Thread 102556502

Holo is the only good corpo right?

>>102556502 (OP)
like 3 years ago she mentioned this in a member stream and i posted it in /#/ back when it was holofag central and they all flipped out and told me i was lying

>>102556502 (OP)
>Holo pays you what they contractually agreed to pay you
>Vshojo doesn't pay, embezzles your pay and your charity

>>102556502 (OP)
they stick to their word, I don't know if the contracts are good or bad for the talents but they honor them. that's the difference between a real company and a guy that made his money dropshipping and trading crypto. but passing value judgement is a waste of time

>>102556502 (OP)
0 attempted suicides
0 dollars and 0 cents stolen from charity
being a good vtuber corp doesn't seem to be a very high bar, but it is what it is.

>>102556502 (OP)
she's a total retard. How the fuck a corpo get their monthly income if it's not from the talents? and how the fuck a corpo supposed to pay other department salary without that monthly income?

>>102557696
merch makes money. gunrun just had to spend less.

>>102556502 (OP)
She said in Holo that they could negotiate for better cuts in Holo and went out of her way to defend Cover so this is obviously about another corpo. Take your pick on whether it’s Phase or Niji or another small corpo

>>102556502 (OP)
She would be a 4k-5k shitter now at most if she stayed in Hololive anyways.

>>102557861
>>102556772

>>102556502 (OP)
>vshojo turns out to be awful
>kson reflexively attacks hololive
She doesn't really seem like the hero of this situation to be honest.

>>102556502 (OP)
nah holo is fucked. 2 of your biggest competition is goin down the shitter? its only a matter of time till they get complacent

>>102559184
Not like she should have any allegiance to holo in the first place when they threw her under the bus to please the chinks. All these companies are trash and you guys are retards for sucking corpo cock

>>102556502 (OP)
>other corpos: you get a revenue split
>vshojo: "lol you get jackshit" and steals from your charity
but the other corpos are the problem somehow.

>>102559352
They literally axed their whole Chinese branch for her sake.

>>102557857
>merch makes money
but le 2%??

>>102559352
>trew the retard under the bus
>literally kills the entire chink branch
>the retard left anyway because MUH CREATIVE FREEDOM
>leaving Fubuki and the other to clean up her mess
Fuck off

>>102557857
the fact that they had to stole the charity money for day-to-day cost and not paying the talents said otherwise.

>>102556772
>>102556502 (OP)
I understand english language is difficult anon, but you shouldn't sperg that hard.
She is literally talking about leaving a company and KEEPING your IP, which isn't the case with Cover, since they own the IP in the first place and they won't let the talent keep it when they leave.

Kson LITERALLY said that financially she was very happy with how Cover treated her.
It's almost like there aren't just 2 vtuber companies and she was referring to other ones, albeit I understan it's a very complex concept to grasp.

>>102559352
You fucking retard. Hololive closed down their entire Chinese branch in support of her and their talents.

And then she left anyways. She glazed the fuck out of VShojo and how it was a family and how great being indie was and "Talent Freedom".
Of course, this "Talent Freedom" was just doing facecam and gunpla streams.
She left the biggest VTuber company in the world for Vshojo. And that was her own decision.

>>102559332
>If you win too hard, it means you're going to lose

>>102556772
>like 3 years ago she mentioned this in a member stream and i posted it in /#/ back when it was holofag central and they all flipped out and told me i was lying
There is likely a lot of questionable shit that goes on at Hololive and they didn't have a wave of 7 graduations because they company was improving. I doubt that Yagoo is evil like Riku but he did seem indifferent to most of the girls and there was only a few of them that actually knew him. The way Gura responded to the Yagoo question a week before her graduation strongly implies that she did not get along with the CEO.

>>102556502 (OP)
>not wanting to lose the ip, wouldn't be ableto complain, the issue wouldn't surface
Damn, she's out here saying other corpo tubers are "held hostage" by contracts. Not like the other vshojo weren't beholden by NDAs and shit.

