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*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking
>https://vt.poi.cat/

Hololive sites
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://holo-spotify-stats.jirikunes.eu/

Twitch sites
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/
>https://streamscharts.com/

>>102640562 (OP)
This one.

>>102640562 (OP)
>>102640576
Based

>>102640223
you know what else is free?

https://youtu.be/JGfvl0KzTIE?si=nidAPtdfC6pQg4-Z

WITCH

>>102640656
well not really they've been paying for 4 years to get to sit there KEK

fuck the other whore bread

Meanwhile Nerissa is trying to shoot her shot at Ado of all people

So Vshojo just decided to pay 250 million yen for 7 days for that subway Ad. Holy high on ketamine finance dept

>>102640724
I don't think Ado will respond

>>102640727
idk the market price but the move itself isn't bad

>>102640727
This one, right? It was crass too, because it coincided with events ongoing on the Holo side, Rushia departure IIRC
It was clearly a dig at Holo

>>102640877
I have seen such ads multiple time never made me interested in so and so stuff.

>>102640889
Oh i did read somewhere it was a dig at holo out what? The graduation?

>>102640877
The move was awful. They were just attempting to enter a completely new market in a place where “tatemae” is the most important quality any person or business has to exhibit and their first move?
>our competitor, your prized local companies?
>They’re no good! We’re better than them!

It wouldn’t work even in America, let alone in Japan.

>>102640922
This could have worked if they had hage roster of Jp talents

https://x.com/fuwamoco_en/status/1948307170585686095
https://x.com/fuwamoco_en/status/1948307170585686095
https://x.com/fuwamoco_en/status/1948307170585686095

>>102640962
Wasn't this after Mike's incident?

>>102640983
Who is bigger fuwawa or Shiori

>cuck thread has more numbers

>>102641011
did Shiori already post hers?

>>102641013
It's SEA hours that where they belong afterall

>>102641011
Based on this image, it's Fuwawa

>>102641023
Yeah its on her X

>>102641030
I tried moving a few here but they prefer to be cucked

>TOP KEK!
https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/vshojo-explained-biggest-vtuber-group-twitch-members-1690998/

Now it’s a good time to revisit those glazing articles by that “ducky” mongoloid
> Who is VShojo?
>VShojo formed in November 2020 as a project run by former Twitch employee Justin ‘theGunrun’ Ignacio and popular YouTuber Phillip ‘Mowtendoo’ Fortunat.
>“Founded by fans of VTuber culture, we aim to create and foster content that pushes the boundaries of VTubing and talent freedom, while maintaining deep respect for the people and companies that helped pave the way,” their website reads.
It’s an amusing read.

>VShojo’s stars also have a large amount of freedom compared to other VTuber groups.
>The agency professes this with “Talent First” as one of their big pillars:
>“We listen to our talent’s feedback, work hard to achieve their dreams, and have them keep their IP.”
Enters kson
>New talents like kson cited this as a big reason to join VShojo.
>“In this VTuber industry, not every VTuber has the ability to do whatever they want.
>They’re not in a circumstance to do whatever the f**k they want because they don’t have their talent-first management, so I wanted to make a change in a fun way.”
HAHAHAHAHA, “talent-first management”

>>102640994
Jun 13, 2022

>>102640922
Because it wasn't aimed at the general Japanese public, it was aimed specifically as a poaching method to get existing big names to jump ship and sign up with them. Which is why they timed it so that it took place when shit was going down in hololive. Any actual audience they gained by those ads is incidental at best

>>102641085
So The period between may August is when talent renew their contracts.... Nice try Vshitjo

>>102640962
Yeah, see>>102641085
The plan all along was to get a few big names from hololive and nijisanji to jump over and use them to promote their brand
Unfortunately the only ones who fell for it are kson and pikamee, the first have long since been past her prime and the latter wasn't popular enough for their purposes

>>102641071

>>102641124
>The plan all along was to get a few big names from hololive and nijisanji to jump over
Then do a rug pull
I wonder how much Nazuna got up front

>>102641085
>Because it wasn't aimed at the general Japanese public, it was aimed specifically as a poaching method to get existing big names to jump ship and sign up with them.
I am not talking about the reaction of the vtuber watching audience, they didn’t know who VShojo was OR what the hell was written in Latin script was supposed to mean.
My point is on the business side, including the hiring part you mentioned. They were about to open their JP branch and anywhere in the world but SPECIALLY in Japan reputation is the make or break for a new entrant and, with that campaign?
The image they projected could only be summarized with
>well cheat, steal, poach and badmouth anything and everything in order to succeed
That would have worked in the 1980s cutthroat corporate America but in the 2020s that’s terrible optics

>>102641144
She is smart. Saw them not paying her fucked off

>>102641085
>>102641157
Incidentally, if memory doesn’t fail me, Kanata had to move out of Coco’s house right after, more or less corroborating my point.
Any proximity to VShojo ANYTHING instantly became radioactive

>>102640562 (OP)
AI Slop must die

>>102641180
she knows how much she should be getting considering a lot of her whales initially followed her

>>102641157
Apparently Geega litreally told them not to do this advertisement bullshit but nah there fuckers were high on pag pag

All those years of Saplings crowing in /#/ that Fauna was the ultimate CGDCT vtuber. Gone, reduced to atoms.

>>102641226
Well its good for pebbles One less cunt group to deal with.

Shion is avoiding Mikeneko.

>>102641221
But didn't she join like year after?

>>102641213
I think these girls only need afew Whales

>>102641189
Nah, that kind of stuff is standard risk prevention. If you dealt with any kind of sensitive material during the Covid work from home period you'd be familiar with it. It doesn't matter what agency coco joined, but there's no way coco and kanata who both belong to different, competing agencies could reasonably continue staying in the same house without an unacceptable security risk.

>>102641248
not according to the clip I Watched.
https://youtu.be/T2rGJGphhv8?

>>102641254
is orca-san still seen on her chat or did he finally move on? aside from his time with Kuroe

>>102641243
Who would want to associate with her after the shit she pulled.

https://x.com/holoindie_ccmc/status/1948232422803296375?
Did we talk about this yet? Hololive pushing it

>>102641274
it's only reasonable considering how much flesh streams kson was doing, it was inevitable that she'd slip and how ppt at some point or even reveal her location

This thread is boring, i want to be cucked

>>102641328
not the release but Pegors and Senchou have a frame up for the game today

>>102641274
Don't forget Mel also got terminated for and NDA breach not too long afterwards. It's just smart not to expose yourself to that kind of risk if you don't have to

>>102641328
This and the other holo indie game.

