Thread 102525714

Additionally, Kuro also announced that he filed his graduation letter, so 3 have already confirmed their leaving right now

>>102525714 (OP)
That's every single talent that has either announced they are leaving and/or removed vshojo from their twitter bios, right? What do you even call a corpo that has ZERO talents?

It all keeps tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down

Over doesn't begin to describe it anymore

>>102525803
talent freedom means free of talent

>>102525803
>What do you even call a corpo that has ZERO talents?
ID branch

>>102525877
Kek

>>102525714 (OP)
Dude the company is dead. Everyone left

>>102525877
classic

>>102525714 (OP)
The last Vshojo member out, be sure to turn off the light

>>102525714 (OP)
IT'S OVER

Not only that but Kson quit live and ask CEO where is her money. lol
https://x.com/hemmingbelle_/status/1947648976653848991

>>102525714 (OP)
>the chsins have been broken
>she's free to go back to doing porn and high end escorting
>maybe even lesbian sex collabs with other pornchuubas
Muh dicc

>>102525714 (OP)
Kuro is nothing without Vshojo branding kek

>>102525714 (OP)
There hasnt been a thread without ESL ever since HOLO left /vt/ ...

>>102525803
>What do you even call a corpo that has ZERO talents?
I would say MSM but Geega is still there

>>102525714 (OP)
It's so crazy to see this is how VShojo ends. Not Brave group acquisition (doubt they would want to buy this company right now), not a big finale concert, but a shitshow that somehow outdone Nijisanji, and all of this happened in LESS than 24 hours. And unlike Anycolor who is only morally bankrupt, VShojo is bankrupt both morally AND financially

Like reminder that they just hired AmaLee and earned UMG contract for VShojoJP recently. They really look like they could thrive back with the new direction, and now we probably won't see VShojo anymore tomorrow

>>102525803
>What do you even call a corpo that has ZERO talents?
Bankrupt

Will always remember the video of her getting fucked by a hilichurl from genshin, fly high queen

>>102525803
>What do you even call a corpo that has ZERO talents?
Nijisanji EN

Oh yeah? What's so V about this SHOJO?

>>102526274
AmaLee got mega-fucked with timing BUT at least she didn't get fucked my staying long enough that the financial stuff hit her too.

>>102526222
he's nothing with them also... which is sad, he's a cool dude

>>102525714 (OP)
lmao, it's funny how spineless these talents are making poor mousey do the hard part of breaking the news while they quietly dip out
The writing was on the wall that management was incompetent after the whole Nux Taku drama, but I guess the talents deserve to get burned after backing complete retards

Can henya go back voms now?

>>102526359
I remember how she praised VShojo on how joining VShojo will lift off some burdens that she had during indie and she could make more music thanks to them

I wonder if it is scripted

Can Mysta, Nina and Mika go back to Niji now?

Mel helped found the fucking company so I know she's hurting right now seeing how it played out.

>>102526363
Considering that the talents themselves could put up with a lot, and it was the charity money thing that pushed everything too far- it had to be Mouse to break the news. It was her charity stream. Anyone else making the accusation would have out Mouse in the awkward spot of having to confirm/deny it.

>>102525714 (OP)
It's over...

>>102526424
Henya will just go indie. She's already sponsored through UTA anyway.

I thought she was a partial owner or is that conveniently left out?

>>102526513
Who would ever want to?

>>102526609
she'll remain as Henya or she will get another avatar?

>>102526542
>and it was the charity money thing that pushed everything too far
from what Kson said many talents were already planning to leave because they were not getting paid their cut, so it didn't have to be mousey to come out and explain that the company as a whole is run like shit, Kson's stream is a good example of what they should have done even if Kson was punching a powerless front man for most of the stream

>>102525714 (OP)
don't let her off the hook so easily, anons. she's a co-founder and the glowie asset in the company
start digging

>>102526513
If the people who bullied them into quitting commit sudoku on stream? Yeah, maybe

>>102526665
Mysta, Nina and Mika. Nijisanji made them after all

>>102526665
sayu

>>102526665
Twisty

So when does the company actually, officially die?

>>102526849
When the FBI finds out which Viet Cong dugout Gunrun hid himself with the money

>>102525714 (OP)
Weird how everyone was totally fine with not getting paid it until the drama blew up in their face.

>>102526222
Should have taken his meds and stay in the company.

>>102526721
She owns the Henya IP and all the models, she doesn't have to change anything to leave.

>>102526665
Victoria and Kunai

>>102526930
Michi just said that she recently found out that they owe her a significant amount of money

>>102525714 (OP)
o7
She's the only one I had fully positive opinion of in that company.

>>102525714 (OP)
This is why talent under no circumstance should be allowed to own their IP.

>>102526721
Most likely keep henya since streamers keep the name and design, she posted on discord she will go through her plans on today's stream.

>>102526930
this all feels planned in advance, they used mouse as a scapegoat to allow them an easy out, they even have a link they can plug for a charity to make them all look good exept the company.
But it could also be that they saw an easy out after mouse and are taking it, Kuro apparently only decided to file his "graduation letter" now

>>102525714 (OP)
Considering that Melody is one of the funders of Vshojo and as situation with Nux showed, he seems to have some privileges and powers behind the scenes? Fuck this lying, worthless bitch. She knew what happened and now try to look clean and nice in front of people.

>>102526930
Why do you think so many people were leaving even before today?

