Thread 102529206

VTubing then // VTubing now

>>102529206 (OP)
It's literally the same

the trvke that killed /vt/

when the keyfabe is died

>>102529206 (OP)
Fact flood

>>102529206 (OP)
HoloJP doesn't have this problem.

>>102529206 (OP)
On the topic, what would be some vtubers, who can still pull off, what is on the left in this picture? What would it take to keep it that way? Maybe an overarching story line? World building?

>>102529654
FuwaMoco

>>102529206 (OP)
volumes

>>102529654
FWMC are the only ones good at kayfabe. EN5 needs people who are just as good at it.

its only downhill from here

>>102529206 (OP)
I'm glad actual AI vtubers are replacing the awful real ones.

>>102529206 (OP)
If you ever thought it was anything more then the right you're either a retard or delusional.

>>102529726
>>102529819
Unfortunately Fuwamoco's proximity to the rest of Holomems is a constant reminder of their 3Dness and puts them at risk of eventual yabs.

>>102529206 (OP)
OOF

>>102529941
Yabs are irrelevant. They don't bleed into their content.

>>102529246
If you were still in school in 2016, yes, it's the same.

>>102529206 (OP)
>time to watch my favorite vtuber to wind down after a tiring day
>"hi~~~ *baby crying in the background* today we're playing FOTM game! *moves away from the mic* oh honey, you're in charge of changing his diapers now! *comes back* so let's get started! remember to akasupa so I can buy a new toy for my baby! *husband audilbly slaps her ass* not now honey!!"

>>102529565
>marine
>laplus
>matsuri
It definitely does. Stop coping.

>>102530357
>>marine
Oh, so you don't watch streams and just use EOP vibes.

>>102530106
The only way this could be better is if he also gets a model and they collab together.

Most of phase connect

>>102529565
truth nuke
ken samas win again

>>102529654
Kayfabe is literally impossible for women. They will try it for a few weeks and then always revert to going back to being generic egirls with an anime png attached to them.

>>102529206 (OP)
ftfy

>>102530588
>

>>102530588
Then watch male vtubers then if keyfabe is so important

>>102529206 (OP)
TRVKE NVKE

>>102530622
Show me the stream where Kizuna Ai or Mirai Akari in 2017 talked about their home, vacation and boyfriends

>>102530622
Newfag! vtubers back then do not stream!

>>102530750
i-i wasn't around back then, okay???

>>102530484
But he's already piloting zen

>>102529905
Imagine reading lord of the rings and Tolkien interjects with a story about him and cs Lewis serving together in the British army

>>102529206 (OP)
>2016

>>102529726
FWMC whine about being tired and sick all the time. That makes them no fun to watch any more when all they do is bitch about their real life.

Westerners are to blame. I'm sorry. This is not the business for west people. Some of you lack decency and respect

>>102530903
Die, SEAnig

>>102530798
so don't talk???

>>102529206 (OP)
V
>>102530622
this. But since it spread to the west it has become less about idol/anime and more about just streaming. Which isn't a bad thing fuck idol culture.
But also now you are usually just watching some white bitch who's alcohol/drug addiction your feeding with your donations at worst. And at best your supporting her and her boyfriend, again which is fine, but when they try to be idol/gfe and hide that , its super manipulative.

>>102529654
my 3view oshi

>>102530798
newfriend...

>>102529206 (OP)
Trvthpocalypse

>>102531012
There’s like 2 that are the left and half of those are trans

>>102530903
Not me, I'm decent and respectable.

>>102530903
this but unironically

>>102530750
You think Kizuna went on hiatus for a couple years for the lulz? She had a kid and can now leave them in daycare. But no hehe she was in sleep mode.

>>102529654
The only two autists i know of in the western vtubing scene
>a german EDM dj and slice of life sitcom with other characters
https://www.youtube.com/@LjotSwanhild
>a shadow government minister doing deus-ex worldbuilding
https://www.youtube.com/@Suraya_Archive

>>102530900
It wouldn't be so annoying if it wasn't all self inflicted. They can take it easy and just stream. But they don't and keep taking every single opportunity as soon as it appears. So either they're lying and they're being forced or it's entirely their own fault and I've ran out of patience with it.

>>102529206 (OP)
accurate

>>102531080
she's not trans, but I won't name her /here/

>>102529654
>what would be some vtubers, who can still pull off, what is on the left in this picture
I know this isn't the answer /vt/ wants to hear but males

>>102531220
Okay. Now show me the stream in 2016 where she talked about her home, vacation and her boyfriend like the picture suggested and not your unrelated JP rrat.

>>102529206 (OP)
This. It's so simple.

>>102531220
Reminder that we should enjoy our creators, as long as they are around, because they might be gone sooner than we imagined.

>>102530653
She's the best.

>>102530456
Yeah like that stream with Botan?

>>102531661
>bringing up collabs to prove his point
I'll take that as a concession.

>>102531234
Giga autism I kneel!

>>102529206 (OP)
Streams were a mistake. Return to shortform content.

>>102531956
Shortform content authentically made in-house by themselves and in character = I agree
Shortform content that's clips from a stream that's edited by a zoomer with the attention span of a fruit fry = Fuck no

>>102529654
unfortunately only us the fellas can do that now. when someone posted proof that my 3view was actually a SEAmale with a feminine voice I wasn't surprised at all

>>102531234
Glad to see more suwawa recognition

>>102529206 (OP)
I wish I could go back in time

>>102531234
>male
fuck off

>>102529654
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruVW_b6bR20

>>102532527
Alright then, you go enjoy your streams where your oshi talks about what she did with Chad in France for 2 hours then.

