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>>102640439 (OP)
Cute!

Dead thread
Dead board
Dead hobby

There is literally a black penis on the log

>>102640040
Nijisanji started to copy Holo by trying idol shit. If the company still trying to pretend they are number 1 steps so low to the point of copying their main competitor, after years of saying we are not idols you just know that not only you changed the game, you are the game.

>>102640500
Fitting for this board

>>102640482
Nimi destroyed the board

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking
>https://vt.poi.cat/

Hololive sites
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://holo-spotify-stats.jirikunes.eu/

Twitch sites
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/
>https://streamscharts.com/

>>102640482
Spbp

>>102640439 (OP)
https://files.catbox.moe/szn0jp.mp4

>>102640462
>Cuck!
Ftfy

>>102640541
TOTAL NIMI VICTORY

>>102640543
It's a male!

>>102640482
Dead Phaseconnect you mean?

Honestly numbers are pretty much down across the board for ENs. Western vtubing is over. Chuubas should start transitioning into fleshies.

>>102640562
actual thread
>>102640559
>deleting on stream clip with no dox or anything falling under the board's rules
kek

>>102640439 (OP)
>The dude marrying her gets to experience the exclusive NSFW Nimi ASMR
How is that any fair?

>>102640627
ASMR in which the other mouse will do the squeaky noise

>>102640627
Life isn't fair....

Chuuba concept to debut:
>Recently divorced chuuba.

>Vshojo collapsed
>Indie Avengers imploded and went full retard
Great times to be a Holochad right now

>>102640665
It's prolly happening right now lol

>95% of major indie vtubers get ripped off and scammed and make horrible decisions and join black corpos and lose everything and don't get paid for over a year thinking it's OK and sign horrendous contracts and get ripped off on merch and on and on
Large indies make fucking horrible business decisions, I don't want to believe this is a woman thing but come the fuck on

>>102640622
>ban evasion

>>102640668
They still never learn to never challenge holoGods

>>102640679
Acts of desperation are an unfortunate reality of the Idol industry.

>>102640679
Doesnt this kind of shit happen to most youtubers and streamers in general its really not that rare to find some 3view getting fucked over

can i call her mommy now?

>>102640679
>They're mostly women
Woah who could have seen that coming

i understand why Nimi doesn't want to do any asmr anymore... she wouldn't want (((someone))) to interrupt...

Manifesting Saba karaoke.

>>102640718
in 9months maybe

>>102640731

>>102640718
only if you're willing to suck her daddy's cock

towa...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJZKohHU8mU
Doob and Nimi barely know each other lol

>>102640779
Indies are so strong

>>102640668
>Indie Avengers imploded and went full retard
It's just nimi

>>102640789
To this day it makes e angry that Hololive let them just walk out the door.

>>102640786
Welp Doob is close to Saba obviously and also close to Kronii lol as the later worked with her on her cover, i wonder if Kronii told her stuff about the vegan one

>>102640679
I mean vshojo employees are not large indies ...well I guess they are now, but you get what I mean

>>102640439 (OP)
Stop being a cuck come here ...
>>102640562

>>102640790
Nimi admitted it but we already know Saba had the same reason for leaving

>>102640779
>>102640836
>Ironcuck sub 30k with vshojo imploding
Indies keep getting weaker...

From yuri (kissing ame) to cuckshit (new lore)
Really hate this anime

>>102640839
I dont know why you think kronii would be a vindictive whore, seems like she would want to put it behind her if anything

>>102640881
Rightfully shitting on some dumb cunt isn't being a vindicative whore, nigger

>>102640861

>>102640562
better bread!!!

>>102640907
>abloo bloo bloo
Only one here seething is (You) faggot

>>102640870
30k on twitch is like 300k on yt

https://youtu.be/uiM2OE1FbII?t=115
>I want to make sure that what I'm doing now is satisfying to me
>but I also want it to be sustainable long term
>I want something sustainable long term

>>102640846
They were all large indies or ex-corpo before joining vshojo, that's literally vshojo's entire gimmick.
i mean not the JP ones but literally who the fuck are they, nobody knows and now nobody ever will know, I mean the western ones.

>>102640902
Me on top

>>102640956
This thumbnail style just reminds me of the rainbow retirement retard

>>102640907
>>102640931
>when the laughter stops

>>102640956
My cum is sustainable enough for her

>>102640942
Damn the idea that Kronii might have been warning Ame to keep her distances from Nimi really irks you huh

>>102640914
How deep in the copium are you? "Gura was waging a shadow war against Yagoo and the homos and thats why she never streamed" tier?

>>102640946
30k on twitch is like 30 viewers on YT.

>>102640988
Your mental illness has no bearing on kronii herself, schizo out as much as you want /here/

>Another one bite the dust
Bummer desune~

>>102641074
Yagoo is unmatched!