>>102525714 (OP)
Who cares about some whore who shoves vibrators in her asshole

They still have Hime Hajime right?

>>102527095
>he
she*

minorspellingmistake.gif

>>102526930
They started to work for free in September when they still had Geega, Zen and Mouse so they thought the bigger dogs would save the company, if you paid attention you would notice that everyone started leaving only after Geega and Zen did

Bruh. Gunrun is going to be going to jail and getting asspounding that makes Melody jealous.

>>102526121
I quit.
"hai"

>>102526930
One person doesn't get paid, they assume it's just a them problem and everyone else is doing fine so why make too much noise about it? Finding out no one is getting paid changes your perspective in a hurry.

>>102526990
nuh uh

>>102527095
oy vey

>>102526609
>>102526721
But the real question is will she go back to streaming on YouTube?

>>102527322
>Kunai resorts to fleshposting then outright says she hates her day job and wishes she could be a full time vtuber
>Victoria becomes irrelevant
>Meanwhile Claude is getting free vacations to Japan while paying off the entirety of his student debt

kek

PLACE YOUR BETS

WHO WILL STAY WITH VSHOJO?
AKA CROSS THE PICKET LINE?
WHO WILL BACKSTAB THEIR PEERS FOR A BIGGER CUT OF THE PIE?

>>102527435
>she hates her day job
everyone hates their day jobs. if it was good it wouldn't be called a job.

>>102527435
It's nice getting paid for your work and even your business expenses like plane flights. All you have to do is stream and not have a mental breakdown over dumb shit.

>>102527450
No one, VShojo is swimming in debt

>>102527497
Job (noun)
A regular activity performed in exchange for payment, especially as one's trade, occupation, or profession.
No, it would still be called a job, even if you enjoyed it.

>>102527450
nobody
maybe haruka will forget to leave for like a month because eepy

>>102527218
Who?

>>102527450
What pie? Kson's interview with management showed that the whole company is penny less. It's a pyramid scheme where the top is in debt.

>>102525803
WDYM, there's still the auditions. right?
Vshojo's fucking dead

>>102526930
Three of them fucked off in the last few months before Mouse to be fair

>>102525803
What can be, unburdened by what has been.

>>102527594
>t. underage nijisister who hasn't worked a day in her life yet

I'll never understand how corpos can just literally steal the wages of their employees and get away with it. I'm sure various streamers have their lawyers knocking on vshojos doors but we've seen this with other companies in other industries and they just say 'lol we don't have the money any more it just disappeared magically sorry' and get away with it

>>102527802
Incorrect.
Cope.

>>102527432
No, Henya actually, genuinely hates youtube. She's talked about it several times.

>>102527435
In Niji, Kunai hated both her day job and her night job. Now she only hates her day job. So leaving Niji was an improvement for her.

>>102527092
It's very likely coordinated to draw as much attention as possible and hit management where it hurts. Good on them. Never let execs bleed you.

>>102527450
Literally everyone is already out, anon. No one is stupid enough to stay on board a ship that's 5 minutes away from sinking to the bottom of the ocean.

>>102527697
>What pie?
True bottom feeders believe their loyalty will be rewarded. Uncle Tom style.

>>102526990
Those two never even joined, they gave up before debut

>>102527915
>random holo image out of nowhere
Holos have nothing against Glitch Stars, they don't even register on their radar. There are only two corpos threatened by GS: nijiEN and phase.

>>102527997
Who has yet to confirm it?

>>102527435
Clique members are guaranteed to have it good

>>102527936
>Night job
>Disappear for 2/3 of the time you worked there
>Never get fired

Pretty generous night job. She barely even did anything that could be considered work

>>102528097
Yeah, no.
I don't give a fuck about your argument.
I'm just being a grammar fag out of boredom.

>>102528230
Just goes to show how terrible Niji was

>>102527588
Hard work pays off. Foreign concept to Kunai and Vivi, who applied for a job but didn't actually want to work

>>102528104
The Nova girls though they will probably be harder to leave since they are in different department

>>102525714 (OP)
I thought Ironmouse was the Queen of Twitch? How can she make the company so little money that the talents don't get paid and the poor CEO has to get his 500k bonus from charity funds?

>>102528322
They're so terrible that her genmate is busy going on vacations to Tokyo while generating hundreds of thousands of dollars while she's stuck working a dead end office job she hates while shaking her ass for the camera

Hope it was worth it

>>102528230
>Disappear for 2/3 of the time you worked there
>Never get fired
This is the literally white collar America

>>102528104
Mouse, Michi, AmaLee, Kuro, Melody etc.

>>102528565
>Melody
>Literally in a thread about Melody
bro is yapping

Ama is out as well as expected.
That's it. Pretty much an empty vessel by now.
I feel sorry for the JP girls.

>>102528419
Their policy stated that stream revenue is 100% owned by the talent, so the only way Gunrun can have that 500k dollars was Mousey giving him permission to use her money to donate to IDF on her behalf, and he fucking took that chance

>>102525714 (OP)
Vshojo had no business model apart from slogans. Not sure why they find it surprising that company was in the red.

>>102528268
>out of boredom.
maybe get a job then
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Is Froot going to be OK? I still want to pound her whore asshole

What a spectacular end to vShojo. At least the fall of it was amazing to see at least.

>>102528761
Have one.
My shift starts in four hours.
I'm just killing time here.