>>102557554
just stolen from plenty of contractors which caused a huge scandal and was all over national news but ok

>>102556502 (OP)
Unironically yes.
Anybody who believes otherwise is retarded. Hololive girls
>Get access to state of the art 3D studios
>Get 0% loans from Cover with multiple payment plans to repay them (with holos even going "lmao even if I can pay for a song why wouldn't I just get a loan from them?")
>Get sponsorships that pay in the thousands to tens of thousands due to their brand image
>Get paid a salary on top of SCs and merch cuts, not including the aforementioned sponsorships (and if you design the merch yourself, you get a larger cut of the profit)
>Literally toss free shit at the holos. Mori asked for "some cards" from the holoTCG and got like 30 boxes ($1800 worth of product). When Mori asked for some more cards to open, they tried giving her 100 boxes for free until Mori stopped them and said she'd pay normally
>The CEO (Yagoo) has a dedicated timeslot tucked away where the hololive girls can complain to him in person about anything. This has been so good (or bad?) that ex hololive managers found on Glassdoor complained that the talents have far too much power
>Assistance with acquiring connections to songmakers and artists for projects
>Assistance with vetting charities and handling special merch for them
All with the caveat that Cover owns the model you use.
The only negative thing that can be said about Cover is that they require talents to pay their own way to and from Japan and buy their own rigs, but even then they handle finding apartments for them for their stay (including rent payment). By this point, Hololive almost reminds me of Dethklok where every Hololive girl has their own Charles to remind them not to do some stupid shit.

>>102560012
Straight up misinformation huh
congrats fellow scammer and thief

>>102556502 (OP)
Hololive is treated as the holy grail vtuber job for a reason

>>102559850
he's not totally wrong, Intel vs AMD is the proof. Intel stomped AMD so hard two decades ago they got complacent and released shitty 4 core processor for years and got away with it until AMD suddenly released Ryzen and took the lead. The only thing that keeps them afloat is their Xeon. No one is sane/stupid enough to recommend Intel desktop CPU nowadays

>>102559880
>I doubt that Yagoo is evil like Riku
The fact you're saying this shit is more than enough to prove that his fake "best girl" pr image is doing wonders on you.

>>102559332
Holo is the WWE just after they bought WCW

>>102560094
not anymore. indie is the way to go

>>102557554
>0 attempted suicides
Anon...

>>102556502 (OP)
*phase

>>102559880
a lot of fucked up stuff also happened out in the open. everyone joked about cover constantly amending the rules during the asacoco days but that was a real thing. the company literally changed the rules several times to target one person in particular. had to have fucked with her head after a while. it's entirely possible that they gave her a fucked up contract just to push her out.
>I doubt that Yagoo is evil like Riku
a lot of people said that about gunrun. he was known as one of the nicest guys in the industry.

>>102560082
>drama for thee, but not for me
lol lmao

Yagoo is the p.diddy of vtubing and forces the talents to have 3d concerts to be bound to hololive with debts, with overpriced 3d lives that would cost less than a few thousands in a normal company.

>>102560204
The path is Holo then indie, but you gotta farm Holo for a bit first

>>102560316
LOL
LMAO
Scammer and thief

>>102557554
Shion openly admitted to having suicidal thoughts when she was in hololive though. Hololive didn't let her not stream, she was medically forced not to and hololive was forced to comply because she could have gone nuclear.

>>102560292
He was a nice guy, not a *nice guy*.

>>102560204
The only ones who say this are the ones who don't know how vtubing works. Probably the same ones who think Gura leaving was massively impactful to Cover's bottom line despite her not streaming for like two years prior. Hell, Cover has made the most profit in its history these last few quarters.

>>102560052
what's this, holofag?
>>102560423

>>102560599
What? Are you implying that Hololive should've ignored Shion's mental instability?

>>102560052
I think this is probably what most mean by good experiences and bad experiences, I'm sure it's all true to some extent.

>>102560674
Mental health doesn't exist, bro.

>>102560175
Mori is the 2015 Roman reigns of HololiveEN

>>102560423
What about all the other members that did the same as Shion? Did they all have the "no stream" certificate from the doctor?

>>102560908
Then isn't that even more impressive that Cover opted to act in favor of healing an imaginary mental illness one of their girls believed to have?
That's literally talent-first to a degree that's impractical.

>Huge artist scandal that was on the news
>Quite literally isolated Coco till she graduated
>The Mel stuff with her manager
>Some of the girls saying they literally slept in the studio due to overwork
>IRyS fucked up throat due to being pushed by staff past her limits
>Chloe forced to work sick as fuck
>Staff went to where Mio was when she was hospitalized because they didn't believe her
No anon, Hololive is bad as the rest of them, but you only see things in black and white, and your CEO cum guzzling ass already decided Holo good, and nothing will ever change that.

>>102559352
There were talents very popular in china that turned their back on money to stand with her. They axed a whole fucking branch rather then just terminating her.
>but an EN manager wouldn't let her collab with myth so that invalidates everything else
Ok retard.

>>102560975
Was asterstein lazy when he wasn't streaming before getting fired ?