>>102641280
Seems to me like she's more speaking about overall experience. The subway is more of example of spending money on random shit before she got in, not something she advised them not to do.

https://x.com/Holoearth_EN/status/1948005177556181236
HoloEarth has local voice chat now

>>102641328
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnT0cKrEhkk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6ZuVTq2bhI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1s6s5GbbAE

Kaela can't catch a break.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

>>102641439
Yeah I don't know how well this is going to go.

>>102641071
vtwitchers are dead deadass
>>102641243
WWWWwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

>>102641439
of course that's going to go so well
but wait, so the talents can talk to me directly now?!

>>102641453
INDOCHADS WE CANNOT STOP WINNING

>>102641453
looks fun lmao Azki

>>102641274
>Nah, that kind of stuff is standard risk prevention.
It was no such thing and I think I even "chronicled" it in this very thread (see >>34689603) as it was happening based, of course, in familiarity with Choco (in both her Holo and not Holo forms).
kson was already on VShojo without any issues and Kanata moving out was sudden, as in "HAVE TO MOVE OUT IN 3 BUSINESS DAYS!" sudden.

My theory is that that "rapprochement" between kson and the Holo girls was an attempt to poach them, and Choco (being very professional) disclosed it to Hololive which IMMEDIATELY "recalled" Kanata and told her to move the fuck out.

>>102641443
Sora cute noises

>>102641473
Yeah that is the intended purpose

>>102641474
Her chat is moving way faster then before

>>102641374
>Not too long afterwards
1.5 years is quite long, anon…

>>102641443
Enter foobs

>>102641490
>Kson poaching Holo girls
I wonder why no one took her offer except miguel of course

>>102641443
No the voice lines are really good

>>102641514
In another sense it's no time at all. It depends entirely on what kind of scale we're using.

>>102641532
"Talent Freedom" is overrated and the only person who could benefit from it would be Coco herself because she's too dumb to realise she can have the Holo cushy job and do WHATEVER THE FUCK SHE WANTS outside of Holo with zero issues
>See: Noel, Matsuri, AZKi, Choco

>>102641532
Miguel war way too greedy + controversies

>>102641544
seems like a better version of that kusoge, i already bought a lot of holo indies that i haven't touched much after and this one looks more forgiving compared to the original since it isn't just 1 whole stage where you could fuck up

kind of hilarious that the cope that she could be marrying a woman was fucking destroyed by shondo and her frens confirming it's a husband
jesas

>>102641443
PekoMarine clique...

>>102641532
Because as often as some Holo girls might have complained about restrictions, Cover still treated them well and provided a pretty safe, stable & well paying job for at least another several years (not to mention their friends in the group)
"Freedom" just isn’t as attractive to asians as it’s to Westerners

>>102641588
That was a falseflagger in any case.

Now, isn't it nice that the schizos are at the "OTHER" /#/ thread? This one is peaceful and reminiscent of the old numbers thread pre CCVID, slow and comfy

>>102641443
Choco

>>102641532
At the point at which Rushia took her offer she was at rock bottom and kicked out of hololive so I don't think her situation is comparable

>>102641588
money was secured and now its time to trim the herd of undisreables and secure a stable monthly income of core cucks via onlyfans.

>>102641443
SUBARU

>>102641607
>not using both for maxium /#/ postin'
KEKAROO

SHUBA

>>102641443
Yodayo

>>102641443
Woah made it

Yeah the voice lines are all really good. Did they take it all from streams or did they get some samples directly from the holos?

Ded thread

>>102641588
I don't doubt it, but I do doubt that Shondo actually knows

>>102641759
Sadly more cucks this hour. Like zero live posting no number fagging

Looks like Koshien is tomorrow already. The "day before" stream is underperforming HARD in relation to 2022 and 2023. Here is for the other years
>peak :: date :: title :: nameEn :: video_id
>65125 :: 2021-08-12 :: にじさんじ甲子園2021 大会直前!前日特番【 #にじさんじ甲子園 】 :: Nijisanji :: rX6ODupqCwM
>101488 :: 2022-08-11 :: にじさんじ甲子園2022 大会直前!前日特番【 #にじさんじ甲子園 】 :: Nijisanji :: zE9WP1N12yM
>94194 :: 2023-08-10 :: にじさんじ甲子園2023 大会直前!前日特番【 #にじ甲2023 】 :: Nijisanji :: RGf2CS7c0aE
>64968 :: 2024-08-09 :: にじさんじ甲子園2024 大会直前!前日特番【 #にじ甲2024 】 :: Nijisanji :: qyf1J0oT1yk

It's doing better than last year's one but last year was in itself another massive underperformance.

>>102641781
She's known for a long while

>>102641790
check me post from ytJapan... that shit has 2 comments

I got banned. I'm finally free anon tachi.

>>102641870
Welcome back

im playing pokemon diamond, which starter should I choose

>>102641819
That's the one thing I don't really believe, I don't think they actually talk seriously. So I think she's just assuming things haven't changed

Pfffft They're all going to do it, aren't they?

>>102641917
flip a coin gen 4 has good starters

>>102641790
so are we getting a horse race? considering that they won't be getting their usual 200+k

>>102641917
The fire monkey

>>102641917
Chimchads

Holy kek

>>102641979
i still wonder who's paying for all of these

>>102641964
>>102641978
of course /#/'s chooses the monkey pokemon

today is his anniversary btw KEK

>>102641955
>so are we getting a horse race?
I doubt. I say it beats 250k

>>102641443
MOCOCOEH

>>102640562 (OP)
sex

WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT
>IS IT WHAT MY TIRED OLD EYES ARE SEEING?!?!?!?!

T-TRIPLE LAMY (THE NEW GENERATION)?!?!?!?!

>>102641979
Strong engine is coming back for NijiEN after a period of piss poor engine

>>102642039
we're replacing one of them with Kaela now?

>>102642009
Euroseethe

>>102642013
His actual anniversary stream peaked at little over 1k

Glad to see this thread is still thriving even though Cucks are more in number

>>102642020
Mococo kawaii!

>>102642013
Bro said I'll associate myself more with niji. Eat shit fag

Eh
https://itch.io/updates/update-on-nsfw-content
https://itch.io/updates/update-on-nsfw-content
https://itch.io/updates/update-on-nsfw-content

>>102642129
I wonder others are there or not

>>102642148
Itch is being sold

>>102642148
Visa/Mastercard don't like what they're selling

>>102642148
Who?

>>102642148
like what just happened recently with Steam and it got done in because of aussies

>>102642164
Look like the treasure mountain game, I guess everyone is here

>>102642184
A gaming platform like steam I guess

>>102642197
haven't seen anyone from En other than fwmc

0 cons btw

>>102642241
now she goes back to getting conned as an indie

>>102642064
Replacing? IT WAS ALWAYS KAELA!

