Thread 102594420

Why the fuck is everyone milking this?

>>102594420 (OP)
>Why are people who got scammed by vshojo talking about finding out they got scammed by vshojo

>>102594420 (OP)
An entire corpo agency going under is kind of big news

>>102594609
Shut the fuck up, virtue signalling SJW tranny

>>102594620
No one gives a shit about Vhoejo

>>102594650
Baffling response, are you a Leaflit watcher or something?

>>102594420 (OP)
Because it is a current event drama which will bring in views?

>>102594420 (OP)
>why do people want money
negative iq tier

>>102594420 (OP)
enough of this vshojo crap that everyone will forget in a week or so, i need MOAR of NIMI unleashing nightmares to her cucklings

>>102594609
>Majority of people talking aren't even members of Vshojo

>>102595037
>thinks you need to be a member to get scammed
Tell that to viewers who ordered Henya's birthday merch and will now never get it

>>102595037
A good number of them had pending contracts with vshojo and were going to debut soon, until the company suddenly stopped existing yesterday. Not all, some are just milking the drama for views, granted.

>>102594900
Yeah but zoomer gurus like Moist and Asmon can't just make videos about Nimi being bad for getting married.
Why do you think even more tourists than usual are here, it's the Vshojo downfall

>>102594420 (OP)
>Why the fuck is everyone milking this?
The indie vtuber scene, just like the extended streamer scene they orbit, runs on drama.

>>102594650
Hi Gunrun. Pay your fucking chuubas.

>>102594420 (OP)
>why the fuck are schizos suddenly interested in defending Vshojo?

>>102594420 (OP)
It's business. You need to stop coddling vtubers and infantalizing them, they know what they're doing. They never speak up when it's good business sense to keep quiet, and do a tell all when the tides change and it's good business to do so.

>>102595252
eh you know what, they'll all go indie anyway, i doubt any of the exvsho would go to niji nor holo at this point

>>102595884
catalogschizos expected to find some diehard vshojo loyalists to argue with, but turns out nobody wants to defend a company with 0 members, so the schizos have to play that role themselves

>>102595037
Every single person on OPs image was a VShojo member

>>102594420 (OP)
It is pretty much a humiliation ritual at this point.
When the same retards keep getting scammed and have to do these same streams, it says something about the talent involved.

>>102594900
Nimi timed her lore drop now because she knew all the dramatubers will be focused on the Vshojo drama instead of her, and by the time it dies down, her drama will already be old news.

>>102595979
>Mint

>>102595979
>Mint was technically a Vshojo member the whole time
What the fuck was she thinking

>>102594420 (OP)
Because they're greedy cunts. Never trust women. This is an obvious slander campaign against Vshojo, they did nothing wrong.

>>102596266
Watch her video. She was contractually signed to Vshojo for the past year.

>>102596266
She revealed in her announcement that she was supposed to debut under an idol group with them but then it the company ate itself and died.

>>102596283
They offered her an idol group and had contacts with the JP industry. Wasn't the worst course of action for her if the company wasn't fucking broke.

>>102596222
no, she timed the lore drop because >>102593517

>>102595161
I ordered the daki back in 2023 and I never got it
I got a refund, but still

>>102596358
If I were in her position, the whole Nyanners, Vei Nazuna and Silver situations, as well as other things should have raised alarm bells miles away.
Maybe I'm extra angry because I like Mint but I said from day one after leaving Nijisanji that going to Vshojo would not be a good move, was happy when she said "i'm not going there" but then got lured into the trap anyway.

>>102596488
Going to Vshojo to become a Vshojo(EN) streamer would not have been a good move. Going to Vshojo to work with VshojoJP to form an idol group with JP idol company connections (Dearstage) would have been a great move.
Too bad the CEO embezzled all the money and ran off with it.

>>102596643
>Going to Vshojo to work with VshojoJP to form an idol group with JP idol company connections (Dearstage) would have been a great move.
If something is too good to be true, it is.

