/BIG/ Naturals Edition
>What is /BIG/?/BIG/ is a thread to find, share, and discuss the biggest indie vtubers who have a 3-month average of 1000 viewers or more.
>Can I shill my 999 CCV oshi here?No. 4views or higher only.
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/big/ NEWS
Momos love Geckos
>>102556020 (OP)My wife's big naturals in the OP!
>>102555360>Mint was friends with Pia>saw what happened to her and potentially the others>was waiting on some big announcement that never came>what pushed her to cry was what she saw this morning>"I think everybody 'from heaven' is cursed"Mint must've seen what happened with Kuro and Michi, it hurt to hear her feel so bad for the other ex-corpos. 2025 has not been kind to any of them...
>>102556121Yeah, as onaholes
>>102556200 (me)
Wait I meant the momos are onaholes
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>>102556331>Laimu titsyes please
>>102556164Gunrun deserves to be burned alive
>>102556331>love gunrundoes he know...
>>102556331>charity love gunrunoh the irony
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bow down
>>102556456Hearing both Michi and Mint crying today was hard on me. Henya is gonna make me bawl too
>>102556456he deserves to be stoned to death
>>102556735It's a rough day
Is this true /big/? Do you like girls over 30?
>>102556735i will goes ballistic when this happens.
pink cat a based panini enjoyer
>>102556735everything about this is fucked
>>102556735mint didn't cry
Nyan going on a crashout rant about how shit gunrun's streaming backpack is
>>102556456>>102556788Crucifixion is better; agony for days sometimes weeks.
>>102556921Is the backpack really that bad or is she just venting over how mad she is over everything?
At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if VShojo would actually somehow owe me money too.
>>102557108If you shit talked Vei on here you could probably have a decent argument for backpay atp
>>102557000Impalement would suffice, too
>>102556910Anon did we watch the same stream? You can check
>>102556829They are the best.
>>102557299yes and she didn't cry, she sounded sad but that's a different thing.
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>>102557469For me it's Mal
>>102556020 (OP)GEEGA'S BIG NATURALS!
>>102556124sloppy sexo
sloppy love
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>>102557482I don't know if there's a meaningful difference between that that tearing up but alright, anon
It sure made me cry though
day 2 of begging my oshi to say she left so i can post her /big/ tits
>>102557928Laimu is an idol now?
>>102558059If Snuffy is an idol then fuck it everyone is an idol
>>102558148doom and gloom soon
>>102558059always has been
>>102558148henya in da biggie?
I will now post my favourite gif to lighten the mood.
Henya is officially /out/ and VShojo also didn't pay her.
are we /BIG/ chest or a /small/ chest lovers here
>>102558721This is so wild to me. I do not know a single person that would keep working without getting paid.
>>102558770It's not called /small/
>>102558721WHERE'S THE MONEY GUNRUN?
Gunrun deserves love and compassion
>>102558790>I do not know a single person that would keep working without getting paid.Apparently vtuber employed there is in that category for some reason. Even the ones who left years ago were getting fleeced out of their money.
Henya
>and I will still be your little kiddo
wtf... I'm a dad now...
Henya merch hasn't shipped
oof
>>102558770I appreciate all sizes of the feminine form (including twinks)
It seems vshojo management never paid their talents.
Where is the money?
Did they gamble BOTH the charity earnings and months of wages or something?
I wonder if Henya will go back to pikamee or if she will create another vtuber.
>>102558721>>102558754I wish the circumstances of her becoming /big/ were better
>>102558975Running a startup is expensive. Usually you find a path to profitably or just go out of business. Some people just commit fraud instead.
>>102558907somewhere in a singaporean bank
gunrun deserves to have his kneel caps broken
i just want these animu woman to be happy...
>>102559095>Running a startup is expensive.no, you just expand as much as possible and then you sell it to some big fat company that will end up sitting on the losses. Gunrun just didn't sold fast enough.
>>102556020 (OP)Someone redpill me on Geega's tits, are they really that big?
bye, bye, henya, see you next time
Vshojo's business model raised my eyebrows but even in my wildest dreams I didn't expect the sheer volume of financial mismanagement. I imagined they were financing with debt, which would've unironically been a smarter and way more shrewd and elegant manner of fraud.
