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BPD and ecstasy, conceited with low self-esteem
She's a teenage dream if you hate yourself
Bright dyed hair and obnoxious clothes
Thinks communism is the way to go
She's a whore, a hole, a dime-a-dozen Jezebel
Fluored mind and SSRIs
A thousand-yard stare for all those guys
That she fucked and sucked before you came along
Retarded views on politics
Likes to listen to shitty music
She drinks and smokes and tokes out of a dirty bong
She saw Ramona Flowers
And felt so empowered
By a movie made
In Hollywood
It's sad to think she's someone's daughter
Like a lamb to the slaughter
But honestly I'd still hit if I could
BPD and ecstasy, 30 years old, but acts like she's 16
Likes to go to shows 'cause she's so fucking cool
Bright dyed hair but dead inside
Plan-B lifetime supply
She's a whore, a hole, gave head since middle school
Only pedophiles in denial
Think she's anything worth while
Her third-eye lifestyle will drive you wild
She's an alcoholic loser bitch
That likes to listen to shitty music
She drinks and smokes and tokes and chokes on dick
She saw Ramona Flowers
And felt so empowered
By a movie made
In Hollywood
It's sad to think she's someone's daughter
Like a lamb to the slaughter
But honestly I'd still hit if I could
She saw Ramona Flowers
And felt so empowered
By a movie made
In hollywood
It's sad to think she's someone's daughter
Like a lamb to the slaughter
But honestly I'd still hit if I could

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking
>https://vt.poi.cat/

Hololive sites
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://holo-spotify-stats.jirikunes.eu/

Twitch sites
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/
>https://streamscharts.com/

https://files.catbox.moe/szn0jp.mp4

There has been an uptick in actual communists lately in response to the vshitshow

>>102652762
>soccer is what the english called it until their inferiority complex to america kicked in and they changed it
It is, "association football" colloquially called "soccer" but in 2025 it's an easy way to catch burgers larping as euros

1. The Idol vs. Streamer Business Model
The fundamental difference lies in the public-facing identity of the two agencies.

Hololive's "Idol" Model: Hololive Production brands itself as an "idol company." This comes with the baggage and benefits of traditional Japanese idol culture. Fans expect the talents to maintain a certain image of purity, wholesomeness, and dedication to their audience. This creates a strong, often parasocial, bond where fans feel they are supporting a journey of personal growth and "purity." The content is often focused on the "Cute Girls Doing Cute Things" (CGDCT) anime trope.
Nijisanji's "Streamer" Model: Nijisanji, on the other hand, positions its members as "Livers" (live streamers), not idols. This gives them far more creative freedom and a less restrictive public persona. The content is often more chaotic, edgy, and unscripted. This style is less about maintaining a pristine image and more about being a genuine, if sometimes messy, entertainer. This approach directly clashes with the expectations of fans who want a polished, idol-like experience.

>>102652718
soon i hope

>>102652523
And yet there are other boards from EU/AUS/US conventions posted on replies/quotes of that that are mostly consistent in terms dot counts. Like >>102652553 said, it's not a rep board it's mostly "which silly stuff would you do with your oshi" so why is he bitching that entrants feel like they want to do stuff with X Holo and not CC?

>>102652962
based

>>102652962
kek

2. Mixed-Gender Collaborations and the "Unicorn" Fan
This is one of the most significant sources of conflict for "unicorn" fans.

The Unicorn's Ideal: A "unicorn" is a fan who wants their favorite female VTuber to avoid any significant, on-screen interactions with male talents. This desire stems from the Japanese idol culture's emphasis on "purity" and the "girlfriend experience," where the idol is perceived as "available" to their fanbase. For these fans, a mixed-gender collaboration can "break the illusion" and ruin the parasocial relationship they have with the talent.
Nijisanji's Reality: Nijisanji has a large roster of both male and female talents, and mixed-gender collaborations are a standard, frequent part of their content. The agency actively promotes and encourages interactions between its male and female Livers. This is a normal streaming practice that aligns with their "Livers" identity. For a unicorn fan, this is a constant source of frustration and is often seen as an attack on their preferred style of content.
Hololive's Reality: While not an official rule, Hololive has a long-standing unofficial policy of keeping its female talents (Hololive) and male talents (HOLOSTARS) separate. Collaborations between the two groups are rare and often met with a small but vocal minority of fans who express anger. This separation, while criticized by some, is exactly what a unicorn fan desires, making Hololive a safer space for their preferences.

>>102652969
The whole "corporates are inherently evil" is a commie model of thinking based on the "Labor Theory of Value" by Marx.
They believe there is no role for corporations and that "workers of the world" should own all of the means of production.
It's dumb as fuck and with kson having been scammed two times now, it is patently obvious that a good corporation taking care of business is a good thing

In summary, idol-style and unicorn fans are often "mad" at Nijisanji because the agency's core model of promoting diverse and unfiltered streamers directly conflicts with their expectations of a pure, wholesome, and fan-focused idol persona. This is exacerbated by Nijisanji's history of controversial management decisions and its embrace of mixed-gender collaborations, which are anathema to the unicorn's worldview.

>>102652713
I was malding about idol groups and cute voices even before justice was revealed lol
imagine my disappointment
Tho At least I like them all outside of ERB but fuck. come on cover surely there are still girls with cute voices left out there....

>>102652962
/lig/gerfags... These bitches are the BEST you can offer? I don't think they're passing the vibe check, so your best bet is Phase (lmao)

thank you gpt

>>102650725
You are telling me all the free independent empowered talents of Vshoujo didnt see the obvious signs of how she was mistreated by Vshitshow during the harry potter saga? Something that was blatantly obvious to anyone? Why did they look the other way and not express their talent freedom them????? Why are they acting like they dont know nuffin now?!!?!?!??!

>>102652983
>>102653030

ChatGPT kun?

"cute voice" is a shibboleth of a parafag

>>102652953
unironic incel music

livers is a shit noun because it's an org
mem is a shit suffix because it's short for meme

your names are bad

>>102653082
@chatgpt translate this into human

>>102653058
>"mad" at Nijisanji
No i think nijiniggers are a great source of entertainment, it's like laughing at chris-chan but if he was a vtubing company
Especially nijiEN
Pfft

>>102652984
saba is too old to learn japanese at this point. the only hope is for roa to enroll into havard as a joke

>>102653114

>>102652785
huh
probably not but it does kinda make it weirder... did she disclose that she signed with vshojo to cover? She didn't properly debut so what kind of status would she have lol? Her IP is still hers.
well I don't think it's a big deal (at least it won't be able to turn into one)

>>102653082
I mean that fag reps CC so clearly he's a parasocial green girl enthusiast, better hope she's not married/has a BF like the past two lmoa

>>102653077
Keep in mind that the 24 hour spergout and subsequent nuke of vshojo is deliberate to ensure that a certain narrative beats out anything that might come out later through the legal process.

>>102653114
Jeet is a fitting name for a closeted gay street shitter

>>102653138
kek

>>102653114
Who the fuck shortens meme?

>>102651565
I don't believe it for a second.
Dokibird crashed out about Nijisanji not paying people and the Vshojos were horrified for her. They acted like it wasn't happening to them.
This smells like they're trying to replicate the Dokibird situation artificially because it got her a lot of attention.
I'll believe it when I see real legal action, until then it's just hot air for some drama buffs.

>>102653138
>liver king
WILLY???

>>102653043
lol? what the fuck communism has to do with kson getting scammed two times? she wasn't scammed by communists
>patently obvious that a good corporation taking care of business is a good thing
good corporation is not a thing. cooperative company maybe

Come on Myth mongoloids!
>Myth Shocked to Learn JP Holos Dropped Senpai/Kouhai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haP20sHlBf8

One of the biggest "tropes" in JP medium is when people separated by hierarchy grow intimate enough to DROP the formalities and address themselves as "chan".
For instance, here is when AZKi was FINALLY given herself permission to call Sora "Sora-chan"
>The moment Azki started calling Sora as Sora-chan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEeXFhw2TyY

Myth are around for long enough to understand that, for the girls they're close enough they should have dropped the "senpai" a thousand years ago!

>>102653058
chat gpt is retarded
how about the fact that niji is a black company and their fanbase is fucking vile

It's very ironic that the current narrative is that group pressure is being blamed for no one speaking out about vshojo earlier while i can guarantee that no one there dares to speak out on why that might be beacuse of the exact same thing now.