I wonder at what point Mint knew this wasn't happening?
Like did she think this was still happening as recently as Sunday?
Was it when people stopped getting paid?
When Matara left?
When Zen left?

>>102596643
That's a fair point and you're making sense, but i'm still frustrated. It's not entirely her fault but I just wish she just avoided it altogether. I'm annoyed she ever gave them the chance.
I never trusted Vshojo to begin with, even if the JP branch was it's own thing and had alleged connections. If something is too good to be true, it probably is.

>>102596771
NTA but that's what i've been asking myself too. The alarm bells should have went off the moment Matara left. Why the fuck did she cling despite the fact that it kept getting pushed back and people were mysteriously quitting back to back? That's another reason why i'm so frustrated.

>>102596266
watch the video retard

>>102596771
ask her maybe?
I listened to Tori Oriane's story, and she was strung along pretty badly

Did they not treat you well enough, Minto?
Was an idol concert at anime nyc not enough to show you they are more legit than vshojo and take good care of you, Minto?

>>102596952
I don't watch whores.

>>102596974
The only corpo to ever treat her right was the .6% of Phase Connect.

Is it falseflaggers or are phase shills genuinely the most fucking insufferable fanbase in this fandom outside of maybe Nijisisters?

>>102596978
>say some dumb shit
>the proof is in the video
>"no im not gonna watch the video"
are you retarded or just pretending?

What did she mean by this?

>>102594420 (OP)
Because it's a big deal

>>102596941
By the time Matara was going to leave, she already put a lot of planning into the idol gen project, and since work was actually being done on it (went to Japan to record 3D debut concert), she was probably just holding out hope that things would turn out OK.

>>102596488
Vei and Nyanners left for contract reasons to an agency with much more lax oversight that just managed sponsors without the expectations for merch shilling that vshojo has, and then both immediately went on massive hiatuses and cut their stream hours significantly, so it seemed more like they wanted to soft retire. Silver left because she hated ironmouse, she hated that people liked ironmouse more than her, and because ironmouse got a nendo and she didnt. Nazuna left because she is unstable and a danger to herself. There was nothing unusual about any of these situations until the day after vshojo fell when suddenly three of them changed their stories after the fact.

>>102596974
i dont think mint understood phase connect and their dynamic. i remember she was taken aback when she was in tokyo with them and saw how they interacted with each other. like is it appropriate for a ceo to tell the talents to walk into oncoming taffic, and is it appropriate for the talents to tell the ceo to go kill himself, and then for them all then to go eat michlin star sushi for a company dinner.

>>102597068
Tourist here, there's no way there is anyone this autistic to not know that they are actively damaging phase's brand by being a complete asshat fucktard. It has to be some salty nigger anti that got banned.

>>102594420 (OP)
to try to do damage control for Nimi's announcement, which is a much bigger deal than some small corpo drama

Why do the same people keep finding themselves in these same situations? They have no instincts or intuition.

>>102597749
Same reason why scammers tend to double-dip on victims. Naviety.

>>102597468
a family that tells each other to kill themselves together, stays together. unironically.

>>102597749
If they had instincts and intuition they would be working office jobs. They have creativity and kindness.

>>102594609
>finding out
what are they "finding out"? if they weren't getting paid in months, what's with the sudden change in tone?

>>102597972
if they had instinct and intuition, they would stop winning fell for it again awards and stop having to be involved with train wrecks.

dokibird has instincts. she is the only girl that found herself in that situation once, and never again. mint, kuro, michi, henya, mata, sayu etc it is always the same actors falling for it like dummies.

>>102597169
Oh shit, could Milky have been one of the other members of the axed idol group?

>>102594420 (OP)
if you were a farmer, it'd be downright irresponsible of you to not milk a bountiful udder.
as for why they didn't talk about this earlier, blabbing all over the internet is usually very bad for a legal case. they probably waited for the okay from their lawyers.

