Wow who figured that a company that gives all money to talents and earns 0 income was too good to be true?

Though I will have to admit, Gunrun was a master in terms of PR because it fucking worked like a charm until the day AmaLee joined the agency

KEK WHAT A KWAB

>>102574459 (OP)
Vshokeks win the KWABOTY

I am still waiting for proof from both side. Not gonna judge until there's some official statement or lawsuit.

>>102574664
Still Tony I'm afraid

What happened to the 11m$

>>102575250
Anon, you don't have a law degree, you don't have to pretend to be representing some court of law.

Is Hololive the only good corpo?

>>102577729
>Corpo
>Good
Pick one, anon.
>Publicly traded Corpo
>Not abysmal
Here too.

>>102577821
>Pick one, anon.
I pick Hololive then. The one that's both good and a corpo.

>>102577928
If you choose to be delusional then that's on you. I'm sure 5 talents quit in short succession because it's just such a damn good company.

>>102574459 (OP)
>Though I will have to admit, Gunrun was a master in terms of PR because it fucking worked like a charm until the day AmaLee joined the agency
Nijisanji unironically should learn from him/Vshojo on how they managed to keep so many scandals secret for so long. The charity thing was just the tip of the iceberg.

>>102574459 (OP)
>Behold my field of talents

>>102577996
How they managed to fool the vtubers from not calling out their lack of pay way earlier is a mystery.

>>102577996
Honestly? Vshojo collapsed in a day, Niji survived pushing a talent towards attempting suicide and then trying to smear and slander and harass her the following months when all she wanted was to part with the company. They also protected a sex pest and suspended his accuser and kept her in limbo for months while not investigating anything. Niji has survived far more, and worse, scandals than Vshojo managed to hide.

>>102577974
One wanted to have a happy life with her husband. I can't blame that.

>>102578082
Anon, companies convincing people not to share 'private' information to hide their scumbaggery is like the oldest trick in the book. Most people think it's bad manners to discuss salary for fucks sake.

>>102577974
Five talents quit (two for health reasons, one because Hololive doesn't allow marriages, and one who believes she "needs a real job). For a corpo that has 88 active talents and has existed for over seven years, that's actually quite impressive.

>>102578082
Supposedly from Nyanners and Vei they were forced to sign NDAs that prevented them from talking about contracts and company stuff with each other and other talents. Even after they left.
Basically they forced them through legal means to shut them up.

>>102578233
Doubt that was related anon, they were together before she even joined Holo. Only difference is now they're getting married. You could argue she is trying for a child and realised she didn't want her corporate obligations to go alongside that, but it doesn't explain all the others.

>>102578273
>Two for health reasons
That were caused in part by Holo. Yes. And that's real bad.
>One because Holo doesn't allow marriages
Came to you in a dream? Holo can't 'not allow' marriages, retard. If they did they would literally be a black company.
>One who believes she needs a real job
Catalogfag fuck off, that was never true and she's already back to streaming.

>>102578179
VShojo made the mistake of fucking over Ironmouse, their biggest member and the most sympathetic vtuber on the planet.
Mouse coming out against them was basically an auto-loss. Honestly, I'm surprised they were dumb enough to not keep Mouse happy/compliant in order to prevent this.

>>102578359
>Catalogfag fuck off
NTA but the irony here is palpable

>>102578300
>it doesn't explain all the oth-
I said one of them.

>>102574459 (OP)
Sadly when a deal seems too good to be true...

>>102578179
Niji fucked nobodies (except Selen killed NijiEN but not NijiJP) meanwhile VShojo fucked the mouse

If Riku dared to fuck Kuzuha then things WILL get bad for them, and stocks is the least of their concern

The only thing I don't really get, is that multiple Vshojo members have said now that they literally haven't been paid in a year or more.

Now, am I wrong in my memory, that in that same time frame Michi joined the company, and Ironmouse (who was ostensibly literally having all of her income withheld) was out here saying "Lol if your favorite Vtuber retires, have you checked Vshojo?"

It's just weird to me that you have people like Shylily, Mint, all these other outsider people saying THEY either were given contracts or straight up signed on with Vshojo, and in reading those contracts they saw that literally everything the company promised as far as support, money, access, etc. was nonexistant. But all of these people just were like "Welp, fuck it. I've got an NDA so I guess I have to not only say nothing, but actually say the opposite!"

Like, if all of the talents were dealing with withheld revenue, merch not being shipped out, lack of payment for their contracting artists, lack of delivering on contract promises, etc., who fucking cares about an NDA? Break the NDA, come out with the truth, and the falling dominoes will 100% break the company before they can slam you with a lawsuit over the contract. But none of them were willing, and I don't get why.

>>102574459 (OP)
>Wow who figured that a company that gives all money to talents and earns 0 income was too good to be true?

