Thread 102637778

bankruptcy creditors can and will go after people that left vshojo before the shitshow

law too if anything illegal was found.

there is no escape for them.

dark rrat: not just the staff, but the vtubers might be in trouble too depending on what they know and what they did.

>>102637778 (OP)
They're all innocent, the NDA closed their mouths shut, and they couldn't tell anyone about any illegal activities done by vshojo.

>>102637778 (OP)
isn't this lawyer a pedophile

>>102637855
we don't claim that faggot.

>>102637778 (OP)
isn't that the pedophile lawyer that fled to south korea

>>102637778 (OP)
creditors can also clawback money that vshojo paid out. all the artists and other workers, might be fucked.

>>102637837
They hope.

>>102637778 (OP)
Nigga they don't even have the money to pay salaries, what makes you think they have the money to sue people?

>>102637860
The fact whatever you were replying to got deleted has me noticing.

>>102638497
Jannies don't like it when you point out that Pedo Mindset is a pedophile and that he isn't even a real lawyer

>>102638497
should have known better than to insult a member of phase connect

>>102637778 (OP)
>vtubers might be in trouble too depending on what they know and what they did.
Good thing they were all in the dark until like a week ago then dumbass

lets hope Melody is also finally held accountable she's wriggled free far too many times so far

>>102637837
No contract is above criminal law. NDA doesn’t apply when there are illegal activity to be reported.

Does that guy have any legal training and experience, or just the "mindset"?

>>102638641
hi mowtendoo

>>102638777
more than Vshojos lawyer LMAO

>>102637778 (OP)
Talents aren't even employees. According to this same faggot they are contractors.

>>102638777
He got legal training in figuring out how to get away with raping children. Nothing about business law though

>>102638752
Wrong. The girls said the NDA stopped them from talking. Educate yourself.

>>102637932
This is just untrue unless the people who received the money had some knowledge of what was going on

>>102637778 (OP)
Wow.
Not-Very-Nice,...SHILL THREAD!,...You moron.
Go fuck yourself.
Meds,E!
KEK.

>>102638777
He's a practicing lawyer in Florida. I think he mostly deals with immgration law

None of the vtubers are corporate officers, and it's quite hard to pierce the corporate veil. The executive suite is probably fucked in this case due to negligence. However, the vtubers have zero risk of creditors trying to liquidate assets from them, unless the company tried to illegally transfer assets to them, which on the basis of them not getting paid, is unlikely. These vtubers aren't going to pay a dime of the company's debts, they are independent unless they were stupid enough to commingle assets with the company.

>>102638947
>Reddit frog image
>imgur file name
Raid is confirmed to be happening

>>102638988

Um,...THIIIIISSSSS!
>>102638979

>>102638882
>The girls said
>Educate yourself
Are you pretending, or genuinely this retarded? A contract cannot compel you to take criminal actions, and cannot compel you to hide a crime.

>sage

>sage

>sage

>>102637778 (OP)
PLAY TIME'S OVER!,..."LITTLE KID"!

>>102638777
He is technically a lawyer, but nothing of that is shown in his streams as he acts like every other drama-grifting clown with absolutely nonsensical takes.

He tends to do zero research, and if that isn't a dead-giveaway that the concept of "legal-mindset" is a complete farce then you are genuinely retarded.

>>102638912
>practicing lawyer
Never involved in a single case where he wasn't getting charged
>Florida
He fled to Thailand to escape his crimes
>Immigration law
Code for encouraging men to fly to Thailand to fuck child prostitutes

>>102639027
NTA, but I thought both of those posts sounded like obvious sarcasm against all those "But there are NDAs" posts

>>102637778 (OP)
This specifically applies to high ranking people like CEO, CFO, heads of departments and so on. Lower ranking employees and contractors are exempt.

>>102639027

OVER
NINE-THOUSAAAAANNNNND!,...
Times!!,...THESE!
>>102638947
>>102638979

Go FUCK yourself!,..."Little Kid".
Meds,E!
KEK.

>>102638719
>some people didnt get paid since 2022
>but the others didnt know anything about it
Very believable, I believe this answers the question of what kind of person is dumb enough to believe their "Just trust us" system

>>102638416
bankruptcy lawyers will get paid from asset seizures. this includes clawing back stuff from ex-employees.
lawyers are greedy creatures

>>102637837
NDA doesn't prevent whistleblowing about actual criminal stuff. Doubt any talents would know deep financial details though other than Melody and Ironmouse.

>>102639047
>>102639110
>"you have psychosis" wirh an exclamation point
Fake and gay

>>102639177
Vshojo didn't pay anyone since like 2023 there's nothing to claw back lol

>>102639125

Just take a look
at these for a moment,okay?
First one.
>>102638979
Second one.
>>102638947

And I have two simple words for you.

NOBODY CARES!
https://youtu.be/AKFL-9PAVbU?si=ntmXwDd0awmwnzGD

>>102638835
Money can be clawed back from both employees and contractors. read up bankruptcy law nigga

>>102639211

Please take a look
at this,will you?
>>102639247

>>102639088
Fair, but given the amount of stupid I've seen being uttered around here I can't be too sure.

>>102638885
Nope. money can be clawed back even without insider knowledge during a bankruptcy procedure

fuck VShojo

>>102639261
You might want to follow your own advice. Such restitution can only be enforced if the cash flow itself was illicit. I.e if a company pays a "contractor" (a friend or family, in most cases) an absurd fee as a means of getting rid of assets before bankruptcy.

Something like 'pay' or 'actual money they are owed' is not something that is ever on the table for anyone to 'claw back'

>>102639244
during kson's stream, the JP employees were getting paid so it's likely vshojo was paying money to people just not the vtubers

MMMMMOOOOODSSSSS!

BAN THIS TOXIC DINGLEBERRY!
>>102637778 (OP)

DESTROY THIS THREAD NOW!

SEND IT STRAIGHT TO HELL!

RRRRRAAAAAARRRRRGH!
FUCK ALL OF YOU!

RRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

>>102639348
>Such restitution can only be enforced if the cash flow itself was illicit.
No. It can be applied for ordinary business operations too.
It's worse for vshojo because all the talents can be considered insiders due to their nature of work.

>>102637778 (OP)
SHUT THE FUCK UP!
NOBODY EVEN WANTS YOU HERE!
And feel free to check this out!,...
AND THE SAME GOES TO EVERY
GOD-DAMNED SINGLE MOTHER-FUCKING
LAST ONE OF YOU!
https://youtu.be/GhJ043zp8hI?si=5Q8cxxpK189ExgbE

>>102637778 (OP)
that makes no sense, why would an employee thats not upper level and didnt directly do anything illegal be on the hook for anything?
Same with middle and lower staff. I also dont understand how creditors would have any standing with that. Never heard of anyone working for a company that then bankrupts being gone after to fork over money simply cause they were paid for their work. Its literally the opposite, you get extra severance payments when youre made redundant through bankruptcy. Unless a vtuber was directly stealing money, theres no chance that anyone will even try to squeeze them.

>>102639618
>do anything illegal be on the hook for anything?
they wouldn't be legally liable for the crime but their wages can still be clawed back. you can't just commit crimes and pay your employees with dirty money.