>>102640562
If you aren't a cuck come here else stay with cucklings

>>102641133

>>102641133
>desperate
Kek

>>102640718
In 9 months

Why did you let Nimi win

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haP20sHlBf8
Why would they go and do that?

Since when was Koyori a part of the PekoMarine clique?

>>102641155
so do shiori got a booty or what?

>>102641018
cope with your Indian engine

>>102641245
she do.

>>102641228
Huh that is weird

>>102641228
Since when? DEV_IS still use senpai during the last 7 days. Same with gen 3-4. Gen 0-2 get away with not using it because their debut dates were a bit closer to each other.

>>102641257
>DO NOT MAKE FUN OF THE TWITCH SAAR DO NOT SAAR
Daily reminder the gunrun was a co founder.

>>102641018
Trvth nvke

>>102641299
No he wasn't.

>>102641299
Have they found him yet or is he still hiding?

>>102641231
A long time now?
PekoMarine clique is Koyori, AZKi and the newest addition: Vivi

CUck thread has more post than hololive. Yeah western vtubing is cooked or SEA is full of cucks

>>102641299
he was a regular employee, saar

>>102641347
Is anyone even looking? Nobody who wants to find him has the money to track him down. Because he never paid them.

>>102641278
maybe Kiara is talkin out her ass lol

I have a feeling by Christmas time all the indie avengers fan are going to be drowning their sorrows wondering where it all went wrong while the Holochads are enjoying the karaoke relay

jwu, kekkkkkkkaaarrrooooO!O!O!OO!O! sisters wat is te run dow

>>102641364
kek he fleeced those idiots good

>>102641360
>p-pwease post in my thwead im so lonely
no :3

Still not watching phase
Still supporting Nimi

>>102641381
Hololive is next. Holoearth was more expensive than vshojo's dumb parties.

>>102641416
I'll watch Hololive and laugh at you cucks

>>102641416

>>102641299
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9plb8diJy0c
Why cant the JPs just take control they actually had their shit somewhat together.

>>102641048
Cope all you want Kronii is never following your whore

>>102641447
Is the game Kanata playing fun?

>>102641486
>had their shit together
Do you really believe that?

Indie cuckolder status??

>>102641426
yeah unlike vshojo we can see holo's financials however and they're doing fine. unless they secretly owe the yakuza billions or something they can't implode like the Titan sub like vshojo did.

>>102641497
Their only mistake was allowing en full control of the money.

>>102641486
Take control of what? A damaged brand that has no assets and no funding? Why would they want that? Just to save the name?

>>102641512
Gorilla lose to human...

>>102641530
That CEO talk really did not convince me they had anything together, seemed more like the typical jap business speak which means things were pretty grim

I'm out of the loop of the marriage thing. Is it still Eddie or a new one? Funny how the cuckling name was true the whole time.

>>102641542
I guess you're right a name change wouldnt work at that point.

>>102641576
Kanata is not embracing her gorilla soul...

So which corpo is next to blow up massively?
Gotta be Brave, right? They're just as sus as Vshojo was, more sus even.

>>102641589
Phase

>>102641589
phase is due

>>102641589
There's a lot of smoke around Phase right now.

>>102641589
phase , niji en or holoen

>>102641589
All these small corps are on a timer. They can't keep up with the costs of thier slave talents

>>102641620
I could see nijien collapsing entirely

But damn, Vshojo was about to be something this year if they didn't crash out.

Kanata is losing... please send her you energy!!!

>>102641636
OOF
Minto....

>>102641636
Do you think there are holomems under contract with cover behind the scenes but never had the chance to debut?

>>102641636
>We're losing money for every vtuber we have, but we'll make it up in volume!
They needed to fix their business model first before spamming more talents.

>>102641653

>>102641636
No they weren't. None of that would pan out since then weren't paying anybody. This level of financial mismanagement means the company never had any future. It was all built on lies.

>>102641530
If they "had everything together", they'd have contacted the main EN branch and communicated with their unpaid talents after 2-3 months without getting any money. They are either really dumb / incompetent or just as guilty. Did that CEO work without pay for almost a year like Kson did, too?

>>102641659
Didn't that happen to IRyS's gen or was she the only one lol

>>102641636
>idol gen
lmao. In the end everything leads to idols.

>>102641687
He said they slashed his pay but didn't specify when kek

>>102641670
\(-.o)/

>>102641589
>>102641589
Brave always seems a possibility with their spending.
Still VSPO probably actually makes money

>>102641675
they started having financial issues just a year ago. You don't have to change the narrative to align with your delusions

>>102641670
he want numbers

>>102641589
Brave has tons of money. I'm thinking Phase is next

>>102641694
There was no IRyS's gen. She was the only one in a VSinger project like how they initially planned AZKi to be (before Sui got in in the last moment)

This gorilla game is surprising hard... It gem for streamer

>>102641659
We might never know until cover implodes and the NDAs ar null

>>102641257
Reminder half your audience is Indian

>>102641727
Anon, when you literally can't pay anyone isn't when the financial issues start. That's usually when things come crashing down. The issues begin long before you run out of money.