How long until visa/mastercard deplatforms vtubers under pretense of protecting children from degeneracy?

includes paid promotion

Just realized Koyori and Marine are racing

>>102642278
I am waiting for JAV angle

>>102642224
I think you're right, on the picture there's only Fwmc

>>102642289
isn't Melody already having problems because of what she does on other platforms?

>>102642278
She's dumb enough to sign with Brave (and get scammed), then WACTOR (and get scammed)

>>102642323
maybe one of her jav friends could influence her, she could also add mike on it

>>102642336
this is just a rip off of that one fotm game

>>102642354
kekson signed with brave and wactor before? or is it just for a project or something?

>>102642289
>How long until visa/mastercard deplatforms vtubers under pretense of protecting children from degeneracy?
Anon? Are you even familiar with the "Elsagate adpocalypse"?
Choco was the fastest growing 2nd gen in every metric (beating even Aqua in subs growth) when they debuted, the YouTube decided to kill ANYTHING cartoonish that could be construed as lewd because of content farms making borderline and creepy content aimed at kids, and advertisers *and* payment processors putting pressure on Youtube to crack down.

>>102642383
In the future, as an hypothetical. She's dumb enough to do it, mark my words

>two threads

koyo ri loosing it

>>102642409
considering she's already a 3 view, she actually might consider it and by this point she's already affordable anyhow

vtubing failed in the west because they tried to imitate japanese and thus never took it seriously hence the grift.

>>102642415
The other one is Cuck thread

>>102642452
What the fuck? How the fuck V-fucking-Shojo "imitated the japanese"?

>>102641532
anyone with a brain would refuse all this bullshit

>>102641443
Biboo

Oh Biboo is here too

>>102642452
most of them had the same attitude as kekson does, same as dumb and dumber where they see that they were getting some notoriety and immediately asked for the moon

>>102642470
they should have chosen mikey mouse style avatars

holy shit these balls make way too much noise

>>102642470
It's literally in the name
THE JAPANESE IS LITERALLY IN THE NAME

>>102642479
>we operate on trust, no need to put it on paper
HOLY FUCK. RETARDS ALL OF THEM

>>102642496
minnie mouse chuba when?

>>102642470
They imitated Nijisanji not paying their talents

>>102642529
Anon, having a foreign sounding name is not "imitating the japanese" and it's hard to make a case that VShojo style of content is ANYTHING like their foreign counterparts.
Actually, that's pretty much their point of pride, Silvervale made a whole interview with that ducky mongoloid saying pretty much that, on how she's a regular twitch stream with an avatar

>>102642563
they were learning from the best

>>102642513
That's what it is meant todo annoy the fuck out of you

>>102642580
The name is not foreign sounding, it's literally a japanese word meaning virgin girls. It's obvious Vshojo wanted to imitate their highly successful Japanese counterparts, but couldn't because it gave its talents too much freedom to do whatever.

Mocojyan !!!

>>102642648
That's the most idiotic coep of the week
>VShojo failed because it was "too japanese"

>>102642645
y

People say that the girls are retards for signing up without reading the contracts, meanwhile this dude is screaming about vshojo taking a cut
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP8y_6giv_g&t=771s

>>102642680
zogogo

>>102642715
>51 minutes

>>102642707
such games like jump king bank on user tilting it makes the same more fun....

>>102642715
>baldtone

>>102640916
They deliberately timed ads to Hololive “yabs”

>>102642715
Yeah he in followin asmongold keep talking make bank

>>102642129
>>102642020

Koyori gushing over biboo
Marine gushing over Mococo

Total holo conquer

Rare Marine baubaus

https://x.com/hololiveRECORDS/status/1948343979050696716
Kanata's new album selling well, 18k sales in 2 days recorded. probably hits 24k in a week

>>102642715
These retards operate under some completely different standards where vtubers who are part of agencies are completely free agents that easily could jump between them, they have no concept of character IP and if they found out they would consider it a hostage situation.
And all of this is not taking into account that all of these people are connected to mythic and has a vested interest in shilling them and think they are the same thing as vtuber corpos.

Mori just reposted v cards in her rm

>>102642837
yea its cute

>>102640724
>>102640747
I dunno, she has 10k likes already and is solidly the top comment

>You see these ads they posted that take weeks if not months of planning and accepting were actually deliberate attempt at scorching Hololive right after prolific drama!

Stop with your persecution complex holofans, it's embarrassing. We all know vshojo bad and stuff, but trying to uplift a coincidence into a spite attempt just to feel sorry for yourself is plain pathetic

>>102642915

>>102642915
Anon, if it took months it would line them PERFECTLY with early 2022 making it even worse

>a fucking elf
muted

>>102642915
Verbae litreally said this Shit phasecuck .... Are you angry they never paid attention to your corpo

>>102642949
KEK

>>102642915
>holofans
ah yes, Vei the holofan.

>>102642872
She's always been way too greedy.

>>102642915
>exvshojos are lying, i know it better than them

>>102642915
not my problem they were petty putting money on this instead of growing their company

>>102642960
>>102642977
>>102642980
Those talents have no knowledge of business part of Vshojo. You wouldn't trust a cashier in convenience store to tell you how their brand marketing is decided.

STOP TRUSTING LITERAL WHORES

>>102642949
shouldn't you be in the other thread you fucking dwarf

>>102643048
Yeah you should trust the random anon defending the whore company instead

>Vshojo is dead
>Vshojo defense force still here

>>102643095
we always had one faggot who was always here defending them and kekson

https://store.vshojo.com
>I PUSH MY FINGERS INTO MY EYES
>IT'S THE ONLY THING THAT SLOWLY STOPS THE ACHE
>BUT IT'S MADE OF ALL THE THINGS I HAVE TO TAKE
>JESUS, IT NEVER ENDS, IT WORKS ITS WAY INSIDE
>IF THE PAIN GOES ON, AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

how do we have two threads with basically the same discussions? Are people posting twice?

>>102643138
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>102643138
His name is pretty apt, gunned it with vshojo and run off with the money

>>102643176
The other one was obvious nimi bait so people started to post here instead

btw, early in the month VShojo was doing a full court press in their "sympathetic" media, shilling hard as fuck
>likely to try to deflect from the series of defections

All that was missing was that Ducky retard, other than that they even done a "Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson and Isaiah Thomas were among the best players in the 1992 season" type of article putting them at the same level as Holo

>>102643181
I want to see the kind of people who buy this ironic slop

>>102643211
>>102643181
kek, see >>102643209 (it was the Melody one)

>>102643209
everybody and their moms were behind vshojo, anybody who didn't like chubas in the first place supported vshojo

>>102643209
>Sorry Kson, we can't pay you this month. We know it's hard and disappointing that it happened again. but we operate on trust. We are doing well as the company, so trust us to deliver next month!
>Hello Vice, say how much did you want for this article again?