>>102597992
>Vshojo had them under restrictive NDAs
>Everyone thought Vshojo had the money to go after & sue them if they broke NDA
>Turns out the CEO was an actual criminal and embezzled money, and the company is now broke
>Everyone is no longer afraid to speak out

>>102594420 (OP)
>Why the fuck is everyone milking this?

because that is the game anon.
get eyes on you to make money.
controversy and drama is a great way to get eyes on you.

if you don't like that you can watch 2view vtubers like I do.

Why is no one talking about the scandal with Nimi? I haven't seen a single negative reaction or thread anywhere other than 4chan.

>>102594420 (OP)
You have to understand that we are starved and thirsty for new drama content and they are feeding us, and the only good thing about vtubers is their drama unironically

>>102597470
>Tourist here
Go back

>>102596771
I would imagine the alarm bells went off when Matara was out. Matara being there was probably a big reason she entertained vshojo. Not the only reason, but a big reason.

>>102598620
kys kpop tranny

>>102598716
Mint signed with Vshojo probably around July or August of last year. Matara's meeting that led to her leaving was in February.

mint should have gone with phase connect. fortune favors the bold. if she would have taken a chance on the smaller corpo, she would have been rewarded with concerts and spared the hurt of yet another "sure thing big money corpo" crashing. hate it for all of them.

>>102598991
Mint would probably pick V4M over Phase Connect, and then be shocked when history repeats itself again because Brave Group is the blackest of them all

>>102594420 (OP)
Because drama sells?
And they love money why u think they joined Vshojo to begin with?

>>102599094
If they loved money they would have sounded the alarms the first moment Vshojo stopped paying them, not 9 months later.

>>102597992
If VShojo actually worked properly they would have the money to pay everyone and stabilize their debts within a year and that's why even people like Geega fell for it

>>102599253
You have to understand that many of these vtubers are extremely stupid and gullible ppl...

>>102599253
>>102599277

>>102599277
Vshojo wouldn't be Vshojo if they worked properly, tho.
It was fools gold being propped up on debt and money that ran out.
They acted like they were big time, the money ran out, and then because they got so used to living large they pumped it full of money they didn't have. It is the Wizard of Oz there was a greasy Filipino man behind the curtain pulling a lever.

I used to write Idol Corp was the the prime "fake it until you make it" experience, but it was VShojo.

>>102598357
>>Vshojo had them under restrictive NDAs
pieces of paper don't make you mute btw

If Mouse didn't go nuclear Lily would have never talked about it, because it's actually profitable for her to have her competitors end up in a shitty situation.

>>102598991
Phase Connect does not have connections to the Japanese idol industry. Mint wants to be a gaijin idol, not just another Live2D game streamer, doing all the idol things. She wants original songs, live concerts, and sponsorships with real world brands. Since she's not a good enough singer for Hololive, she can only go for one of the Brave subsidiaries if she wants to pursue that dream.

>>102598500
Because anti posts are trollposts and filtered out by pretty much every other community. The only people making antiposts are people who hate vtubers and vtuber fans.

>>102594420 (OP)
a final boost

>>102599515
this. if vshojo was run properly and responsibly, this fantasy jp idol group mint pitched and convinced herself was real would have never been greenlit they would have said "lolno" because it would have been a money pit
vshojo was never in the idol concert business. they had to loan mouse out to small corpos for her to get concerts

>>102599314
No kidding. Even in my previous wagecuck job they never once skipped pay day and the and the one time they owed me money, I filed a complaint and they rectified the issue within a week.

>>102598166
YAGOO, SAVE HER

>>102599515
Yeah and that's the thing, from a outsider's perspective VShojo was set to become the 1# since every VTuber on the internet wanted to join them and their JP division was starting to catch up (and until the end Nova was lucrative btw, they only delayed payments because VShojo took their money), it wasn't until the merch delays and the Exodus that people started to raise eyebrows (Vei, Nyan and Silver leaving didn't make a difference because everyone thinks they're menheras)

They got scammed and now they're playing the victim card trying to recover it with your money.