>>102637778 (OP)
Vshojo's failure was guaranteed. Vtuber is bad industry with no barriers to entry and funding this flawed business model with cheap Covid era debt = bankruptcy.

But you can be certain that going forward, Vtuber agencies will heavily rely on AI vtubing. With the wild success of Neuro sama and ubiquitous presence of Ani Grok, it's guaranteed.

Once Vshojo files chapter 7 I bet there will be a mad rush to buy IPs to ironmouse and other vtubers so they can turn them into autonomous AI vtuber like neuro/Ani.

>>102639432
nta
why or how? Makes no sense to me. If they did work and were paid for it then its their money and the case closes as long as theres nothing illegal at least.

>>102639651
whats dirty about the cashflow though? its not like its contraband proceeds.

>>102639700
>whats dirty about the cashflow though
charity fraud money is dirty money

>>102639067
he predicted how a Disney v Florida lawsuit would turn out, that smug prick Legal Eagle called him an idiot, and then he was completely right. So until there's some proof of what Johnny Somali's glazers claim, he's okay

>>102637932
Vshojo isn't a limited liability company or co-op where every employee can assume a share of financial responsibility you mongoloid. The heads like CEO, CFo and COO can be held financially responsible if there's gross mismanagement of the company, which in this case there very much is.

Should've kept himself doing YTPMVs.

>>102639432
>It can be for normal business operations
No. You cannot steal from an employee because their boss stole from someone. Money rightfully earned is rightfully theirs. I have no idea where you're getting this absurd notion that the state will rob someone for crimes committed by another party, but that's complete bullshit.
>It's worse for vshojo because all the talents can be considered insiders due to their nature of work.
The moon 'can be considered' a square, that doesn't mean it ever will be or that such a notion has any merit in a court of law. What you just said is a whole load of vapid nothing. Are they, or are they not, insiders.

>>102639763
Anon you dumb motherfucker nobody can 'predict' how a lawsuit will turn out any better than an oracle can predict the future with a crystal ball, that's why there's a billion dollar industry around law, because its complex and not nearly as easy to parse as the common imbecile might think.

What you just said is that he guessed correctly once and that made you think he is a credible source of information, and that makes you a complete and utter moron.

>>102639700
The anon is making no sense and probably fell for a cash app scam when he spent the money. You are correct, if payments were made in the ordinary course of business without any preferential treatment there's very little a creditor can do to clawback money from the talents. Considering the talents weren't being paid despite being their most important contractors, is very likely non-preferential treatment. What's more funny is that they are probably unsecured creditors against Vshojo, which means they have a higher seniority in liquidation than the VC firms who invested in it.

>>102639736
how do you know any of the money paid to any of the talents or staff came from the charity money?

The work they did was real and they were entitled to be paid. I dont see any standing for the talents to be liable or for the state to decide the crime of charity fraud is worse than the crime of essentially stealing from your workers by not paying. Like I cant see the state "switching" one crime for another. Especially considering charities probably arent on the level of someone's family's livelihood when it comes to public interest.

>>102637837
Who's "they"?
Most of the shit being thrown at vshojo never says it was all gunrun. He barely even gets mentioned and almost everyone just says "vshojo did this and that". Who's vshojo? Surely it would be ALL of the people at the top of the operation, which would include Mowtendoo?
Over the past few months leading up to now everyone involved with vshitshow have been jumping off the ship, and now they're all going "W-well it wasn't me who did this!"

>be stupid whore female
>want to get popular and rich fast
>sell herself to the industry knowing very it’s corrupt
>whore herself for a couple of months and get millions
>greed and ego slowly fills her brain making her blind to her own selfish deeds
>drama talk with other vtube bitches about not getting enough money
>rugpulls the company to fuck everyone working behind the scene over
>go indie

Let me be the devils advocate here. Running a vtuber agency isn’t cheap or easy. You have distribution deals,micro and macro management, marketing, investors and all other shit to deal with and on top of that you have to do vtuber A&R / development to teach this stupid bitches how to act in front of the camera.

They literally get everything handed to them on a silver platter and then they freaking demand more money. Ok bitch what about that avatar you are using that was payed by us. Ok bitch what about that song you recorded. We had to find a recording engineer, beat maker and all other shit while you sit on your fat ass and talk to the camera.

This is why most contracts are a loan cause these bitches gotta payback what they got for free. Now they can just get popular and get a following of simps then quit, take all the hard work to get them where they are at and then just go indie. Imagine that you working your butt of for a bitch to become a superstar only for her to shit all over you and leave.

>>102637837
>NDA closed mouth shut
>Suddenly NDA is gone and everyone is leaking shit from their vagina.
HUH?

>>102637778 (OP)
Buy and ad or a thai underage hooker, I don't care

>>102639985
>A topic where a greedy corpo ripped off their employees
>"Ah but did you consider how hard it is to be a greedy corpo and how greedy the employees are for wanting what is less than a fair share of their efforts worth?"
Spectacularly retarded, well done anon.

>>102639985
Gunrun?

>>102639886
>Anon you dumb motherfucker nobody can 'predict' how a lawsuit will turn out any better than an oracle can predict the future with a crystal ball
there is literally an entire industry out of receiving the facts of the case and then predicting the outcome of a lawsuit. a practitioner in this industry is called a "litigator", and the good ones make a lot of money by being right a lot, and litigating cases where they win, and not taking cases where they would lose.

>>102640021
That's because Ironmouse left and started talking and everyone left and the NDA isn't applied anymore.

>>102637778 (OP)
Yeah that can happen, if there is a case against them being personally liable for the situation.
So it's not an automatic, but it's somewhat reasonable to assume that an execute officer could have some involvement that needs to be investigated

>>102640054
>NDA isn't applied anymore
If it ever did. Have any of them had a lawyer look over what they were signing?

>>102639958
>is very likely non-preferential treatment.
we don't know if every single talent was unpaid. it's likely gunrun paid the girls that he "liked" the most.

>>102639985
I kinda agree with you here, but dude, /vt/ is a board to simp for 3D e-thots (that pretended to be vtubers) so you are gonna piss off everyone here lmao. Lets just wait for Vshojo official statement, they are guilty for now kek.

>>102640051
>Risk assessment and outcome prediction are the same thing
Bruv. What are you doing?

>>102637778 (OP)
I'd say pedo mindset could get sued for libel over this but then I realized he's literally hiding from the US government in Thailand so he's practically untouchable

>>102639958
thank you, I appreciate the input. This is what I assumed it should be.
>without any preferential treatment
is this the reason why staff was still being paid because theyre higher up in the relevance chain and if the company had instead paid their talents and gotten caught there would be a chance of liability criminally and also potentially forced backpay for talents? Because the order of payout wouldve been manipulated in the favour of someone that wasnt entitled to it at that point?

>>102640079
Anon. If you break an NDA, even if you can prove it wasn't 'technically legitimate' you still get your ass blacklisted. Don't try to be smart when you know little to nothing of the circumstances.

>>102640079
>If it ever did.
retard

>>102640054
Ironmouse yea, but I don't think you can leave a company by just tweeting about it, you have to go to the company and maybe sign some papers and quit? I am talking about pikamee and cos

>>102640094
That will be decided in the bankruptcy proceedings. But if Kson was the only smart enough to hire a lawyer to pursue unpaid services, then it's not looking great for the others.

