Thread 102619005

Wait so you can just be a member to them without having an official announcement? Wonder how many other indies are actually Vshojo members too.

i wonder if phase made her an offer and she went for the too good to be true option instead.

>>102619005 (OP)
>Wait so you can just be a member to them without having an official announcement?
No, Mint was in the debut pipeline and supposed to lead an idol gen.
>Wonder how many other indies are actually Vshojo members too.
We know of Mint and 4 others. A member of Mint's idol gen and a 3-member monster girl gen.

>>102619149
given the timeline, she was already locked up with VShojo.
Vshojo signed Mint in June/July.
Mint wasn't fucking with Sakana and Lia until August.

The shitty thing is that now she is probably scared off of any corpo now, eventhough Phase is the most rock steady corpo in the east and can provide her with idol stuff. If I am Sakana, I am offering her a blank contract today.

>>102619328 (me)
*west obviously

>>102619005 (OP)
I've seen some absolutely schizophrenic anons who acted like Hololive was some kind of shadow cabal in vtubing, but then Vshojo ends up being an ACTUAL shadow cabal on top of being scum in general. What a plot twist that was.

>>102619005 (OP)
Announcement is the release of a project. But contracts are signed before that. She also needs to keep the project secret, so that alone requires some sort of contract (NDA)

What is there to be confused about? It just means she was under contract to some extent and they hadn't made it publicly known yet.

liggers trying to claim her when she was in a corpo the entire time lmao

>>102620009
So she lied about being indie

>>102619328
there's a bunch of free agents right now. if i was phase CEO, i would offer the blank contract ot henya instead.

>>102620318
No one with a valuable IP is going to Phase, period.

>>102620318
bringing in a Mint Henya package would make his Gen1 extremely happy. They would probably give up some of their perks to get them.

>>102620371
Phase lets you keep your IP now.

>>102620371
I don’t disagree. Still, the CEO would have to be out of his mind not to at least try offering them the stars and the moon.

>>102619005 (OP)
Clio was secretly part of Phase for two years before she was announced.

>>102620141
When did she say she was indie?

>>102619328
MINT WAS TRYING TO POACH SOME OF THE PHASE GIRLS

AND WHEN THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT SHE MOVED ON TO HOLOLIVE
OH YOU THOUGHT THIS FUCKING BITCH WAS JUST BEING FRIENDS WITH EVERYONE FOR THE FUN OF IT????????? FUCK NO! SHE WAS WORKING ON THE ORDER GUN RUN

SHE MAY HAVE CAUSED AME GURA AND FAUNA TO GRADUATE

>>102620371
They still could
I just dont think phase is in a hurry to be an idol company
unless mint want to self fund everything which Im sure sakana would not encourage

>>102619328
fuck it, if I am Phase I am offering kson, Henya, and Mint contracts where they keep their IPs unconditionally and 80-20 talent splits. They would elevate the company and every girl in it to another level. kson and Henya would save the failing JP branch

>>102620611
That is the natural conclusion when you're a vtuber online that isn't publicly attached to a corpo

>>102619328
>The shitty thing is that now she is probably scared off of any corpo now
And she should be. If the past several years have proven anything it's that absolutely any corpo could collapse overnight for any number of reasons, Phase included. It'd be far from the first time a seemingly "rock solid" corpo imploded.

>>102620658
you say that, but picrel has been dead quiet. could you imagine if she was supposed to be in mints idol group and sakana agreed to it?

>>102620793
Nah. VShojo collapsed is unique because they all could leave with their IPs. "Talent freedom" is what led to the ultimate implosion, because they were all free to leave.
This scenario will never happen to Hololive, Phase, hell even Nijisanji like people hoped it would because girls are not gonna unanimously quit if they have nothing concrete to fall back on.

if Vshojo talents couldn't leave with their IPs, this goes down in a much different way.

>>102620658
Meds. Now.

>>102620658
One could almost say these tactics are like... its an all out war
Is she actually VenoMint? Is thos whole thing just her own real life Fantom Pain? Does this mean Matara is Kaztara?

>>102619005 (OP)
Tori was also supposed to be in vshojo.

>>102620857
Lia is always insane, for no reason, usually because she forgot to take her meds or something.

>>102620658
>shojo was literally trying to get moles in every corpo so they could steal their itches

>>102620658
>SHE MAY HAVE CAUSED AME GURA AND FAUNA TO GRADUATE
And Aqua, Shion, Mumei, Chloe. Based. Sasuga, Mintolver Ocelot.

>>102621183
I am just saying, there are stranger things, and I don't think it is crazy that sakana would allow her to be a duel corpo girl. he has let lumi and lia do mythic sponsored stuff, and mari is with phase and mythic currently.