>>102529654
Ljot Swanhild

>>102529654
Suraya Mousouzoku (babi tho)

>>102532527
You asked for a chuuba that is a character and dont talk about irl lives

>>102531852
How is that a concession, you dumb cuck? Your oshi is into NTR and shamelessly admitted to it in front of all her gachis.
>i-it d-doesn't c-count! I-it w-was a c-collab!!
You lost all dignity, corpocuck.

Op is an +25yo virgin who still believes in Santa Claus lmao.

>>102530622
False nvke

>>102530484
Many such cases

>>102529206 (OP)
Gem
>>102530622
Coal

>>102530106
What possesses someone to make up fantasies like this one in their head? Is it excessive porn consumption?

>>102530622
Point to me on this channel the example you mentioned
https://www.youtube.com/@kaguyaluna

>>102529565
They're Japanese women anon, they're getting the banana split AT LEAST every weekend when they all go out drinking with the rest of the company.

>>102529206 (OP)
I've been saying it for a long time. Vtubing died with Kizuna Ai after the industry shifted to livestreams from prerecorded content.

>>102533376
e-thot with an avatar mad she's getting called out detected

>>102529206 (OP)
Why are you watching something you dont enjoy? Why not watch something you enjoy?

>>102529206 (OP)
Phase Connect doesn't have this problem though

>>102533313
>How is that a concession
Collabs are going to be an exception, since it's much more difficult to coordinate and keep up kayfabe when multiple people are involved.

>>102533796
HoloJP has plenty of hopeless old virgins like Marine.
Anyway, I don't care what they do behind closed doors.

>>102531242
They are the reason I flipped from being a generally positive supporter of a few talents to just watching whoever, whenever I want and shit talking talents who I think do something stupid.

>>102529206 (OP)
Reminder that Coco was the ringleader of this.

>>102532900
Is this a /pol/ chuuba like Kirsche and the Vtards?

>>102533944
>moving the goalpost
The argument isn't about muh kayfabe but about the fact that there is plenty of bad apples in holo and you are naive to think otherwise.

And of course the cope "solution" is just
>well we will simply debut as whoretubers and be open about our real life to rip the bandaid off right from the start
instead of making any effort to return to kayfabe.

>>102534119
I think it's stupid to call them bad apples, but people are being delusionally retarded if they're screaming about how the woman behind the character is totally a virgin who's not seeing anyone. I'm sure there's a few in Holo as a whole who fit that description, and a handful or two that are not dating anyone

>>102529206 (OP)
I miss the edited content.

>>102534119
>The argument isn't about muh kayfabe
uhhh it 100% is, no idea what you thought i was arguing in a thread about kayfabe

>>102534004
FWMC was my last hope for vtubing. The Christmas era of 2023 filled me with lots of hope.
EVERYTHING was downhill since the Japan arc. It's like they got what they wanted and the fans became expendable.
And it pains me to say that because I remember them as the tour guides.

>>102532208
Post him, I don't mind a good babiniku.

>>102534418
What do you mean, anon? You mean you don't like your cheap labor stream edits with a load of obnoxious zoomer memes and sexual innuendos?

>>102534085
Worse he stand with the Warmaster

>>102534085
>/pol/
not really, but theres plenty of alternate reality worldbuilding an geopolitics on their twitter
https://x.com/QWIL_Newscast/status/1820242735879835796
https://x.com/QWIL_Newscast/status/1881868344758059164

>>102534311
There will be a large scar underneath that bandaid and it will never fade.

>>102534787
I'm not all that against loud=funny since I loved Kaguya Luna back then, I still listen to her singles to this day.

>>102529206 (OP)
vtubing for me
I'm vibing while everyone is crashing out. I took the best indie pill.

>>102534649
I wouldn't say expendable, but post move they went SUPER hard on merch and cut back on the things that made it fun. It made me really cynical towards the way they treated this as an absolute business and even with all the sugary-sweet bullshit they say all the time, I just couldn't look at vtubers/Holo as anything other than the biggest cash grab. The few other talents I watch were always saying things like 'Sorry, I know Injust put out merch recently, but this is important to xyz happening'. With them, it's just 'Hey don'y forget to buy the merch! Oh also if you can't right now, you can buy the next one in 2 weeks! It's fine, now look at all these retweets of merch and pictures of fans merch they have.'. It just got insanely tiring and made me stop buying merch from any talent from about October 2024 onward.

>>102529206 (OP)
You grew out of it

>>102533944
>hopeless old virgins
>like Marine
Anon, frankly speaking you're fuckin' stupid.

>>102535014
There's definitely a difference between Kaguya Luna's loud=funny vs
>VINEBOOM
>Amogus!
>Wooooooaaaaaaw~~~
>PLAPPLAPPLAPPLAPPLAP
>SKIDIBI
>Absolute CINEMA
>BONGOS BINTED
etc.

>>102534557
Then you are wrong anyways since holos constantly talk about their travels, houses that they bought and ecelebs they like.

>>102533313
NTA, but that stream you didn't watch was about discussing the content, fetishes, scenarios and tropes of erotic manga, you dumb fucking retard. Botan doesn't actually fuck moms IRL, you stupid nigger. Most women are into love triangles and drama and cheating in fiction. Most don't think about the male character's feelings at all because porn is escapist fantasy and most women wish men would fight over them. Look at fucking Twilight for fuck's sake.
Marine has always said that cheaters are unforgivable IRL.