>>102640131
>blacklisted
By who? This ain't Hollywood.

>>102640054
Vshojo still exist, all they do is bet on that noone shows up that is going to sue them for breaking the NDA.

>>102640124
Staff are employees, talents are contractors. That's not the sort of 'preferential treatment' being brought up here, it's more along the lines of 'secretary A is getting a regular salary' and 'secretary B is getting paid five times the regular salary'.

>>102640137
>t. has never seen a contract before

>>102640188
I left Vshojo. See, thats how easy it is to quit.
No discussion with corpo, just quit.
Contract? What contract?

>>102639985
I dont see how this applies here. Unless youre saying they planned that 3 years in advance its pretty obvious that their claims are true. Greed and ego aside, if youre a company and you tell ethot you pay x amount of money and then you dont and the talent sues you, thats you being a dumb faggot. Not a rugpull, not greedy bitches.

>>102640161
Other vtubing companies, sponsorships, merch companies, other vtubers who don't want to associate with someone considered a brand risk etc.

Again, stop trying to act smart when you know so little. I have no fucking clue why you'd even think bringing up Hollywood in particular has anything to do with NDAs specifically, when they exist in pretty much any and every industry and breaking them has long lasting repercussions no matter where you are trying to work.

>>102640171
if sec A is not getting paid, while sec B gets paid her regular salary, it is still preferential treatment. if any of the close vshojo talents got paid but not someone like say kson, then the money from the paid talents will be clawbacked.

>>102640206
Your point is? The they broke NDA? Sorry I am confused I don't get it.

>>102640206
"NDA" isn't a protection for a company to do illegal shit. Forbidding people from discussing pay isn't legal.

>>102640214
>if sec A is not getting paid, while sec B gets paid her regular salary, it is still preferential treatment
Technically, but not actually. Words mean specific things in regards to law and legal procedure, not just 'it technically means this in the strict literal definition'
>if any of the close vshojo talents got paid but not someone like say kson, then the money from the paid talents will be clawbacked.
No. That's perhaps the most nonsensical take you could have had in this situation. If anything, this would put the other talents on the top of the list of creditors who get a payout.

>>102638777
Better than a vshojo or niji lawyer is the wannabe celebrity one. Wtf bros

>>102640171
>Staff are employees, talents are contractors.
yeah thats why I asked if thats why staff was still paid. At least criminally, Im pr sure not paying them is much worse than not paying talents. I just dont know if this is the same in financial law
I dont understand how your example is related to anything I say. My point was about a company having enough money to pay half of what they owe to everyone, but instead of everyone getting half, they intentionally pay who they like in full (and maybe give them a raise too) and scam everyone else

>>102637778 (OP)
OP here

We know multiple talents weren't paid anything for almost a year. We don't know if this applies to other talents.

Paid talents: Given that all were vtubers, it falls under preferential treatment to pay one vtuber over other. (There's probably company politics involed)

Unpaid talents: Literally fucked. Contractors are last in line for bankruptcy claims. So it's unlikely to see any money from the bankruptcy estate

>>102640104
risk assessment is outcome odds + assigned values to the outcomes.

>>102639985
>Defends a company who not only withheld pay for months but straight up defrauded a charity of half a million with the CEO going radiosilent once shit really kicked off
You come off as a Chud who's just mad that they're using rightful legal discourse to get what is contractually theirs.

>>102640246
That is correct, but as I mentioned before just because your NDA is technically compelling you to do things you shouldn't and you can get away with breaking your NDA, other companies whom you might want to work with will still consider you a brand risk, which is why people tend to not break an NDA even if they are 'technically allowed' to do so.
>>102640229
The point is that there is a difference between what the law says you can do, and what you can get away with in a social context. A whistleblower, even in the absolute best case where they did everything right, is still likely to get shunned by the rest of the industry.

>>102640283
He is not defending tho, just looking at it from a different angle.

>>102640104
Nta but reread what you just typed shamefully

>>102640246
Not disclosing how much you get paid is textbook NDA stuff

>>102640256
>If anything, this would put the other talents on the top of the list of creditors who get a payout.
kek. please shut the fuck up, you don't know anything about law.

>>102640268
It's quite normal with companies in troubled financial situations to prioritise who they pay. Paying everyone merely a portion of what they're owed is basically never done. Preferential treatment as it is relevant here is basically just exactly what I said in the previous example. Prioritising which debtor you are paying first is not a case of preferential treatment in this scenario.

>>102640293
Nigger everyone has been forced to become an indie and burned by a corpo you think they give a shit?

>>102640278
Did you have a point to make or were you just demonstrating you didn't understand my post?
>>102640302
>Anon is a brainlet to whom nuance does not exist
Dumb fuck.

>>102640124
Vshojo's talents aren't Hololive talents, they are basically independent contractors. Vshojo 'hires' them like you hire a plumber and he sends an invoice for his services. The talents basically run a separate business and Vshojo acted as an agency.

Basically Vshojo was stiffing on invoices, Kson was at least competent enough to pursue payment because companies will gladly let your accounts receivable age if you're too lazy. Employees have much stricter laws when it comes to payroll. Generally employee wages are higher on the seniority list, but missing payroll is heck of lot scarier than not paying a contractor. You miss payroll and you are actually getting into trouble with federal and state enforcement agencies for unpaid wages, and if there's a real fuckup unremitted payroll taxes. So if there's $100,000 in wages vs $100,000 in talent compensation, the always correct decision is to pay the wages from a liability standpoint.

TL:DR Pay your fucking employees before anyone else.

>>102640308
Kek, you're a reverse mule and don't even understand basic English!

We're just random posting now, yeah?

>>102640339
>Do you think they give a shit
I don't give a shit whether or not they 'give a shit'. I am merely explaining why breaking an NDA is more involved than "technically this NDA isn't enforceable"

>>102640295
Except it's hamfisted and full of hyperbole.
>The recourses we invest in you that you use to generate revenue for us with profit was ALSO a loan you have to pay back
What kind of retarded reasoning is that!? My employer doesn't dock my pay for the laptop and expensive licensed programs I use for my day to day business because it's not legal (unless I'm part owner and assume some financial responsibility for operations costs which is another ballpark entirely).

>>102640295
Hes making a strawman that ignores vshojo breaking contracts and embezzling charity money. The talents didnt FORCE them to not pay the charity. His story pretends all the bad stuff company did didnt actually happen. its not a different angle its fanfic.

>>102640335
I dont think thats correct.
I think this is anons the correct answer:

>>102640363
yeah, thats exactly what I meant, the federal/state issue. thank you. I appreciate

>>102640363
Many here clearly don't understand bankruptcy laws with so many claiming the girls are last in line when they in fact count as employees/creditors so they're first to plunder Vshojos corpse with investors having to stand behind.
>Inb4 those (((investors))) will never allow them to get away with it

Does Vtubing have similar contracts like the music industry such as the 360 deal?

If so then the Vtubers are basically just paying back a massive loan and are only payed for specific activities written in the contract. With Vshojo I’m not really sure what type of contract each Vtuber has.

It’s very easy to make your online following believe you as the one in good faith but it really all depends on what the court has to say when it’s over and done with.