>>102621183
>moles in every corpo
Reminds me when Pippa exposed some other agencies trying to poach her she did not name them but she told Sakana

>>102621400
>mythic
Its a sponsor program that helps led sponsorships and contracts. Its not permanent unless they sign and some of mythic agents are phase fans

>>102621521
that's what people thought VShojo was as well.

>>102621521
i know, but when lia comesback and if there is an ominous stream title, you can bet what it will be about

remember that time catalog fags were like "cover corp has a 1 year non-compete because kson joined vshojo a year after coco graduated" and i was like no they don't and kson joined ~3 months ago in like april and people yelled at me and said i was stupid and that obviously kson signed her contract the day she went on stage to announce it and i was like no she literally said in japanese she joined a few months ago and they were like no you don't understand her or she lied or it doesn't count or some shit because how could you be signed to an agency without it being publicly known? idk people were weirdly adamant about a non-compete for no reason. so anyway you're dumb and should apologize but you probably killed yourself due to unicorn thing recently.

>>102619005 (OP)
>you can just be a member to them without having an official announcement?
Yes? You're officially part of the company as soon as you sign the contract.

>>102621711
Lots of ramblings here but yeah agree that Kson probably already got signed up by Vshojo soon after graduation and was just bidding time, just like when Pikamee's graduation was initially thought by the public to be due to that Harry Potter game when really Kson probably already sweet talked and convinced her to sign up for Vshojo.

>>102621640
>people thought VShojo was as well.
From what PayMoneyWubby said about Mythic was that it's all contracts and sponsorships and offers great security about swatting or having your personal info leaked

>>102619005 (OP)
>there were two others
saba, nimi

Rumor is that Sinder was Vshojo agent sent to be a spy against Shylily's growing faction, which they had been secretly in a cold war with for years. Once Sinder got exposed Vshojo cut off all contact and left her to her fate.

>>102622172
i used to vaguepost in /#/ whenever kson alluded to black company things and everyone would tell me i'm a schizo. should have saved some to grudgepost
> just like when Pikamee's graduation was initially thought by the public to be due to that Harry Potter game when really Kson probably already sweet talked and convinced her to sign up for Vshojo.
that one was annoying. but i think that everyone can finally see the light now that we all know there was no way vshojo set up an entire brand with a model in the span of 2 months.

>>102619005 (OP)
Well that's shady as fuck. But not a rare practice since there were news in the past that some JP "indies" are backed by chink companies.

>>102622744
it's not really shady, hololive and nijisanji talents also sign contracts months before they debut. the issue is her debut was delayed for a ridiculous amount of time.

>>102620371
Fuck off. Phase is now the best corpo to join after the fallout of other corpos, including Hololive.

>>102622369
Nah, one of them was Phoebe.

>>102622841
Was she going to debut under a new persona? If so, then i'd agree with you.
If not, then it's similar to the chink shadow vtuber agencies.

>>102623173
she was going to debut as part of an idol-focused gen with a couple other people. then they held the auditions, picked out a couple people, then it was delayed significantly.

>>102619005 (OP)
you sign the contract with them months before announcements or anything like that happens. Just consider the position of the corpo: are you going to start commissioning the announcement videos and a model and the costs for designing and pre-ordering merch, if the talent can still walk away halfway through this process without any assurances on their behalf? The initial contract is signed before the first concept design artist puts pen to paper.

>>102623173
She intended for it to become public when the gen was ready to debut, probably with a big blowout 3D concert. Different from chink shadow agencies who don't want people to know of their involvement.

>>102623370
idol gen was not auditions iirc, it was entirely reaching out to already established talents who were also legitimate (current or former) idols. the audition gen was the monstergirls, piapi beri tori and one unknown

>>102623506
>legitimate (current or former) idols
then why was mint there?

>>102623506
mint said they auditioned in her video. if it wasn't the "auditions" they tweeted about then it was some other form of auditioning and the same point applies.

>>102623053
Some people will watch corpos like Niji fall under some insane scrutiny that extends even beyond the vtuber sphere like with the Doki drama and their recent controversial terminations, or watch VShojo literally collapse overnight and still pretend like Phase is some uniquely untouchable company.

>>102619005 (OP)
>Wonder how many other indies are actually Vshojo members too
None at this point, the lot of them cancelled their contracts

>>102623053
I want what you're smoking, phasepig

>>102620429
>now
Since Lumi at latest which was near the very beginning

>>102626751
no, because Dizzy, Ember and Jelly got great value versions of their original IPs

>>102619149
An offer by phase is an immediate bad offer

The girls are going to go full communism, I guarantee it. One of them will get the idea to grab all the former corpos and work together to help each other but it will end in cliques and severe in-fighting.
I've seen this all before. The utopia made of hopes, dreams and idealism.