I fell for it because I thought they made money off of merch, and their actual involvement was so minimal they didn't need that much staff. I thought they were just a brand name to tie a bunch of otherwise independents together. That's how I fell for it.

>>102577974
One just cucked her fans so yagoo was right

>>102579218
I mean, that's literally what they said on the box, and it's the line all of their talents would push publicly. Every one of them repeated it. The problem is, we now know that they were saying the line, even despite the fact that their actual contracts were 100% the opposite.

>>102579199
You are underestimating the amount of legal trouble VShojo could have caused before yesterday if anyone under an NDA broke it. Their lawyers were like one of the few things they actually bothered paying good money for.
That said
>It's just weird to me that you have people like Shylily, Mint, all these other outsider people saying THEY either were given contracts or straight up signed on with Vshojo, and in reading those contracts they saw that literally everything the company promised as far as support, money, access, etc. was nonexistant. But all of these people just were like "Welp, fuck it. I've got an NDA so I guess I have to not only say nothing, but actually say the opposite!"
I don't think Shylily actually signed an NDA. So the fact that she didn't speak out at how bad the contracts were before this all happened was a little shitty on her part. But that's minor compared to what VShojo did of course

>>102579349
If you look at the "really bad things in the contract" it was like
>they take cuts from sponsors they didnt arrange
>their sponsor cut was 50% instead of 10%
>they had ownership of projects where they paid part of the cost
>negotiators promised things that werent included in the contract
If Shylily had "come out about the horrible contracts" it would have looked extremely petty and unprofessional because these are not really that bad. They're just a bad deal for Shylily in specific because she had enough leverage to demand better terms. As she said herself it would have been a good deal for a smaller vtuber who needed to build their brand, just not giant indies.

>>102578359
Cover can't forbid the talents from getting married but they can potentially forbid them from talking about their marriage on stream/twitter/while in character. And maybe Fauna really really REALLY wanted to tell the world that she's getting married.

I don't think that's what happened, I think she just wanted more money. But it's a funny scenario to think about.

>>102579349
>I don't think Shylily actually signed an NDA.
I don't remember if she said she did or not, but she did say when she talked about her being scouted and getting into contract negotiations with Vshojo that "just because she didn't like her contract, it wasn't a reason to go public and shit on the company and slander people".

Which, Imma be real, is a fucking bitch move. Yes, she's not directly harming anyone, but I hate when people sit on shit and then act like they knew the truth all along, and now it's safe to talk. No, bitch, if they gave you a contract that fucked you over so badly you ran the other way, then you should have said something. You think people giving money to these streamers would have done so if they knew that it was all getting sucked up by the corporation? Absolutely the fuck not.

qrd?

>>102579558
It would be one thing if lily herself was the only one offered a shitty deal. But pretty much every chuuba involved with vshojo got fucked over. Lot of people hurt in the process of this whole scheme. Who knows how many vtuber careers could have been saved or salvaged had this stuff gone public earlier?

>>102577974
>If you choose to be delusional then that's on you
YOU are the delusional one, hololive is a good company, no one said good is "perfect" thats a YOU problem anon, you are the retarded one, remember its vshojo who have "talent freedom bullshit" holo never lie about shit like that.
>I'm sure 5 talents quit in short succession because it's just such a damn good company
>talent retired from the corpo after being successfull and work for YEARS
yeah anon, we all know you are unemployed but this is a normal thing

>>102577928
>>102577928
Enjoy it while it lasts, last earnings call stockholders were complaining they were giving too much money to the talents and Yagoo was on defense pretty much the whole time.

>>102577622
Investments have to be repaid.

>>102574664
Still Phil.

>>102578273
>Hololive doesn't allow marriages

>>102579695
Vshojo took the money and ran
>what money
Every bit of money they could possibly take. Charity money, talent payments, they probably checked the coin return on all the vending machines in the office too.
CEO is probably criminally liable for the charity money and civilly liable for a lot more, but is also probably hiding in Bangcoc right now while his entire talent pool quits in the span of a few hours.

I remember being called delusional and a retard for saying that there's no way they arent bleeding money with that business model

>>102574459 (OP)
Isn't it a bit too fishy that Mouse didn't notice that she was being stolen when Nyanners, Vei and others did?

Is she stupid or was she colluding with management to steal from the others?

I mean, there's noone getting blamed for any of this and she's the only one winning out of EVERYTHING that happened in the last 24 hours...

>>102579733
That's what I'm saying. I mean, yes, I get what >>102579517 is saying, maybe that's an "industry standard" contract for something like Hololive where you are not joining them as a streamer, you're joining as a full-time employee who pilots a branded character owned by them, goes where they tell you to go, says what they tell you to say, plays what they allow you to play, etc., etc.

