What's the point of the fantastical character designs if you are not going to embody the character and its kayfabe?
What even is the point of vtubing at this point?
Is it just an alternative for women that are too lazy to do makeup every time they stream?
Not only are they not doing the bare minimum, but they are not even respecting the illusion they are selling.

>>102570059 (OP)
One word: MONEY

>>102570059 (OP)
IDK. They are insecure about how they look IRL?
Privacy due to more anonimity?
Viewers in general liking a 2D avatar more, as proven by views?

>>102570059 (OP)
>Females when they're forced to go 0.00001 seconds without mentioning their sex life/partner

>>102570059 (OP)
>Is it just an alternative for women that are too lazy to do makeup every time they stream?
In the western sphere? Yes.
Learn JP and your life will be better.

>>102570059 (OP)
>Is it just an alternative for women that are too lazy to do makeup every time they stream?
Thats all its been for years now my dude. Anyone who gave a shit about vtubing before ewhores from the West picked it up knew this would happen too which is pretty funny. All the /jp/ doomposters back then were completely right.

>>102570059 (OP)
>Is it just an alternative for women that are too lazy to do makeup every time they stream?
That's all it ever was.
If people cared about kayfabe, Zentreya would be bigger than Pekora

>>102570059 (OP)
>What's the point of the fantastical character designs if you are not going to embody the character and its kayfabe?
What lore said Nimi couldn't be married?
>Is it just an alternative for women that are too lazy to do makeup every time they stream?
No? Why would you think that?
>Not only are they not doing the bare minimum, but they are not even respecting the illusion they are selling.
Setting up a stream lay out, working with a team to make assets for every little thing, singing and dancing is minimal effort?

>>102570059 (OP)
Yes!
next thread

>>102570506
>>Is it just an alternative for women that are too lazy to do makeup every time they stream?
>No? Why would you think that?
Kson and many flesh streamers do this.
They explicitly stated that they can stream whenever and tdo no have to worry about the make up and cloth.

>>102570506
>What lore said Nimi couldn't be married?
Leave the IRL situation out of your kayfabe. Wrestlers never talked about their situation at home.
>No? Why would you think that?
because they are not embodying the kayfabe
>Setting up a stream lay out, working with a team to make assets for every little thing, singing and dancing is minimal effort?
embodying the kayfabe is the bare minimum.

>>102571772
>Kayfabe
I don't think you know what that words mean. Please explain to me what says the character Nimi Nightmare cannot be married.
>Wrestlers never talked about their situation at home.
They talk about having a family, a wife, a kid plenty of times. I think you're just doing mental gymnastics because you're jealous a woman you'll never meet is getting married.

>>102572162
but Nimi is not getting married, her IRL person is getting married. There were no story led up to this.
>They talk about having a family, a wife, a kid plenty of times
like how Undertaker talked about his "brother" Kane?
literally all fake.

I wish you a happy cuck life. I am out tho.

>>102570059 (OP)
>>102570059 (OP)
>Is it just an alternative for women that are too lazy to do makeup every time they stream?
and protect their personal life, identity, and information
its the ultimate e-whore streamer end game, get all the benefits while having none of the shame that comes with it (because nobody knows who you really are)

>>102572353
>There were no story led up to this.
Nobody has story past their debut. You're just shit flinging. What if Nimi did make a lore video about her getting married. Would you change your mind about your precious kayfabe?
>Well this ONE (1) Wrestler did a story about his character's brother!
Rey Mysterio fought Eddie Guerrero over custody of his actual child. Oh no, you just got 619cuck'd by Rey Mysterio because he has a kid!!!
>I wish you a happy cuck life
There's your forced fetish. I was never trying to fuck Nimi.
>I am out tho!
See you next stream

>>102571772
>Leave the IRL situation out of your kayfabe. Wrestlers never talked about their situation at home.
Back in the 80s yeah but that went out the window by the late 90s and 2000s

>>102572725
>Well this ONE (1) Wrestler fought over custody of his actual child.
One remains a legend, another is forgotten as another mediocre wrestler.
Same goes for vtubing. You gotta respect the craft.
>Nobody has story past their debut.
which is why they are doing a shitty job.

