Thread 102591724

>Phase treated her like a king and actually gave her an idol concert, and since then has done more of them with plans for even more
>she rejects them
>instead proposed an Idol group with Vshojo, a company that has never produced an Idol concert and proved to be a criminal organization
>now looks like a retard who fell for it again for the 2nd time in her career

>>102591724 (OP)
Phase.connect is for cucks and chuds. Who cares?

>>102591724 (OP)
Mint is afraid of the grind. Always has been.

>>102591724 (OP)
She thinks she is too big for 0.6%

>>102591854
.6% can get you to ANYC 3d concerts, Offkai 3D concerts, and 3D concert at the vtuber awards.

Could've been her, but she is afraid of actually working and building something. It's all about what she can take from others. That is why all of her projects have failed from Pomu to whatever selling out to vshojo was, and Phase Connect is built to last.

>>102591724 (OP)
Hololive was RIGHT FUCKING THERE and this retard said "no im good", so good job retard. You could've been fisting Kiara's german coochie so hard but you passed it up.

>>102591724 (OP)
Ah, Leechschizo The Raped. Did the last helping of delicious pagpag strain your tummy? You sound particularly buttblasted and transgender today.

>>102591724 (OP)
>instead proposed an Idol group with Vshojo, a company that has never produced an Idol concert and proved to be a criminal organization
Never happened nijinigger

>>102592036
you're late, anon. she did a whole stream about it last night.

All vtubing corporations should go down immediately. Fuck these corpos

>>102592070
who's gonna pay the bills

Mint is a genuine KWABOTY nominee

> 3 Mint bait threads on the log
Got tired of Nimi baitposting already?

>>102591724 (OP)
Isn't she already doing concerts as an indie? She's already friends with all the big ex-holos and ex-VShojos so she really doesn't need to stoop to joining a company like Phase that would salivate to collab with the people she collabs with on a regular basis.

>>102592103
the bank obviously

>>102592103
you are

>>102592238
not helping the leech allegations with this one

>>102592276
then i want no part in it

>>102592307
>seething friendless loser
Sad

Mint will take what she wants from Hololive, Phase Connect, vshojo, Dokibird....but then tell you she's not.
Just continues to lead people on and take advantage of their kindness

>>102591724 (OP)
Reminder that a lot of people came out to say she had inside friends in cosplay competitions before becoming a vtuber to rig win trips to Japan, everyone dismissed it as "/clg/ jealous whores" but now it actually makes more sense than ever, also her routine of becoming friends with someone and dumping them after she got what she wanted has been a repeated behavior from those days too

>>102591724 (OP)
Minto this will be tough for you to see, but this is what an idol group who started a company with nothing together 5 years ago and stayed together and achieved their dreams together looks like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJFHGAXLIOo
this is what the idol dream looks like.
trying to job hop and climb the social ladder isn't the idol dream. you and lazulight couldnt do it. you and whatever scam you fell into with vshojo couldn't do it, but little phase connect could do it.

>>102591979
She wants to be an idol with the corporate structure but without the disadvantages of it.
That is a pipe dream for her.

man women sure hate mint

>>102593280
This thread is so fucking stupid. As far as I am aware Phase made a good exchange with Mint when she was a guest for the concert and we got to see her and the wisps in action. There was a lot to learn and appreciate for the help she gave the girls since it was definitely an experience out of their element but more than being a good event it was clearly a fun experience.
Phase is now at the stage other gens will have a shot with idol like stuff. Also there is some voodoo magic protecting them / rituals being cast

>>102593323
So basically I wanna be a retard

>>102593627
While Mint was doing the Phase concert, it turns out she was literally negotiating with vshojo and proposing an idol group. There is nothing illegal about that, but it shows how ungrateful she was for the concert Phase asked her to be in. They showed her they can get it done and with high quality at major conventions, an ANYC stage that up until that point only hololive had ever been on. My god Phase would have built an Idol group around her

>>102593323
Stupidly unrealistic.
For big projects you need staff, and for big staff you need management aka corporate structure.

>>102592036
go watch the vod retard

>>102593818
>My god Phase would have built an Idol group around her
Would fail because most of the phase fanbase is full of retarded streamers only fags

>>102593955
>would fail because le epic 4chinz
Lol no

>>102593280
True story

>>102593955
>Would fail because most of the phase fanbase is full of retarded streamers only fags
Nope, it would thrive into an extra gear because of wisps.
Regardless, the Phase idol arc is not going anywhere and will only become more as they get away from Pippas being in it and getting the 3D into the hands of more Lias. Understanding the concert economy in the west where you are not gonna sell out unless you are literally hololive, phase has done well for themselves with the concerts they have done.

>>102593818
Well yeah it's never been a secret about how good back then it would have been if Mint &/or Rosemi joined. But they made their choices and treating each other like adults means respecting their decisions. Phase = a lot more effort required compared to the bigger competitors and for Mint I can understand how she has already done all of that so that's why she chose vshojo in secret, or how Rosemi stuck with NijiEN since rebuilding a fan base + a transition of her fans to another company is an insane gamble.
Doesn't help people listen to the catalog shit posters here as well who repeat the same yabs ad infinitum broken record / watch style.
Phase watchers as well have schizos like any others but what it does have as a smaller community are people who will tell them to shut the fuck up, unless they really running rampant somewhere like twitter. I would not and could not give a fuck about that sort of shit. Bunch of literal whos with egos or over inflated ones. The genuine ones are probably 1/100 and considered boring or if creative 1/1000 they aren't some attention seeking faggot.

