fucking all. If I raise money through my corporation and my corporation steals that money, I am not now magically on the hook for that money even if I got paid overtime or a bonus to do that event. The money raised went through them and they stole it, legally there would be no fault on me.
>>102530213
You don't know what an accessory to a crime is. To be an accessory she would have had to be privy and willingly contributing to the embezzlement and she wasn't.
>>102530338
I guarantee she has receipts dude. She lawyered up fucking immediately. Plus again there's past precedent for this, her previous fundraiser.

>>102530288
>if I pay someone to host a charity event
That’s not how it happened tho. It’s more like you normally sell cupcakes at a fair for a $1 and sell 200. This year half of it’s for charity so you sell them for $2 and sell 1000. Ok you give the $500 to your friend and he keeps it and then you keep $500 which is more than double what you normally made. How are you faultless when you benefited a shit ton? And I’m being nice with the numbers, her subathons are usually 15-20x the normal monthly subs she usually gets. She making close to1 yrs worth of her income in one month with the gimmick of it going to charity.

>>102530743
>Ok you give the $500 to your friend and he keeps it and then you keep $500
This is where your analogy falls flat. The money doesn't go to Mouse first, it goes to Vshojo first.

TL;DR for any anons just tuning in

>>102531066
Kek

>>102530826
So you give your friend the $1k and he gives you $500 and he keeps the other $500 to “donate”. Again the issue here is she makes over 1yrs worth of total revenue from a subs in one month alone with the whole “donating half”. Except it didnt get donated but you still got your money that was equal to 8 months worth of normal work

>>102531123
>So you give your friend the $1k
No, the people buying gives the 1k to him, and he then gives you 500, and runs of with the rest.
The money never went through you.

>>102524403
>Kson acted at times like she hasn't been paid -at all- in a while.
talent freedom, free of their paychecks lmao

>>102524181 (OP)
A century ago the CEO would have seppuku'd to honor his failures.
What happened to Japanese men?

>>102530440
>so everybody is jumping ship yeah?
everyone removed vshojo from their profiles. they aren't coming back

The dude is already hiding somewhere in Thailand. Good luck finding him.

>>102531123
>So you give your friend the $1k and he gives you $500 and he keeps the other $500 to “donate”.
No, she never "gave" Vshojo anything. All the money went to THEM and then THEY were to pay HER and the CHARITY. Why are you having so much trouble following this?
>Again the issue here is she makes over 1yrs worth of total revenue from a subs in one month alone with the whole “donating half”. Except it didnt get donated but you still got your money that was equal to 8 months worth of normal work
That's irrelevant. She never once said the full lump sum would be going to the charity. She was open and completely transparent about how much was intended to be donated. Is using this charity to boost her own channel like this ethical? No, it isn't. But is she ultimately the one in the wrong here? Is she the one who defrauded the charity? No, that's Vshojo.

>>102531363
nta but She IS Vshojo

>>102531223
And youre happy because you made 2.5x what you normally made even if you used charity to enlarge your check. Yeah cool, not gonna fly in court tho

>>102524181 (OP)
How does a company go bankrupt when every employee is basically a type of freelancer making more than enough money to pay themselves? Do they have 500 managers doing nothing behind the scenes? If people were stealing money they can't you just arrest them?

>>102531461
Ironmouse isn't the CEO of Vshojo dummy. She doesn't own the company and never has. She was a large talent within it but that was the extent of her influence. She didn't manage the company or anyone within it.

>>102524266
Can't speak for other members but Kson was already a millionaire when she was in Hololive, and according to her she made $700K in 2023 (she said she made as much a year in an interview in 2024). Assuming that she wasn't absolutely retarded with money, she probably can live comfortably without getting paid for decades even if she just put all of those in a bank saving account (0 investment required)

>>102531351
its just some faggot jp menager,
Justin Ignacio, the ceo will probably have to announce bankruptcy, still im surprised they folded over so little $, he probably didnt expect ironlung to shit herself and would cover the debt with upcoming revenue
for all we know they might have just overspent of marketing or some event, and with big enough revenue half a mln$ would be made back in a month or two

>>102531363
I never said Vshojo wasnt the main real issue. I’m just saying If she got her fat paycheck then she gonna have a big speed bump in court. The whole “she used it to boost her channel” isn’t really that relevant in court, yeah it was scummy but it’s a business.

>>102531363
Reasonable take, I agree. The fiscal responsibility lies with Vshojo even if it rubs me the wrong way how she was slated to benefit massively herself

>>102531511
>How does a company go bankrupt when every employee is basically a type of freelancer making more than enough money to pay themselves?
Poor money management. We already know EN and JP had a shared "wallet", meaning they were constantly hemorrhaging money on exchange rates. Combine this with other poor business decisions and you have a recipe for bankruptcy. If they were doing illegal embezzlement into personal accounts on top of this is would accelerate the downfall.
>Do they have 500 managers doing nothing behind the scenes?
Likely.
>If people were stealing money they can't you just arrest them?
Ideally yes, at this point that would be the next step. However were I a betting man I'd wager they've fled to other countries to protect themselves at this point if they actually did engage in criminal activity.

they ruined things for the slime girl

fucking gunrun

>>102531584
There is a big chance those $700k was part of a multi year deal she signed with Vshojo. The $11 million had to go somewhere. Also after 2023 she quickly stopped being the spokesperson for Vshojo like her contract had ran out or something

>>102531564
you're a fool if you believe that

>>102531685
Whether she got her paycheck or not doesn't matter. Her portion was never part of the promised donation. Vshojo was to manage that entire donation, legally it falls to them and not her.
>>102531708
Yeah I don't like her personally, not an Ironmouse fan at all. That being said she at the very least didn't steal any money here, just engaged in some practices that leave a bad taste in my mouth. Vshojo though? Actual criminals.