>>102561204
>Staff went to where Mio was when she was hospitalized because they didn't believe her
You have a source? because that's supremely fucked up

>>102561204
>but you only see things in black and white
I'd point out how hypocritical this statement is in the context of your entire post, but I still don't think you would see it.

>>102561204
BACKPACKS KING

>>102561204
If you can only find seven things across seven years between 90 talents then you seem to be a bit drowning in irony.

>>102556502 (OP)
>no cons!
>oh i fucked up now let me attack someone else to divert attention

>>102556502 (OP)
>if
>wouldnt
>would
>i think

>>102561312
I have no idea of who that is

>>102561672
oh so its another meltdown

>>102561672
is she finally going schizo?

>>102561672
I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt and believe that everything she said about her time in Hololive was true.
That being said, she's been out of hololive for longer than she has been within it and things have changed dramatically according to most of the girls.
This unironically feels more like she regrets not sticking it out because everything she disliked in Holo got fixed.

>>102561848
>>102556772

>>102561672
Menhera

>>102561893
?????

>>102561672
does she not have any friend left to tell her to step out of twitter because shes too menhera?

>>102561672
This reads more like a "I don't need to have you guys tell me that "X corpo is actually good", when I just got fucked in the ass by one I genuinely thought was good, and need to just vent" to me.

>>102561204
>said artists came out defending cover and said that nijisanji straight up doesn't pay for shit and they should be the ones going under fire, Cover's only issue was too many managers and messy communication which delayed the pays, not that they pocketed it
>Not true, she still had collabs, she was not in hologra or official channel stuff which is minimal
>he got fired, then he kept stalking her, she asked for help but at that time cover was small and going against a person with no proof as a company was basically suicide since laws protecting vtubers didn't exist back then
>they overwork themselves, such as calli and bae and they straight up have rooms in the studio, shiori jokingly complained that her room in the studio didn't have free porn like love hotels do or a hair dryer
>Oh yeah, Omega has to die dunno what cover was thinking with that faggot and supposedly he got hired in Vshojo and that's why they fell
>Here I blame both cover and chloe, cover for not firing that staff and chloe for being a fucking doormat, it were her projects and she was straining herself wanting to do them, but she was too spineless to tell the staff to fuck off which... surprise, it worked.
Now you might say why am I blaming the victim and blah blah, thing is that if you're a streamer you have to put your foot down or you become bao
>Why does it annoy you that staff went to check on Mio? did they carry her to the studio or something?
No anon, Hololive is not as bad as you paint it, but the rest of you twitter starved faggots don't mind guzzling the cum out of tom calncy's ass after jeff bezos because you already decided Holo bad, and nothing will ever change that

>>102559352
Seems like your oshi deserved it

>>102561935
hololive gave her a contract so bad she walked away when she was making like 2 mil a year there's no chance she wished she was there still

>>102561672
She’s a dumb bitch

>Don't worry Yagoo is having one on one discussion with the talents to listen to their complaints
I know someone else who had one on one "discussions"

>>102562115
>Yagoo is having one on one discussion
They're not one on one discussions though. They're just without managers.
The girls have talked about all going together and discussing various things before.

>>102562086
She walked away because anybody near her was getting harassed too. It had nothing to do with the contract.
The response to the harassment probably, but not the contract.

>>102562154
and eating all the snacks

>>102562115
>>102490962

>>102562115
I mean, if some producer says
>suck my dick for a role
Why can't you just reply 'no'. Or better yet 'I have that on tape'

>>102562281
>E

>>102562270
>He thinks Yagoo doesn't have ties with powerful people when hololive literally had their talents work with the government
>He thinks the girls have a choice when they are tied to hololive with massive debts because of overpriced shitty 3d lives

>>102556502 (OP)
Phase seems to be doing pretty good. But then again, so did Vshojo, so who fucking knows these days.

>>102556502 (OP)
wasn't she angry because she was the TOP superchat earner in the platform and it didn't reflect on her paycheck because of whatever deal she signed in for like the rest of the talents? I always felt like she became smug in the way Nedry does in Jurassic Park, I don't blame her though, but the whole Holo system has actually kept some people safe until they do shine through for real, like AZKi, and I'm still grateful for those

>>102562417
>Yagoo does it because I want him to
lol

>>102562327
>A

>>102562561
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_%26_Associates

>>102562648
>SPORTS

>>102562446
honestly I wouldn't be surprise if Phase's drama ends up being that Pippa ends up mocking an lolcow and that lolcow manages to track down her house and kill her.
I mean that was pretty close to happening with Ralph the gut.

>>102556502 (OP)
Considering that Cover literally gave chink antis mod powers in her chat, probably not.