>>102652983
>>102653030
>>102653114
this is nuts and explains volumes

guess who else hired former twtich exec for their NA vtuber operations?
remember when dubais got a free trip to japan with the fsp boys?
at least they've got actual revenue from the app to burn through rather than relying on the talents actually making money

>>102653324
you replied to your own post by mistake

>>102653297
cover is a black company too

chatgpt (or whoever, i use lmsys arena behind a vpn) got it right though

/vt/ is seething because /vt/ canonically is
>idolfags
>parafags
>unicornfags
and those all seethe about the rise of livestreaming vs idolshit and about men

that is the reason you hate these niji people
you see them as an attack against your philosophy of vtubing

>>102653342
who the fuck is Gree

https://x.com/takanashikiara/status/1948425754414321863\
Kiara misses Reine...

>>102653342
>rightmost pic

>>102653369
you're indian

Nimi exposed the myth of hololive, they cannot protect you from being cucked

All that money you gave to hololive talent?

It went to Fauna (who cucked you) via their cut
It went to men via their cut

if you supported hololive or its talent in any way you have funded your enemy

If you're a western vtuber who still wants to do the corpo thing your options are
hololive (almost impossible to get in to)
Phase (to small to do big 3d concerts)
Vallure (you have to be a whore)

>>102653398

>>102653214
Actually Kekson lashing out and feeling responsible / Guilty for promoting the shitency atleast shows that she is a decent enough human being.
Literally everyone else here is a self serving greedy gremlin, dont feel bad for any of them.

>>102653410
and? i'm proud of it

seethe

>3D concerts

>>102653424
In an ironic twist of fate, that idol group that Mint was trying to cobble together with vshojo might actually become it's own thing so there's that

>>102653450
>and? i'm proud of it

>spamming retarded bait on cooldown

>>102653471
Mint doesn't have what it takes to handle an agency or micro-corpo

>>102653295
>>Myth Shocked to Learn JP Holos Dropped Senpai/Kouhai
I've seen this clip and have no idea what the fuck she is talking about. Mio still calls roboco "roboco-senpai". Vivi calls pekora "pekora-senpai". It takes some time and getting closer to each other to drop it (like vivi is calling marine mari-chan while marine calls her just V lol). Somebody like watame is especially autistic about it. But somebody like fubuki was against senpai kouhai thing from the start and wants everybody to be as close and friendly as possible.
>Myth are around for long enough to understand that, for the girls they're close enough they should have dropped the "senpai" a thousand years ago!
like who lol

>on cooldown
>he doesn't know

>>102653391
parent of REALITY app/ REALITY Studios
which runs FSP, Specialite, RK Music, VeBop, etc.

this fatass is in FSP JP btw. they already lost the entire first gen

>>102653443
>Kanata
Going to perform her first live she grinded years for
>Kson
Drowning in self pity at financially damaging who knows how many people.
How the times change huh.

Three vtubers already dead from Thai-Cambodian border conflict stop the war end the violence peace and love

>>102653541
Reality doesn't need gens, they are completely seperate from the Youtube/Twitch ecosystem

>>102653589
name them so I can pay respect

>>102653423
Using fauna as an example is as retarded as using rushia.
>known whore since forever was actually married!
SHOCKER
>known "we are not friends" whore was actually married!
say it ain't so
as shondo said she openly was in a relationship since forever

>>102653138
A fucking tragedy, dude became a hobo

>>102653250
kson was not scammed by "communists" but that's not what's being talked about. It is more of the general attitude you are showing with you "good corporation is not a thing" comment.

One of the biggest flaws in "scientific socialism" (aka marxism, by Marx and Engels) ideology is the "labor theory of value" which ascribes the ENTIRETY of the value of an endeavour to the work performed by the worker actually building the product.
In that ideology, the entirety of the value of a car is the cost of the supplies plus the work done by the factory worker assembling the car.
Same with farm work (farm supplies plus work of the farm hand) and, in the modern sense, same with the vtuber work where they consider the entirety of the value being in the work of the face in front of the (virtual) camera.
They ascribe ZERO value to the people behind the scenes taking the risk with the financial part, the people dealing with the bureaucracies, people organising schedules, making deals, creating supporting material.
From the perspective of the "scientific socialism" adherents, the only work performed in a farm is by the one tilling the field and all of the proceeds of his work should stay with him and him alone.

That, incidentally, is the same mindset of the Tectones and Asmongolds of the entertainment world, they believe nobody other than the vtuber should have ANY stake in the endeavour and that having corporation to smooth things up is necessarily evil and unnecessary

Now, that's the mindset kson started her indie life. Then she got scammed because she might be a talented live streamer but she knows fuck all about business.
Then she joined a "non corpo" corpo and got scammed again because, once again, she knows fuck all about business.

The current capitalist model has so many flaws it is even hard to properly defend it but, for all its warts, it is not as dumb as the puerile mindset of the adherents of that "corporations are unnecessary, workers of the world can take care of themselves" mentality.

>>102653597
their vtuber side streams on youtube
only og rk music girls still have reality account

>>102653342
is this graphic before tariffs were a thing or are they talking about overseas meaning like China or something?

>>102653589
Biboo...

No...

>>102653423
also do you know a big difference between fauna and the rest?
we know that talents pay for 3D lives, albums and such... Guess who didn't have any 3D lives

Stealing with additional info

hololive Meet @ Hong Kong 2025 ft. Hakos Baelz and Kobo Kanaeru
Hopewell Hotel, Grand Ballroom 1.8K Capacity
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Tickets left:
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oshiSPARK Presents: Idol Harmony
9:30 club. Washington, DC. 1.2k Capacity
https://washington.org/visit-dc/930-club-history-washington-dc

Tickets left:
Standard: 875
VIP: 5

hololive STAGE World Tour '25 -Synchronize!- @Hong Kong (Sold Out)
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hololive English 3rd Concert -All for One- (Day 1 and 2 Sold Out)

For tracking
hololive STAGE World Tour '25 ~Synchronize!~ Australia (30 Premium seats were still available a few hours before start >>102189974)

>>102653660
KEK

>>102653471
they should do it. they have all the prep and materials. If some somehow belong to vshojo it won't be so for long cause that shit is going under real soon

>>102653642
it's from two years ago before the massive expansion of REALITY Studios last year
overseas means NA/European market
i don't think they can even enter china with their app

Thanks Nerissa

>>102653623
>>102653660
>NOOOO THOSE DONT COUNT
cope, you've been exposed
your lies about "muh walled garden" are holocausted

Bruh

>>102653727
It's safe really. Connor is only obsessed with plapping tortas like IronMouse

>>102653727
mori is coming for mouseys man

>>102653706
I believe they are already out of there and preparing

>>102653727
She's only interested in doing stuff with Hampwn so it's ok

>>102653723
that was never what the walled garden was about jeetkaneer lurk a thousand year

>>102653765
Connor is going to combine drama buff with marriage announcement buff by announcing he's finally marrying Mousey

The Ultimate Leech

>>102653727
so who leaked the contracts?

>>102653799
MEDS

>>102653805
holy cope

your walls are broken
your garden is sullied
you have been cucked
you have learned your place

So as a random aside, I assume Oshispark was happy with Virtual Vacation ticket sales because they didn't shill it at fucking all compared to how hard they are with Idol Harmony. Like Oshispark didn't even say "Why general sales are up!" After the presale while they've made like 3-4 separate tweets for idol harmony

>>102653631
Yeah this sounds familiar, as well as when she spoke to that JP dude recently and didn't say a word about any of the japanese support staff when she demanded to be paid (that is if they even had any)

>>102653820
Fagni

>name yourself kson to try and capitalize on k-on's success
scummy

>>102653825
nope, cover already talked about this stuff back when rushia imploded
the walled garden shit has never been about the talents and their personal life
less street shitting more lurking

>>102653541
They were also one of the earliest venture capitals that invested in cover iirc

>>102653820
Wait, contracts got leaked?? when? whats?

>>102653712
Gotcha, I only used Reality for a few months when one of the JP masturbation chuubas I follow moved from otobanana to Reality to try it out
Is Reality tied to AniLive and IRIAM since they all seem like basically the exact same thing.

this "new" schizo spammer will never be even 10% of what prime ennacuck was...
I'm actually angry at him, he's disrespecting ennacucky's legacy

>>102653850
>Think of them as an Avengers team
Remember, kids, if you use "Avengers" to refer to a group of V-Tubers, you have doomed them.