>>102641736
ah ok I keep forgetting.

>>102641767
I find it hard to believe that none of these bitches knew Vsho's shit was fucked

Unironically, Vshojo would have been saved financially if they actually took a cut from their millionaire talents donos and subs. I get the talent freedom of having an IP is still better than what Anycolor, Phase and Cover are offering but vshojo went too far left.

Now, it looks like Koshien is tomorrow already. The "day before" stream is underperforming HARD in relation to 2022 and 2023. Here is for the other years
>peak :: date :: title :: nameEn :: video_id
>65125 :: 2021-08-12 :: にじさんじ甲子園2021 大会直前!前日特番【 #にじさんじ甲子園 】 :: Nijisanji :: rX6ODupqCwM
>101488 :: 2022-08-11 :: にじさんじ甲子園2022 大会直前!前日特番【 #にじさんじ甲子園 】 :: Nijisanji :: zE9WP1N12yM
>94194 :: 2023-08-10 :: にじさんじ甲子園2023 大会直前!前日特番【 #にじ甲2023 】 :: Nijisanji :: RGf2CS7c0aE
>64968 :: 2024-08-09 :: にじさんじ甲子園2024 大会直前!前日特番【 #にじ甲2024 】 :: Nijisanji :: qyf1J0oT1yk

It's doing better than last year's one but last year was in itself another massive underperformance.
Based on the performance of the streams themselves and everything other than the draft, it looks like it won't be beating the numbers for 2022 and 2023.

With that said, nobody can really say anything about Niji magic numbers so, yeah, let's see how it goes tomorrow.

>>102641817
LOL Nijikeks

>>102641800
You wouldn't notice your 200k yearly payment from spnsors and merch is missing when you're getting paid 800k a year in donos, subs, fanboxn memberships etc.... Simply put, they were still getting mad rich but the company wasn't.

>>102641816
They'd be alive with a generous 10% cut, the 0 is a pipe dream

DORYAAAAA 100 KILL

>>102641816
>I get the talent freedom of having an IP is still better
After Cyberlive crashed and burned in the exact same sense, PRISM crashed and burned in the exact same sense, Idol crashed and burned more or iess in the exact same sense it's starting to look like this is becoming
>REAL TALENT FREEDOM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED
It is patently NOT possible to manage a vtuber company (or any company) from the perspective of the consumer of the product
>what if the girls had everything they want and the company took nothing and provided everything?
That's not sustainable and it will always end up in the same way.

Any vtuber can ALREADY own their own IP, they don't need a company for that. Being in a company and indie at the same time is a fool's errand, only the silliest girl would think that's how it works
>looking at kson here

>>102641765
cope and seethe

>>102641817
Koshien numbers have been all over the place this year right? Like very erratic?

MARINE CUTE

Kanata is attaining her Gorilla nirvana by experiment on human

>>102641890
Down across the line except for the draft, record high (beating last year's record high).
Deron managed to have several sub 10k streams, for instance.

>>102641902
Ape got hands

She attain it

>>102641892
26K DORYAAA

>>102641903
Yeah record high opener into some record low general viewership, is pretty weird.
But as you said, who knows with Niji magic numbers

>>102641589
the answer might literally just be none. the biggest splashes in recent chuuba history are just ex-holos. saba's big hit status was just a rehash of the Myth super-fame of yore.

it felt a few years like idol had a shot at making it big since they had Rin etc blow up strangely-largely for just a rando small corpo girl, but god damn was that all squandered. I don't think phase will grow just by existing. it's been 5 years, a lot of ideas on what a vtuber can or should be, what is considered fresh content or not, have come and gone and been tried.

even girls with fucking immensely appealing personalities+voices like pillow aren't actually-growing much at fucking all. the whole scene is stagnant and has been for a little while already, given the pretty meh tepid reception to Justice last year. like why the fuck do you think vshojo was running on empty for like a year before finally collapsing this week? they didn't run out of money yesterday and had been trying wait out this boring period for a year and didn't figure out a way to motivate and excite people to really help dig them out of their hole. so they died in it.

it's hard to believe there will unironically be a next big thing anytime soon.

Kanata start viewing all human as gorilla...she is coping

>>102642004
kek

>>102641995
also now I realize I misread this question because 'blow up massively' sounds like a positive expansion. should have said 'who is next to collapse'

Hololive is next.

>>102641636
>there are still two unrevealed members

MARINE 27K DORYAAAA

100 kill again DORYAAAAA

Kanata, you shouldn't get addicted to it...

>>102641995
Seems like western vtubing is tapped out.

>>102641995
Justice is an EU gen so it is doomed to fail. EN5 is the make or break moment. If they do worse than Justice then vtubing in the west is truly over

>>102642169
A grim prospect.

