Thread 102581981

Wait. Are you telling me that EN Vtubing is just the next step in the streamer whore pipeline?

So now girls don’t need to degrade themselves or even look good on camera? They can literally just put on a funny voice, act like they like you and don’t bother to show themselves or their body and then boys will just throw millions at them? What!? They don’t even need to be good at the game and their boyfriend is the one who helps them to learn about internet culture what!?

And all they do is talk about irl normie shit now!?

WTF.Oh how far we have fallen from Kizuna AI. Atleast she was a REAL virtual YouTuber.

Fuck this shit I’m going back to porn streaming. At least there my money might let me see some tits and some of the girls are actually kinda good at video games for some reason.

>>102581981 (OP)
Always has been

>>102581981 (OP)
the west ruins literally everything. a plague upon humanity, both literally int the past and metaphorically in the present.

>>102581981 (OP)
if you are going to lower your standard to porn streamers, you might aswell get a mail-order bride.

>>102582053
I read a comment on a Japanese video about the Vshojo drama. It read something like “It seems like the vtubers in the west are attracted to drama and use that to grow their audience.” And I really have to agree.

>>102581981 (OP)
>Wait. Are you telling me that EN Vtubing is just the next step in the streamer whore pipeline?
This is why you oshi JP corpos. If you oshi women you're no better than simps of onlyfans egirls.
Japanese fans are right.

>>102582415
So~ typical white woman brainrot.

>>102582511
>white woman
What the fuck do you think the west is?

Hi I'm Lee Sungjae from Korea, stop watching stupid hololive and watch ISEGYE IDOL everyone, they are the best virtual idols in the world.

my X : _Hoto_cocoa_

>>102582469
It’s crazy to think that “whoring” out in Japan is so much more elegant and respectful towards the costumer but I guess that stems from the long tradition of Geisha’s and Oiran’s that part of the culture.

>>102581981 (OP)
This hobby was doomed the moment HoloEN became a thing. EN vtubers existed before then but they were small and had a tiny following. It was all downhill from there.
The hobby has been damaged beyond repair. JPs are far from perfect and a far cry from the Heavenly Kings era but it's your only salvation at this point

>>102581981 (OP)
How did we go vtubers making goofy 10 minute Let's Plays to them talking about their husbands and their entire fandom making cuck fantasies? Christ I miss 2017.

>>102581981 (OP)
>EN
JP vtubing is no different, EOP-sama. Blame Niji and Holo.

>>102582053
>>102582415
>>102582469
>>102582511
>>102582709
>>102582811
>Its another "Ken-samas pretends like the Nips didn't have their fair share of hoes on the downlow" episode

>>102583145
I feel like we are actually evolving backwards with Vtubing rather than progressing.

Maybe the real evolution of vtubing is actually just AI at this point.

>>102583234
>>102583238
What's funnier is that OP compares it all to Kizuna Ai, but Kizuna-style vtubers died out before COVID and before EN vtubing was relevant in any way

>>102583352
Yes, it was killed by Niji and Holo, the JP ones. As I've said.

>>102583352
Yea what's funny is that Nijisanji popularizing Live 2D and Live streaming kinda killed that style of vtubing in the East
Kizuna and her derivatives just couldn't adapt

>>102581981 (OP)
I blame HololiveEN, it's all downhill from there.

>>102583540
What's funny is some fucktards here pretending they want it back.

>>102583238
Keep using this example like it's some ultimate gotcha when the main point is about how vtubers keep breaking kayfabe
Rushia, for all of her endless, unforgivable faults, kept kayfabe. EN vtubers never even attempted.

>>102583238
the thing is the japs are making fun of her, they don't support her shit

>>102584147
Vtubers having "kayfabe" is a en concept, retard

>>102584335
Way to miss the point in entirely, catalogfriend. This is why posting during these hours is a mistake.

>>102581981 (OP)
Any camwhores who play AOE2 ranked?

>>102584368
You don't have a point, you are just a seething EOP faggot

>>102581981 (OP)
Just watch JP vtubers.

>>102582053
As a Russian who was strongly pro-western back in 2014, I now see that Japan/Singapore is a peak of human civilization right now.
Culture war is killing the West

>>102583145
>How did we go
We didn't go from anything to anything. You did. How did it happen? You let /vt/ live in your mind instead of seeking out the things that you actually like. Vtubing for me hasn't changed in all these years because I know what I like and I go out to find more of it. Stop following the crowd, stop letting algorithms feed you garbage.

>>102585159
WAIT WHAT HAPPENED D:

>>102585159
Japan's civilization model isn't sustainable. Their population is dying out. They are "peak" in some areas, but human civilization isn't it.

>>102581981 (OP)
Just wait until you learn about Japanese whores!

>>102581981 (OP)
>act like they like you
they don't actually need to do this part, either

>>102585295
All first world countries are dying out. It doesn't matter. AI is a few years away from taking over.