>>102559342No? You just raise more rounds. Think the last company I worked at was like one week away from my paycheck banking. Made my stock options near worthless but the RSUs were nice
>>102559561I never said it out loud, out of respect for the fans, but I was always suspicious of how Vshojo was run
>>102559561vshojo's business model is literally too good to be true, and it was proven that it was
i hope all of the ex-vshojos can overcome this
>>102559759Honestly, with playing around with debt, inflation alone could've made it work. It's pure gambling at that point, but surely gambling beats whatever the fuck was going on.
>>102559561I always expected them to just run out of money and close one day. I never expected that they would try to manipulate members to stay, pit them against eachother, steal their merch, sponsor, and charity money, then do everything to paint them as the bad guys when they leave. They were much better at PR than Nijisanji to be able to keep everything hidden for so long.
>>102559561I've been saying it for years. I didn't think they would take money from talent/charity but well unfortunately I was wrong
>>102559883I guess Nijisanji should have used more NDAs
can someone explain what exactly happened? money laundering? fraud? or did vshojo literally just ran out of money and did nothing about it?
>>102560040Probably ran out of money + some "creative accounting"
>>102560040ran out of money so they decided to steal from the members and charity
>>102559561I always assumed is shit went south, they would just slowly bleed money, tighten their belt, and make cuts, until they couldn't afford to keep the lights on. Hell I also assumed all the tech they used was just from Gunrun's backpack company so that wouldn't have been an issue at least, as well as using his earnings from that prop up Vshojo if needed. I never would have begun to assume that they were basically running a fucking ponzi scheme with everyone's merch and sponsorship incomes that would eventually implode with half a mill "misappropriated" from a charity. This is fucking nuts! If Niji is a text book case for how not to handle HR and PR, Vshojo is now one for how not to handle company finances.
>>102560040all of the above
>>102559561A mix of these.
>>102559883>pit them against eachother,>paint them as the bad guys when they leavewhat? when did that happen?
>>102560040A mix of these.
>>102560184The thing that confuses me is that this shit has been happening for years, like basically since around the start of the org.
Why did any of them bother staying as long as they did? Especially after the first exodus
nyan said to support all the ex-vshojo people
>>102558168Laimu's 3d model is so good
>>102560383Going off of every account today, its seems like Vshojo was making sure to pay some people on time to build up trust, especially if they were just signed on after Nyan, Vei, and Silver's departure, then later started being delinquent with their payments. Might have also rotated around who got payed on time. If Nyan was telling the truth, then the talents literally were also isolated through those NDA's from discussing business with each other so they wouldn't' realize a game of payment musical chairs was going on.
>>102560300Nyan and Vei basically confirmed that VShojo prevented members from talking to each other about contract and financial stuff. And also prevented them from talking to current members about their time at VShojo after leaving
>>102560579she's staring at my soul, that's hot
I hope that after Nimi came out with her upcoming marriage that other streamers with relationships build up the courage to admit to theirs as well.
>>102560839Yes waiting for Geega to announce her relationship
I hope Peo's bronchitis gets better soon.
>>102560839Would be cool if it's more normalized, but it already was getting a bit like that in the EN sphere anyways. Marriage reveal would be rarer since statistically, most streamers don't even get that far because they spend most of their time indoors. Even the relationship rates are negatively impacted. Geega said something similar one stream, but studies have been done
no pink cat stream tomorrow
Nyan was going to raid Henya if Henya was still live.
>>102561180Pink cat good.
Wait why is my pink cat different? Fuck sake ignacio.
>Thundering outside right now, where I live
Dreadful day
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>>102560561>>102560575It's sort of surprising that not one talent (past or present), artist, merch store etc leaked a peep to anyone for months or even years. Even a whisper of "VShojo is not paying their talents/artists/merch" would be a massive bomb in the vtubing community. And considering some of this sounds straight up illegal that would make damn near any NDA unenforceable, no? The entire situation is wild
>>102561190but what if they were bigger?
>>102561336No, some people did speak out. They were shat on as divas and schizos.
>>102560839will she drop the kayfabe?
>>102561430https://files.catbox.moe/nmyxjp.png
>>102561315Thunder is lovely though.
>>102561567you are lovely anon.
>>102561567I normally would agree, but where I currently live, the power usually turns off because of it
>>102561561too freaky for da club
>>102560178Whos chat is that?
