Thread 102580163

Freshly Squeezed and Still Warm Edition

Welcome to /xvsj+/! A thread to discuss vtubers who were once associated with a hot pink company.

Keep things comfy, etc.

Image source: https://x.com/Legendofgod0/status/1946984053607186749

/xvsj+/ includes:
Amalee - https://www.twitch.tv/leeandlie
Froot - https://www.twitch.tv/apricot
Geega - https://www.twitch.tv/geega
Haruka - https://www.twitch.tv/harukakaribu
Henya - https://www.twitch.tv/henyathegenius
Hestia - https://www.twitch.tv/hestiahappiness
Hime - https://www.twitch.tv/hajime
Hotaru - https://www.twitch.tv/akatsukidhotaru
Kson - https://www.twitch.tv/ksonsouchou
Kuro - https://www.twitch.tv/k9kuro
Mata - https://www.twitch.tv/matarakan
Mel - https://www.twitch.tv/projektmelody
Michi - https://www.twitch.tv/michimochievee
Mouse - https://www.twitch.tv/ironmouse
Nagi - https://www.twitch.tv/NagIsekaied
Nazuna - https://www.twitch.tv/amemiyanazuna
Nyan - https://www.twitch.tv/nyanners
Peke - https://www.twitch.tv/pekeispeak
Silver - https://www.twitch.tv/silvervale
Vei - https://www.twitch.tv/vei
Zen - https://www.twitch.tv/zentreya

Related:
/999/ + /総長/ + /nova/ + /voms/ for Japanese talents once associated with a hot pink company
/lig/ and /big/ for more generalized + and friends discussion

Previous thread: >>102576211

>>102580163 (OP)
>Not adding Mint to the OP despite the poll being in favor
You are a colossal faggot.

Vei won

I love lewd waifu Mouse
I love Mouse

This is just a loyalty test by Gunrun. He planned to give the money back after a while.

OP YOU FAG ADD THE NEW GRILS

>>102580270
The org is dead there is no new girls

守りたい、この笑顔...

does anyone have pics of new girls?

>autistic OP arguments
we're so back

>>102580270
Why. I don’t even know who the fuck they are

>the charity is a 700k
Some of you guys are all right

>>102580308
whomest

Mouse is finally tweeting something else
>>102580308
Good to hear.

VShojo offered to this guy for 2 million dollars
https://x.com/CL207/status/1947911415651512533

Not gonna lie, VShojo realizing that they could have gotten a warehouse and investing on it last minute JUST after seeing Bricky's, is gotta be one of the times I realized how stupid they are, like why did they never think of doing merch like that?

Before arguing about adding the new girls to the OP, let's at least wait until Thursday for their group stream. If anyone from VShojo shows up to acknowledge them, then add them, if not, they're unrelated.

>>102580332
jp staff

>>102580229
Poll was also in favor of adding the future gen yesterday.

Fuck it
Put Bat in the OP too, cuz why not

>>102580343
>June 2021
lmao 7 months after it launched

>>102580343
Elon will buy Vshojo and rename it X-shojo

>>102580411
No it's from June 21, 2025. Look at the message date.

>>102580232
Who

>>102580411
Wait nevermind I'm retarded. That was June 21st of this year. Not nearly as bad but still lol I wonder who was sending that message

>>102580421
Good thing we already renamed the thread in advance then

>>102580438
apologize

>>102580453
apologize to who?

>>102580343
lol Gun was trying to get a bagholder. Fuck this dude.

>>102580343
Ngl, if I was mousey or Kson and heard that they were "selling me" and my friends for JUST 2 million, I would have melted down too.

>>102580421
Don't even joke about it.
You will bring it into reality like the anon who kept saying VShojo was a scam (real).

>>102580421
the everything corp blaze your shojo

>>102580438
Ohmygod chaaaaaaaat (That's like the only thing I remember about Veibae)

I miss mouse.

>>102580163 (OP)
I want to dive in.

OP, you are a Gunrun

>>102580495
We know gunrun, now just declare bankruptcy already

>>102580491
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkUiQD9G_G0

op is a faggot

>>102580345
Wait so where the fuck were they keeping the merch?

op is a really nice guy

769k reached, nice

>>102580358
This. If they get brought into the fold and I legitimately hope they do then yes go for it. Otherwise this is basically just composite /vsj+/ without the corpo and I think that's good.

>>102580343
>desu it just look a team that never ran a business before
That's the best way to really bury VShojo
That's it.
God this is so infuriating

>>102580148
Bro he was actually thinking about joining as himself mouse asked a while ago to chat if they be interested in seeing Connor join vshojo in a big way

>>102580343
WEW LAD

Threadly reminder that we lost a monstergirl gen and an idol gen, both consisting of amazing passionate girls.

>>102580556
Talent houses.
Gunrun property.
Shipping containers.
Wasn't even made in some cases.
LOL.

>>102580556
up gunrun's asshole
he has a lot of experience shoving his head up there

>>102580389
This person is retarded and speaking out their ass. Mouse literally says the first IDF donation went through without a issue, and she has receipts of such; its the following subathons that were never given as donation.

>venture capital rrat was real
>merch rrat was real
The Tarkov rrat has to become real!

>>102580617
this person is a literal millionaire and has actually seen vshojo's financial books, which mouse hasn't.

>>102580400
this

>>102580524
who

>>102580598
(You) Reminder that it would have been catastrophic to their future had they been forced to stream without pay.
Kson survived because she does money in other ways and doesn't spend like a retard.

>>102580343
Huh, two million isn't as deep in the hole as I thought they'd be.

>>102580556
If you ever received VShojo's merch, it was mostly delivered from San Francisco. It went from manufacturer, to somewhere in San Francisco (it wasn't the office) and then to where you live.

three things can happen i think
1. vshojo gets quietly disbanded
2. gun makes a statement and disbands vshojo
3. gun sues everyone for breaking nda

>>102580617
Anon. That's a real millionaire. One that knows finance. Not an old money trust fund baby that doesn't even know how conversion rates work. That nigga KNOWS what he's saying.

>>102580677
It's about what I figured just based on napkin math. I don't know if that includes the 500k or not tho

>>102580564
It was at 700 flat like an hour ago, why did it speed up all of a sudden

>>102580671
Not saying they should have streamed without getting paid, just saying that because of the company's incompetence they didn't get what they deserved and we didn't get something good.

>>102580671
They still owould have gotten their stream income, and for a debuting talent that would be a huge sub and bits bomb + a significant CCV boost. Not to defend the obvious shittiness but that would definitely have been enough for them to get by initially.

>>102580617
He's talking about the 500k that went missing that was supposed to go to the charity you illiterate dipshit

>>102580708
Vshojo already loudly disbanded.

Chat, why is nobody here a billionaire? You could have saved us.

>>102580657
And he's fucking her by either revealing information her lawyers need to have (either the books themselves or proof that the original donation she states having a receipt for is fake) or he's lying.

>>102580767
i mean officially as a company pedant

>>102580776
Honestly if I was making that kind of money I'd have gladly bought VShojo for only 2 mil lmao

>>102580677
in 2021

>>102580708
VShojo already disbanded, talents left, new talents dropped.
Staff has also left, there's nothing but upper management.
>>102580776
I'm gonna be honest, the more we here, the more we realize that it wasn't the money given, it was how they were using the money.