Happened thrice already

>>102653843
>Tweets where she announces she has a boyfriend/married during her period as Fauna: 0
>Tweets where she announces she has a boyfriend/married during her period as an indie, Nimi: 1


Q.E.D.

>>102653874
Almost as wcummy as Nimi taking Pillowdear's entire lore and personality

>>102653913
Ennacuck was a Nijisister, ergo he knew at least SOMETHING about V-Tubers

Jeetkaner doesn't know anything about V-Tubers so he just looks like a retard, although it is funny to see him slowly learn piece by piece what V-Tubing is...and then deciding to become a Nijisister.

>>102653894
yeah, their investment arm still owns about 3% of cover

>>102653958
>and then deciding to become a Nijisister.
kek

Shiori's silly low voice she is using for singing has grown on me happy she found her niche

>>102653915
>Both Avengers groups died on same day
Poetic

>>102653958
becoming a nijisis is just for the mentally ill so it makes sense

>Y-YOU HAVE TO PICK A TRIBE
>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST ATTACK US
kek the strawmen

the jeet went and made his shit a catalog thread too
funny schizo street shitter

why is jeetkaner even mindbroken isn’t he from /int/

Every day idolshit and unicornfags loses their relevance
Any holofag can get cucked at any time retroactively now
cover failed to protect you

>>102654016
>strawmen
YOU CALLED?

>>102653913
this, I miss the good schizos

>>102654039
someone posted a picture of saba there i think and he's been shitting for 4 days straight since

>>102653471
She's gonna need resources, staff, infrastructure, etc. to actually do anything with that other than be a loosely connected group shilling oshispark (which is still just a husband/wife compay)

With regards to plapping tortas don't forget about this one

>NOOOOO YOU MUST BE A BROWN THIRDIE LIKE US
>NOOOO YOU MUST HAVE A VTUBER TRIBE LIKE US
you're the same

>>102654072
damn thus nigga hates kani

>>102654097
she's a torta? Why didn't connur collab with her yet?

>>102653909
no, REALITY is a "metaverse" app from when metaverse was hot and not specifically a vtubing app. most people who are on it treat it more like vrchat. but yeah, some chuubas use it for the same reason they use vrchat.
they do hold official "live" events on it though. you can look up their Star Light series. pretty sure they stream it on yt too

You fear the tourist because we are unassailable
you NEED every anon to belong to some tribe strawman so you can attack
You cannot attack.

>>102654039
Saba became the default loli spam pic across the site

>>102653450
>i'm proud of it
When the dalit steals wifi in Canada to go online and bark

>>102654113
He does spazz out if a bunch of loli gets posted.

>>102654163
We should post more cunny

>>102653865
This is the most likely option, nobody else was seething about holo contracts to the point of hiring fucking lawyers to try and muscle a better one during renewal

>>102654142
lol based

>>102654137
you're a jeet who's been posting a suspicious amount of half naked men pics
i can totally attack

>>102654134
She is Colombian, yes.

Sheepfucker didn't collab with her because her numbers are abyssmal and also she can be considered one of the reasons as to why NijiEN fell

>>102654187
i'm white though

>>102653727
cmon anon

>

>>102654240
saar i am unda da watta

>>102654240
BLOODY BITCH BASTARD DO THE NEEDFUL

Man, Lui really does believe that she's one male collab away from being the next Suisei. Aunt really goes into a homo collab thinking "this is going to be my big break"

Did Saba just get verified on YouTube or did that happen a while ago?

>>102653727
Are people actually buying whatever this is? It looks like absolute dogshit

>>102654329
happened 8 years ago, you're a bit late

>>102653849
Looks like a big flop in the making I think virtual vacation and the doki/mint concert made them a bit too confident, or it could be bad timing with a holo world tour stop the week before and AFO the week after

>>102654247
Did someone ping some dusty shitcord from like 2020
What's with all the forced connor posts?

Bastard, I bitch fucking them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukznXQ3MgN0

>>102654328
>Botan's tournaments have homos
>Botan's tournaments do well
>...ergo, collabing with homos should go well

>>102653631
jesus bro you wrote a fucking NOVEL
>They ascribe ZERO value to the people behind the scenes taking the risk with the financial part
yeah yeah that's bullshit. what fucking risks? if gunrun didn't do a fucking fraud he'd easily get away with it. He still might btw.
What about worker's risks? Losing your job can literally and unironically kill you. Especially in murica which as no real sefty nets anymore and murdered its middle class. Can't say that about rich fat fucks CEOs.
>the people dealing with the bureaucracies, people organising schedules, making deals, creating supporting material
that's false tho? you think rich fucks do all that? these people are just as exploited and underpaid like the rest of the workers.
This shit is a bit more nuanced than how you want to present it.
>From the perspective of the "scientific socialism" adherents, the only work performed in a farm is by the one tilling the field and all of the proceeds of his work should stay with him and him alone.
That's wrong lol.
>Now, that's the mindset kson started her indie life
you see... kson is retarded and has no idea about theory lol Maybe if she did she wouldn't let herself get scammed by capitalist fucks.
>The current capitalist model has so many flaws it is even hard to properly defend it but, for all its warts, it is not as dumb as the puerile mindset of the adherents of that "corporations are unnecessary, workers of the world can take care of themselves" mentality.
See you understand that yourself. We are so far beyond anything fucking reasonable with this capitalist shit that it's indefensible. We'd need to debate how much of corporations is necessary AFTER corporate dictatorship would be abolished.
But current vtuber situation is also very far from this debate. "Corporations are exploitative" is not debatable. They exploit both talents and inner workers

>/pw/ picking up speed
>what going on
Fuck. RIP brother

>>102653631
>>102654411
you should both kys

>>102653723
you didn't get it...
we literally can see where money we gave to hololive talents go
marine spends literally all of it on her super expensive MVs
they talk about "giving back to the fans" all the time.
So situation you described only applicable to a couple of people we literally can see not having similar output

kek i killed numbers while watching cs
now you're trying to hide in /lig/

>>102654444
Hulk Hogan graduated due to diferences with management (Satan)

>>102654463
you're replying to AI, they can't die and they'll most likely outlive you

>fandom celeb gimi having a yab because he's being forced to participate on a war with a neighbouring country.

>>102654357
Yeah it kind of sucks for notkiara too. Hope she doesn't feel too bad about this.

>>102654497
Who?

>Jeetkaner interacting with liggers
OH I GOTTA WATCH THIS

>>102653850
But she is retarded. Her "corporations bad" stance is not coming from communist ideology or idea of a class war or whatever. She literally doesn't understand anything and a capitalist herself

>>102654478
cant have hell unionizing brother dude jack

>>102653849
Wasn't VV during AX?
Is there even a convention going on anywhere in DC to coincide with IH?

>>102653573
>>Kanata
>Going to perform her first live she grinded years for
And how will that bring back the kanata hymen that she destroyed?

>>102654497
If war breaks out, will Biboo have to fight?

>>102654328
Tell Yagoo about it, he probably convinced Lui at one of his tea parties how she can be the next posterchild

>>102654526
you know the one that shoots gun and possibly works for the military or mercenary of a certain south east asian country currently embroiled in a land war with its neighbor

>>102654526
that akirose fag who's also Biboo's fellow countryman.

>>102654589
Otakon

>>102654134
Connor only cares about people with numbers

I'm Mr. Sunshine btw.

>>102654596
she's a woman, a weak one too

>>102654596
she’ll be taken as a trophy

>>102654596
probably no, but she sure has khmer antis now.

It's kind of unhinged how ironrat is just gonna get away with being complicit in a pyramid scheme because everyone just pretends she MAGICALLY knew absolutely nothing about the company being literally Niji-level black (not an exaggeration) for years
At least kikeson can play the JP card and pretend she knows nothing about any EN (still dubious but whatever)

>>102654497
I met him, he's a cool dude
Praying Thailand takes a steaming shit on Cambodia and he gets home quick if he's mobilized

>>102654721
how's it selling?

>>102654596
Lol she actually had parents that took her away from that shithole.

>>102654730
She's sick man give her a break. How's she supposed to keep up with the company when she's literally fighting for her life. You've seen how much sleep she needs.

fauna won
nimi won
you lost

https://x.com/VShojo/status/1948442574722924778

>>102654693
A damn nice trophy, that's for sure.

>>102654730
>Ironlung stole millions of dollars from other Vshojos and from charity.
I think that's probably true. We'll know if she abandons suing Gunrun.

>>102653849
They haven't even sold out their VIP tickets. >>102653669

>>102654826

>>102654596
This is all a ploy to snatch Momseki.