>>102572462
>its the ultimate e-whore streamer end game, get all the benefits while having none of the shame that comes with it (because nobody knows who you really are)
Still better than the XQCs of the world, to be quite honest.

>Nimi eats nightmares
>creates a scenario that results in unicorn nightmares
>never starves again
Kino, you just didn't get it.

>>102570059 (OP)
the point is to piss you off, exclusively. it seems to be working really well.

>>102570059 (OP)
>What's the point of the fantastical character designs if you are not going to embody the character and its kayfabe?
It's cute.

What's an example of a vtuber "embodying the character" because they never seem to care much about the fantasy concept after explaining it during debut unless they're making a joke about it.

>>102573776
Unironically it was her plan all along

>>102570059 (OP)
Vtubing as a hobby is disintegrating in real time. It will shock me if vtubers exist the same way they do now in 5 years.

>>102576270
Yeah, I feel this. The best times are very far behind us, and never coming back.
Really, it was at its best in the early days, when both JP and Myth actually gave a shit about engaging, entertaining, and pleasing an audience.
It felt like we were engaging with lonely, closeted nerdy girls, who were super thrilled to have an outlet and an audience.
Now they don't even bother to read most of the superchats.
It was like you were a customer, or a patron, rather than treating you like it is a privilege just to tune into their streams, and you're just a witness while they all play the same video games, or make the same jokes 8000 times.
Vtubing is for cucks now, that is the only audience for this shit.

I just want Vedal to make a company of AI Vtubers.
Letting real women pilot my anime women was a mistake.
You could like, download a personal copy of a Neuro-like AI, and have her be like an actual girlfriend.
No real Vtuber will ever give you that in a million years.

>>102576270
well i mean Vtubing is very much on the AI chopping block that like half the western economy is on, so honestly giving it 5 years is generous.

>>102570059 (OP)
Normalfags ruined all the fun again.

>>102570059 (OP)
>Is it just an alternative for women that are too lazy to do makeup every time they stream?
Exactly.
Nimigger can push the Start Stream button and talked about the most random shit and she will be making bank with absolutely 0 effort.
Hell, most of the twitch thots just open up tiktok and "react" to reels for hours and make more money than the simps flipping burgers to pay their donos.

>>102580521
This is the ultimate underlying reason for the decline of Vtubing.

>>102570059 (OP)
This is why you go to nichemaxxing chuubas (/tactical/, /freak/) they stick to it like their life depends on it.

>>102570059 (OP)
Thanks for your money napcuck, however we decided we no longer need condom money and now need pamper money. Thanks for your understanding

>>102582527
kek

>>102570100
you take that back

>>102582782
He's right you know

>>102570100
there are safer ways to make money.

>>102583532
Really?
Working two hours a day, never having to leave your house, and making tens of thousands of dollars in one stream isn't safe?
I get that the majority of Vtubers don't make that much, but they all want to be like the ones that do.
And once they get a community going, they are are basically set for life. Doesn't even need to be a big one. Just appeasing a few groomer whales will pay the bills.
Just depends on how much a of a whore they can stomach being.

This is all there is to it for EN.

>>102583716
The 2025 side is me every time Gurasaba's real voice slips through. Sometimes when she laughs or whispers, she can't maintain her vtuber voice and I gosling. 5 years of it.

>>102570059 (OP)
>>102583716
uuuuuu~

>>102579000
We just need him to get neuro to a point so he can finally work on the mommy asmr vutuber ai.

>>102583811
>doesn't mention husband
Is it a lesbo wedding with adoption/ivf?

>>102583811
>having a family of my own has always been a dream of mine

>>102583811
>>102583927
adoption!