>>102592238
She is doing concerts as a guest but not really organizing her own thing. The "big deal" with vshojo was that they were gonna help her make a full idol group with other members which hooked her in because despite everything she's still horribly socially awkward.
I believe Phoebe was probably one of the idol group members because she's too perfect of a fit. Here's Phoebe's perspective:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRM3_9Z9Qxw

Could Mint and Phoebe and the unknown 3rd member have just fucked off and made an idol group on their own? Of fucking course. But the temptation of the support from Big Company was too sweet to resist. Too sweet to clean off the copium tint from their eyes.

Hey retards, she went with VShojo because they actually (well JP) had connections to Mofuku, the main producer of Dearstage, it wasn’t just because of “company”
Holy fucking begging

>>102593955
Lots of Phase girls do regular karaokes. You need to shut up when you can't give a constructive opinion about other companies you know shit about.

>>102594225
>>102594237
They just need to take a bit of Doki enthusiasm and embrace being independent properly then.

>>102594252
because maybe it would be nice if the phase connect shills, you know, TALKED ABOUT THINGS THEY DO BESIDES BEING UNDER FISHMAN AND PIPPA YOU FUCKING RETARDS

>>102594356
"Embracing being independent" doesn't give you industry connections like VshojoJP actually had

>>102593955
the phase idol group is coming
lia, rie, uruka, lumi, clara, runie and anybody else who will put the work in and dedicate themselves for the betterment of the show. and even if it is in front of 10 people, that is the idol way.

>>102594356
Doki has a team behind her, she’s someone capable of doing so, despite the failures she has got into by doing so, Mint doesn’t, she could in the future but who knows for now.

>>102594403
*anybody who has 100,000 subs and wants to do extra work and dedicate themselves for the betterment of the show

>>102594377
>shills
then you pay too much attention to catalog shitters. the majority of generals don't give a fuck about Phase rep in /vt/ until you start obviously pestering and shitting it up.
/vt/ can be civil and it was enforced by ID and geo tagging. Our general quality instantly improved and so did catalog till the mergers happened.

>>102591961
Mint won't let the fishman take away her ghost maid identity

>>102591724 (OP)
Gee, if this is the attitude phaseniggers show, then i hope it collapses next year in the same way as Vshojo.
>>102591979
>Hololive was RIGHT FUCKING THERE
Was it? Was it really? There won't be another Luna, anon.

>>102594396
>>102594427
Because Mint keeps under estimating herself she is more than capable of managing her own business around herself she has the star power and I'm not even a wisp.

>>102594356
Mint is a 30+ year old former OL burnout former failed JP westoid idol flop. Right now there are some kaigai idol groups in USA and Canada building fanbases, but they're the equivalent of 1/2view vtubers in size. All of their events are very small time community stages. That's not going to satisfy Mint because it will be like a reset to 15 years ago for her, and extremely depressing to face. She desperately needs that leg up that a big corpo was hopefully going to give her.

>>102594590
OP is an obvious shit poster moron. The fact the majority of Phase loves Mint isn't going to change.

>>102594602
I mean, yeah. At the same time, you have to understand that some people aren’t made to be in meetings where they have to take major decisions themselves, most just want to be chill, that’s how VShojo was able to take advantage of their girls and prospects

>>102594602
Big difference between managing herself, and getting industry connections. She might have star power in the EN scene, but not in the JP scene that has the connections she's aiming for. (3D studios, record labels, idol companies, etc.)

>>102594552
old news.
They got Mari and Clio who didn't give it up. Mint could have asked for everything and would have gotten it given who she is.
but that in and of itself would be a stooge test on Mint's character: do you want to be treated special and above the rest, or do you just want to be treated like everybody else on the team like one of the girls?

>>102591724 (OP)
She would be perfect for them. She also collabs with men, meets men in her spare time like kanauru who she went to dinner with twice, she also loves leeching.

>>102594726
>They got Mari and Clio who didn't give it up
Yet, it's gone if they decide to leave Phase

>>102594841
nope

>>102594841
Yeah back to their original identical models.. stupid

>>102594726
I've started wondering, if this VS blowup happened before their debuts, would they have gotten cold feet from being delayed so long? It would be easy to think that something was amiss, after what the VS ex-pre-debut talents said.

>>102591724 (OP)
Apparently, she also tried to poach Lia from Sakana

on the contrary, I would ask Mint to be a guest again and try and do more stuff with her now more than ever. the best way to try and get a person on board with a project is continue to show and make an impression

>>102593818
>They showed her they can get it done
Fishman still hasn't made 3D models for any gen 2 or 3 girls that wish to partake in idol stuff.

>>102595269
get to 100,000 subs.

Her only option is to join some corpo. Even if she would gain all those connections with the producers and labels no one would risk investing money in her career because she’s not backed by any somehow big company that will vouch for her and take responsibility in case she’ll decide to become a vegan and go to Bali to seek the enlightment.

>>102591724 (OP)
Sakana paid for everything for her in Japan when she left her wallet at home. Meanwhile she's spending $10k on charity like she dropped a nickel on the floor. Make it make cents.

>>102594841
Invaders don't have to sign away their IP phase just owns the new model. Lumi outright confirmed Yuri was retarded when she signed her IP over.