>>102642169
>Justice is an EU gen

>>102642188
They aren't?

>>102641977
Same reason holo debuts nowadays have high debut numbers into low normal viewership. Tourists aren't coming for daily streams.

>>102642169
Wasn't the lack of potential talent the main reason why they look into eu market? Most en girl want to join phase or vshojo last 2 year

>>102641816
Vshojo had a rock and a hard place.
>only recruit star talent who already are popular -> You can't take much from them because they don't need you unless the deal is killer.
Hololive takes 2views and makes 4 and sometimes 5views. It's not hypothetical, they've done it many times. Vshojo takes 4views and makes 4views. They can't compete, they don't have enough to offer so they can't take enough of a cut to live on. They just didn't have enough value-add to justify it.

>>102642221
Nah, last year Koshien's FINALS had a lower viewership than the DRAFT. That was unprecedented.
This is something completely else.

>>102642233
No. They bought WE NEED EU GEN meme just like WE NEED STARS EN. They based their business decision on reddit

you know I always saw gunrun as a cringe twitchtard trying to grift off vtubing and had nothing really against him but turns out he was just plain evil all along

>>102641817
I think Tinboy did most of his playthrough off stream, even he saw how much of a flop it was

>>102642285
He didn't even call it "NijiKoshien2025" for the most part, titled it "powerpro" something (the name of the game)

>>102642242
How the hell is any start up supposed to make it when you cant sign any big chuubas.

>>102642273
that fucking retarded...

>>102642282
>trusting a flip
>vtubing company but has a retarded streaming backpack for nuisance IRL streamer
Only retards believed his bullshit

>>102642282
that nigga going on all holoUS events(except concert) doesnt give you hint?

>>102642302
You need to make the little ones into big ones. Then you've demonstrated your value to the talent, justifying your cut.

>>102642214
>raora stream at prime NA hours
>gg stream early NA (11pm for euro)
>cc stream at eu hours
>erb doesn't stream
cc is amazing carrying the whole gen by herself

>>102642221
Debut really isn't the same thing as an event that used to be their strongest event.
Numbers seem down in general for Niji. Then suddenly they have a record breaking opening stream for their biggest event, then the lowest viewership they've ever had for the bulk of it

>>102642319
>>102642312
there is a difference between being a cringe normoid and stealing charity money

>>102642073
Liveposting in the other bread.... This thread in for drama fagging and Shit flinging

>>102642319
Imagine he is debuting at a star en, somehow his vibe fit in

>>102641589
a bunch of chromashift talents made excuses for not streaming on Jul 22
https://x.com/EnyaIgnis/status/1947851521103716440
https://x.com/YenaYoungblood/status/1947751946410201294
https://x.com/chikafujilisa/status/1947852625086656884

>>102642242
except hololive started with already established content creators same with nijisanji. Akk if them were straming on NND. ALL OF THEM. Niji and holo. together and they were having collabs and joint event and streams. It's just one group.

What is shiraken shilling

>>102642398
Isn't that the corpse of IdolCorp?

>>102642402
You are correct but VShojo is in their fourth complete year, nearing their fifth anniversary.
In their fourth year (2021) Hololive had already debuted all of ID, Myth and Promise and even HoloX.
VShojo? Niji retirement home and their previous talent orbiters, all of them

>>102642447
>VShojo is in their fourth complete year
No they aren't. Because they're fucking dead.

>>102642242
https://x.com/CL207/status/1947911415651512533?t=1fjqIR2rJIUNgm6hDiwy0w&s=19
VShojo made vtubers and vtubing big and famous. They had to spend $10 million to do it but they did it at their own expense

>>102642471
They are because they started in late 2020.
>2020-2021: 1 complete year
>2021-2022: 2 complete years
>2022-2023: 3 complete years
>2023-2024: 4 complete years

If they would survive until November, that would make five
>they likely won't

>>102642302
How do you do it? Get started in 2017-2018, benefit from the novelty of the industry, scale and get a good little business going, so you're primed to take off in 2020 when everyone gets locked inside and has nothing to do other than watch streamers for 6-12 months. Then, you gain enough power and inertia to be able to sustain yourself from then on, and have the clout to recruit bigger names AND elevate smaller names who you see potential in (both are important)

Other than that though, no clue, nobody seems to be really succeeding at it other than Phase and that might also be illusory (we'll see if they get their own spam of black frames and google dockeys at some point, who knows?). The entire rest of the industry is a graveyard of small corpos, this business is god awful. What's the fastest way to make a small fortune? Start with a large fortune, and found a small vtubing corpo.

