Thread 102646464

/vt/.. Its Vtuber not Vidol. Why re these unicorns & cucks claiming Vtuber Culture = Idol Culture, and throwing tantrum like a 5 yo when their streamer reveal that they re in a relationship. Take it easy & gsh

>>102646464 (OP)
Hololive and its consequences. Unicorns will keep doing this, and their "idol" streamers will keep coming out about this.
The options are to emotionally distance yourself such that this doesn't bother you (like a normal person,) or find someone you're willing to get burned by in the eventuality that they pair off publicly or otherwise.
Unicorns have no hope and will get fucked every time tho lol

Every road leads to idol

>>102646464 (OP)
By this retarded ass definition annoying orange is a also vtuber. Newfags don't even know why it has "tuber" in the name in the first place.

>>102646464 (OP)
I wouldn't call a woman LARPing as an anime girl "Virtual"

>>102646780
Alright Mr.Widehead care to explain why it has "tuber" In the name?

>>102646780
Kek, you weren't here when /vt/ started

>>102646464 (OP)
>you don't get it, THEY MADE HER DO IT

>>102646947
Correct, I was here when it was /jp/. Fuck off newfag

>>102646995
Im not talking about her specifically but in general

>>102646933
Because the person that came up with that name was an anonymous youtuber that role played as an anime virtual character, hence Vtuber.
All the e-thots and whores that call themselves vtubers when they're not even roleplaying an anime character and just stream as themselves on twitch are not vtubers both by the concept of how vtubing started and by the technical definition of of the name itself.

>>102646780
Annoying Orange is a vtuber
Any old internet ragesona used more than once is a vtuber
Hololive members are vtubers
Deal with it

>>102646995
It might come as a shock to some, but you don't have to adhere to retarded 90s jp "idol culture" faggotry to call yourself an idol these days. Especially in fucking vtubing that is only tangentially related. Yagoo and Hololive are the pioneers of this btw.

>>102647063
No u "Oldfag"./jp/ still exist, wtf re you doing over here

>>102647093
There's nothing to deal with retardchama, words have meanings and definitions for a reason. If you start diluting every term and twist it into something it's not then words simply won't have any meaning anymore.

>>102647063
No you weren't. Annoying orange was all over this place.

>>102647159
>words have meanings and definitions
And th definition of a vtuber is in the OP, you don't seem to like it.

>>102647227
Hence why i said that by that retarded definition annoying orange would be considered a vtuber, when the concept of vtubing has zero relevancy with him both culturaly and aesthetically. It's simply a diluted version of what vtubing is and how it came to be, if you take it away you won't have vtubers anymore you'd simply have something that's not any different or unique than normal streamers that stream with a 2D avatar rather than a webcam.

>>102647130
>you don't have to be a woman to call yourself a woman these days
ok tranny

>>102647087
Man yap a whole lot and explain nothing new. Name Vtuber made by virtual youtuber.

>>102647357
So words have definitions, but (you) are the authority on what those definitions should be?
That is called schizophrenia, anon.
>you won't have vtubers
>normal streamers that stream with a 2D avatar rather than a webcam
aka vtubers
>>102647364
>trannies out of nowhere
go dilate, noone's talking to you

>>102647382
>Answer is in the very first line
I know reading comprehension from newfag tourists is at an all time low but now you're just embarrassing yourself on top of it.

>>102647512
>but (you) are the authority on what those definitions should be?
When I said
>Because the person that came up with that name was an anonymous youtuber that role played as an anime virtual character, hence Vtuber.
Just how fucking stupid are you? Do you also disagree with other peoples definitions and ideas that they came up with and popularized?

>>102647512
you are reasoning just like one right now. not my fault you're too much of a delusional tranny to even realize.

>>102646464 (OP)
>>102646653
They aren't idols, but the rules for vtubers should be even stricter than those for idols

>>102646464 (OP)
They're desperately trying to remain relevant in an industry that has long since left them behind.

>>102647633
She never gave a definition of a vtuber as someone playing "as an anime virtual character", that is your interpretation. The generally accepted definition is something close to the OP. If you disagree with a generally accepted definition - that's your problem, cry more. That's how words and definitons work.
>>102647796
>go dilate, noone's talking to you

>>102647803
>the rules
oh, got it! let me know how the vtuber police goes, dude! god, I fucking hate when 20-something women do what 20-something women do. guess I'll go watch my favorite 20-something e-girl and forget about it!
Level with me anon, how the fuck would you even possibly enforce this vtuber sharia law? Burn offenders at the stake? Brand them and their models with a scarlet letter upon violation of your sacred law? Come on, tell me about your ideal chudcel e-state.