>>102591724 (OP)
>and proved to be a criminal organization
cool it with the antisemitism

>>102595177
>Mint propositioned vshojo in mid 2024, this is when Mint and Lia were kinda close
>Mint asks her to join
>Lia considers it
>this would have been around contract renewal time they expire in June
>she has to tell Sakana that she has an offer, but says she will stay if he can provide dance opportunities every year
>Lia stays and has done a lot of high profile idol stuff since
not the craziest rrat, but still nah

>>102595412
Phase doesn't have JP industry connections. VshojoJP did. Joining Phase to make them do something they aren't capable of doing would be extremely rude.

>browns bullying Mint
Mint is a blessing and I am forever grateful she became friends with my oshi and my oshi got to do a concert with her. She gave my Lia the time of day when she didn't have to even back when she was Pomu and she didn't really fuck with small corpo girls.

>>102591724 (OP)
Well, she's looking for the actual idol career/experience at least and as cool as Phase looks, they're VERY far away from her idol ideal so it kinda makes sense... I guess

>>102593280
Nasa Idol concert fucking when, fishman?

>>102595779
when she gets 100,000 subs
3d is not a right, it is a privilege

>>102595779
Phase connect operates on a shoe string budget, if a talent cant draw dimes they wont get 3d, its that simple really, nasa has been in phase for 4 years and still doens't have 100k subs or a high CCV (high for phase is like 1k)

>>102595913
I would argue Phase set up JP to fail and has done nothing to help them. The one JP they put all their eggs in the basket for immediately started streaming in EN

>>102594403
Panko and Yuu have surprisingly amazinng voices and technique

>>102596993
but will they travel and be away from home for 10 days at a time on a weeks notice (more so for panko, not yuu since she is in japan)

she's just building up her clout so she can get into Hololive

>>102595913
>>102595779
Is Nasa a good singer or dancer?

>>102597707
She is a great singer.
Phase has a lot of great singers they are legit like 20 singers deep.

/b/omu should post her tits again like a real idol

>>102591724 (OP)
>Tries to buy Mint's favor by throwing money at her while blatantly neglecting most of his existing talents in the process
>Gets rejected
Mint clearly knew that fishman would stop treating her anywhere near as well as soon as he locked her into a contract and she became just another brick in the Phase Connect wall, as has happened many times with other girls in the company. He covets the girls he wants while being ungrateful for the girls he already has.

>>102598860
every girl in phase connect is just a brick in the phase wall, and that is what makes it work. nobody is treated better than another regardless of size.

>>102599232
>nobody is treated better than another regardless of size

>>102599367
?

>>102591724 (OP)
>Be a big Vtuber
>Think you're too good for the lowly Phase that is already doing everything you want without you.
>Aim for Vshojo, the "corpo" that is just a gathering of big "friends" who will gladly step on each other if they feel like it
>Trying to be an idol in a western scene that doesn't really care for idols
I can't even feel bad about this because it's just hilarious. From day 1 anyone with a brain could see that Vshojo was not what it advertised.
An organization that just so happened to only accept big streamers and their friends to make the organization look big?
It also just happened to use every buzzword possible during the heavy shilling period to look good during the black corpo drama? Freedom, keep IP, etc
Gee, who could have seen this coming?

Vtubers can never be real idols.

>>102599551
>Think you're too good for the lowly Phase
She is

>>102599933
Is she really? She's failed in two corpos now, keeps falling for the same shit.

Her idea of starting an idol group is completely unrealistic.

>>102600054
>She's failed in two corpos
*Two corpos failed her

>>102599933
welp this is her second time having to do the indignity of the "i got screwed by a big corpo" humiliation ritual.
meanwhile, phase connect doesn't think they are too big for their britches and they are still healthy

bigger ain't always better. see mint could have looked at a phase connect and said "what can I do to help bring them up? it will require more work and isn't as easy, but the reward can be greater" vs. "I want to go with a huge platform that can carry me, and it doesn't end up working out"

>>102600119
>Chose those 2 corpos

>>102599379
Didn't you guys just talk about needing 100k to even think about 3D?

>>102599551
>that is already doing everything you want without you.
Phase is getting connections to JP idol companies and record label deals?

>>102600188
>Two corpos bigger & been around longer than Phase

>>102591724 (OP)
KWAB

>>102591724 (OP)
What's the timing to the vshitshow offer? Did they allow Mint to work with Phase at the concert since they weren't ready just yet for her, on the basis that she didn't tell anyone she was selling out to Gunrun and the Ironmouse clique?

>>102600187
Mint needs to realize that while she is popular and big, she doesn't have much or any pull at all. Is she so valuable that a platform will want to cater to all her needs? I don't think so.
And with how the talents turned out in Vshojo, if Mint got in I don't think it would have turned out well for her. Mint has a goal and is very determined. That would not have gone well with the other big girls there if it looked like Mint was too popular or was getting too much attention.

>>102600483
nobody is getting Mint those connections

>Phasefag think they have a good 3D
You spent all the budget on low-quality 3D for the top dog, everyone else doesn't even have a chance to have it

>>102601039
VshojoJP was, the founder of a JP idol company worked for VshojoJP.

>>102601043
The fact that they retroactively split their first gen as an excuse for not giving half of them 3D is the funniest shit

If you have a chance at hololive why the fuck are you going for phase connect? Isnt this a good time to join holo now that they’re delaying EN5? And the best case scenario is if they could even let her use her model like what Suisei did

>>102601039
Neither phase, why do you think they have it?

>>102601039
Why do people even think Mint deserves those connections? What does she bring to the table?
Mori and Suisei getting the connections they got makes sense since they do music and make it their main thing but what does Mint have?

>>102601668
She can dance...

>>102601668
Why would they think JP fans would love to see an inexperienced girl like her? She doesn’t have good singing or dancing either.