The dispute between Mouse and Zen was actually fabricated by Vshojo employees

>>102580573
incompetence is just much more typical than malfeasance

>>102580730
>>102580745
Hoping Mousey helps with exposure but even then, their chances at making it now are astronomically low. VShojo was their golden ticket. Even if it was all torn and twisted. Now all of them are going to be literal who's with no future forever. They will only be remembered for being fucked over by VShojo and their poor planning.

>>102580776
It would be very inappopriate to slide into Geega's DMs after buying out vshojo.

>>102580822
A lot of the drama probably was.

>>102580776
If you gave the retards at VShojo a billion. They would have blown through it too. They don't know how to handle any expenses. Much less how returns work or have to be expected. If any.

>>102580822
Or maybe it was all just in your head
In your head
ZOMBIE, ZOMBIE, ZOMBIE, EH, EH, EH

>>102580840
>2 preshojos, 2 idolfags, and 1 web browser

>>102580343
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WCFUGCOLLU

Thread theme

Remember to add Tori, Phoebe, Beri and Piapi to the OP

>>102580890
I don't think that would have been possible. A billion is a LOT of money. If they went through 6-11 in 5 years being that wasteful they wouldn't have stiffed a single payment even if they were deep in the red if they had a billion to work with.

>>102580939
I mean technically they went over 11 because they ran out of money and by all accounts owe probably 1-2 million in debts to the talents and charity alone

Remember to keep the OP as it is

I like Silbur

>>102580822
At this point I'd believe it

>>102580939
Anon...
That's not even me but hyperbole exists

Why the fuck did Gunrun run VShojo like he had infinite money like on Twitch?
The fact that they actually got quality talents say that the operations part wasn't the problem

>>102580840
That girl looks familiar...

>>102580997
Imagine if Gunrun cleans his hands saying that the finance guy did it

>>102580997
Because he was in denial and convinced eventually the company would be profitable and dig itself out of the red. Obviously, that didn't happen.

>>102580837
They were already established creators with a decent following aka 3views. I do hope at least Mouse and Zen will give them a boost, but they will do perfectly fine on their own

>>102580776
I probably would have kept it going even if unprofitable. Like a passion thing. A couple mill a year would be nothing.

>>102580997
Hired an incompetent finance team that doesnt know how to say no to useless expenditures.

>>102581052
That finance guy? Seth weinstein, aka owner of MSM

>>102581052
He would have publicly made a statement long before now if that was the case. Nah, dude is fucked.

>>102580890
A billion is chump change in Silicon Valley anon
They'd instantly blow most of it in "marketing" aka throwing parties instead of development until they get a sucker to sell the company to

>>102580837
>Now all of them are going to be literal who's with no future forever.
Paipi and Beri were both doing decent as 3views. They might be able to pivot this into becoming 4views like grimmi did with her ungraduation

>>102580822
Given that Vei/Nyan confirmed they used to try to pit talents against each other back then to prevent them from talking about contract stuff this could actually be likely at this point

>>102581061
the thing is Vshojo is a passion project for Gunrun. He has fucking backpack company.

>>102580997
Genuinely, the plan for many of these tech startups is A) keep existing and then B) hope you eventually get bought out by googleamazonmicrosoft for 10 billion dollars

>>102580687
What? They were sent from China

>>102581052
He was way too slow with a counterstatement
Unless he has a silver bullet response, he's royally fucked

Time to go to bed, and hopefully don't wake up to the sounds of Nagi crying...

Tricky with $13,778.20

>>102580821
>550k to IDF
>at least 222k to Kson, the starting cost of a ferarri
I wonder what the split is for the remaining 1.2ish mil.

>>102580997
a very unfavorable market for cheap trinkets from china, inflation (this actually helps them and hurts them), credit crunch, etc
Vshojo was no different than the multiple esports orgs that dissolved in the past two years

>>102581161
There's no statement he could make that would save his ass now.

>>102581147
The only way Gunrun can sell VShojo is when they have established idols in their roster and sell it to a major label
Too bad the Mint gen never happened

>>102581161
>Unless he has a silver bullet response, he's royally fucked
Honestly that's putting it mildly. Dude would need to stroll up and donate 1 mil to charity, pay every talent what they are owed with interest (including ones that left years ago like Nyanners), publicly apologize to everyone and admit fault with a promise to do better, and drop the fucking Epstein files. Anything short of this would be met with backlash.

Would you forgive MTD if his only sin was being mean to Nyan/Aethal and suggesting the dumb subway ads? I wouldn't

>>102581161
>>102581237
Oh and release all talents from their NDAs.

>>102581250
Well at least he wouldn't be going to jail like gunrun

>>102581250
mowtendoo was involved with blacklisting and doxxing of vtubers. He wasn't stealing money but he's a huge piece of shit and nobody should trust him

>>102581275
>He thinks Gunrun is going to jail
That fat ugly bitch is already in Thailand balls deep in some ladyboy's poop cutter.

>>102581203
Esport orgs got fucked because major sponsors left esports and got replaced by the Saudis and Gambling ads
Unless your org has a superstar player, you will never sell merch and just toil at the tier 2s until they run out of VC money

>>102581237
Honestly, just pay up to everything. I dont care if he goes broke or sell his backpack company. It's the only way to redeem his incompetency.

>>102581237
>pay every talent what they are owed with interest (including ones that left years ago like Nyanners)
I think Vei mentioned that she eventually got paid back by VShojo after a long time of lawyers pestering them for it. I assumed Nyan and Silver probably has gotten paid back at this point as well. Likely without interest though

>>102581176
Is that a meme number or what

Alright anons here's the plan. We'll pool our money together and buy VShojo. I've got like $80 to spare. Who can cover the rest

>>102581324
They paid the old talent with the new talents money

>>102581304
>Saudis sponsors

>>102581237
>Dude would need to stroll up and donate 1 mil to charity
If anything that would lowkey be worse than him admitting that the money was mismanaged and it's all gone, since that would imply he could've payed the owed wages/charity funds out of pocket, but actively didn't.

>>102581324
Vei did mention that, but Nyanners mentioned on stream she is owed over 100k and it hasn't been paid. No idea on Silver or Matara status though.

>>102581330
She said she'd donate 100% of the money she earned during that stream to the charity. She must've gotten some big donos for that since that'd be a ridiculous amount for a regular stream lol

>>102581250
I think people are blowing Aethel's words out of proportion. He said it was personal, not business. So he was probably just an asshole.

Anyone else not able to sleep?
I have to work in 4 hours :(

So will we reach $1m today
And is this the fastest growing Tiltify ever

>>102581365
Vei's right that's absolutely what they did

>>102581413
Yep, textbook pyramid scheme.

>>102581286
Idk if that is true but MTD only left the company two months ago. He likely was not involved with stealing money from charity, but he was there when VShojo was being awful to their talents before then (which was basically happening since the founding of the company). So he might have still been a shitty executive, just managing to be not bad enough to avoid the low bar of not stealing from charity lol

>>102581237
What he'll actually do is nothing. And go on to start another project with his play money that he inherited, which will also be able to secure initial investors despite this disaster and be mismanaged and burn out again. And he'll keep doing it until he happens to get lucky and becomes super wealthy, instead of just wealthy. And none of the people harmed in the process will ever have any recourse. Absoutely worst case for him is he actually burns through his entire fortune with only a string of failures and ends up retiring in comfort and security somewhere without any big win.