200 kill DORYAAAAA!!! GORIGIC KANATA SAIKYOOOOOO

>>102642506
kek this game is nuts

>>102642487
>VShojo made vtubers and vtubing big and famous.
They did definitely not. Ironmouse was already widely known and went viral because of that
>I need money for a disabled chair. WOW, 2000 bucks in 15 minutes, thanks!
Nyanners was not only widely known but she's a "proto vtuber", a convert whose YouTube account was already in the million subs.
Projekt Melody likewise and arguably the peak of her name recognition was in 2020 with the "chaturbate thots seethe about anime girl eating their lunch".
Pretty much their every hire peaked before even joining, except maybe Ironmouse.

>>102642402
>except hololive started with already established content creators same with nijisanji
Wasn't Sora some literal random teenager who walked in off the street with her friend a-chan and proposed becoming a virtual idol for them?

>>102642520
Kanata has attain Gorivana, she is going to be the Gori-dha soon

>>102642447
yeah but you're omitting the fact that hololive and niji went public. that's a big difference. vshojo didn't have the funds

>>102642498
I'm getting shades of the MMO craze, it might be over.

>>102642506
>>102642520
It's over...

247 kill, Kanata did well

zamn >>89344535

>>102642535
>Ironmouse was already widely known
no she wasn't. when she joined vshojo nyanners , vei and melody were way bigger and more popular than her.

>>102642492
Anon, it's already over. They can't be anything. They were in their fourth year but now they're just dead.

>>102642402
That's wrong, none of them migrated their past audience as easily as a typical VShojo recruit could have. And their past audience wasn't even really a thing, most of them were small time then with transient NND viewers, having to share in the NND box. Their viewership on Youtube was so low they basically started from scratch, with new identities.

>>102642540
kek

https://www.youtu.be/pctVhYhXuRI
STARTING!!!

>>102642581
They were still the same group all one clique. It's not hard to understand. If it goes against your imaginary narrative so be it. Just don't pretend that holo talent fell from the sky.

>>102642402
>except hololive started with already established content creators
Newfag.

>>102642546
>yeah but you're omitting the fact that hololive and niji went public.
Anon, as for Hololive, "going public" didn't put a single cent on their coffers EXCEPT for the 1.4% of their shares (that they sold for 750 yen per share) to build the studio.
Outside of that, all of the securities in the stock market came from private investors and went to other private investors.
The bulk of the money Cover got was from sales revenue (donations, merch, events).

>>102642626
Delulu

I would rather have the entirety of HoloEN collapse than have my oshi announce marriage tbqh

>>102642302
That's what the VC money is for but you need a solid plan to run a sustainable business. Signing every big chuuba under the sun is not sustainable. They should be able to transform a shitty 1 or 2view chuuba to a 4view chuuba at the very least just like hololive. The big chuuba is there only to give your corpo legitimacy

>>102642646
Anon, so tell. How Hololive started?

ZAU ZAU

>>102642640
>EXCEPT for the 1.4% of their shares
And how much was that

>>102642623
Sometimes I forget how based Shondo is capable of being.

>>102642623
the liggers are laughing at us napling bros..

>>102642620
Hololive taking a bunch of early NND streamers and turning them into vtubing stars isn't really the same thing as Vshojo refusing to hire anyone except already-4view streamers and ex-major-corpo poaches.
You're trying to make some sort of moral point or something, but it's not about morality, it's about value add. Hololive added value, a LOT of value, so it could take more money in the deal. Vshojo adds little value, because all of the value is being brought to the table by the talents, so they couldn't take much of a cut and weren't sustainable.

Now of course, these retards all let them just not pay them for a year apparently, but that's a different thing.

>>102642673
It a love turn hate situation

>>102642620
>imaginary narrative
That's yours, you're shadowboxing a strawman. The point is that hololive took small time creators and grew them, while VShojo didn't, their creators were more famous than their brand and the company leveraged that for exposure instead of it being the other way around. Whether or not early holo content creators belonged to some NND clique is entirely irrelevant because even if they did they were still small time.

>>102642688
>Hololive taking a bunch of early NND streamers and turning them into vtubing stars
They haven't done this in years though. Now they hire failed idols instead.

>>102642233
Why do you want these people in HoloEN?

>>102642688
They should just stick to 2 view and nepo as requirements

>>102642672
In 2023, about 60M USD. One year before that VShojo secured an extra round of funding for 11M USD on top of what they had secured before.
If much VShojo had a *HEAD START*

>>102642706
Hololive EN still hires literal whos and balloons their careers. They did it last year, they did it for advent, and they'll probably do it again in the next 6-12 months.
You're talking about DEV_IS but they're some sort of experimental thing with a different strategy, who knows what they're going for. Mainline JP isn't hiring anymore, for now, it seems, but they used to do it.

KEK

>>102642702
Hololive and Nijisanji took already established and experienced content creators from NND who were already streaming together. Vshojo were streamers joining together to form a corpo. Vshojo didn't look for them they were already a group.
Keep with your fanfiction if it suits you.