>>102535058
So you wanna watch a male let's play streamer but less funny

>>102535108
Lesbian sex doesn't count.

All you idiots had to do was keep watching jptubers. You were fucking warned about western women, and now look where you are. You're pathetic.

>but muh phase and holo
Compared to how many other entubers? Shut the fuck up. Take the yellow pill and be happy for once in your life.

>>102535369
Give up anon, you can't expect a redditnigger to separate fiction from reality.

>>102535217
Yeah because Kaguya used 2000s loud = funny you grew up with.

>>102535388
Name one male LP streamer that is funny. I watch cute anime girls die repeatedly at hard video games until they lose their minds. That's pure entertainment.

>>102529206 (OP)
Can vtuber please stop posting their IRL tits and ass like it's normal?

>>102535433
>>102535442
It is literally japanese corporate culture to get drunk on the weekends with the rest of the crew and hookup. You're willingly ignorant of the very cultures you claim you admire despite their practices doing everything you don't want them to do.

How many more have to reveal themselves to you until you finally understand this is all literally fake and gay.

>>102535388
Considering what is happening, anon made the equivalent of a safe investment that is paying off just because everyone else is crashing hard and fast.

>>102530900
>FWMC whine about being tired and sick all the time
I am glad I am not the only one who notices this. They constantly bitch about it, and their streams are all low energy. I stopped watching them because they are downers, when I am trying to cheer up.

>>102535058
But vtubers suck at video games.

>>102535675
Giamt Bomb was great until a few years after Ryan Davis's death.
Game Grumps before the first split was good.
Two best friends was decent till the mid to late 10's.

>>102534649
It feels like they discarted their western fans and can't wait to become JP only. Half their stream is them talking in Japanese.

>>102533937
Are you kidding? There's only, like, two Phase girls who take their lore seriously.

>>102535797
Yeah I guess it's a pretty safe investment if you strip away all the unique things that make a vtuber a vtuber and just focus on the videogame that she's playing between zatsudans and concerts.
>i want a burger with no meat, no lettuce, no tomato, no pickles, no onion, no bacon and no sauce
>mmm yummy bread, they never get my order wrong, i win!

>>102529206 (OP)
That's exactly my experience

Unironically why I enjoy Vedal as a vtuber. Bro doesn't talk about his vacations, hobbies, relationships, personal health or life experiences, even in third-party collabs. Ofc he thus can't do a solo zatsu for 1 hour unless he's doing a devstream.
Thus Vedal avoids sullying the purity of Neuro's abstract nature. (but he still sabotages it with his laziness)

>>102535970
>food analogy
Why are you conceding?

>>102529206 (OP)
Most of you retards are some kind of miserable offspring of 2019-2020 Holotourists so I don't know why you even bothered putting 2016 there, but I respect the audacity.

>>102530106
lmfao

>>102535369
>that stream you didn't watch
Nice starting the conversation on the wrong foot, immediately going on the offense. I watched the stream, unfortunately. I say unfortunately because it was one of the worst streams I have ever seen.
>Most women are into love triangles and drama and cheating in fiction
I feel sorry for you if you genuinely believe this or had bad experiences with terrible women.
>Most don't think about the male character's feelings at all because porn is escapist fantasy and most women wish men would fight over them
Again, sorry you have such bad impression or idea of women. Is it some headlines that you read as a teenager, tv dramas and movies that you consumed that made you think this way? Or do you actually have bad luck with women?
>Look at fucking Twilight for fuck's sake.
Oh ok I guess it's the former...
>Marine has always said that cheaters are unforgivable IRL.
Yet she loves it in fiction, curious. There is no one who hates turds on the sidewalk but loves drawings of turds on the sidewalk.
Ironic that you brought forward fictional movies like Twilight as an argument and example for real life. I wonder if the irony is missed on you...

>>102536129
Nigger we were all on /jp/ that time

>>102536031
Vedal is an asshole, and the only reason people put up with his bullshit is because he created Neuro, and they are trying to ride her fame. He's not even funny.

>>102529565
Kayfabe used to mean something before Hololive. Hiring clout chasing camwhores from ninonico was a mistake.

>>102536129
fuck off faggot i've been watching since eilene and was ecstatic when aichan finally collabed with kaguya luna

>>102530653
Sounding retarded =/= kayfabe

>>102536221
>twilight was not popular with women and girls
Lmao, is this your argument? You have never talked to any women, anon.

>my mother is a whore :D
>I am an ace :D
>biboo says boku no pico!!! get it? little boy rape?
hahaa this is hilarious!!
hololive to the moon!!1

>>102534694
Emi Kuruma

>>102529206 (OP)
Remove the western vtubers and the problem will be fixed.

I was always a roommate poster

>>102533944
>Marine
>a virgin
lmfao

>>102535079
Considering the push toward merch sales, it's not surprising but you'd expect some tact behind it. Their tweets after the tariffs were shameless. The mask has been ripped off at this point and there's no looking past it anymore.
>>102535518
And that's why it's objectively better

>>102536242
>>102536487
Hey if you don't fall under that category then that's great. You know I'm right though if you've actually also been around this long, so don't be a bitch about it.

>>102531220
At least she lied about or at least didn’t mention it.

>>102529206 (OP)
Vtubing then
>I lie to myself
>Vtubing now
I don't lie to myself

Makes you think.

>>102536509
>Sounding retarded
ironic weeb

>>102533706
this but i play mobile idle games

>>102536487
I want to go back...