>>102643209
kek

>>102643181
no wonder they made no money when THAT is what their merch looks like

>>102643181
Eww

>>102643209
Here, same author
>THE MOST WATCHED VTUBER ᵒn ᵗʷᶦᵗᶜʰ

>>102643306
That's one of the problems with doing things to an irony-pilled audience.

>>102643276
>Sorry Kson, we can't pay you this month.
up to 10 fucking months and she was silent the whole time, fucking retard

NijEN went down, Vshojo went down, Hololive EN is next. In before Holo EN is the goat they could never do anything wrong I thought the same about vshojo and look were we are.

btw, I wonder what happens with these chicks now
>VShojo NOVA
I think the nip CEO mentioned that they had the cashflow to keep the JP side afloat, I wonder if they'll try to spin it off and / or sell to Brave

>>102643209
What if, and this might be a really big if, VShojo cashflow was shit because most of their merch sales were shit in the first place? That most of their talents weren't very strong merch movers outside of when it could be used for virtue signaling and pity baiting?

>kson confirmed vshojo have no rights/access to any of their channels (twitch/twitter/youtube)
>ironmouse claims vshojo robs her of her charity donation
>ironmouse also knows the company is short on cash since she still owes her money since years ago
How? the only way Vshojo can rob her out of 500k USD is that ironmouse herself wires that to them for whatever reason instead of donating it to the foundation directly
Why did she do that when they still haven't even paid her some of her merch revenue shares?

This is what actually happens:
>ironmouse realizes vshojo can't ever pay her merch share because their upcoming projects (which returns would pay her share) are all failing
>sets up a charity drive via her subathon
>drive finished 500k USD collected from twitch
>told vshojo they should make her donation with the money they owe her
>vshojo literally can't because they have no liquid cash
>contacts dramafags and gives them her side of the story
>sets up another charity drive to "make things right" even though she still has the 500k USD
>uploads the announcement video
Now she can completely disassociate herself from an inefficient failing corpo, keeps the money she's supposed to donate, and have the internet pays for her "donation" instead.
The legal case going on is gunrun suing ironmouse for pulling this, that's why kson wasnt able to say remotely anything regarding WHERE the donation money went to (it never reached vshojo in the first place) despite grilling the JP CEO why they can't pay anything to the talents.

>>102643408
NijiEN is still alive and doing great. Don't compare well doing eastern corpos to your pathetic western upstart corpo compromised of twitch whores and grifters.

Man, what a crazy time, those months in 2022 when kson joined them.
>then Nazuna KEK
I think I'll archive dive to fetch posts that did not age well

>>102643503
they could've been wasting their money on this as well, getting news outlets to write positive things about them

>>102643438
Didn't silvervale implied that the talents isn't innocent either in this entire ordeal?

>>102643426
It's not just that. VShojo didn't really have any revenue stream because their talent could simply self produce.
That was the whole proposition and what "seduced" kson in the first place
>they do everything for us!
>they don't keep IP or even a cut of the donations or of self produced merch!
>AVENGERS TEAM!
I say one of the things that precipitated the whole thing was Matara getting fired for self producing her merch.

Is it normal for holo to do so much shill Streams?

>>102643209
Now I see where the money went... fucking paid articles

>>102643548
nta but the main reason vshojo probably fucked up is that during covid when business was booming there model of merch only was working but when covid falling down and the big vtuber boom being over it led to the model no longer being sustainable.

Now, this one right here took the cake because it was so heavy handed the author had to jump on a grenade and pretend he made it up instead of it coming straight from Silvervale's mouth
https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/silvervale-wants-stream-forever-vshojo-star-finds-purpose-vtubing-1891685/

In the original version of the article this was one of the quotes
>“We can show everyone that there can be an agency that’s not like Hololive,” she continued.
>“You can be yourself and you can have a relationship and you can talk about yourself and your parents — just be yourself and not be tied down by all these expectations.

People obviously ragged on her and the ducky mongoloid that wrote it because, among other things, PEKO FUCKING MAMA was already a thing (not to mention Haachama's family, Mamatsuri, Marine's sister, Anemachi among others).

More on the original article
>VShojo has loftier goals than that though.
>Having just brought on Kson and Amemiya Nazuna in their Japan expansion, they want to flip the VTubing landscape on its head.
>While its idol culture roots might be great for the Japanese audience, it can also distance VTubers from Western fans who like authenticity.
(...)
> “We’re just normal streamers, we just have a professional backing and I like how that’s going to be more normalized and we can just be ourselves.”

>>102643631
they've spent more money on advertisements than their own

>>102643614
They will do even more now, since sponsors have fewer and fewer places to go with vshojo imploding.

>>102643614
Horses have Yakuza behind them. The crazy amount of money they get for these unmarked sponsored streams is once in a lifetime opportunity. Just wait 2 weeks and it will pass. It's already slowing down.

Don't you find it strange that suddenly so many people could have joined Vshojo ?

>>102643649
>> “We’re just normal streamers, we just have a professional backing and I like how that’s going to be more normalized and we can just be ourselves.”
might as well just watch normal streamers by that point

>>102643649
Back in July they were doing a full court press using TALENT FREEDOM as their competitive differential
Anon mentioned at the other thread "well, that might be a coincidence" but Silvervale NAMEDROPPED Hololive and here is her contemporary tweet

>Be free. Make the content you want to make. Have fun.
>Make friends with whoever you want. Play whatever you want.
>Build your community and keep it, forever.
>TALENT FREEDOM, NOW AND FOREVER!
>LETS GO!!!
>#Vshojo
https://x.com/_Silvervale_/status/1548526454782267393

This did NOT age well at all and EVERYTHING in that laundry list of "talent freedom" was a dig at Hololive, from content to permissions to collabs.
Funnily enough, that is so kson-coded I wouldn't doubt it was her hiring that changed VShojo strategy back then.

>One of the challenges of getting answers to those questions is that many of the people who are crazy enough to track those stats closely everyday are actually just crazy in general so the conclusions they draw are that every Nijisanji stream ever has been heavily botted and also youtube is secretly culling HoloEN numbers so the real CCV of all HoloEN streams is actually twice as high as what youtube shows

fucking $$$$$$$$$ doryaaaaaaaa

Btw Hot limit 100k Doryaa ...

>>102643735
Who are you quoting? And not to the same extent in 2025 but both "Niji bots" and "HoloEN cull" are real

>>102643735
Where are you pullin this shit from Sista your ass or Riku's aSs

>>102643726
so you're telling me, it all started falling apart when they got kekson on?