>>102561430https://litter.catbox.moe/fyqzbjylj9mt267z.png
Watching the band practice stream that Numi has going on to unwind, been a hard day of reveals. And still things aren't over
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>>102561407That's just people shitposting though. It sounds like Gunrun is an unironic sociopath and had everyone scared of being sued but even still nobody made any public statements about getting blatantly robbed? I guess I don't want to believe that anyone involved especially Zen would knowingly let other people get scammed instead of bringing this to light. We'll probably never get the full 100% story but everything about this blows
>>102562202I'm not talking about random anons /here/. A lot of people talked against Vshojo with things that seem accurate with more information, but people generally dismissed them. I'm even talking about people who questioned Vshojo's reputation with their own face. There were dissonant voices, they were just dismissed. To be fair, they had nothing to show for their claims.
>>102562442The most common way of classifying blood types.
I can't believe that pphead did all of this
>>102562442look up the omegaverse
>>102549994So anyone who was in pink cat chat was there any toxic between them?
>>102562481New here since my oshi became /big/ just recently
Is posting cats here cool even if their owner isn't /big/
>>102562731THE MOOSE IS LOOSE
>>102562731Love my moose wife
>>102562738pphead transcends all rules on posting
>>102562738the cats are always one digit larger
>>102561774I am a retard, ofc it was. Thank you anon
>>102562731nothing will change
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>>102562731https://files.catbox.moe/13gbpx.jpeg
imagine Zen with her big fat juicy tail.....
>>102557943I'm sad
but also sex
>>102562921that already exists
>>102563012Zen is a /flip/er
Hope Haruka finds it her to stream consistently again. Goated streamer
>>102563356>Goated streameryou mean Moosed
she is a moose
not a goat
get your animals right
>>102563420I'm sorry I won't make that mistake again.
Reindeered streamer. You literally cannot disagree
>>102563420but she is the throat goat
>>102562738i love pph, /big/ in my heart
michi read piapiufo's fortune
I very clearly remember Jabroni_Mike's worried face when he learned that Geega had joined Vshojo. What did he know?
>>102563940he knew it was too good to be true
>>102563907Crazy how accurate it was
>>102563940His gut feeling told him that Vshojo was a scam
>>102563940Vinny flashbacks
I don't know I'm just shitposting he seems like a nice guy
>>102563940he's old italian mobster stock he can smell a racket a mile away
>>102561472God I hope so, I've been annoyed about that one for over a year and a half since I found out about it.
>>102560965i hope she gets better soon too
I apologize to Layna for doubting her. I approve.
>bao keeps staring at my from under my blankets - Shylily
>>102556020 (OP)Go show this on the geeg discord and I bet you'll get banned lol
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>>102556278You said what you said.
https://x.com/dokibird/status/1947855575167209755
>>102569090Seeing the indies organize some redebut for them would be cute
>>102569090dokibird is based
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>>102567778https://files.catbox.moe/803jlo.png
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>>102570999while her husband watches
>>102539389Everyone shits on VeiBae, that's not new
>>102556514Holy - now this would get me to watch her
minto stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgde3wglIJ4
Mint was signed to Vshojo. She wanted to do an idol gen with them.
>Mint crying too
VSHOJO HATE
>>102571146>only done two Mata pieces Shame
>maybe something will happen for me one day
uuuuuuuu i hate corpos
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[Doob News]
she dooby back tomorrow
>>102574128she dooby avoiding recent drama
>>102574251inb4 Dooby: My experience with VShojo
>>102574395Doob: Silvervale said dont do it bro
Never giving corpos the benefit of doubt ever again, just sticked around that shitshow for my oshi. But never again.
>>102576721Only reason /big/ is quiet about this is because everybody is talking like mad on every other relevant thread. The amount of /big/ affected by these two days goes beyond words. Mint did not fucking deserve this pain. None of them did.
>>102572395>>102576721>go to sleep>wake up and see thisfuck... gunrun deserves to be tortured to death
>>102576883everyone here is mostly likely asleep rn, i would hate to wake up and see the news like how i just did
And with that, Shondo's card is finished. Thank you to everyone who took the time to contribute
https://x.com/anonacopacabana/status/1947901564380692545
Full quality version:
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>>102578660Yesterday, I woke up to kson getting some answers in, however small they may have been. My oshi came up later, trying her best to keep the mood up and I relaxed after seeing the support she got.
Literally every other announcement has had me in tears. It's about to be 4am and I think the only reason I haven't slept yet is because I don't want to wake up to more.