>>102531490
>Yeah cool, not gonna fly in court tho
There's not a single fucking court that would pin the blame on you, unless they could somehow prove that you knew he would run with the money.
If the money never passed through you, there's not a single thing they can pin on you.
Can you claim that he owes you that money? No. But you absolutely can demand that he pay it to the rightful recipient.

>>102531743
>Picked VShojo over either Hololive or Phase
She had it coming for being retarded

>>102531871
You need medication if you're going to actually insist otherwise. There's no secret Vshojo cabal with Ironmouse at it's head. Take off the tinfoil hat dude.

>>102531914
well she has mint's approval so she'll be fine

>>102530177
you are absolutely, unfathomably retarded my guy

>>102531743
who the fuck is this?

>>102531887
>>102531912
Again she better have quality proof because she made 15-20x her normal subs that month because it was for charity. Her paycheck is half of that so that means her own paycheck is getting a fat boost from her claiming it’s for charity. That’s what I’m saying and idk why it’s hard for you to understand how that’s an issue. Sure it’s not her fault the other half didnt got to charity but she nice and comfy with her x8 the normal month paycheck herself. She better have been smart or she quickly becomes part of the problem in the courts eyes

>>102530177
you are absolutely, unfathomably retarded my guy. how do you come up with that twisted retarded logic and still confidently think youre right?

>>102530177
Quite literally not how it works, anywhere. Care to bring up which country's law is like this? Charity scams are dealt with harshly because its universally bad optics to allow them, no matter what your political beliefs are.

>>102532209
>>102532088
Hey I was told I was a retard when I called that shit weird and scummy because they weren’t just donating directly to the charity and joked it was to take a chunk from it. So go ahead, I was right the whole fucking time there too

>>102531871
>Bro trust me, my gut instinct is way more trustworthy than "facts backed up by evidence"

>>102532205
Anon there is NO WORLD HERE where Mouse is legally responsible for that money. I will break this down for you in very simple terms:
>As a talent at the agency, Mouse is effectively legally a Vshojo employee.
>The money never went directly to Mouse, it went to Vshojo.
>Any money paid to Mouse came from Vshojo.
>Vshojo was to then donate the charity portion.
>Mouse was open and honest about how much of it would be going to her and how much would be going to charity.
>There is past precedent for this exact same setup, this wasn't her first fundraiser in this style.
No court in this world or any would hold Mouse responsible for the money owed to the charity given these facts.

>>102532407
NTA but legally you are wrong here. We can argue ethics and morals of Mouse's actions all day but in the court of law she is in the right.

>>102532205
>Again she better have quality proof
Of what? That VSHOJO didn't pay the money they were trusted to handle? Because that's pretty fucking easy to prove.
>Sure it’s not her fault the other half didnt got to charity
Then what the fuck even is your argument?
>She better have been smart or she quickly becomes part of the problem in the courts eyes
No she wont, because there's nothing in this case that implements her in any way.
If you want her implemented, it's YOU who needs some damn good evidence, since she was never involved with the money in the first place.

>>102532310
Using a charities name for personal profit is not legal. Ultimately that’s what Ironmouse did to boost her subathon earnings since the charity never got paid. Sure Vshojo got the money 1st but then half went to vshojo and the other to Ironmouse

>>102532585
>>102532665
Again you’re too blind to see how Mousey did benefit personally from it too. If the proof isn’t solid then she will have a problem

>>102532817
>Using a charities name for personal profit is not legal.
When you obfuscate the profit, yes. That's not what Mouse did. Here's two examples for you:
>I AM SELLING THIS CAR FOR CHARITY!
If I keep 50% of the profit, this would be illegal. This is not what Mouse did.
>I AM SELLING THIS CAR AND 50% WILL GO TO CHARITY!
If I keep 50% in this scenario, it is 100% legal. This is what Mouse did.

>>102532911
Personal benefit from a charity is only illegal when you hide it. See: >>102532985 it does not matter one bit that Ironmouse made money too because she never once hid that she would.

>>102532911
>Again you’re too blind to see how Mousey did benefit personally from it too.
She benefited from the charity, not from the money being stolen.
if someone commits charity fraud, do you think every single person who was payed to make the charity happen gets dragged to court?

If mouse let vshojo manage her income, I’m starting to question how much of Ironmouse’s massive sub fees she actually sees, because in my good conscience I couldn’t possibly accept to be paid first when there’s a 500k donation obligation to fulfill. Is it possible that she’s a victim of embezzlement too but restrained from disclosing it?

>>102531511
It’s probably because Vshojo just wasn’t making any money. As far as people know, the only way the company made any money was through merch and sponsorship cuts, they didn’t make a damn cent off superchats or twitch donations outside their main channel. People say that Gunrun raised 11 million in capital and that it’s really just a hobby for him, but there’s no way that those investors felt the same way at all. They’d want their RoI as soon as possible, and there’s no way they were operating at a profit if they’re also having to pay staff in California and Japan, while also bleeding money on talent projects and new models with nothing coming in.
It was a house of cards that was going to fall apart at one point. I think even the talents occasionally asked themselves on stream how the company made money.