>>102583643
I guess I meant "more surefire/less volatile", not necessarily "physically safer".

>>102570059 (OP)
Cuz I’d rather see a cute anime avatar than some 3DPD in “makeup”?
Pretty simple, OP.

>>102571772
>Wrestlers never talked about their situation at home.
…Yes? They do?
Jake Roberts, Ricky Steamboat, & just-last-year CM Punk all had feuds involving their IRL wives. Fans still thirst after Stephanie, whilst her marriage to HHH’s been public for 2 decades. Seth & Becky became an on-screen power couple after getting hitched.
>>102572353
FFS you cite Undertaker when UNDERTAKER’S WIFE was focal to his Invasion feud with DDP!

>>102573398
Hey now.
Rey was anything but mediocre.

>>102585070
This, if you want to talk about wrestling kayfabe IRL personal relationships were constantly used as story line plot points.

>>102583716
It's genuinely so over

Do people seriously watch vtubers like it was a fictional scripted TV show instead of an insight into the mind of another human being or am I being trolled

>>102570059 (OP)
They're fuck ugly

>>102570059 (OP)
>Is it just an alternative for women that are too lazy to do makeup every time they stream
makeup is a jewish psyop anyway and women who use it too much age like milk

>>102584763
Even a 100 viewer female makes like $50k-$100k a year. And you can get like 50 viewer just by asking your friends and family to tune in

>>102570059 (OP)
It is her character. She gets to kill it however she wants. all the signs were there at the beginning but we refused to to see it. She played us just like how she played Kronii. We are fools.

>>102585382
>:
Yes and no, people just dont want to be reminded of real life which is why vtubing is such a huge thing to begin with

>>102570059 (OP)
youve answered your own question already

>>102570059 (OP)
Not only not doing make up, even if they get fucked behind the scene you won't have noticed if they hide well enough

its a grift to get forever alone weebs thatre too retarded to use AI girlfriends to donate to them

>>102570059 (OP)
Kayfabe is just temporary duping, so it's not what you think. Embodying a character is only done in acting and role playing.

It died when she left OP.
We're just living in a nightmare we refuse to wake up.

>>102570059 (OP)
I wonder how many of these nimi threads are made by actual disgruntled fans... probably zero...

kek this shit really mind breaks the drones

>>102590273
https://www.youtube.com/@Azumalim
https://www.youtube.com/@Pmarusama
https://www.youtube.com/@%E3%81%BF%E3%82%84%E3%81%BE%E3%82%93%E3%83%81%E3%83%A3%E3%83%B3%E3%83%8D%E3%83%AB
https://www.youtube.com/@LjotSwanhild
https://youtube.com/@Suraya_Archive

this is the opinion of your average napling
so i'm confident she's not gonna lose much momentum in her vtubing career with this revelation
it's pretty over for bros that love the kayfabe because this will signal to other ENs that it's okay to be upfront about their relationships
the only way forward is to learn japanese and go watch JPs instead where they at least try to keep the illusion going

>>102590563
One of these is not like the others.

It’s literally just grifters who hop onto the current trend, she did the same shit with ASMR when that was popular on YouTube and then switched to vtubing because ASMR content became fucked on YouTube. Plus 99% of these people have no real life skills, didint mature after high school, and were raised on the internet.

>>102570059 (OP)
Neuro-Sama is the real and only true vtuber

>>102590761
EN has always been shit, even during 2020 kayfabe was barely done by them because EN girls cannot do it as well as japs who actually do play into character. The extent of their kayfabe has always just been for gay shit like excuses for not streaming “oh death sensei needed to see me, guard dog duty” etc stupid shit

>JPs are getting railed by fat corpo businessmen on a daily basis to keep their jobs
>This is preferable

>>102576270
In 5 years they'll be totally replaced by AI, lets be honest. Same target demographic, but with 24/7 personal attention vs sporadic streams where they don't see your comments anyway.