MOOOGOOJAAANN

>>102642758
I'm talking about gen 5 that hired the failed idol Nene, failed FPS shitter Botan, failed ironmouse clone Polka and failed GFE streamer Lamy. The rot has been in for at least 5 years.

>>102642623
>>102642673
Michael "Cat" having fun on stream

>>102642788
>Vshojo didn't look for them they were already a group.
The OG ones, maybe. Every single hire from them on was pretty much
>big name? join in!
>audition? lel, GET SCAMMED!
APOLOGIZE TO NUX TAKU!

>>102642788
You're really stuck on this "NND group" thing. It's not the point. The point is what Hololive offers talents (a ton of exposure, growth, and opportunity they don't have and can't get on their own) and what Vshojo offered (uhh, fucking nothing? Help you arranging merch? Incompetent management and legal advice? You already did all the hard work of growing your career).
Also you're talking about the earliest core of Vshojo, they hired a lot after that if you didn't notice unless you think Henya and Kuro were 2020-era Ironmouse friends.

>>102642747
They really dropped the ball from the start

>>102642747
>headstart
no when you convert in yen and also those 11 mil were probably a lie. They had secured 6 mil and the rest were some mambo jumbo business loops of capital that wasn't tangible fund.
Cover and Aycolor going public changed the game. You can't even compare them to vshojo come on.

>>102642788
>Vshojo were streamers joining together to form a corpo.
So you are saying all the Vtubers who founded the group stole 500k from charity and from people who joined after them. Why arnt Iron mouse and Melody being held responsible for this?

>>102642673
Tanya was the one who wrote that.

>>102642332
>CC is amazing carrying the whole gen by herself

Are you really trying this in a numbers thread, otomo

>>102642838
Which one is Tanya?

>>102642828
>those 11 mil were probably a lie.
They weren't
>no when you convert in yen
This doesn't even make sense, I converted both to USD.
>Cover (...) going public changed the game. You can't even compare them to vshojo come on.
That as well make no sense. I posted the full amount of money they made with that, from that initial 60M on they didn't make (or lost) a single cent in the secondary market.
Wanna know what changed the game for Hololive?
>pic related
GROWING THEIR SALES REVENUE

>>102642832
I recognize some of this word salad but my experience with Klingon is not enough to decipher this puzzle of a post.

>>102642853
it's called sarcasm

>>102642825
>You're really stuck on this "NND group" thing. It's not the point.
It is.

Guys, please enjoy cute Flare for the nth times

>>102642912
I don't want her to yell at me...

>>102642877
>They weren't
I'm 100% sure they were. Also you're not convincing anyone with a company going public is not better or having less finances than another one looking for private investors.

>>102642788
>streamers joining together to form a corpo
It's not like Yagoo was a NND streamer that hired all his NND friends so the comparison doesn't even make sense.

>>102642912
Noel=sex

kek

>>102642954
It's not about Yagoo. They were already established streamer doing collabs together. Everyone went their separate ways some at niji some at holo. But they were already there. Every single one them. A huge one CLIQUE.

>>102642904
Sorry anon, you're some kind of /hlg/ schizo or something with a particular seemingly very old and very JP-centric axe to grind, but tbdesu I don't even know what the fuck you're getting at. I'm talking about market dynamics and vtuber corporations, particularly in the EN sphere, and why all of them are failing where Hololive isn't. The answer is, they don't add enough value so they can't extract any value.

If Vshojo tries to take more cuts from talents = talents walk, because the power dynamic is all fucked. Vshojo needs talent more than talent needs vshojo, because vshojo refuses to (was incapable of, really) hiring anyone except already established ex-corpo and indie 4views. If you hire a 2view and make them a 4view, they're grateful, and you get more of the pot because you added more to the pot. Ya dig?

MOGOGO IS JUST TO GOOD

>>102642788
>already established and experienced content creators from NND
Experienced maybe but they were literal whos tier on NND, you are a Vshojo newfag why talking about NND as if you know shit about it?

>>102642942
I don't need to "convince" anyone of anything, I'm posting hard numbers and people can take their own conclusions based on it.

>>102642990
Please check the original post you replied to here one more time
>>102642242
and explain how this clique you claim is the entire point is relevant to the arguments put forth in that post

>VShojo internet defence force (what's left of it) doing damage control in both threads

>>102643017
You're just mad someone fact checked your delusional narrative. I don't blame you.

>>102643063
>VShojo internet defence force
How is this even a thing now

>>102643105
They were promised payment.

Ngl white women know how to do ntr properly
You don't see bae or shiori doing this

>>102643115
Are they going to start a charity to fund it?

>>102643123
y-yeah hehe

>>102642758
>Hololive EN still hires literal whos
Not a single talent in justice was a literal who. Unless it's your subjective way of anyone outside of hololive is a who then that's fair.

>>102643083
I have no idea what you're talking about, you confuse me with someone else, I'm just saying you're a retarded newfag you have no idea what you're talking about, none of gen 1 or gen 2 got popular because of their past NND streamer

>>102643186
Gigi was.