>>102532817
Its not legal if you held a fundraiser and chose not to disclose how much of the proceeds goes to the charity. Being up front about hosting an event where a fixed portion goes to charity is legal, even if I think its morally unacceptable. That's what people were ragging on Ironlung for. But there was nothing illegal about her involvement with the fundraiser.

>>102526676
Why in the flying hell she wanted that... if she wanted to be anonymous there are a lot better situations where you hire someone to manage your funds directly from your own corp. if she wasn't a direct employee she just gave a stranger her money for funsies.

This is why you incorporate in Delaware like a real millionaire.

>>102531914
She probably applied to every corpo but scamshojo was the only one that replied

>>102533199
>Is it possible that she’s a victim of embezzlement too but restrained from disclosing it?
Yes, entirely possible. In her announcement she states she is owed money too. This COULD just be from merch sales like other Vshojo talents, but while she was candid with the charity amount this amount was completely withheld. It's entirely likely that she has no idea how much she's owed because her own payments could have been embezzled for some time. This is something I'm sure her lawyer is 100% aware of and will look into during the discovery phase of legal proceedings. They'll be subpoena'ing all financial recordings related to her I'm sure.

>>102533199
She already said that there's also a substantial amount of money they still owe her, that is unrelated to the charity.
So they not only never donated the charity money, but they also either withheld full payments, or withheld parts of payments.

>>102530177
Here we see an Ironmouse anti locking in on something that might have potentially fucked her over, only to realize that it never could, because she is not liable in this situation.

>>102530177
>That’s how it works bro
It's funny that you're saying this with zero actual knowledge of how the legal system works. Pick up a fucking book you neanderthal.

>>102532205
bro thats absolutely fucking retarded. imagine a world where you were hired to facilitate a charity and did your job very well, but when the money gets stolen by your employer you get sent to prison just because you got some indirect tip from it

>>102532585
Nta, but that's a lot of assumption about how Vshojo actually works, and anon is kind of right that court may look into why exactly she let VShojo deal with charity money, especially that as their employee she was probably aware that monetary VShojo is in deep shitter. Depending on courts interpretation of all of this and what they will find there, she may actually be in problem due to that.

Also, something weird I noticed. If Vshojo was not paying girls at all for months and Mousey was letting them deal with all her Twitch stuff... how she has any money to live? Apparently VShojo was not paying their members and she in contrary to others had no fallback of Twitch/YT revenue because everything was going throught Twitch's money. Either Mousey had special privileges and "do not fuck her in the ass" label in the company (till she did not had and they fucked her for 500k), or someone is not telling the truth here.

It's really hard to pretend that there's something weird going on here. Especially mousey must get special, costly treatment and if VShojo was not paying her, then it would leave her with no money because they were managing literally all of her cash. Explain this.

>>102534532
>Explain this.
Pretty easy. They payed her some of what she was owed, likely just what she would get from her channel, but not anything else.
Likely because if they fully stopped paying her, they shit would have come out way before.

>>102534532
Allowing Vshojo to manage the charity money isn't a crime, especially when they are her fucking employer. What the hell are you even talking about? The fact is Mouse was transparent about every single facet of this fundraiser and then Vshojo ran with the donation money. She isn't liable at all.
>Also, something weird I noticed. If Vshojo was not paying girls at all for months and Mousey was letting them deal with all her Twitch stuff... how she has any money to live? Apparently VShojo was not paying their members and she in contrary to others had no fallback of Twitch/YT revenue because everything was going throught Twitch's money. Either Mousey had special privileges and "do not fuck her in the ass" label in the company (till she did not had and they fucked her for 500k), or someone is not telling the truth here.
Have you stopped to consider that maybe Mouse is incredibly fucking wealthy and doesn't sweat late payments? She's one of the biggest vtubers in the world dude. She's also known to be averse to dealing with finances. If she has millions of dollars in the bank and trusted Vshojo to just keep depositing what she was owed why would she even bother to check? Sure it'd be SMART to check but it'd also be smart to manage your own money or hire someone to do it instead of trusting Vshojo as your employer to do everything with no moderation.

>>102529050
>a new Sad-little-match-girl as its face running another Charity fraud scam.

Anon, i understand that with all the Vtubers now claiming they are all sick to score sympathy you would think they are all lying.
But Ironmouse has been open about being sick from the start when she was still a nobody and making money wasnt even on her radar, just something to pass the time.

It's weird anons being all confused why Mouse had the company deal with finance stuff when she outright said she used them As a barrier for stuff to keep her personal privacy protected. It was one of the reasons she joined in the first place.

>>102534910
My nigga, my friend, my compadre.
She was wealthy because of Twitch payments and that was through hands of VShojo management... that apparently was not paying girls. Again, the only explaination is that she was getting special treatment from VShojo... or she's hiding something.

And if what she did is a crime or not is not really decision of you or me. I'm just stating the facts - her actions lead directly to letting VShojo get all the cash and any self-respecting judges and prosecutors will want to know what was her exact role there and will do in-depth research into it. Your feelings and opinions are irrelevant, legal system is not running on this shit. We talk pure, cold, brutal facts and that cannot be negotiated.

I think the most probable is they all knew to varying extents that money was being used in places that shouldn’t be by people who shouldn’t be touching it, but they just hoped it’d work itself out over time. It won’t hold them liable for anything but I have a hard time believing that everyone was entirely in the dark while being withheld pay for 10 months, and just knew about this today.