>>102654826
>isreal
holy kek

>>102654826
>vshojo knelt
lame. i thought he's going to put a fight at least.

>>102654826
rip

>>102653727
it what universe is anyone spending money on this

>>102654826
And now...the end is near....
And so I face...the final curtain...
My friend...I'll say it clear...
I'll state my case...of which I'm certain...

>>102654826
DOOORRRYYAAAAA

>>102654800
Saba won.

>>102654411
>We'd need to debate how much of corporations is necessary AFTER corporate dictatorship would be abolished
And this is why commies never should be taken seriously

>>102654929
a healthy baby boy

>>102654929
saba lost, she has all the same red flags as nimi and took a few thousand view hits at a minimum from this

>>102654882
No one can fight Ironmouse, too strong.

Saba cute!

>>102654826
>which I later learned
Lying weasel words

>>102654826
I guess that's the end of that.

>>102654826
>sorry, the money is gone.
>oh that's fine, we won't sue you.
>thanks, here's your cut.
it's apparently that easy to plunder a charity.

>>102654882
Regardless of industry, you can't win against the mouse.

>>102654596
Only way for her to be useful is if you inject her with super aids and give her to the enemy. You know what happens next.

>>102654961
>Saba lost because [schizo ramblings]
You lost. Saba won. The end.

>>102654826
Another day, another win for Hololive. Who else wants to step up to the plate?

>>102655000
It was shady as fuck to do a charity that way from the beginning. Should have just used one of the resources available but Ironmouse had to have her cut.

>Bon Bijou! I am Koseki Bijou, sparkling gem of emotions from Hololive English Advent! It seems that you're all on some nasty conflict, dang it!
>So I'm here to give you some words of support!
>KILL OUR ENEMIES, RESTORE THAILAND'S HONOUR, TOTAL CAMBODIAN DEATH, SEE THEM KNEEL BEFORE YOU AND HEAR THE LAMENTATIONS OF THEIR WOMEN

>>102654826
>letting himself be the fall guy and going out like a bitch
>not going on a litigation war path and taking his former employees down with him
Useless faggot.

>Vallure won

>>102655007
That's what Ironmouse is counting on. ez 500k.

>>102655057
>hey guys fauna is getting married
>shutup schizo

>>102655087
Federal charges.

>>102654956
Yeah, mine.

Holo protects.

Walled garden is there for a reason. The outside world is dangerous, ugly and toxic hell.

Allegations from Silvervale's stream:

>A lot of cool things were proposed; it was the biggest opportunity of her life. The first few months were amazing.

>The original contract was extremely predatory — there wasn’t even an exit clause.

>Before she left, VShojo owed her tens of thousands of dollars from sponsorships and other things — a fuck ton of money.

>When she asked about the money, VShojo kept saying it was “in the works” and gave a fuck ton of excuses.

>She made more money in the first few months with Mythic than during her entire time at VShojo.

>She asked to renegotiate the contract, but VShojo refused and got upset that she had lawyers review it.

>She was belittled and shamed to other talents for using a lawyer.

>She warned other talents about payment issues — tried to warn as many people as she could.

>She said VShojo had too much power, and it was terrifying.

>They threatened to sue her for canceling a stream due to stress.\.

>VShojo had internal leaderboards to make talents compete with each other.

>She was considered a “problem person” for raising concerns — told not to discuss sponsorships with other talents. VShojo did everything to compartmentalize them and make the talents feel like they were nothing without the company.

>The internal culture was toxic — you had to earn “brownie points” and hope for their support or adoration.

>She had a call with Gunrun due to the Wizard controversy. He told her she was damaging the brand and a disappointment. He said her being harassed was an inconvenience to other talents and told her not to talk to them. Optics were more important than her wellbeing. It shattered her trust and broke her. At the time she needed support the most, she was met with contempt.

>When a few of them left, VShojo discredited them — painted them as problematic, troublemakers, or greedy.

>They held Nyanners “hostage,” preventing her from leaving just to make the company look good.

>Talents were asked to stop associating with those who left. She was slandered to other companies, which ruined partnerships and dream collabs she was excited about.

>She felt sick every time VShojo was praised as an amazing company that "everyone loves."

>She was in a very dark place, had dark thoughts, and even wanted to act on them. The agency made her feel worthless — like she didn’t deserve anything — and convinced her she was completely alone.

>>102654826
Yeah this shit was planned from the start

what's up with rich ceos lately? They all take the blame so easily
they should go back to fighting small people with their huge capitals again.

>>102654826
So what's being implied here is that he saw Ironmouse's subs and donos omega spike, but thought it was just a sunny day and proceeded to use all of it. How honest of him.

>>102655140
Mouse could seriously fuck him up, at this point she is probably wealthier than him

>>102655140
Rich ceos rarely fight small people. They usually fight hydras funded by government or other rich people. That is the ugly black pill truth in life.

>>102655140
>blame
Tell me when they actually have to pay the fuck up and not just file for bankruptcy

>>102655076
I guarantee, the charity will NEVER see that half a million dollars. The make-up charity will be all they get.

>>102654826
Kek that last part is pure BS

>>102654826
>"VShojo has failed."
What a first sentence.

>>102654463
>>102654486
prove you arent AI RIGHT NOW

>>102655108
>shutup schizo
Correct, schizo. You should shut up and take your meds.

>>102655140
Luigi Mansion V2 might be hiding somewhere in Vshitjoe fandom, commiefornia afterall

>>102654826
>you did not deserve this
Some of them certainly did

>>102654826
Investor pitch: Give us money so we can pay our talents.
Investor: Okay, here have money
Investor after a little bit of time: Wait, how are you going to make money with my money?

>>102655212
It already doubled that through tiltify

>>102654826
Zentreya is live reacting kek

>>102655246
>>102655108

>>102654800
Okay but
How does losing help me?

>>102655212
>the make-up charity will be all they get
isn't that already beyond 500k?

>>102655140
Luigi made them fear.

>>102655140
Usually when they initially take blame it's a result of a backroom deal with individuals involved to cover up something even more henious and minimise total losses. I agree something doesn't smell right.

>which i later learn was intended for a charitable initiave
nigga pretending he didn't knew it was charity money kek

>>102654826
Hey gunrun that's great and all, but what about insulting your talents, not paying them, poaching people just to drop them when they weren't meeting number expectations, pumping and dumping pretty much every retiree from a respectable (and "respectable") organization, etc.?
You fucking slimy weasel

>>102655329
"VShojo has failed." is going to get meme'd hard, isnt it?

>>102655329
the vtubers didn't, they are still around.

>>102655347
>FREE MONEYYYYYYYYYYY YEAAAAAAH LET'S GOOOOOOO

>>102654826
If vshojo was a cooperative this would've happened.
>A cooperative is "an autonomous association of persons united voluntarily to meet their common economic, social and cultural needs and aspirations through a jointly owned and democratically-controlled enterprise".[1] Cooperatives are democratically controlled by their members, with each member having one vote in electing the board of directors.
it is THAT easy

>>102655329
Whoretubing has failed...

>>102654826
Picrel never gets old

>>102655356
We definitely had a whole lot of extra shit come out in between their death and now

>>102655304
You do know that Nimi and Saba are two different people, right?

>>102655384
Against' who? it's dead now. What is a hunter without the hunt?

>>102655441
>>102655108

>>102655115
NO CONS

>>102655422
There's still Nimi

>>102655474
VAllure debut when?

Ironmouse does botted sleeping streams to cheat Twitch out of ad revenue. She leeches off Connor. She's always running subathons. She rigs awards for herself. She runs a charity where she's supposed to get half the money, but then the other half disappears as well.
Sorry for being such a paranoid schizo, but I think she's a scammer.

>>102655434
>Pretending it wasn't hololive's worst year too.
It was so bad you guys went hiding in your hugbox and never went back to this day.

>>102655405
these crab bucket bitches can't even be real friends, what makes you think they can pool money and collectively make good business decisions

>>102654953
I understand that you like being fucked in the ass by corpos (good ones obviously)
to each their own

>>102655422
Just like western vtubing
Who's even left aside from grifters?

>>102654826
Good thing about all of this is that no corpo will offer full control of character IP anymore. That business model is just not sustainable.

>>102655536
but we're all here laughing at you niggers rn?

>>102655534
She's cover approved, crying with the monkeys won't help you.

