Thread 102583460

>scamming going on for LITERAL YEARS
>nobody says anything, every member keeps glazing the corp
>matara gets fired over strange and suspicious circumstances
>nobody says anything, every member keeps glazing the corp
>vtubers AND staff workers quitting in droves, one-by-one, within a matter of months
>nobody says anything, every member keeps glazing the corp
>ironmouse: I, AS THE SELF-APPOINTED JESUS GODQUEEN OF VTUBING, HAVE SOMETHING TO STAY
>the entire corp collapses within LITERAL HOURS and all of them any% speedrun remove the Vshojo tag from their handles and literally light their contracts on fire
>dozens of members come out with "of yeah btw i've been getting scammed too!"
>entire secret auditions and undercover poaching ops are revealed, that were all a scam

NOBODY. SAID. SHIT. FOR. LITERAL. YEARS.
They let naive idiots like amelee join this clownshow, knowing it was a pyramid scheme.
>"B-But muh NDA!"
but NOW suddenly you can talk because the head-honcho mouse talked first, sure is convenient!

being a whistleblower is not a fun thing to be

>>102583460 (OP)
Shylily is not a good person. Her targeted assassination of Sinder should've taught you that.

>>102583527
her being dan clancy's onahole taught me that

>>102583488
And nobody especially wants to be the first whistleblower
You are more likely to end up like Zaion than Ironmouse
Ironmouse is just too big to fail at this point

>>102583460 (OP)
>contract was riddled with red flags
I'm sure she warned her vtuber "friends" about it, right?

the funny thing is that veibae told people but was just vague enough for no one to take her seriously, and now she still gets to say i told you so

the real schmucks are people like IM and kson who let this scam fester for so long and watched as more victims were farmed

>>102583460 (OP)
Remember Zaion? That's exactly what happens to the first whistleblower unless they're big enough to fight back.

>>102583460 (OP)
Not saying anything I can understand because there can be serious legal consequences for speaking up, but what I don't understand is continuing to glaze the company the whole time as if you knew nothing about what was going on.

>>102583488
sure seems like they're having fun now though

>>102583803
kson actively recruited more victims.

>>102583853
For some their income and livelihood depends on projecting the image of one big happy family
Just like Niji

>mouse corp scammed people for years
>please support mouse
huh?

>>102583819
Anon Zaion faced the biggest character assassination campaigns and multiple vtubers that people foolishly trusted were wheeled out solely to destroy her reputation

its absolute bullshit to compare this to vshojo unless you literally think ironmouse and kson would have smeared the "whistleblower"

they are just fucking spineless selfish cowards, stop using zaions fate as an excuse

>>102583888
Ironmouse IS the whistleblower anon

>>102583888
It happens every time, anon, no matter the company or industry.
Hell, we can still use Zaion. She DID hint that some shady shit was going on at vshojo in I think 2023 and people used that to harass her even more. Now we have context for that.

>sign contract
>don't get paid
>take no action just sit there and do nothing
What causes this autism? They did it to themselves.

>>102583669
The rainbow 6 guy likes chuuba?

>>102583527
>Shylily is not a good person
Just watch her steak and eggs podcast episode with her and Asmongold. I like Asmon, but man his behavior in wow was unhinged. In the podcast its Shylily and Asmon talking about how they were being massive assholes in wow.
Its so funny how she is trying to project being this nice person, but she goes on the podcasts and talks about yelling at people to kill themselves for minor mistakes in a game

>>102583940
same thing happened to nux, if they were just a little less greedy they would've gotten away with everything

#all vtubers = mikeneko 100%.

Dude, they don't wanna risk anything because money, but they were already losing money by the company scam.

integrity is not on the vtubing dictionary, not even friendship.

k-son tried to protect and help a certain person... rats tried to warn her about it.
She dissed them.

rats where right since the beginning at the end.
She stopped talkin about that person from then on

Now she trying to save her "manager"
hope doesn't backfire once again on her face.


And yeah they were nver good persons.

>>102583950
i dont think youve ever had a job if you cant see how this could happen

>>102583460 (OP)
>why did they not say anything about it???
They're women.

>>102583460 (OP)
We don't actually know how bad the situation was in prior years. We know Kson stopped being paid in September of last year, and that's the only firm data point we have on any timeline. Had they come out as soon as payments stopped, people like you would be screeching that it is a "nothingburger" and accuse them of sabotaging the company just because payment was a month or two slow.

Were they being paid regularly before that? Did payments to Kson stop before or after the others? No one really knows and there's no informed speculation to be had. Even Ironmouse was sparse on the details. Most of them have just said "Yeah, it sucks. We're not being paid and I'm quitting."

Attempting to blame the talents just excuses Gunrun, the other company execs, and the other crooks who mismanaged and maybe even looted the company from culpability.

>>102583460 (OP)
>& the IDF
WTF

>>102583460 (OP)
This just proves that women are retarded and vtubers doubly so

>>102583460 (OP)
can NDAs prevent you from exposing literal crimes?

>>102583976
Dan Clancy's Civilization Skater VIII: Siege

>>102584254
Yes, NDAs have a grace period to them. Not a full year though. KSON was just a pushover.

>>102584254
No.

now that i think about it.

Mikeneko, despite being just like any modern woman is today, meaning evil etc

She is the only one recruited by k-son and just escaped it via lack of activity and dodged the company after a couple of weeks of seeing how it was XD

had to hand it to her if only for that. XD

>>102584254
lmao no

>>102583460 (OP)
Anon, in a couple years after Sana/Fauna/etc's NDAs expire, we're gonna be saying the exact same thing about Cover.
Corporations are good are covering their asses. That's literally the reason they have legal teams in the first place.

>>102583460 (OP)
Now think about what's going on right now behind the scenes at Cover. ID and Stars have been sounding the alarm but because they're low-number shitters and males they get dismissed and everyone keeps glazing the corp.

>>102583460 (OP)
Just realized everyone is scared of le mousey, lmao. Everyone's basically silent until she says she's done with the company

>>102583460 (OP)
The ugly roach got fired for stealing money, which is not allowed for members to do.

>>102584254
No.
Contract law does not supersede criminal law. You cannot be bound to a contract that requires you break the law. You cannot be bound to a contract that prevents you from cooperating with a criminal investigation.