>>102535465
>She was wealthy because of Twitch payments and that was through hands of VShojo management... that apparently was not paying girls.
In the past year. They got paid before that dummy. Are you under the impression they were NEVER paid? How new are you to all this?
>I'm just stating the facts - her actions lead directly to letting VShojo get all the cash and any self-respecting judges and prosecutors will want to know what was her exact role there and will do in-depth research into it.
Okay? And? We know her role in that was Vshojo processes all payments made to her account. What fucking more is there for them to know? She didn't do anything illegal here.

Are there any pending merch orders? Could possibly be facing a class action lawsuit on top of everything too

>>102535393
well, that's pointless now. when this goes to court her real identity is going to have to testify.

>>102524181 (OP)
Hololive is still much worse. They wronged the biggest vtuber in the world and didn't even let her keep her IP.

Vshojo was most likely still paying mouse up to a certain point but had already stopped paying the "less popular" talent.

>>102535491
I assume the suits basically just told them that it was being used to fund future projects and that they would be payed in full at a later date.
Basically "It's all right if you don't get your merch profit now, since with what we have in plan, you'll be able to make it back double!!" or some shit liken that.

>>102535727
>Hololive is still much worse.

>>102535618
>What fucking more is there for them to know?
I don't know? Can you truly, for 100%, with no buts and no excuses, say that she's not part of the plan and will not get out of it with thick stack of money herself?

Spoiler: You can't. And as much as it's more probably that she's not a 10000 IQ mastermind behind this entire situation, nobody can really prove it without prosecutors and judges going through it. Again, your feeling are irrelevant and legal system will not give a fuck. And I'm pretty sure that Mousey and everybody in VShojo is aware of it.

>>102535916
>BRO SHE WAS IN ON IT
Okay so you're a schizo, got it.

>>102535730
Nah you cut off the least mentally secure but financially stable talents first. Ironmouse is the perfect target for delays, financially illiterate, mentally depdendent on them, and wealthy enough that she doesn't need the cash, so she can delay dealing with it.
Too bad they fucked with the charity money that she really cares about and didn't notice she wanted to get over her weaknesses.

>>102535966
Again you retard - that's not what I'm saying and it's you who is having a schizo moment.
What I'm saying is that there's possibility that she was on it and it's legal system's job to check it. Obviously she's most probably just another victim, but to the world of formalities motherfucker, have fun in adult world.

>>102536160
Why the fuck does any of that matter if she wasn't in on it you retard? They confirm she isn't guilty, takes 5 minutes, and move on. You're making a pointless fucking argument.

>>102531914
To be honest I don't blame Pia. She got screwed before in a corpo (Kawa). Of course she was going to be highly selective as to where she would go next. Hopefully all the girls get things under control and just debut again as indies.

I didnt realize vshojo paid vtubers, I assumed it would be the other way around and Vshojo in return helps them with legal stuff/gets sponsorships/merchanidise.
I thought most of the vtuber money would be made from donations/subscriptions/ad revenue.

>>102536160
She could theoretically also be a mass murderer. What's your point?

>>102536443
It is, from what I could tell Vshojo payed them for like, merch stuff while donations went right to their pocket. So it's like like they were running on zero cash for months while Vshojo dithered on payments. Probebly why it went on so long

>>102536443
Only Ironmouse. The rest of them only get paid by Vshojo when it comes to merch sales which is how it works with every corp at bare minimum. Merch sales by way of logistics can never go directly to the talents. Mouse however hates dealing with money, so she allows Vshojo to do it all for her.
>I thought most of the vtuber money would be made from donations/subscriptions/ad revenue.
It is, which is why none of the talents are homeless. They are still owed money though.

>>102536248
>takes 5 minutes.

You need to be 18 to use 4chan. This is not explaining school drama to principal in your middle school. It's also worth noting that nobody will give a damn if she will say that she knew nothing. If prosecutor will find enough proofs that she knew about it and judge will believe in it, she's cooked.
This kind of make me think that VShojo girls may just avoid trying to drag it to the court. They will also be putting a lot on themselves and one wrong move may end with shit collapsing on them.

>>102536617
>enough proofs
ESL detected

Ironmouse remains silent in the meantime
It says a lot

>>102536466
Yes but there's no mass muder with possibility of her being involved as far as we know. What's your point?

>>102536617
>They will also be putting a lot on themselves and one wrong move may end with shit collapsing on them.
You are actually retarded if you think this situation could ever fall back on any of the talents, including Ironmouse.

>>102536674
>E-E-ESL!

I'll take it as you giving up and finally agreeing with me. Good.

>>102536738
She's already said all she can retard. Her attorney advised her to say only what was in her video and nothing more. What the fuck do you want here?

>>102536443
They get paid a cut of merch sales and other stuff like that.
Money made through their channels normally goes directly to the talents, but Ironmouse has a special setup where all the money goes to Vshojo, and then they send her the money, due to privacy reasons.
This way any sort of payment information that would normally need her information is instead dealt with through Vshojo.
Not sure how she'll handle that going forward.

>>102536840
That wasn't me, this is: >>102536773
Nice try though champ.

>>102536773
Why not?
Seemingly everyone knew what was going on and nobody was doing anything. You may say that it's because they were naive and wanted to keep their jobs but again - that's something that court will be trying to figure out.