>>102601320
lmao

>>102601668
She can entertain. That's what being an idol is all about. Not about singing ability (most idols are terrible singers). What matters most to idols is the ability to make people have fun, cheer, and be happy.

>>102602006
An example of entertainment she can do?

>>102602085
Look at the 4 3D events she was in the past month.

>>102602085
The fact that she was able to make more than 5 people show up to the phase concert should give you an idea

>>102602229
>>102602190
As an indie is fine, but for those JP connections or label things, it requires more than that it demands a specific kind of entertainment.

>>102602376
What does it require? Not singing ability, since plenty of actual JP idols are terrible singers.

>>102591796
Would you say she's the ospreay of vtubing?

>>102602376
True. It really is a shame it turned out this way. In theory, she could still get them by going all businesswoman like Doki and setting up her own, but she's definitely not built for that.

I really, really hope Doki isn't planning to make a group for mint and some others. That shit would be way too much for her to handle on top of everything. Zen starting over seems the most likely, but I doubt they have nearly enough money to do it.

Schizo theory, though: GamerSupps is actually in a position where they're capable of supporting vtubers on the merch front. If ShyLily and a few others work with them, they could actually make a corpo happen.

>>102602467
Why do you think Mint is better than other ordinary idols? They can just hire these girl or even better singing

>>102601668
She's the biggest idol-type vtuber who isn't holo. Presumably, you could get much better terms than with holo. It would make sense if you want to expand to the west, or at least give it a shot without costing too much.

>>102591724 (OP)
They still like Mint and would happily work with her again, sister. Keep seething.

>>102602756
post your tits again /b/omu

>>102602654
Because mint is actually popular overseas
>>102602467
Just a business in general. A lot of people in JP refuse to work with individuals as a rule. You need a business to do it for you.

>>102602802
>Because mint is actually popular overseas
Then it's not about JP connection anymore, you would want the company looking for overseas connections instead. But does the company want to do it right now?

>>102602917
Considering the company was actively working with her on it, yes. But now that VshojoJP is gone, bye bye all that work.

>>102602917
I'm agreeing with you on that front. I was just clarifying.

>>102591724 (OP)
I'm more upset to have it confirmed that Mint considered going corpo again. To be an indie is not just a business decision, but a moral decision. It means she had not fully rid herself of the lie that community and friendship entails licking a billionaire's boot.

>>102591724 (OP)
They already hired Clara and look how that has turned out, she says the wrong thing and TVA dox niggers are always spying on her.

>>102601007
>she doesn't have much or any pull at all
lol

Wait, Mint is a fucking vshojo girl? Wow what a surprise, yet another vshojo girl is a liar.

>>102606197
What did she lie about?

>>102602636
>really, really hope Doki isn't planning to make a group for mint and some others
I can see her offering tips and advices to anyone who would ask her, but I'm 100% sure that she never thought about making an org/group to manage any other talents outside of herself. IIRC she even pretty much stated it at one point.

>>102591724 (OP)
It's really simple. She wants to be the face or leader in a group, someone like Sora. In Phase, she wouldn't have been in a unit made for her so Pippa will always be the big dog there. In Vshojo, you could argue Iron Mouse will always be the face, but at least with her unit, she'll be able to be a leader or the face of the unit.

>>102606672
Why do you think Phase wouldn't make a unit for her?

>>102601244
>VshojoJP was
How is that going?
Those connections got her another black screen "this is my expierence with yet another black company that I thought was gonna give me everything I think I am owed"

>>102606650
Well, yeah, but that was before her friend's dream got crushed again...

>>102606797
Her work with VshojoJP was actually going on. It was the EN side that blew up and took JP down with it.

>>102602190
Mint's 3D has been lower budget it looks like at home 3D, not really professional motion capture.

>>102606871
Her 3D model at Kiara's Birthday 3D looks fine.

>>102606870
as Kson said
>you insist the JP branch was doing well, then where the fuck is my money Lebowski? Why have I not been paid in a year?

>>102606751
Because she went with Vshojo.

>>102591724 (OP)
TROON CONNECT

>>102606951
She went with Vshojo because VSJP has direct connections with a JP idol company. Phase doesn't have that.

>>102607022
VSJP doesnt have anything they dont exist anymore lmao

>>102607067
Key word being "anymore". If you go back to this time last year, nobody was suspecting Vshojo was going to go up in flames after their CEO embezzled money and fled the country.

>>102593280
i hope mint doesn't play umamusume, because she routinely bets on the wrong horse.

>>102607128
many people on this board suspected VShojo was a house of cards for years

>>102606672
>someone like Sora
Sora started alone, if she wants to be like Sora then start her own empire not trying to get into already established corpo and wish they would proper you up as leader or face.

>>102607162
She does and she does

>>102606672
>Pippa will always be the big dog there
Sakana is the face of Phase Connect. Real tho they spread out their featured spots among the girls.
The biggest company event the Vtuber Award concert? No Pippa.
The first Phase album? Was Hime not Pippa.
The Offkai company concert? Pippa did nothing at all.
The company anniversary streams and gen anniversary stream? Pippa not hosting she is just in the background.

>>102607211
Not on this scale though. Maybe just the thought that the well would eventually dry up and they would shut down, not go up in flames like it did.

>>102607474
And yet whenever someone in general talks about Phase, the first talent who'll come to mind will always be Pippa.