>>102581410
Surely gunrun will add the missing 500k today!

>>102581335
I guess 80 bucks is the current value of it without any talents or labor attached to.

>>102581335
Let's invest in our own vtuber org instead of wasting money on a toxic brand. We could buy VNus, I can drop 50 bucks on it.

>Start watching Prism
>They quickly disband
>Start watching Idol
>They burn down
>VShojo
>Fucking dead
Brb, gonna find a Phase oshi real quick

>>102581324
Nyan is still owed money
And I'm sure when Silver streams she will also talk about Vshojo owing her money

>>102581423
That's now what a pyramid scheme is.

>>102581427
it's true. he'd share people's personal info at vshojo events because he's a drugged out drunkard that snorts every dollar he ever made into his fucking cunt nose. he also was close personal friends with that twat that ran msm talent and they colluded to squeeze out other vtubers that collabed with vshojo girls with bad rumors about them so seth could slide his talents from msm into those collab slots. he also roofied chicks at his parties. he's a fucking twat and i hope he ends up a goddamn stain on some asphalt.

>>102581335
I have like 4.5k in savings

Mousey. Don't do it.
Don't try to start "VShojo but it works".
Not even Gunrun could with his fortune. The idea is FUBAR and unsustainable from the get go.

>>102581438
I mean as it stands he's not just liable for civil damages. He's potentially committed SEVERAL crimes with lengthy prison sentences attached. While I agree his response will almost certainly be to do nothing in terms of trying to fix this, I don't agree that he's just going to start a new project. He has two choices here realistically, flee the US or go to prison AND get sued to hell and back. If he's smart at fucking all he's already put the first option into motion.

>>102581469
Nyan didn't elaborate but she implied the shit going on in VNUS is significantly worse, so I don't think that's a good investment

>>102581365
If Nyan actually hasn't been paid yet after all these years then that's insane. Probably would be the next worse thing VShojo has done after stealing $500k from the IDF. I feel like she has to have gotten it paid otherwise she'd have sued by now

>>102581502
calm down krimbo

You know, a bit of the cherry on top on how stupid they are.
Remember that Gunrun tried setting up a thing that would have taken the money from the sub to Tiltify with the splits. HAD he succeeded, none of this would have happened lol

We should create our own org and then sexually harass the talents untill they sleep with us
It worked for Cover

>>102581534
krimbo's streaming right now, that ain't him

>>102581352
The Esports World Cup is such a soulless mess that Worlds, TI, and CS Majors still outrank it in prestige despite having a higher prizepool

>>102581502
Lmao yo krimbo, when you banging your wife on stream

>>102581488
Jelly. My beloved.

>>102581335
>>102581508
I have about 17k, count me in bros.

>>102581541
nvm not him, fucking Fugi lol
https://tiltify.com/+vshojo/mouseathon-2023-2024-10-16

>>102581518
What makes you think she would. Zen is more likely to try that.
Mouse doesn’t want to organise things like that it’s why vshojo had control of her money.

>>102581458
500k Gunrun donation is big enough that it can't be a meme, unless some billionaire is that depraved. If it was real though? Can't imagine the response. At. All.

>>102581365
>>102581490
>Vei might have been the only one that VShojo has actually paid
roru
rumao even

>>102581518
It feels like the only "corpo" that can really work is the super hands-off "we'll just get you some sponsorships and handle merch sometimes", and not going any further than that.

>>102581613
Hot

>>102581541
No, no. I'm glad it happened this way. if something like that had worked out VShojo would have had a slow, agonizing, drawn out death with more and more people leaving regularly until it collapsed like by the end of the year.

This way it happened so fast it's actually funny lol

>>102581599
The Queen collects her debts.

>>102581568
>>102581534
>>102581562
I ain't fucking krimbo, i'm someone else with an axe to grind. that slimey twat made a lot of enemies and it's gonna catch up to him one day

>>102581599
Because she was the only one with a lawyer that was asking them for it

>>102581623
I hope you're feeling better Henya

>>102581642
I choose to believe this is real, because crazier posts from this thread have somehow managed to be true

>>102581518
I wish they would use teams at the very least, but that's just a dumb dream

MTD was at the very least spreading rrats about Silver because she rejected him and refused to date him

>>102581518
Vchiban seems to work pretty well. Just keep your operations slim and share managers.

When people talk about women making a fraction of men make, this sort of sitaution is exactly why. Management was able to isolate and manipuluate them by pretending to be their friends, asking them to be understanding that the company was having a difficult time and they just needed a month or two to make things right, or it was all a mistake because they had the wrong account info, and it'll be updated and sent out next quarter. And so on. Mild social pressure was enough to convince more than a dozen talents to accept not being paid five and six figures they were owed for months and years in some cases. If they had personal lawyers, or a union, or if the culture just lead to them talking to each other about finances with each other, this never happens. But there's not even a mild push to change things in that way. it's all going to be treated like a freak accident by an evil company that no one can do anything to prevent.

>>102581523
He also can't flee to Japan because prosecutors will rape him if any of the talents sues for real too. It would be so easy to stack a fuckton of fraud charges on him. Especially in Japan.

>>102581693
vchiban actually has managers? I assume it was just them 4

What if gunrun just donates $500k to the tiltify lol

Mouse has an MSN article on her

>>102581642
>one day
correct term is soon™

>>102581716
So from how i understand it VIchiban and 3am both operate as the members own the group as a collective IP and they hire managers/assistant that work for them directly to run everything.

>>102581720
Then that issue is resolved, but it doesn't matter now.

>>102581720
Not enough

>>102581720
if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle

Anything cool happen in the last ~8 hours?

>>102581693
>Just keep your operations slim
Literally that's all that VShojo needed to do to stay solvent

on other good news Bruce is back as a plus nice

>>102581710
He's gonna flee to some tax haven island with no extradition I'm sure.

>>102581191
Don't forget the money Mouse is owned to herself. I'd wager most of that 2M is Mouse + IDF + Kson + loans + Zen. Most other talents are small enough that it's prolly not more than 50-100k per head.

>>102581720
Then vshojo would still have no money to run the operation

>>102581720
and what about 200k for mint, 100k for nyan, 50k for artists, and most importantly 300k for me?

>>102581787
I think they got a big head after the Kizuna Ai collab and thought they could compete with Hololive.

>>102581720
No where near enough. He'd have to donate at least double what they are owed AND pay all the talents what they are due with interest at bare fucking minimum

>>102581678
people are free to believe me or not, i'm mostly fucking venting shit i've been holding onto for years and the only reasons I dont name specific names is it'd hurt some innocent people who just want shit to go away. I will say avoid this fucking guy and never drink anything he hands you at a party.

>>102581844
>I will say avoid this fucking guy and never drink anything he hands you at a party.
Oh yeah because this dude is gonna wanna drug and rape a 6'1" 250 lbs fat white man like myself right? C'mon bro. That's advice for women and nobody here has a vagina.