>the company spent all money to milk one whore
the backfire is only starting

>>102524181 (OP)
What surprises me the most is that Kson just realizing something is wrong when she hasn't been paid in a year. How stupid do you need to be to accept such a thing for so long?
>>102529192
Purity tests on altruism are retarded, on paper was a win/win where both ironmouse and the charity benefited.The only problem was vshojo fucking them over by not sending the money.

>>102536842
He is probably underage and retarded.

>>102536873
>Not sure how she'll handle that going forward.
She should just set up her vtubing business as an LLC. Then everything would go through that and she could keep her privacy even when she gets fake copywrite claims. Feel like most big vtubers should do this.

>>102536998
>Seemingly everyone knew what was going on and nobody was doing anything.
No, they didn't. Again how new are you to this situation? Up until the floodgates burst open yesterday they were only aware that their merch payments were often very very late. That was the entire extent of their knowledge.

>>102537034
Vtubers are usually fem neets with no backbone.
Also Japanese trait of being non confrontational adding extra cuck points.

>>102537153
>Nobody knew that they were not getting paid by VShojo.

?????????????????????????????????????????

>>102537169
>Vtubers are usually fem neets with no backbone.
Maybe at the start, but these days most Vtubers are female normies looking for an easy way to make money.

>>102537206
They knew the payments were late and kept getting later. How are you struggling so hard to follow this? They were paid in the past, it was just always late. Them not being paid at all is a recent development but the company just told them it was delayed as usual so they shrugged their shoulders.

>>102537034
Japanese attitude of listening to your boss, havinig been paid before so having confidence that she'd get paid again, no knowledge that ohers weren't getting paid either so she assumes it's a problem with her specific not the company being bankrupt, and enough money that she doens't actually need the extra cash so she can mentally push the issue away and deal with it "later".

>>102537153
Just look at how many staff/talents have jumped ship prior to today. Mostlikely they knew some semblance of what was going on. They just chose to keep wuiet.

>>102536760
And there's no charity fraud she could be involved with either, since there's no reason to think she wanted Vshojo to run with the money.
There's exactly as much evidence that she killed a bunch of people, as there is for her being involved with charity fraud.
If you want to argue that she's involved, you could at the very least bring some form of evidence to the table, because otherwise we're just dealing in pointless hypotheticals, like her being a mass murderer.

>>102537405
You're getting into conspiracy theory territory.

>>102537405
No one wanna deal with the possible lawsuit so they rather jump shit like rats. Or having to help possible police investigation given that VShojo CEO just committed a crime

>>102537034
I doubt she’s being entirely truthful when she says she just noticed today. It’d make much more sense if she knew some of her payments weren’t coming through or late for a long time but played along optimisticly. Now that mouse dropped the bomb there’s no recourse so she’s scrambling to secure her bag and the image of being a powerless victim.

>>102537468
Am I though? I’m not endorsing the idea that mouse was orchestrating charity fraud or anything like that, I just think it more natural that people weren’t as oblivious to the situation as they’re letting off to be.

>>102537034
im the same as her, but for decades and i'm still waiting to get paid(ill never see the money)

>>102524403
>I want it now.
>*little desk slams*
kawaii~

Total corpa death

https://x.com/ksononair/status/1656226203576188931
just posting this here.

>>102524589
as if youtube doesnt tell you how much money each video makes

>>102524181 (OP)
Why doesn't Ironmouse just pay the charity though? She's a multimillionaire

I can't believe there's retards in this thread actually trying to defend VSHOJO.

>>102538963
It’s pretty obvious Ironmouse is on the same side as vshojo management, especially how they managed this scam

>>102538963
Let's assume Ironmouse has 2 million in hard cash, not in things like investments (hilariously unlikely as taxes would fuck her in the ass). You want her to donate 25% of her own money to a charity because her company stole the money she raised? That's dumb as hell dude. Also keep in mind we suspended disbelief on how much cash she has. You know "multi-millionaires" almost never have their wealth in actual money, right?
>>102539088
>SHE WAS IN ON IT BROOOOO OPEN YOUR EYESSSSSSS
Retard

>>102526943
Trust issues due to her own issues, more like it

>>102539055
there are people that defended WACTOR and nijisanji so...

>>102534532
>>102534184
Given that Ironlung's finances were intertwined with Vshojos and that she is obviously telling the story in a way that paints her in a most favorable light, it's not impossible she ends up with some legal responsibility here although I expect it is low. Look up Clawbacks

>>102539372
The Niji defense at least makes sense, because they weren't defending Niji so much as the talents still affiliated with it. This is different, VSHOJO has lost fucking everyone. They are defending a husk of a vtuber agency with no talents left.

>>102539452
She 100% has responsibility in this mess. It’s a subthon after all. The money goes through her

>>102539055
the issue is that anime girls don't actually make any money

>>102539556
No it doesn't you fucking moron. Ironmouse has her channel set up for all payments to go through Vshojo.

>>102531584
>Assuming that she wasn't absolutely retarded with money
Having met a person in real life, let alone a woman, that is not retarded managing finances. Wouldn't put past saviourfag Kson to invest in a restaurant made by a friend or some similar sidegig.

>>102539556
>The money goes through her
They don't.

>>102539055
I'm afraid the term "multibillion dollar company" doesn't really apply to Vshojo lmao

Didn't Matara get fired for asking too many questions about merch sales? Makes sense now

>>102539588
>>102539894
>oh no no no they don’t because I think so
Be less delusional. It’s never supposed to be a subathon in the first place

>>102539896
Yeah fair, certainly not given that they are about to go bankrupt kek.
>>102539984
You're retarded. We literally know that she has all payments sent to her channel go through Vshojo because she is averse to handling her own finances. This includes subs. This is why Vshojo was supposed to handle the donation, as they have done in the past for her.