>>102640488
>Payed
It's "paid". Writing it like that is an awful habit that you should really get rid of asap.
If they are contractors as such, then they might have to pay back Vshojo for costs like models and such, but that isn't relevant in this case at all, this is about Vshojo explicitly breaching contract terms and not paying out money the talents are owed.

>>102640547
Sorry I’m ESL trash

>>102640547
Do we have the contract or is this all from word of mouth? I’m not so deep in the drama. Have pictures of the contract been leaked?

>>102640595
Not that I know of, just a lot of noise about how the contracts were all pretty bad (as described by the talents) but I've not seen any actual documents.

>>102640595
>Have pictures of the contract been leaked?
lmao no. we have reciepts for basically nothing. everything exploded less than 48 hours ago. you'll probably need to wait until middle of next month for the first actual facts to start appearing, and we wont have the full picture until next year.

>>102638882
You are incorrect. It does not matter what an NDA says. There are literally protections for this shit in place in every relevant country. You can not be legally silenced from reporting a crime like this.

>>102640620
>>102640626
Ok…so we literally are just going off the “good faith” of vtuber.

I did watch the stream where kson confronted Vshojo’s CEO and it seemed very plausible that Vshojo was in the wrong but it’s just impossible to accurately tell since he doesn’t say much probably because it’s better to remain silent until court and we don’t get the full picture until the contract is revealed. If anything kson acted out very demanding and arrogant and termating your contract or hanging out the CEO directly on stream could also be a tactic to gain more people on your side even if you are wrong.

>>102639985
Mr Vshojo staff, instead of running defense here, I'd suggest fleeing the USA ASAP or the next time you'll be posting will be from jail

>>102640813
ehh
the idea that all of the vtubers involved were actually paid regularly, but all simultaneously decided to blow the company up, and also colluded with a bunch of indies and artists to collaborate with their plan to lie about payments to blow the company up is both incredibly unlikely and also lacks any clear motive. At best the bigger members will get a quick cash influx of subs and a couple extra watchers for the near future, but many of the smaller members are absolutely going to collapse without the corporate structure supporting them. and all of this just to get slam dunked in court once their obvious lies were revealed?

>>102640813
>Ok…so we literally are just going off the “good faith” of vtuber.
I realize you're desperate for your entertainment but I guarantee you every single one of their lawyers are telling these girls to shut the fuck up and not say anything to their audience because this is a very serious matter. You're not going to get any evidence until VShojo shuts down due to bankruptcy or after the inevitable legal battle.

>>102640305
Which is illegal and can be shutdown with Anti-SLAPP motions, afaik

>>102640921
Many such cases of conspiring against the hand that feeds.

>>102640339
Yeah, hence they're all opening up now after Ironmouse opened the floodgates. But it explains why everyone kept silent when things were still fucked behind the scenes - being the one in all the headlines as breaking NDA is a bad idea - Ironmouse is the one with enough clout, sympathy and money to do it unscathed, vs, e.g. Zen.

this drama is hilarious because i don't trust ironmouse or a vtuber corpo. whoever comes out losing or winning, it's just gonna be funny.

>>102641045
And still the women can’t stfu. Anyways I realize there is no more to talk about until more information comes out so bye bye. Thank you for the insight! I still love you guys even if you are a bit retarded.

Why the fuck do people still listen to this clown. The only way that could matter is if he committed crimes. In which case, yeah, of course leaving the company doesn't undo the crimes you did.
But so long as there isn't any evidence he committed crimes (and we have seen none whatsover), the corporate veil will 100% protect him and that clown is just spouting sensationalist bullshit for attention.

>>102640112
i see this get mentioned all the time but not once has anyone provided proof

>>102641253
people were leaving FTX months before its collapse. they knew the crypto exchange was bankrupt. could be similar here

>>102641070
Its also that "they are behind on payments, but still trying to make payments, but thats not good enough" is much harder to go public with compared to the PR slam dunk that is the charity money. Even now people are trying to twist kson's "you were making money, but you didnt pay me" as greed, while mouse complaints are angled as generosity. People whose issues were personal left the company quietly, mouse having the leverage to go public was less her numbers and more the situation she was in with the mismanaged IDF funds.

>>102639087
>He fled to Thailand to escape his crimes
US has extradition treaty with Thailand, retard. If he's really found guilty. US can ask Thailand to arrest him and bring him back

>>102637837
>they couldn't tell anyone about any illegal activities done by vshojo
that's not how California or American law works. Have you literally never worked a job before?

>>102639618
>thats not upper level and didnt directly do anything illegal be on the hook for anything?
he was a cofounder

>>102641482
Unless a a Cambodian artillery she finds him first

>>102641697
>Unless a Cambodian artillery shell finds him first
I'm drunk

>>102639261
>>102637778 (OP)
>Money can be clawed back from both employees and contractors
In this case the vtubers were also victims though. The talents were stolen from, they didn't get their cuts. If anything the ex-vshojo vtubers will be one of the parties asking for compensation.

>>102637778 (OP)
>dark rrat: not just the staff, but the vtubers might be in trouble too depending on what they know and what they did.
Nah they are just contractors under the company not employees. They are safe.

>>102642087
>They are safe.
not when it comes to fraud, if any.

>>102641673
You are right, but my post referred to the vtubers and middle to lower staff, not the fleeing COO. I think COO and CEO are in dire need of some serious lawyers, but I dont think the others are in trouble.

I can't wait for Ironmouse to get exposed and see her heckin wholesome image torn down

>>102642107
it depends on if the vtubers were involved in any capacity in whatever went criminally wrong here. even janitor might need a lawyer if they were involved. dark times ahead for all vshojo talents
>>102642122
what do you think can happen with her besides getting legally doxxed in court filings?

>>102642103
nta
but how do you mean? I think unless vtubers were in a postition to make financial decisions along the lines of where money should go, they have no reason to worry about this.

>>102642152
She was cooking books and skimming from the top and rug-pulled when it it looked like she was about to get caught and put all the blame on the company

>>102642160
if they knew what was happening and were recruiting more members into the ponzi scheme, then yes they can be fucked. also if they got preferential treatment over others in payment terms. also i don't think all the vshojo girls were only involved in the capacity of mere artists. some were likely deeply involved.

>>102637837
lol no

>>102642152
Probably won't be doxxed at all, if everything is set up right, it will only refer to some company that owns her assets with her lawyer making the filings.

>>102642185
kek. can you imagine if bankruptcy investigation finds out money spent on viewbots and fake subs/donos for le biggest vtuber on platform??

>>102637778 (OP)
where is the money froot?

>>102642228
is that even possible? i mean true doxx invulnerability. she joined vshojo for that, if she could have it on her own, she might have done it already. time will tell.

>>102639886
That anon is likely a /pol/tard or Phase adjacent to be saying that. Even the Lawyer admitted he is always asking other lawyers about this stuff. For Doki he was always asking his JP lawyers friends and for Vshojo he is asking the California ones. So it's rarely LM's take.

When Mint was visiting Cover studios for FWMC and Kiara, do you think she disclosed she was a vshojo employee, personal friend of CEO Gunrun, and leading a soon to debut corporate idol group? Is this a form of tactical espionage action?

>>102638777
hes an esquire, so it means he's still actually a legal practicing lawyer, just living in other countries. probably most of his work is working with companies that want to enter business in the US

>>102642185
>She was cooking books and skimming from the top
Ahh yes, chief finances officer ironmouse. The trusted accounting team leader with deep access to the company accounts to be able to edit values in receivables and payables.