>>102528664
It's very nice to see all the instant "I'm out TODAY" and not "I will be leaving in xx weeks" crap.

>>102525714 (OP)
melody will be fine she has her porn work that makes her bank

Surprised Hime Hajime is still in considering she's Garnt's wife and in Trash Taste circle with Connor who's close to Mousey.

>>102526252
The wiki hasn't been updated, streamlet. Geega left months ago.

>>102528097
You must know by now that every holo image that is used in /here/ means that guy is a phasefag, come on

>>102528934
When? I don't remember her saying she left MSM

>>102528949
I know, but I wanted to let the anon hang himself with a slip-up.
They were so angry when Kanna joined GS, it was quite delicious.

>>102525803
VReverie had a single talent for a few months last year before debuting a new gen and then dissolving anyway, I guess Vshojo is going for a new record

>>102528949
Tried watching Tenma a few years back.
She didn't interest me all that much, so I stopped.
Never tried again, as I saw no point.

>>102529042
Also I wasn't that anon from before.
I was just being a grammar fag for no reason.
I literally don't care about GS.

>>102528911
Give it time, she barely even streamed

>>102526930
1)as far as I understand the situation it's not "not getting paid" aka getting no money, Vshojo is mostly merch related stuff, they are still well off on donos and such so it's more like not getting your non-essential for a standard of living 30% of income;
2)they are women artists so they have a big leeway when it comes to relationships;
3)modern corporations utilize using emotions ("tell me 10 reasons you are actually excited to work in this company) where imho they don't belong so it produces a situation where workers are pushed to treating a company in an interpersonal manner while corporations are in a much more comfortable position to switch from "we are all friends, nay, family that help each other" to "its' just a business bro". You can argue that workers can pull the same trick but I would argue that corporations are positions such that they can switch from one mode to another in a much more calculated and comfortable manner.
4)there was a "sunken cost fallacy" going on where people didn't want to be uppity to not get in a worse position in negotiating what they are owed (see Kson stream)

>>102528911
Don't think she's still in, she removed Vshojo from her twitter name. Her handle still has it, but might have just missed it.

>>102525803
The government

>>102525714 (OP)
>>102525803

Holy shit. Jeeeezus fucking christ, I've never seen a downfall this hard this fast. Not even Wactor crashed and burned this hard. Even AkioAir didn't eat this much shit.

cannot wait for EN5 to be all vshojo kek

>>102529444
COCO KAINE FOR EN5

>>102529444
EN5 is in two months and the indies they picked have started retiring

>>102525714 (OP)
I thought she owned part of vshojo, how does that work

>>102528669
apparently vshojo owes kson and michi considerable amounts of money, though. And god knows who else. It doesn’t really line up with 100% of revenue being talent owned. I always felt that was more of figure of speech rather than an actual percentage, even moreso given what’s unfolded.

>>102529763
stop noticing

Does it seem kind of sad to anyone else that no one ever seems to stick around to the last and try to defend the company in these situations? If they did good things too, it seems like there would still be some good will that might lead people to do so. But it's just instant, universial turning against them. Obviously they're bad and it's the right thing to be against them. But it would be nice to see people sometimes stick up for the company a little as it's going down too.

>>102526161
>>maybe even lesbian sex collabs with other pornchuubas
Who's gonna tell him

>>102525803
VShojo has achieved Buddhist enlightenment and they are now free of their vtubers.

>>102529882
>michi
But I thought she escaped from hell and is now thriving on a place that respects her
lmao

>>102529896
henya will lick the boot, don't worry

May the lord protect them from nijisanji dark forces.

>>102529969
Just another clown making shit up. Just like K-son

>>102529896
The moment you give talents a free pass in owning IP, that's when you are already halfway on losing them. There is literally nothing stopping them from simply quitting right here and now because they owned the IP anyway, and Gunrun learnt that the hard way

>>102530178
>There is literally nothing stopping them from simply quitting right here
except them not getting paid for 10 months

>>102529763
If she did, she probably wasn't paying attention to the finances. The company is almost certainly bankrupt. Any equity she has -- had -- is worthless. They probably didn't pocket the money so much as stole it to pay off their previous obligations. If they just didn't pay their talents, came clean, and went bankrupt, it would have been legal at least. Stealing donations though...

>>102525714 (OP)
>bros I am a founder of the company and totally didnt know frfr
why does anyone believe these stupid whores?

>>102530178
your suggested "alternative" was pixel-link and vreverie

WHY did they never communicate about this with each other? Surely some of them might have mentioned not getting paid for a period of time?
Why did they all wait for Ironmouse to blow the lid on this?

>>102529896
The company is bankrupt. Do you think they've been paying them? Loyalty evaporates pretty quickly if you stop paying your people AND lie about it. Maybe if you came clean about the financial situation, sure. But not if you lie about it.

>>102529969
>working at a company is "hell"
>spread lies about old workplace in hopes to get more viewers
>while not getting paid
Unironically braindamaged.

>>102525803
FREEEDOOOOM

Ban vshojo general

>>102526274
Brave might still pay for the husk it's still more valuable than most microcorpos in their portfolio, Brave is operating like a giant scam too when you think about it they're not making money

>>102527952
>and hit management where it hurts
does management even care? the money must have gone somewhere, they probably already got a decent paycheck from this and will leave the company bankrupt.
The talents are also not really pointing fingers at anyone in specific so the people at the top won't really be hurt by this, people like Melody have the most to lose as known co-founders

>>102529896

No. No it doesn't feel sad. They embezzled over half a million dollars that was supposed to go to charity. That's cartoon supervillain behaviour. That'd be like sticking around your friend Dave after he robbed an orphanage and then set everything on fire and saying "nah, he helped me move house that one time."