But for the corp that branded itself as a hands-off company where the streamers are functionally independent, just with some extra support behind the scenes bought with a small cut of their sales revenue, doling out lock-down contracts that take over every aspect of a new onboards' money making is beyond scummy.

Especially if they only started doing that after the initial talent wave, meaning that they started out intending to be one thing (or maybe not), but ended up shifting to having to grab up as much new talent money as they could to like, Ponzi scheme their shit, I guess?

>>102577729
Glitch Stars is also good

>>102579005
>Niji fucked nobodies
>except Selen
retarded anonchama lmao
>If Riku dared to fuck Kuzuha then things WILL get bad for them
thats the problem, thats just showing how shit they are, the only one matters are the top dog, which mean they FUCKED other liver,contrary to your previous claim they fucked nobodies and that mean kuzuha can be asshole and be safe? thats just make it worse.
>not NIJIJP
the only REASON why nijiJP still alive is because they can "SILENCE" people there, threatening to sue everyone who expose their shit, if its not because of that, nijiJP already dead too like every single one of their intl branch

>>102579842
>Isn't it a bit too fishy that Mouse didn't notice that she was being stolen when Nyanners, Vei and others did?

I'm getting the sense that literally none of them actually interact off-stream in any sort of business sense. They probably just have their managers handle everything and they all just don't talk about the problems at all (or they don't talk to one another period).

>>102579550
>And maybe Fauna really really REALLY wanted to tell the world that she's getting married
but why?

>>102579892
See you in a year or two after the very same situation happens to their talents.

>>102579842
>ironmouse stole her own money somehow
For sure man.

>>102579892
>Glitch Stars
>new vshojo
lol, lmao even, u guys just NEVER LEARN huh? well i'm, just gonna laught at u guys again just like what happen with vshojo now later KEK

>>102579842
Not double checking every paycheck is the norm, anon. If you aren't living on a technically-legally-not-poverty tier wage you don't need to worry about money all that much and don't have to watch for that direct deposit to come in before you get mcdonalds. And if you do notice an issue, "Sorry things are a bit of a mess here the payments late but it'll be to you soon" will placate you for months. All this goes double for the vshojo since theybwere still getting the superchats and shit since gunrun doesn't touch that, and double again for mouse because she specifically relinquished some control over her finances to vshojo becuase she hates dealing with money.

>>102577821
As opposed to the based "fund my wedding" and "I stream IRL 90% of the time" indies?

>>102579975
Vshojo was stealing from every talent, if she colluded with management and vouched for them then of course the rest wouldn't ask questions and now she suddenly was getting stolen without noticing for months/years?

Is she THAT stupid or was she working with them?

>>102574459 (OP)

>>102579931
Trying too hard faggot

>>102579964
>rrat
She revels in unicorn tears
>probable real reason
She doesn't like having to keep it a secret while GFE-ing on stream. It's effectively lying to people after all.

They're going to all get doxxed by Gunrun for leaving like this. Just you watch.

>>102579842
>Is she stupid
Unironically yes
Somehow even Nyanners managed to realize this whole thing was a ponzi scheme before Ironmouse did

>>102580053
Everyone, including Ironmouse, was getting stolen from. They noticed it, but the company kept placating them with promises they'd get paid soon. There is no realistic scenario where Ironmouse is somehow responsible, if she was actually the one stealing the money she wouldn't have come out and blown up her own ponzi scheme.

Good. These schemes are to be brought to legal court and puts pressure on Twitch, YouTube and Kick on further regulations of how content creators make money and charity being directly funded not by middle men and third parties.

All in all. It's all a graft of the wealthy taking tributes from the lessor worthwhile people who sees them as a beacon of pure goodness but ironically in the end they are not. Both the ex- members and the company is complicit in the scheme and I for one want to see how the legal system in the US tackles the Japanese Legality system in regards of where the money truly flows and who is telling truths and who is lying because in Vtubing. Majority lies behind false eyes.

Pride before the fall and it was a long time coming. Both for its ex-members and for the corporation.

Ironmouse the Grafter tenure lasted joined VShojo on November 24, 2020, and left on July 21, 2025. This means she was with VShojo for approximately 4 years and 7 months.

Millions of dollars swindled. Any proof hasn't been given just trust her sweet honeyed words and her affiliations in sending them more money.

Pikame / Henya The Schemer scheme lasted for officially left VShojo on July 22, 2025, which was yesterday.

She joined VShojo on May 14, 2023.

From May 14, 2023, to May 14, 2024, is 12 months. From May 14, 2024, to July 14, 2025, is another 14 months (June, July). From July 14, 2025, to July 22, 2025, is 8 days.

So, it's 12 + 14 = 26 months and 8 days.