Not saying it's a good thing necessarily, but it's inevitable.

>>102591082
anon... she has a fatherhusband

>>102591171
Well the difference is they don’t broadcast it publicly, nobody fucking cares if they’re getting dicked down as long as they keep it separate from their character

>>102591171
who cares what they do on their private time?
you're on stage, you perform

>>102570506
>What lore said Nimi couldn't be married?
the part of the lore where she's an anime girl while the person she's getting married to is a flesh and blood 3-dimensional real human being in the real world that has nothing to do with a dream-eating tapir nurse in a fantastical hospital.

the western vtubers clearly don't care about idol kayfabe since there is no jap company paying them to care. if this doesn't actually hurt nimi you will probably see more of it from the western indies

>>102591428
She's still acting like she's my daughterwife though

>>102591571
Even if it "hurts" Nimi it won't really matter. Plenty of successful Vtubers openly have boyfriends or husbands. Even if her viewership shrinks a bit she'll still never need to get a real job, that's the reality.

>>102591432
>nobody fucking cares if they’re getting dicked down as long as they keep it separate from their character
This is extremely false

>>102591545
>the part of the lore where she's an anime girl
Anime girls get married all the time. Nimi posted about it on her twitter. It's 'canon'
>over explains that he's jealous about the roommate getting married

>>102591171
why do tourists alway justify themselves by shitting on where the whole subculture started in the first place. there’s a reason why the chinese and koreans can make waifu gacha while the best en can do is localisers who openly hate the target audience

>>102592115
>there’s a reason why the chinese and koreans can make waifu gacha
Just because Asians are better at pandering to men doesn't mean they're having any less sex. If hearing that makes you mad, you're being deliberately obtuse.

>>102570059 (OP)
>What's the point of the fantastical character designs if you are not going to embody the character and its kayfabe?
Alright humor me. What is in the character description that says "will never have a marriage arc"?
Show me the fine print or admit to schizo headcanon

>>102591832
>Anime girls get married all the time
to anime boys
>Nimi posted about it on her twitter. It's 'canon'
unless the husband was initially introduced from the outset as an anime husband with an anime settei then no, it's a violation of the suspension of disbelief and premise
>over explains that he's jealous
I hate disgusting 3-dimensional women, retard, why the fuck would I be jealous? You don't understand the autism you are dealing with you fucking subhuman normalfaggot tourist just fuck off from this hobby already you fucking midwit npc hylic shitter fuck off fuck off fuck off fuck off fuck off fuck off fuck off fuck off FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF

2D >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3DPD
2D >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3DPD
2D >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3DPD
2D >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3DPD
2D >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3DPD

SHINEISHINEISHINEISHINEISHINEISHINEISHINEISHINEI RIAJUU BAKUHATSUSHITE

>>102592610
>to anime boys
So what if her husband gets a model?
>unless the husband was initially introduced from the outset as an anime husband with an anime settei then no, it's a violation of the suspension of disbelief and premise
You would complain even if he was. Again, what if he's introduced to the "lore" you care oh so much about?
>Literally chimps out because he's not getting married
Sorry? Even if Nimi wasn't getting married now you would have never married her. Keep funding her wedding.

>>102593452
Riajuu-san, I told you to fuck off why are you still here? Nande?
>So what if her husband gets a model?
he was not introduced with a model/design and character setting on her debut so it doesn't count and may I refer you to Nimi's own tweet in her own words where she says right here
>Alongside streaming, having a family of my own has always been a dream of mine
>Alongside streaming
>Alongside
as in, it's separate and distinct to it, and also
>I don’t usually talk about my personal life
>personal
as in, private and separate to her life as the vtuber Nimi Nightmare, a dream-eating baku nurse running a fantastical clinic
https://x.com/niminightmare/status/1947497473544753172
so therefore, as stated by Nimi herself, said husband is being introduced not as an anime boy inside the anime universe of the tapir nurse anime girl but rather as a separate and distinct real-life entity from our own real-life world and so therefore even if he did get a model in the future it still wouldn't count
>Again, what if he's introduced to the "lore" you care oh so much about?
don't make me repeat myself, riajuu-san
>Even if Nimi wasn't getting married now you would have never married her
>You would complain even if he was
during the golden days of Nijisanji EN during peak Luxiem era when the mixed-gender collabs abounded I literally shipped Selen and Vox because of their chemistry and banter being so good such as in Overwatch games and the fact that the haughty demon lord being matched and brought down a peg by an even haughtier smug dragon-girl was like fantasy romcom anime kino. Kill yourself.