>>102562676
>Yagoo does it because I really want him to
lol

>>102556502 (OP)
Didn't Bae go through this??

>>102561672
Looks like a
>stop saying i fucked up by leaving Cover

>>102560292
Being a nice guy has nothing to do with making terrible decisions

>>102559743
>It's almost like there aren't just 2 vtuber companies and she was referring to other ones
Unless she's secretly worked for Niji or Phase, there's only another corpo she can be referring to in >>102556502 (OP) . If it isn't, then she doesn't know what she's talking about, as her getting scammed by VShojo shows.

>>102561672
Someone should fan the flames in her DMs with more bait "if you were in Hololive, you wouldn't be posting this rant"

disregard >>102563035 I just viewed >>102561672

yeah, she's an idiot

>>102563035
She's saying "probably" and "I think."
She's literally talking about what might have happened instead if Vshojo had owned the IPs, and then theoretically saying there could be plenty of places that do that if they're in a similar situation as Vshojo, but also happen to own the IPs.
She's not making a concrete statement, but simply spit balling hypotheticals.

>>102563469
which in political jargon is called "dog whistling"

>>102563562
>which in political jargon is called "dog whistling"
Because only dog brained retards think it means anything.

>>102556502 (OP)
>Promise ReGloss 3D models as they are an idol group
>Oops actually we lied, you need to have 500k subs
>They reach the goal, with some members having more subs than others
>during celebration tells Kanade that some people don't deserve the celebratory cake, almost making her cry
Fuck off

>>102559880
>I doubt that Yagoo is evil like Riku
yagoo created and pushed the stars, he's evil as fuck

>>102563686
that was one staff member making a shit joke wasnt it?
i barely remember now
that said regloss P sucks
whoever produces FG is way better

>>102563871
You don't make "jokes" like that at work, let alone a Japanese one

>>102563929
sure, but im trying to say it was one rando low ranking staff dude
hardly something to be mad at holo as a whole for
the regloss management is whats weird as hell, transplanted straight from TV production is what it feels like.

Either way, I'm still not gonna watch anyone but Holo at the end of the day

>>102556502 (OP)
well until the investors decide that Yagoo himself needs to go, which probably would destroy the company.

>>102560423
the hell is this? Your argument is full of holes. Shion has never admitted to suicidal thoughts; she just didn't care about her own wellbeing for a time but changed because of her time in hololive from her fans wishing her to take better care of herself. Hololive lets a lot of people not stream (But birthdays, anniversaries and holofest seem mostly required to do something for, but, obviously you have to work at your company).
I can't help but think everyone leaving the company can't handle the demands of work even if it's a fraction of what we understand as work for a 9-5. What all of them decide to do after they graduated is hardly different than when they were in the company. If they can make it outside the company, good for them but as a consumer, the product is less enjoyable

>>102564048
They didnt mention his position
Holo still lied about 3D models

>>102561377
Exactly, thankfully she survived.

>>102556502 (OP)
I don't know that Hololive is good, but i know performers aren't leaving it as soon as they physically can

>>102564249
>They didnt mention his position
Kanade did I'm pretty sure, she was specifying managers and producers in that anecdote
"staff-san" is basically kabuki kuroko tier low rank whenever they use the term
>Holo still lied about 3D models
they didn't lie about anything, for one you don't know what they agreed on or what their contract is, second it's fucking obvious they're getting 3D models because why wouldn't they? The whole sub milestone thing is a production issue with Reg-P, it felt like a dumb outdated number raising program from some dude who still thinks the meta in the idol scene is AKB senbatsus

>>102561204
>Matsuri saying that you only get as much work as you accept to do
if they are exploiting talents why the fuck some of them barely stream? retarded cuck.

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>>102564501
Oh so I am responding to someone who didn't watch their reactions when they were told they had to reach a milestone or their own streams talking about how surprised and stressed they were. Or their many streams "joking" about how they will need to be carried by x member. Nice bait faggot.

>>102556502 (OP)
No such thing as a good corpo. By their own nature, they must be evil to exploit and maximise shareholder value.

*Vshojo implodes
Somehow I knew this was all Hololives fault. Watch phase please.

>>102564800
But I literally did watch that dumbass
literally everyone didn't like it, I was reading holoneet at the time and the same thing has always been parroted: riguP munou

The issue is your retarded and addled mind is jumping to HOLOLIVE LIED TO THEM as if they were ever not going to give their own talents 3D models.