>oh, i'll get some rest after a long day, after hearing the chuubas i love cry and be sad, tomorrow is a new day, and everything that needs to be said was said, good thing no one else was affected by thi->>102572395>
>>102579263things are looking dire
>>102579263ngl, i cried when michi and henya had to address this, now mint? i can no longer cry, i'm just filled with rage, all those who managed at vshojo deserve to burn for all of the horrible things they have done
>>102579383>>102579442Terrifying feeling. Who knows how many others have been hurt. The type of shit Gunrun did and how he made friends with them beforehand and everything leaves me shaking in anger
>>102579502Pia and Beri right before Mint was especially cruel. I cried at Henya but at least she's stronger now and made her dream. So many of these "hidden vshojos" got theirs dashed.
>>102572395[spoiled]I hate myself for ever /in/posting, I fell like and absolute retard for ever supporting Vshojo, despite the warning signs being there. I fucking hate myself for even defending the org. I feel so stupid, like I have been made a fool of all these years. Blindly following a brand. I just hate myself right now. I fell like I'm going to throw up. I'm disgusted and disappointed in myself. I fucking hate myself. Why was I such a fool?[/spoiler]
>>102579832I'm not even going to bother deleting this. I'm just going to drown in self-loathing for bit and take a break from here for awhile. I'm just tired of it all
>>102579675gunrun deserves the worse things to happen to him, if it was announced that he had died rn i would jump with joy and piss on his grave
>>102579927know you are a loved brother, we all have some foolish moments, good thing all the talents who are lovedare gonna still be around
>>102579675everything is just so frustrating, none of these girls deserve to be played and manipulated like this, fuck justin ignacio, may justice come raining down on him without mercy
>>102579832>>102579927take it easy, anon, we all have been played
>>102579927just relax, hindsight is 2020
>>102579988I can't enjoy that feeling knowing that the girls would be traumatized if anything of the sort happened. I hope justice reaches him but I don't expect it. Better to focus on helping others heal.
>>102580078Take a break if need be. Don't let it get to you
>>102579832Everyone got conned. I don't think anyone expected it was this bad.
>>102572395>>102576721Oh, let me get this straight
>Minto has been in Vshojo (contractually) for over a year (something I speculated and kept to myself) because over a year ago (early in her indie career), she was lonely and in a vulnerable place>Minto was supposed to debut on the JP side of Vshojo in an idol group (separate from the one Beri, Pia, etc were in)>The debut got pushed back, and now the plans/ideas she had with them are goneAm I correct, and are there any other details I'm missing?
>>102581231pretty much spot on
>>102581231She's also owed money. But yeah
>>102581231This feels like that one Yakuza 2 plot point but with secret vshojos in /big/
>>102581231you are correct
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>>102579087good job shondophrenics! I like the one with olivia :)
the timing isn't the best with all the bad news and sad vibes but
snuffy swimsuit debut this sunday
https://x.com/snuffyowo/status/1947867318605820151
Big week. Some would say the biggest.
>>102582085guess I'm not jacking off for a few days
I've always got bad vibes from Vshojo, I've never said anything about the org out of respect for the fans of the talents, whenever someone was /in/posting about Laimu, Snuffy, or Doki being /in/, my stomach would turn because I knew deep down the Vshojo was fishy, I would get slightly defensive whenever they were said to be /in/, I dreaded the thought of them joining, I've even kept my speculation of Minto being /in/ because I hated that it could possibly be true, knowing that if that was somehow the case it was going to affect her negatively, and I was right
>>102582187You don't want to nut 10 seconds after her starting soon screen ends, do you?
>>102582085sniffy is here to brighten up the mood a bit
>>102582261it's an accidental blessing that snuffy never managed to join vshojo
>>102582268If I do then so be it, that racc's rack deserves every drop I can muster. I'll just be ready for the second and third time
>>102582261i am just glad snuffy didn't get in, i know people make fun of her for "missing out" on her opportunity to do so, but i am very happy she didn't
>>102582085Speaking of swimsuits, is Rain /big?
https://x.com/RainhoeVT/status/1947918583650259118
>>102582913yes, rain is /big/
>>102561663same here, except if you have any electronics connected they all burn too when it hits a power line.