Why are post new Vtuber fans so annoying? Go watch those with boyfriends if you like that so much

>>102647951
As far as I am aware Hololive, the idol vtuber company, is still thriving

>>102647996
>If you are not a virgin, or if you have ever been in a relationship, you're not allowed to stream using a cartoon avatar
It's not that difficult. And we've done it before too in various instances, like criminal record preventing you from becoming a cop

>>102647967
This is not my interpretation retardchama, this is how Kizuna Ai popularized Vtubing as a concept and also a big reason why Hololive is the leading vtuber company in the industry.
You are literally like the kind of faggots that call any open world hack and slash game a souls-like, just a retard that doesn't have any critical thinking or respect for the community or culture and try to twist everything into terms you don't even fully understand or know the origin of.

>>102648130
> idol vtuber company
lmao, they're a pop singer vtuber company. 90% of their talents would be kicked out of any idol group for their behaviour, and as time goes on, they're only going further away from it.

Hello SEA here. Why are you people from first world countries so mentally distressed that you seek escape by becoming low-life parasocials (and sometimes betrayed), despite the fact that you have advanced infrastructure, entertainment, facilities, and public spaces.You guys are rich right? You should be more grateful for your lives!

What I mean is, I think that even without a partner, people can still do many things besides just dedicating themselves as gachikoi, especially in first world countries. Morover, when it comes to Vtubers, which is something so difficult to imagine that it's impossible to truly win their love.

>>102646653
Nimi was selling herself as pure idol all the way down
don't try to deny reality

>>102648380
Because all of that shit is crumbling and only available to a steadily shrinking share of the population. The middle class is dying and if you're not at least middle class, you can't afford the good life. People run into escapism because the world is going to shit.

>>102648380
>Why are you people from first world countries so mentally distressed that you seek escape by becoming low-life parasocials
Lack of relationships. Take a look at the birth rates. As quality of life increases, so does the loneliness

>>102648380
Humans are incapable of living in peace when there are no wars or struggles that bind them together, so we just look for things to fight about like politics or ideologies and slowly crumble away until a new disaster pops up.

>>102647967
>keeps ignoring reality
another typical tranny feature. i'm starting to think you might actually be one.

>>102646464 (OP)
>uses wikipedia as the backbone of his argument

>>102648176
and I assume you'd be in charge of virgin-verifying hymen inspections, right? be sure to write your local congressman anon! I'm sure that this would *fly* through legislation!
>>102648464
never watched her but pretty sure she was open about having a bf as lemonleaf. I don't really see how I'm denying reality by accepting that young, socially-gregarious and functional women are almost certainly going to end up having romantic relationships without some kind of contract. maybe you can partner up with this >>102648176
guy and get something done, idk

>>102648225
This is your interpretation of what is included in the term, moron. Kizuna Ai was a youtuber with virtual avatar. She was playing an anime character. She (the person behind) was also a Japanese woman, probably black haired and right-handed (doesn't matter). Her avatar had blue eyes and a pink ribbon. This is how she popularized Vtubing. Why don't you include that in your defintion? In any case you argument here is with dictionaries and wikipedia, not with me.
And Hololive isn't even doing "the Kizuna Ai", the fuck are you talking about?
>>102648608
Reality is you should get your pseudovagina out of here.

>>102648649
even worse, that looks like ai quoting wikipedia

>>102648779
>and I assume you'd be in charge of virgin-verifying hymen inspections, right? be sure to write your local congressman anon! I'm sure that this would *fly* through legislation!
If we can prove rape tens of years later it happened, we can prove virginity too. All it takes is one partner to spill the beans. And in most cases, the threat of a punishment is enough to keep the bad apples away from vtubing.

>>102646780
>>102647063
annoying orange isn't more of a virtual avatar than any fleshy content creator obscuring parts of their face. it's literally the guy's face on top of a fruit. that doesn't make it an avatar. this shit has somehow been "discussed" for years and you still couldn't figure this out. talking about handicap

>>102646464 (OP)
Nimicucks suddenly care about the definition of vtubers.

>>102646780
>>102647093
You can't be a vtuber if you don't call yourself a vtuber.
You can fit every definition but if don't label yourself as a vtuber, then you aren't one.

>>102648969
Wouldn't it be the people that dislike Nimi?

>>102648948
It's not even an orange "generated using computer graphics", it's a picture of an IRL fruit

>>102648788
it's ok saptranny, i'm sure your mommy will accept for who you are. as long as you keep filling her and her husband's wallets, of course

>>102648788
>(the person behind)
This is where you're wrong faggot, that's the core issue with your retarded logic. The person behind Kizuna Ai IS NOT Kizuna Ai, Kizuna Ai is just a character she's playing, that's like saying that the puppet of a puppeteer is playing is the puppeteer himself.
>And Hololive isn't even doing "the Kizuna Ai", the fuck are you talking about?
Why do you think Hololive exploded in popularity in 2019 exactly? You really think it was because people saw Hololive talents and enjoyed the huma itself and not the character they were playing?