>>102560423
Literally making this up

>>102560423
You are a retard. There's plenty of reasons why you will NEVER win nijicuck, seethe and cope you fucking nigger

>>102560423
>Hololive didn't let her not stream
Uh huh, I'm sure the company that constantly lets their talents take breaks for months at a time sometimes was forcing somebody to stream. Get the fuck out. People like you just talking out their ass and making shit up is why this board is fucking trash.

>>102561893
>everything she disliked in Holo got fixed.
What makes you say that? They hemorrhaged like 1/5th of their top talent within the last year, all of who re-debuted as indy except Mumei because of her health issues. It sounds to me like they had major issues on the same level as Vshojo but just managed public perception better.

>>102562710
you should probably complain to youtube why they put the ban and mod button right next to each other then

>>102566110
Gura and Aqua make most of that statistic but tard-wrangling Gura is impossible for the long run.
There's a lack of any evidence that suggests their leaving has anything to do with finances, however, all the girls that left could easily afford all the assets and work related to their reincarnation

>>102560423
No. Shion said that when she used to take her little brother to school, she would think about how she didn't care if she was even alive later in the day to take him back home. Then she joined hololive and her fans made her care about herself because of how much love they showed her.
You are the worst kind of liar, twisting someone's most vulnerable moments and admissions into some kind of ammo for your shitty crusade. You deserve to have all of your fingers removed so that you can never type anything to anyone ever again.

>>102557554
also, getting rid of menheras like michael on time

>>102560423
>>102561204
>Sorry to break it to you, but just because you make up a thing in your mind doesn't make it magically real.
>Ina, Kiara and Kronii literally said that whoever think Cover is a black company has no idea what they are talking about. And mind that Kiara and Kronii were extremely critical of the company in the past.
>Ina even went on to say that if she were working for any other company she would've quit because she suffered from burnout badly but they asked her to rest and take care.
>Lui literally worked for black companies.
>Kronii is recorded on stream saying that even if she complained about the company, that doesn't mean Cover is specifically bad.
>Please get informed before spreading BS.
>Hololive isn't perfect, because, guess what, it's a fucking company. Working as an employee has some positives and some negatives to it, let alone in a japanese company.
>That's just working for someone in general. Don't like it? Go indie. Then you'll have a whole other series of different problems to deal with.
>Kson is saying now that they are shitty? Well, first of all she's contradicting herself, since not too many years ago she was on record saying that Cover treated her very well economically speaking and that she had no complaint about that aspect.
>Secondarily, for all the people that say "she knows better than you because she worked in it", well, the same can be said for the aforementioned Ina, Kiara, Kronii, Lui, etc, who work in it and say the opposite.
>The fact it didn't work out for her and she's now bitter because of the current situation doesn't mean automatically she just revealed a big secret about Cover being evil and now their reputation is gone, LOL. It's just her throwing a tantrum, rightfully so, because she's angry AF due to the current situation.

>>102567573
The fuck, I greentexted everything out of accident.
Whatever, ignore it, no idea why it happened when I was copypasting.

>>102566928
See:
>>102561672
I strongly suspect the rash of Holo graduations has more to do with this sort of thing than anything else, and if they keep unilaterally taking more and more of the profit split is a sign of financial issues further up.

>>102557044
>Holo pays you what they contractually agreed to pay you
Unless you're an artist

>>102567969
Middle man exploiters? She was making more than enough during her tenure at hololive (See Coco buying a nearly $10k bed and seemingly on a whim). It's commonly assumed her issues with Holo are related to red tape around behavior or procedures. Or you can even mention the taiwan incident as a cause for her eroding mental state.
The most work-oriented, the most hardworking, the most ambitious people in Hololive decided to stay in Hololive

>>102560423
She's gonna really have some suicidal thoughts with her new CCV

>>102556502 (OP)
kson is going to become a radical mutualist at this point.

>>102561672
kson two steps to becoming a Miguel el gato and have a meltdown every month

>>102562210
you lack critical information

>>102570879
apparently not or else you wouldn't be vague-posting.

>>102569755
This

>>102567573
>My company is good because contract-bound employees said it

>>102572760
>All the other corpos had girls leave and immediately shit-talk how bad it was and how X and Y were problems
>Meanwhile those that left Hololive in some form just move on or even praise it with the worst criticism being "lack of creative freedom" (gunpla building)

>>102572760
Not just the current employees, ex-employees including those that did not just "leave" but terminated abruptly.

>>102567977
FARTists should suffer.

>>102559332
niji jp would have to be dead for them this thought to even occur

>>102567969
>I strongly suspect the rash of Holo graduations has more to do with this sort of thing than anything else
Why?