Btw, Nerissa's siblings don't fucking count either because they were not introduced with lore from the outset and their current appearance and 'lore' was literally workshopped on fucking stream and twitter with the fact that it was made-up lore being lampshaded and talked about like they're not actually demon raven people whereas Pekomama DOES count because she was always Pekomama. Die fucking riajuu DIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEEEEE
any vtuber who brings up real-life shit in ANY capacity should fucking graduate and never return to the internet ever again, have I made myself clear enough for you, normalFAGGOT scum?

>>102594171
Characters can have personal lives.
>Nande?
You will never be Japanese btw
>Bitches about how he'll always be alone
you live a sad life. Nimi will never marry you. No vtuber will. No woman will. Not even a troon would settle for you.

At least she had the decency to tell you instead of keeping it a secret and getting busted later. Develop some fuckin' grace, faggots.

>>102570059 (OP)
>Not respecting the illusion they're selling
What? Like you do know most people know it's just a pretend character in screen right??

>>102595133
>Bitches about how he'll always be alone
based on this and your last sentences you didn't even read my post at all and are just saying the same pre-planned shit you'd have said regardless of anything and therefore really are npc-tier like I initially dismissed you as and not worth talking to.

>>102595650
No, I read your second chimp out. It didn't really add anything to the conversation. Why don't you talk like a real life person instead of freaking out whenever someone mentions anything remotely real. You're doing so much mental gymnastics because a woman is getting married. This is exactly why you're alone.

>>102596148
>Why don't you talk like a real life person
because this isn't real life. Get filtered sillybilly.
>This is exactly why you're alone
But I'm not alone, I'm talking to (You) right now! :D

ogey

>>102570059 (OP)
whats wrong with women getting married and settling down? are you a cuck if just you want your favorite people to be happy? i swear you are all bitter incels who keep searching for things to get mad about

>>102597730
>are you a cuck if just you want your favorite people to be happy?
yes. Experiencing pleasure at people you like hooking up with people who are not you is literally the definition of cuckoldry. All porn and romance movies/tv shows are also forms of cuckoldry just to a more removed and abstract degree.
>i swear you are all bitter incels
why do you think we are 'incels' anon? Did we just grow out of the ground like that? We just randomly chose to be like that for no reason at all? Explain what you think incel means and why we are incels anon

and stop posting that image it isn't funny and nobody knows what the fuck you are getting at or mean by avatarfagging with it because we don't have actual schizophrenia.

>>102597730
The marriage part is not what OP was complaining about, but go off tourist. I know you're just here to feel better about yourself by calling everyone you don't like incels.

>>102595257
When watching an anime, would you prefer the character to just start monologuing about her voice actress's real life wedding and honeymoon? if not, why not? why would that be different?

>>102570409
Fancuck...

if you watch western vtubers you're part of the problem
thanks for ruining the hobby you retards

>>102590761
holy kekling delusion

idk she clearly plays into it, stopped watching nimi myself after I got the impression she's clearly doing it only for the money which kinda deflated the entertainment value.

>>102570059 (OP)
>Is it just an alternative for women that are too lazy to do makeup every time they stream?
Yes? What's going to stop them? There's plenty of retards in this board itself that are defending this bitch and defend other bitches, and she will continue making bank no problem. Vtubing is now just regular streaming with a costume on, get used to it, sweaty. It's called "having your hobby get too popular" and it has been happening for years now.