>>102581692
Imagine being that unlikeable that even the posterchild of parasocial attention-craved GFE Vtuber in your org refuse to date you

>>102581785
M/in/t was real

If Mint was already in VShojo's books for a long ass time then why didn't they just let her re-debut as a VShojo talent?

>>102581844
bla-bla-bla
make it believable or no balls

>>102581797
Who plus is he from?

>>102581785
Well,
>Pia, Tori and Beri + another chick named Pheobe, were all meant to be part of a monster girl generation.
>Money for their founding was never given to them.
>Tori is debuting a chibi on her model later today. The full model was a harpie made by Cluseller.
>Everyone but Froot is officially out (Froot is on the plans), even the NOVAs but they are dealing with some contract stuff.
>Mint was a member on paper and was working on a idol generation with the help of VShojoJP
>Charity is almost up to 800k.

NOVAs are streaming in a couple of hours for thoughts, minus Peke
Matara is streaming on Thursday
No Zen or Henya tomorrow
Mint is having her 5th anniversary.
GEEGA is streaming tomorrow.
The Monster Girls are collabing on Thursday for the what would have been.
No clue on the rest of the talents.

>>102581823
>and most importantly 300k for me?
Just how much have you been shitting on Vei over all these years? Damn

Even aside from all the excitement today I'm still happiest that Froot came back :)

>>102581924
I don't get it, but they did the same thing to Haruka.

God I wish Mouse had her latest music video ready to drop.

>>102581785
I dropped something and caught it with my foot. That was kinda cool I think

>check da 4vsj for the first time in weeks
>its all liggermen sucking each others cocks

>>102581924
It's the same they did with Haruka, they did it to release it at the time with something. In her case, the idol gen.

>>102581945
IIRC Mouse had said the hard date it was to be done by is tomorrow.

>>102581924
That wasn't what she wanted. They gave Henya her dream and were going to give Mint hers, but they fucked everything.

Dammit I'm getting mad again, I'm going to bed.

>>102581812
>Don't forget the money Mouse is owned to herself.
I didn't. That's why I'm wondering what the split is for the remaining amount of 2m -(idf dono and Kson's ferrarri). The ones we know for sure that are owed money are contractors, lenders, Ironmouse, and Henya, but it's safe to say everyone is owed.

>>102581933
Zen and mata iirc

>>102581953
we're all blue now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA52uNzx7Y4

>>102581937
Small correction
Phoebe was joining a separate generation under Mint set to debut before the monster girls

>>102581937
fuck change all the tomorrows to today.

>>102581924
She was working with VshojoJP. she even praise the branch. However, debuts were pushed because of financial reasons and financial management is held by the VShojoEN staffs so...

>>102581953
well are you going to unzip or what

>>102581988
Zen and Mochi and Kuro also all said they are owed money, at that point it's safe to say that after the first 3 left Vshojo contracts were changed so that Vshojo receive the money and pay the talents afterwards, hence everyone that was in Vshojo after Sept 2024 is owed money for sure.

Also Nyanners said she's still owed 100k from sponsorships, and that happened all the way back in 2022

On the plus side, Minto might be on the Mouse's concert now that I think about it.

The next Mouse stream is going to be a hard one. Mouse is definitely going to cry from both happiness and sadness and both Mouse and chat need to accept that it’s going to happen.
Don’t be scared Mouse because of it, we all love you and one sad stream is fine and needed.

>>102582118
Mouse bringing all the old and new members together for something would be really wholesome. It's the kind of gesture even Silver and Vei will appreciate and want to be a part of.

So who are all the people who VShojo owes money too?
From what I can recall
>$500k to the IDF
>An undisclosed amount to Mouse
>An undisclosed amount to Kson
>An undisclosed amount to Henya
>An undisclosed amount to Michi
>An undisclosed amount to Zen
>An undisclosed amount to Kuro
>Various contracters and such
>A bunch of artists
>Over $100k to Nyan
>Potentially money to Silver as well

:(
imma cry now, fuck u

>>102582139
Connor judges her for crying on stream so it make it harder for her.

>>102582159
At this point it's safe to assume none of the talents have been paid for merch/sponsorships since st least September of 2024.

that's why Mint flew to Japan multiple times this past year. Literally planned something with VshojoJP.
fuck you Gunrun for ruining everything

>>102581844
remember connor and aethel saying nyan was really fucking out of it after a party...

>>102582182
>think Monke wont give her the pass after such nuclear fallout

>>102582158
>It's the kind of gesture even Silver and Vei will appreciate and want to be a part of.
lol
lmao even
They may not actually hate each other as some here have speculated before but I'd still be surprised if they showed up for something. Maybe nyan would join it though.

>>102582159
Probably Mata as well, which now that I think about it
Mata paid for the rest of the momos, if they didn't pay her and she HAD to pay more for the merch that was left over, that's just too fucking low.

>>102582158
>Vei
>singing
Oh you don’t want that

>>102582207
At least she got to hang with her holo friends but man that feels like a lot of work throw straight in the trashbin

>>102582095
>at that point it's safe to say that after the first 3 left Vshojo contracts were changed so that Vshojo receive the money and pay the talents afterwards, hence everyone that was in Vshojo after Sept 2024 is owed money for sure.
That would be the case even without some contract modification because their model was to take a cut from merch/ticket sales. The only way Vshojo would have been circumvented as the first point of contact for that merch money would have been the thing Matara pulled with Bricky.

share your favorite why to torture gunrun

>>102582139
chat will be filled with tourists

>>102582229
If Mowtendoo did something personally fucked up to Nyan or any of the other girls I swear...

>>102582325
If you had a tiny clone of gunrun would you torture it?

Is this charity stream happening tonight?

>>102582325
take money away from him, dollar by dollar

>>102582229
>>102582362
Didn't Aethel just say he has personal beef with MTD?

>>102582159
They said buyout was 2 mil
500k for charity leaves around 1.5 mil
Nyan is around 100k so it's 1.4 mil for others

>>102582194
I'd go farther and say basically any vtuber who has dealt with vshojo financially in any significant way is probably owed money by them, except for vei

shit, I realize I'm slow as hell but I guess this is why mata went and did her own merch
probably was getting fuck all

>>102582387
Trying to rape your partner would classify as personal beef yes

Just imagine we coulda have the new girls and Mint playing MC with Zen and Henya right now, and Zen troling them, having the absolute hell of a funny time. WTF man, I just want my girls to be happy and silly

>>102582332
That changes nothing, Mouse needs to be her honest self even if there are more people around.

So basically people who were in charge of vshojo weren't actually fans of vtubing.

Well I hope Mouse enjoys watching Monke today. She deserves a nice couple of days of break.

Somehow we're gonna find out that VShojo owes money to Hime somehow

>>102582366
I would let my eight week old kitten tear it to shreds

>>102582405
She's literally the only person who hired a lawyer to look over every contract before she signed anything and communicated with them through that lawyer. And they paid her. Slowly, but they did pay. It's a really good lesson that your boss isn't your friend no matter how they try to present things and you have to have someone advocating for you at every stage or you're getting taken advantage of.

>>102582405
reading your stories about Vei and she reminds me of Shylily more and more

>>102582439
Now THAT'S a wild claim

>>102582449
He’s live?

