So let me get this straight, you watched hundreds or thousands of hours of her streams but suddenly it stopped being entertaining because she's not single?

>>102653526 (OP)
Yes, actually.

>>102653526 (OP)
That's how it works, yes.

>>102653526 (OP)
I didn't watch any of her streams

>>102653526 (OP)
No vtuber is single btw

>>102653526 (OP)
I've spent more time broswing porn of her than watching her stream actually

>>102653791
wait, i don't remember posting this

So let me get this straight, she lied to you for hundreds or thousands of hours of her streams but suddenly it it's okay because she told you the truth eventually?

>>102653526 (OP)
it's more like she stopped being entertaining because now every stream i'm waiting for her to suddenly bring up her husband or bring him on stream

>>102653526 (OP)
Now that I know why she threw all of Hololive under the bus by blaming management, yes

>>102653526 (OP)
I watched dozens of hours of game of thrones, then suddenly it stopped being entertaining when the main character decided to act completely out of character and like a retard. Up until that point it was entertaining, then from that point onward it wasn't. It's really not that complicated.

isn't lusting over someone else's wife is just the normal instinct of men? i have done it multiple times

>>102653526 (OP)
karma for what this vile bitch did to my clock wife will get to her eventually I hope

>>102653526 (OP)
Yes

>>102653526 (OP)
She graduated, that was enough. She's still a goofy nerd but without the sex Fauna model and hololive collabs it's not nearly as entertaining. Whether this was related to her relationship or not isn't something I care about.

>>102653856
she never said she's single...

>>102653526 (OP)
She was entertaining for a woman, not actually entertaining like a man.

>>102654580
Isn't that the same bs excuse that cheaters use?

You can tell the tourists because they never use the word kayfabe.

>>102654702
In this case is not even cheating, so you cannot bring up this point. It's a different matter.
Here we're talking about if she lied or not. No, she hasn't lied because she never talked about it at all.

>>102654580
You're not familiar with the concept of lying through omission? When you know pertinent information is relevant to someone's decisions, and you willfully neglect to reveal that information, you are by very strict definition being deceptive. This is especially condemning when you directly benefit from this deception. To be deceptive on purpose is no different from lying. Splitting hairs is an insufficient argument. You know full well what is expected from women that lean full tilt into parasocial or GFE content. Acting like the deception is fine because the people being deceived should have known better is victim blaming. Desperate, lonely, and vulnerable men deserve just as much respect and courtesy as everyone else. It's wrong to let these men believe something untrue just so you can make money off of them. You can't pretend like you weren't aware of these men so it's therefore impossible to prevent this outcome.

>>102653791
Mega based.

>>102655074
All those words are meaningless in this context and what i have said.
Read carefully, i said "she never said she is single", so she never lied.
If you want to imply other things that may or not may be morally correct, that's another matter.
But if we're talking about lying then we can say that she hasn't lied, she may have omitted, but you don't really know how long this relationship is and mostly it should not be your problem. She has all the rights to speak openly or not about it whenever she wants. Nobody here is in relationship with her and if you follow her for a parasocial reason, it's your problem.

>>102655074
So how was "I'm not your friend, I'm just an entertainer" her lying through omission? Go back.

>>102655826
Your argument is splitting hairs. You're attempting to distort the definition of the word "lie". You have no argument. You know that you can interpret anything in a dishonest way like this to avoid any truth.
>>102655994
>skirting around the truth
>how is this lying through omission?
Saying you're not friends is not the same as saying you're engaged. That's why her announcement on twitter wasn't her reiterating "we're not friends". You know it's different and you know the difference is important. You're also trying to argue in bad faith.

>>102653821
I am, but I'm male.

>>102655074
Sounds like vtubing as an industry is inherently predatory and should be destroyed.

>>102653526 (OP)
Yes. Vtubing utilizes a very specific trick of psychology / neurobiology to have the pleasing effect that it does. It's very easily disrupted once you know what the best-balanced formula is for suspension of disbelief vs actual belief. Once you have actual facts in there it gets disrupted and to make it 100% ambiguous and purposefully known, what she was trying to do is now never gonna feel the same. It'd be like trying to re-believe in Santa Claus again.

>>102656211
??? How is it bad faith?
She established a very clear boundry. She's does not make "girlfriend experience" content. She doesn't think it's healthy to see youtubers as personal friends, because frankly, it isn't.
That's not the content she made, pure and simple, and the people who actually watch her have always understood that.
She couldn't have made it any clearer. She just wants to be a fuckin streamer, man.