Kson the Belligerent scheme has lasted for Kson joined VShojo in July 2022 and officially left on July 22, 2025. Therefore, Kson was with VShojo for approximately 3 years. To calculate the exact number of days: * From July 16, 2022 (VShojo debut) to July 16, 2025, would be 3 full years. * From July 16, 2025, to July 22, 2025, is an additional 6 days. So, Kson was with VShojo for 3 years and 6 days.

Pulled the wool over many eyes but mine.

Zentreya the Deceiver scheme lasted for Zentreya joined VShojo on November 24, 2020, and officially left on July 11, 2025.

To calculate his tenure in months:

* From November 2020 to November 2024 is 4 years, or 4 \times 12 = 48 months.

From November 2024 to July 2025 is 8 months.

So, his total tenure was approximately 48 + 8 = 56 months.

I consider this a win. Legal courts will have a field day with this.

>>102579973
>>102579982
trust the spider, guys

>>102577690
>Doubt that was related anon, they were together before she even joined Holo.
Different guy. That one got married and spooked her badly.

My only regret is I didn't screenshot the post said Vshojo is future of ENVtuber

>>102578411
They could easily destroy her by doxxing her, what could they lose from it anyway?

but somehow there's no legal actions going on?

>>102579199
Isn't it weird how at the same day that Vshojo "the good corpo" died horribly, Nimi came out revealing that holo talents could be hiding their bf/engagements just like her and hence damaging the image of corpos in favor of indies?

and who is the biggest and most powerful indie? Isn't Iron Mouse the main winner of this entire situation?

>>102580184
Why is this spider holding the pic of a random woman

>>102574459 (OP)
>11 million dollars in angel investor money
>constant revenue from merch sales
>very few employees
If they ran out of money it was clearly just pure incompetence

>>102579964
Her boyfriend forced her

>>102579964
woman disease

>>102580284
>Vshojo is future of ENVtuber
He's not wrong

>>102581129
Ongoing rrat is that there is a former manager blackmailing indies with personal info, so Fauna revealed her marriage so she cannot be fucked with that.

>>102574459 (OP)
I don't understand how all these talents discovered "recently" that they weren't paid since last year? Even Henya went... "oops i didn't get paid and i just found out." WTF is that? Honestly at this point if i was Gunrun i would just release something on Mouse and leave.

>>102580139
Based schizo. If you aren't the same person, you could sure give that Sinder apologist who made a doc full of bible verses a run for his money.

>>102581635
They didn't discover it recently. It's more that management kept promising they will pay them soon and convinced them for so long.
It also didn't just start last year, it's been happeing for years and was part of why the trio left in 2023

>>102581635
They thought they were alone in the not getting paid so thought they couldnt say mich. Now the cat is out of the bag and basically the company ceased to exist so no nda to hold them back

Damn, if only Gura had joined now That would have been the icing on the cake

>>102579550
My schizo rrat is still the best explanation. She is marrying Kronii and management said that talents cannot be married to each other.

>>102580019
if a company isn't making payroll you need to have bailed yesterday

>>102580295
The company basically went bankrupt but didn't told anyone. Now everyone quit and they only have debts. If anything they could get sued for not paying the owed money to the talents.

>cons of joining vshojo: none

>>102580295
>but somehow there's no legal actions going on?
Did you even watch Mouse's video or literally anyone's reaction to it? She said that's happening twice in it.
>They could easily destroy her by doxxing her, what could they lose from it anyway?
The fact that she's taking them to court means she could very well get doxxed in the process and she's going through with it anyways and Mouse is probably very much aware. They did something so cartoonishly evil to her that she's going this far.

>>102582088
Mini mouse is probably already of age anyway.

Guys, I’m checking the news streams, and in addition to the regular news sites like Dexerto, SiliconEra, and other popular culture sites covering the story, there was also articles from Sports Illustrated and Newsweek. Has vtubing truly hit the mainstream? There’s also, for some reason, quite a bit of coverage from a lot of Indian news sites, like Indian Times and Hindustan Times. Don’t tell me the jokes about pajeets in the chat were true all this time.

>>102579733
lmao, don't be dramatic. Only rich fucks were screwed because their own hubris. In hindsight I find all the fallout very amusing.

>>102579842
Vei is way smarter than she seems and Nyan has a boyfriend that's also smarter than her. Mouse probably hoped that the money issues would be sorted out eventually.

THe thing that i am most sad about is the Mint idol group idea. I Wonder who the other 2 people were

>>102578082
Funny that it shows their pay isn't critical to them. If I missed even two weeks worth of pay I'd be in the ditches and I would raise hell with my employer.

>>102582149
There are VTubers all around the world now and Ironmouse and Kson are some of the most famous streamers around. VShojo was the third biggest EN company and so the fact that it collapsed overnight is a big deal.