It's not just that talents didn't get paid, a charity that Ironmouse owes her current mobility and relatively strong health to isn't getting the money she raised for them, because they all trusted management. That's fucked up.

>>102530452
>Loyalty evaporates pretty quickly if you stop paying your people
Kson didn't receive pay since fucking september.

>>102530527
Huh, is Melody on the hook for this? Equity goes both ways right, including liabilities?

>>102530533
When you owe an employee $2000 dollars, that's a company problem. When you owe an employee $200000 suddenly it's the employee's problem. Kson and probably everyone else who stayed until now was presumably trying to figure out a way to get that payoff before they left.

Once it became openly known that Vshojo was bankrupt, that motivation, and the last gasps of loyalty it represented dried up instantly.

Can someone please tell me how they spent almost an entire year working for free
>month 1 of not getting paid
>pay me today or i leave

How do you even get further than this.
And please someone explain how someone goes a full year working for free.

>>102525714 (OP)
Better get Melody now, fishman!

>>102530431
they might have believed it when they were told "we're going to pay you trust us frfr" and were making enough from twitch subs/donations to get by.
almost a year of not getting paid by your company is fucking insane though

>>102529396
Because the talents all own their IP and can just walk out immediately like they're doing right now, which isn't the case with most corpos.

>>102530674
she'll share a prison cell with ghislane maxwell

Cons:
>Talents haven't been paid in months
>500k in charity money missing
>Founding member jumped ship months ago
>CEO in hiding

Pros:
>Nothing

What about Froot, Hime and Haruka?

>>102529896
They've stolen hundreds of thousands of dollars from both the talents and charity. Defending the company after that would be insane and would be terrible PR.

Mouse was the only one getting paid. She and Zen got in an argument and that's why they don't follow each other anymore.

>>102525714 (OP)
HEY VSHOUJO! I HEARD EVERYONE ELSE LEFT THE COMPANY! TELL US ALL ABOOT IT!

>>102530817
uuhhhhhhh kurosanji bad hmkay?
please clap and donate $50k
(please)

>>102530533
>>102530776
Yeah, except I'll add that the loyalty already disappeared. They were just pretending to stick with the corp to try to get their money back. Probably the corp knew this too, so they had no incentive to actually pay them since they'd just vanish immediately if they got some of it back. But they really should have known that there wasn't any realistic chance of getting their money back in this situation. Sunk cost fallacy caused them to take more losses instead of cutting and running.

>>102530674
No. That's the whole point of a corp vs, say, a sole prop.

>>102530674
>Equity goes both ways right, including liabilities?
I don't think so if she can prove she knew nothing about it, but her public image should take a hit, but it's not like brainless gooners care and it's not the first time that Melody gets fucked over by business partners

>>102525714 (OP)
Didn't she make vshojo?
Isn't she John Vshojo?

>>102530533
I don’t think any of them in the know kept their mouthes shut out of sheer loyalty, the IOUs are probably insignificant to most of them given their net income, and blowing the whistle probably wouldn’t get them any closer to recouping what’s owed.

how does VShojo make money anyway? I thought I remembered hearing that they don't take a cut of revenue and instead just take 100% of merch sales but I don't know if that's accurate

>>102530817
>Expecting young women to make good financial decisions.

It was probably something like: "Guys don't worry, management says they're just waiting for the sales from this recent convention to come in so they'll have the cash to pay us"

>>102531168
>how does VShojo make money anyway?
now we know how

>>102531168
They take all the money and don't pay the talent anything. It's a very profitable enterprise.

>>102530674
no, limited liability.

>>102531168
Apparently the answer was they don't.

>>102527704
Not anymore

>>102531204
So the business model never made sense, but they still had full-time staff on payroll? This doesn't sound malicious it just sounds like a business failing.

>>102531168
>how does VShojo make money anyway?

Venture capital, which dried up about 2 years ago and is the reason they're now broke.

>>102531286
Tori Oriane also released a video about her experience

>>102531301
Its doubtful that anyone went into this with the explicit intention of stealing money. What likely happened is that investment capital dried up, the business model turned out to be financially unsustainable and the CEO, increasingly desperate to keep the lights on just one more week, resorted to robbing Peter to pay Paul and hoped things would turn around before they got too mad about it.

I'm hoping there's at least one suicide that results from this so it'll go over as the greatest vtuber drama of our time.

all i have to say about the VShojo drama

goddamnit he does it again, he outlasts another drama

>>102525803
congress

>>102531518
How does he do it? It's a fucking miracle at this point.

>>102526222
It would be funny that the accounts that VShojo hired for him actually didn't pay his taxes and instead scammed him even more.

>>102531168
VC money was pretty abundant half a decade ago and they were riding high on that, but once the cash ran dry, so too were their capacity to operate at that level of capacity. They had no choice but to pivot to a semi-pyramid scheme business model where they took money from their own talents to pay down their operating costs.

The JP branch was very profitable, but not enough to lift both it and the EN branch at the same time and since the EN branch took all of the profit their JP subsidiary made to just... pay off their operations, it made their entire business stand on a fragile house of cards which Mouse wasted no time toppling once they told her she wouldn't get the 500 grand that was meant to fund the charity drive dedicated to the same disease that's afflicted her. She took that personally even if the business execs didn't.