>>102656456
Nothing is immoral about being upfront and honest from the beginning. There are hundreds of vtubers that are honest and they build their community like normal. But there is a real financial incentive to cater to lonely men because those men are tremendously generous with financial support. The trouble rises not from catering to them, but catering to them dishonestly. Expecting them to sacrifice for a vtuber, but that vtuber never intending to sacrifice for them is obviously unfair. Even monkeys can tell when something is unfair.

>>102653526 (OP)
Yes. Mate, entertainment tourists need to die.

>>102656556
>She couldn't have made it any clearer.
What a fucking retarded thing to say. Brother, she could have been honest about being in a relationship the moment the relationship started. A fiancee doesn't pop up out of the ground. A long relationship occurs before that, but she was still gladly accepting money from men that she knew assumed she was single knowing full well they would stop giving her money if they knew the truth.

This is beyond refutation. She knew that being honest would earn her less money so she decided against it for what is very likely years. You can claim all you want that she wasn't GFE but her intentions don't matter if the result is the same for her audience. You know what she was doing was wrong and you're desperately trying to make excuses for her. You're fucking disgusting.

>>102656852
lmao what the fuck, you're an actual lunatic.
She doesn't owe you shit nigga, certainly not details about her personal life. It's a fucking youtuber, grow up.
>THE GAME GRUMPS ARENT MY DAD????????? FUCK I THOUGHT THEY WERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IM GOING CRAZY AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>102653526 (OP)
I stop watching, and ended membership when she said chat could not be friends. Like bitch, I'm here for escapism not trying to remind myself of reality.

>>102657158
>it's okay that I'm being lied to constantly because I don't actually care lmao
If you don't care then your opinion doesn't matter.

Well I didn't watch a single second of her but I'd drop anyone for similar conduct

>>102656852
She doesn't owe you details about her personal life.

>>102653526 (OP)
Yeah.

>>102653526 (OP)
>hey guys my name is fauna i'm a cute anime girl in japan and i'm a vtuber! please watch me perform idol shows and play funny games on the stream with my vtuber friends!
>fast forward to now
>hey guys my name is nimi and i have a husband and two kids. here's a selfie i took the other day when i was trying on wedding dresses, don't i look so hot? my tits keep getting bigger it's so annoying but i guess that means titfucks are easier teehee. oh quiet down billy mommy's trying to play umamusume for the stream, stop crying or do you need to suckle on mommy's tits again for milk? sorry chat you have to excuse me for a bit my husband said he wants to have sex so bye losers! thanks for the money we'll spend it on a wedding while you incels sit at home in your basements!

>>102653526 (OP)
yes. she destroyed the suspension of disbelief
the more a vtuber talks about her personal life the harder it is to watch because you become cynical. to give a hypothetical example, every
>teehee uwu I'm so silly
becomes
>ma'am you are 34 and going through your second divorce
in my brain

>>102657237
>go to theatre
>see actor playing a character
>FUCK IM BEING LIED TO
>GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK

>>102655994
> "I'm not your friend, I'm just an entertainer, and I want you to know I am getting married, information that should really be shared only with friends and relatives"

>>102653526 (OP)
That's how I look when I crossdress

>>102653526 (OP)
Not exactly. I just reached my tipping point with the latest additions and how it reframes the past. She was never my oshi or anything, so it's easy to unsub and move on.

>>102653526 (OP)
It shows that she's a manipulative snake.

>>102657373
do you watch her content?

>>102657366
except the actor is following a script and in-character
imagine now if the play lasted several hours, every day, for years. there was no script, and really the actor played no character but himself after the first 30 seconds, then you would shift the expectations from the character into the actor. the lie was knowingly pretending to follow those expectations

>>102657251
>she's not obligated to be honest about something that benefits her financially
If you're a moral person, and somebody is giving you money based on something you know isn't true, you will refuse their money or disclose the truth. The responsibility of teaching you the difference between right and wrong shouldn't fall into my shoulders.

>>102657366
Yet another dishonest argument.

>>102657459
>telling the truth is manipulation
clown world

>buy my predebut merch
>SWIPE YOUR CARDS FOR ME LOSERS
>fund my wedding

fauna/nimi fans are the most disgusting losers on the entire internet lmao

>>102657572
no, that part is fine. how her graduation went down looks bad to me now. and i dislike milking her fans upon redebut only to drop this info after she has their money.