>>102582433
yup and probably did it more to get fired than anything else

>>102582445
what

>>102582159
Unknown amount to Mint and at least multiple grand to the 2views

>>102582387
We have no idea what personal means. Although if someone actually did try to take advantage of Nyan I don't think Aethel would be able to hide it out of sheer anger so I'm inclined to think it's something else

>>102582470
Isn't this what roofies are for
Why else would he do that

As much as people want heads to roll, I think they were just really bad with money and had no clear business plan. Recruiting Kson and Nazuna was probably not a good idea given they had zero infrastructure for japanese hires, the merch only model turns out to not work with tariffs lol, Nova and JP was a bizarre business decision because of the giant expense involved honestly it seems like they expected 4 more Henyas

>>102582482
on his alt

>>102582482
He's on Jason's stream showing them around.

>They actually had Mint signed and fumbled her
>They also had a sexy monster girl gen signed and fumbled them
I'm so fucking mad. I hate that so many cute vtubers were hurt by this.

Why does this keep getting automodded in chat?

>>102582496
yeah that's way too big of a leap kek
I remember he immediately unfollowed Nyan after she left even though he used to be in her chat all the time. I'm guessing he just took it personally and called her a traitor or something

>>102582325
At this point I wouldn't doubt that he's already gone and killed himself. He's been embezzling to juggle the books for years by skimming from the talent, who then got drowned in NDAs to cover up. Ultimately that cuminated in robbing a charity, which he most definitely couldn't bully with NDA threats. The fact that we now know he tried to sell the company last year for the cost of loans and debts just shows how desperate he was to cover that shit up.

>>102581518
>and unsustainable from the get go
No, it's totally sustainable. On paper VShojo's operating costs are next to none.

... That changes when you start hemorrhaging money on advertisements, a monthly stipend for a growing talent roster, company-paid debuts with extravagant teasers, huge convention booths and main stage panels, establishing a new streaming platform (which never launched), a video game (which never released), tech development (which remained proprietary)...

The VShojo structure CAN and SHOULD HAVE worked.
They were just fucking stupid

>>102582462
Both Vei and Shylily were some of the only ones smart enough to get a lawyer to look through this shit. They really are related lol

I don't understand, when they say "not getting paid" they mean specifically for the merch deals I assume? Obviously the girls weren't working with 0 income for over a year

>>102582537
cuz it's spam

Kuro lol
https://x.com/K9_KURO/status/1947926389740736578

>>102582552
Don't leave out leasing and wrapping a supercar as 'advertisment'.

>>102582508
Bro, they literally had Mint and probably Saba. That's at least three and half Henyas right there. And then there were like 6-8 other people. They actually had all that shit lined up.

>>102582405
Funny story, Vei is the only one with prior experience with orgs

>>102582537
What are the chances that Twitch will remove his global emote in the fallout of this?
They did remove the original pogchamp iirc, so there's precedent.

>>102582229
i ain't saying that happened to nyan so i wanna be clear about that, but i know multiple chicks that went to 2 different vshojo parties and all of them got fucked up after drinking stuff mtd gave them. one of them was nearly cornered by the slimey fuck until a male vtuber cut in, got her an uber, and got her out of there. fuck that guy the creepy rapist ass motherfucker

I just remembered that they probably had a JP gen too.
Was there some update with Delutaya and Nu-Shion?

>>102582578
Kuro is the reason why it all failed
I told you males had no place in vtubing

>>102582552
My guy they were owing money to talent as early as Veibae talking about being owed a hundred grand.
It was never viable.

>>102582450
>somehow
is it outlandish to think she had merch that she didn't get paid for?

>>102580229
She doesn’t deserve to be listed with these whores

>>102582578
How do you not realize you're the first

>>102582536
the talents knew about this all of them and it was normal for them....

>>102582578
He could have had Aethel has a fellow bro in the org had vshojo not tried to scam Nyan lol

>>102582575
The company was clawing back any income they had control over, which was merch, mainly, but also sponsor money in many cases. Mouse is the bad one where they had control of her actual stream income during each subathon period.

>>102582552
As every business that fell off. They didnt follow the simple rule. You dont fuck with the money.

>>102582508
did you not watch the Kson stream?
VshojoJP was actually doing good number-wise. Thats why they were able to make a generation. They bank on that number.

>>102580229
we also voted in favor of the stillborn gen and yet they weren't add either

>>102582647
I wonder if the plan was to add Quinn and Aethel. They are friends.

>>102582578
>Kuro
>male vtuber
Picrel was the first and last male vtuber of Vshojo.

>>102582631
JP was viable and the only reason was because they didn't do that circus they do in the west with senpaisquad and AX or even advertising.

>>102582595
And if it worked out we would all be saying platinum era, gunrun is a genius, etc, luck runs out and it sounds like they were running on luck since they even recruited Vei

>>102580491
What about being jealous of Hololive and then of Shylily or falling for one of Asmongold’s friends

Gunrun tweeted

>>102582672
Yeah everyone keeps glossing over this but with good management and being responsible it was working just fine lol. Honestly I think that the seed money is what fucked it all over. They probably went a bit too wild with it, tried to claw back after overspending, failed, and here we are. Nova started WAY after the seed money phase of Vshojo so it never had those tendencies to begin with and was able to operate quietly and efficiently.

>>102582679
It wouldn't surprise me if they were planning something like that until pink cat booked it

>>102582615
Didn't they remove TriHex's emote too citing muh racism even after TriHex told them they were being a retarded and he loved the emote because it was him at one of his happiest moments in life?

>>102582722
Vshojo2 announced

>>102582628
Delu just finished her just chit chat steam and din't mention vshojo so probably it's not her. not shion has a professional website so she probably decided to go solo from the get go.

>>102582726
but anon above specifically targeted the JP branch which was viable as said by the CEO. why fault the JP when it was good.

>>102582672
Loutlot said his salary was cut in half lol, let alone all the expense in actually getting started in terms of legal, hiring and so on

>>102582722
https://x.com/theGunrun/status/1876480286403526952

I am still amazed Vshojo told Orca they will take part of her profits from Gamersupps sales
Fags really were desperate for cash
I guess also that's why collab was with Gfuel not GS
Orca told management of GS the fuckery Vshojo was trying to pull

>>102582738
They tried but Trihex context is different, he is still beloved by twitch community. Gootecks simply started eating glue and twitch wanted none of it and now GunRun who the fuck want a emote of that faggot

Did vshojo force Mouse to remove Precious Family?
I always thought it was weird that Mouse was quite open about changing most things but then some things she would just be quiet about and not give reasons.

>>102582701
JP was viable because they had fuck all to market.
They first had two people (Kson and Nazuna) then 3 (Henya) then back down to 2 (Kson and Henya) before ballooning to 6 with the addition of Nova.
Nova is less than a year old so we never got to see how much longer that viability was going to last.

>>102582813
>Gootecks simply started eating glue
I had no fucking idea lmao

I don't know if I will laugh or cry if the Saba vagueposting is actually related to this dumpster fire of a situation.

What did he mean by this https://x.com/theGunrun/status/1713697302916050984

>>102582796
>using own emotes
cringe

the dissolution of vshojo has made my tribal feelings fade away
all the gripes i had with other vtubers and fanbases feel so small in comparison to this
truly this is a modern age spiritual cleanse

>>102582847
/pcg/ welcomes you bro...