>>102536610
Oh you're more retarded than I thought.

>>102531411
I kinda don’t care anymore at least not as much this Nimi engagement opened my eyes to the illusion. The fans don’t matter the illusion can break at any time don’t invest.

>>102529206 (OP)
Yeah this is why I stopped watching and being invested. Feels like it's really time to just move on from this hobby.

>>102536221
>Ironic that you brought forward fictional movies like Twilight as an argument and example for real life.
That's not what I did at all, you brown, ESL trash.
Read it again, faggot. I brought up Twilight as an example of women's media that is extremely popular and contained an NTR love triangle.
Fiction is not reality. You're probably one of the same subhuman retards that think liking loli characters makes you a child molester. Eat shit and die, miscegenated human detritus.

>>102536782
vtubing then
> You are immersed in the content
vtubin now
> You think about the ropes behind the stage

>>102536221
>There is no one who hates turds on the sidewalk but loves drawings of turds on the sidewalk.
>people who like violent movies/videogames love watching people die in real life

>>102530798
shut the fuck up next time

>>102536774
ok yeah after making my post i realized you said "most" which is true, post-EN tards have always been the shitters that make up this board. my bad anon.
>>102536833
me too anon, me too.

>>102529206 (OP)
We have to go back

>>102536782
Vtubing is playing a character. Playing a character is an art that has existed for millennia since Ancient Greece. If vtubers cannot perform that art, then it's no longer a character, it's just a mask. And no, live streaming to talk about your vacation in the Caribbean for 2 hours is not a performance.

>>102536682
I'm surprised you thought it was a girl
>>102537140
Wasn't she very unhappy during this time?

>>102536902
How is this a defense of marine? You are basically saying she is same as those girls who like twilight for NTR content, proving my point that marine likes NTR content. And you are fucking retarded if you try to say "only in fiction" because there is no difference. Cope all you want dumb cuck.

>>102529726
based

>>102529206 (OP)
>become a smark
>ruin it for yourself
many such cases

>>102537215
>spoiler
yeah but i did enjoy the character at the time, so i have a lot of screenshots from back then

>>102530357
Marine and Laplus are alright. Matsuri is a whore however

>>102536994
That's a misconstructed argument
Violence in fiction is not the same as dying irl. You should know this. You dont have to do such mental gymnastics to try and counterargue my point.

>>102537361
Laplus is good but she's attatching to Narissa too much and Narissa is a ho too

>>102530622
You didn’t watch vtubers pre-2020

>>102530664
Male vtubers shouldn’t exist

>>102533627
I believe it's "a sense of humor".

>>102537361
Laplus is a herpies induced, chlamydia e-celeb whore with no talent, grifting hololive for clout.

>>102530858
kino

the only vtubers I watch are ones who were just regular streamers before getting a model so it's hard to relate to this

>>102537176
STANDING
ON THE EDGE
OF THE CRATER
LIKE THE PROPHETS ONCE SAID

>>102537197
Westfag vtubers are never about playing a character. They're just streamers wearing masks.

>>102537535
Still there, contrary to Chloe.

>>102530903
this

>>102537605
And that's why hololive can't be trusted.

>>102537603
And that's why it was doomed from the start.

>>102537603
That's because western women are narcissistic soulless monsters. They can't do anything right.

>>102537535
elaborate

Jokes on them, I only spend money on actual women when I go on dates

>>102537687
TRVTH

>>102537361
Marine is a shameless porn-addicted, NTR-loving, LGBT-supporting, anti-Japanese psychopath.

>>102537884
And that's why she's my oshi and I own all her doujins

>>102537222
>>102537387
>proving my point that marine likes NTR content
Yes, content. As in, media. That's what I said, you fucking idiot.
>And you are fucking retarded if you try to say "only in fiction" because there is no difference.
>a woman enjoying the drama of a love triangle is the same as her cheating IRL
Do you even realize how fucking stupid you sound? No seriously. It's clear that you're embarrassed that you lost this argument and are trying to save your pride by espousing the dumbest shit imaginable, but all it's doing is making you look even dumber. Fucking pathetic. You really actually stooped to the level of "liking something in fiction means you like it in real life". There's no way you actually believe that and so this all you just trying to save face.
Fucking pathetic.

>>102537884
This isn't /pol/ you retard, go back.

>>102530622
real

>>102529206 (OP)
good moment to move on
good as any

>>102538604
When boring filthy pigs like chibidoki get popular you know it's time to find a new hobby.

>>102529206 (OP)
The moment they start babbling about their personal life, I disconnect

>>102537974
Nice melty and cope.
You are so fucking dumb it hurts. There is no difference between NTR in reality and fiction. If they like it in fiction it means they would have loved it in reality. That's why they enjoy it in fiction, dumbass. They live vicariously through it. They self-insert as the characters. The fact alone that Marine not only likes NTR but had no shame or felt no guilt admitting it publicly on an official stream in front of all her gachikoi should raise a massive red flag for you. You are either a massive falseflagging fag or extremely delusional ichimi.
In case of the former kys YWNBAW lmao
In case of the latter wake the fuck up or keep believing Marine is le wholesome chungus lmao

>>102538716
>every lolicon is a pedo
>every gamer is a murderer

Calm down Jack Thompson. Go back to the 90s

>>102536682
Wait that's a dude? No wonder his design is so nice

>>102537387
>>102538716
Explain how it's a misconstructed argument.
Explain why someone who enjoys watching violence in media is not someone who enjoys watching violence IRL, but someone who enjoys dark themes in media or relationship drama wants to emulate those themes IRL.
You're completely inconsistent in your argument and so claiming that the rebuttal is misconstructed is both disingenuous and fallacious. You have no defense and your position is logically compromised.