>>102657572
It is if you do only after having already made fat stacks of cash.

>>102657561
if you are a moral person and you are selling illusions you can't dispel them at random and for no reason at all. she could have retired and married, she could have married but kept it private to not destroy the character she decided to embody. saying you have hiv is fine and no one should judge you for it, unless you do it after donating blood for years

>>102657572
>Spends years stringing along lonely virgins
>"Hey guys i'm getting married and pumped full of cum! Thanks for the Money!"
This on top of all her other past bullshit. Like every other month this bitch comes up with something new. It's a pattern.

>>102653526 (OP)
She couldn't keep her fat mouth shut and lacks the common sense to seperate her private life from her streaming life. She can fuck right off for all I care.

>>102657517
It's still a performance. It's entertainment media. It's not a substitute for reality and it isn't a real, two way relationship. The onus is on your ability to seperate fantasy from reality, to not think the radio is talking to you directly.
Unless you have literal schizophrenia, I think you can act like an adult and manage that responsibility just fine.

>>102657761
what's wrong with telling your fans you're moving into a new chapter in your life and they are free to decide if they want to continue supporting you accordingly

>>102657875
>it's your fault
You're such a fucking cuck.

>>102653526 (OP)
Yes, it actually is that simple. Why should we financially support and give time to a woman that is already being loved and supported by another man? Literally worse than being in the friend zone cause you don’t even directly interact with her

>>102657944
>JACKSCEPTIC EYE ISNT MY PERSONAL BEST FRIEND????? FUCK AAAAAAAAAAA

>>102653526 (OP)
>you watched hundreds or thousands of hours of her streams
Imagine having spent so much time on someone who was having a relationship behind your back. I'd feel like a cuckold.

>>102658119
You resort to hyperbole because you lost the argument. You know what she did was wrong and you have no actual excuse for it.

>>102657875
>substitute for reality
>two way relationship
>think the radio is talking to you directly
no one said anything about this, you are projecting
if this happened irl I wouldn't be bitching about it here. this is going to destroy your brain, but you can dislike something and even feel wronged without being schizophrenic

I will explain it again for you but going a step further: if I were watching a theater show and an actor suddenly broke character and started talking about his personal life I would dislike him for ruining the show. the expectation for vtubers is incredibly minimalist: staying in character for them means just to limit their exposure, it isn't even the "staying in character" expected from actual performances. and yet, she failed and ruined a performance that had been running for years, retroactively. because unlike an actor that does different shows, the vtuber career is monolithic, or at least in her case it was

>>102658199
>being in a normal healthy relationship is wrong

>>102653526 (OP)
Being a vtuber fan is the equivalent of being in the friendzone except you're not even actually her friend.

i dont watch her but i love gossip. how did this go down?

>>102658264
she didn't ruin the performance she started a new one

>>102658199
I don't think what she did was wrong. I don't think I have a personal relationship with an e-celebrity, so I don't understand why I'm supposed to think there's a problem.
I resort to hyperbole because
A) it's funny
B) it illustrates how ridiculous your line of thought is
It's a very sick and strange way to think about an entertainment product. I'm sorry I can't hide my disgust. I think extremely little of you.

>>102658342
Yeah like at least with a chick irl being in the friend zone, I have the opportunities to drug and rape her. Can’t even do that here

>Boy I sure hope that these corpos aren't publicly traded and trying to make money from lonely and desperate men, but yeah, it's the streamers' faults.
>>102657944
How can you be a cuck for someone you aren't even in a relationship with? Literally what the other anon was trying to say about separating fantasy from reality

>>102653526 (OP)
No, as I said it before in the other thread it's weirdly uncomfortable.
First she said we aren't friend, ok you want to set some rules here I fully support and understand then she come out and announce her marriage to us, congratulation I guess?

>>102658342
What's lower than being friendzoned? NPCzoned? Strangerzoned?