>>102582816
>Mouse was quite open about changing most things but then some things she would just be quiet about and not give reasons.
Like when she got rid of her nsfw daki, people asked why in chat but she ignored them.

>>102582793
financial management was the problem, not the JP branch at all.
If Loutlot was able to separate the JP revenue from EN. JP could have survive until today.

>>102582817
According to Loutlot things were going well for them

6k to get to 800k

>>102582865
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyNujpc_N7U&t=4s

>>102582816
Gunrun took everything precious to pay the bills

>>102582868
you are ignoring the huge startup expense involved in establishing JP lol, I guarantee they are not net positive

>>102582816
Once the company collapses and the NDAs are voided we're probably gonna find out that VShojo forced their talents to do a lot of things from behind the scenes. Including being highly selective with collabs and interactions.

>>102582929
> forced
You mean talent freedomed(emotional manipulated)

>>102582929
This is when Silver realizes that everything she thought was Mouse being a meangirl was the company and they have a sincere reunion.

>>102582976
Mouse is the company

>>102582912
It's called an investment. And Loutlot did state they would be positive on paper so it was a worthwhile one unlike the investments EN did.

The ''vshojo'' for lack of better terms dream is not dead yet right? As a viewer I always found that girls in groups are way more entertaining than solo (even when they collab). I don't I might be old school but it had a charm to it. A sense of belonging. I might be a delusional and poetic but I really hope the girls can capture back that sense of camaraderie (even if it's professionally fake) for the sake of entertainment. Let's be honest...Vtubers are boring...and they are way more when they are alone.

>>102582976
I actually would not be surprised if this brings the two of them to actually talk. A lot of times when companies have shit like this go down they'll pit talent vs talent

>>102582912
JP CEO said they were good. so don't assume that they were not lol

>>102582870
Yes, because again, their highest amount of talent to wrangle lasted less than a year. That means not a single nova girl got to do an anniversary event, only half of the nova girls got to do their birthdays, I don't remember if they got to do a fucking concert, and their Univolt album project probably got aborted by this whole fiasco.

>>102583012
Nah I don’t give a fuck.
Solo streams are the best, collabs are fine but you don’t need a group for that, you just need friends

>>102583012
unity will never happen again. there will be no collabs between any former members. zen will stop playing mario party with haruka. michi and kuro and mata are no longer irl friends.

>>102583012
Officially yes.
Unofficially or forming something else after? Unknown, but if it does happen it definitely won't be immediately If Geega of all people didn't instantly shoot down the idea then it'd be cool to see a 3AM/VChiban styled group from the ashes of VShojo.

>>102582912
jp ceo said they were in the green if they were jp alone, including their future investment and paying back kson and henya.

>>102582976
If this unironically does lead to Mouse and Silver reconnecting and burying the hatchet, then it will all have been worth it

cumming in geega and henya to see who gets pregnant first

>>102583043
Wow, an executive says that everything he's legally responsible for was going well, and it's all the foreign branch's mismanagemet that went wrong. I guess the only thing to do is take him at his word.

>>102583012
PLEASE JUST MAKE A MEGA UNITY MINECRAFT SERVER
EVERYONE IS IN

>>102583012
Tanlines Vei model is doing things to me

This general kind of feels like that week after you put your dog down

>>102583012
There was precious little holding the girls together beyond being in the same company. They almost never collabed with each other except for Nova. They aren't going to recapture a camaraderie they never really had in the first place.

>>102583082
>it'd be cool to see a 3AM/VChiban styled group from the ashes of VShojo
nothing formal is going to happen any time soon. best to wait until the wounds heal.

>>102583092
Yes, an entity that would be held legally responsible for anything he said on stream

>>102582794
I was expecting towa baby

>>102583043
Neither Kson nor Henya were getting paid retard

>>102583097
I don’t want a fucking Minecraft server that distracts everyone from doing anything other than Minecraft for a whole fucking month.

>>102583047
Anon. JP has only 5 staffs: Loutlot, Ryo, HighGai, Mamane and ex-holo employee. how can that be unprofitable when you have fucking Kson and Henya in the branch. NOVA girls merch were selling well also.

>>102583090
I'm pretty sure geega can still get preggers. The kid might be autistic though.

>>102583121
These all have to be tourists this was explained very plainly

>>102583118
I was considering using train hit donkey, but that's a bit too sad for today

>>102583113
>would be held legally responsible
operate under the assumption that corporate management is gone and every faction is out for themselves.

>>102583092
so im gonna take a word from you? oh wow Anon oh wow.
Just watch the fucking stream of Kson, youre getting retarded and just making rrats to fit your narrative. kek

>>102582976
All this somehow managed to get Vei to link Mouse's charity. Low bar but still Vei of all people.
Anything could be possible.

>>102583132
>how can that be unprofitable when you have fucking Kson and Henya in the branch. NOVA girls merch were selling well also.
By having the cost of the mentioned projects outweigh the earnings from merch sales, which we will never know if it would be the case because again, they didn't even make it to an anniversary.

>>102583121
and? was that JP branch fault? or EN mishandling the money?
Again the anon above targeted VshojoJP that it was a mistake to begin with

>>102583097
fuck minecraft

>>102583097
This, just don't put Mouse in charge, because she'll ruin it with mods.

>>102583207
It's pretty clear that JP was not overspending the way EN was so I don't know why you're so deadset on believing they'd have gone under the same way

It’s crazy that the top 16 donators are over $10k

>>102583259
This

>>102583232
Loutlot said that EN controlled the money spigot. So that's why they didn't get paid.
I guess he could have lied and really he was somehow in on it, but I don't see any reason to believe that. Everyone so far has only had good things to say about JP management.

>>102583232
Do you sincerely think that VshojoJP was a good business decision, or a scramble to try to capitalize on Holo firing Kson and Nazuna, I personally know of zero western companies that try to expand to Japan without any Japanese partners

>>102583341
Except that they didn't pay the talent for ten months while paying themselves. How is that a good thing, exactly?

>>102583378
>created new networking opportunities
>actually made money

yes.

>>102583418
>nooo you can't just pay the minimum wage interns! think of the multimillionaire talent!

>>102583378
Yes, JP was a good decision. and anon Kson was an indie for a year before joining Vshojo. dont try drag holofags in here.

>>102583294
You're misunderstanding.
I'm not saying they were overspending. I'm saying we never got to the point of seeing if their current cashflow was going to survive the cost of projects or not so to claim "they were financially viable" when they never got to be fully tested is presumptuous.
Specially considering that unlike in the US they actually do advertising that isn't just limited to nerd conventions.

>>102583418
It seems that nova and supporting staff had a different payment structure, whereas legacy JP like Kson and Henya ( and presumably crazy Nazuna) were paid like the EN talents

>>102583418
I don't even know if that's true. But if it is, it's because VShojo was sending them money for salaries, but wasn't sending them money for talents' share.
Keep in mind, kson just found she is owed money. She thought VShojo had it for her. They didn't even know they weren't getting paid.

>>102583474
Well, anonymous, it might be shocking to hear this but "the cost of projects" is very fluid and they can adjust that cost to be within their means

So was Nova an attempt to make things actually profitable.
Different contract, different terms.