Bottom line is Cover gives me the content I want to see. Indies don't give me the content I want to see, in fact they're often distributing content I very much don't want to see.
Simple as.

>>102573862
the voices in my head told me so

>>102568349
>The most work-oriented, the most hardworking, the most ambitious people in Hololive decided to stay in Hololive
the ones that moved to japan*

>>102556502 (OP)
>Noto Sans
Yikes

>>102574851
You're only considering EN? I rarely consider EN because they often pale in comparison to their JP compatriots' work ethic and ambition

Honestly I think Mel should have put out for her manager

>>102556502 (OP)
in comparision, yes. in absolute terms hololive is lawful neutral while the others have all flavours of evil.

>>102576091
It's wild that Hololive won by just doing what is expected from an employer.

>>102561797
>>102561832
>>102561898
>>102561988
>>102570802

>>102556502 (OP)
She gave permission to laugh at her. So laugh, laugh at the stupid whore who thought getting a pimp would let her get more whore money

>>102567977
It's strange that the artist only came out to defend cover, saying that these things are common and that cover is the best in the industry. Not a single one came out to criticise cover. But of course, provide evidence and I will admit defeat.

>>102556502 (OP)
Holo's literally bullied their talents to suicide attempts.

>>102567977
>Unless you're an artist
this is holo sister, not niji who didnt pay artist and have their ex liver who paid the artist themself

>>102559332
>nah holo is fucked
>2 of your biggest competition is goin down the shitter
thats called WINNING anon lmao

>>102580276
>nijisister who bullied aloe try to rewrite history
forget that u sister who bully her because she said niji is a black company huh sister? KEK too bad ppl are not retarded like u sister

>>102556502 (OP)
>Holo is the only good corpo right?
YES, next question? preferably the less obvious answer, like hololive is good? we all know that for years anon, thats why they are the golden standard

>>102580276
overemotional women and their "suicide attempts"

There's no good corpos, and there's very few good indies. (no, they're not your's, and they're not mine, either.) You're just gonna have to accept shit with corn flakes over diarrhea shit, and if you're lucky, you'll find a /lig/ or literal who that produces something worthwhile.
And if you do, don't fucking tell anyone, or shit like OP happens.

>>102556502 (OP)
The problem with that is Kson is a retard that doesn't know how contracts work at all. They can't just arbitrarily change things like that, both sides have to agree and it's on the talent if they want to stay. If my job came to me and told me I'm getting a 20% cut in pay you bet your ass I'd be looking for a new job.

For all this talks about the IP, oh nyo the precious IP it's not worth a fucking damn. Being given a model to start is seen as generous because the barrier of entry can be really high for someone who has no streaming experience, a stable income, or know how to commission shit but if you're an established talent with a real fan base it's not that difficult getting a model or outfit made.

I think she's just bitter Cover didn't let her keep the Coco IP.

>>102557554
Hmm it's almost like you didn't address the point of the tweet at all.

>>102556502 (OP)
talents leaving left and right tells otherwise
phase unironically is the only good corpo left

>>102581310
>>102577226

it just hit me how stupid vtubing is

>>102556502 (OP)
None of these companies are good, just a sliding scale of bad.

>>102556502 (OP)
This can’t work because if the talent takes the IP elsewhere and fuck up, it’ll till look bad on the company.

>>102580276
I forgot niji sisters have bullied multiple women into roping themselves.
>an attempt. lol

>>102557554
At least one count of management raping Mel though.

>>102561672
This actually tracks. In order to be hired by Phase Connect you are legally required to be mentally ill in some way. This crashout might qualify her for the sad girl company.

>>102580559
Holy ESL

>>102583006
liar, all nijis including fans are good people

>>102582910
Monetizing and trying to squeeze a hobby dry kinda kills it

>>102583518
i don't think what kizuna ai and mirai akari did was a hobby

>>102566211
Oh yeah Cover isn't a malicious evil cunt that pushed her out.

>>102583566
I remember Kizuna as someone very upfront in her sketches, within nip standards, about wanting the money. But streamers were more relaxed about that, content with enough to keep the lights on instead of trying to turn it into a job replacement. Kinda like the old youtube content.
There still are some girls like that but searching takes a lot of time. It's pretty nice to watch someone just having fun in an almost childlike way.

>>102556502 (OP)
The New Direction and the contract disputes that followed.
Hololive is no longer the company as before.

>>102557554
all the big vtuber companies have 0 attempted suicides.

>>102584519
>hololive is the only big corpo
yeah

>>102571783
that wasn't a vaguepost. she literally said that one time lol

>>102556502 (OP)
Yeah that's why she never quit Holo.