>>102582880I'm gonna crack that code
>>102582268I don't think there was ever any hope of avoiding that when she's getting this outfit with that succubus shortstack body
>>102582898Who would've thought that her getting so high off her ass that she misses the deadline to hand in her application would come around and save her raccoon butt in the end
>>102583663raccoon luck saved her from vshojo
>>102583663she wasnt high, the application period was during the time she got extremely sick, and they let her submit a late application anyway given the circumstances
>>102582085Nice, I look forward to it
Getting hammered on COCK while watching VOD with featuring Laimu's big naturals
>>102583769She said she got sick because of constantly getting high. Don't know enough about medicine to check if that adds up, but its what she said
>>102574128she dooby back tomorrow
>>102572395>>102576721this mother fucker justin needs to be merc'd
>>102578660>i would hate to wake up and see the newsthats me what shit morning
https://youtu.be/t-ol7eGaHZ4?t=399
It's a drama video and I don't mean to comment on it in general, just wanted to post that timestamp to say that if you make soap and sponsor geega you get to call her sweetheart
It should have been me
>>102579263i dont watch kson anymore but i did tune into her in streams when she was in holo i have mad respect for her seeing her like that brought me back to the days when the chinese were hating on her the faggot justin needs to be hanged for this shit and dont even get me started on henya and mint because im already angry as it is
>>102581231other than than the money yes youre correct
>>102584236>while watching VOD with featuring Laimu's big naturalslink?
>>102581231After she did merch with Mata and was weirdly the only indie in this maid Cafe event (there is even an image of her piloting a robot surrounded by cutouts of all the girls) I thought for sure she was /in/. But after months of her not debuting and not really having frequent collabs with the girls I wrote it off as VShojo and Mata just being nice and helping her get back on her feet. Later when it was discovered that the backend of her store was through VShojo, she had so much success without VShojo at that point I just assumed it was another minor thing VShojo decided to help her with. I swear 80% of the indie scene was under an NDA not to disparage the company, so it really was easy to just buy into the idea of VShojo helping just to be nice and maybe gain a little extra good will. They did such a good job of hiding that things were rotten behind the scenes. Even Holos and Nijis let things slip when things were going poorly in their respective companies, but Nyan, Vei, and Silver were only allowed to make it seem like they left over money. Even Kiara heavily praised VShojo's business model at one point. https://youtu.be/u5pj1wqi7oI?&t=57
Somehow the VShojo girls were able to say even less negative stuff about their company than vtubers who didn't even own their IPs?!? VShojo was the only corpo I ever watched and I was heavily invested in it. After all this I'm never watching another corpo again.
>>102584865Literally any VOD?
>>102584701hearing moistcritical say geega made me burst out laughing and it's 3 am and my family probably hear me laughing like a retard, faq u lol
>>102584865any monster hunter outfit vod
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deq4xYMGR_U
chibs
>>102584960never trust corpos
>>102584960I know it may seem a bit schizo, I always suspected something was wrong with Vshojo, it was my gut feeling that Vshojo was hiding something dark
>>102584960>Even Kiara heavily praised VShojo's business model at one point.i like wawa but shes not the brightest tool in the shead
>>102584960we were all bamboozled
https://www.twitch.tv/onigiri
french food making
>>102586541I kind of want VShojo to just fade into a bad memory now. I hate learning about how they hurt more and more vtubers every day.
>>102585101there's a new chib in town
>>102586541wehhhhh i love you minto, i know you wil overcome this
>>102587130same, here brother
Henya still gets to keep her manager. That's a huge relief. As long as she has a manager I don't think things will be hard for her as an indie. She also gets to keep her merch and sponsor money now, so things will probably be even better for her.
>>102588424>revenue all goes to henya! me! that's good to know
>>102588424does michi get to keep hers?
>>102588797Afaik yes, or at least they're working towards it
>>102578370I want to be the reason Layna's butthole is bleeding
dya has been live for four minutes and italian hag chatblin anon has not posted, washed up...
>>102589025we've all been going through it this week
>>102588969please don't cuck me bro...
Italian hag love
https://www.twitch.tv/dyarikku
>>102589054sorry nimi's husband, you gotta share
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Mint gives me your oshis oshi vibes.
>>102589522Does that make Henya your oshi's oshi's oshi?
>>102589553sorry but that tapir pus is to good
>>102590058I take 3 cinnamon buns, an apple pie, 2 cherry pies and 5 glazed donuts. please.
>>102590198I have some pink donuts. Take them or leave them.
>>102590198big smoke in da biggy
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>>102590214I need to grow
>>102589185>>102589025I was busy god damn it
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