>>102648897
It's amazing how some guys get cucked by one girl and immediately spit on the concept of universal rights. Go move to Afghanistan.

>>102648788
>(the person behind)
This is where you're wrong faggot, that's the core issue with your retarded logic. The person behind Kizuna Ai IS NOT Kizuna Ai, Kizuna Ai is just a character she's playing, that's like saying that the puppet a puppeteer is playing is the puppeteer himself.
>And Hololive isn't even doing "the Kizuna Ai", the fuck are you talking about?
Why do you think Hololive exploded in popularity in 2019 exactly? You really think it was because people saw Hololive talents and enjoyed the human behind the character and not the character they were playing?

>>102649013
There's this little thing called reality, I know, I don't like it either, but we gotta accept it.
Things aren't something because of the words we use, they are because they are.

>>102649103
Pure cope from an orangelet like you
Lmaoing at you right now.

>>102648969
Wow wow wow, relax yourself a little. I know reading is hard since you have a brain of a elementary school. Going tunnel vision is not good for you. How am i a cuck when i dont have one sided parasocial relationship to a vtuber? You sure you're not projecting yourself here?

>>102646464 (OP)
You are moral grandstanding on a dying website populated by undiagnosed psychiatric patients, cartoon gooners, and social rejects.
You're so noble and remarkable you know that?
fucking seanigger

>>102649200
>The person behind Kizuna Ai IS NOT Kizuna Ai
Never said she is. You can't even read, let alone use logic. Why is "person playing the character must be a japanese woman" not a part of your definiton?
>You really think it was because people saw Hololive talents and enjoyed the human behind the character
Yes. They don't even play some random characters, just a slightly "fictonalized" versions of themselves. Same as flesh streamers.

>>102649167
There are a lot worse human right violations than not being able to use a cartoon avatar in every country. Many of the most civilized countries in the world still have conscription, which is literally legal slavery. Some minor regulations to vtubing is nothing, especially when they would protect the most vulnerable people in our society.

>>102649205
Well no, "Vtuber" is a label. If someone wants to stream with a still .png as an avatar and call themselves a vtuber, then that's their prerogative. The opposite is true too, if someone wants to stream with a fully rigged live2d avatar and doesn't want to be called a vtuber, that's fine too.

>>102649471
>Um akctually!
You're a mongrel

>>102649205
Are you a zlurp? What the reality of that?

>>102649528
Doesn't sound like you're interested in having a dialogue at all and are here just for the insults

>>102646464 (OP)
t. cuckling

>>102646464 (OP)
Because Kizuna AI you dumb newfaggot

>>102649452
>Why is "person playing the character must be a japanese woman" not a part of your definiton?
Because that's not the point dumbass, the point is the playing pretend itself and how her acting like an interactive anime character popularized and spread the idea of vitubing as a media for people that watch anime.
>They don't even play some random characters
>See's an anime character with a cute voice acting like an animefied version of a dog and being silly like a dog
>Same as flesh streamers
You really are that stupid huh

>>102647364
you will never be an idol

>>102648247
Do you think idol can't swear or something? Let's not pretend that you're an expert in idol that you know every idol group to make that claim, what kind of authority do you have to say Hololive isn't idol group when they call themselves idol?

>>102646464 (OP)
Cuckling, no one has said vtubers are idols. Nimi should stop marketing herself as idol since she isnt one anymore.

>>102649715
Your statement is just about as stupid as 'There's starving children in Africa!' when someone doesn't eat all their food. Trying to compare entertainment with what is likely secomd or third world tier laws is fucking insane.

>>102649964
>how her acting like an interactive anime character popularized and spread the idea of vitubing
Again, the importance of it being a fictional anime character vs a virtual avatar is just your interpretation. She said she's virtual youtuber because she has a 2D/3D virtual body.
>See's an anime character with a cute voice acting like an animefied version of a dog and being silly like a dog
And who would be that character? Korone does not act like an animefied version of a dog.

>>102650125
what kind of authority do you have to say Fauna isn't an idol when she calls herself idol?

>>102649200
Hololive literally recruited niconico fleshies to do the same shit but with an anime avatar.

>>102650240
The point is that modern countries have countless of laws that are violations of human rights, but which are necessary for the greater good. I agree that requiring virginity for vtubers by law might be considered a human right violation, but we really do have to do it, as shown by the fallout of the nimi case. It will help a ton of people and it'll make the society better. Vtubers who don't like it can always stream without an anime avatar

>>102650586
You are being too obvious, anon

>>102650283
Why are you deflecting to Fauna? I don't care if she calls herself idol so long she actually put the effort in singing and dancing which she doesn't even do the bare minimum in Hololive, because that's the basic foundation of idol, not something arbitrary like "behavior"

>>102650624
I'm not trolling if that's what you're saying. Vtubing will be regulated eventually in some way

>>102650753
Ok, I think I've confused you with someone else, sorry.