>>102538889
>moving the goalpost
>strawman argument
You got nothing. Keep coping.

>>102538716
The only faggot here is you since you seem to enjoy getting ass raped in this thread so much by people pointing out how inconceivably stupid and low-IQ your arguments are.

>>102538920
>Explain why someone who enjoys watching violence in media is not someone who enjoys watching violence IRL
Why should I explain something I dont think is true in the first place?

>>102539107
No goalpost was moved. A comparison was made. You just do not understand how ridiculous your argument is and I attempted to show you by making a comparison.

You're just too retarded to understand it.

>>102529206 (OP)
That pretty much indie and small corpo nowadays.
>"wdym kayfabe, we don't do that shit here kek"

>>102539220
It was. You didnt show anything logical. Only a misconstructed idea that wasn't relevant. What's the point?

>>102539107
NTA, but pointing out your logical inconsistencies is not moving any goalposts nor constructing any strawmen.

>>102539143
uh oh melty
YWNBAW fag
keep seething

>>102539330
>he likes ntr manga so he must like ntr irl
>he likes violent video games so he must want to be violent irl

Are you genuinely too fucking stupid to understand these are the exact same arguments?

>>102539205
Then you admit that you believe that people who like watching violent media enjoy watching violence in real life.

>>102539334
Why are you samefagging? You lost so hard? With each reply you are just digging yourself deeper and deeper in shit. You don't even try anymore.

>>102539496
Good "troll" my dude, you epixxly 0wned him xD

>>102531234
Reminds me of Hatoba Tsugu, anyone else remembers that?

>>102539330
>misconstructed
Either you are too stupid to understand what this word means or you are too chickenshit to explain why his argument is misconstructed because you know that you are incapable of doing so.

>>102539417
Are you arguing that if someone likes violent movies for the violence alone they don't like it because they enjoy violence in real life too?

>>102529565
Name a single HoloJP that does not and has never talked about their real lives and activities outside of their character's kayfabe

>>102538920
The old boomers that watch crime dramas live out a fantasy of justice finally being served in a cruel and unjust world.
The sad lonely virgins that watch anime waifus pretending to be their girlfriend want that experience without putting in any effort to acquire it.

You're completely retarded to even try to move that goal post when the arena is /vt/.

>>102539451
It should be obvious shouldn't it? You believe otherwise?

>>102539703
Name a SINGLE one that has talked about a boyfriend.

>>102539596
I already explained >>102537387
Reading comprehension, cuck!

>>102529367
No, when kayfabe started taking over. We are living in the era of kayfabe.
Kitsuna Ai never did kayfabe, not even once. Kayfake is tongue in cheek duping, not acting. It's talking about your period pains with an anime girl mask on.

>>102539496
>multiple posts replying to yours less than 30 seconds apart
>samefagging
Are you new? Or is claiming this your impotent new strategy? Your confident facade has fallen and revealed your sheepish and conciliatory desperation.

>vtubers then
Sells a fantasy of real life anime girl
>vtubers now
Sells a boring egirl in anime skin


Also starting the tweet with "lore drop" is *chefs kiss*

>>102538716
Fiction and reality are different. Holy fuck you are a special brand of retard.

>>102539820
That's only one part of what the OP image is displaying

>>102540048
We told you to learn Japanese.

>>102530622
>how to out yourself as a zoomoid and/or a post 2020 holotourist in a single image

>>102529206 (OP)
Female browsers, add me on Discord.tag: jibunw00
if you're into vidya, anime, lolis, and all things artistic/creative, Whether it's Pokémon, Fate, Dragon Quest, limbus company, Danganronpa, Monster Hunter, Final Fantasy, Bravely Default, Fire Emblem,/m/ shows, Kemono, SMT, Mega Man, Sonic,3D SFM, Castlevania, Touhou, or series like monogatari, RWBY, Digimon, Disgaea, and beyond

vtubing then
>99% japanese
>it's all about being a virtual anime girl playing videogames and saying silly things

vtubing now
>more and more non-jp getting into it
>it's less about being a virtual anime girl and more about being a generic e-girl
>constantly posting irl selfies and body pics on twitter and spamming onlyfans links everywhere
>always begging for donations and doing subathons for money
>24/7 talking about real life shit and doing gfe for simps
>backstabbing whores behind the scenes trying to ruin other vtubers because it's all a competition for women

>>102529900
Unicorns in 2025 are such pathetic antisocial freaks they can't even engage with human beings one-way through a television screen.
Sad.

>>102540580
You are literally just (You) farming

>>102539987
How do you even reply to a retard like this? You think someone is retarded enough to believe those multiple replies within seconds were natural?
>Oh no I didn't know you can't post on multiple devices, different IPs, 4ch pass, etc.
Only someone like you would fall for something so desperate and retarded, fag.
>Your confident facade has fallen and revealed your sheepish and conciliatory desperation.
kek now wipe away the tears, mr Shakespeare. NTR is exactly the same between reality and fiction and Marine is a hoe.

>>102540580
We never wanted to engage with real human beings, retard, that's the whole point.

>>102529206 (OP)
you decided to look past the screen and the anime girl felt pressured to reveal it to everyone. you're at blame.