>>102582149
I think
>company steals 500k from charity
is a decent news story most days

>>102582556
Shit happens every day and doesn’t get coverage. No, this is a changing of the tides. Get ready for the tourist infestation in the coming months.

>>102579770
no shit but the idea is that that's profits from all the cool stuff you buy from the investment and put it together in the way you specialize in

>>102582493
There’s a difference between having a 9 to 5 and doing contract work.

>>102574459 (OP)
Wait, what did AmaLee do to trigger VShoujo downfall?

>>102581539
Doesn't make sense. More likely Nimi watched the big drama of VShojo and understood that nobody would pay attention to her and it would be memory holed.

>>102578236
>Most people think it's bad manners to discuss salary for fucks sake
good to see someone else also thinks this, I call this shit out everywhere I see to level the playing field

>>102582493
Their main source of income is from Twitch subs and donations. The debt seems related to merch and events.

>>102574459 (OP)
You know if they took 1% of their talent's income then they'd likely have been fine.

>>102580072
Seethe sister

>>102581635
Honestly, I think they make so much already they probably never thought about it. Even the shitters like Kuro own multiple houses.

It adds up I’m sure but week to week month to month I could see it going unmentioned.

>>102582680
That makes sense in terms of timing but why would she reveal her marriage at all? Most chuubas don't reveal such information.

>not a single person who got conned and scammed by them FOR YEARS said ANYTHING all this time
>only after Ironmouse comes out with this you suddenly get everyone else going "me too"

The fuck. Absolutely no spine from all those girls. Were they just going to sit around and not get paid a few more years before saying anything?

>>102582719
>burn through 11 million dollars in three years
Nah nothing could save them.

>>102582788
This. I hate this shit so much. Things go shit sideways and then suddenly all the fuckers come out of the woodwork
>I knew it was bad all along
>see, I always had a hunch
>look how smart I am, I didn’t get fooled
Fuck those people.

>>102582788
Realistically, the only one who could have taken down VShojo was Ironmouse. It had to be her since she's untouchable.
Anyone else going first would have gotten destroyed in a hate wave by vshojo stans and corpo shills.

So who's left?

>>102582861
Ironically, Mouse and Kson would have probably buried them.

>>102582788
That's how women are, anon. Scammers like these prey on women's empathy, passiveness and natural desire to avoid conflict.

>>102582861
That's how they probably felt, but the payment thing was a house of cards. The moment someone went public others would follow.

>>102581057
God they could've skimmed off some trivial amount off every paycheck and never get caught but they decided to get greedy like they were some startup blowing up.

anyone with more than half a brain could have realized that Vshojo was a typical rat scam when the "brand" started off with only some vouching from existing e-celebs and the brand itself seemingly only existing to be counter to the JP corps without actually offering a product it created under the brand

>>102582908
women are indistinguishable from children mentally

>>102582885
Literally no one but Froot and Froot is probably sleeping or some shit

>>102582960
>and Froot is probably sleeping or some shit
Yeah, with Mr g

>>102582885
>>102582960
Froot just announced she's out.

>>102582861
Nyanners might have been able to do it back in 2022-2023 since she'd have likely gotten Mouse on her side, but she of course was autistic and probably thought it would somehow cause everyone to hate her if she took down VShojo

>>102582849
Several possible reasons:
1) Cope and belief that those are temporarily hardships
2) Shit has trickled down, and the big picture mostly went under the radar until it was too big to hide. Maybe there was just one push (e.g. Mouse learning about charity) and that forced the rest to put everything into perspective and learning how deep the fuckup is.
3) If one person comes out, it's a blip on the radar.
Sayu, for example. All talents dropping the company is WAY more destructible.

Sorry for rambling, I am trying to fix my sleeping schedule, so I am fucking sleepy as hell.

I don't understand why Vshojo is even involved with handling money at all if the talent gets to keep 100%. Why wouldn't it just go directly into their bank account like everyone else?

>>102582788
>>102582849
Lack of pro-union propaganda and constant anti-communism results in a generation of people being completely obedient to corporations, and signing illegal NDAs forbidding them to discuss pay.

>>102580565
that's Mogu

>>102583123
>>102583223
Either way, it comes off as trying to capitalize on something for brownie points.

>>102583534
Get a job, get abused by a corpo, and then refuse to join the chorus when it comes out you were all lied to, and had your wages stolen, because you don't want to be seen as "trying to capitalize on something for brownie points".

Fucking worthless NEET.

Gura wasn't dummy enough to join v-shojo.

Those rules of keeping the company data as secrets never made sense on any contract.

Who's dumb enough to fall for that?
You can't even discuss your own salary with your friends? Really?

That nonsense is not even in south american company.

vtubing studios are in militar bases or what?.