>>102581981 (OP)
girls had to be pretty, now they need to have nice voices or at least pretend they are female
nothing has changed

>>102584147
Mi chan sure kept a really good keyfabe

>>102581981 (OP)
>WTF.Oh how far we have fallen from Kizuna AI. Atleast she was a REAL virtual YouTuber.
she became a boring singing idol. and she was already a VA idol before that....

that's like saying Pewdiepie the indie vtuber only got famous because Marzia is very smort.

>>102585159
>Japan/Singapore
huh? everyone hates SEA monkies here. and singapoor is literally colonised by CCP china now. AND india. also their vtubers are totally irrelevent if any.

>>102582053
Here’s your (you).

>>102582346
mail order brides would be to much responbility for the beta cucks that post on 4chan if they was capable of being in a relationship they'd be out dating and not posting here you'd most likely need a micrscope to find their sausage too

>>102585322
They don't have to put on a voice either. If they actually try and sound like a virtual anime character (you know, V as in Virtual Youtuber) and play a role, the current normie base just throws a fit and calls it fake and offputting. They literally only want twitch-whores with avatars.

>>102584518
Hera? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBJ1805_xbs

>>102586303
>virtual anime character
>virtual youtuber
See the difference? If you want anime characters - watch anime

>>102585240
Propaganda of trannies, niggers and whores in every single piece of pop-culture.
For example, I love wh40k setting and they added female space marines which is idiotic lore-wise. LoTR also ruined.
Now trannies push whore-culture (((realism))) into japanese idol culture

>>102586655
Vtubing has very little to do with japanese idol culture

>>102586655
If you told me this was a /pol/ LLM generated post, I'd believe you.

>>102586809
Indies yes. I would not care if they would stop there. I watch holos. But when twitter fags start festering /here/ when holo breaks another unspoken rule of being idol, you understand that they won't stop until everything lies in ruins

>>102586943
Holos as well. You can see actual former idols fleeing to Hololive to escape the faggotry of "idol culture" retards.

>>102586655
But marriage and family are peak traditional values. Putin would be proud. Idols milking desperate retards for money is the real whore-culture.

>>102581981 (OP)
>he thinks Kizuna was streaming in full make up and sexy dress every time

>>102587202
>he thinks Kizuna was streaming

>>102586529
>invades hobby
>removes integral part of the hobby
>"heh, if you want that, go do your hobby elsewhere"
literal nigger behaviour

>>102587177
Very few people supporting her decision highline trad values.
They are mostly feminists who celebrate moral victory over unicuck strawmen

>>102581981 (OP)
>put on a funny voice
>act like they like you
The point of Non JP vtubers is to specifically NOT have to do these public humiliation rituals. Western vtubers can use their normal, unfiltered voice, don't have to pretend if they don't like you, and still be successful amassing an audience of likeminded viewers.

>>102587305
So why don't you support her decision with the correct motives? Instead of seething on a basket-weaving forum.

>>102587266
You were the invaders though

>>102587413
Because I don't want to be a part of minority on the next matter. Slippery slope, simple as

>>102587538
What?
You sound like you're already a part of the minority. The alphabet one.

>>102587432
>invades hobby
>ruins it
>blames the original hobby enjoyers
literal woman behavior

>>102588113
Show tits then

>>102581981 (OP)
>some of the girls are actually kinda good at video games for some reason
Proof? For research purposes of course...

>>102588179
>projecting this hard
stay delusional sister

>>102588274
Concession accepted

>>102586391
He's not a camwhore.

>>102581981 (OP)
>back to porn streaming
This is what anons have been saying for ages. There are too many fake vtuber fans who are just porn-addicted coomers.

>>102581981 (OP)
kizuna my beloved save the hobby you brought me into

>>102592217
She lost her spark, she's too focused on music that no one cares about.

>>102587202
>Kizuna
>Streaming
Are you people even trying to hide your new status anymore?

>>102581981 (OP)
Western fault btw

>>102581981 (OP)
yeah
no more roleplaying a character
just avatars for e-whores to bitch about real life stuff,

>>102592640
Left = Kizuna Ai & Gold Ship
Right = everything else

>>102582415
Because westoid "men" are woman brained degenerates. All they care about is bitching and gossiping. Just look at the threads and the discourse on this board.

>>102592506
i dont know about that losing spark business, she can still rev up my engines well, and some of her new songs do well. she even has an event coming this year

>>102582415
Have you seen 5ch?

Its really funny seeing unicorns get slaughtered. Also complaining about whores when settling down and having a family is literally the opposite.

>>102592640
If your streaming, finding something to talk about for 4 hours or more is ridiculous. Moreso if you've been doing it for multiple years

>>102583238
whores, Japan are unironically still less disgusting

>>102593421
ASMR is worse than prostitution. you know it, I know it, and the rotten black emptiness in that voice actress' chest knows it best.

>>102593731
No one is coming inside her during ASMR.

>>102593421
Actually, there's a whole thread of unicorns giving up on their oshi and deciding to take up healthier habits outside of giving money to egirls who don't actually care about you.
I'd say that's a much better outcome over simps that continue to give money to most of these predatory vtubers who are only in this hobby for money

theres room for all kinds of vtubers! peaceful coexistence! yay!