>>102532420
How many of those are still around?

>>102540146
A drawing of a turd is not a real turd yet only a shit lover would hang it on the wall.

>>102540146
>The words of a Westoid who doesn't know Japanese people themselves use lolicon to refer to people as pedophiles
And these people try to pull weeb rank

>>102539824
You literally explained nothing, retard.
Additionally, you contradicted your very post in >>102539748
Your argument is that you are too stupid to enjoy fictional media without wanting to emulate said media in your own life, and thus everyone else must be as stupid as you. And that's not even a strawman when you are literally speaking for others in >>102539712
People enjoy fictional media for all sorts of reasons. I also enjoy crime dramas sometimes and it has nothing to do with some unconsious desire for justice as you claim, but rather an appreciation for good writing and dialog, interesting cat and mouse games, mystery, good acting, etc.
Meanwhile your argument is that anyone who watches Breaking Bad wants to become a meth dealer. Your insistence is asinine and indefensible. You haven't supported a single one of your claims with even so much as a reasonable argument.
If you truly believe in what you are saying, then that means you are a brainlet that cannot differentiate between fantasy and fiction. It means you are a danger to society and should either be physically seperated from evryone else or killed.

>>102529206 (OP)
who was vtubing in 2016 other than kizuna ai?

>>102540897
*fantasy and reality

>>102540897
You are braindead. How is telling your dumbass that violence in movies is not the same as dying irl not comming through your thick skull? The argument is flawed.

>>102530622
The real Trvke Nvke was that they were women all along

>>102535856
>Game Grumps was good for 8 months
Ok

>>102533944
>virgins like marine
little boys all over Japan orgasmed in ptsd induced terror

>>102529206 (OP)
Man fuck the western sphere. Vtubing turned into a way for women to e-whore without having to be pretty enough to do it the regular way. And these bitches brought with them all the drama and bullshit. The second I saw vtubers getting popular over here, I knew it was over for the english speaking fandom. Shoulda learned Japanese...

>>102540897
mucho mucho texto that makeso no senso

>>102541024
Annoying orange

>>102541104
Your attempt at deflection doesn't go unnoticed.
You have admitted that you believe that people who enjoy watching violence in fiction enjoy watching real world violence. Your distiction between death and violence is irrelevant. Either argue in good faith or act like a nigger. Either way, there is no coming back for you. You've lost this discussion a dozen times already and you will continue to lose a myriad more.

>>102540580
We wanted to engage with a character. If we wanted to engage with a human being, we'd be watching regular streamers.

>>102540897
>appreciation for good writing and dialog, interesting cat and mouse games, mystery, good acting, etc.
And you would enjoy those things irl too. That's why you enjoy them in fiction. Same with NTR.
No need to move the goalpost to violence and killings to misconstruct the NTR argument.

>>102541503
>You have admitted that you believe that people who enjoy watching violence in fiction enjoy watching real world violence
Of course they do. You are retarded if you think otherwise.

>>102535856
>Two best friends was decent till the mid to late 10's.
That's because Liam came in (who sucked and was only good in short amounts) and the chemistry was all over the place.
Then he left, Matt started phoning it in and Woolie and Pat were carrying the channel. You know the rest.

>>102541503
He's clearly acting like a nigger

>>102530622
TRVTH NVKE
You have simply outgrown vtubers. You no longer have it in you to delude youself. Move on.

>>102540443
You forgot
>Pushing new merch every other week

>>102529206 (OP)
I hate twitch whores and clout chasers

>>102541730
And when Ryan died, Jeff lost a piece of his soul and Alex joined the gamer gate list and slowly pushed to scrub all the old humor off the site.

>>102541859
Samefagging won't help you. It's over. You realized you were stupid, your argument flawed and you lost. It's time to move on with a newly acquired wisdom.

>>102541574
>>102541666
No, faggot. I would not enjoy a murder mystery in real life. I would not enjoy having to deal with the criminal elements of society or risk my life being a detective or whatever else is depicted in crime dramas. That shit would be harrowing and stressful.
You are a fucking imbecile that is projecting your soulless and subhuman ineptitude and mindlessness onto other people. You are incapable of enjoying fiction and are probably severely autistic because you cannot imagine anyone enjoying anything for any reason other than to emulate it. That is absurd and completely unfounded, which is why you still haven't supported your position that people who enjoy violent fictional media enjoy real life violence. There is no evidence to suggest that whatsoever.
Calling someone else retarded while claiming a ridiculous, extremist, and unsupported fact is true is the peak of irony. An irony that is completely lost on someone who is as stupid, feckless, and cowardly as you.

>>102535058
real

>>102542172
See? You already moved the goalposts to negatives about a detective job. Not focusing anymore on the reasons why you like these crime shows in the first place. Can you really not see how dumb you are?

>>102541730
I knew tbfp was over when it became the chewie & fuckface show.

>>102542115
Is there a joke i'm missing or are we talking about a different group of people?

>>102542168
NTA. No matter how often you try to fallaciously try claim samefagging, you still think that people who watch Breaking Bad want to become meth dealers.

>>102542286
I kind of had a feeling it was over the moment Matt came to podcasts or LPs drunk off his face and was evidently the "number 3" of the group but when he wasn't there, you'd forget that he wasn't there.

>>102529206 (OP)
>becoming aware
>suffering
that's life

>>102542278
That's not moving goalposts. That's pointing out the absurdity of your argument.
Are you chinese? I cannot think of any other people that would be this incapable of understanding the appeal of fiction.