Isn't this a bit suspicious?

>>102643202
>I have no idea what you're talking about
same

>>102643258
Thanks? for confirming that you're a clueless newfag then

>>102643222
when the impostor is sus

>>102642402
This dude is VERY ANGRY that Cover hired talents with previous streaming experience

https://www.youtu.be/k1s6s5GbbAE
STARTO

I NEED IT

>>102643186
CC is low 3view and GG is low 3view borderline 2view+the runt of runt corpo

>>102643293
You're still mad at me and I don't understand. That's basically it. I just fact checked you. And you keep getting mad and calling me names.

>>102643218
She was not exactly unknown if you follow the artist circle in en

>>102643186
>3 liggers knew CC
a litteral who same for GG.

>>102643222

You mean hololive fans goes to reddit because theres a vtubing Megra-YAB thats not hololive?

>>102640592
All that talk about total "career death" as per usual goes no where. did unicorns ever matter? at least be dedicated with it and get arrested like the JP shizos.

>MOCOCHAAAAN

>>102643470
Don't act like phasecucks/vshokeks/nijisisters didn't do the same when holoyab happened

>>102643483
she have cucks not unicorn fans

jwu so did nimi died?

Saba cute!

Is Flare's channel a debuff?

>>102643425
> Fact check
> No fact, no proof, no number, no evidence etc etc
I guess repeating it in your head turned it into a fact?

>>102642623
reminds me of reimu

NND = Twitch now?

>>102643425
Still trying to deflect? how about you post proof of this "established" NND streamer let's see their number and how it translates into their Hololive persona, ill wait

>>102643438
>deleted
are jannies in on it?

Azki suffering part 2 - Claire route. Pioneers are happy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObqnGUhc1WM

>>102643437
the fuck does that even mean? Someone who is known in EN artist circle is Raora, GG is a literal who on there

>>102642870
Second from the left. She graduated a few days ago.

>>102643604
NTA. What's the point he trying to prove anyway?

>>102640679
There are still people joining nijisanji to try and make a career getting shocked with niji bad!

AAAAAAAAAAIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1s6s5GbbAE

So, that Myth event is just a bunch of songs?

>>102643754
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

>>102643754
trauma

Smug Flare

when she made that One Piece tweet at the middle of the night, it really made me feel like something was off

>>102643793
with JP members!

>VC money runs out
>your whores aren't selling nearly as much plastics as you think it would
>all other ventures is either delayed or unprofitable
>tried selling the company just to pay debts but no one willing to buy because you actually don't have any IP or assets that worth shit
What would you have done in vshojo's position?

>Nimi subs still haven't moved

>>102643950
more donathons

I can listen to Ayame entire day

>>102643950
Pivot to recruiting less demanding 3views and have more traditional contracts where you take a portion of their streaming revenue, try to keep Henya, Ironmouse, and Michi happy. As far as paying back 500 grand fuck if I know, that one wasn't recoverable.

>>102640750
wtf is the context

>>102642825
Hololive was a "literally who" group when it was poaching NND camwhores, but ironically it's these people who made Hololive the megacorp it is now.

>>102644054
JAV

>>102643990
starting to think that this board really is the only place that cares about these things and that it really doesn't matter at all

>>102644077
No......

Ajimaru

You are LITERALLY living in a timeline where Nimi Nightmare publicly announced she's getting married and will be having unprotected sex and made it her character lore, VShojo died on the same day and it's likely a year from now the second biggest EN corpo will be Vallure.

>>102643950
>your whores aren't selling
What kind of a Pimp would let that happen? embarassing

Choco really likes this innocent babu

>>102644066
None of them got popular in Hololive because people know they were NND streamer because they also literally who on NND

>>102644077
Genuine question, at what point in the vtubing timeline would this have been career ruining? did anyone actually get ruined because of it?

>>102644157
Why is Ayame voice so soothing...

I was without internet for 18 hours, what did I miss

?

>>102644157
Naplings are lower than Rider right now. Let that marinate in your mind.

>>102643950
Told talents that cuts and structure have to change, or close shop.
This is key: I would NOT have stolen $500k of charity money, because that might end up with serious legal trouble. Bankruptcy is far prefarable. I'd love to know who authorized that decision because they're insane. Why keep the company afloat for another 10 months at the expense of federal prison? Did they really think they could make it back with Mint's idol group and the 3view monster group with that "piaUFO" chick and just replace it quietly?

I never know Fubuki is gfe...

>>102644321
Ironmouse dropped new lore - she's getting married. Nimi joining Vshojo

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
>at least vivi has no improper thought....

Pegor,your trauma need to heal already

Look at Suisei, talking about pet...

>>102644332
>I would not have stolen $500k of charity money
We don't know for sure if that even happened

>>102644330
weird setup.