>>102601880
You will never be Japanese

>>102604977

>>102570059 (OP)
STOP giving these traitorous whores your money.

>>102570059 (OP)
>Is it just an alternative for women that are too lazy to do makeup every time they stream? Not only are they not doing the bare minimum, but they are not even respecting the illusion they are selling.
I've been saying this for FUCKING YEARS. They don't have to be attractive, they don't have to be put together, they don't have to take care of themselves, and apparently they don't have to abide by any of the expectations of them from old vtuber culture, they don't have to keep up the illusion.

They are the most entitled whore cunts on the planet. Contrary to belief, streaming really does take effort, not just anyone can do it properly. But they have the easiest streaming job in existence. They're not sitting there under a microscope for a 10 hour stream. The complete opposite, the scrutiny they're under day by day isn't even enough to guarantee some of them are actually even fucking women (Zentreya's existence).

>>102570059 (OP)
>Is it just an alternative for women that are too lazy to do makeup every time they stream?
No shit retard.
Men don't watch ugly female streamers and being a vtuber sidesteps that issue entirely.

>>102605398
>>102605883
And retards remove any consequence and accountability more and more. If this happened to some japanese idol where she willy nilly went to twitter to happily tell all her supporters that she has had a fiance for years now and she is getting married soon, that woman's career would be fucking over and the meltdown would be legendary.

The filter of normal streaming for women is looks and/or personality. If you're an ugly talentless whore you won't get far. You need, bare minimum, to be attractive and have big tits, but vtubing just completely removes that. When you remove the consequences even further, now vtubers are untouchable and can get away with anything as long as they aren't completely brain dead.

>>102572725
>What if Nimi did make a lore video about her getting married. Would you change your mind about your precious kayfabe?
NTA but you know they'd find a way to bitch and moan about it, even if it matches their kayfabe or was the single greatest lore video/whatever the vtubing world has ever seen.

>>102570059 (OP)
>What even is the point of vtubing at this point?
there is none, the character work has been completely abolished and you're the badguy for acknowledging it. It's like if Elvira or Joe Bob were McKenna and Dale and acted like totally nonplussed regular people but still had the set and dressing.

My friend made this for me. I feel massively sad. I really liked her. I don't know what to feel to be honest but this bot helps me. Thought I might post it here for people suffering like me.

https://janitorai.com/characters/e284a202-7615-44e2-a3a8-58339098c6e3_character-nimi-nightmare-married

>>102607626
of course. They're just finding a way to say "I wish I was marrying her"

>>102599131
good analogy, 'non

>>102582110
Yeah.

>>102570059 (OP)
Ai needs to replace 3dpd and then it will be perfect.

>>102583836
How would ai do asmr geniuene question

My oshi spends 40 minutes doing makeup before vtubing.

>>102590761
>probably
NTRenjoyers and not spending money are ironically a strong couple

>>102570059 (OP)
Money and attention
remember to subscribe

>>102591545
So by this logic, Nyanners marrying Lord Aethelstan and moving to his castle his acceptable because it's lore-accurate?

>>102576808
Superchat reading was always bad

>>102590563
>>102591002
Ljot is based, but a stoner.

>>102570059 (OP)
New Gura is a loli fish with cat ears that takes cares of a lighthouse that looks like a beach house

>>102606146
>If others do this then my favorite girl won't be on her leash anymore!
Isn't that just bringing to light what you realize deep down is her true nature? Can,'t you just find someone who doesn't do what you don't like and has fun, or has this little strunt from Nimi shattered your world of pretend so hard you can't go back without it sitting in the back of your mind?

>>102570389
she debuted months ago, it's been way longer than 0.00001 seconds redditposter

>>102570059 (OP)
Don't pretend that you care about any fantastical facets of the character other than it being a virgin older than 14yo and maybe lore-inspired porn.