Retards arguing about JP not good when the JP CEO himself said that it was profitable and good. tourist all over the place

>>102583557
The reasonable assumption is they didn't just go crazy style with it. Probably because things were already in dire straits when they debuted so they were much more careful (which they should have been from day 1)

https://youtu.be/QXJ28-1FBAg?si=HpsCF1aqsXtVE0Dx
>we lose so much fuck gunrun

>>102583570
Well if the CEO says it then it's settled

>>102583474
nova advertisement was on the same level as ex holo members. It's not that crazy.
https://x.com/karinko20241027/status/1947177552151474452

>>102583570
>CEO said he was barely paid and has no visibility on payments owed to the two largest talents
>”ferrari” amounts of money

>>102583637
that's not what he said.

>>102583378
If they would have got a JP gen off the ground after Kson and Nazuna (assuming Mike didn't go actually crazy again). They could have had a real foothold in JP.

All this shit coming out is just so depressing, they really had all the best cards given to them over and over again. Then just decided to put it all on red at the roulette table across the way.

You're average Domino's general manager could have run this into profitable territories from the start.

>>102583673
Anon rolling a d20 to make business decisions would have run it better.

>>102583637
ok looping. JP CEO literally said if they separate the profits from EN. JP could pay them thats why kson ask "Pay me then" then Loutlot was silent because he has no control in finances for JP.

>>102583570
yeah, and EN CEO said 'big thing are coming'

>>102583700
is that related to JP? hello?

>>102583637
He said that even including the money owed to the talents VshojoJP was making profits. It's just that this money never came back to VshojoJP.

I don't understand why they didn't launch the monster girl gen and use profits from that to pay the charity
are they stupid?

>>102583748
>even including the money owed to the talents VshojoJP was making profits
Clip it

>>102583761
>are they stupid?
It's not even a question anymore.

>>102583761
The only option that makes sense (and to be clear it could have just been stupidity) is they were so far in the erd that they couldn't afford to debut them. Like get them their assets, models, and everything for debut lol.

>>102583737
It's related to your blind trust in what higherups are saying

$10k goal, $800k raised.

>>102583688
Blackout Nyan and Hime on the AX bus could have carved out a better business plan going forward lmao

>>102583761
Assets weren’t done and weren’t going to be finished because they couldnt pay artists, not all of them fronted their own money for their debut

>>102583761
>waste more money on big expensive debuts
>profit simply appears out of somewhere, possibly from making a $2 on each launch merch acrylic stand sold
So this is what they call business acumen...

The more they told you to not speculate, the more we need to. This shit is still shady as hell. Because in no way the type of people like Panini, Mowtendoo didn't know anything about this. I simply don't trust the staffs man.

>>102583796
How many hours has the campaign been up now?

>>102583761
This is what they've been doing to sustain their pyramid scheme before. Unfortunately, they are so retarded that the money ran out before they could do it again and debut them

>>102583570
Anon pay attention. Things as they currently stood were "fine" because we never got to see if shit was gonna go bad come anniversaries and birthdays.
You're basically saying "the Titanic is unsinkable" when you never tested how well it'd float if 6 of its 16 compartments were flooding.

>>102583761
And who’s going to pay Merryweather for 15min lore video?

>>102583837
There isn't anything really pointing to Panini knowing how bad it was.
Mowtendoo is different because he was a higher up.

Just found out that Zen is certainly a male...I mean, i had a feeling it is true, but damn, it hits you to see a face. Still, cool and entertaining. Would still watch.

>>102583851
Assuming that this retarded juggling act was all Gunrun and not someone below him, there wasn't going to be an "again" because he was finally desperate enough to try and sell the company for the cost of debts and loans.

>>102583923
top kek. reminds me of some redditor saying vshojo is a union

>>102583904
You're stronger than me, bro. When I got to know, I couldn't watch him anymore, it's just not the same...

my dearly beloved hotadogu live

When talking about when any vtuber debuted or graduated from now on should be described as bv or av, Before VShojo or After VShojo

Hotadog live

So let me get this straight. Vtubing and especially the Vshojo girls were so much profitable that it kept these mediocre dimwits at the head of the company afloat for over five years despite their best unintentional efforts to bring the whole thing down.

>>102582482
hes showing the W couple around

Remember "talent freedom"? Now that was funny

so was every ad stream ironmouse did trying to keep the company above water? Because she didnt see any of that gacha money

>>102583998
That's the problem. They weren't. If they were, as you put it, "so much profitable" then the mediocre dimwits wouldn't need to steal their merch money to juggle debts.

>>102583777
Makino: There is JP and EN.
Makino: JP is entirely under EN.
Makino: The finances of JP are pretty much all held by EN too.
Makino: JP has its own budget.
Makino: So we can only see how much we use and earn.
Makino: So, the two organizations are not entirely separated.
Makino: The amount handled by JP was much lower than by EN.
kson: Did you say VShojo JP itself was doing good?
Makino: Yes.
kson: You haven't paid me.
kson: That's what it says on the main company's finance book.
kson: Huh?
kson: Wait, so you know the JP talents were not being paid yet?
Makino: Yes.
kson: That's not "doing good", then.
Makino: We were doing good comparing the money coming in to the money going out.
kson: I quit VShojo today.
Makino: Hai.
kson: I was planning on doing it on the 31, but I'm doing it today.
kson: I quit.
kson: This is very wrong.
Makino: I understand.
kson: You're telling me you could have paid me?
Makino: Yes.
kson: Then where is (the money)?
kson: I want it now.
Makino: ........
kson: Did you just die?
Makino: I'm here.
kson: I'm not the only JP talent.
Makino: Yes.
Makino: The funds was all combined.
Makino: All I could see was the money coming in and going out.
kson: But that money going out is supposed to go to the talents?
Makino: Yes.
kson: I....don't fully understand, but let's move on.
kson: Let's talk about VShojo merch.
kson: If people buy the merch, does the money not come to us talents anymore?
Makino: So, as I said, VShojo JP's wallet is the same as EN's.
Makino: So if EN's wallet is empty, JP's is empty too.
Makino: When all the talents leave, the company will disband entirely.
Makino: The sponsorships you talents have are contracted to you directly, so they should still be good.
kson: So you will change all the contracts so that the money goes directly to us talents?
Makino: Yes.
kson: Since we possess our own IPs.
Makino: That's what we're doing on the JP side, at least.

>>102583947
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL8kIDvBlzo&t=70s
there's a lot of old stuff that hit's differently now

Translator?

>>102584027
*Emotional manipulation

>>102584032
did she at least get the stipend the gacha sponsors usually give you so that you can do some pulls for the stream

Hotaru sounds good, looks like we'll get to keep the Nova

>>102584027
Free to work for free, duh

>>102584036
The girls were profitable (not to vshojo). Meaning they were making money a lot of money; just not to vshojo's pocket. That's probably why no one said anything. because money kept coming to the girls pockets. Just not vshojo's money.

>>102584047
Viitor browser extension

>>102584041
vshojo was a data gathering psyop, schizo was right

Man just thinking how not even a year ago gunrun was at the disney irl getting emotional saying how they were like family, how he would go to the idf walks with mouse one of the few people who has her personal contact and almost was the first person who went to her house but it didn't happen in the end. All the progress mouse made about her trusting issues lost again, i don't think she will ever get close on a personal level to anyone beside the people she already is close with.