>>102642270
It is entirely possible to hide yourself behind a corporate identity when filing a lawsuit, but if your name is on the books of a company your are suing it may end up being revealed in the course of the suit. Also there are plenty of flesh streamers that have obscured their identities through corporate filings. In the united states you don't have to provide an identity when setting up a company, you just need an address, and if you have a po box, that address won't reveal the owner's identity. Even in the case of someone watching the location of a po box, it may not reveal anything, because you can just have all mail sent to it forwarded elsewhere, so the box itself remains untouched.

The main reason to not do this stuff, for streamers and other self employed individuals, is that the tax stuff is complicated and hard. Also that they don't want to hire a company to do the taxes for them.

>Mowtendoo doing damage control itt
also pic related

>>102642691
explain that pic

>>102639973
>how do you know any of the money paid to any of the talents or staff came from the charity money?
Money is fungible. The company committed charity fraud and the company paid its employees.

>>102642724
someone posted that screenshot in /vsj+/ and immediately deleted it. look at the avatar near "Post your reply"

>>102642724
The display picture of the person who took the screenshot is in the reply box. The screenshot was posted direct to /vsj+/.

>>102642777
>and the company paid its employees.

LOL. They didn't. The JP CEO admited on stream knowing they didn't pay their talents and the knows they have the money to do so. Said it all on KSON's stream.

That's enough proof the law needs to arrest him and Gunrun.

>>102642847
No, what the JP CEO admitted is actually very clever. He said the money is there but he wasn't allowed to pay anyone. He's pushing 100% of the blame to the NA branch, saying they took and distributed all the money. This allows him to claim he thought everything was fine (the money was there) while absolving him of all responsibility for money handling (NA did all that).

>>102642847
>JP CEO
he is a glorified branch manager. not a "CEO"

>>102642847
The talents aren't employees, they are contractors. Essentially they are one-woman businesses that worked with Vshojo, they got stiffed. So it's a matter of unpaid invoices and breach of contract, not lost wages to be prosecuted over as far as we know. For the charity funds, it might sound like utter cope, but usually restricted funds such as charity pledges would go into an escrow account that wouldn't be touched at all by the staff and handled by an escrow agent, similar to how to put a down payment for a mortgage. Of course if they were absolute dumbasses and mixed all these funds into one bank account...yeah bad times.

>>102643323
>mixed all these funds into one bank account
dude they literally wanted the vtubers to route all their revenue through vshojo's bank accounts so they could fake boost their "revenue". you think they didn't mix the charity money?

>>102637778 (OP)
>bankruptcy creditors can and will go after people that left vshojo before the shitshow
@grok what is LLC

>>102643417
what do you think a LLC is retard?

>>102637778 (OP)
>Watching actual grifter

>>102640246
NDA is basically a guarantee for other companies. If someone breaks NDA, other companies will see that in their records and will be less likely to hire them.

>>102637778 (OP)
Who cares what chud mindset says

>>102643410
Well that wouldn't be classified as revenue. Let's take an example with Real Estate. The Real Estate agent works for the Real Estate Broker. A house closes and the agent's fee is 3%. The bank pays the brokerage first, not the individual agents. If it's a $9,000 fee, then brokerage isn't going to recognize $9,000 in revenue when the payment hits the bank account, instead it takes its cut $3,000 while the agent receives $6,000. The agency then recognizes the $3,000 in revenue. They never 'earned' the other $6,000 in revenue, that was the agents work. This is because brokerage is working as an agency rather than a principal. Any accounting firm worth their salt would immediately raise their red flags if Vshojo actually tried to claim all the chuubas earnings as their own because they simply routed the payments through their bank account.

As for the charity, it's an ideal, but yeah the money is probably gone. But it would be pretty funny if it turns out it was just sitting in an escrow account waiting to be dispersed.

>>102637778 (OP)
VShojo fucked themselves by registering in California which has good laws about consumer protection. Gunrun is absolutely fucked and will be spending time at Club Fed taking the D from Big Tyrone in the showers if the government go after him.

Doesn't NDA only works if corpo has more than enough money to sue you to oblivion?

>>102642185
>She was cooking the books
Damn, people here will really just make up the wildest shit to try and hate on a vtuber

>>102643755
>Any accounting firm worth their salt would immediately raise their red flags
it's a california new age tech company. much bigger frauds have happened than mere millions

>>102639244
someone was being paid, we are talking of millions of $ here

>>102643502
>grifter
why you retards call literally everybody that?
you dont like him, call him a cunt or a chud or what ever

>>102644149
Both can be true

>>102637837
NDA goes null and void when it comes to criminal investigation. Same with bankruptcy. What are you going to do the workers who speak about you not paying them and not following the job contract? Fire them? So thats unlawful job termination on top of all the other accusations.

>>102640214
>then the money from the paid talents will be clawbacked.
Not how that works. If the company isn't paying half its workforce, that doesn't mean the law is now going to punish the portion of the workforce who got their agreed upon payments on time, that silly. If a failing restaurant doesn't pay its waiters, that doesn't mean the court is going to order the chefs to foot the bill.

>>102643417
is vshojo even an llc company?
and even if they have debt protection, it wont save your ass from illegal acts, does it even have any debts or was the money literally stolen and on someones back account?
i mean if nobody knew about it, it seems its not a matter of spending's surpassing their revenue, but that something else went down

>>102644198
>>102642210
>>102641650
>>102640709
Sorry, but even Veibae confirmed they can't say a bad thing.
https://x.com/Veibae/status/1947686626328502399

>>102637778 (OP)
kson....

>>102644274
They can, but better not risk it if theres court proceedings on the horizon. Generally keep your mouth shut until the court stuff is over. Because if you don't, Vshojo's attourney's will absolutely fish for the tiniest slip-up you made and work it against you when you're trying to get your money from them.

>>102644061
This makes all the more curious to see what their accounting system is like.

>>102637837
>Embezzle funds, launder money, tax evade, steal from charity, grand theft auto, torture and kill dozens of homeless people in my basement, blow up a puppy orphanage, and double dip my chips at the office parties
>My employees are completely and utterly powerless to top me because I had them sign a piece of paper beforehand pinky promising not to tattle on me
Heh... it's almost TOO easy >:)

>>102644456
According to german orca Vshojos own negotiator was struggling to pay attention to anything when they were negotiating a deal with their lawyers present. So highly likely the whole company was run by a bunch of lazy unqualified californian retards like how most things in California are run. Nothing sparks more confidence in a management company than a female company representative that doesn't understand the details of contract negotiations and have to be repeated basic terms to her multiple times.

>>102644274
Saying negative things about your employer, and reporting their illegal practices to the relevant government bodies are not the same thing
No shit they wont just go online and say what they were up to, thats an entirely different conversation.

>>102640054
So ironmouse is what the NDA hinged on? She IS the company and has all the power, yes?

>>102644794
anon, I'm not interested in shy's comments, I'm not even interested about the doofuses who ran the company to the ground. I wanna see how disastrous that QuickBooks Online chart of accounts is. How batshit insane their 3-part comparative financial statements is, and the holy grail, their financial forecasts and projections and what they used to justify them.