>>102593280
it makes me sick to my stomach that Pipkin Pippa of all people, who doesnt care about idol stuff and puts no effort into anything, gets to travel and do something like this while it means absolutely nothing to her Meanwhile vtubers who want to be 3d idols and take on the idol journey with strangers and a common goal starting as a tiny group and climb all the way to the top with the same girls you started the journey with never get to do it. She doesnt even care about the magical ride she has been put on

>>102591724 (OP)
Could have just stayed in nijien and performed as idol in front of thousands of japanese cheering on her.
>b-but I need to be in a group called idollfarts!
Just do idolshit instead of chasing the label. People in nijien who want that do that right now.

>>102591724 (OP)
She's afraid to associate too closely with Phase because she wants to collab with Holos, and they avoid anyone from Phase like the plague

Oh boy I sure love when the board gets flooded with falseflagging dramafags whenever something happens

>>102607766
I never said she wasn't the most popular, she is by far that is not a debate. The debate is that there are multiple featured girls and it is just not always pippa all the time, cause it's not.

vtuber awards is clear as crystal how phase doesn't have a hierarchy like that, because it would have been pippa doing a 3d idol concert to 40,000 viewers, most of which that was their first impression of phase connect

>>102607856
The shitstorm of Pomu leaving & Selen gettting terminated is what got Anycolor to get off their asses and do those things. If she didn't leave, NijiEN would have stayed stagnant.

>>102607933
but the point is that Pippa right now, is the face and the big dog. That is all. You can point at others in Phase doing special stuff but it won't change that, at least right now.

>>102608318
>is the face
the face of Phase Connect is Sakana

>>102607474
No one sane will give your doxxfag corpo a view whilie Pippa is there. Only her termination would change that

>>102608014
Retarded vpoacho bot

>>102608382
Sakana is not a talent. Stop forcing him into the conversation.

>>102608469
it is what it is

>>102608469
>Sakana is not a talent
he has a character model, persona, has collabed with fillian, has collabed with vtubers from other corpos, has collabed with many vtubers, has a plushie, has merch

sounds like a talent to me

>>102608501
look dude, if he was in any way a face, he'd put himself on one of the coffee bags they sell. You tell him to do that and we'll see how well it sells and then we can talk again.

>>102608655
he literally put himself into their retail card game

>>102608618
>>102608655

>>102608733
no coffee no talkie

>>102607795
Pippa is living Mints dream

>>102608822
Pippa is working with Dearstage?

>>102608822
in fairness mint doesnt want to do this:
>Meanwhile vtubers who want to be 3d idols and take on the idol journey with strangers and a common goal starting as a tiny group and climb all the way to the top with the same girls you started the journey with
she wants to join a sure thing big money machine that skips the growing pains and gets her right into the big time.

>>102608733
Holy shit, seriously? Dude's living the dream

I'm really starting to believe that Phase Connect is a company that genuinely cares about its talents. The girls joke a lot about wanting to kill Sakana, but it honestly feels like the kind of thing you'd say to family when you're close. I haven’t seen anyone leave because the company was toxic or anything like that. Yuri’s departure was because she broke the rules, and Saya’s graduation seemed respectful and handled properly. That kind of consistency says a lot.

>>102607864
Then why Kiara hovers over them, specially Panko?

>>102608923
She tried that with NijiEN, and look how that company turned out.

>>102608923
it's funny how she's such a big idol fan but doesn't respect them enough to want to go on the same idol journey and instead wants to skip it altogether

>>102608923
She knows she's out of time for the ground-up option. She was out of time years ago. It's not that she doesn't want to, it's that it is already impossible to even start. Even for the shortcuts, the clock is ticking and she doesn't have long. Time is a cruel mistress.

>>102599232
Lumi is PC's princess, and Pippa gets scott free from anything. Every other girl has to work hard for her stuff

>>102608923
>She tried that with NijiEN
anon she debuted to 15,000 people as Pomu Rainpuff with the backing of an established machine.
those phase girls debuted to 200 people with the backing of a clueless league of legends autist who had no idea what he was doing

>>102591796
She should grind her ass on my cock

>>102602615
You tell me, bruv

>>102609250
i would say pippa, lia, tenma, uruka and lumi are the made mafia men.

>>102608469
He's not wrong unfortunately, Sakana has pretty much become the company mascot thanks to his constant attentionwhoring behaviour and irony poisoned contrarians infecting the fanbase. The guy gets more fan art and merch than most of his own talents do.

>>102609358
>NijiEN
>backing the girls
LOL
LMAO

>>102609185
What time constraint is there, realistically? She's puppeting an anime girl avatar, you don't age out of being a virtual idol until you are so physically infirm that you can't perform the dance moves.

Phase Connect are the last good guys

>>102591724 (OP)
Phasefags are cancer tumor in this community, and Pippa was the catalyst. Pippa was a mistake and she should be terminated

>>102609593
>until you are so physically infirm that you can't perform the dance moves.
it is this. if you can't dance like you know you used to be able to dance, that is usually a problem and the ego doesn't take that well. idols are like professional athletes in a way
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmf6lUbkj1o

>>102609456
Lia has to cry and threaten to leave or talk to get stuff. Lumi just has to ask and gets twice what she asked for

>>102593280
Well shit, props to Phase Connect for doing what it can.

>>102609780
>Lumi streams 70 hours a week to get stuff
>Lia is a runt who streams 7 hours a week to get that same stuff
there are levels

>>102609250
And then on the other end you've got girls like Dizzy who Sakana treats like crap constantly and is actively obstructive towards for no reason, despite how much extra work she does for the company (but it's okay guy it's just friendly banter haha). To say that nobody in Phase is treated better or worse than others is just a blatant fucking lie.