Everoyne knows that every vtuber girl was never pure, fans that throw money at another man's woman trought the internet know that too.

the company achieves nothing at revealing it.
Is just petty revenge.

>>102577729
No but Phase Connect is.

>>102583652
None of these were from past livers though. They were just people who had contact with the company in the past. Tell me, what the fuck was Bao or Shylily going to know about how the company is ran? They’re just shooting off to pile on a situation.

>>102583466
But why is he holding her pic. Also who.

>>102577729
Lol, LMAO

>>102577622
This whole thing happened because the 11mil have been spent. Happens to every startup with no working business model.

>>102579931
If anything, Niji fucking over Selen only really fucked over Nijisanji's english branch, which is damaging, especially abroad, but not something that will kill the main Nijisanji branch in Japan. Their biggest loss is that they essentially can't build their brand in the west.

VShojo fucking over Ironmouse however is significantly worse because Ironmouse is their standout talent, especially after the talents that handled the PR for the company left.

>>102574459 (OP)
>be Gunrun
>be paid in private equity shares
>include clause in talent contract if they quit the give up their shares and all goes to him
>take in money and only pay staff/actual employees but don't pay any contractors like talents or artists
>all that cash goes into slush account only CEO and CTO can access
>sell merch but only pay to make and ship 80% and keep 20% as cash in company account
>more cash into slush account
>collect $500k for charity but don't pay, just put in slush account
>cause scandal so every talent to voluntarily quits
>own 20%+ of shares
>announce Vshojo will cease all activities
>declare bankruptcy
>cash from slush account paid out to shareholders
>shareholders get paid out first
>everyone else gets nothing
>walk away a multimillionaire
He basically rug pulled the entire company.

>>102579769
>stockholders were complaining
So? That's not Cover's problem. It's the stockholders problem if they chose to hold stocks in something. They can go sell their stocks if they don't like it.

>>102578359
>That were caused in part by Holo. Yes. And that's real bad.
Health related issues from work are a common thing and not indicative of much of anything. There are people who quit working at mcdonalds or walmart for health reasons.

>>102579199
Yeah, the Mouse definitely is more involved in this than she wishes everyone believe she is. She'll probably get away with it again, but surviving this close call is the beginning of the end.

They all learned by Amouranth.

>>102578082
There's a bunch of ways they probably did it. NDAs are one. Another is social pressure: "Anon, the company is low on cash this month, we'd really appreciate it if you helped us out. We'll pay you back with interest when the money starts coming in."

Also, reputation is everything. No one wants to be known as a troublemaker. If you know anything about the comic book industry, you will know that all the publishers, including Marvel and DC, regular take months or years to pay people, and if you complain about it, you're labeled a "troublemaker" and they don't give you anymore work. I am very sure a similar dynamic was in play here.

Also, have you noticed how many corpo bootlickers are screeching about Kson and Ironmouse being "greedy" and calling them "entitled millionaires" for demanding the money owed to them? You'd see 10x those kinds of posts if Kson and Ironmouse had complained after 1 to 2 months of not being paid. I am willing to bet they'd have lost the PR war. They're only winning now because the non-payment is so egregious even the bootlickers can't cover for vShojo.

>try to play good guy by buying graduated corpo vtumor
>is the blackest of all

>>102585755
The irony is exquisite, isn't it?

I think it is devilish to still have been hiring people when they couldn't consistently pay the talents that they currently had

>>102579287
Does mythic do the same, then?

>>102583918
it's a joke edit of duellogs from /gsg/ to make him resemble Sunnysplosion. Sunny and Mogu are two ex-nijis from TTT.

>>102574459 (OP)
>Ironmouse is propped up to be the "Queen of Twitch"
>doesn't make enough money to keep her company afloat (without stealing charity money)

>>102586748
>doesn't make enough money to keep her company afloat (without stealing charity money)
What did you expect when they have to pay all the employees and managements wages including big ceo wages

>>102574459 (OP)
>and earns 0 income
they literally took 50% cuts of the merch money, by far the biggest rev

>>102577622
"to grow the vtuber community"
the fuck does that even mean? that's so obviously a scam.

>>102577729
>corpo
>good

>>102577622
Connor had a pretty good point on his stream about how they did advertisements in a very busy part of Tokyo. The ads cost something like $1 mil a week. Just incredible waste.

>>102585484
make no sense when vshojo most defend since forever was they are not corpo.

Was there ever a chance of this company being solvent? Seems like once they started playing actual vtuber corp and provided original models for the ex-nijis the writing was on the wall financially.

>>102578179
>Dramafag still trying to spread lies about Niji
Is GunRun still paying you or are you doing it for free?

>>102582958
t.