>>102531286
Only one Holo has thus far made a response to the current shitshow with Vshojo (apart from Mori, that is)

>>102529396
>Downfall this hard, this fast
It wasn't fast, it was just behind the curtains.
This shit ijust went past the point of no return and exploded.

I just want to know where all the money went. But with everyone seemingly leaving one after the other, seems like nobody even knows what happened.

>>102529396
I can't believe Wactor was outdone. And so quickly too, it hasn't even been 24 hours.

>>102531658
I get it too but at the same time what was vshojo spending so much on anyways? They seemed to be doing, well, very little in terms of management, that was even its premise. Seeing how smaller vtubing companies are operating just fine, this has to be a spectacular level of fumbling the bag given how mich reach their talents had.

>>102531753
Honestly besides Mori who is bestie with most VShojo members and Raora who was a well-known indie supporter, no other HoloEN have deep connection with VShojo (Ina has Henya but that's it)

The JP side however will be interesting because they fucked kson up, which I can imagine is something HoloJP members do not accept

>>102531157
Vtubers are not really known for their business acumen or business savvy. In fact, many of them are naive and easy marks for scammers. The VS contract was a bit too good to be true... and you know what they say about things that are too good to be true.
Doki incorporated and got the (first) business she started stolen from under her. If you get pressured to sign over your control, or just leave it to someone else, it doesn't matter if you're the face of the company. A very rough lesson any entrepreneur has to learn, not just vtubers.

>>102531566
He has the most sustainable model in all of streaming. He just copies the tactics of twitch thots except he makes his viewers pay him to put more clothes ON instead of taking them off. It's honestly brilliant.

>>102531753
Gamer Supps made a response too

>>102530817
because they were told the money was being invested into future stuff for them
They were probably expecting 3d lives and concerts

>>102526922
>he thinks GunRun didn't know about this
Anon, they had a whole fucking year to fix this.
And from what kson said, they kept promising her that they will give her money eventually.
I can understand a few months, but 10 months is way too much.

>>102528911
>>102527690
>>102527218
Maybe Hime has been training in the hyperbolic time chamber just for this moment. SHE WILL SAVE VSHOJO

>>102528339
I hate mogu she is such a bitch

>>102529042
the bitches who hate that are retards

Thank goodness they all own their likeness/intellectual property/whatever so they don't have to worry about getting a new model and all that.

>>102530817
Because they didn't; they keep all the revenue from their own channels. It's not like they had no income this entire time.
The money that they haven't been paid would have been their cut of sponsorships and merch sales.

>>102532124
Seems kinda naive though
I’m not even convinced half of them want to or are capable of performing

>>102526665
Pomu and Selen

>>102528104
If they don't have VShojo in their twitter name just assume they are out.

>>102531455
What a retard. He should've just announced that they're broke, then nobody would've been mad at him. The corporate world is so retarded.

>>102528881
I mean what's the point of staying?

>>102532757
contractual obligations

>>102532082
Oh shit. If they have enough money to drop another 15k, they have enough money to sue vshoujo for the first 15k.

>>102532803
I don't think they had any.

lol

>>102532803
Which mean fuck-all since Vshojo breached the contract and is insolvent
They went full Enron

They are all backstabbing snakes. They were all happy to benefit from the company when they were bringing in money, but after their numbers plummeted they immediately try to pick vshojo apart for anything that's left. Fucking vultures.

>>102531455
I can't fully believe it was purely poor management, they must have been pocketing some of the money as well, if it was just poor management you'd assume VShojo's top supporters like Kson and Co-founder Melody would have stepped up to help fix shit no? If they can't pay their staff then they have to fire them or pass the cost onto the talents (which they were already not paying their share)

>>102531753
Based on the raora thread they are friends >>102529790

>>102526930
Who said they were fine with it?

>>102525803
>What do you even call a corpo that has ZERO talents?

talent free
*bdum_tssssss*

>>102533070
/vshojo/ said it

LMAOOOOOO

>>102532994
It's possible it's entirely incompetence. It's also possible it started as incompetence, and when it became clear the company was going under they started stealing from it. These are common scenarios at insolvent companies. Judging from how the payments got later and later, it wasn't a case where someone just took all the cash in one go and ran.
Damningly, it also sounds like they tried the pyramid route, hiring more talents to steal/"borrow" from to pay older obligations. There often aren't any real consequences for executives, especially in america... but maybe stealing donation money will result in something.

>>102525714 (OP)
She's one of the owners, she probably took a share of the money is now playing innocent lmao

>>102531753
I feel so fucking awful for the girls that got accepted just to have their hopes destroyed by this yab. I hope mouse figures out a way to help them incline.

>>102533144
>no talents - no drama
genius

>>102531934
You have to pay commissioners and staff. Merch sales just didn't cut it, especially as a bunch of golden geese left because their IP isn't tied to the company.

Yeah, the vshojo model is very good for talent money but making no money doesn't work for a business.

>>102532428
yeah but nobody wants to be the asshole going "Fuck what you want" to the people who do
definitely naive, although honestly it's crazy to me that gunrun did this for so little money after all the years he's been doing stuff

>>102526609
>UTA

>>102533492
mouse gives zero shits
if anyone does anything to help it'll be Kson

>>102532949
If my job owed me a bunch of money and wasn't going to pay it, I'd get a new job. Lmao

>>102534197
Mark my words kson is the last person to give even a cent to anyone but herself
Her questions grilling the jp CEO were not when everyone will get paid, it was about where and when hers will.