>>102556502 (OP)
If it was a good corpo she would go back.

>>102573238
>>102572994
>They think it's wise to attack a company with retarded japan laws

>>102556502 (OP)
>Complaining about a company owning it's assets
Actual fucking retard

>>102556502 (OP)
A good corp? there no such thing anon they all got skeltons in their closets it's only a question when it falls out

>>102586767
the guy inside the mickey mascot at disneyland should own the rights of the character and the costume imo

>>102557554
>missing the point
>all that shit happened in holo

>>102586848
Kson would unironically believe that.
Wait 2 days and watch her start dmg control once the melty passes

>>102586913 (me)
>niji*
sorry, autocorrect failed me

>>102556502 (OP)
Never side with the company over the talents.

>>102586848
>brave/unlimited "ctuber" argument
as expected of holokeks defending their black company

>>102557554
That you know of

>>102587322
People like to say this but in reality it depends.

>>102559184
>hololive is shit you should support vshojo instead because cons equal to none
>whoopsie daisy turns out vshojo sucks ass, but fuck hololive again because I don't want people to think I made the wrong choice
I fucking hate this bitch

Has mike or rica ever said anything about cover yet?
They got terminated so they are not restricted by nda
All ex-niji and ex-vshojo have their shot fired

>>102587776
>They got terminated so they are not restricted by nda
That's not how it works.

>>102587776
they didn't say anything, the only one who talked is kson and it was because she wanted more money >>102562086

>>102561204
Didn't Coco start to isolate herself because the antis would harass anyone she interacted with? I vaguely recall she had a collab with Flare during that period where she got depressed in the middle of it because Flare's chat was getting spammed just for talking to her. Then Flare just set her chat to members only and tried to get Coco's mind off it or something

Do you think Kekson regrets having a woman moment and quitting Hololive? She glazed vwhore so much and ended up being worse than niggersanji

>>102559352
Newfags like you believing some random tourist who gets this kind of misinfo from AI needs to gtfo of this board. You literal fcks have 0 idea how shitty the Zhangs situation that time.

>>102556502 (OP)
Holo is bad for reasons you guys never seem to call out.
They're a tech company that attracted a lot of investment by overpromising
Pivot into vague "metaverse" product to keep investment coming
>okay really, how tf is this going to get us a return on our investment?
...
pivot to online gambling

Big tech, across the board, have gone mask off and given up the sci-fi utopianist mystique of "futurism." they've fully embraced being con-men and are now just leveraging captology and their influence to run elaborate online casinos. niggas were talking about space travel and AI and superintelligence for years and years, attracting endless investment, and they've delivered on none of it. the moment the public started catching on was the moment they started acting like fucking yakuza and thugs.
it's all just crime. all of it. all power since ancient civilization has just been successful banditry. techno-utopianism was just a new religion to justify it and fascinate us into compliance.
as if the cheap plastic garbage and acrylic stands weren't enough of a scam. it's never enough. people invest in COVER's ability to siphon money out of retards like you.

>>102560052
>The CEO (Yagoo) has a dedicated timeslot tucked away where the hololive girls can complain to him in person about anything. This has been so good (or bad?) that ex hololive managers found on Glassdoor complained that the talents have far too much power
kek this is fucking glorious

>>102560423
>Hololive didn't let her not stream
how the fuck does this make sense when Gura and Ayame exist/existed (in Gura's case)
make it make sense

>>102587776
>They got terminated so they are not restricted by nda
anti-holofags can literally never explain how Mikecat of all people doesn't have a single bad word to say about hololive even now

>>102588694
scamming investors whilst supplying me with infinite free CGDCT entertainment sounds pretty based. what am i supposed to be feigning anger about here?

>>102561204
truth nuke

>>102574851
Kiara is still in Austria

>>102569755
Gotta say if I'm having severe anxiety from streaming, having less viewers judging me will always be less stressful than having constant 5 digit viewer numbers

>>102561672
Phase tribal fags really are disgusting.

>>102556502 (OP)
kek, good one

>>102557554
>0 attempted suicides

>>102557554
>0 attempted suicides
nene
ao
laplus

>>102589317
>JP
doesn't count

>>102589317
elaborate

>>102587776
rica did say to "move on nigga"
https://youtu.be/EMEq65DeED8

>>102556502 (OP)
it’s the best of what we have at the moment

>>102589317
>makes shit up

Hololive really cannot stop winning huh?
We love to see it. Saba cucks will soon be jailed for being pdf's - great day.

>>102557554
>0 attempted suicides
aloe...

>>102590191
Yeah, you're a newfag or a shitposter.