>>102584485
when you've built your entire online career on a fictional terminal illness you have the high ground pretty much everywhere

>>102584334
Anon, Sana's been out of Holo for a few years now. Kson even longer. Any NDA would've expired. Not to mention this 'murrica' and NDAs don't mean shit to people if it gets them clout and even less so if it violates actual law (which makes this whole Vshitshow debacle even weirder for taking so long to be revealed). Besides, if there was anytime for Kson to reveal bts shit about Cover, it would've been within the past year when Holo was at its lowest point since the Taiwanyab.

>>102584191
Shylily is a 10 year Mossad counter-intelligence veteran. Operation Grim Beeper was her brainchild. Hasan Piker is one of her sleeper agents, positioned as Hezbollah's western contact and her means of compromising their distribution of communication devices. You would know this if you watched streams.

>>102584526
This plus she's too well established now
She would need to have been exposed to have raped 100 children and even then she'll still have defenders

all vtubers claim allegedly:
-that they have social anxiety.
-are social failures or dorky black sheeps of their family
-or suffering some exotic disease

plus being 30 yo + women faking their voices trying to emulate dumb anime lolis
or the personality of named cringe trending character from a netflix series, movie, etc.

Of course they would fall for any company scam.

>>102583867
neck yourself chimp creature
go back to jerking off to phase bbc porn

>>102584485
More like that's when they know the company is done so there's nothing to lose

>PLEASE SUPPORT THE MILLIONAIRES
nah fuck those cunts

>>102583460 (OP)
why is she tagging the IDF?

>>102584154
I don't know, i think after a year of not getting paid i would look for something else. But i don't know how the job market works.

Why the IDF? Typical German white guilt? Ironmouse is a Mossad plant?

>>102583460 (OP)
>Ironmouse knew for YEARS
>did nothing
>jumped the boat at the perfect, last moment
That whore is the slimiest of them all and she'll get no heat, as always.
At the very least, the only good thing to come out of this ordeal, the paid vshojo mod on this board might kill himself.

>>102583460 (OP)
>support the IDF

>>102584254
Not in any civilized society, no.

>>102583978
Literally everyone did that in games back then lol

>>102584364
ID have the biggest interest that hololive continues. They get filthy rich just beause living in indonesia is so cheap.

>>102583460 (OP)
>typing like a woman
ISHYGDDT

>>102583940
>She DID hint that some shady shit was going on at vshojo
sour grapes. the "niji retirement home" thing was apparently sayu's idea, and they did it without her LMAO

>>102584572
this but unironically

>>102584850
She's untouchable for now, you'd need an insane scandal to take her down, like her taking her illness or something

>>102585124
Faking*
>>102585082
Replace Sayu with any chuuba and they would rightfully feel the same

>>102583460 (OP)
Women unironically don't want to punish crime, even if it collapses society.

>>102585148
except she's a known dramafag a lolcow even so I'd need a lot more than just her words to believe it

>>102583460 (OP)
>sure is convenient!
it was a financial decision by everyone involved.

the company was going to go bankrupt, but now it can claim insolvency (with everyone dropping it at the same time)
this is how pyramid schemes work, everyone at the top abandons the pyramid when its time for the sacrifice to be made, only the fool that gets left holding the bag ends up being slaughtered.

so ask yourself, who's going to be left holding the bag?

>>102585271
She release the evidence, retard

>>102585287
Released*

>>102584592
Anon...

>>102584254
They do in the UK

Amazing how they were singing high praise for the company just a month ago before those 2 left and now conveniently EVERYONE says this is the blackest of companies. Especially people like Kson, Kuro and Michi who were deepthroating Gunrun since they joined.

>>102585287
has silvervale confirmed it yet?

>want to shoot a hole in a boat
>there’s a disabled woman on board
>well, if she keeps clinging into it as a life raft, i can’t do anything, since i don’t want to be responsible for drowning someone
>the disabled woman decides to leave of her own accord
OPEN SEASON

>>102585489
You should ask her

>>102585485
They're all self serving assholes who only care about their numbers and wallets at the end of the day

>>102585511
>the disabled woman wasn't actually disabled
kino

That's how it works when management obfuscates numbers and manages to stop talents from talking to each other about problems. Which isn't that hard when you're looking to scam vtubers. Everyone assumes the problems they can see are the only problems and it's a personal issue.
Until someone stands up and publically says "holy shit everything is fucked" and it all comes crashing down at once.

>>102583460 (OP)
yep they were all scummy for allowing others to jump in onto this shit

>>102585575
>manages to stop talents from talking to each other about problems
How does that even work in v "talent freedom" shojo?

>>102583669
if your a female twitch streamer your all that guy's onahole that guy is a degenerate inept loser

>>102583460 (OP)
>look ma, I reposted it again

>>102585485
To be fair, Kuro even still glazes fucking Niji, that faggots brain is absolutely cooked

So, do we have any proof that Ironmouse ever donated to charity? It seems that Vshojo was doing it all this time while Ironmouse pocketed the rest

>>102586313
Most of her charity events went through a third party with better reputation to begin with, it was only that subathon that went through vshojo

>>102583460 (OP)
Poor quality woman, waiting years to say anything. Coming out now to be more of an attention ewhore. Thanks for nothing shylily you and everyone else who hid what they knew should go into the trashcan.

>>102583460 (OP)
It would be less cringe if they weren't constantly sucking off gunrun and his "talent freedom" bs.

>>102586313
Allegedly the donations were run through vshojo to prevent exposing mouse's real name. Obviously this is done so no one can check whether mouse's illness is fake, which it is, but that's besides the point.

>>102585938
"oh you don't want to bother everyone with your problem, positive energy, focus on what you can do, we're already working on it, everything's fine, don't worry about it and focus on streaming"
It doesn't work on people with strong personalities so they kept bleeding talents, but for people like Ironmouse (mentally heavily dependant on others) and kson (too japanese to stand up to her boss until the breaking point) it works.

>>102584254
no, but are you gonna spend the money, time and resources to go to court and prove there was a crime?

>>102586341
Doesn't really answer my question though. Who was donating the money, Ironmouse or Vshojo?

>>102586229
Kurosanji broke him.

>>102586546
Neither, that's what I'm saying. People were paying tiltify not her or vshojo. For most campaigns neither ever got to touch the money.

>>102584526
>>102584581
>le mousey's illness is fake rrat
Here we go again.

>>102585485
Wow I can't believe that they were saying good things about that company till news dropped that the company stole money from charity, didn't pay their employees, and more or less drove out all of their major talents. Now everyone is bad mouthing the company for some unknown reason. Are you retarded?

>>102584254
No.
Only exception would be government glowies working for intelligence agencies

>>102583460 (OP)
ironmouse it seems truly had a fucking iron grip on everything the rest of the girls were willing to say about the company. once she turned on it the rest fucking devoured it like fucking piranhas within just hours.