>>102534197
What gives you the impression kson is looking out for anyone other than #1?

>>102526222
Vshojo branding hurt Kuro. Debuting a male in an all girl group didn't make sense and made him become that one overlooked member.

>>102534687
It’s not like he had much of a brand to begin with anyway aside from being a rainbow retiree. And one of the dumbest ones at that, which is wuite the feat.

>>102535025
>It’s not like he had much of a brand to begin with anyway aside from being a rainbow retiree
He was one of the biggest EN vtubers prior to debuting in VShojo. Had he gone indie, more of his past fanbase would have followed him and he would have gotten more into the indie circles, leading to interactions that bring about viewer engagement.

>>102535234
mah fuckin post got stolen goddamnit >>102531518

>>102531934
>what was vshojo spending so much on anyways?
I have done internet startups and often times the success depends on the CEO's personality . I have had times where they were great at launching it but then become complete idiots in the day to day and growth.
A little bit of success can go to their heads and they become unhinged . "OMG We're the New Apple !! " -- and then spend the money on new downtown office space -- sign big contract with ad firms and marketing "gurus" then all it takes is a change in either expenses** or revenues an because you have spent or taken out all the cash for the last couple of years . you have no way to weather the storm.
** one big one is a loan ... hey you just have to service the debt ... then you try to renew and they want more per month now that the Vtube scene is more saturated then when you started .

>>102534505
>>102534646
the fact that she (stupidly) sacrificed a lot to help Rushia

>>102535329
>Had he gone indie, more of his past fanbase would have followed him
You realise he was deliberately purging his old fans because he didn't want them, right?

>>102525714 (OP)
sucks for henya but considering I hate every other vshojo talent this is a pretty decent situation

>>102535635
i think she was just being manipulated ngl

>>102535531
They did buy those english ads for en talents in the tokyo subway.

>>102535635
Didn't she make money off of Rushia?
Back when they were both in VShojo together, a lot of their sponsored deals were both of them together as a pairing, like cafes, merch, etc. The only reason they were getting them was that for quite a good while, Rushia/Nazuna was pretty popular until she started sabotaging herself. I'd say Kson made some good money there

god please amalee join hololive. my dick can't handle the idea of a kronii/amalee/rissa collab

>>102535747
The fact so many people kept falling for that menace's bullshit over and over again is both impressive and depressing.

>>102535814
fuck off vshojo beggar nobody wants that boring used up slut

>>102535676
Yes, he didn't want the toxic ones, especially as he was going to enter an all girl group and didn't want anyone harassing the other girls. However, not all of his fanbase that was filtered at first was toxic. Some felt betrayed that he jumped straight to another org, and some didn't see the appeal of a sole male in a girl group. One of Kuro's main strengths is the humor he brings in collabs, and he really didn't get many chances to showcase that in Vshojo. Even when he did, it didn't bring in new viewers since Vshojo's audience wants to watch female vtubers.

>>102535329
>Had he gone indie, more of his past fanbase would have followed him
Have you missed his stream with Matara (IIRC), where he explicitly said that he disliked the fandom, because they were unreasonable to the point of being batshit?

>>102536109
See above

>>102535789
Ironic that those posters slapping Nazuna’s face all over Shibuya labeled “talents first” were paid with embezzled funds

>>102531856
>I can't believe Wactor was outdone
No it wasn't.

>>102534687
>>102535025
>>102535329
no one gives a single fuck about male v-tubers

>>102529896
KEK, everyone in the industry is looking at this and the #1 lesson they take from it will be: never EVER let your talents retain 100% IP ownership.

watching "professional" vtubers pikachu-facing upon learning that companies can go bankrupt and not be able to pay their stakeholders is something alright

>>102536439
Shoto, Kenji, Niji male vtubers show otherwise. There's a market for it, and it definitely wasn't in VShojo as a sole male.

>>102536418
yet. And hopefully it won't.

>>102525714 (OP)
This entire "talent agency" for Vtubers is so silly. You get what? Free marketing, promotion, ect.. ?Being independent has more pros than cons like obviously making and keeping majority of the money you make. The music industry is irrelevant now since independent musicians can do all the marketing with so much ease with the Internet.. It feels really backwards that any talent agency is even a thing in Vtuber culture.

vshojo might not paid on time but hololive would have destroyed poor girls mental health!! imagine the loss

>>102536418

Wactor didn't implode in less than a single day. That's an all time record. Vshojo can't even collapse the same way as the others.

"When I debuted with VShojo, I had a huge number of overseas viewers. 50,000 people came to my Twitch debut stream, but then my audience was raided over to other VShojo talents, and I recall a time I had to ask them to please stop doing that without my permission. Beyond that, I spent a year telling them I wanted them to bring in more Japanese members. Nazuna, who can't speak English, has been doing this all alone on Twitch."

"I endured it for a year, but I realized it was impossible, so I graduated. Immediately after, I was told, 'We want you to remove the "Graduated from VShojo" part from your profile,' which made me feel incredibly sad and lonely. It hurt me to think, '...is this what they say to you after working together for so long?' In any case, I hope everyone finds happiness."