>>102655272
>>102655341
They should get the other 500k as well.

https://www.youtube.com/live/Ts_SHcaVDjg?t=8362s
https://www.youtube.com/live/Ts_SHcaVDjg?t=8362s
https://www.youtube.com/live/Ts_SHcaVDjg?t=8362s
https://www.youtube.com/live/Ts_SHcaVDjg?t=8362s
https://www.youtube.com/live/Ts_SHcaVDjg?t=8362s

>>102655534
They all are, she just happens to be more likable

>>102655549
because thankfully you don't need to be friends to be business partners. they just need to follow simple rules which are agreed upon by everybody involved.

>>102655584
That"s not what was unsustainable. Not getting a cut from revenue was like subs, donos, membership, super chats was

>>102655650
I can't be arsed to watch, what are you trying to imply?

>>102655674
That's not even true she's just better at sucking oxygen

>>102655626
Where are all the collabs then?

>>102655737
Anime with a "cuck" ending, except the MC ends up with a younger cuter girl in the end anyway.

>>102654826
Phase outlasted VShojo. Phase has Pippa versus VSHojo who had Ironmouse, Zen, Henya, KSon, Melody, ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR MALE VTUBERS KURO GOD, NijiID most popular ID, normie twitch audience, all that good will post-black screen drama, 11 million dollars. Talk about dropping the ball.

>>102655527
can you actually stop shilling your who bitches you cringe faggot?

So if they are shutting down does it mean that NDAs are all nullified?

>>102655434
>including twitch when it's not an idol company
what?

>>102655650
Yeah, she WOULD fucking like Erased

>>102655674
idk man, it's just so bizarre. She's a neverending obvious scam that everyone just accepts.

>>102655534
I don't think you're being that schizo

>>102655800
That was boring as fuck

why do they make /vt/ seethe?

>>102655809
Vshojo girls still exist. When phase dies all the IP will go down with the company. Including pippa.

>>102655817
>someone brings up whoretubing
>says there's still Nimi
>say Nimi should join camgirl whorecorp
>"WOOOOOOW STOP SHILLING"
Is it shilling when people called chuubas whores that belonged in vwhorejo?

>>102654826
lmao

>>102655650
>live
I HATE THE ANTI CHRIST

>>102655820
nda was nullified since vshojo committed fraud it’s just no ine will talk about anything truly fucked up until the courts are done with gunrun

>>102655850
It's not really that bizarre when you take into account that she is a make-a-wish kid that never dies

>>102655833
It's decent until the ending where the serial killer villain went full retard.

>>102655874
ADs

>posting on a NEET erp hugbox
lmaooo

>>102655821
It's a stand-in for indies* when it was made, bozo

>>102655947
>adblock

>>102655954
uh huh, sure

>>102655936
>make-a-wish kid that never dies
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>102655952
4chan has been like this for ages, anon

>>102655758
lol do you really think ironmouse will let her audience actually witness what hololive really is? And destroy all the bullshit about talent freedom and all the rules hololive members allegedly have to follow? And the most dangerous thing of all - actually demonstrate that she is less entertaining than "seiso idols" from jap corpo?
ain't gonna happen

>>102654826
>concerts
What concerts?

>>102654826
>Gunrun is lawyering up, he'll fight the narrative! Mouse will be unmasked!
I wonder how the moron who was peddling that is feeling now, rumao

>>102655952
What do you have against /vt/?

>>102655936
Yeah, I wasn't even going to bring that up because it's low-hanging fruit.

>>102655947
skill issue

Reminder that Gura and Shion had an on screen marriage and nobody complained. Nimi's 'marriage' is hollow as hell in comparison, the tapir nurse is forever alone with no "lore drops" to save her. Will her RM try to give her a partner or leave her to rot?

>>102655936
I got a mental image of celebrities being fed up with constantly having to visit the same kid for years

>>102655947
skill issue

>>102656019
Thirdies don't know the power of disabled brown women in America.

So is gunrun still rich or what?

>>102655925
Is that really how it works? I have a feeling two wrongs don't make a right in court. The girls probably have more funds than gunrun to fight a NDA violation lawsuit, that I get

>>102656032
Just beacuse it's obvious and low hanging fruit doesn't make it false, just see how people treat her, during this whole ordeal she has been coddled by lots of people like she lacks any agency at all like some child.

>>102656042
>Gura and Shion had an on screen marriage
And they will do it again.

Imagine someone last week posting in /#/ that Nimi is going to drop the cuckiest nuke in EN vtubing history and Vshojo will literally die next week.

>>102655650
>3.8k views
Huh?

>>102656054
Immortal bed-ridden cancer kid, with unlimited wish, coming to cinemas near you

>vshojo collapsed
>hololive cucked and the walled garden destroyed, anyone can get cucked retroactively after fauna's precedent
>saba bleeding thousands of viewers as debut buff wears off and due to connection to nimi
>nimi seemingly unimpacted
so.. phase won?

>>102653504
It's probably because MiComet tell people to call them normally and if I recall Miko was going to go eat with Kiara and Reine when they came to Japan. Look at the groups she has probably interacted with.

>>102656137
>July 20th
Man, what a boring last week, hopefully the next one at least has good streams
>July 24th
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Look who it is

>>102656153
Yeah Nimi is phasing in soon

>>102656101
of course, he might have not been able to pay the salary of his members but he certainly was able to pay his own

>>102656132
It will be beautiful and I will clap and congratulate them all over again.

>>102655758
>>102656010
Isn't she the western vtuber with the most hololive collabs? I 'm not sure what the you two monkeys are waffling about

>>102656139
Old members' watchalong. She made her membership VODs public after she graduated but not many will go back for the random watchalongs.

>>102656139
members only retard

>>102656213
Who the fuck is zack

>>102655936

>>102656213
why does he write like that saar from /int/

>>102656238
You're confusing milfrrat with mint.

>>102656153
>>nimi seemingly unimpacted
The drama buff cancels out the fallout from naplings jumping ship. Wait a while.
t. one of the kanikis that's bleeding out because I want to confirm the situation before I bail

>>102656213
That money is gone bro, it's in the past, just forget it

>>102656019
>steals half a million dollars from a charity.
>steals from a bunch of dumb vtubers.
>gets away with it.
No one will sue him.

>>102656123
NDAs cannot be legally used to cover for breaking law, contract violations included
no company can NDA you into not saying "these niggas weren't paying what they owed"

>>102656238
>the western vtuber with the most hololive collabs?
list those cause as far as i'm aware she barely had any
like mori and maybe kiara?

Next week Kiara will graduate and become a fleshie and Saba will reveal she's a mother.

Ain't anyone gotta worry about NDAs anymore, open the floodgates.

>>102656310
Who do you think saars learn their english from?

>>102656315
holy cope

>>102656213
He should know fully well that all the money is gone or at least should be gone so this is just farming for engagement

>>102656213
why this goblin is even famous?

>>102656132
The need to up the stakes this time and show the wedding night.

They expect to find one of us in the wreckage, its just you and us now holokeks

>>102656386
yeah i'm coping hard right now hbu

>>102656366
Where is your mana Watamage? Casting without it is dangerous for the user

>>102656361
Mori, Kiara, Bae, Haachama, Nerissa and wil probably collab with ERB at one point this year I'm pretty sure.

>>102656123
ndas can’t prevent parties from speaking about illegal activities or breaking a contract the only reason I suspect lawyers already told mousey and the rest what they can talk about until they’ve bled gunrun dry

>>102656366
>fleshie
>in her 30s

>Gaou papa is a real pedophile
Bros...

>>102656366
Her daughter? Me~

>>102656370
>>102656348
they can still get doxxed (it's not illegal to dox people) so they wont risk anything

>>102656440
considering Pippa and co outright admitted their concerts were done at a loss, their VShojo liquidity moment gonna come sooner or later

>/vt/ seething because asmongold is infinitely more relevant than even the biggest vtuber
kek

>>102656506
fitting

Why is nerissa trying to get Ado's attention?

>>102656518
They can always choose to go public so the they can disclose their earnings

so what exactly does vedal do while neuro is making him thousands of dollars

>>102654521
have to wonder if she took this opportunity to maybe show management that she can sellout a concert on her own in hopes it can convince them to give her a sololive

>>102656590
pay for tokens

>>102656571
Ado's a pretty famous singer

>102656561
Cringe and no free (You) either

>>102656594
That would be incredibly stupid, a veteran Holo such as Kiara MUST know that there is a clear difference of popularity between Takanashi Kiara and Cake Princess.