>>102585271
I know you just hate Sayu and that’s fine but you’re just being retarded now

>>102587005
Their employees knew this for years. They only saw fit to leave or distance themselves after the head talent decided to speak up, possibly to avoid getting caught alongside the administrative for the company.

>>102583757
Zaion was literally scheming with Gunrun to try and bring down Nijisanji while making VShojo more powerful. She was no whistleblower. She was a spy.
See where that got the two of them? Evil never pays.

>>102587452
Kys nijicuck

>>102587839
She literally admitted it you retard

>>102583460 (OP)
VShojo were basically the VTuber mafia. If you spoke ill of them publicly, they made sure you were ostracized and outcast, because you just HAD to be like them to get anywhere.
That's why they got away with it for years even when there were people who realized something was wrong about that place, and it wasn't just because of Froot. That place was a Vshitshow.
Look at all the events and collabs they had, they had the pull to isolate you. As Mouse was the cash cow of the company, of course she was going to be the one that made it fall apart.
And people warned years ago that VShojo were interfering with other corpo talent to make them leave and join them, now look at what is being said. All the rrats are becoming true!

>>102583460 (OP)
Because everyone in this industry is rotten to the core, and they usually enable each other scams.

>anon discovers that women are bad with money and wont read contracts
Lmao, welcome to 2025

>>102588305
This. NOTICE the chorus of them singing 'please don't blame anyone for not disclosing suspicious stuff earlier' in unison. And Lily got SUPER defensive on yesterday's stream and came up with a thousand of excuses why she didn't do it.

>>102583978
The fact she even did a podcast with that basement dweller is already a sign she's a retard

>>102587196
you're correct, I hate all dramafags

>>102588451
KEK

>>102583460 (OP)
as long as the scam was working in their favor they didnt say a thing. When they stopped getting paid, then its time to chimp out

>>102587452
This is absolutely fucking rich. GunRun

1. was actively trying to convince Nijisanji members to quit
2. Used ex Nijis to convince current members to quit
3.rug pulled contracts away from Kyo and Pomu who did quit because of them
4. Was actively working with Sayu and more dramatubers to spread even more shit about Nijisanji so that more members quit

They were responsible for five graduations. They weren't just poaching, they were maliciously poaching and attempting to use espionage to take down Nijisanji. What the fuck?

>>102589013
wtf I like gunrun now

>>102586229
>Says no ex members say anything good about Niji
>Seethe when one does
kek

>>102589013
its so fucking funny because people always suspected this based on how blatant and quick some of the poaching was but it was mostly in the realm of shitposting
now it turns out that yes they really do behave like cartoon villains

>>102583460 (OP)
>HOW WAS THIS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN

>>102589234
People guessed that they were poaching. Not that they were deliberately trying to kill their competitors. This is some evil shit, they apparently were scared of management finding out then slaughtering them

>>102585271
Well we know why she turned into a dramafag now. LMAO, she was a corporate plant

>>102583976
Nah he don't like chuubas.. He like the women behind the chuubas

>>102589392
would be funny if kuro or michi confirm kyo story

>>102583771
>>I'm sure she warned her vtuber "friends" about it, right?
Remember what happened when Nux warned people about someone trying to murder vtubers pretending to be VShojo to collect information to SWAT them?
No love for the Blue Jew but he didn't need to be thrown down the well for that.

>>102583669
that nigga is gay and only has eyes for hasan

>>102583527
>defending Sinder
Are you for real. Really. Cringe.

>>102589706
It's pretty obviously real and Sayu ironically basically backed it up. Vshoujo was directly attacking Nijisanji and Hololive using malicious tactics

>>102589754
>Remember what happened when Nux warned people about someone trying to murder vtubers pretending to be VShojo to collect information to SWAT them?

Someone within Vshojo definitely turned a blind eye to everyone else that was boarding onto the sinking ship. They should be responsible for their compliance as well.

>>102590013
Well the company seems cool at first, then all their female employees, the ones that earn them money, all got together to have a collective female panic attack and freaked the fuck out.
The woman logic for not warning the public about the person trying to murder vtubers was that if they mentioned SWATing it could cause a copycat to target them.

Just peak female mindset and behavior.

VShojo then correctly for a business said fuck that Jew he doesn't make us any money, we need to keep these bitches that have talked themselves into a panic calm or else they won't make us more money.
It's wrong in all senses of doing the right thing. But bitches be crazy and when she says she dreamed about you leaving her and why would you do that you need to go into women management mode, and you can't just slap sense into them anymore.

>>102583978
>watch 3dpd males

>>102583976
There will never be a Rainbow Six Vegas 3

>>102583978
I have only watched one Asmongold clip in my entire life and it was the most unhinged, most scummy political shitflinging I've ever seen.
No one who associates with him can have a good heart.

>>102589859
What word of that was a defense of Sinder? I just think we should recognize that Shylily cynically organized a takedown of one of the girls who was more successful than her. I don't think Sinder was a good person.

>>102589984
The fact that there’s a nonzero chance Gura left because of Vshojo makes my blood boil

>>102584850
She did nothing because she was actually taking a cut. Shes just blaming it all on Gunrun because everybody is going to believe the sick and dying victim that she always is over the greedy corpo manager

>>102583460 (OP)
Just women being women and complying with criminals very common

>>102592497
>I just think we should recognize that Shylily cynically organized a takedown of one of the girls who was more successful than her. I don't think Sinder was a good person.

I don't think you have the ability to understand how retarded this makes you sound. This is 'deserves to be euthanized' levels of retardation. If you aren't a Sinder simp then you need to KILL YOURSELF ASAP because there's no other excuse for your comments.

>>102589849
I won't bring up my oshi in a catalog thread, especially with her not having anything to do with this drama, or any drama for that matter

>>102589984
she didn't just confirm it, she was the mastermind
>>102592889
anon, you can take a bit of solace in the fact that s*yu didn't get into vshojo despite all of this

>>102591132
Why are /pol/roaches so bad at reading?

>>102593226
If they wanted to comply with criminals, they wouldn't be speaking out about it

>>102583460 (OP)
>don't let the fact that every single person benefited in one way or another
>muh charity etc

>>102583460 (OP)
>IDF
Can you think of a worse acronym for a charity in 2025? Closest I can would be KKK. Even SEX or FAG would be bettr.