>>102593957
soul matters more than a hole

>>102593997
Good for them, thats the main intent of her announcement, weed out the weirdos

>>102585295
You know this whole copy pasta is jewish trick and they say the same for every country ?

>>102585159
Japan is a dying country literally and metaphorically. Singapore is a tiny city state, calling them a civilization is like calling Monaco or the Vatican a civilization.

>>102594461
Japan started dying after becoming a colony of America and being corrupted by western "culture".

>>102585159
i want to move to russia and bang one of your shitty vtubers there, a bunch of them are crazy hot..

>>102595220
moves to russia becomes canon fodder for putin ... nothing of value was lost

>>102581981 (OP)
i stopped watching them a while ago, but i still like seeing funny clips of marine every now and then on my timeline. does anyone here GENUINELY still watch vtubers for the gfe? they could be dating or married or whatever the fuck and you wouldn't know and there'd be no way for you to change that, why do you give them your money? isn't it degrading?

>>102592640
>>102581981 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/@Azumalim
https://www.youtube.com/@Pmarusama
https://www.youtube.com/@みやまんチャンネル
https://www.youtube.com/@LjotSwanhild
https://www.youtube.com/@Suraya_Archive

>>102595397
>https://www.youtube.com/@Pmarusama
UUUUUUUUU GYAAAAAAAAH

>>102594160
How is that weeding the weirdos out though? They're quitting her and doing something productive. If anything, the weirdos are the ones who still donate with this knowledge. Trying to paint this as some big masterful plan is disingenuous.

>>102595397
>https://www.youtube.com/@LjotSwanhild
Fail.
This description is written by a HUMAN to inform others about the PEOPLE behind the character.

>>102595397
where nojacat or himehina my man

>>102595397
>https://www.youtube.com/@Suraya_Archive
wtf is even this. stop shilling your own channel.

>>102595397
>https://www.youtube.com/@みやまんチャンネル
Oh, Project Cold. I like this multi-media quiz series.
Everyone should play their latest game Project Cold: Case Mirage, but it's region locked so you have to pirate it.
But I'm not sure if this counts as v-tuber.

>>102595397
>https://www.youtube.com/@Azumalim
her voice acting sucks and her contents are too cringe (in a bad way).

>https://www.youtube.com/@Pmarusama
very good, but it's more of a singing & animation channel than v-tuber.... which is good. vtubers suck.

>>102595791
>doing something productive
lmao, they are seething in a thread next door, you said it yourself

>>102592755
The only vtuber that actually fits left nowadays is Neuro-sama.

>>102581981 (OP)
A perfect example of this is when the person voicing Kizuna AI was involved in some relationship drama, Kizuna herself posted "Kizuna AI is an AI with an ego and has no gender" and was not involved.

The character is not the same as the person voicing and roleplaying it. I don't need to know about their personal lives, or getting married, pregnant, etcetera.

>>102596424
>dissing Pmarusama
Kill this heathen!

>>102596211
It's the only good example I've found in the ENvtubing space

>>102596553
I literally didn't but whatever the voices tell you, mate.

>>102597302
>there's a whole thread of unicorns giving up on their oshi

>>102596776
Yes, the character needs to be COMPLETLEY SEPARATED from the human behind it. But most, if not all modern vtubers are simply using their v-character as a mask, an avatar. It defeats the whole purpose of the V.

>>102596794
I'm praising pmarusama

>>102597672
That would be like FWMC but even worse. Noone would actually watch it.

>>102592640
TRVKENOVA

>>102598212
God I fucking miss Tsugu-chan.

>>102582511
>white women
Yes anon, white men have never had spergouts before

>>102583613
Then blame Coco, shes the ones that pushed for this wave of western style vtubing. I told you people the dragon was bad news.

>>102581981 (OP)
>And all they do is talk about irl normie shit now!?
Not the ones who make decent money. The ones who cry and have mental breakdowns because nobody wants to watch her and her boyfriend play shit together? Those are the ones who talk about irl normie shit.

>>102585159
Russia is part of the west retard

>>102595220
Anon, thats how they honeydick you. As soon as you arrive into the frontlines you go and 4 months later you are a /k/fags lunchtime video watch for that day.

>>102595397
The answer is in front of your very eyes but you are too lazy. Do your reps, learn Japanese.

>>102586809
genuinely fucking kill yourself regardless of if you are baiting or not

>>102599307
>Russia is part of the west retard
lol

>>102586655
Fags who scream about faggots and trannies and go around (((using))) their stupid fucking echoes because they wanna bring in their jew obsession into everything, are also the problem. You are literally the problem retard.

>>102581981 (OP)
>Are you telling me that EN Vtubing is just the next step in the streamer whore pipeline?

>>102599393
seethe more

>>102595311
im more valuable than you are, seanigger

>>102599266
Miko, Marine and Pekora talk about irl normie shit all the time. Fuck, JPs in general talk about food 50% of the time.

>>102599643
What did you expect? Women dont talk about anything interesting

>>102599443
>directly responsible for pushing culture war shit via troll farms
crabs in a bucket

>>102601203
I didn't expect anything, just pointing it out for eop ken-samas itt.