>>102619005 (OP)
There are VShojo members even among corpos, they were merely keeping it a secret.
Nijipocalypse? Holograduations?
Inside job courtesy of Vshojo members hiding in their ranks.

>>102632056
So did Mint and Sayu accidentally make every corpo have to play a game of among us? Lmao

>>102632899
Mint and Sayu?
Try Kiryu Coco.
The first to be poached and she tried making others follow, whether it was through sweet promises or gay sex.

>>102633342
This year's losers are Kson and Mint. By this point, Sayu is the decade's biggest loser

>>102634202
Michael cat streams to 30 viewers on kick, don't forget

>>102634202
Nah, that would still be Vox, who is a shell of his former self reaching 3 Finanas despite having millions of fujos in the palm of his hand back in the day
Even beyond general Niji stuff, he managed to piss off his rabid fanbase multiple times and it's entirely his fault
Sayu fumbled the bag a lot, but she didn't have a great height to fall from.

>>102619005 (OP)
My guess is she was set to debut, but didn't because of the current shitshow.

Phase might be a small agency, but at least they’re consistent. Only two members have ever left. Yuri, who was terminated for breaking contract rules, and Saya, who graduated because of personal reasons. That kind of stability really says a lot about how the company is run.

>>102634365
>Vox, the literal millionaire with multiple properties in London who outearned all of HoloEN, is the loser of the decade
Vox got to make his dream of directing a movie come true. Sayu is so washed that she wishes she was still in Niji despite shitting on them nonstop

>>102634648
He'll surely fuck you specifically if you keep praising him on /vt/, sis. Maybe if you loop his songs more, he'll even take the bag off your face.

>>102634716
Seethe more, Holodrone. He mogged your oshi

So Kson, and maybe Mint were trying to poach vtubers from Holo, Phase and Niji in Gunrun's name?
That would be the most hilarious and diabolical shit ever to happen in vtubing, far eviler than the Original vtuber Voldemort.

>>102634794
Nah, Mint said it was auditions. We know who one of the two were (Phoebe, an indie), who also herself said it was auditions.

>>102634648
A PowerPoint slide deck is not a movie lmao

>>102634615
Both of those girls are forgettable AF.
Yuri the retard menhera who had some weird beef with ... was it Lumi or Lia and was part of a discord clique
And the lazy ass Saya for being lazy and being an anchor Nepohire of Dizzy or Muyu IDK who was it.

>>102634861
Interesting.

>>102619005 (OP)
>said she won't join a corpo
>joined a corpo behind people's back
I can't trust this backstabbing snake anymore

>>102635010
she never said that though

>>102634794
No, Vshojo themselves were the ones trying to poach based upon the leaked DMs Sayu posted. Matara was used to try and lure in ex-Nijis, as Kson was to be used for Holos.
Mint only signed on to Vshojo in the promise to create an idol gen under the JP branch 7 months ago.

>>102635081
Disgusting.

>>102635050
I've seen at least 1 clip where her and Dokibird joke about never joining a corporation ever again and it was only from a few months ago. She definitely kept it a secret and played up appearances as though she wouldnt consider it

>>102619005 (OP)
no one signs a contract and debut on the same day, Also it's the company that makes the announcement, not the talent.

>>102623653
Well, they are unique in that that they're profitable and don't have investors they need to pay back

>>102620371
>>102623053
TROON CONNECT

>>102620371
Marimari Underscore EN did.

>>102626804
Ember rebranded as Ember before she joined Phase

>>102620318
>>102620381
do you really want a nijisister in your corpo, phasecucks?

>>102620504
>she

>>102634772
>Holodrone
Rent free, Nijishitter. Don't let Vshojo's death make you forget that you lost first

>>102619005 (OP)
A surgeon vtuber who mostly streams on twitch but does medical education streams on youtube (Shioripon) claimed to audition for them last year.

>>102621117
BOOOOOOOOOOOOO
what a fucking downgrade

>>102637710
>Holodrone trying to memoryhole Nijisanji double mogging Hololive for months and Yagoo kissing Riku's boots


Kek

>>102622313
that's what they all say until $$$ signs start popping up

>>102619214
>We know of Mint and 4 others.
>idol gen
Nyana? ouch

>>102619410
I think everyone bitched about how vshojo is a nepo shady clique corpo for years.

>>102638077
Idol gen was Mint, Phoebe, and one other who hasn't come out yet
Monster Girl gen was Beri, Pia, and Tori

>>102638124
>other who hasn't come out yet
could it be reimu?

>>102619214
>No, Mint was in the debut pipeline
Was she actually or is she grifting for sympathy, receipts only thanks

>>102638156
No because they were supposed to have debuted already, but things got delayed and pushed back.