>>102598166
She confirmed that she was going to be their leader

>>102599683
>Phase Connect does not have connections to the Japanese idol industry
and what good did VShojo's idol connection in Japan get Mint? Nowhere and nothing.
VShojo never even ran an idol concert in America, yet she believed they were gonna make it happen in Japan?
Phase has produced full concerts and gotten their girls in idol concerts all over the place.

>>102599979
Mint got a 3D concert through VShojo. More importantly Gunrun actually listened to her idea to form an idol Vtuber group. Phase, being around for as long as it has, has shown no interest in actually focusing on an idol subgroup. It just puts on concerts. What Mint wants is a dedicated idol branch that supports her, just like what Suisei got in Hololive.

>>102594420 (OP)
I don't know, why are you? you only made this thread for your own slice of the (you) pie

>>102599683
>Since she's not a good enough singer for Hololive
Have you heard all of the holoENs sing? Mint is better than a good chunk of them.

More realistically, I think after everything that's happened she's too attached to her Mint persona now, and holo wouldn't do a second Suisei just for her. She'll stay indie or (probably not anymore) join a group that let's you use your already existing IP.

>>102600061
>Mint got a 3D concert through VShojo.
which one i must have missed it

>>102600327
Still coming up, but it's going ahead with our without vshojo

>>102600309
Mint is clearly and provenly not good enough for Hololive. Why do you think she failed their audition?

>>102594420 (OP)
Lots of schizos came out the last couple of days here:
>Mouse schizos
>Kson schizos
>Nimi's schizos trying to defect back
>Mint schizos
>Shylily schizos still mad about Sinder
>a Matara schizo
>Froot schizos
>Sayu schizos
>a couple of Quinn schizos
>a /pol/ schizo triggered by "virtue signaling" somewhere

Everyone hit is a bad person according to catalog.

Don't think there was a Michi schizo so that's good. Likely missing some.

>>102600376
She tried once (maybe twice) and then joined niji, and I thin that was the end of her considering holo. Some of Justice tried out for every previous gen before getting in, but they're clearly "good enough for holo" now.

Anyway, that point was specifically about her singing, meanwhile Fauna and Ame were in holo and Raora still is.

Asmon reacts
>welll....yeah
>that's really bad
>wow guys...wow that's really bad
>these companies are so you bad guys

>>102600693
Asmon would have a 12 minute rant about how he's dealt with shady internet companies before and pull up group chats that he has saved on his computer. He's as bad as Sayu.

>>102594420 (OP)
Nijitalents know how to milk an opportunity for all it's worth.

>>102596974
minto just wants to retain control over her own ip thats why phase was a no go

>>102600061
>Phase, being around for as long as it has, has shown no interest in actually focusing on an idol subgroup
they have had music groups and the wheels are in motion for an idol group. ever since the NYC concert last year, Sakana is all in on 3d idol stuff.
In the last 12 months, Phase Connect has produced and gotten talents in the following idol concerts
>Gen1 + Mint at ANYC
>Gen1 + Lumi at OffKai 2025
>Gen1 at OffKai 2024
>Lia and Lumi Vtuber Awards Halftime show
>Uruka at Anime Expo TubeOut
>Lia and Mari Nikke concert
Yet VShojo, who never produced a single 3d concert at a con, is better equipped? They were gonna do Idol concerts in their secondary market when they haven't even done one at a convention in their primary market? Again, what did VShojo's JP idol connections get her? A broken promise.

>>102594420 (OP)
>>102594650
Enjoy those IRS raids.

>>102594420 (OP)
this is the new clout chasing tactic
>I was going to join vshojo
>I thought about applying to vshojo
>I was contacted to join vshojo
there's even a collab with 3 literal who that claim to be the lost vshojo gen

>>102595967
You clearly arent looking at the right threads. Yesterday people were religiously claiming Vshojo did nothing wrong and some grifter lawyer made everything up
Today people are blaming Sayu for Silvervale/Nyanners and Vei leaving

>>102601000
Mint was literally a talent, she just hadn't debuted yet. She invested a ton of money and had a ton of things planned

>>102600693
He's got real dirt on VShojo and is waiting on the go-ahead from Ironmouse or someone else. He clearly wants to go mask off on the company and Froot in particular.