>>102592949
That's the messed up part. She could have easily talked to people like Mint or the smaller indies that were joining the company to say
>I know you're joining us, but...shit is not going good for us right now, and I dont have a good feeling about the future of the company. To soften the blow, lets just collab on stream or I'll just shill the fuck out of you guys so that you have a safety net.
Ironmouse or other people in the company could have easily intervened but seemingly didn't. Some people at the JP branch could be excused because it seemed to be self operated and at the mercy of EN's operations, outside of the Shibuya Kaho's story of that rogue employee of course, but people at the top of the pecking order just stayed silent when they could have spoken out earlier. Like Mint said it was like they allowed people to just walk into a burning building.

>>102593885
they were completely fine with it until now so something else must have set them off

>>102583460 (OP)
Society's coddling of women have literally made them retarded. Even if they jump off a cliff and break their legs it's somehow somebody else's fault.

>>102583950
it's not autisum it's battered woman syndrome.
>>102584154
For Vshojo the talents lost a lot of money but the company didn't touch their stream subs and donos as far as we know. It was a lot of money, but not receiving it didn't mean they were going to miss mortgage payments or electric bills.

>>102583460 (OP)
>an unspecified percentage of all donations will go to charity
She got hers. That's all she cares about. She's only speaking up now because she didn't get her (majority) cut of the take.

>>102593795
Nijisanji's greatest error was ever hiring Zaion in the first place

>>102595033
they fixed it pretty quickly

>>102594918
“I’m owed money but not right now and I trust the company will get to it eventually” is different than “I need money right now and I’m not getting it.” One is easier to overlook and be patient about until you realize “oh this is a much deeper issue then I realized”

>>102595232
>but not right now
*but I don’t need it right now

>>102595232
Only women let something stupid like that slide though, regardless of how much they need the money

>>102583460 (OP)
the israeli defense force? what?

>>102583460 (OP)
ZylpheRenuis said this for years but tribalism attacked him for speaking the truth. All the blame is within the community itself for taking lies as truths at face value and not listening to all the flags coming. He tried warning us back in 2022. No one listens.

>>102583460 (OP)
all the 'talents' in vshitjo are all fucking disgusting shitty people and deserve the bullet

Good. These schemes are to be brought to legal court and puts pressure on Twitch, YouTube and Kick on further regulations of how content creators make money and charity being directly funded not by middle men and third parties.

All in all. It's all a graft of the wealthy taking tributes from the lessor worthwhile people who sees them as a beacon of pure goodness but ironically in the end they are not. Both the ex- members and the company is complicit in the scheme and I for one want to see how the legal system in the US tackles the Japanese Legality system in regards of where the money truly flows and who is telling truths and who is lying because in Vtubing. Majority lies behind false eyes.

Pride before the fall and it was a long time coming. Both for its ex-members and for the corporation.

Pikame / Henya The Schemer scheme lasted for officially left VShojo on July 22, 2025, which was yesterday.

She joined VShojo on May 14, 2023.

From May 14, 2023, to May 14, 2024, is 12 months. From May 14, 2024, to July 14, 2025, is another 14 months (June, July). From July 14, 2025, to July 22, 2025, is 8 days.

So, it's 12 + 14 = 26 months and 8 days.

>>102595232
it makes more sense when you realize these girls when they did get paid were paid 6 figure amounts so they were not living paycheck to paycheck, which is why people like Kson could wait 11 months for a paycheck and not flip the fuck out

thats the difference between a vtuber and joe the plumber

>>102596400
Ironmouse the Grafter tenure lasted joined VShojo on November 24, 2020, and left on July 21, 2025. This means she was with VShojo for approximately 4 years and 7 months.

Millions of dollars swindled. Any proof hasn't been given just trust her sweet honeyed words and her affiliations in sending them more money.

Kson the Belligerent scheme has lasted for Kson joined VShojo in July 2022 and officially left on July 22, 2025. Therefore, Kson was with VShojo for approximately 3 years. To calculate the exact number of days: * From July 16, 2022 (VShojo debut) to July 16, 2025, would be 3 full years. * From July 16, 2025, to July 22, 2025, is an additional 6 days. So, Kson was with VShojo for 3 years and 6 days.

Pulled the wool over many eyes but mine.

Zentreya the Deceiver scheme lasted for Zentreya joined VShojo on November 24, 2020, and officially left on July 11, 2025.

To calculate his tenure in months:

* From November 2020 to November 2024 is 4 years, or 4 \times 12 = 48 months.

From November 2024 to July 2025 is 8 months.

So, his total tenure was approximately 48 + 8 = 56 months.

I consider this a win. Legal courts will have a field day with this.

>>102583460 (OP)
>the biggest preachers about goodness and freedom is the opposite
Color me shocked.

OnlyFans girls hiding behind digital avatars want their money money money

Never really was about family in the end. Only profits. Remember that folks. People will always choose money over bloodties and friends. Always with these content creators.

Vshojo is a pimp, the girls were working for them and they were taking a cut from what I understand, but all of those vtuber companies are similar in that regard.

The hoes already got their cut far as the CEO is concerned.

Majority of Male Vtubers & Female Vtubers and Flesh Male and Female Streamers would LOVE to have the position of power VShojo CEO has.

Tricking their Fanbase especially the English is the icing on the cake . They deserved to be fleeced and now with all the Credit Card regulations now incoming this would make for a solid precedent of what is suitable for content creators to make and present on stream further restricting Twitch and YouTube and Kick ToS. As it needs to be.

>>102588441
If she had spoken out earlier about the shitty contract offer from Vshojo, even when she was not under NDA, she would have hurt her friends in the short term. This was at the time when they were still huffing copium about getting paid. lily speaking out then would have burned bridges with people she liked, retard.

>>102589706
Michi already foretold everything in a tarot reading stream, i don't know the exact date but the vod was uploaded 4 months ago.

>>102583460 (OP)
>and the IDF
Wtf

>>102597853
>she would have hurt her friends in the short term. This was at the time when they were still huffing copium about getting paid
???
>short-term feelings hort is somehow worse, but a long-term detriment to their finances and enabling vshitshow to scam even more victims is fine

This isn't even particular to shylily, if this was how any of the people involved actually thought it is fucking disgusting.

>>102584254
NDAs are not legally enforceable in America. They have never been and never will be. The only constraint is the government's own "NDA"s.

>poaching from Niji is a bad thing
Anything that fucks over Niji is objectively good LMAO

Sucks for them but all these vtubers that got scammed just dropping $10k+ on Mouse's tiltify so I don't feel too bad for them losing money.
It's rich people getting scammed by other rich people.