"Since my viewers, who were originally mostly from overseas, were raided to other people, they naturally flowed more and more to the other EN girls instead of to me, Nazuna, who can't speak English. It was a sad feeling . There were times I became paranoid, wondering if the whole point was just to get my overseas viewers. I want to believe that wasn't the case."
https://x.com/AmemiyaNazuna/status/1947648036643213550

>>102525714 (OP)
Oh... I feel bad for this whore.

>>102530776
I would imagine that this is why most (almost all) Hololive graduations are relatively cordial. Even if a departing member was clearly frustrated to their wit's end with management, I believe none of them went nuclear because at the very least, Cover got them their money with little fuss.

>>102527048
How the fuck do you "recently find out" youre not getting paid

>>102531753
What did mori say about it

>ex staff fighting against upper echelons of vshojo
tiny hat gang

>>102537027
It looked like that for outsiders like us, but it was probably different for the talents. A lot of them saw the writing on the wall.

>>102537315
kys mikecat

>>102525714 (OP)
Vshojo still doing great if henya stay right?

>>102532876
I have never heard people talk about hime hajime

>>102537817
She won't be

>>102536563
>gaybait
>gaybait
>gaybait
not much of an audience for that lol

>>102538077
That's popular in vtubing for both genders. What do you mean?

Home is also out in case anyone cares.
https://x.com/himehajime_vsj/status/1947707370240364814

>>102538403
>home
I know she is a big girl, but this is a bit much...

>>102538330
Then why don't the clippers clip them?

>>102538515
They do clip them

>>102538403
https://x.com/VShojo/affiliates
all of them are

>>102536625
Just think for a second anon.
If we assume a non-evil brand that doesn't have too strict rules, then it makes financial sense. With a group/agency you can lower overhead, have dedicated staff to handle whatever shit the talents don't want to deal with (legal shit, financial stuff, merch) and have more negotiating power in brand deals.

Apparently "non-evil without strict rules" is asking for too much though kek

Vshojo should hire Sinder and redubut as a heel organization that panders to China and shits on indies

>>102537604
nta, but probably by getting underpaid and being too naive/lazy to reconcile the payments. If you've ever had to do daily reconciliation for work you'd know what a pain it is...

>>102537401
It's clear that Cover is not always the best place for everyone to work at, and that the rapid growth they've had over the years have come with it's own challenges, both for the company and the talents, and have turned some off, like Shion and Aqua who had both been talking about how they missed when it was just a dozen girls working out of a hole in the wall, some time before their graduations.
And while it's sad that some of the girls we've come to love don't feel like it's the right place for them any more, it's also clear that they at least enjoyed their time there enough to not make it a thing they need to vent about.
And I'd much rather they go on to find a model that works for them, than try and stay in a place that clearly isn't working for them.
Cover is far from perfect, but they at least seem to be trying to run things as professionally as possible.
It's sad to see this happen to Vshojo, because at least from the outside, it did seem to offer a good option for people who anted something more than just being indie, but also wanted something different from what the more traditional corporations could offer, and a lot of the girls seemed to genuinely believe in the idea.

>>102537315
God she's such a fucking menhera schizo, I want to knock her up so she can ruin my entire life

>>102538869
Thanks chatgpt but no one ain't reading all that.

>>102538676
Well, there's phase... for now.

>>102527092
I am a bit upset about the fact that Mouse and Connor are so ashamed of not paying the foundation that they started a new fundraiser..
Wtf is this shit..get those money from your pockets or gunrun's dont use this thing to start another fundraiser while IM gets to take the month off. Why is it the fault of the audience that they let themselves get scammed. I understand its for a good cause but the timing is super bad

>>102538615
I've not seen a male clip with more than a few thousand views at most. Any girl will get millions.

>>102539016
Why would anyone need chatgpt to write 5 sentences?

>>102539047
I like them, but let's be honest we don't know what's happening behind the scenes there either. They seem to have a better company culture, but I wouldn't have guessed Vshojo to fuck up this bad either.
Time will tell I suppose.

>>102538403

https://youtu.be/OdurVND-DSs

>>102538665

Is that supposed to be blank because everyone fucked off, or is twitter just not working for me?

>>102539047
We will see how they will fare after the inevitable firefight breaks out between Pippa and Clara (with Rie assist) fans during PhaseCon.

>>102527923
hilarious because youtube viewers are the ones who saved her cats life with donations

>>102539084
I have a feeling ironmouse got fleeced a bit as part of all of this and isn’t exactly swimming in cash as we’d like to think

>>102539084
Have you considered helping to lessen the burden on our overstretched mental health care system? All it takes is a rope and a chair.

>>102539153
Do you not know how algorithm works? Here you go -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3btjQH_K9vY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wxfboMjZEk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3VbqkIAxps

>>102539229
everybody has the icon removed except the jp account

melody come home

>>102539084
Why do you think they just have 500k lying around in liquid cash?
And it's not like anyone is going to see Vshojo pay up any time soon.

>>102537962
So what does this have to do with all vshojo streamers unfollowing ironmouse?

Good news Parrot you're free of the nijimines!

NOW REPORT TO THE VSHOJO BLAST ZONE FOR WORK!

I feel so bad for the fresh wave of people who passed the auditions. Like, you were about to join one of the biggest vtuber corpos and just be permanently set as a big streamer. Then the corpo explodes.