>>102535058
It's a peaceful life

>>102542366
>you still think that people who watch Breaking Bad want to become meth dealers
I don't think that, never claimed that and you know it. You using a strawman argument like that shows to everyone that you got nothing and you are desperate and so continue please.
>NTA.
kek

>>102535058
Eventually I realised that I just don't like vtubers lol. I was swept in it back when holomyth happened, but since then gravitated to picrelated content.
Turns out I don't actually want to hopelessly and one-sidedly fall in love with an e-girl who's wearing an anime avatar. Who would have guessed.

>>102541400
>Vtubing turned into a way for women to e-whore without having to be pretty enough to do it the regular way
It was always like this, or are you unaware of how many holo JPs are middle-aged and fat?
>And these bitches brought with them all the drama and bullshit.
It evidently was always there; it was just covered up. You don't get to live in a fantasy anymore.
>The second I saw vtubers getting popular over here, I knew it was over for the english speaking fandom.
You were an idiot to ever assume western women would subject themselves to eastern pseudo-slavery.

>>102542505
Moving the goalpost is not pointing out absurdity of an argument.
The point is ntr is the same between reality and fiction, if you like ntr in fiction it is because you like it irl.
You said you liked crime shows for interesting dialog, cat and mouse games, mystery. That's because you would enjoy those same things in real life too.
You then moved the goalpost to negatives about a detective job. Those negatives arent the reasons why you enjoy those shows so you bringing it up is pointless for the argument's sake.
The only absurdity you pointed out is your own reasoning.

If you're a real oldfags then you would've know the right vtubers to watch, no point in bitching about egirl with anime avatar but I doubt you people actually real oldfags, at most you're one of tourist who know AI from PewDiePie back then and only watch because of community TL subs, you're never a real OG fans just a secondary casual catching some hype during Kizuna Ai then never actually follow the industry

>>102542835
Let's also not forget that one of them does "special" work

>>102543608
yeah, for me

>>102542581
You claimed that people only watch fiction because they wish to emulate it. That is the crux of your argument.
Your claims have been as follows:
If you like fantasy violence, you like violence in real life.
If you like crime drama, it's because you want to see justice because of a perceived lack of it in real life (silence of the lambs is one of the highest rated crime dramas and there was no justice for Hannibal Lector's victims, btw).
If you like relationship drama in fiction, you want to cheat IRL.

All of these are vacuous, inane claims that you refuse to even attempt to support with any measure of objective fact. It is axiomatic from your proposition that those who watch Breaking Bad must want to become meth dealers or criminals.
You are a complete and utter lunatic and should be removed from society, either confined to a cell or a box in the ground.

>>102543007
>they only enjoy the parts of fiction that I choose
You don't get to pick and choose the aspects of what someone would want to replicate within your own fetid, twisted logic based on how convenient it is to your argument, you puerile clown. If someone enjoys relationship drama, and cheating is incidental to that, you would still claim they enjoy NTR. You are so full of shit and inconsistencies, it's astonishing that you were ever able to crawl out of your dysgenic village's mud hut and learn English.

>>102529206 (OP)
Return to video games, anime/manga or whatever. Stop giving these uninteresting women your time or money. Not even your time, just don't open their streams. Go play a game, go meet some new people online. Anything, just stop giving them attention.

>>102530664
Kayfabe is considered cringe by a large part of the western audience, they are discouraged from ever going deep on any lore or actual roleplaying. The people that have consistently hated vtubers and assumed they were just e-girls with an avatar were actually right all along, they get proven right by the day. Vtubers participate in the same exact kind of drama and general shit that normal streamers do, they're not different, it all blends in together now. You wouldn't give the time of day to a modern e-girl but if she puts on an anime avatar you're suddenly ok with it. Fucking why? why is that? it's nonsense.

>>102533464
She played it smart with her outrage bait because no one would have spent 30 seconds on her otherwise.

>>102543286
You are incredibly naive if you think any significant amount of people here were around back then.
Also, nearly every member of the shitenno have been caught up in relationship scandals or have graduated. Siro is the only one still around making content. Akari only streams like once a month on her new channel.
I'm not sure who your oshi is, but there's no point in bringing up other, smaller no-names from back then that no one watches. Especially here on this EOP centered board. I don't even really believe you that you were around back then, either btw. You're probably just a chinese that entered with Azur Lane or something and are trying to look down on EOPs in this thread. And don't get me wrong, they definitely deserve to be looked down on, but I doubt you actually know which are the "good ones".

>>102544623
>Kayfabe is considered cringe by a large part of the western audience, they are discouraged from ever going deep on any lore or actual roleplaying.

its the child voice the JP do

I watch and read fiction because I think it is fun to engage my imagination.

>>102544623
>Kayfabe is considered cringe by a large part of the western audience, they are discouraged from ever going deep on any lore or actual roleplaying.

kayfabe in vtubing doesn't mean you need to roleplay or have any lore lmao, kayfabe in vtubing means that you keep irl shit to a minimum and just be an anime girl png on the screen and not a fucking e-girl blogging about wanting to suck cock

>>102545300
Hmm... I don't know anon. That sounds like something someone who watched Lady and the Tramp because they must want to fuck dogs would say...

>>102530588
>play the role for a bit
>role gets attention
>"but it's me playing the role, all that attention should be for me!"
>break kayfabe

>>102543790
>You claimed that people only watch fiction because they wish to emulate it. That is the crux of your argument.
No it's not. Again I never said something like this. Show me where I said these exact words, faggot. You can't. You won't. You lost.
People enjoy things in fiction because they enjoy them irl. That is the crux of my argument, retard.