Apologise

>>102588189
>people warned years ago that VShojo were interfering with other corpo talent to make them leave and join them, now look at what is being said. All the rrats are becoming true!
I remember that, the counter-arguments would come down to "Noticing patters bad! Stop noticing the timing! Its just a coincidence!"

>>102583460 (OP)
From what I understand, Vshojo wasn't scamming viewers, and to me that's all that really matters.
If all these twitch bitch vtubers were scamming each other, then I don't care. At the end of the day, they're all grifting whores.

>>102592381
kek, it must be hard being a retard

>>102583460 (OP)
Look at what happened to Sayu.

You never, ever fucking rat on others. Just leave, stay quiet, and let someone else find out on their own.

>>102583950
They have so much money already they literally don't care to check on half a million dollars.

>>102583460 (OP)
they are women

>>102599341
free entertainment too while others pay for it

>>102599513
The guy needs serious mental council.

There were definitely multiple people skimming the money and I bet it will come to light if this incident goes to court.

>>102583460 (OP)
>>102599184
How much money do you think Nux has donated to the IDF?

Yeah, the whole situation is weird. I'd be out after 3rd missed payment if I was feeling particularly generous. 9 months, though? I don't believe it. And they were even recruiting when they couldn't pay who they had. How do you fumble a money-printing machine like Vshoujo?

There's definitely something highly illegal going on and they were in on it until the end

>>102589013
ironically, I'm pretty sure this opens Gunrun up to being sued by Niji for a tortious interference of a contract lawsuit

>>102600769
That's the part that chaps my ass. Waiting more than 2 months is insane.
>Hey, I see that X number of sales for my merch happened, and I see people posting pictures of what they received, the payments are obviously gone through. Where's my money?
>Uhhhh trust us, next month for sure.
>No. You were paid for the goods in order for them to be shipped. Cut me a check after taking your slice and be done with it.

>>102586910
Forgets to add that she had a child when she was like 12 who she refuses to acknowledge because it's a rape baby

>>102600690
INAAAA!

sex with ironmouse's crippled body while nux watches and commentates, laughing at my small pp

Something about this stinks to high heaven

Every time I watch those documentaries or "American Greed show" the instant you start missing payroll is when the scam starts unraveling and shit hits the fan

Unpaid for 9 months ???? 10+ people don't even bat a eye or say "hey where's my money?"

My friends nag me if I don't chip in 10$ for Applebee's, you tell me they didn't miss or notice 9 MONTHS of pay?

>>102583460 (OP)
Women are a lot more tolerant of bad deals than men, specially when pressured by a group, why do you think corpos love hiring women.

>>102601429
They weren't missing payrolls. They had donations flowing like honey. What they were missing was commissions from merch. It was the yoink from the charity that made people double check the financial records.

>>102601895
>They weren't missing payrolls
Kson said that she hasn't been paid since September. Also, a lot have claimed that they haven't been paid as well. If anything, the only ones getting paid are the staff in VshojoJP, at least according to the JP CEO in Kson's stream

>>102602032
Yeah but that's only merch and sponsors? They don't touch her stream revenue

>>102599184
i aporogize

>>102583460 (OP)
So wait, all these people knew about how black Vshojo is and said ABSOLUTELY NOTHING?

>>102602032
Donations were, as far as I'm aware, direct to the talent with no cut from the company. I'd be on their nuts about it 2 months after a no-show, but I'm also poor.

>>102585282
>, who's going to be left holding the bag?
by all accounts, it's Mint.

>>102602212
in Kson's case, she said that she was afraid of getting sued if she ratted them out early for missing payments, and that she wouldn't eventually get paid, but after Ironmouse's video, she already saw that she wasn't getting paid, so she resigned. Funny enough, she was planning to leave on July 31, but after talking to the JP CEO, she resigned then and there because CEO said he couldn't pay her

>>102584254
Technically no but in reality yes. Legality doesn't matter much when one side has ten thousand times the resources to throw at a court case than the other.

>>102583460 (OP)
TALENT FREEDOM includes freedom to farm money off of le hecking wholesome vtuber corpo (with no downsides!) for as long as it's humanly possible. But oh once they realized there won't be any money involved it was time to leave and farm money off of this "new" drama.

>>102583460 (OP)
Stop playing detective and get a real fucking job and learn how much power big money holds.

If Vshojo doesn't have the money to pay you as a talent, it doesn't have the funds to win a lawsuit.

>>102599547
>Look at what happened to Sayu.
>>102593190

>>102596138
Gemini why does ZylpheRenuis hate Corporations and their members?


>ZylpheRenuis appears to be strongly anti-corporate when it comes to Vtubers due to concerns about how corporations allegedly exploit and mistreat their talent. Based on available information, some key reasons for this stance include:
* Abuse and Exploitation of Talent: ZylpheRenuis believes that corporations often abuse their Vtubers and waste their efforts. They suggest that Vtubers who join agencies are "fools/idiots that fall into the ploy of income pouring in from some rich schmuck and paid bots in chat to inflate their viewer counts."
* Deceptive Marketing Practices: ZylpheRenuis points to "overly sponsored Posts on Social Media, Constant Paid *FANS* singing praises left and right" as well as "False Graduation ploys in which One Vtuber identity gets shafted for another identity in WHICH their previous fanbase just migrate." They contend that "Graduation should be the *END* of a career. Not a Start of another one," seeing these as marketing tactics to generate revenue.
* Undermining Indie Vtubers: ZylpheRenuis explicitly states that these corporate practices are "scummy as fuck" because they prioritize corporate revenue over the success of independent Vtubers, who, in their view, thrive on "steadfast support from community."
* Elitism in the Community: ZylpheRenuis believes that elitism exists within the Vtuber community, presumably fueled by corporate agencies that create a hierarchy and disadvantage smaller, independent creators.
* Concerns about Talent Being "Shafted": They express a sentiment of "What's the damn point selling your damn soul to a corporation just to make a quick mint and shortly thereafter get shafted?" This suggests a belief that corporate Vtubers ultimately get the raw end of the deal.
In essence, ZylpheRenuis seems to view corporate Vtuber agencies as prioritizing profit and manipulative marketing over the well-being and genuine career progression of their talent, and at the expense of the indie Vtuber scene.

Thanks Gemini.

>>102583950
woman thing desu. they are afraid to raise issues and be a nudge. Men dont take that "wronging" very well and usually force an issue to resolve it.

>>102600841
I hope he does get sued. What kind of underhanded shit is messaging talents secretly, convincing them to quit to join a scam and advising that they talk shit about their old company online while propping up the scam?