>>102638265
Search the archive for "mint vshojo" from back in February. People posted screenshots that her merch store paypal was being processed through Vshojo.

>>102638077
Nyana is all but confirmed to be phasing in

>>102620771
So she didn't lie, you're just retarded and take everything at face value

>>102637142
joining Phase did a remarkable job of washing at least five guys' cum off her

>>102619149
>Mint thread
>Phasecuck,: "how can we make this about my cuck agency"

I want Mint to join Phase Connect so she gets isolated in One place, so I don't see her name all over. She can lock clams with the other Phase dykes like her all she wants.

>>102638425
Saying you won't join a corpo then joining a corpo is lying

>>102640207
Hey, it's what kson did, and guess which corpo - sorry, "definitely not a corpo (TM)" - she also joined?

>>102619328
>eventhough Phase is the most rock steady corpo in the east
I see people say stuff like this and it makes me wonder if something happens in the next couple years, people are gonna be acting like the warning signs were always there. I mean, Sakana has all sorts of weird behavior that we take as funny and endearing now, like making the girls work in the warehouse or his fixation on trying to recreate Marine or when he says stuff like "Tenma is the perfect idol until she opens her mouth", but all of it could be taken a very different way in a different light.
Sorry, I'm not actually trying to suggest Phase is anywhere near as fucked up as anyone else in the game right now or anything. It's just these times are making me wonder how things look if the script ever gets flipped.

>>102638907
to be fair, most non-Phasecucks do this too.

>>102640244
VPoachjo. It's the only way they found success

>>102620371
Before I would have agreed with you, but with vshojo dead phase is functionally the only corpo that will let you keep the ip through invaders.
I think there is vdere as well, but that's more of a group than a corpo, and mythic or whatever is more streamer than vtuber focused.

That said, I doubt Sakana can afford to go after the girls who left. Maybe Mint, ironically, since he can offer her idoling.

>>102620141
Technically not lying when no one asked her if she is indie ;)

I can't even stick to indies to escape corpo drama horseshit anymore because they might just be "indies" now.
Fuck this shit, man.

>>102640207
It's called changing your mind retard. Not everyone has to stick to every single thing they've ever said. Lying would be if she said "I haven't joined a corpo" after joining

>>102641215
Yeah, thanks Mint

>>102634794
Nina did too, don't forget. She was the first in niji to fall for this shit and pulled as many with her as she could.

>>102619005 (OP)
What the fuck

>>102641026
VDere isn’t a serious group
They aren’t even a corpo
They are as much of a corpo as the Barbie’s, but at least the Barbies are well known girls and have names. Vdere are 2views in the gaggle of ex small corpos just faces in the small crowd

>>102641269
>>102635941

>>102619005 (OP)
nimi, saba

>>102631442
You will never be a woman.

>>102640722
>oh yeah phase is solid now, but what if in 2028 Pippa decides to endorse literally hitler for president and lumi comes out and says her audience are cucks for her and her husband and should keep paying her and tenma fucking dies on stream and and and
Do you have the ability to understand that 'several years' is not the present? That even if a corpo like Hololive or vshojo was rock solid in 2020, in 2025 they have a lot of obvious cracks now?

>>102642384
>Do you have the ability to understand that 'several years' is not the present?
"In the next couple years" means any time within that timeframe, and if literally every other corpo's story has proven anything then it's not a matter of if everything goes to shit, it's when, so why bother taking the risk at this point?

>>102641647
Jokes aren't lies either dumbass

>>102619005 (OP)
ew

>>102637142
she was a close friend with multiple people there

>>102638555
sometimes i cant tell if you faggots start believing in your shitposting or not
you write that like you actually believe it

>>102619005 (OP)
i do feel betrayed. i really do. i posted her in da liggy all the time and didn't know. how can i ever show my face there again? shit like this is why i can never really trust a streamer

>>102620994
even with being able to leave freely, most of them still stuck around for years without being paid. I don't see how that'd be different in a traditional corpo

>>102619214
Idols don't publish their nudes on anonymous image boards

>>102637150
Her pre-Phase redesign was completely different and never got further than tentative concept art, the only thing that got carried over was her name

>>102646983
>he doesn't know

>>102621400
Why do only women with boyfriends attach to mythic?

>>102647075
Modern day catalogue brides.

>>102642351
Great fit for Phase then

>>102620658
The chances of this aren't 0%

>>102634524
This is exactly the situation. Like >>102619214 pointed out, she was in the debut pipeline. Faggots like OP and the clipnigger in his thumbnail are browns who can't understand this.

>>102648795
That doesn't make it and her actions better.