>>102539984
I mean if you're just gonna post shit without knowing what the fuck you're talking about, that's on you.

any idea of who it was that was potentially a leak on the inside of vshojo?

lmfaoo did they even pay ANYONE??

>>102540143
My money is on Matara. She was straight up terminated, so she'd have reason to leak shit.
>>102540154
Up until about a year ago, yeah. Though it was always late. Around last September though it seems all payments stopped. Probably Gunrun getting ready for the rugpull and siphoning it into a personal account.

>>102540154
Is it worth sliding into her dms and potentially even get a paycheck out of it

>>102540251
She's gonna want proof you're owed money bro don't be daft.

>>102540251
Retarded nigger behavior

>>102540143
Probably just some disgruntled pajeet who was fired with 3 days notice during downsizing they apparently did
No way an actual talent leaks without farming clout

>>102540143
Look, if I raised a shit ton of money for a charity, and then found out the company I worked for was doing shady shit with said money, I'd lawyer up and hit up the cops before some.accountant made me the fall guy.

>>102540380
>No way an actual talent leaks without farming clout
Dude if a talent leaked and tried to farm clout off of it they'd be liable for litigation. These bitches all signed fucking NDAs.

How in the fuck don't you start demanding answers after month 2????

>>102540279
Hopefully she actually does ask this time

>>102525632
I thought he got the big Twitch bucks and streamer backup sells what happened?

>>102540781
By being incredibly wealthy. Sure for regular people like you and me not getting paid for a couple months is insane. But we are talking about incredibly wealthy talents, many of them are millionaires. Not to mention with the exception of Mouse, all the others still got money via subs and donos and only had merch profits delayed. When you factor all of this it isn't too crazy to see how it managed to go on this long, especially when you consider how much Mouse hates managing her own money. Bitch probably doesn't even look at her own bank account and assumes everything is fine.

>>102540974
My guess? He pocketed all the money he could and plans to retire as a rich baron in some third world shithole. He also just might be HORRIBLE at money management though and blew it all frivolously. The fact that EN and JP branches shared a wallet is evidence that he is TERRIBLE at managing a business.

Why aren't there any vtubing companies that operate on a partner model and are directly owned by the talent? There are several vtubers that are wealthy enough to make this work.

>>102541495
Probably because every vtuber isn't a businessman. None of them have business degrees, none of them have the expertise or knowledge for this sort of venture. They have the capital, sure, but if they couldn't manage it intelligently it'd blow up in their faces and go bankrupt.

>>102541495
I think there are a few instances of things like that (i.e. Vdere), but I don't know if any of them are actual legally companies. The biggest issue is just that Vtubers want to Vtube, not manage.

>>102541495
iirc neo porte is structured like this, owned by a handful of vtubers
idk how well they’re doing though

>>102541495
What’s the point? Are you unironically hoping for indie avengers or what. Either join a corpo that can help you establish a foothold or just be indie. Trying for best of both worlds doesn’t work out well.

>>102524403
JP and EN have nothing to do with each other so Kson is being a woman as usual.

>>102541495
Making a team consisting of all player/managers sounds good on paper but rarely works out. It’s like rounding up Messi and Yamal to manage Barca.

>>102542411
That's completely false retard. The JP CEO went on record here saying JP and EN share a fucking bank account.

>>102542425
Other industries where individual talent generates high revenue like law or finance operate on partner models. I don't see any reason why it can't happen here, especially since indie vtubers do this already and there are non-vtuber streamer owned companies.

>>102530151
Never heard a term called guilt by association? Her name is legally bound with vshojo as do all of them so the court will have to decide what legal obligations they hold when it turns out all these other subparties haven't been paid. Just because you say innocence doesnt mean they actually are without investigation. Vshojo is done.

>>102530442
Not true at all an in-depth investigation will be conducted with how funds were allocated to see if these statements are true or not.

>>102542665
Guilt by association is not a legal term you pseudo-intellectual dipshit. Legally, Mouse has not done anything wrong. Everything is on Vshojo.
>>102542815
The odds that she's lying publicly about her funds with her fucking attorney's concent are nil. You're retarded if you think it's going to come out that Mouse was complicit in the embezzlement.

>>102524874
Man, this entire conversation is painful. I can physically hear the awkwardness in the silence. It’s like when someone knows they’re guilty and there’s nothing more they can say.

>>102543009
It's even worse when you consider he himself likely wasn't involved in this mess at all. He just knows his EN counterpart royally fucked up and now the entire company is going to go under. He's completely resigned himself to this fate.

>>102542893
Considering she would have a more realistic grasp of the budget due to her monthly medical expenses its not looking good. If it isn't Mouse then definitely someone on her team that let things slide on events as per 'normal'.

Hime gone.

>>102543090
Amalee and Melody bailed too. It's done, every talent is going to quit.
>>102543083
No, she wouldn't. Mouse really really really hates managing money. This is why she has everything done for her by Vshojo. She likely had no idea what was going on until the shit hit the fan. Whether someone knowingly kept her specifically in the dark is kind of a given, all the talents were kept in the dark.

>>102543080
Was this live or is this just transcript? I’d like to listen to the audio if it exists.

Why didn’t mouse have the money go directly to charity?

>>102543083
Bro. Why do you want mouse to be guilty so bad? You’re creating such elaborate scenarios to try and paint her in a bad light.