>>102644988
NDA doesn't cover the company doing either criminal stuff, or not honoring the terms of its own contract. If a company doesn't pay you even when the contract says its supposed to, then NDA doesn't really apply either. It was the company who broke the contract terms first. If they try to sue Ironmouse for breaking NDA, Ironmouse can sue them right back for delayed payments and her attourney can ask how is it that the company can afford to have a costly lawsuit but somehow doesn't have the money to pay its employers.

>>102637837
dumbass, NDA doesn't apply to illegal activities, those always take precedent.

>>102645033
Yeah but that was just an example of general unprofessionalism and incompetence as per witnessed by her when they tried to negotiate a deal and it fell apart. I don't know how California law goes and are bankrupt companies required to show their bookings and revenue in some public website or not. Heres hoping they have to.

Fun fact: You can snitch out Vshoujo to the IRS.
Form 3949-A is a general form for reporting tax fraud. Anyone can submit this, you don't have to be involved with the company in any way.
If you ARE involved with Vshoujo and actuall know something, the IRS will reward you dor snitching: Fill out and submit Form 211.

>>102645170
Bankruptcy proceedings are public knowledge, it's how we learned about FTX approving expenses with Slack emojis. Though some PII will probably be redacted if the chuuba's lawyers are competent.

>>102638882
>some stupid 20 year old anime girl knows better than lawyers!
DYRBI? Stupid fuck

>>102644274
Veibei is dumber then a barrel is rocks lmao

>>102645375
>dumber then a barrel is rocks

>>102645329
Yes

I'm not an american, so how bad things will go with the feds since the corpo fucked with a charity organization?

>>102645418
Feds are totally corrupt now so that's really an unknown

>>102645476
>now

>>102645490
Yes

>>102637778 (OP)
Unironically, I want to see MowtenDoo getting BTFO.

>>102645418
Probably just bankruptcy proceedings, with some of the money required to be sent to the charity. Construction industry has this type of shit happen all the time and rarely anyone goes to prison. Company owner just goes through bankruptcy, gets knee deep in debt trying to pay what court ordered to pay, then starts another scam company where he repeats the whole thing again.

>>102637837
3rd world hands typed this post

>>102645418
best case sceanrio: he gets gangbanged by all the vshojo talents before being ripped apart on live TV.
worst case scenario: 20 years for wire fraud.
likely case: gets a fine and fucks off.

>>102645698
>Construction industry has this type of shit happen all the time and rarely anyone goes to prison.
because the construction guys are mobbed up. you think someone that runs a fucking vtuber corpo will have that kind of pull?

>>102645770
>likely case: gets a fine and fucks off.
highly unlikely case given that vshojo had investors that put in 11M dollars just had the value of their equity drop to 0 due to allegations of fraud.
they might want blood

>>102646432
>because the construction guys are mobbed up.
Mobs ran scams with worker unions back in the day, not with company owners.

>>102639432
>>102639261
>employees
American law is massively retarded if true.

>>102646488
>equity drop to 0 due to allegations of fraud.
Bagholders, that's how this game plays. They ain't getting shit.

>>102637778 (OP)
>the underage sex tourist has weighed in
Oh boy, it's over for them!
fr tho, they were already fucked. mouse's boneitis will shield her indefinitely, but I hope the others are at least held accountable for supporting an almost niji-tier fuckup

>>102637837
>They're all innocent, the NDA closed their mouths shut, and they couldn't tell anyone about any illegal activities done by vshojo.
The NDA doesn't override actual laws and management is legally obligated to report fraud regardless of whatever the NDA might say. We aren't quite at the dyspotian level in which an NDA can be used to shield illegal activities.

>>102644149
LM literally is. He isnt a fan of vtubers but still comes around and sticks his nose into the drama. Then he acts as if he knows everything cause "trust me bro im a lawyer".

>>102637778 (OP)
legal mindset is the epitome of an audience-captured shill
I remember his take on the dokibird stuff was essentially "she didn't breach her contract at all and ACTUALLY she can probably sue Nijii for a bajillion dollars for what they said"
he unthinkingly shits out whatever opinion the groupthink wants, his legal analysis is worthless. do not support this retarded grifter

>>102648075
Well yeah he's a chud

>>102637778 (OP)
Yeah, I'm sure going after popular streamers who were also victims will play so well with the voters that they'll be salivating over the prospect of prosecuting them.
Unless they have a slam dunk case like messages between gunrun and specific talents conspiring to screw over other talents to get their own share, no one in their right mind would prosecute the apparent victims.

>>102645279
Oh cool, you do know what the IRS is of course

>>102638724
will the lawyer finally be revealed once and for all for all to see without any more doubts?

>>102644274
Allow Me.
>Say out of your mouth you got your second booster or you are finished in Vtubing.

It's cool how during the niji saga everyone believed this asshole and took his word as gospel but NOW he's a pedophile that pretends to be a lawyer. Very normal.

>>102648075
>his legal analysis is worthless
yes, random shitposters on /vt/ knows more about the law than a practicing lawyer who won cases against disney. you're so heckin right oomfie. how do people become like this?

Careful with that trendy trendy current word. Everywhere in real life since ever you can always count on hebes to Love cum.

>>102648075
>people seething about LM are niji sisters
kek. thanks for confirming

>>102649206
you understand he is a youtuber and has every incentive to say what his audience wants to hear, right? you understand other youtube lawyers often say the complete opposite of what he does?
do you really think his "dokibird can actually sue nijii for tons of money" take wasn't retarded?

feel free to listen to (and be mislead) by this shill. I personally trust him so little that if he says something I 100% agree with it makes me rethink whether I am right

>>102648287
>prosecutors will be scared of literal who ecelebs
these are nothing compared to the actual rich people in california. no DA is going to worry about backlash from ten gorillion third worlders.

>>102649658
>has every incentive to say what his audience wants to hear, right
is that why he says that johnny somali will only get 4-5 years in prison when his audience wants life sentence or 20 years in prison for him? he's not a monkey that dances to the tune of his audience

>>102649631
only low iq faggots like you are tribal about companies. normal non-retarded people don't tie their identity to/fight for billion dollar companies
"dokibird actually can sue them" was the most blatantly braindead take. it is clearly him just saying what his audience wants to hear, and he went semi-viral for saying that. he made thousands of dollars saying blatantly untrue shit, we call that shilling

>>102649744
I guarantee that take appeases the majority of his audience. only absolute psychopaths want a US citizen to be imprisoned for 20 years for what amounts to speech crimes.
I am sure random retards in his chat were calling for the literal execution of nijii executes.
you are implying that just because he isn't saying what the .1% most absolutely unhinged portion of his audience wants then he isn't an audience-captured shill
also there is a good chance johnny somali doesn't even spend 4-5 years in prison, and they just deporting him after a point

>>102649658
>do you really think his "dokibird can actually sue nijii for tons of money" take wasn't retarded?
no clue? i'm not a lawyer, nor am i informed on all the facts
>you understand other youtube lawyers often say the complete opposite of what he does?
okay... and? people are on the opposite sides of an argument in literally every argument ever? that doesn't mean anything lol

Pedo mindset is a retard like every youtube retard lawyer but what really grinds my gears is how nobody fucking states that these NDAs are likely totally invalid because Vshojo did not actually hold up their end of the contract

NDAs aren't something you just sign and you're bound to, to be bound to it, you have to get something out of it. Thats how contracts work.