>>102602615
>>102609440
Whose black son is she raising then?

>>102606672
If Mint wants to be in a corpo, start an idol unit and have creative control of it she has to start her own corpo. No other corpo is going to give her freedom.
At this stage of vtubing it is difficult to be a pioneer like Sora. Sora kickstarted a start up that was on life support ti become a big idol vtuber agency.

>>102610614
An agency where the owner is also the defacto star is doomed to fail and bad business, because women are women at the end of the day

>>102610614
Sora was lucky Cover didn't turn out to be a scam company with a CEO who embezzled money

>>102610420
>despite how much extra work she does for the company
because she gets paid extra, dumbo.

it reminds me of the time jelly showed her attitude to sakana during an interview in 2023 about how she felt she deserved more because of all the extra music work she does, and he shut her down and said "you get paid for that extra work because that is what you wanted. i'll just stop using you for music and you wont work so much" and she shut up.

>>102610614
Starting a corpo would be ok but Mint wants the advantages of a corpo structure without the drawbacks of one. She doesn’t want to experience the bad situations that Sora had to do to lift a company from the ground up.

>>102610912
Except Mint did experience that. In NijiEN.
>but muh big JP company!
They didn't do shit for the girls. She had to organize & fund the branch & Lazulight's 1yr anniversary celebration out of her own pocket, only for the company to turn around an announced a Luxiem Half-Anniversary celebration 2 fucking days later. Same thing happened for the 2yr anniversary too - company did jack shit, so she organized a big branch cover project.

Sorry phasefag, Nijien already had girls dancing on stage like idol. I don't care how the fuck mint will achieve the similar like that in the future.

>>102611073
mint has already done that too

>>102611054
Which reinforces the idea that she wants everything she wants from a corpo without any drawbacks. She is trying to find a fucking utopia.

>>102611054
>They didn't do shit for the girls.
they debuted as instant 4views and held that because of the NIJISANJI brand.

>>102611130
>as guest
>in small con

>>102611191
She had an entire 3D concert where she was the headliner.

>>102611255
when

>>102611169
The Nijisanji brand doesn't guarantee you 4views. Just look at the girls now. Hell, no even know, go look back at the Iluna girl's viewship like 6 months in. They were all 3 views.

>>102611191
>small con
Anime NYC and the Javits Center is a small con? The same con/city that Hololive is all-in on and abandoned Anime Expo for?

>>102611054
What you said doesn’t negate the argument. She still wants to skip the pains of starting something and find a shortcut.

>>102611378
Dokibird was the headliner jesus anon

>>102611169
The EN wave before them got canceled it had such pitiful views. So did ID, and KR.

>>102611161
She experienced nothing but drawbacks in NijiEN, and endured them for 2.5 years hoping things would get better, but instead the company kept on kicking her in the stomach until she left in tears.

>>102611394
>>102611378
Sure, if you insist that she is happy with this "size" then let it be.

>>102610896
>Completely ignoring the rest of the post to make a completely irrelevant argument

>>102611449
Concert is literally called FANTOMEthief.

According to the video Mint was a part of Vshojo for like a year. I don't remember when the Phase concert was but I think it wasn't as long as a year ago. So Mint would have already been in Vshojo before doing the concert with Phase.

>>102611467
And still she still wants to be in a corpo.

Nijisisters are pathetic

>>102611427
Don't see why you're saying she wants to skip the pains, when she literally went through them.

>phasefag think they can give her anything better
Lol lmao

>>102611542
>"It was just JP corpo retardation, surely EN corpos are better"
>Vshojo explodes
Safe to say she doesn't trust any corpos now.

>>102611613
If she wants her idol unit, she needs a corpo. Big projects need staff, and staff needs corpo structure.

>>102611613
Are you sure about that? I would hope it's true but Who knows, mint is like that

>>102591724 (OP)
Qrd? Haven't been here for a day, since I had a lot of work.

>>102611474
Yeah she's happy with that size, because it gives her fans the space to do what she loves most: wotagei & mixes. The bigger the concerts get, the more unlikely those things can happen.

>>102611604
Phase can give Mint a corpo and setting that won't collapse from underneath her

>>102611812
Jinxed too hard

>>102611570
Because that is what she was trying to do with her idol unit. She went to Vshojo because they have relations with an actual idol company (DearStage). She wanted them to give her the frame of her own idol division in Vshojo.

>>102611765
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgde3wglIJ4

>>102611812
Nobody expected Gunrun was embezzling money. So who's to say fishman isn't pissing in every bag of coffee and will dip from the internet when people find out?

>>102611928
people have been predicting vwhorejo's downfall since 2020 when it started

>>102611888
The pains she went through trying to build it in Niji doesn't suddenly become void just because she changed her model.

>>102611928
>Nobody expected Gunrun was embezzling money
Funny how EVERY of their talents ignored the red flags of not getting payed their merch money for MONTHS

>>102612059
And the other anons are saying that right now she wants to skip those pains.

>>102611888
mint joins phase tomorrow, the brand new mint, lia, hime idol trio will have a concert at anime nyc that is how quick the turnaround can be.

>>102612067
Women and accountability anon. They don’t mix.

>>102591724 (OP)
Agreed

>>102612067
She didn't know how much the others were getting fucked over. And considering VshojoJP was actually getting work done on the idol gen project, she probably thought it was just a simple delay, until it was too late and it became apparent shit was not alright.

>>102612119
How can you skip the pains when you already went through the pains?