>>102656590
He actually runs Neuro during the livestreams, and interacts with it. Neuro isn't just a fire and forget bot, it's pretty heavily tweaked and controlled.

>>102656571
She's known as the leech queen, after finishing with Kiara and Marine, she's now setting her sights on even bigger targets.

>>102656561
Proud of you faggot-kun

>>102656691
>it's pretty heavily tweaked and controlled.
no it isnt

>>102656581
>be investor
>do research on Phase Connect
>first search result
>MERCH OF PIPKIN PIPPA WORN BY WOULD BE SHOOTER

>*forces vtubing to abandon toxic idolshit practices*
based our girl

lol

>>102656642
has he spoken at all about what models he usees or his infrastructure?

i think i know a guy who was trying to build something like this using local LLMs

>>102656794
whore
>>102656814
cutiepie

>>102656403
>two lesbian pedophiles gooning to the thought of little girls they'll "adopt" or "babysit" together
I'm not sure the average tourist will be able to appreciate their dedication.

>>102656594
Kiara needs to pray IRyS and Bae get sololives and don't fuck up if she wants one. Her numbers are just not there.

>>102654357
idk if it's just around me but the interest just doesn't seem to be what it was back then, the intensity and dedication just isn't there anymore. People I knew used to be glued to a stream, the same people are treating it as replacable second monitor content now.

>>102656581
Phase has near zero profitability, they live under a very low consumption mode

>>102656440
How long until fishman realizes that vtubers are just influencers, shillers and he has to come up with a more permanent product coffee isnt going to work, and metawank like Holoearth wont work either, he better get cracking make a gacha, or some shit.

>>102656594
The thing is im almost certain kiara can sell out a concert but who the fuck wants to see notkiara

>>102656581
Half the phase girls said that they would quit the moment phase went public

>>102656872
that 'whore' is part of the hololive walled garden anon!

>>102653849
>I assume Oshispark was happy with Virtual Vacation ticket sales because they didn't shill it at fucking all
They most likely knew what was about to happen with Nimi. Best not to draw too much attention to it because it's already hard enough for them to keep up with production values without adding integrity issues to the mix.

>>102656901
FWMC are already on negotiations and talks to get their first Sololive, if they get one, a door could be opened.

>>102656979
i was calling her a whore back then already
her not recording a 3D live for her fans was the biggest red flag

>>102656959
You mean be fired because they don't generate nearly enough revenue? Pippa probably accounts for 90% of the cashflow that happens if I had to guess

The vultures are feasting on Vshojo's carcass. Look at those lovely people

qrd?

>>102657014
I can’t see the dogs getting one before irys or bae they don’t have enough originals

>>102657047
God it's like a reunion of the worst of the worst

>>102656959
Oh now we are listening to the things they say?

engine glitch on ohayama stream

>>102657014
FWMC aren't on the same track as those three. They are going for raw popularity numbers while the others are going for musical numbers.
It's the difference between Pekora getting a sololive and Kanata.

>>102657028
shes not your friend youre not entitled to anything
now congratulate her on her future baby or youre an incel chud

>>102657047
I will never understand how a nigga who used a dead rat as an alarm became so popular

>>102657028
seething idolfag

>>102657047
I wonder how many of these people would turn on each other if given the opportunity

>>102657134
>>102657141
Not my Oshi not my problem i WILL be laughing tho

>>102657047
God I hate these fucking faggots. But Vshitshow had this coming for a long time, so go nuts everyone.

i don't care about Vshojo
i don't care about Nimi
i just wanna watch Saba

>>102657091
I assume their plan is to pump up more originals as they have been doing over the past months, see how they do, and if they do well, add the numbers of their originals as arguments for a Sololive.

Catching Covid probably fucked with their plans a little, though.

>>102657047
Give me a bite!!

>>102657174
your company, your problem.

>>102657121
okay she is not a 175 viewers streamer come on
her waiting room was like 800

>>102657141
>>102657240

I'll be cheering at my oshi's concert while you sit right here.

>>102657047
KAY YU???

>>102657201
>no male collabs
>no asmr/gfe
>no superchats
>"disagreements with management"
saba has the same boyfriend red flags as nimi

>>102654411
Your word count is at very least as big as mine. In either case I reject your premise completely. Your main thesis is
>But current vtuber situation is also very far from this debate. "Corporations are exploitative" is not debatable. They exploit both talents and inner workers
But there is zero requirement for a vtuber to sign up with a company and there are hundreds, THOUSANDS of independent vtubers doing their thing with zero corporate backing in a field where. there is ZERO requirement for a vtuber to sign with a corporation.

Wanna know what's the one and difference between "scientific socialism" and "utopian socialism" as described by Engels himself (and brushed upon by Marx as well)?

1) Utopian socialists believe socialism is the natural consequence of the labor relations and that people will naturally flock to it. Scientific socialists understand that people in power won't give up their advantage and that violence is necessary to enact change
2) Utopian socialists believe that it is possible to have a localised change while scientific socialists understand that AS LONG AS EVEN A SINGLE JURISDICTION IS CAPITALIST; it will have an inherent advantage (according to them) due to the exploitation of the worker

In the vtuber context, that explains PERFECTLY why this type of ideological retard is so adamant in trying to destroy Hololive in particular and corporate vtubers as a whole.
Their whole theory hinges on the fact that the very existence of corporation is morally wrong, but that it possesses an inherent advantage that makes their violent destruction the only way forward.
It's absolutely retarded but that's their mindset and that's why they have to be fought tooth and nails.
It is not that they thing Hololive is inferior and would fail otherwise, they KNOW Hololive is superior but they consider it morally wrong so they have a mission to destroy it even if it would disadvantage the Holo girls.

Vshojo effectively killed the push for talent owned IPs overnight, it wasn't the primary cause for their downfall but everyone who argues for it in he future has to contend with what happened these last few days.

>>102657240
you mean the company she had to leave lol?

>>102657292
seethe

>>102657134
Strangers don't randomly blurt out they're getting married to strangers. You do that behavior with people you're friends with. How is it that the retards getting parasocial with her trying to congratulate her on the marriage don't get that and unironically think it's okay?

>>102656956
I’d fly for a sololive but I dont really give a fuck about watching notkiara perform for like 15 min and then have to stick around for 4 other whos

>>102657300
sounds like it was a corpo inside job, wouldn't be the first time that Big Capital did its best to undermine workers.

>>102657141
Yes and?

>>102657047
the one thing this place and Twitter have in common is that all manner of fags just loves having an acceptable target

>>102657292
Truth. How Saba ultimately reacts to this will seal the deal.

>>102657376
Sleeper Agent Kson...

>idolfag
the newfag is back

>>102657417
So undercover that she fell for her own bullshit

>no vtuber company award this year because it's not even a competition
https://youtu.be/jJzx8wYOjRo?t=58

>>102657014
If FWMC did a sololive where would they do it Japan or NA. I say they can sell out a Japan sololive but not NA unfortunately

>>102657047
>where did the money go?
Ironmouse and Gunrun are laughing to the bank. There will be no court battle. Ironmouse will say she just wants to move on teehee.

>>102657471
it would just be hololive vs phase and phase getting low diffed because hololive is more popular

>>102657425
Not a newfag, is a retarded napcuck pretending

>>102657417
I kneel kaichou

>>102657472
Japan obviously

We live in a world where the western market fucking killed itself before even becoming a threat to hololive, i would normally feel a bit sad since it stifles competition and innovation but this has been such a shitfest that none of that would ever manifest in any helpful way.

>>102657471
Wonder if she means there's no competition for hololive or phase

>>102657472
>>102657574
>Japan obviously
I don't know. They could EASILY book a bigger venue in Japan, a smaller in North America and sell out both and do a "world tour" of sorts

>>102657471
Fillian doesn't think that the GLORIOUS, BASED AND UNHINGED COMPANY Phase Connect could win against those evil, boring and cucked girls of Hololive?!

Lol Hololive won by doing nothing

>>102657630
EN5 will be a success now

>>102657472
Japan is an instant sell out for them.
They might have been able to pull one off outside of Japan before 2024 but their kaigai popularity has definitely waned since they moved

>>102657637
Pretty much, the alternative would be to start some indie awards but then they would just tear each other apart.

>Cultural Victory
>Domination Victory
Which one is next? Will Yagoo finally invest in 3D so Hololive can get the science victory?