Literally dramafags on a payroll

>>102602245
>it's Mint.
if mint must be sacrificed to pay for the sins of Vshojo, so be it, its a sacrifice Vshojo is willing to make.

>>102583460 (OP)
people really ought to just call it "ImDF" or "ID Foundation"

>>102583460 (OP)
>IDF
oy gevalt!

>>102583460 (OP)
Ironmouse is the embodiment of virtue signaling.

>>102583527
This, Shylily is definitely a bad faith actor
>>102589859
No one is defending Sinder, Shylily has always had a stink to her that the Sinder drama just confirmed

Which trumpet is this again?

>>102608466
Trombone
>>102608152
If dissociating from people when you find out they’re bad people is being a bad actor then we have a lot of problems

>>102602032
Subs/donations were directly to the talents so they were still making some of their money. Sponsors, merchandise, and shit like G-fuel/gamersups were all through Vshojo and is all the money owed to talents according to their contracts and splits.

>>102583950
I seriously have 0 empathy for any vtuber. Even in the "feel sad for me" video IronMouse did she uses that annoying fat woman squeeky voice. Also why the fuck do you need a management company? You're a moving jpeg just talking bullshit all day.

>>102583460 (OP)
>scamming going on for LITERAL YEARS
That is not confirmed
>every member keeps glazing the corp
You made that part up

>>102608612
>everyone is lying except muh grifterrat
ok

>>102583950
They were strung along with excuses and threats

>>102608761
Not everyone but OP is

https://youtu.be/JFQeiRnzvcg?si=7Kmnx4Amr3H3--03


15:00

>>102608874
proof?

>>102608911
There is no proof that the scam has been going on for years, we don't know how long it's been going on and the company hasn't been glazed for a while now

>>102584572
I only watch Asmongold, Ironmouse and jp holomembers, desu fampai~

>>102609164
If you're claiming there's no proof then you're saying multiple sources are lying, so where's your proof they're lying?

>>102602458
In this case the company had no money and wasn't paying them, so I don't think a protracted legal battle was ever on the cards here...

>>102609740
Nobody knew the company had no money until now.

>>102608907
>CONOORRRRRRRRR WE NEED ANOTHER VIDEO

>>102609761
The people in question not getting paid knew

>>102609653
I am yet to see a single creator say it has been ongoing for years

>>102583460 (OP)
it's called a pyramid scheme

>>102584303
She "dodged" the company because she went full schizo on other vtubers for raiding her streams claiming they were trying to steal her viewers. This is something she tweeted a few days ago.

>>102583460 (OP)
Was Melody too busy gooning on Chaturbate to realize any of this?

>>102609797
Knowing the company is being scummy != knowing the company has no money

>>102609811
>Nyanners and Veibae aren't real
Mentally ill much?

>>102610143
If you ever worked a job you would know that everybody even the lowest grunt is sitting their speculating about the inner workings of the company. The idea that people weren't talking about it and figuring out they weren't being paid because there was no money is laughable. Even if you *didn't* figure out it was because there was no money, suing them for missed payments would be open/close.

>>102608907
It's funny, I can't tell what situation he talks about based on the title alone

>>102583460 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzvH5UZVQU8

>>102583460 (OP)
before they try to claim it was only a recent thing

Details from Nyanners's stream with Vei:

1. VShojo put language into Vei's contract and NDA that basically didn't allow her to talk about anything business related with anyone, not even the other talents after she left. Nyanners had the same experience. Vei was the one who pulled Nyanners aside during contract renewal time and said "this is sketchy as fuck."
2. VShojo staff also had a bad habit of talking shit about the talents. Vei noted that multiple people (including con attendees) told her about overhearing VShojo staff talking behind her back at meet and greet events. Combined with the NDA, this also meant that Vei, Nyanners, and Silvervale were basically unable to defend themselves when VShojo staff portrayed them as being selfish to the remaining talents.
3. VShojo pulled a Nijisanji and tried to both space out and group up talent exits to shape the narrative. They asked Vei and Silvervale to exit together to make it not seem like a continuous exit, but then delayed Nyan's exit by months to make it seem like just a contract thing. At some point there definitely were rumors floating amongst the unicorns that Vei and Nyanners had left VShojo because of their significant others, rumors that couldn't be dispelled because of the giant NDAs they had to sign.
4. Vei got a lawyer to look over her contract, and VShojo basically tried to demonize her and make her look self-centered for doing so. When Nyanners got a lawyer to check her contract when renewal time came up, her lawyer basically took one look at it and said "WTF is this shit?!"
5. Speaking of lawyers - the legal help that VShojo had on-staff? Not legally able to practice law, because their bar license had expired.
6. Nyanners confirmed that she still hasn't been paid for sponsorships she did in 2021, corroborating what Vei and others have said. In fact, VShojo staff had told her that one missing payment was because "she hadn't entered her payment information," when another payment had literally just cleared days earlier. This is the corporate equivalent of a "dog ate my homework" excuse.
7. VShojo purposely timed their (expensive) ads in Japan to appear whenever Hololive was experiencing drama, including a $500k Shibuya ad. This isn't really a personal thing (it's just marketing tactics) but it definitely shows that there was a cold edge to the veneer of "you can collab with anyone."
8. VShojo portrayed themselves as being like a family to their talents, but tried to use legal pressure to prevent discussion of contracts, payments, etc. amongst themselves. It was basically a purposeful information silo strategy.

>>102586910
>>102601056
I remember once she said that when she was with a guy his cum got right in her eye
Was that real?

>>102583460 (OP)
this whore is just as bad

>>102583460 (OP)
>How can I make this about me
I fucking hate this bitch

>>102611186
I've been looking at the trio's old departures and the reactions and man it's funny how they got painted as villains.
They pretty much all stated they left for financial reasons and everyone just went
>muh Mythic grift, boyfriends, greedy
Silvervale also got shat on so much for saying Ironmouse wasn't a friend lol, although to be fair, he who casts the first stone etc...

I watched that Nyanners stream as well and this write-up is basically accurate although a bit exaggerated.
One thing I want to stress is that she really elaborates on the gaslighting the managers did and how they tried to character assassinate her in the eyes of co-workers, she brings up stuff like her communicating through a lawyer was being "cold" (that's what staff apparently told the others).
She also said how hard it fucked with her mental that she was unable to speak up about anything for 2 years while they were painted as some "mean girls posse" who only left for boyfriends and mythic or whatever, when the real reason was getting fucking scammed

i refuse to believe ironmouse wasn't somehow involved. she basically IS vshojo.