>>102594552
>>102594841
Nope, it no longer works like that

>>102612220
I said every, from Kson to Mint. Nobody even mentioned it before.

>>102612264
she went thru the pains of other projects without seeing them thru, so she doesn't get to a finish line.
it you're tired of starting over, then stop giving up (niji) and stop looking for the fast track to easy street (vshojo)

>>102612264
>Suffered when she wan in Niji trying to accomplish her own objetives.
>Mint gets out of Niji
>Mint wants to be an idol
>But being an idol has her own cons to start one
>Goes to Vshojo so they can give her an idol unit by letting their partner do the thing for her and avoid the cons of doing it by herself
>Vshojo goes down
Anon, one thing is experiencing the pains in Niji and another is being conscious of suffering from it again and trying to skip it to accomplish her objetive.

>>102612507
You've been complaining that she never went through the pains. She did go through the pains. She didn't make it to the finish line, but that doesn't erase the fact she went through the pains.

>>102609104
Panko is the only good phase. Her manko is probably top tier as well, so Kiara got snatched.

>>102611912
Thx.

>>102612507
No, those pains are still pains, The pains and scars are a part of Mint's idol journey. Idols have different journey's and are unique not one is the same. Lia's journey is different than Mints, which is different than Kiara's, which is different than Phoebe etc etc

Some girls idol journey is debuting as an indie/small corpo for a couple months, then joining hololive. others have to work and wait a long time, and they still don't get there.

>>102591979
vibe check: all out war

So what made her do a menhera outburst on twitter/stream this time? Haven’t watched her since she replayed mgs which was retarded

>>102612507
If you mean what this anon >>102610912 said. It is from their example of what if she wanted to start a corpo by herself, not that she never experienced the pains.

>>102612578
So it's not that she hasn't experienced the pains (she did in Niji), it's that you want her to experience the pains again in order for (in your opinion) it to be legitimate.

>>102612908
meant for >>102612669

>>102612901
>>102611912

>>102612915
>So it's not that she hasn't experienced the pains (she did in Niji),
I feel like she just didn't have patience in NIJI. She was only there for 2 years before making up her mind and giving up.
If she would have held on, she would have gotten a 3D concert at AX that summer because it wouldn't have gotten cancelled if she was on the bill, and then the Japan arena concert this year. Would probably be on the Niji world tour as well

>>102612915
>it's that you want her to experience the pains again in order for (in your opinion) it to be legitimate.
Delusional anon. He never said that.

>>102613049
Niji only started getting those things after shit started going up in flames and the CEO himself had to bow and apologize to foreigners to promise to do better. If she had stayed, there was no guarantee that would have happened.

>>102606672
>Sora
Lol mint could never come close to what Sora has accomplished near completely alone. She's more delusional than i thought if she thinks that

>>102613049
this is why mint was never a fit for phase. she has ambition and wants instant gratification. phase connect makes you wait, but if you wait you will be rewarded beyond your wildest dreams. they made girls who had performing talent wait years, but made good to them when it came time and rewarded their loyalty.

So people want mint to have her ideal scenario of doing no work and getting all the benefits of being part of an idol thing in a big company with connections because she went through hardships once or twice before? I thought Mint loved idols and some of those idols failed more than a handful of times with different groups before getting anywhere decent. Seems like she is just ungrateful and lazy because with her current connections such as going through Oshisparks again they can easily pump out concerts for her

Phase Connect loves Minto and is grateful for everything she has given to them. Mint LOVE.

>>102613049
>can't wait for 2 years.
>Vshojo basically took forever to make something like that, it's already been 4 years. Now they fucking collapsed
I laugh

>>102613362
If anything, she's been doing nothing but work and not receiving any of the benefits. She worked 2.5 years to build up Niji, company repeatedly chewed her up and spit her out, and she left in tears. Then she went to Vshojo and was working on things behind the scenes for a year before that company went up in smoke. That's 3.5 years of working and getting nothing out of it.

>>102613572
She still doesn't deserve anything or is owed anything by anyone. People work towards their dreams all the time look at old bands that never worked out and had to drop them for something realistic.

>>102613253
Sora is an irrelevant who that got sidelined by literally everyone else in holo KEK

>>102613468
Niji should have never accepted that collab. Phasecucks and their whores are nothing but leeches.

>>102613885
>She still doesn't deserve anything or is owed anything by anyone.
lol alright, at least you're not disagreeing with me that she has put in the work

>>102613885
You're brown

>>102614242
And who was disagreeing with that?

>>102614100
Because she has stated multiple times she doesn't like being looked at as some goddess and is happy as she is now. That's why she's special, she doesn't have this arrogance where she believes she is better than everyone else because she was first.

>>102614280
>this is what a typical phase faggot looks like

>>102614336
>Because she has stated multiple times she doesn't like being looked at as some goddess and is happy as she is now.
LMFAO that's some strong copium she's huffing right there. She's a failure and she knows it but doesn't has the balls to admit it. Even after getting everything handed to her by cover KEK

>>102613049
She likely would have left after the Selen thing either way I reckon, you’d need to have a timeline without that incident.

>>102615126
>She likely would have left after the Selen thing
No she wouldn't because at that point she would have been in NijiEN's first 3D concert of many that have been happening in the past 18 months. She left right before NijiEN started getting literally everything she wanted, which is hillarious and goes to show that she doesn't wants to do any work. Elira did a lot of work in front and behind the scenes in Nijisanji and is constantly being rewarded. Meanwhile Pomu didn't do shit and expected to be handed everything to her on a silver platter.