>>102525714 (OP)
I'm sure this is schizo, but the way it's playing out, I 100% think that all of them pocketed a part of the money and fucked off throwing the "corpo" under the bus.

>>102539453
They knew she was about to sink the boat, and hate her for it.

>>102539517
I looked at their channels and they're actually good entertainers too. It's sad that if the timing were different, they would have been popular and rich.

>>102539415
>kenji
ew

>>102539415
>one year
>two years
>three months
Now show me Mata's latest clip.

>>102539517
apparently they smelled the stink months ago from other talents and were somewhat prepared for this

>>102539517
Did they even hire new streamers? The last addition was amalee and she definitely isn’t new

>>102527435
Claude was best friends with Elira, and was immediately welcomed into the social group, and put front and center in collabs, and became the "star of the show" for the huge offcollabs in japan. Funneled all kinds of perks and opportunities and such.
The girls meanwhile were locked out of everything for daring to "make luca uncomfortable" by not accepting his advances. Claude pretended they didn't exist. They were going nowhere in that company anyway.

>>102539709
You're really moving the goalposts here. You said they only get a few thousand views at most, and I showed otherwise.

>>102525714 (OP)
wasn't this whole this her idea tho?

so who is the guy that was on the inside and potentially leaked info on vshojo talet?

>>102539856
After an entire year. Any video can have that much after a year. I'm talking consistent high numbers here you male watching faggot.

>>102525714 (OP)
Still relevant.

>>102539792
the company kept postponing their redebuts to the point they didn't have much hope anyway

>>102539921
Wow, these are really high numbers. You sure showed me.

>>102539921
Imagine having this much hatred for your own gender. You should see a therapist about that before you start transitioning.

>>102531168
Unlimited printing of dollars just like every American "company" lol.
Now that other countries aren't sponsoring their inflation by using their currency for trading with each other, further currency printing will only result in inflation for their own citizens.
Enjoy!

>>102530238
>They haven't been paid for 10 months so they will stay with the company that hasn't paid them in 10 months
C'mon now

>>102539921
Male viewers are watching vtubers for "companionship". They have their own sources of porn that are abundant. Their oshi is mostly there to be a girlfriend placeholder, or just a virtual friend.

Female viewers have a VERY different motive. They are here to masturbate, period.
Women need a "story" and "characters" to jerk off, unlike a man, and vtubers are ideal for this purpose. The female viewer demands male vtubers all have a very particular bodytype that she can masturbate to, that's why all male vtubers look like clones. She also demands they do a partcuarlu fujobaiting routine with each other, so she can imagine gay buttsex scenarios which she can rub her ugly pussy to. It's VERY important that these scenarios are not "explicit" but rather "hinted at" so she can pretend to figure out the mystery.

The EN branch of NijiEN in particular is known to be extremely pornographic in comparison to the JP branch. A lot of female fans of the JP branch stop by EN when they want to masturbate, since the vtubers there are extremely degenerate and have no sense of morality or reservation.

>>102532949
>when they were bringing in money
lol the whole problem is that they WEREN'T bringing in any money

>>102539191
Yeah, it's always a bit worrying with these smaller private corpos, but at least their business model is sound, and they do get an awful lot of superchats/streamelements (a few of them are well in the holo range dono-wise although obviously their ad/events/sponsor revenue is much lower) so at least I doubt money is an issue at the moment.

>>102539517
They're lucky it happened now and not after months of non-payment. Though the best time for it to happen would've been a day after debut, so they at least get the buff (and hopefully YT/twitch could hold the revenue from that stream).

>>102539084
Ironmouse never lost her salary either :)

>>102539792
I've seen three different Vtubers admit to having passed the auditions, so yeah

>>102539807
lol retard

>>102539519
Would be hilarious if everyone was stealing money and there was none left to pay anyone “officially.”

>>102540590
Fourth one (3D idol and formerly a corpo vtuber form a agency that closed down) pretty much confirmed she was in, but will make a statement later.

>>102540328
>Male viewers are watching vtubers for "companionship". They have their own sources of porn that are abundant. Their oshi is mostly there to be a girlfriend placeholder, or just a virtual friend.
Good joke. Why don't you go to any of the female vtuber threads here and see what's posted more- stream discussion or horny pics.

>>102540722
The "shared money" enter through the company, so there isn't really an opportunity for the talents to steal it.

>>102540864
Welp it saves them some time to not make a post now

>>102537887
There's nothing to talk about anyway.

>>102540328
you say that as michixnumi and dokixmint milk the fuck out of yurishipper incels like you

>>102540098
Isn't she primarily a Twitch streamer?

>>102541443
She dual streams. Shoto and Kenji stream on Twitch too.

>>102531168
in theory, they made money from their share of merch sales. in practice, they made money from venture capitalist investment and low interest loans that all dried up years ago. it's pretty clear now that the retards running the company had no plans to make the company actually profitable and were expecting the good times to keep on rolling, likely a lesson Gunrun learned from his time in Twitch itself which also has never been profitable. I doubt any of the people responsible for this shit show went into with malicious intent, but when you're so fucking incompetent that you're casually defrauding employees and charities because you don't know how to make a profitable company, you don't belong anywhere near an upper management position.

>>102540098
Know your place. kuro only got into vsj through Mata. He's gonna have to get a real job now!

>>102541828
What? You're the one who brought up Mata and numbers.

>>102541969
Making fun of m*les is its own reward.

>>102541828
kuro got in through mouse and gunrun