>>102643649
> “We’re just normal streamers
yeah they dont understand the point of vtubers

Can i get a Dorya for yet another Nerillion?

>>102643772
I think before kekson got in they realized they have to reel more prominent utubers or shit is gonna go south

>Vshojo was a piramid scheme
That's pretty funny

I can't count how many REPO streams I've already watched

>>102643853
It's Goro-san though

>>102643802
Nice .. . Next song under hololive records. is gonna dorya more

>>102643772
She was probably their first stepping stone, most of the shit about them being indies came from her after they glazed the absolute shit out of her

Nerissa ticked

>>102640562 (OP)
>>102640576
>>102640641
Kronii love

>Gamble everything on talent freedom hoping to get more holorejects after Kson
>Fail
It was honestly a good gamble

>>102643772
>it all started falling apart when they got kekson on?
I think their change in strategy started when they got those 11M in March 2022 which was coincidentally when kson met GunRun in a completely “accidental” fashion

Actually the transcript of hers “CONS: NOTHING” stream is a gold mine


> 37:07 Kson: That's true too.
>37:28 Kson: So yea, it's a group of super incredible people.
>37:35 Kson: There's a story I told the members last night.
>37:48 Kson: I had a collab I was doing with Melody-chan this one time.
>37:56 Kson: Back when I wasn't in contact with VShojo at all.
>38:00 Kson: I was just collabing with her as a friend.
>38:10 Kson: There was a member of VShojo staff mediating things.
>38:29 Kson: I was preparing things with Melody-chan.
>38:37 Kson: But Discord completely died, for some reason.
>38:47 Kson: Don't know if you remember that time.
>38:56 Kson: I happened to be in contact with Melody-chan at the time.
>39:06 Kson: And was really troubled.
>39:13 Kson: So I reached out through Twitter DMs.
>39:43 Kson: The staff (was actually the CEO) was like, "Oh, okay."
>39:55 Kson: "Discord is down? I'll whip something up similar to Discord."
>39:58 Kson: He did it in 5 mins.
>40:05 Kson: And it could be used to stream.

She then went to say how he said “wanna be the first vtuber in space!?” or something like that, the old song and dance from startup founders in Cali promising the world

>>102643757
>>102643766
looks like its was from /r/vyt

>>102641071
I'm still wondering doesn't explode out of Japan. Do these e-thots gets all this limelight? Vtuber in the west is more niche than niche before miggers and the holo girls going global.

>>102643974
so kekson disclosed how holo somehow operated or how she understood it, gunrun wanted to replicate what kekson knew of holo by that time and tried to improve the formula and it all fell apart

>>102643974
i dont really believe that bullshit story btw

>>102644079(me)
Fucking hate English man .

>>102643974
The making up a program to replace discord in 5 minutes sounds like a mistranslation, he could have just offered to call over any other service but that wouldn't line up with being praised for doing that basic shit

>>102643974
>they're just trying to think of ways to make the vtubing world more interesting
Well their dramatic implosion was certainly one of the most interesting and amusing things in the vtubing world this year

>>102641071
lmao

>>102644081
it won't work because hololive is japanese and weebs fever for japanese.
vtuber :|
vtuber, japan :O

You can only save one vshojo to hololive, who are you saving?

>>102643974

>>102644146
the combination of their implosion and nimi's lore drop revived /vt/

>>102644172
no-one

>>102644172
it's only henya anon

>>102644178
lying through her teeth for money

>>102644172
Nazuna and kson

>>102644172
Henya

>>102643181
this looks like something out of one of those street artists that exaggerate and cartoonify every body trait or quirk of a persob

>>102643974
Here is more on it, from a contemporary transcript
>34:52 Question: What even is VShojo in the first place? What kind of organization is it?
>35:26 Answer: It's a group of incredible tech specialists who love VTuber culture.
>35:40 Kson: They're just simps.
>35:43 Kson: They love VTubers.
>35:46 Kson: They love this industry.
>35:48 Kson: They love anime.
>35:52 Kson: And they know tech.
>35:57 Kson: They're absolute pros.
>36:16 Kson: They told me, "Oh right, this guy made that system."
>36:21 Kson: Totally knocked my socks off.
>36:38 Kson: And these are ppl who absolutely love Japan and the VTuber culture in general.
>36:52 Kson: They pretty much have all their stat points assigned to "tech."

Notice she was trying to sell “I’m still an indie, they’re not a corpo” to the JP audience which was bitter about her “Ill remain independent forever” pledge.

>>102644172
henya. she deserves a non-shit corpo.

>>102644228
caricature is the word youre looking for

All business models except "Idols" for Vtubers failed.
Total idol culture victory.

>>102644238
>>102644178
fuck that bitch man

>>102644212
Where do you even put Henya? JP or EN?

>>102644172
if mint debut in vshojo with idol gen and a month later it collapse
could she have enough pity points to appease niji fandom for a hololive entry?

>>102644216
kekson maybe Tanigox would accept back but Nazuna? you'd have to put a chastity belt on her, put her away in one way locked room in holo hq, and cut of her internet after streaming hours for it to work

>>102644262
Cookie would like a word with you

>>102644287
what does the nijiniggers have to do with hololive and people making it in retard

>>102644238
What were these special systems coded by Gunrun? Were they exclusive for VShojo or was she talking about some form of nightbot or something

>>102644314
>vtuber

>>102644285
it'd be best for her to be in JP but EN would benefit with her in it

>>102644172
henya
>b-but she is a hikk-
the holo workload has always been greatly exaggerated, you have people like luna in there

OUR protagonist.

>>102644172
none, i don't trust any of them

>>102644238
Now, and tying with >>102643974, here is her explanation for her joining (not scouted)