>>102543083 (me)
Ooo you forgot about that part didn't you. So has Mouse been grifting on her disabilities sharing more of the pie or is she really the victim. That's why as I said she would be under harder investigation than others to determine her role in all this.

>>102524181 (OP)
>talents not being paid for their work
It is Nijisanji all over again

>>102543218
It was live but in JP, these logs were transcribed in real time. You can still find the VOD on Kson's channel iirc, but like I said all the audio is JP.
>>102543242
Because she wanted to boost her platform at the same time. Immoral, but not illegal because she was up front and transparent about her cut and record breaking numbers.

>>102543090
Is Froot and Henya the only two have not yet officially quit?

>>102543352
I feel like Henya is such a passive gal, she’d probably be too nervous to even tweet that she’s quitting.

>>102541071
inb4 John McAfee style pseudo-warlord arc on some literally-who island

>>102541495
Glitch stars is basically that

>>102543352
Henya will probably announce it on stream tonight.

>>102543242
These things are done through donations to their platform and then a big check is cut to the charity. That is just the standard right now for some reason. I've always thought these things should be done through some affiliate link so that people know the money is going straight to the charity.

>>102543274
No she is most likely innocent. Im just pseudo intellectually fucking around with you because you have immediately labelled her as innocent when the entire situation is a cluster fuck and lacks critical information. The most likely scenario is she is a victim but fanatical like discussion deserves a bit of poking. Still doesnt invalidate my alternative opinion though.

>>102543352
Froot dropped the Vshojo link completely from her Twitter, she's out. Henya presumably is too, but she's going to announce it live.

>>102542653
By virtue of working in law and finance, it already makes those industries far more in tune with running the business side of things; the same cannot be said for vtubers. You’d need someone with both the inclination and aptitude to start a company. A vast majority of the time those people will self select to be entrepreneurs, very few of them would end up in vtubing or even be aware of its existence at all

>>102531564
Mel, as a silent cofounder/owner of VShojo, might actually be found liable for some of this shit.

>>102531743
Should’ve joined holo

>>102543352
>>102543391
Henya removed Vshojo from her name and bio and tweeted that she's gonna make an announcement about her future activities later today

>>102543594
Doubtful. They could absolutely investigate her but I expect her to easily prove her innocence. Mel may be a filthy whore with a past as a porn star, but honestly she's a goody two-shoes cinnamon roll under that. I'd bet money she was not involved at all and could easily prove that.

Have they tried selling more backpacks?

>>102535683
Anyone who wants their money has to go to court now

Vtuber Yab of the Year award winner. Mark it!

>>102543678
I have no idea what she does nowadays, did she drop her onlyfans shtick and just become a variety streamer?

>>102543791
Everyones money was funnelled into a yearly shitty awards sshow.I believe it

>>102543805
Oh no she still makes vtuber porn. But in her past she was an actual physical porn star (very lesser known one). Not gonna divulge more than that though as it would be against the rules, very easy to find if you research on your own.

>>102543990
Porn like
>she took dicks in every hole
Or
>she touched herself on camera
Which one, because the distinction if important.

>>102543668
Does she has rights over her old Kettle model?

you didn't think she just won content creator of the year for free, right?

>>102544091
The former, it wasn't solo content.

Can someone explain to me in wrestling terms?

>>102544092
Lmao no, I guarantee VOMS kept that. If someone debuts with an agency it's EXCEEDINGLY rare that they own that IP. If they join the agency later however they typically retain it.

>>102544135
Whore.


I wish it was me.

>>102544194
Sad, but given that Vshojo basically imploded and can't even pay lawyers I guess all the vtubers will just hold their models and call it a day.

>>102544172
Mousey is Ray Mysterio, the $500k is the custody of Dominik Mysterio, and VShoujo is Eddie Guerrero.

>>102544172
i haven't interacted with the wrestling sphere in quite some time so I don't know how relevant my knowledge is

John Cena (Mouse) didn't get paid by Vince McMahon (Gunrun), so he left WWE (VShojo); after he spoke out about it, Seth Rollins (kson) left too citing the same thing, which led to all the other huge wrestlers to walk out in solidarity

>>102544240
Eh you probably don't. It's not very good stuff. There's a reason she never made it big in that field.
>>102544249
I'm pretty sure all the Vshojo talents retain their IP rights by contract, that being the "freedom" they advertised aggressively. Hilariously this fucked Vshojo further in the end as they can't ransom IPs to the talents now to pay off their debts.

>>102544100
The same way pekora was nominated in the first place.

>>102531066
Excellent one.

>Vshojo Twitter just removed all talents from their affiliates
IT'S CONFIRMED OVER. DONE. PRESS F TO SPIT ON GRAVE.

>>102544901
it's a rouge intern who still has access to vshojo account

>>102544977
Anon you are reaching copium levels never before witnessed

>>102543430
They're basically a discord server, no one should take them seriously.

>>102524181 (OP)
>Demands the CEO join her on a livestream.
>Hers him to admit to embezzlement.
Sausaga Kaichou.
If she didn't do it, I'll bet no one else would have.

>>102545372
Dammit:
>Hers him to admit to embezzlement.
*Gets him to admit to embezzlement.

>>102543791
Astergate and the Yazumi Files were fucking robbed

>>102545372
>>102545433
To be fair this embezzlement was done by the EN branch, he manages the JP. It's entirely possible he was wholly unaware of it as he sounds like he is just speculating it was embezzled. I can't say for certain if his hands are clean, but I don't think he's our villain here. That's Gunrun.