>>102650244
https://youtu.be/yXYaZcs9Gao

All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. Hololive is not normal vtuber. though It's ridiculous that Moron meltdown with Nimi because she's no longer a Hololive girl, you shouldn't have any expectation about her. i hope one day hololive would come out clear that all graduate can never return. a graduate that return is meaningless.

I should have just been watching annoying orange all along. He would never betray me.

>>102650586
Your incel fantasies are really getting out of hand, anon. You need to remember that society doesn't give a shit about incels.

>>102646653
Oh don't you worry, holofags are going to be burnt by this the most. I'm not giving this industry more than a few years until it gets so overrun by 3d whores double dipping that cover investors will smell the money and force them to do the same.
The JP branch might be able to argue against, but in the EN one they'll be forced to camwhore or graduate.

Holofags believe that their favorite vtubers are the perfect idols and character role-players, surpassing any other idol or voice actor. This is not surprising at all since everytime you meet them, they would like openly make such hate speech and look down on any other idols, streamers, utaite, artists, Vtubers, and content creators. They forget that their favorite vtubers can only ride on the coattails of those genres.

What the fuck are you fags arguing about?
The only reason shit is muddied is because Holo is the undisputed biggest player in the scene, and because Holo is explicitly an idol company and was the hopping on point for the majority of the fandom, the idol stuff they're into bleeds into the rest of the scene through cultural osmosis because everyone covets their success and are influenced by them in various ways, even if just in a cargo cult fashion

>>102652915
Holo is not explicitly an idol company. They don't explicitly claim it anywhere. They are a vtuber agency sometimes doing idol stuff. According to them, not me.

>>102653184
maybe implicitly would be the better term then
it would be more retarded to say Hololive /isn't/ an idol company after all

>>102653263
It is not. It is a vtuber agency sometimes doing idol stuff.

>>102653348
They specialize in idol stuff in the scene, you could make an argument for them being implicitly an idol company, as I am now

>>102651973
hehe cope

>>102652915
That's a good theory. Except Hololive, despite talking a lot abot idols, doesn't really uphold the "idol culture" retardation faggots are screeching about.

>>102651971
To be fair, society doesn't give a shit about anyone unless you're rich or artificially famous. So, incel or not, nobody cares about that anon.

>>102653616
yeah but that's exactly what i mean about the cargo cult

>>102646464 (OP)
Coz you newfag tourist fuckers need to understand that this niche hobby will remain a niche hobby if not for holo exploding it's popularity. Everything about vtubing going into where it is now is tied to hololive girls which is virtual fucking idols. Hololive and on jp niji owned this hobby and you monkeys should stop pretending that people like mouse or whoever boring e thot from a shit website like twitch helps this community grow.

>>102653184
Hololive is idol company
they talk about supporting their talents idol activities and used idol tagline on number of events

>>102646464 (OP)
Imagine unironically quoting Wilkipedia as a reliable source. LOL.

>>102654238
That doesn't make them an idol company. What is an idol company in your opinion anyway?

>>102646464 (OP)
People are allowed to have their preferences. People are also allowed to turn themselves into lolcows by having public meltdowns over those preferences (or faking public meltdowns, since people are obsessed with clout and attention even on an anonymous image board).
No point in correcting them. Just milk the lulz as you would any other.

>>102650762
It's more likely to be regulated out of existence than regulating the sexual choices of the people doing it.

>Hololive will always be on the top
>Hololive will always be the standard for success
>Idol culture will always shun whores
>western culture will never defeat the superior asian culture
>Idol culture will always thrive long term
>Idol culture will always win by doing cute things only

Competition will come and go, they might have brief succes sometimes. But, never forget, in the end
IT'S HOLOLIVE OR NOTHING

>>102657113
>Hololive does not support idol culture

>>102646464 (OP)
Probably 80% of those posts are made by the same people who write shit like this: https://thefederalist.com/2025/07/24/how-reddit-destroyed-mainstream-american-culture/

They're not actual unicorns, they're not into nor do they understand idol culture, and they're not actually being truthful. They're shit-stirrers who hate vtubing and vtubers, and they know that it's easiest to act like a lolcow on 4chan where anonymity lets them spam stupid shit.

>>102657456
retard

>>102646464 (OP)
>>102646653
anti unicorns are all hololive ID fans who watch Kobo and Ollie and speak the same language as Kobo and Ollie