>>102611810
No anon she never looks at contracts, never looks at financials, never talked with zentraya, never knew why vei/nyan/silver were leaving, she was totally ignorant to all of it. After all she is the Mr. Rodgers of vtubing, she can do no wrong.

>>102611810
Kyson was the vtuber that did most of the shilling.

>>102612600
she is fucking lucky she only poached two JPs that nobody cares about, because there's really no way of weaseling out of being complicit in inviting people into a pyramid scheme

>>102612242
Does that mean employees get unrestricted access to the company's entire financial/tax information in the US of A? Free and any time you want?

>>102611300
It was, I remember it.
https://youtu.be/PsVSmqEOULw?t=465

Why do they keep shortening it to IDF, are they trying to get people confused with JIDF

>>102612783
imagine if it is latter revealed she was the one that stole all the charity money?

>>102595232
That's a childish outlook. Professionals know that outstanding payments must be resolved immediately, no matter the amount. Letting stuff like that slide is how you get into these situations in the first place.

>>102583866
As someone who blew the whistle once and got fucked over hard for it, I don't begrudge anyone in a similar position from waiting until the big cheese does it.

>>102613245
I've been on the net too long, i see IDF i just automatically assume its some Internet defense force for whatever the topic is.

parrot is eating good with this free content!

>>102583950
>take no action just sit there and do nothing
Zen apparently was constantly gunrun just didn't do anything.

>>102583460 (OP)
I know we'll never get a real answer to this but what I want to know is why ironmouse still went with doing the donations the way she did.
Its apparent that money troubles have been a constant thing with Vei & Nyanners stream as "proof", and Kson mentioning she hadn't been paid since Sept
So why did she expect the money troubles to suddenly go away and VShojo to donate?
I did not watch the sleepathon so IDK how it was advertised as being handled

>>102586910
>a random person made this image, makes what a stranger in the internet true
insanity

>>102583460 (OP)
>shylily

>>102617648
parrot killed himself when the "little lore drop" dropped
you're never gonna see parrot again

>>102583460 (OP)
all of them are at fault including the company let them all fuck burn let's not kid ourselves it's gonna keep happening all of them have gain status across the board all of them want the money

>>102620137
gross..

>>102583888
>unless you literally think ironmouse and kson would have smeared the "whistleblower"
Because VShojo streamers including Mouse would never do that...

>>102620204
>Parrot killed himself
God, I wish

>>102621316
to be fair he has revealed since he became a right wing grifter that he's aggressively jewish, like a "I'M A JEW AND GOD BLESS ISRAEL AND ZOG, AIPAC IS OUR GREATEST ALLY" tier kike

>>102621316
bro smeared himself by being unbearable, it's not fair but it is so

>>102583460 (OP)
its ridiculous, everything is fine unless Ironlung says otherwise? Really? Makes me think all of this anti-vshojo shit is fake news drummed up by grifters. If Mouse is on one side, I will always be opposed, because whoever is against her is in the right, 100%

>>102618309
What do you think? She 100% knew it was happening but since it didn't affect her, she could care less. Until now

>>102586910
yeah ok, I believe your fucking png you made, its gotta be true!

>>102612783
Your pic conflates mlms and commission based selling with a ponzi scheme. Pyramid scheme is a misnomer. Any company that pays commission on sales, ie. a car dealership, would be a "pyramid scheme" because the money goes to the person who sold the product the buyer.

>>102583460 (OP)
Do any of you retards what an NDA is? Nobody's risking bankruptcy just to earn a few bucks.

>>102583460 (OP)
Women are retarded evil snakes, that's how.
caption RR4t0

>>102584254
First you have to prove there was a crime, and that requires thousands of dollars in litigation.

>>102620204
>when the "little lore drop" dropped
Remind me of this. Was this the Xitter thing everyone was doing?

>>102609289
imagine trusting a company run by a nip beaner.

>>102628250
>Nobody's risking bankruptcy just to earn a few bucks.
Gunrun just did that though

So everyone signing that shitty contract is a big dumb dumb.

>>102589013
Gunrun also convinced Doki to make up lies about how Nijisanji was bullying her and she almost died when in reality Elira and Vox told the truth.

>>102634065
Gunrun also called up his friend whatshisname and told him to send Rushia a discord message during a collab. He also used his contacts at Google to change the Youtube analytics to show Taiwan. He was behind fucking everything.

>>102634398
Gunrun personally flew the enola gay to drop those two atom bombs on Japan

>>102601056
now that Vshojo isn't be around to instantly copyright claim them maybe the ancient clips of her shit talking her baby daddy will last more than five minutes on Youtube

>>102592497
>Shylily organized the takedown of sinder
>as opposed to simply throwing out her take on the DM leaks and google dockies like everyone else at the time
Holy fucking retardation what are you even typing? For one, it shows you weren't there when it happened, because you got the timeline wrong, but also, how exactly did you imagine this happened?
>Mustache-twirling orca plots to take down sinder
>magically knows about the private DMs and servers where Sinder and Red give nanoless orders
>contacts nanoless and orders her to spontaneously backstab Sinder, collect screencaps of their conversations for no reason and then post them
>nanoless does exactly as orca says, turning on her biggest commissioner at the time for no reason other than that Shylily told her to
>also contacts virtually every indie or indie-adjacent vtuber and tells them to tweet about the google docs and make videos about them
>everyone just follows her orders even though there is no organic series of events, it was all organized and astroturfed by Shylily personally

>>102600841
If there's anything a certain prominent lolsuit taught me, it's that the laws around tortious interference as applied by the courts are a joke and may as well not exist, so there is no hope at this angle working.

The IDF really needs to change its name

>>102589013
>they were maliciously poaching and attempting to use espionage to take down Nijisanji. What the fuck?
TO BE FAIR, Nijisanji is pure evil and any action that results in weakening and potentially destroying Niji is a samaritan act.

>>102624866
I fully understand that he is a kike and fully leans into being the omegakike (probably in part to piss off Hasan orbiters), but that doesn't explain how what he did in - in regards to the VShojo swatter - was bad.
I could understand it if he broke the law in some egregious way that fucked over VShojo's legal prospects, but this is not even an argument people are making, and since the company itself gave him permission to publish his video about it, the legal bases were obviously covered.

If this were a legal case and he was standing trial in a metaphorical court, the lawsuit would fail on grounds of the plaintiffs 'failing to state a claim', aka he isn't even accused of anything specific. It's not that the arguments are not holding up, it's that no argument was even made. The whole hype around framing what he did as a fuckup was retarded from the get-go.