>>102544384
Honestly, the chaturbate whores kind of hit the nail on the head when they said she only made it big because she found a very specific niche and cornered the market. She’s not very good, pornography is more like an art form. The very best are just in a different league.

>Drags the Japanese CEO on-stream and gives him a dressing down in front of everyone AFTER having already quit
Kson is the girlbossiest girlboss to ever girlboss. I'm actually kinda impressed (and turned on)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9plb8diJy0c
The fuckin' chutzpah on this hapa.

>>102545708
I never cared for Kson before today but now I desperately want to fuck her. She's so hot for this.

>>102545708
You don’t seriously think this wasn’t scripted or at least vetted by a lawyer about what exactly was going to be discussed, do you?

>>102545683
Yeah I actually advise against looking into her live porn. Not because it's immoral, but because it's so mediocre you'll feel it was a waste of time. She really did just corner a niche market before anyone else could, which props, but still.

>>102546437
No, I don't think it was. Are you serious? These girls constantly demonstrate how little they understand about business.

>>102546437
Normally I might think that but she's so uniquely forceful that it might be actually the truth.

>>102546437
Take off the tinfoil hat retard.

>>102546500
This is a matter of taste but I quite disagree, she very clearly has an actual love of cock, something rare among passionless prostitutes who can't act to save their lives.

>>102545677
Fair enough.
Seems like JP was required to send money to the US, get it all sorted out centrally, and were supposed to get it back to distribute to the JP staff and talents, but simply were never given the proper amount back, and had no ability to take it somehow?

>>102527421
die quietly, gunrun is already gone, no prison time if they cant find him

>>102546437
More than half of all vtubers are dumb enough to do this without a lawyer.

>>102546769
Seems to be the case, yeah. Which is an incredibly shitty way to manage a business but a good way to manage a scam if you planned to one day empty everything into personal accounts and flee to fucking Thailand to live like a king and fuck underage prostitutes all day or some shit.

>>102524181 (OP)
another japanese company that is morally corrupt!?
say it isn't so

>>102547673
>another japanese company
Not a japanese company you fucking retard

>>102524181 (OP)
The gunrun is gonna go to jail for breaking federal law there is no way he does not see jail time in any reasonable outcome scenario

>>102548420
Why do you think he hasn't made a statement? He knows. Dude has 100% fled the US by now.

>>102543438
I thought the standard was a direct link cause of bullshit like this happening with the money

>>102545708
>vshojotards can't stop shitting on hololive in the comments
Why is it always like this with them? According to them everyone in hololive has been starving for years but for some strange reason there's no mass walkout.

>>102531066
kek

>>102548181
oh, it was funded by whites/mexicans/blacks?
no, then stfu, faggot

>>102549042
Anon he's right, it isn't a JP company. The HQ is in CA and the CEO is a fucking hispanic dude. It's an American company.

>>102549042
Japanese sub-division of an american company is still an american company.
Keep your mouth shut when you don't know what you're talking about.

>>102549480
>>102549360
ah, you're right.
i just really hate the japanese, it blinded me
you're both fags though (have to say that to save face)

>>102549360
>>102549480
>>102549743
then again, he looks like a fucking jap

>>102550046
Some Mexicans just have whacky ass Asian looking eyes (my city is full of them).

Countdown to Gunruns emote getting removed by Twitch starts now

>>102550083
South americans looking asian is a thing bc of their little eugenics program where they imported foreign men to "make the population prettier"
They couldn't get whites so they settled for japanese bc "japanese are honorary whites"

VShojo was spending money like crazy, so of course, they will quickly run out and will start scamming to keep up appearances

>>102550083
yeah, mexico has one of the largest asian population, this includes japanese.
i think i read somewhere that mexico has the second largest japanese population, after japan.

so he's probably a mexican born nip.

>>102549360
he's chinese not hispanic, I know the name is confusing

>>102524181 (OP)
>do not get paid
>keep working
what do we call this ?

>>102549360
It's funded and controlled by japs.

these corporate rats made the bug cry. i’m overflowing with rage. i hope every last one of them is raped with legal charges for this fraud.

>>102550351
We literally have the jap ceo saying the en side handles all the money.

>>102550351
It's not funded by fucking anyone except the talents. The CEO started it with seed money and when that ran out he resorted to embezzling payments meant for the talents, charities, and commissions back into the company to fund operations. They're insolvent. There's no secret JP benefactor.

If Kson doesn't go full anti corpo after this...I don't know what to say.

>>102550640
she has to do a naked dogeza to the fishman

The only reason Niji is still afloat while Vshojo sunk due to money issues is that Riku Tazumi is a billionaire and 500k is pocket change to him. He’s in it for the fun of it while Gunrun is a homeless man.

>>102550893
The reason Niji is still afloat while Vshojo isn't is because Niji's drama was just that, drama. It hurt their perception and share price, but that was the extent of it. It had no real effect on the bottom line of the company, their finances didn't even blink. Vshojo though? It's a pyramid scheme, a house of cards. This isn't just drama, this is criminal.

>>102550640
She has already said as much.

>>102544100
lmaoo

>>102551671
she said the same when she left holo

>>102550893
niji is publicly listed you can see all their earnings. They are kind of good at earning money. not even comparable to vshojo, if not they are the exact opposite

>>102552778
Thought in Niji case is that JP is functional and its only a shitfest in EN side of it?