>>102599571
They do if you don't want to have to deal with lawyers going after your ass.

>>102599979
VshojoJP has a direct connection to a JP idol company. That's what she's been working on for the past year.

>>102600961
>>102594237
>DEARSTAGE inc. is a Japanese management and production company based in Tokyo and focusing on idol girl groups. It was established on July 15, 2011, and its representative director is Iwasaki Takuya.

Vshojo actually has real industry connections so Mint could go to Japan and become Anya from Cinderella Girls. Phase has nothing like that.

>>102594420 (OP)
This is playing out exactly like the niji situation
>Say Niji is bad before Selen drama.
>People ignore it
>Shit hits the fan
>People and big orgs suddenly all come out saying Niji is bad and have details spanning years showing that Niji was bad
It's ok to shit on Vshojo without getting ostracized now so people are coming out.
The power of public image works wonders in the vtuber sphere. If someone was scammed by Vshojo but Ironmouse sided with Vshojo then everyone would have sided with Vshojo.

>>102601345
>>102601621
And it was all for nothing. Oops.

>>102602267
Not her fault the CEO embezzled money and fled the country

My heart hurts for Minto she deserves better than this (and better than my phasenig brothers poachbegging her in this time of grief)

>>102599843
Milky....

>>102599843
Where did Milky confirm that?

>>102602363
No, but it was the fault of all her would-be colleagues who didn't say anything as she was joining the pyramid. The Russian roach, especially.

>>102601314
Only if you're a retard

Contracts are only effective if they meet the following requirements

1. Offer
2. Acceptance
3. Consideration.

Consideration being the payment for whatever the contract is.

IF THEY'RE NOT GETTING PAID, THE CONTRACT FOR THE NDA IS VOID! YOU DON'T JUST SIGN AN NDA FOR NOTHING, A CONTRACT MUST HAVE CONSIDERATIONT O BE VALID

SIGNING AN NDA MEANS NOTHING IF YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING FOR SIGNING THE NDA

god i'm fucking raging at retards that they think they understand the law, but I'm angier at these dumb vtuber whores who have more than enough money to hire a lawyer BUT DON'T FOR SOME FUCKING REASON IT WOULD BE LIKE A FEW THOUSAND TO HAVE THEM LOOK OVER ALL YOUR CONTRACTS

>>102602363
By coming out in public, Mint can now take Kson's spot in Vshojo JP and get that idol contract.

>>102602525
It's funny how Matara roached out in February because they weren't paying her on Merch and didn't tell Mint to get out and abandon the company. And by funny I mean sus.

>>102594650
Can't wait to see your ass in jail

>>102602407
The poachbegging comes from a good place they want Mint on the team bad they know they are too small for her but they want to believe she would ever join Phase just like she wanted to believe Vshojo was gonna make some JP idol group

>>102602584
>Matara roached out
heh

>>102602407
>Too big for small corpos. Too small for any corpo with actual power
What a place to be in.

>>102594650
And yet here you are replying in a thread about it.

>>102602716
>Too small for any corpo with actual power
I mean she crashed out of the #2 vtuber agency twice on 2 occasions now. If you always have to be a part of the biggest groups, then maybe you arent all that to begin with

>>102601000
>there's even a collab with 3 literal who that claim to be the lost vshojo gen
Pia, Beri and Tori are confirmed by ex-staff to be the "lost gen", they're not just claiming that. They were signed and in the pipelines, their debuts were delayed multiple times and then the company exploded.