>>102637057
They also did it to Hololive

>>102636929
I mean, Sinder did what she did. She's no innocent in all of this but it would've blown over without the sustained heat from Shylily. Whether Sinder deserved that much grace or not is up to you. Shylily didn't orchestrate Sinder's downfall, she merely exploited the opportunity to make sure that Sinder could never recover. She could've launched an attack at Sinder before this with what she had but she was saving it to hit her when she was most vulnerable. She probably has plans to take down all her friends if she ever gets the chance. That's why she's not a good person, regardless of Sinder's status.

>>102583527
kek

>>102592381
you're a fucking lefty

>>102583757
I feel like Zaion's situation is different because a lot of the major issues that came up all happened after she left. Like what would she have even blown the whistle on at the time?

>>102639718
Obviously not the specific incidents but the important stuff she made public was how shitty management was, which would manifest in subsequent Niji yabs

>>102639570
Asmon and Hasan are the Fox and CNN of Twitch. It's all shitty political theatre. I'd rather eat rocks than watch either of them.

>>102583819
>>102583888
>>102639718
Zaion's mistake was that she didn't tell people on the internet about her suicide attempt.

>>102640504
The shitty fact is that if Asmon and Hasan were gone, there will be other people in their place, it's inevitable

>>102641132
Always two, there are.

>>102583527
Crazy concept but, you can be a victim in one case and a perpetrator in another.

>>102637660
He was accused of making the poor wimmins "feel unsafe", proving that women will use the power of being in a female dominated space liberally with no qualms, despite their demands men in other fields stand up for and protect them.
All their callouts were framing him as somehow putting VShitshow "talents" at risk, even though their silence was doing that to the scam targets.

>>102589392
>Not that they were deliberately trying to kill their competitors.
Nope, some anons even predicted that as well. It was disregarded as far fetched schizoposting, but lo and behold, the "schizos" were right once more.

>>102621316
>>102624866
>>102626969
>>102641700
I didn't like this guy before and I don't like him now, but him bringing attention to the fake auditions and swattings was absolutely the right thing to do ad the dumbass bitches in the company completely misconstrued it as HIM threatening their privacy and safety somehow, and were perfectly content to letting random applicants suffer without knowing what was going on. Nobody even made reasonable criticism either it was just all bad because he didn't have their permission.

>>102583950
It's the privilege of working in a well known corpo, no kidding this happened in many industries. I remember modern day Blizzard did this too and the dev come out and say it.

>>102584191
>>102584687
>>102584809
>>102584853
>>102598163
This is a thread about the collapse of Vshojo and you don't even know which IDF we're talking about?

>>102584619
so angy

>>102592949
donate plasma :3

>>102586313
CEO of the charity praised her in the video, so unless it's some early life level conspiracy, she probably did paid the money

>>102583460 (OP)
>support IDF
I already do.

>>102586910
it's pretty normal to be ill at her age, she's like 50
hell, her daughter is finishing college age these days...
Im still convinced she caught something from her cheating ex husband or the sex parties

>>102642987
AIEEEEEE NOOO YOU CAN'T JUST LIKE SAY THAT JANNY PLEASE HEEEEELP I'M CLOSING MY EYES

>>102642987
you literally can't say that here

>>102586910
>casually repeating the possible lies of a known liar as if they were facts
where is your proof?

>>102637031
which one? kek

>>102613244
>her voice is somehow even more obnoxious and fake back then
grown-ass adults don't go through second puberty, I can't believe normalfags still claim it's part of her illness

>>102635813
this makes me wonder how zen is gonna scrub all videos of his voice off the face of the earth now

>>102584850
I fucking hate how dishonest and incredibly manipulative this bitch is. I bet you she has the biggest ego

>>102643711
ALL women are manipulative bitches. It's men who are simple minded fools. We are easy to please. Show a little love and affection to a man and he will die for that woman. Meanwhile, women like to play mind games and politics to simply to entertain themselves.

>>102643195
Anon, you don't have to screech about doxx for you to stop spouting retarded headcanon. You can just say you don't believe her.

My whole consideration about this and how many people want to have a 2 cents about this shitstorm is that : While Vtubers pretend to be living the dream by pretending to be a fictional character with an awesome lore, they are just dramaqueens who are fucking bored and are more interested in clout rather than being an interesting human being.

>>102644187
That applies mostly to westoid VTubers. They're more like Twitch camwhores than proper VTubers. Japanese VTubers are a lot more grounded and genuine. Japs being autistic and socially awkward makes them a lot like their nerdy audience compared to these westoid camwhores.

>>102642653
>Not Holo
Of course I don't know, faggot.

>>102583978
>Its so funny how she is trying to project being this nice person, but she goes on the podcasts and talks about yelling at people to kill themselves for minor mistakes in a game
Bro, we all did this, stop pretending you were a spoiled kid.

>>102589859
sinder is not good either but the way all those whoretuber women came out to throw dirt on her and end her career was pretty nasty. those who live in glass houses should not throw stones

>>102641895
If he had actually been in the wrong, they wouldn't have thrown an emotional pity party to appeal to their simps' collective protective instincts and would have instead had actual rational points.
I'm also 100% sure Mel knew what she was doing and 99% sure about everybody else except maybe, MAYBE Zentreya who's willingness to at least apologise means she could maybe have gone off of incomplete info from her colleages.
And Nux is a dick for completely different reasons (Taiga) and his content is about as pleasent as tetanus but he was completely in the right about this situation.

>>102583950
two problems
-too much money and no family to keep afloat
-pressure from people like ironlung that can fuck over your career

lets get real, ironlung kept this shitshow afloat, and she was the reason people wouldnt talk about
only when grifting whore queen herself said something people finally realized the money is gone and how badly they were fucked over, before they kept coping things will get better

>>102584254
you serious?
an NDA isnt law, its a controct, laws are signed by congress and are above anything else
if you help cover up a crime you are breaking law yourself

>>102641459
in fact, it's true of most people.

>>102639368
>She probably has plans to take down all her friends if she ever gets the chance
She is basically the same as Sinder but not as careless, yet.

>>102628385
or you could report it and hope the state picks it up
while most contract and business disputes go to the civil court, its only as long as there arent any obvious crimes, in cases of fraud or theft usually ciminal procedings start
the money could have been actually stolen, not spent, since im not sure how you can siphon out millions in secret, though its possible if everybody including the talents is helping it happen, then the CEO could have paid himself 250k$ a month and run the company dry