>>102657471
>At this point is not even a competition
Damn, a bit of respect for not doing the usual "ALL ARE THE SAME" bs

>>102657630
They would never be a "threat to Hololive" because they're not in the same market.
The funniest part is that Hololive operates in a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT market.
Holo competitors aren't VShojo or VSPO EN or NijiEN, there is overlap.
Holo competition is Hatsune Miku and Idolmaster and other franchises with some semblance of presence in the west with "western weebs" backing them up.

>>102657669
Won in pretty much every sense of the word

>>102657630
>>102657669
>biggest en streamer is an indie
>walled garden penetrated and cucked
>hololive won
?

have you paid your respect to the og?

>>102657701
People have asked filian before why she doesn't she make her awards show indie only and she straight up said it's because nobody would watch unless she included holo

FROMKINO WON
TENDOSLOP LOST

>>102657666
Didn't she called them phase cucknet herself?

>hololive won

>>102657471
Oh yeah I wonder whats Fillian gonna do about that kek. I guess she can still give the awards to ex vshojo as some kind of pity award

>another slutty thumbnail

WAKE THE FUCK UP YOU SHEEP
NEWS FLASH
NEWS FLASH
AZKI HASNT ALWAYS BEEN KNOWN FOR GEOGUESSR YOU KNOW
SHE USED TO BE A SINGER AND VIRTUAL DIVA TOO

>>102657657
If FWMC manages to get a sololive so quickly, it's because it will be in Japan

>>102657471
>the phase beggars in chat
kek

>>102657816
Yes. Saba also won.

>>102657779
Hololive holds a legal monopoly that all companies in the world would kill to have.

>>102657827
SILENCE MONGOLOID! AZKi LIVE STARTED IN MARCH 2022 WITH HER ADMISSION TO HOLOLIVE!

>>102657471
>phasefags crawling all over chat and comments, full on delusion mode
seeing their shitheap collapse next due inability to go public while still trying to expand and poach will be funny

>>102657821
youre starting to piss me the fuck off w

>>102657762
>>walled garden penetrated and cucked
Where?
>Biggest en streamer is an indie
Thanks to holo

>>102657831
I would agree but 1) I don't believe they will 2) I ONLY believe they could if they offer something different, and that "thing" is "EN + JP venues"

>>102657886
I think Jeetkaner actually refers to Ironmouse lol

>>102657847
Is there another form of monopoly that you gain by everyone else just killing themselves?

>>102657858
why go public when you can just make a profit as a private company

>>102657843
not how it works

>>102657821
arrgh I hate boobs

>>102657909
They have had a de facto monopoly on vtubing since 2020

>>102657816
I would give her a year first, see what happens.

>>102657886
Fauna cucked you for years anon

>>102657922
It works however I want it to work.

ironmouse had something like 35k views when i saw her stream, how many does saba get?

>>102657816
Hololive won so hard that even the indies are holos

Reminder that you're only a cuck if you know. Hololive won. Naplings lost.

>>102658029

>>102654826
I need this to happen with phase
It will be the best day of my life

>>102657965
Oh its you napcuck, come on man, I bet there's shit on trash that you will end up liking eventually

>>102658013
Depending on content anywhere between 15k and 40k

>>102658029
but you now know fauna was cucking you
you lost
they have to take it to their grave for you to win
they didn't
many will follow in her footsteps

>>102656366
Good, the vtubing meme needs to end. Women made it, now they need to be the ones to kill it.

>meanwhile in hololive

>>102658013
Saba got 41k with Resident Evil 4

>>102658084
>saba
>40k
kek not for weeks
her new normal is 10-15k

>>102657912
>doing concerts at a loss
>trying to push shitty coffee as brand merch
I wonder how much profit is there even

>>102658121
debut buff
she struggled to get 15k recently

Do you belieb him?

Someone just got nuked again, and surprise a bunch of Kronii avatarfagging.

>>102656440
>phaseniggers think they are above nijicn in relevancy
KEK

>/vt/ is insecure about ironmouse's massive numbers and being on twitch
it is noted

>>102658120
THIS WEEK IS HELL
GIGI GOT BITTEN ON HER ASS BY A BUG TOO

>>102658127
Saba has yet to have a 10k stream.

>>102658127
10 days ago Saba got 36k with PEAK

>dramas everywhere
>meanwhile Hololive

>>102657630
even though everyone says that cover plays too nicely in an industry full of jealous assholes with knives behind their back, I've started to think that Hololive actually does significantly more harm to their competitors than they recieve back simply by selling their idyllic idol imagery. they set that as the expectation, and they hide the all the hard work and meticulous planning it takes to get there, so all these wannabes tear themselves apart trying to promise the same thing while hypocritically howling at holos.

it's really funny.

>>102658188
and yet you talk about us instead of nijiCN

>>102658201
hey… im not a bug

>102658189
Oh hi jeetkaner

>>102658229
The Holonatsu karaokes will be a pretty beautiful reminder of why they're queen bee in this fucking industry

>>102658223
anon saba has been hemorrhaging views as her debut buff wears off

>>102658229
No drama when there are no streams.

Schrodinger's Cuck: if (You) or your oshi lifts the box and it reveals a partner, you're a cuck. If you're ignorant and/or your oshi keeps the potential of a partner covered up, you're not a cuck.

>>102658120
she hasn't even replied to her bff mint

>>102658283
nobody cares about idolshit or singshit

>>102658250
Because most of phaseniggers are in this shithole. Sisters have their own shitholes.

>>102658223
That was a collab. Saba got 18k with FotM Donkey Kong and only Nimi overlap. And then after Nimi's bombshell, she got 15k without ANY overlap from EN or Nimi.

>>102658249
You have bit of a point, a vast majority of people don't really think of the infrastructure and the years of groundwork but only sees the numbers and the talents and think that they can just bumrush there and achieve success

>>102657297
>Your word count is at very least as big as mine
you started it lol (shitting out novels I mean)
I honestly don't want to debate theory here not even because it's offtopic but because it's fucking irrelevant to kson's world view or vtubers.
She would never said a dumb shit she did about corpos if she read theory.
>Wanna know what's the one and difference between "scientific socialism" and "utopian socialism" as described by Engels himself (and brushed upon by Marx as well)?
You don't seriously think that she's an utopian socialists lol? She has never thought about it once in her life I can assure you. Her understanding doesn't go past "corpo scammed me = corpo bad = corpo not needed)
>this type of ideological retard is so adamant in trying to destroy Hololive in particular and corporate vtubers as a whole.
but WHO who the fuck are you talking about? tectone, asmon or moistcritical are not socialists. All cry about exploitative jap corpos (including hololive)
literally zero actual commies are involved in this debate. And if they were unironically vtubers would be organizing into vtuber owned organizations instead of being scammed left and right because they are retarded and uneducated.
>It is not that they thing Hololive is inferior and would fail otherwise, they KNOW Hololive is superior but they consider it morally wrong so they have a mission to destroy it even if it would disadvantage the Holo girls.
I mean... I don't like to talk about hololive in the first place because in the eyes of the fans hololive is not a corpo it's a group of talents. Cover is a corpo and there's a huge distinction between them.
Hololive is the way it is exactly because talents have a decent amount of power. And corpo is trying to appease them in some ways because they also know that talents have power to ruin them. It's been a balancing act for years. Lately it went too far into corpo territory and they lost a lot of important talents. We'll see if things get better... Yagoo wants to show that he is trying but in the end of the day cover is a corpo and also exploitative. Will it ruin hololive one day? Maybe. They sure as fuck stopped making real hololive and switched to dev_is scheme for JP. Talents of which clearly have worse contracts and less control over their brand.

>>102658013
>>102658127
>>102658298
Are you underage?

>>102658298
Mhm, but she's still the #1 EN Indie

It goes like this
>Holos
>ex-Holos
>The rest

>>102658316
your oshi renamed herself and revealed she was cucking you though
you are not protected by "n-nooo that's nimi not fauna"
the vtuber veil is pierced by RL announcements like relationships

>>102658348 (me)
The corpos who tried to hire "gura killers" is a great example

Ohayama got the "small" engine today, they must be saving the engine for something els-
>KOSHIEN FINALS START TOMORROW
Oh......

jesus fucking christ, this bitch still wants nendo
https://x.com/airaniiofifteen/status/1948385013180879211

>>102658344
so why Phase, indies, Vshojo (lol) are doing "idolshit" ?

>>102658423
>4 AM
>still climbing

>>102658346
this
saba is cooked

>>102658384
ironmouse gets far more viewers than saba now that her buffs have worn off

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2201320/Date_Everything/
r8 the Gigi kusoge

>>102658344
>>102658440
Samefagging.