The Vshojo talent got nothing, so they aren't bound.

>>102637778 (OP)
This dude doesn't even live in the US, he fled the country and has guides on how to sleep with children.

>>102638777
Yeah, he provides legal advice to passport bros going to SEA to fuck whores

>>102639698
> Once Vshojo files chapter 7 I bet there will be a mad rush to buy IPs to ironmouse and other vtubers so they can turn them into autonomous AI vtuber like neuro/Ani.
The business model means that since all the talents left, there is no IP to buy, since the talents can take it will them.

>>102638752
You also can't be criminally liable if you believed yourself to possibly be subject to retaliation or are otherwise intimidated, which it could be argued is part of the function of an NDA.

Is this how mouse's house of cards comes down

>>102638882
Is this a sarcasm or are you just a fucking retard?

>>102652071
Duress laws really only cover imminent threats of violence
You're allowed to break NDA to report criminal activity
there is zero chance of using a NDA as a defence and I'd love to see a single case where it has ever heppened

it's funny how hard this guy makea shojosisters seethe

>>102637778 (OP)
So is ironlungs going to prison or what?

>>102651151
>okay... and? people are on the opposite sides of an argument in literally every argument ever? that doesn't mean anything lol
you pretty much said "he is a layer so he is right". I am pointing out that other lawyers have contradicted him, so that isn't necessarily true

continue to believe the guy, thats fine. I am just saying that he rings every alarm bell for "grifter with no principles" that there is. I assure you I have no real side in this other than that I think legal mindset is a shill who shouldn't be taken seriously.

>>102637778 (OP)
It's gonna get ugly once it goes to court and make no mistake it will and some one is going to jail

>>102637932
That absolutely not how anything works at all

Are people actually defending legal fucking mindset Jesus fucking Christ hahahah

>>102653684
>I am pointing out that other lawyers have contradicted him, so that isn't necessarily true
you still don't understand how an argument works. give me some examples though and i'll happily check them out

>>102647345
nijisister detected

>>102654376
it would be proving a negative. go look up any lawyer's coverage of the dokibird stuff. I don't recall a single one other than LM saying "uhmm actually nijii's tweet was actionable slander and she can sue the fuck out of them"
no idea if other lawyers have commented on this recent thing

>>102638777
Yes he is an actual lawyer
Also while I'm not an actual lawyer myself (you need a law degree, can't just pass the bar where I'm from) there are certain legal topics I'm an expert in and so far whenever he talks about those he has been right

Regardless whenever a lawyer's answer isn't "it depends" whatever theya re saying should be taken with a grain of salt, there is a reason Adam Neumann managed to steal billions from WeWork, it's only embezzlement if you weren't smart enough to legally cover your ass before you stole the money kek

>>102654268
Only people left on the board are drama faggots and he is literally a grifting drama faggot.

>>102653238
nah its fine all the us agencies are under the control of professional child diddler and national traitor Donald J. Trump so as long as your part of the rich guy club and not a enemy of trump you can most likely buy your way out

>>102651323
NDAs become invalid when your start break actually laws. They aren't fucking magical and protect you from everything, so I don't get why anyone would even talk about them when the contracts would be invalid since they didn't keep up their end of the contract and also broke actual laws that also invalidates them.

>>102644741
>double dip my chips at the office parties
Death penalty

>>102656122
Did he stand in front of a judge and defend a client? If not he's not a lawyer.

>>102637778 (OP)
This guys great because he always affirms my preconceived notions, which I prefer in all my content creators.

>>102639698
>Once Vshojo files chapter 7 I bet there will be a mad rush to buy IPs to ironmouse and other vtubers so they can turn them into autonomous AI vtuber like neuro/Ani.
You typed all this and literally don't even have a clue about the topic

>>102658176
nigga he's licensed to practice law in florida. that makes him a lawyer, that's what it means. he doesn't just have a degree

>>102659993
He's not a lawyer because /vt/ doesn't like him.

>>102659993
>licensed to practice law in Florida
He hasn't been in a single case, fled the US after getting charged with crimes and lives in Thailand now. He is not a real lawyer if he has never actually acted as one. It's that simple

>>102660430
so until a lawyer steps foot into a courtroom they're not a lawyer, even though you have to be a lawyer to be allowed to do so in the first place? are you 12 years old? i get that you don't like him (i'm also not a fan), but that doesn't change the fact that he's a lawyer lol

>>102660430
man, LM really mindraped niji sisters. it's not even funny

>>102642691
I've heard stories of Mowtendoo and Gunrun using /vt/ as a barometer for some of their decisions
Can't believe it's true

>>102646488
Welcome to the world of venture capital
Bagholding and getting rugged are not new to these people, 11M is a drop in the bucket for VC funds

>>102660798
It's the equivalent of saying someone with a driving permit is a driver despite never driving a car before. Not only did he never step foot in a courtroom, he can't because he moved out of the country that he could have been a lawyer in to escape from the government hunting him down

It's like calling someone with a degree in architecture an architect because they have the qualifications to build something but they never have

>>102640363
>Pay your fucking employees before anyone else
I mean.. I bet they were, and paying themselves very well which is why they drained all their funds while not paying their contractors lol

>>102637778 (OP)
That would be a good thing. It was nothing but a den of rats. You saw this in how they all kept quiet, even Mint kept quiet because she thought she would get something out of it before this went down.
They all think they're shrewd business people and deserve everything bad coming their way.

>>102661107
>It's like calling someone with a degree in architecture an architect because they have the qualifications to build something but they never have
that is indeed how the world works, yes. congratulations, you finally get it

>>102661080
if they smell fraud, they are not going to let the money go off easily. it's not just a normal failing business.

>>102661362
Wrong, you fucking retard. Having a degree in architecture doesn't mean you're an architect until you start building something. Being able to practice law doesn't mean shit until you go to court and actually practice it. Pedo Mindset is a fraud

>>102661290
I feel bad of Mint, she just wants something like hololive.

>>102661441
>Having a degree in architecture doesn't mean you're an architect
NTA but yes it does, and you're a retard.

>>102649206
it's actually wild that this gets posted in a thread full of the most retarded takes on NDA and blame assignment possible
>b-b-b-but he's a nazi chud
retarded

>>102662594
No, it doesn't. A degree means jack shit until you actually use it. Same with having the ability to practice law but never actually doing it

>>102649206
>who won cases against Disney
Are you delusional? That literally never happened, he's been stuck in Thailand for the last six years after getting chased by the US government

>>102637837
I believe

>>102657031
Yeah these NDAs are not valid, i don't know why these retards are afraid.

Probably because their dumbfuck lawyers are like "Yeah you could open yourself to liability" but then didn't follow it up with "But they won't, get ready to dab"

the talent saying can't talk because NDA is just a lie, they can't talk because they've been advised by any half-decent lawyer not to say shit pending any litigation against the company

>>102664399
ok but listen you can't go and tell /vt/ or vt-fans that they aren't entitled to an explanation cause they're just a bunch of fucking randoms on the internet. What, you expect them to be alone with the rrats and nothing else?? those fucking bitches

>>102637778 (OP)
could we refrain from zoomerspeak?