>>102615322
No, she would have left, because management would force her into being the face of the black screen stream ("If you want your 3D model, do this"), and after getting untolds amount of hatred and doxxing directly at her, she would have just said Fuck It and left vtubing.

I wrote it in another thread, but if you follow sports then Mint is what is known as a ring chaser. she is like kevin durant jumps from big market team to big market team trying win easy rings instead of going to a smaller market team and winning a ring there

>>102615440
So yeah, mint is a lazy whore that wants everything handed to her without doing any work, good to see we agree.

>>102615597
>nijien
>big market team
What alternate reality did you just slide in from?

>>102615777
now we pretend 2021-2023 nijisanji wasn't big market lmao

>>102615641
What do you think she was doing in Niji for 2.5 years, if not working?

>>102611513
damn she can't help hinting at her poaching activity

>>102615840
Maybe if you were in Luixem, and your market was Chinese fujos.

>>102615860
Nothing. She was doing nothing. Especially compared to hard working members like Elira, Rosemi, Millie, Enna, Luca, Vox, Uki, Maririn and many others

>>102615597
>one time she is with NIJISANJI
>then she acts like she is with VShojo with Matara and the podcast
>then she is with Phase Connect for a month
>then she is with Hololive after her redebut
>then v4m invites her to relays and a concert
>then she is back with VShojo all along
>now she is looking for a home again
real

>>102614100
Is this real Mintfag? Lmao truly delusional

>>102616023
>all those corpos leeching from Mint
Yikes, embarassing. Just goes to show that their own whores are literal whos compared to Mint.

>>102615947
And where were their branch 1yr and 2yr anniversary projects? Why didn't any of them put together projects to promote the branch as a whole?

>>102616116
>pomu leeching from other much more succesfull members
Tale as old as time lmao she was doing that since her failed idol days

>>102616175
>projects to celebrate and build the branch = leeching
Nijisisters are so ungrateful

>>102613468
phase connect will be here ready to pick up the pieces again if mint wants just sayin
they treated mint like one of their own in her time with them in japan, and they will do it again they like and respect her a lot

>>102616259
LOL she only started doing those after her solo covers failed. Let's not kid ourselves: she's a huge numberfag and only cares about her own gain when interacting with other people.

>Mint was under contract with VShojo when she did the Phase concert
I wonder if Sakana would have still gone thru with it if he knew that?

>>102616338
If she was a numberfag she would have stayed in Niji, where she would have people to "leech" from.

>>102616574
probably, he'd see it as a good way to build a connection with a bigger vtuber company

>>102616649
She left Nijisanji after she already leeched from everyone, and the numbers were going down through all of 2023. She needed more targets to leech from but wasn't able to do it while in Nijisanji.

>>102616574
I dont think it would have mattered in the least. I think he would have stopped trying to soft groom her with red supas in the months that followed tho.

>>102616574
Why wouldn't he? It was good marketing and she could share her connections with him later.

>>102607856
NijiEN = good
Biggest laugh I have gotten out of this entire thread

>>102612741
Goal post moving like always

>>102616747
She didn't need to leave Niji to leech from others. She could leech while still in the company.

>>102616845
because it is promoting another companies talent.

>>102607856
It's amazing how much Elira, Millie, Enna, Rosemi and Maririn were able to do by staying in their lane. Both got huge 3D concerts in front of 20k people. Meanwhile bomu didn't got shit and is constantly a failure KEK

>>102616574
Having her as a guest? Probably.
Giving her VIP treatment? Absolutely not, that was 100% an attempt to win her over in hopes she'd be interested in joining the company.

>>102616963
She was just there as a guest to help promote their concert, like how Ironmouse and Kson were guest at V4M concerts to help promote them.

>>102617012
mint did main stage 3d at anime nyc one of the biggest anime cons in the world in the best city in the world
how was niji's usa concert?

>>102617012
Yeah they went on stage and every JP was wondering who they are.

>>102617098
>fatameriland
>3d
LOL
LMAO
Not even Mint is delusional enough to think that is an achievement. She literally said she only wants to be a JP idol that does things with JP studios and JP talents.

>>102617181
anime nyc was produced by a top jp studio retard chama. they produce hololive concerts literally did Shiny Sparklers Symphony

>>102616307
yeah I would too for 50% of Mint's revenue and her boost of popularity, but it's just not a good deal for Mint Phase gives her basically nothing she doesn't have.

>>102617292
>phasecuck just making shit up
go back to your containment thread, you ain't fooling anyone

>>102617181
No, she wanted to bring JP idol things to EN viewers. That's why she was working with VshojoJP, and why she's been doing concerts in the US.

>>102617744
Spwn is an event organizer, they don't own a jp studio retard

>>102617814
Balus is the studio SPWN uses, and hololive used it for eveyrthing before the got their own

>>102617858
>and hololive used it for eveyrthing before the got their own
Are phasecucks incapable of just not lying?

>>102617909
>>102617814
https://cgworld.jp/regular/spwn-studio.html
they are a studio. hololive still uses them from time to time.

>>102611928
>Nobody expected Gunrun was embezzling money
Except for everyone here who called out his business model as unsustainable from the start, sure.

>>102618339
An unsustainable business model is different from embezzling half a million dollars and fleeing the country.

>>102609695
>owned by pippa
parrot why, you were the chosen one, you were supposed to shitpost about vtubers, not join them

>>102618475
Search the archives and I bet you could find that exact accusation made multiple times for years.

>>102594403
Sleepy is taking vocal lessons and so I would not count her out of being in the phase idol group