>16:39 Question: Were you scouted?
>16:41 Answer: No.
>16:49 Kson: It's kinda hard to answer this.
>16:54 Kson: I didn't take an audition either.
>17:00 Kson: Nazuna-chan is also an independent, yes.
>17:08 Kson: No, I was not scouted or headhunted.
>17:19 Kson: Oh right, please do NOT clip this stream.
>17:35 Kson: I'm setting that as a ground rule in case there are people who clip things out of context.
>17:48 Kson: My streams are usually clippable, but not this one specifically.
>17:51 Kson: I should put that on stream.
>17:58 Text: Please do not clip this stream.
>18:18 Kson: So, yep, I wasn't scouted.
>18:26 Kson: How this talk came to me is a long story.
>18:33 Kson: I was just doing my own thing, right?
>18:52 Kson: And you saw a bit from my 3D debut the other day that I've been working on a lot of things behind the scenes.
>18:58 Kson: I was looking for a venue for something.
>19:02 Kson: And needed a system for it.
>19:10 Kson: And the owner was someone from VShojo.
>19:20 Kson: Oh wait, let me write this too.
>19:28 Text: Opinions are my own.
>19:33 Kson: That's important too.
>19:49 Kson: So I was like, "Oh, you're from VShojo? Okay. Please take care of me."
>20:04 Kson: I have stuff being released at Comiket, have my pop-up store, etc.
>20:07 Kson: I have lots of stuff.
>20:19 Kson: And I needed something that just happened to be involved with someone from VShojo.
>20:39 Kson: During the process, my manager also exchanged business cards with them.
>20:50 Kson: The other side said, "Oh wow, I'm so impressed with everything you're doing."
>20:58 Kson: And I was like, "Hey, thanks."
>21:12 Kson: So yep, I got in contact completely by coincidence.
>21:19 Kson: I thought, "Wow, such a small world."
>21:45 Kson: They shared what they thought about VTubers, and I realized it was really in line with my own thoughts.
>21:49 Kson: And things took off from there.
>21:54 Kson: So, it's not that I was scouted.
>22:07 Kson: And neither did I knock on their door and go, "Let me join you!"
>22:17 Kson: It's more like, I was doing my own thing, and our paths crossed.
>22:20 Chat: Everything's so vague.
>22:34 Kson: I can't help it, right? Going into any more detail would touch on personal information.
>22:39 Kson: This is the most I can share.
>23:00 Kson: This time, I'm doing my pop-up store in Akihabara MOGRA.
>23:08 Kson: I found it after working around a lot of places in Akiba.
>23:15 Kson: Correction: Not me. Mane-chan did.
>23:19 Kson: Okay, next!
>23:32 Question: When did you decide to join VShojo?
>23:35 Answer: March 2022
>23:52 Kson: I checked my logs in Discord to find this answer.
>24:12 Kson: So yeah, it's not like this was decided all that long ago.
>24:46 Kson: The VShojo staff was like, "We aren't very familiar with the VTuber culture in Japan. Please tell us."
>24:48 Kson: And I obliged.
>24:55 Kson: Yes, March 2022 is when this all started.
>25:10 Kson: Quite sudden.

March 2022 is when they got those 11M. I have this delightful but convoluted theory that the “tech bro” that was lamenting on X about losing 10M on an investment on twitch is from the same crop of crypto kids that were making a fuss during the chinkout and that tried to “buy her contract and IP to free her from Hololive”, and that he followed through and did just that through VShojo in march 2022.

>18:52 Kson: And you saw a bit from my 3D debut the other day that I've been working on a lot of things behind the scenes.
>18:58 Kson: I was looking for a venue for something.
>19:02 Kson: And needed a system for it.
>19:10 Kson: And the owner was someone from VShojo.

>>102644379
they didnt burn it on crypto, they bribed kson, mike and probably other big names in; plus kept paying for shills to promote and defend them everywhere

I have a really hard time continuing believing that kson is the most naive motherfucker in the entire world

Ready for Koushien?

>>102644500
or ironmouse

You should oshi Pillow simply because she's very young and she won't be thinking about certain things for a while.

>>102644570
didnt she do something weird and suspicious about her asmrs recently?

>>102644500
>>102644558
They're master manipulators. When Zen announced her leaving, Ironmouse said on stream she was never leaving Vshojo. That was just a few weeks ago. She was defending it right up till the very end by invalidating the actions and concerns of others saying things like that.

>>102644558
See >>102643438
Why did she send the charity money to vshojo? (she didn't)

>>102644630
That's because IronMouse is inherently egocentric. She originally planned to grift 50% off all donations during her fundraiser subathon. Why do you think her original fundraiser was going to vshojo rather than to the IDF directly?

>>102644619
No? All she did was remove ASMR from her name but still continues to make them

>>102644172
>You can only save one vshojo to hololive, who are you saving?
I save no one

>>102644831
>Why do you think her original fundraiser was going to vshojo rather than to the IDF directly?
why?

>>102644475
That’s not what I said. I genuinely believe crypto kids burned 11M on VShojo to “save” kson

>>102642479
this just looks like they offered Lily a Cover-inspired contract, without being able to offer anything Cover provides

>>102644733
yeah that's a pretty questionable hole in this situation
vshojo doesn't take subs or donation, why does this one go through them?

>>102643649
>>“You can be yourself and you can have a relationship
I guess they tempted Nimi with this one

>>102644134
Kson is just easily impressed. He probably used teamspeak or ventrilo and it blew her mind.

>>102644937
Because ironmouse said so and gunrun ran off with $500k of her money

>>102644172
Nyanners

she would fit right in

>>102644172
Saba

>>102644937
it didn't, ironmouse still have the donation money.
she just expected vshojo to make the donation using her unpaid share of merch money, and accuse them of robbing her when they financially can't.
good thing for her, the drama exploded and her new donation drive can easily cover her promised "donation" and then some more.

>>102644172
Nazuna

I was without internet for 18 hours, what did I miss

?

>>102644937
Because Vshojo wanted to inflate their revenue to look like they’re profitable because IM was always planning to pocket half of it (she flat out said so) and donate the other half. It was a subathon, not a pure donation drive.

>>102645109
What's your deal? Stop using Kronii. >>102644321

>>102644570
She will eventually get married and the cuckycle continue

>>102644570
>She's very young
You have my attention now. How young we talking?

>>102644172
Peke.

>>102645068
I'll be completely honest in the fact that do people even fucking own Ironmouse merch?

>>102645068
>>102645110
good for her to do her due diligence
just a shame that this whole thing hinges on mouse saying something, no one else is willing to take a bullet
now we just need to wait for vshojo side

>>102645110
why would ironmouse do that though instead of just donating half the money directly? especially when she knew that vshojo has cashflow issues

>>102644913
She wanted 50% of all donation. https://youtu.be/rZZNMqkrjD4 . If you direct it to the charity directly, it becomes impossible. That's how Mori+Biboo, Ame and Nimi all did it. IM didn't

>>102645326
she empowered every other chuba to come out or what

>>102641790
So what we current have this year is
>Draft stream increase from 227,715 to 280,906 (+23.3%). A new record high.
>Pre-tournament stream increase from 65,968 to 85,815 (+32%), but still 15.4% lower than their peak and 8.9% lower than the 2nd best.
We also have a funny graph that they got this peak with. Does anyone know what happened there? It's an odd thing to see happen after 35 minutes of the viewship bleeding

>>102640562 (OP)
This

>>102644937
Ironmouse's story seems very flimsy. Half a million dollars disappeared? It was money she alone was handling. I'm sure the company was fucking up finances as well, but unless they can produce a paper trail of where exactly that 500k went, then I'm inclined to think Ironmouse simply pocketed it.