>>102651512
Underaged whores*

>>102637778 (OP)
>Pedo mindset
Better go to ChatGPT for legal advise than hear opinions of this moron.

>>102664399
Shhhh

Why is no one talking about the fact that GEEGA FUCKING LIED? She spent 20+ minutes talking about how she left because she's a strong independent woman that didn't need no agency to do what she can do herself. She made this bullshit statement about leaving because she's such a girlboss while pretending everything in that company was fine. But when she saw that it was cool to shit on the company and talk about their corruption, she shifted and joined in. It would've been better if she just said nothing and kept her reasons vague because of NRA. Lying bitch, pretending that nothing was wrong. Fucking cowardly, and she has the audacity to try to get twitter after enabling their corruption, as if she didn't have a part to play.

>>102669112
Women are absolutely cowards when facing a force greater than themselves but once they realize they're safe from harm they become the loudest and most obnoxious bitches

>>102669112
relax faggot

>>102663056
>stuck in thailand
>literally goes to korea to watch somali get fucked by the court
why does this guy make you seethe so much

>>102669289
This

>>102669112
You know it's fine to hate Geega but you can both cope/declare that you're an independent girl boss that don't need no company while saving the trash talking for when the NDAs expire and/or the skeletons are already in the open. I really wonder if the antis honestly expect someone to possibly torch themselves for the sake of exposing a company. You would, yeah? For sure? Even if you only know part of the story and are under legal threat?

>>102669289
Not just women bro, it's hard in general to act brave and strong against an apparent titan in front of you, intimidation works for a reason.

I'd like to think that I would act well in a stressful situation like that but I haven't been in that situation to know for sure...

>women don't understand you dont get paid for a week is illegal which voids the nda.

literal girl mentality making them stay for a fucking year, this is why women were chaperoned everywhere.

>>102645543
Well now he's being accused of also being a sexpest and generally being a massive asshole. You might just get your wish here.

>>102670380
When's the last time he was seen in the USA?

>>102637778 (OP)
Mowtendoo how could you!
I loved these shittly little videos!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrQgCz_Hr2U

Now they're runied forever!

>>102640206
you mean the same merch companies that unironically dropped sponsorships with Niji just to seem moral in the public eye

>>102675172
Vshojo's implosion does not change the fact that shitting on Niji is always the morally right thing to do

>>102638777
He's a non practicing lawyer who fled the US to Asia because he had both subpoenas for unpaid credit card debt and charges for grooming kids. Now he helps passport bros love their ladyboy fantasies.

>>102637837
fpbp

>>102638777
More than /vt/ twitter and reddit, so yes.

>>102638777
Licensed corporate attorney last time checked.

>>102637778 (OP)
This man is a fucking hero. Imagine if he wasn't around during the Selen debacle? I know he'll do great work on this case two.

So THAT'S what Aster was cooking. He was cooking Vshojo's books.

>>102644274
speaking the truth isn't badmouthing
that said, i hate japs, even those born in mexico.

>>102644264
insolvency or bankruptcy?

They need to get Veibae to stop talking because she's making everyone else who left look bad lol

>>102640363
>TL:DR Pay your fucking employees
That's the irony. They're fear of corpos just lead to a more exploitative arrangement
>>102679393
the ratt reveal alone was worth it

>>102679393
Nah let her fucking COOK

>>102637778 (OP)
>Some pedo from xitter
Why anyone should care about his opinions?

>>102644124
GunRun was paid handsomely, and now he gunrun to the nearest country that doesn’t have an extradition treaty with the US

>>102675612
>charges
Surely you're not a butthurt anti talking about something that doesn't exist, right?
I'm not denying the passport bro vibes, and I have no opinion on the credit card thing, but if he was charged with anything it would have been plastered all over the internet by now.
Maybe the jannies delete mentions of it because slandering a lawyer isn't a great idea.

>>102679393
>They need to get Veibae to stop talking because she's making everyone else who left look bad lol
they don't exactly have any way of making that happen lmao

>>102637778 (OP)
>tfw kson gets extradited to the US

>>102642358
kinda based not gonna lie

>>102637778 (OP)
Not surprised everything went to shit when the CTO writes like this. Jesus christ.

So where does the money for licensed unreleased good go now?

>>102679393
You mean everyone who stayed until it blew up, right?

>>102680866
>something that doesn't exist
Court records are public
>passport bro vibes
His passport bro channel is public
>if he was charged with anything it would have been plastered all over the internet by now.
>Jannies
Paid shills

What's the chances of everyone finally learning Zen is a man? Also, possibility of seeing Mouse's horrific human form?

>>102684072
in his kson interview, the JP CEO said he was working on moving all the contracts for sponsorships and licensed merchandise from VShojo JP to the talents directly before the company ceases to exist and he loses control of them

for the US talent who knows, probably will go to the bankruptcy estate to pay debt

>>102637778 (OP)
why does vt seethe so much about legal mindset? He's irrelevant. The most attention he got was with Idol at the end of 2023. Then everything went down in flames. Stop seething, stop paying attention to him?

>>102643817
nah, the government doesn't care about retarded 2D anime women.
Does Gunrun have actual creditors that feel defrauded? Probably not.

>>102637837
You'd have to actually enforce the NDA.
Good luck suing 10 or so people at the same time and survive the legal stall with a bankrupt company in debt up the ass.

>>102639177
You'd have to continously pay the lawyer for the duration of the trial and actually win the lawsuit at the end. Lawyers can also stall proceedings for a very long time, often years, draining the pockets of the victims.

And in this case Gunrun is waaaaaaaaay more poor than each individual talent, let alone all of them and their whalebase

>>102638777
He passed the BAR and practices law and I think some international law stuff too.

>>102648075
That's not what he said at all, though.

>>102639698
>mad rush to buy IPs to ironmouse and other vtubers so they can turn them into autonomous AI vtuber like neuro/Ani.

THE ONE THING VSHOJO WAS FAMOUS FOR!
THEY DON'T OWN THE VTUBERS IPS!

>>102651435
this is false

>>102674942
Starting a vtuber company is like touching Chris Chan's Medallion...

>>102685640
Nah it's true

>>102686120
MTD how do you plan on offing yourself?

>>102686383
LM, you literally fled america to go to Thailand and then Korea to avoid paying debt. You wrote guides on how to pick up underaged women in foreign countries. You don't even actively practice us law and when you did, you were a property attorney in FL.
Instead of trying to pretend like you're not a pedophile grifter lurking on a Mongolian basket weaving form, and that everyone who calls you out is MTD, why don't you just do everyone a favor and kill yourself?

>>102661511
Dumb bitch should have kept applying then

They did have all of their New World Order activities completely reliant on 4chan didn't they. My gut told me, go to the VShojo thread, they're up to something struggle sessiony in there, one look at the cover.
And all those Wondrous years of tearing the leftist heads off of MTD and GR and janny probably Melody, Sora went Up and Up without one chat from me. The End.

>>102688195
It was surreal because the posters were always nice when there was collabs and stuff so the vitriol was clearly coming from the company staff

>>102684716
Genuinely Zero.
We can't have this one, m8.

>>102679393
qdr?

>>102684858
>Telling (In denial) terminally ill online retards "to stop seething, stop paying attention to him".

>>102679393
It's because of the recent pedo accusation aimed at gunrun?