>>102602622
>The poachbegging comes from a good place
This is what phasebeggars actually believe

>>102602716
mint would turn phase into a bigger group and help get then there. but she is like a baseball player who always signs with the dodgers or yankees or red sox to win an easy ring rather than going to a smaller market team to try and win one there

>>102602622
The mint begging comes from unironic unrepentant homosexuals in former /tsunx/

>>102602837
She didn't crash out of Vshojo, they crashed out on EVERYONE

>>102603037
Regardless, she has been under contract with them. She could have gone anywhere except hololive, and she picked the then #2 agency again, and again shit went wrong.

>>102594420 (OP)
>NOOOO STOP TELLING PEOPLE ABOUT THE SHITTY STUFF I DID
did you make this thread gunrun?

>>102603109
Shit went wrong not because of her, but because of the company. Who's to say if she joined some random-ass small corpo, that they wouldn't also go up in flames 6 months later? If you can't even trust two of the biggest vtuber companies to not go up in flames, who CAN you trust?

>>102602940
It do be like that

>>102603216
You can trust hololive and phase connect. That is it. One agency that doesnt want her, and the other is an agency she doesnt want.
Time will tell on vallure they need to make it to year 4 before they are in the convo.

I feel for people like henya, kson, mint etc.
The ex nijis though? FUCK EM.
Glad they're suffering, the wagie cage awaits for those traitors.
>But mint is an ex niji
But she's independent so she gets a pass.

>>102595902
100%, At least some people in here can see all the bs that goes around in this vtubing/content creation scene

>>102603319
>You can trust hololive

>>102602883
I am already tired of them
They are all gonna make “POOR ME I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN A BLACK COMPANY” their whole personality

>>102594420 (OP)
because this is easily the biggest chuuba drama of all time?

>>102603373
Mint was an indie for like 3 months as it turned out. She has been under contract with Vshojo for a year

>>102603319
>You can trust hololive and phase connect.
And then a report comes out that fishman was pissing into every coffee bag and he disappears off the face of the internet and the company dissolves.

>>102594420 (OP)
I don't care about grifters
Ironlung being ironlung

>>102594650
Why would you defend vshojo, falseflag ant-SJW-kun?

>>102594420 (OP)
>one of the biggest vtuber corpos literally vanished completely overnight
>why is everyone talking about this?

>>102598500
Turns out that unicorns aren't that big of a majority as thought I'm afraid.

>>102594420 (OP)
they should be milking their tits and my cock instead

>>102603319
>doesn't want her
>doesn't want the only actual idol link to western tubing, especially after losing their top girls
lol. lmao even
They might not want to hire an ex-niji specifically, but you can bet your britches they're desperately searching for a girl who's as close to Mint as possible.

>>102594420 (OP)
To keep in Ironmouses good books. If they don't follow along with her narrative she'll have them ghosted by the larger vtubing community and pinned as a toxic bitch like she did with Silvervale
Shes shown countless times how much control she has over twitch and twitter with her illness song and dance.
And they're even showering her with hundreds of thousands of dollars yet again for it.
You ever notice how shes always the innocent victim in every fucking drama shes ever been involved in?
Weird pattern. despite being the proclaimed #1 subscribed person ever shes always beaten down and needing help from (you) at home.
When will mouth breathing faggots wake up and realise they're being manipulated by this sociopath using her weak immune system to get anything she wants from the world

Many are grifting for drama points. Some of them not even affiliated with Vshojo. What's the dead vshojo gonna do? Sue them? Most of them don't even provide proofs of their claims (receipts) and would rather post a video/ livestream and cry a little bit for drama points.

>>102596974
unfortunately it's the nazi corpo. although given the recent popularity of nazis maybe they're destined for success

>>102605535
Mint is too old and too much baggage
They want a 25 year old Mint who has not been spit out by 2 other mega corpos

>>102606249
>too old
Anon... say psyche right now

>>102601074
>people
you mean you posted that

>Mint in Nijien and vshojo
>one literally dies and the other figuratively dies
If i am Holo or Phase I stay away she is cursed