>Retards are gifting subs
Don't they know it goes directly into Gunrun's pocket?

Not even pre recorded, chad

>>102584117
i hope this finally gets her into large anal insertions

>>102584090
Apart from JP (and Kuro) all talents were 4views, from their streams alone they are making very good money, but tehy didn’t sign up to prop up Vshojo using unpaid labor

>>102584138
Retarded tourist

lmao she's trying so hard to weave in the kayfabe

>>102584138
Their contracts were already terminated a few hours back. Even Peke who's currently on vacation.

>>102584115
Man it hurts so much, I don’t know if you watch a discord stream Mouse did over a year ago when she was sick, but she said so many lovely things about gunrun and how he didn’t like being praised so she was saying it like this. She trusted him so much.

800k

>>102584138
Fuck off tourist

The real question is how much money is Brave burning, are their talent getting paid at all

>>102584115
You can thank connor for that

>>102584205
8% of goal... grim

>>102584036
The problem was that they were splurging on retarded shit like the Shinjuku ads, wrapping supercars, sponsoring OffKai, paying for parties, etc. And they were also probably paying top staff crazy salaries. If the company had been run the way it was supposed to - tight ship, small staff, money saved for things that were actually important, it would have been profitable. Instead for some reason they were obsessed with projecting an image of wealth and power while living a rockstar lifestyle.

>>102584138
Some money has always gone directly to the talents tourist, Mouse paid money to vshojo so they could handle payments to keep her anonymous and they never paid it out to the charity.

>wake up
>m/in/t was real
fuck man, I was already sad as fuck for nova and other debutees, there was a 3 man idol debut group as well?
What couldve been.... :_;

Henya and kson kept their joint manager

This is so fucked up DAYO

>>102584237
well if it makes you feel better seems like nova is going to keep streaming

>>102584219
Are you dumb or stupid?

>>102584262
neither. a jokester

Not a peep from Mint’s genmates, they might not even be vtubers

>>102584249
It sounded implied before, but I'm really happy to hear it spelled out directly.
The low level VSJ staff didn't deserved to be left on their asses.

>>102584234
*sub

>>102584261
But probably not together anymore no group projects no collabs

>>102584117
Mel is very composed when it comes to these kinds of things

>>102584283
Current rrat is one of them was Saba and she'll talk about it later.

>>102584205
Oh so we will definitely hit $1m

>>102584283
One was a vtuber/real kaigai idol

>>102584288
I like that manager, she's the one who's always with her kid around when kson does irl streams. Her husband is/was working with vshojo too. I hope they are doing okay...

>>102584261
as >>102584296 says, I would've wished they can could keep their staff and shit, since it seems like VshojoJP ran decent, and their projects and stull can still run.
I'm off course very sceptical of that though :/

Man, what a fucked up year

>>102584205
I'll never understand why Ironmouse keeps doing this dumb shit. She knows full well that she can AFK to take a shit and that 10k goal will be met long before she even pinches out the first loaf.

>>102583904
>>102583949
>doxfaggot makes shit up again
how not surprising

>>102584357
i envy you my sweet nigger in christ. I wish I didn't go down the rabbit hole and found out

looks like everyone in Nova were blindsided with the nuke mouse dropped

>>102584357
>2025
>Still thinks Zen a girl

Were the Nova girls the last to know about this?

>>102584319
There are whole communities forming to support.

>>102584283
if you watched NOVA, especially Hotaru, you probably already saw all of them

>>102584393
You would have gloated and posted your proof in all caps if it were true, neck yourself.

>>102584405
Hotaru only knew when Twitter was blowing up.

>>102584350
Mouse has genuinely terrible self esteem, I think in a fucked up way she does actually think she will only raise 10k

>>102584397
Hotaru is a big girl, she's seen worse. She knows how ugly the entertainment industry is. I'm just worried for the two youngest ones.

>gunrun doubles the charity donation
>somehow he's the bad guy

>>102584357
did you not see the repo video?

>>102584249
she spelled manager wrong
i read maneger wrong

>>102584283
Saba, Kou Mariya, a kaigai idol named Phoebe. Maybe more.

I do sincerely think Zen will try at least a couple collabs with the never debuts

>>102582630
>Former big vtuber debuts in a girl org with male audience
>Goes out of his way to filter most of his previous fanbase
>Doesn't have any bros in the org to bounce off of
>Laidback and very inconsistent
This shows males have no place in vtubing how? Did people forget Kuro's pl?

>>102584442
they also have her to talk to, she's definitely the senpai of the group.
relieved that the keep streaming

>>102584443
Man, what a waste of a good model

>>102584408
At this point when Mouse actually does the charity stream she’s going to blow multiple cycleathons worth of donos out of the water.

if one of them abandon their model to do something else like Nazuna. I'll be very sad

>>102584456
Isn't mariya still in brave?

>>102584455
she's genius please understand

>>102584479
https://files.catbox.moe/igtdfq.jpg

>>102584479
now you remember they paid for her 3d live....how much this bitch did cost to vshojo?

>>102584456
Exactly how was she gonna keep Brave out of the loop? Also you forgot Hyunicat

>>102584495
Oh god if that's what she meant with these tweets then that makes sense lol. Mariya is also a huge fucking Mint fan.

>>102584454
it's not even that, I found myself on some telegram vtuber doxing channel...man it had so many of them. I feel dirty, desu

>>102584556
But she's still in V4M? No way Brave would let her double up on contracts

>>102584465
Shoto does fine, Kuro showing his face was not good for his brand

>>102584583
sounds like a reliable source

newthread
>>102584635
>>102584635
>>102584635

>>102584594
They have different approaches to vtubing though. Shoto has more in common with Mysta than Kuro. The gay/bi baiting, trying to get shipped with guys, wanting horny fangirls. Kuro just wants a more relaxed audience and not to get shipped with anyone.

>>102584609
it had all the ones i know of right

Nazuna always assumed Henya was American. She kept mentioning that she was the only Japanese member, overlooking the fact that Henya grew up in Japan and is a Japanese citizen who speaks fluent Japanese.

>>102584404
>2025
>Still thinks Zen is a man

>>102584594
His fans already knew how he looked like. His flesh streams did better than his vtubing streams and a lot of his fans requested for him to do more. It was the inconsistency that killed his momentum and the fact that he didn't do much to grow his community.

>>102584310
There's no way Gunrun poached Gura and then let everything implode.

>>102584668
Henya's a hafu with blonde hair. I'm not 100% on it but she might have different colored eyes too.

>>102581642
>slimey

>>102584594
What happens if Gunrun’s creditors confuse Kuro with Gunrun?

>>102584393
>>102584454
>>102584583
no matter how much you will repeat the same lie over and over, it will not become true, just saying

>>102584704
It's crazy but it might be the truth considering her also managed to contract Mint.

>>102584772
They won't.
Kuro's too dumb to know what a backpack is.

>>102584404
I'm not delusional and/or schizophrenic like you to believe made up shit with 0 proof

>>102584781
Mint is nowhere near Saba's level. Don't delude yourself

>>102585128
People also thought hiring Mint wasn't possible.

>>102585210
Because she kept telling people that she wasn't going to vshojo