>>102658436
For fucks sake woman

>>102658484
Ironmouse is a 7k average, mate. A 7k average ON TWITCH

May i see proof that this "botting engine" exists?

>>102658060
it will eventually

>>102658348
What are you even talking about?
>the infrastructure and the years of groundwork
Myth and Promise achieved their success despite the groundwork and infrastructure that did everything to hold them back.
There was zero positive support from Cover during the first 3 years.

>>102658497
oh i remember that game from a nintendo direct. never watched it but now i might.

>>102658536
You're getting baited by an underage brown.

this is NUTS

>>102658530
Don't ruin your company's victory parade you stupid bitch

>>102658484
>gigabuff
>30k
grim

>>102658559
They were undersupported yes, but not without backing

>>102658436
>>102658530
i dunno if it's a miracle that roboco is not nearly as pathetic as iofi or if iofi is just that pathetic.

>>102656440
Calm down, phasenig. Now is not the time for fear… that comes later.

>>102658536
>on twitch
yes? youtube is full of ESL brown thirdies like you, twitch audience is white and thus its way easier to get viewers on youtube

>>102658087
I know you want this to be true but /uuu/ had basically been abandoned in 2024, her fanbase was completely subsumed by the xitter freaks she's still riding with

>>102658617
Roboco is comfortable with where she is and not a fucking retard about it

>>102658530
I'd fucking celebrate hard the day this bitch gets terminated

>>102658641
Explains why twitch chat is so cancerous

>>102658612
The >backing they received was being held back by management not pushed forward. Why do you think the girls who debuted before Advent generally have fans that dislike Cover but love Hololive?

>>102658641
>twitch audience is white
>t. spic pretending to be spaniard

>>102658530
and you did nothing in those 6 years that is worth mention, you're just a worthless homo whore and a jealous bitch

>>102658641
>latinx
>white

>>102658703
>brownie cant handle the banter of twitch chat

>>102658559
They were paid on time, they were given the necessary tools to stream, they were given access to sponsorships which led to Mori signing with Universal, that was part of infrastructure.

What they did not recieve was manager treatment, EN only recieved good managers when Advent came.

>>102658617
roboco earns a shit ton more than iopi and she's actually entertaining and loved

>>102658685
Man i fucking love her

>>102654882
What was the point in even fighting now? Everybody was against him, and every single talent left the agency, there was literally nothing left to salvage.

You guys said gunrun would drop the mother of all nukes on everyone and destroy everything

Not a limpdick "I'm sorry it's on me also didn't know it was for charity lol"

>>102658765
>banter
post screencaps as examples

>>102658530
With all the terrible vtubers out there, Iofi manages to have her own unique brand of being a fucking dipshit unlikeable cunt. It's quite impressive.

>a jeet LARP as white
only in /#/

SEAMADLOL

>>102658370
>She would never said a dumb shit she did about corpos if she read theory.
Sorry, let me swerve the talk here, I'm not taking AT ALL about kson for the most part.
Kson is just a silly girl and a gold hearted content creator. Nothing of what I said applies specifically to her.
Her worldview is simple, she wishes she would create the content her heart desires and that the world would reward her for it. It's noble, it's laudable, it's hard to achieve but I love that bitch so let's not confuse thing here.

I'm talking about corporate critics for the most part. They don't realise (some do but...) that their whole worldview is "labor theory of work", one that the only people adding value to an endeavour is the worker operating the "means of production" and everyone in support roles (including the ones financing the whole thing) is unnecessary or, worse, malicious.
I read the rest of your post but my criticism about Hololive has some overlap, some difference and it would take even a bigger wall of text to properly convey it so it's not worth it.
My whole point can be summarise in these points
1) there is no barrier to entry in the vtuber industry for someone without the backing of a company
2) proof is in the pudding so, if Hololive is the most successful vtuber company, they must be providing something Indies can't really get on their own
3) most corpo critics are dumb commies latching to an ideology even more retarded than "real male vtubers have never been tried"
4) there are a LOT of things going wrong with corporations in the vtuber industry, but their critics are so dumb it makes it hard to agree with them
That's pretty much it

>Ironmouse
>twitch
it's the brazilian schizo again...

>>102658832
I didn't say anything but i won't lie and say that i'm not disappointed, especially with all the shit that everyone else knew

>>102658530
Iofi manages to be more worthless than every single homo in the company
you could replace her with literally anyone

>>102658530
nice, this means more mass EN x ID collabs soon
I want IRyS to collab with Reine again

>>102658771
>They were paid on time
That's called obeying the law. Not infrastructure.
>they were given the necessary tools to stream
I see you weren't around for their debuts.
>they were given access to sponsorships which led to Mori signing with Universal
Not even newfags are this delusional about Mori's first year success these days. Omega you need to get back to job hunting on Linkedin

>>102658436
Why doesn't anyone have the guts to tell her that it's because there's just too little demand for it and it wouldn't sell much?
Cmon man face reality

>>102658617
>i dunno if it's a miracle that roboco is not nearly as pathetic as iofi or if iofi is just that pathetic.
Anon? Roboco bought a fucking plot of land and build fucking house
>IN TOKYO
don't confuse the relative pecking order of Hololive with any sign of weakness, Rococo can EASILY outearn any HoloID except MAYBE (big maybe) Kaela, and that goes for other corpos too.

>>102658530
can't wait to see the meltdown when former holos get one before her

>>102656571
She is a singer who likes people who sing. And she probably saw a burger tweet and that's just 2 for 2 plus a cute girl. Catnip for Rissa.

>>102657821
Oh no, anon. Please continue to report and post every slutty thumbnail that you find in this thread.

>>102658929
I still remember when Moona shilled Dubais in front of FWMC and even Ollie was like "What the fuck?"

>>102658968
but roboco took longer to get a nendoroid than the earliest that iofi bitched about not having one. roboco is still one of the least popular holos, but you don't see her complaining about not getting the top dog collabs even though she's literally top 3 OGs in holo.

>>102658585
Man doesn't read just searches ironmouse and hits retweet

people only want Kson to return to holo so they can say that gura and nimi will return to, they dont actually like Kson

>>102658530
terminate this dumb useless whore already holy fuck

>>102659009
yeah, thankfully IRyS' only ID friend is Reine so I don't care about the others

>>102659047
I just do it because the Return Stream would probably do some insane numbers

>>102658530
even Kiara wasn't melting down every month when her nendo took years to paint

>>102658920
>Iofi manages to be more worthless than every single homo in the company
kek, her is something funny (not about Iofi in particular but the homos)
>BACK WHEN THE EN HOMOS WERE AT FULL STRENGTH, A SINGLE RISU MERCH RUN OUTEARNED ***THE COMBINED EN HOMOS*** BY A HUGE MARGIN

Notice this is not about Iofi or even Risu, but about how much the homos underperform. FUCKIN RISU

You guys work fast

>>102659047
I was somewhat ok with Coco when she didn't go too far in trying to make other innocent holos talk about cumpissass.
kson is awful though, between nuxtaku collabs, chaturbate, 50%+ flesh streams and trash taste that's a big no thanks.

>>102659126
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

So what now? Are we just going to poke a stick at phase until they either makes some moves or capsize?

>>102659006
She was literally complaining about her fans lewding her yesterday by drawing her without the white top under her bra, only to then use that art as her next thumbnails.

>>102659047
Nimi wouldn't pass the vibe check in 2025. The full Promise veto would slam down.

>>102659047
I don't really care honestly, Im waiting for her to open a fansly and show her ass more

>>102659126
That better be saying was a failure

>>102659151
Their girls seem pretty good at all becoming NTR streamers by themselves, one after the other

in the end, Liggers won

>>102659127
Coco had this little thing where she said to management that she was going to do one thing, only to then do something more explicit or lewder while on stream. This led to management being far more strict and hands-on with their talents, which probably affected the newborn side branch called Hololive English.

>>102658530

>>102658970
>USA accounts
when the JP accounts start following that means something is in the works

>>102659252
>Niggerball slop
We need the holo version

>>102659034
>but roboco took longer to get a nendoroid than the earliest that iofi bitched about not having one.
Matsuri got the first Holo Nendo, it is not ranked by any sort of present day popularity (because Matsuri was not the #1 most popular Holo when it was produced)

>>102658530
Why is she still in holo

Strike her down, Watamage. Put an end to this mess.

>>102658530
How come they haven't give her a warning or anything? This tweet reeks of jealousy, disrespectful and unprofessionalism