>>102645383
She doesn't need to have it through vshojo if she wants to pocket half the donations.
My suspicion is that she never did send any of that money to vshojo and expect them to make the donation out of the unpaid payments they owed her.
They obviously can't do that because they have no such money and ironmouse spins it as them stealing the donation money while she kept every cents from her subathon to pay for her #829 new live2D

>>102645068
Is that how that works? Surely she still has to pay the original donation drive's amount. It seems crazy that you can just do two charity drives and keep the money from one.

>>102645404
That didn't explain why it have to go through vshojo though.
She can just donate it directly after she collected the funds from twitch.

>>102645233
21 or 22.

>>102645494
That makes a lot of sense. So Ironmouse feels like she's in the right even though she's stealing charity money, because she mental gymnastics that it's actually her money.

>>102644570
That only works if she's 10 or below

>>102645499
She wanted to maintain anonymity and have vshojo donate it on her behalf iirc

Two threads?
Cuck and uncucked #?

>>102645448
some jap internet provider had an outage, nothing out of ordinary

>>102645404
>person who wanted 50% of charity donations ends up taking 100% of it.
the greed...

>>102645589
which pill would you take anon

>>102645499
She claimed she was unable to keep her donation promise because she alleged that vshojo "steals" the money, that's why she makes another donation drive defrauding millions of dollars from the internet instead of paying them herself out of her half of the donation or whatever other source of revenue she has that she used to commission dozens of expensive rigs every year.

>>102645404
how can she get better metrics if it didn't go through her after all

Why hasn't there been any cross-branch box game lately?

>>102645541
>Very young
>In her 20's
Once again I am disappointed by an indie.

>>102645578
You can donate directly and maintain your anonymity anon. there's literally zero reason to do it through a failing company with millions of debts and cashflow issues (which she is fully aware of, since she herself have unpaid payments from them)

>>102645654
Other than fucking REPO?

>>102645635
Whats

>>102645578
>anonymity
>By making a big stream about it
...

>>102645684
she's 19

So when is Pekora's 3D Live?

>>102645654
MC in August, Miko announced it a while ago. EN are all busy preparing for AFO, among other stuff.

>>102645755
no announcement of new date yet

>>102645654
Holo scum soon

>Saba unfollowed Nimi

>>102645621
I can understand not wanting to pay the money if someone else is supposed to, but some things are way too suspicious.
>she chose a method specifically to let herself keep half the money.
>she does a "make up" donation drive as if she's hoping the charity won't ask too many questions if they get that money instead.
>she's vaguely complaining about vshojo instead of going after the specific person she supposedly transferred the money to.

>>102645915
proof?

>>102645654
Because the JPs are afraid of meeting fucking iofi and being dragged into her homo hell

>>102645501
Add Shiori coward

>>102645740
She’s scared of her real name being exposed, which makes me wonder how she’ll hide it when she sues vshojo.

>>102645936
It came to me in a dream that could be a vision of the future or a darker present

>>102640922
This is just normal marketing budget for corpos. You could argue it's a bad or risky decision but let's stop astroturfing it as a horrendous decision for any vtuber company to make.

>>102645459
from what I read, she did pocket all the subathon money but vshojo owe her at least that much. so she told vshojo to do it for her
now this part is a bit murky
I'm guessing if she donated the promised amount she's basically home free
but using this scandal for another donation drive is muddying the case

iirc she also did an audit of her finance recently
I'm guessing that's when people start to leave
panini or other staff must've tipped off zen, geega and matara
the staff know that the jig is finally up

>>102640562 (OP)
who the fuck is this

>>102645930
Whatever it is that ironmouse did, she didn't violate any contract or laws.
You could argue she might be defrauding the public by making a donation drive from a deceptive context or maybe defaming vshojo/gunrun by claiming they rob her when what they did was merely not being able to pay her share of merch revenues.

>>102641180
she streamed for six and went mia. She got a nendroid deal, a free model, and a 3D live.
She fucked vshojo and not the otehr way around.

>>102646045
They use it as a straw man to avoid acknowledging how bad the EN market really is.

>>102645494
This is a deeply retarded theory because if it was true Gunrunner could simply have showed up with the proof instead of GunRunning away while his company disintegrated

>>102646045
they haven't established a good foothold in JP scene why waste money on that shit when you could focus on your EN first and have a stable flow of money then slowly make a JP market, no need to go ham on advertising when you only had kekson on you

Nimi sucking her husband cock rn

>>102645740
Her name and address you dumbfuck

>>102645408
I hope she did and more keep doing this, it's hilarious

>>102646088
she's good at fucking over people, that's her forte

>>102645963
yopi retired from MC again because of motion sickness, in case you didn't know

>>102646045
I mean... It is a horrendous decision for English company to do AD in English for English vtubers on Japanese subway.

>>102646033
You can anonymize you name in court. It will then become
>X v Vshojo.inc

>>102646045
>half a million dollars
>normal
You are absurd no it isn't

>>102646077
I think it falls under fraud since she was using the charity's name.

>>102646045
Well for one thing Hololive is profitable and has been for years.
For another Hololive didn’t plaster ads about how well their talent are treated the day after the black stream

>>102646134
>no need to go ham on advertising when you only had kekson on you
the jp marketing was way before coco's graduation. get your fact straight

>>102646058
>she did pocket all the subathon money but vshojo owe her at least that much. so she told vshojo to do it for her
That's not how it works though, you can't just expect someone to pay something for you just because they owe you money.
If that's the case then it was ironmouse herself who stole the donation money. lucky for her though she managed to gaslit the internet to pay it for her instead

>>102646200
yes anon they organized everything the day that happened. a whole operation that involves a lot of people centered around something that happened in hololive wow.

Any lore drop lately?

>>102646206
don't kid yourself, she was already in bed with them anon they just haven't officially announced it by that point

>>102640922
im confused at what the marketing point of this even was.
>look at our talent freedom! join us today!
like thats obviously not it so whats the point of these? they dont even have the name of the talent there

>>102643181
This was never sold in vshojo store. It's a fan art.

>>102646206
even that is questionable now

>>102646264
she's crashing out over all the ntr jokes everyone else saw coming

I was on a camping trip for a few days so I just found out about the news... So uh FauMeibros? Best HoloEN ship? lmao

>>102646058
I'm almost certain that's the case. She inappropriately extracted the money Vshojo owed her by keeping the donation money.
In which case, Gunrun can probably win a case against her.

>>102646340
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu mommy cuck me?