>>102588053
She's currently having a meltdown on twitter trying desperately to convince herself that leaving hololive was the right decision. Of couse she regrets it.

>>102591677
>"currently having a meltdown"
>*look inside*
>announced an event with a cool person
>retweeting some fanart
>implied hololive was bad too more than 12 hours ago
what an insane meltdown

>>102591677
i mean, if she were still in hololive she would have amassed a lot of money more than what she would have right now while doing side rm stuff if she wanted to.

>>102556502 (OP)
Apparently some of the smaller JP corpos are decent too but the Western scene is shifting in general, away from corpos and more towards small talent owned companies and talent agencies.

A kind of in-between being corpo and indie mostly as a group to give themselves legitimacy to events and sponsors.

>>102591759
This is an obvious melty, retard

>>102591677
>redditcorp faggots STILL mad she left
fuck off lmao

>>102592665
watch me have an even bigger melty right now then
hololive is really bad

>>102557696
>% from sponsorships that they acquire for their talents
>% from merch that their talents advertise to their audience

it ain't hard collecting free money while doing jack shit.

>>102560052
Actually the ID girls say if it’s necessary for the girls to be in Japan, mocap for concerts or whatever, the company pays for travel and accommodations, but for anything else, like if they want to do a vlog or participate in other 3D stuff, they have to pay out of pocket. Meaning if they last long enough, they will be required to travel to Japan at least once for your initial 3D. It’s also the reason why Vesper left. He smokes weed to help with his anxiety and it’s illegal in Japan so he was never going to be able to make that journey and they couldn’t work out any alternative.

>>102560853
Hololive has problems but they're caused by incompetence rather than malice. You can fix incompetence.

>>102559681
>"they"

when it's most likely one guy using it to gamble hoping no one would notice until he win it back and donate the winning while making a profit. it's a story as old as time, take current paycheck, gamble, use next paycheck to pay for current debt, rinse and repeat... except this person most likely got fired and no one noticed they took the money.

>>102559332
>They are winning, it means they are actually losing

>>102559616
imagine only getting le 2% when it's corpo that have to pay out the pocket to produce the merch. nearly half of hololive revenue comes from merch sale.

>>102561988
Those pornstar friends of her only go on her stream if they get paid lol, they do not care about her.

>>102556502 (OP)
>the corpoS
Bad news, sister...

>>102556502 (OP)
Who the fuck knows, Gunrun managed to be the biggest scumbag making Riku look reasonable by comparison. Kept that image clean for what, 5 years? and none of us knew, probably all the shit ass nda he makes them sign. Yagoo or some executive in Cover pulling the same? Who the fuck knows at this point.

>>102587999
>Didn't Coco start to isolate herself because the antis would harass anyone she interacted with?
No, the opposite actually. The managers have told a lot of the members not to collab with her and the biggest ones that were revealed to be doing it were the myth members.

>>102561672
>retards that don't watch kson doesn't understand what an inside joke is.
Fucking hilarious, chinks will never cease to amaze me with their stupidity.

>>102560292
being a "nice guy" is a facade people do to get what they want. when gunrun help, there's always a catch that also profit him, whether it's to advertise his product/service, or to gain access to someone's social network.

>>102561204
If holo overwork their girls, how the fuck do Gura and Ayame exist? They stream once in a blue moon.

>>102561204
>Huge artist scandal that was on the news
artists aren't real human beings and don't deserve rights or respect
>Quite literally isolated Coco till she graduated
skill issue, she should have stood her ground like an honorabu samurai and passed the challenge
>The Mel stuff with her manager
overexaggerated, manager was already fired for misconduct what else were they supposed to do
>Some of the girls saying they literally slept in the studio due to overwork
self-inflicted and willing
>IRyS fucked up throat due to being pushed by staff past her limits
self-inflicted and willing
>Chloe forced to work sick as fuck
self-inflicted and willing
>Staff went to where Mio was when she was hospitalized because they didn't believe her
maybe she's lied to them before, you have no idea
>No anon, Hololive is bad as the rest of them
hololive is leagues better than the rest of them because the rest are so dogshit
>but you only see things in black and white, and your CEO cum guzzling ass already decided Holo good
based on empirical evidence right in front of me that hololive is ok and the rest are absolute dogshit
>nothing will ever change that
because hololive is a decently ran normal succesful company whereas the rest are utter dogshit

cope and seethe niggæ

>>102597615
the millie picture really brings it all together

I want to breed kson. Once I find her and hypnotize her she will make a tweet about our marriage.

This is the real reason for VSouljaboy going down in flames!