>>102530622
What's the opposite of a truth nuke? Well I'll just call it blatant lies.

>>102544336
>they only enjoy the parts of fiction that I choose
Who are you quoting? You chose those parts retard. You said that those are the things you enjoy crime fiction for.
>You don't get to pick and choose the aspects of what someone would want to replicate within your own fetid, twisted logic based on how convenient it is to your argument
Of course not.That's why you picked it.
>If someone enjoys relationship drama, and cheating is incidental to that, you would still claim they enjoy NTR.
No, not at all lmao but Marine stated outright that she loves NTR, (not drama, not movies with it, but specifically NTR in a big label), then yes I'm gonna claim she likes NTR, retard.

>>102533627
his past

>>102535058
KING

>>102545203
>You are incredibly naive if you think any significant amount of people here were around back then.
I mean, exactly why I don't believe it and I said at most they are just people who know vtuber because Ai was viral back then but never actually into vtuber just a casual secondary then fuck off when there is no community TL anymore, also I don't care about relationship scandal or whatever, I'm not unicorn and start following vtuber closely because of music since I'm a vocaloidfag.

>>102545849
>People enjoy things in fiction because they enjoy them irl
That is nearly equivalent to what I quoted you as saying except that you are claiming something even more extreme. You are saying that people who perform violent acts in games enjoy performing violent acts in real life.

>>102529206 (OP)
Trueee

>>102547012
>also I don't care about relationship scandal or whatever, I'm not unicorn
Then your idea of what is a "good vtuber" is irrelevant to the discussion, is it not? Considering this thread is about people discussing a relationship scandal, if that didn't matter to you at all, you wouldn't have felt the need to call her an "egirl with an avatar".

>>102529206 (OP)
based comic, doesn't use any written words so it can be understood by anyone. hope it spreads to the JP side.

>>102529206 (OP)
Brvtal.

>>102535058
>anon don't you want to check ou-
>no, i go where i please
BASED KING

>>102547681
If someone enjoys doing a violent act in a game that's because they enjoy (or would enjoy but superego stops them) doing that violent act irl. You disagree?

>>102529726
They talk about irl stuff too, I think y'all suddenly have really high expectations of streamers that your oshi hasn't been meeting anyways. Why the sudden change in /vt/?

>>102530858
I mean it would suck from a pacing and immersion standpoint but at least the story would be interesting. Certainly better than hearing some hoe rambling about her latest 1st class trip to Japan paid for by her simps, or hearing how she bought a house with merch earnings in an economy where most people have to spend big chunks of their income on rent.

>>102548428
>in an economy where most people have to spend big chunks of their income on rent.
why are you even spending on vtubers then, thirdie?

>>102529206 (OP)
Get a life, homo

>>102532527
Only man know how to be in character. Women get jealous even of their own alter egos and than try to erode them.

>>102530622
trvke

>>102547975
This thread isn't just talking about relationship scandal, it's about vtuber not maintaining kayfabe, OP picture doesn't really make sense either if the problem is not bringing your personal relationship on stream then there are many of vtuber who didn't do that regardless they are in relationship or not, if it's no relationship at all then even old vtubers have their own relationship rumor/scandal, I merely pointing out that OP and others are just larper and only shitposting due to recent drama.

>>102540165
So you can't.

>>102533886
Am I retarded or is this image incomprehensible beyond the obvious implication of the thread it's in

>>102529565
JP can't be beat. The EN purge was healthy for the industry.

>>102536031
He was kinda funny when he was just a turtle but I feel like he keeps injecting himself into everything. No I don't want to see you, just let neuro do her thing.

>>102535388
Yeah but with a cute anime girl at the corner of the screen, talking in a cute voice.

>>102533627
She wants a family.
That post is 100% accurate if she keeps streaming

I think I'm gonna quit vtubing for good bros

>>102553449
took you long enough lmao

>>102529246
FPBP, wake up

>>102530622
Thanks for fixing it.

>>102553449
>quit long ago
>now just here to see the world burn
Be free

>>102530106
I am the husbant in this situation

>>102529206 (OP)
sounds like a you problem lil bro lil bitch

>>102540443
Twitch whores did this

>>102549345
>>102545676
I miss Olivia

>>102553449
>>102553721
See you tomorrow anons

>>102535388
you should find funnier vtubers.

>>102554488
Reading comprehension, ESLchama

>>102554567
Wrong post or ESL calling others ESL?

>>102554741
Reading comprehension, ESLchama
You can do it

>>102554907
Ah so the latter.

>>102555032
You're a worthless retard

>>102555123
Your assumptions are wrong, retardchama.

>>102530622
2016:
>teenager
>no responsibilities
>innocent about the darkness of the world
2025:
>adult
>no longer innocent about the darkness of the world
>regrets wasting the last 9 years on frivolous entertainment

>>102529565
yeah it does you just cant understand them

>>102529206 (OP)
Since the thread is almost going to die, I just want to say this has been a golden thread and 10/10 comic OP. Encapsulates everything I've felt about vtubing except the right happened to me around late 2022/2023. It should be spread around everywhere. As for all my fellow brothers here, I would recommend removing yourself from this hobby and finding other things that make you happy, preferably things that you yourself can do, not watching other people do things. Create something, work on something that makes you feel proud and accomplished. Don't live like this anymore, don't live in the shadow of other people's success.