>>102575250
Translation for people with a brain: "I am going to purposely ignore the fact that every talent, including talent that hasn't made their debut yet, has come out against the company. Many of them are saying the same thing and corroborating eachothers stories. I should bury my head in my own ass while I wait for vshitshow to tell me how I feel about this."

>The biggest "I fell for it" of the century
Not anymore

For how long gunrun global twitch emote will be active

>dont get a portion of stream revenue
>have no money
>talents suck at selling merch
>have no money
Any corpo that doesnt get a 50 of the talent money is just asking to be closed in a few years. Is the sad truth of it.
Being a corpo is expensive

>>102579695
VShojo is worse than Nijisanji

I wonder if Phase Connect or Hololives will start poaching the talent and employees.

>>102579833
holy fucking based

>>102579695
Vshoujo wasn't paying members for years. They also ran corporate espionage to spread drama about Hololive and mostly Nijisanji so they could poach their talents

>>102579199
The new hires may have been offered better contract terms to start/been paid on time with the plan to drop it at a later date once they were more established

>>102595962
It really does seem like they felt like they had to start scrambling to onboard people so they could create a Ponzi scheme to use the bigger cuts of new talents' earnings to pay the back-dated paychecks of the ones they made less off of. Or, that seems like it might have been the plan, but then they mismanaged their shit and ended up not paying anyone and streamers started leaving.

>>102579842
Silver said something along the lines of her and Mouse not having spoken to each other in six months when she left. So, it would not surprise me in the slightest if most of the talents only ever interacted on screen.
>>102580019
That being said, it is completely fucking delusional to think they are ALL stupid enough to just not notice they weren't getting paid. And the way they all came out one-by-one to reveal all of their problems should make anyone turn their heads. It's like when women come out of nowhere all at once to say some celebrity or politician raped them sixty years ago.

>>102582788
The dirty little secret is that they were all getting kickbacks from what Vshojo stole. It was only Mouse's ability to deflect all criticism with 'muh illness' that lets her get out of this scot-free.

>>102595781
Nobody who was in Vshojo attempted suicide, so i'd say Nijisanji is still worse.

>>102578179
>They also protected a sex pest and suspended his accuser and kept her in limbo for months while not investigating anything
Why do you go around spreading a false narrative, are you that drama Vtuber with a personal beef against Niji?

>>102596539
As far as we know so far, Vshojo did allow there talents get harassed over the wizard game.

>>102596539
>Implying Silvervale didn't make some visit to the white coat resort during her Vshojo days

>>102574459 (OP)
nah the biggest "I fell for it" of the century is the MAGA movement.

this vshojo thing is the biggest "I fell for it" in vtuber history... so far.

>>102577729
prism was the only good one

>>102598093
What about Voms, or did Pikamee carry that entire company

>>102596539
>Nobody was mentally ill enough to blame their suicide attempt on a company so stealing from talents and charities isn't as bad
lol

>>102595783
Phase would be the only one stealing talent and even then being a ligger is still far better than cucking out to Phase.

>>102579931
baffling post bruh.

>>102595915
>Vshoujo wasn't paying members for years
why did nobody say anything?

>>102598706
Mousey has huge cash reserves and let them handle all money so she didn't notice
The rest only had them do merch so they had enough money to consider it a problem for later, not an immediate emergency.
So all of them could accept that it's just a temporary problem on their end and the company will totally fix it, not "we're flat broke". When the first ones did notice what's going on and left, heavy NDA stopped them from going public.

What are the costs of running a vtuber agency anyway?
It's not like they are buying building materials every week and $500k+ heavy machinery to do their job.
The costs of entering the business are not cheap, sure, but what about after that? The models are done and rigged, decent PCs are bought and running, what could possibly bleed so much money month after month?

>>102599183
employees

>>102599183
Staff, SF office and warehouse space, ads, commissions

People are always falling for grifts, all you have to do is promise them you'll make them a big star and they'll apparently let you take their paychecks for years, sign agreements on your behalf without you knowing and control who you can and can't talk to. Seth is associated with ex-Vshojo, a few former MSM members and Vshojo CEOS and is currently working behind the scenes at novel horizon trying to build back up. They will never learn.

>>102599353

>>102599353
Seth also didn't pay artists and staff for years at MSM but no one called him out publically because they didn't want to look stupid, so he's still grifting vtubers to this day.

>>102599353
careful! if you criticize one of (((them))), you will find yourself breathing down the gunbarrels of the ICEstapo (MOSSAD's american enforcer gang), and you'll be eating rotten peas in el salvador for a few years. israel is your friend, goy, remember that.

>>102579199
women don't care about the solubility or profitability of a company as long as they can do what they want to do

Besides, it's easy to lure them with nice words like “talent freedom”.