FULL GOKISEI

>>102644606
Setting what up?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlN8b3NbEkA
kek a had a wild fight happening

>>102644602
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Why are jannies allowing two threads?

>>102644586
Right now, Gunrun's silence is deafening. The only possible save for him is, he lawyered up the second Ironmouse made those claims and the lawyers told him not to say a damn thing and are working up legal shit. In that situation, Ironmouse would have to play the role of the villain or co-villain along with him. But even if all of that is true she'll play the
>I'm a sick girl in bed, he manipulated me and tricked me.

Any got a good Lamy screenshot?

>>102644290
Most big announcements like this also came with a content change of some sort. It will be hard to compare as Nimi is not going to even really mention it on stream. It will take a month to see if there is any real effect anyways, though her sub growth did slow a bit.

>>102644713
isn't it more damaging to not say anything in this situation?

>>102644713
Gunrun is lawyering up to sue ironmouse.
Vshojo never received that donation money from ironmouse, yet she defamed the company of robbing her.
Why would ironmouse even give vshojo the donation money when she knew they have cashflow issues and even have unpaid liabilities to herself.

>>102644836
in terms of public rep yes, but he can use that as damages when he win his defamation suit

People hardly seem to care about Vshojo imploding.

Oh, unnamed female friend is shachi isn't it. Was also recently doing an elden ring playthrough.

>>102644836
For PR in the short term? maybe/yes. Long term, easy victories have been lost due to some idiot talking too much on twitter or making public statements. Best thing to do in any legal situation is lawyer up and let the lawyers and PR firms do the talking.

>>102644077
What part of massive xitter boost into subs not moving seems good to you?

>>102642062
possibly rurumi

>>102644887
Why would they? At the end of the day every single one of them is still streaming and the only difference is that now they don't have "VShojo" hidden somewhere on their profile.

>>102644602
PekoMiko need their reconciliation sex to heal the fan heart

https://www.youtu.be/ZaDh5W0TDQs

>>102644713
>>102644847
I suspect Ironmouse stole the money and thought she could just vaguely blame management for it. Vshojo gave her autonomy and wouldn't have been handling those funds to begin with.

>>102645028
dumb faggot
vshojo owes literally EVERYBODY
they fucked up payments for YEARS
ironmouse is barely relevant at this point

>>102645079
Because Ironmouse kept embezzling money, yeah.

>>102645123
in what way

>>102645079
ironmouse being a piece of shit and vshojo running an unsustainable business that can't even make payments to their talents can both be true retard

I make da poo poo to da toilet

Pekora calling marine to fall all the way

>>102644900
twitter anything has always been and continues to be completely meaningless. people just virtue signal on twitter, they don't actually go and sub. I'll give you that the amount of new subs she gained is roughly equal to the amount of old fans she lost, both being near-zero

How is she so cute?

>>102645137
She forced vshojo to spend a ridiculous amount of money to promote her and only her via paid publications, tga awards, etc with the threat that she will leave the group if they won't.
That's where the operational funds went and they naively thought it was a good idea since it could become great publicity for them especially for future investments (they never get anymore investments and the good PR went to ironmouse rather than the group)

>>102645301
No proof? cool.
Keep you delusions to yourself.

It would be the biggest switcheroo the history if somehow Mouse becomes the villain
But so far there are no sign of it given that all talents are only blaming the management and have not hinted anything on something fishy by any talent

>>102645278
Married women, by definition, are desirable.

>>102645165
I don't care if she is or isn't but you just making shit up for no reason

>>102645301
lol individual can't force corpo to do anything

>>102645388
sadly your is a cloutchaser, she will be good too if she do ASMR, drop her friendship with scum like Mint and focus on becoming a true vegan

>>102645444
the "Mouse stole the money" and "it was actually Mori's manager leaking info" might be the same schizo who was pushing the Mori/Mouse vs Saba/Fillian thing a couple weeks back
he just really doesn't like the two pinks

the state of catalog

How long till thread die?

So when is Pekora's 3D Live?

>>102645516
Ironmouse is a shitty mother that used vshojo to issue takedowns of the tapes. She rather spend money on another model than care for her teen daughter.

>>102645569
eta 5 minutes

>>102645557
I cant believe the philipinos have their own thread now

>>102645482
>with the threat of leaving

>>102645358
Ask silvervale about it

>>102645516
There's zero reason for ironmouse to send the donation money through vshojo instead of donating them herself. Especially so when she knew that vshojo has cashflow issues since she herself hasnt been paid what she owed from them.
ironmouse told vshojo to make the donation out of her share of unpaid payments and spins it as they robbed her of the donation money when they clearly can't make the donation considering they have no such available cash

New normal

>>102645903
The reason is that the event was a subathon and the whole thing exists in the first place to give money to twitch
Like fuck ironmouse but you literally have this backwards there was no mechanism to donate to the charity because it was always im giving the donation