>>102646370
Are VShojo paying you or something?

How are my fellow Holochads doing this fine morning?

>>102646241
I think that lines up pretty well. She kept the donation money because "Vshojo owes me" and then did a 2nd charity drive to sweep it under the rug and not feel guilty.

>>102646370
I mean, not really. It was still embezzlement. But nor would IM win because she commited charity fraud

>>102646241
thats the murky part
it seems like she could throw hands with vshojo without dragging IDF with her

Oh the other thread died, so the cuckposter is here now, fun.

>>102646482
>embezzlement
elaborate

>>102646496
She made that second donation drive to keep IDF happy and vouch for her in court

>>102646482
Yeah, but they're two separate cases. Like, Ironmouse can still legally demand that Vshojo pays her, but she's also going to get bent over if it turns out she was treating the charity money as her owed money.

>>102646370
there's 2 possible case here in that scenario
>IDF suing ironmouse for using their charity name for fraud
Shouldn't be an issue since IDF gets their payday from the second donation drive.

>Gunrun/Vshojo suing ironmouse for defamation by alleging they rob her of donation money
Most likely what is happening right now since kson wasnt able to talk anything remotely regarding that topic when she grilled the vshojo JP CEO, citing that theres an ongoing legal case whenever chat brought it up.

https://x.com/CL207/status/1947911415651512533

>>102646482
>>102646513
Like, it's impossible to force someone to donate for you over prior non-payments of that entity to you, which are the embezzled payments (merch, concerts, etc.). That's only possible if it is an contracatual established supply chain.
>example raw material > car part > car door > car. If the car company doesn't pay the car door company, the car door company can force the car company to pay the car part company. It's more complicated but I simplified it
While IM probably had an agreement with the IDF over the donation, it is unlikely that Vshojo had direct ties in it. So it would not be held in court tht Vshojo was to donate 500k to the IDF over non-payments to IM

>>102646652
Sure, but IDF won't charge her because they are happy they get the second donation

The chargeback went through bros
I'm free at last praise the lord I'm free at last

>>102646707 (me)
EXCEPT if Vshojo made an estopple.

>>102646736
???

>>102646707
>embezzled payments (merch, concerts, etc.).
how are these embezzled? vshojo was unable to pay their talents because they are simply unprofitable to my knowledge.

https://x.com/MidnightSkyl1ne/status/1948386044690518246
https://x.com/MidnightSkyl1ne/status/1948386044690518246
https://x.com/MidnightSkyl1ne/status/1948386044690518246
damn, even non-slop artists are getting on the train

>>102646771
I woke up from the nightmare and am no longer napping

>>102646817
cucklings...

>>102646370
there's no case retard, which is why Gunrun is living up to his fucking name rn, lmao

>>102646817
That is going to be wretched isn't it

>>102646857
omedetou

>>102646817
I actually feel so bad for naplings
This is their reality now...

>>102646878
He's lawyering up to sue ironmouse for defamation, anything negative happening that negatively affect his reputation can be used as damages when ironmouse lose the lawsuit.

>>102646878
There is when the subathon for charity was under Ironmouse's name. And as far as what vshojo had advertised talents take 100% of subs and donos none of that supposed money ear marked for the IDF ever made it to Vshojo's coffers

>>102646370
Nah, he's fucked. Even if Mouse (as expected) pocketed the money, he can't do shit, so she'll get away with it.

>>102646923
>He's lawyering up
with what money I wonder

>>102646857
congrats anon, it's easy to find yourself trapped in a toxic relationship out of sunk investment but you overcome it.

>>102646817
Niggas unironically sitting in the /trash/ cuck thread waiting for material Jesus Christ man

>>102646949
Vshojo CEO salary money for the past 5 years of course, California law states that those have to be paid before any external liabilities.

>>102646811
Lets assume
>vtuber invests 5k in merch
>Vshojo invests 5k in merch
>total investment is 10k in merch . Split 50/50. Expected revenue 20k. expected profit is 10k
>Vshojo: all payments go through me
>turns out Revenue is only 4k, instead of 20k
It would then be embezzlement for Vshojo to say
>well i invested 5k. To reduce my losses i will take all 4k.
Which is what happened. What is supposed to happen is
>invested risk is 50/50, outcome risk is 50/50. Vshojo takes 2k, Vtuber takes 2k

Huh, weird

>>102646891
Going by the last few threads they're happy with it, don't feel bad for them

>>102645635
Saba is the husband...

>>102646941
He can sue ironmouse for defaming him/vshojo. the lost contracts with all their talents in the past few days just adds to the damages that ironmouse deceptive allegations create.

>>102646062
Korean novel female lead

Gunrun is definitely lawyering up and I woudnt be surprised if they start to air out dirty laundry of the vtubers to combat the narrative.
Its ikey how the Vtubers who promoted the agency at every turn are trying to wash their hands by playing victim. Like 2 dozen people got fucked by this agency out of millions of dollers and the all mighty free outspoken independent creators didnt know nufinn?
Gtfo these people are just trying to save their own skin.

>>102647108
Yeah that would be true, I doubt the vshojo talents invests anything for the merch productions though. especially when they are made to order confirmed by henya when she realized that her anniversary merchs hasn't even been processed let alone shipped.

>>102647154
Hypothetically if that was real and found out what do you think would happen with all the fanart?

>>102647144
youtube 680k artificial ceiling, everyone knows this newfag

>>102647182
He's going to pull a wactor?

>>102646045
>but let's stop astroturfing it as a horrendous decision for any vtuber company to make.
I'll go even further: it was the SECOND MOST RETARDED AND TONE DEAF attempt of marketing a vtuber company in the whole history of vtubing.
Now you might ask "which one was the first?*.

WELL........
>webm related
VShojo advertising their concert to the Japanese audience with an allusion to an atomic mushroom cloud, in the very day of the anniversary of the Nagasaki bombing!
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Yes, they're THIS retarded.

>>102647251
Okay, however, the vtuber (Henya) is the IP owner. So even if the merch flops, then the IP owner would still be partially investing their asset (their IP) into the merch and thus be entitled to a part of the revenue split

>>102647182
Mowtendoo and Mel acting as though they knew absolutely nothing is really stupid when they've been there since day 1

>>102647144
She had decent momentum before. Well rip

>>102647182
I hope he scorched earth and throw everyone(even him) to oven

>>102647252
Dooby cuck memes...

>>102647144
Yes very weird, the well documented, expected result is beginning after such an announcement.

>>102647287
Eh the fucking English ads in japan is more ridiculous

>>102647311
Yeah they're co-founders and they definitely knew the dire strait the company has been in for the last 3 years in terms of cashflow.
They're just saving their skins by acting ignorant