The fewer men you have in your inner circle, the more likely you are to fall for it. Who was the first to jump off Vshojo's boat? Nyanner...

Besides, it's easy to lure them with nice words like “talent freedom”.

The fewer men you have in your inner circle, the more likely you are to fall for it. Who was the first to jump off Vshojo's boat? Nyanner...


Practically it is correlative that they find a bf = they get out of Vshojo.

>>102577729
Hololive, some of the Brave Group corpos (few), then, for some reason, Phase... PRISM was cool but they ran out of money and decided to close shop instead of doing whatever the fuck Gunrun did... Idol also tried, but the CEO was foolish and when they ran out of money he sold the bag to Brave Group so at least Idol still exists to some degree... Somewhat.

>>102578179
Japs don't care about workers' rights, lmao

>>102581057
The beginning of the fall was the Tokyo Ads.
One of the areas that they rented costs above 1 million a week. How long were the ads up?, also, how many ads they had across other places in Japan?, at worst over 3-4 million quite literally disappeared in a week. In a fucking week.

>>102582149
Kojimbo literally put Pekora on every PS that bought Death Stranding 2. We are accelerating again.

>>102600185
false

>>102582885
No one.
Although it would be funny as fuck if they somehow still manage to recruit the most desperate chuubas imaginable later if the entire thing doesn't dissolve in a few days. Even the hellhole of what was once WACTOR still exists to some degree under a different name now.

>>102574459 (OP)
Gunrun is about to get legally gangbanged anyway unless he kills himself first

I don't blame Gunrun. I blame Ironmouse, Zentreya, and everyone else who signed up with Vshojo. They knew shit was broken, they knew something was sus. But they kept pushing their friends and contacts to join Vshojo because they knew that if you get fresh punts in the agency would get more income and maybe, just maybe, they'd be paid what Vshojo had stiffed them from what the new blood had brought in. They were preying on indies hoping to get their payday from scamming them.

The only reason this blew up is because Ironmouse knew nobody would ever be big enough to pay her that $500k. That's it.

>>102577622
They spent it on shilling on 4chan and those Convention Booths they always bragged about. Also a lot probably went to "travel".

>>102600454
For what? His company failed. That's not a crime. Gunrun might be held civilly liable for breach of contract but without funds or income nobody is going to get anything from it. And if Vshojo declares chapter 7 then that's it. He's free and clear.

>>102600628
If they actually did spend all that money on the company, yes. But the lawyers will pour over those books to see if Gunrun pocketed any of it.

>>102600724
Of course he pocketed some of it. He paid himself a salary.

>>102600258
and with nothing to show for it

>>102582788
they were likely scared of NDA and lawyers. With the mouse revealing the charity scam, they knew that vshojo was bankrupt and can't afford lawyers now.

>>102577622
It all went into the JP ad campaign when they signed Kson and Nazuna on, animation projects, and upfront payment for Kson and Nazuna's contracts.

>>102600840
salary needs to be justified. you can't just pay yourself 10M salary per year and expect to get away with it at vshojo level company.

>>102600628
Because the dip shit broke more federal laws than i care to name off for you

>>102600510
Yeah everyone in Vshojo was somewhat culpable for playing hot potato with this, tbdesu

>>102598208
>the black company is blameless
Ogey sister

>>102586748
They were stealing her money too which probably dwarfed the charity amount. Considering the entire 1 mill probably passed through their hands from the subathon plus all she's made from sponsors and merch drops through them and she was their biggest earner by a mile. If they owed Kson a few hundred thousand, god knows what Mouse had made.
So the question is where did the fucking money go? Did Gunrun have some crazy Squid Game tier debts?

>>102580036
Don't forget to wipe your mouth when you're finished.

>>102582067
You bet your ass the IRS is looking at that missing half million charity with the biggest fucking boner

>>102599327
Staff and office were probably big killers, I won't be surprised if it was full of nepohires that gunrun paid massive salaries to.

How long do you guys think it'll be before VShojo/Gunrun make a public statement? I imagine they're up to their nutsack in discussions with their lawyers right now but inevitably they're going to have to publicly acknowledge that they are accused of stealing money from not just Mouse but all the donators who understood their money was to go to charity. That doesn't even touch on the alleged withholding of wage payment from their talent and people outside the company.

>>102604775
Number 1 rule of surviving grifting when it goes wrong. Never admit you've done anything wrong. Just disappear and pretend nothing happened when you come back.
Ideally in a new group that have no clue about your rep.

>>102604775
At this moment he is somewhere in Mexico with a bag of Money.

Website gone, Shop Gone, no communication to staff in any way. This Guy is on the Run

>>102599954
You're a yying ass nigga. GTFOH

>>102578179
Truth

Well sir, there ain't nothing on Earth like a genuine, bona-fide “Talent First” VShojo.