>>102657910
I just told you, there is people that paid money for this illusion and it was a bitch move to completely shatter it for no reason

if I tell you I don't care about her private life and that she shouldn't share it because it interferes with her work, you tell me that there is no character

if I tell you that she shouldn't have predated on lonely men through gfe type content when she was married, you tell me that the character is a separate entity from the person

in the end I will just say she is a whore and you are a cuck and the lurkers will decide

>>102658524
Cucked

>>102658264
>and yet, she failed and ruined a performance that had been running for years
one you actually watched? she didn't violate any established expectations. she was clear about her boundaries with her audience. As I said, she just wants to be a fucking streamer. Not your virtual girlfriend, not your personal friend, just a video game streamer and an anime character. You don't watch her content.

>>102658538
>I just told you, there is people that paid money for this illusion and it was a bitch move to completely shatter it for no reason
would you rather her not say it and continue lying?

>>102658268
The relationship is merely the content of the lie. It's not why lying is a problem. Being in a relationship isn't immoral. Not disclosing that relationship to men she knows assumes she is not in a relationship is immoral.

>>102658449
>I don't think
It's not about you. It's about the vulnerable men being exploited.
>I think extremely little of you.
I'm not one of the people she took advantage of. Pointing out her immoral actions is benign.

>>102658499
>splitting hairs
You're defending the idea that men should financially support women that are in relationships with other men. There are parallels there with the motivations between this rationale and the delusions cucks indulge in. A cuck financially supports his wife while she is being fucked by another man. What makes you even more pathetic is that you're not even married to this woman. You're nothing to her. You're just a wallet. A cuck has more self respect than you do.

>>102658538
>gfe type content
She's not GFE though

>>102656456
It's no different from any other product. You have what should be a mutual understanding. Someone could give you a forgery and you may never know, you could live your life thinking you have the real thing, since it looks and acts like it. But it doesn't change the fact that they are benefiting from the gap in mutual understanding. It is obviously not ethical to do so, no matter how much you throw your arms up and say "oh I didn't know you assumed that :)", that's just a manipulation tactic because it's not sincere and you know you're withholding information to benefit from it

>>102658761
What does your mother do for work, anon?

>>102658773
Gaslighting here doesn't work.

>>102653526 (OP)
yeah because I'm not giving my money to some other dude on the other end. I don't care if you're dating or married if you're a vtuber, just do not tell us about it. We don't want to know. You are playing a fictional character, not your IRL self. Christ what don't some vtubers get? Specially the western ones.

Oh I'm a cuck! I'm a cuck !
I'm a napling cuck!

>>102658843
It certainly doesn't, so stop trying.
https://youtu.be/OfeUK9at5W4

>>102658835
>let's take this argument into the weeds
What an embarrassing display. Stop being so assmad when someone justifiably acknowledges that this woman did something immoral. If you had any spine you would just say "yeah, she fleeced some retards" but instead you're sitting here twisting and writhing like a worm trying to play word games. You do this because you're ashamed of the truth. This woman doesn't deserve your support. She was dishonest with you just like she was dishonest with them. You may not have lost a lot but that doesn't change the fact that she thinks the same of you as she thinks of them.

>>102658675
yes, I prefer when the actor stays in character. the confusion you seem to have arises from the fact that for most vtubers the character is merely a version of themselves because it would be impossible to truly improvise a character, live, for thousands of hours. so even if at moments it seems as if the fans were there for the person and not the character, or that there was no difference between the two, there actually is, and it is defined by just a few rules, one of which is precisely not doing this type of thing

>>102658648
brother don't make me quote some of her content. do you also think cigarette companies are justified and good people because of the little disclaimer on the packs?

>>102656211
> You're attempting to distort the definition of the word "lie"
No, you're just putting a definition into "lie"
There's a reason why "lie" and "omission" are two different terms.

>You know that you can interpret anything in a dishonest way like this to avoid any truth.
You're saying this like she has some "obligations" about it to you.
No she hasn't. As i said, her personal life it's not your problem, she has the right and the freedom to say things whenever she feels like right.
She hasn't ever said "no, i'm single", that's a fact.

>>102658538
She played her role for years in hololive and now she's moving on. She's not obliged to do it forever just because you gave her 5 bucks a month

>>102658941
Oh she unleashed this on her debut stream? Then it turns out I'm not wrong at all. You can't gaslight here. You didn't mysteriously forget about all of her content before this clip you continually reference. You're conveniently ignoring it because it makes you look stupid.

>>102653526 (OP)
Yes. What are you going to do about it, bike cuck boy?

>>102658958
Not an argument.

>>102653526 (OP)
>you watched hundreds or thousands of hours of her
Actually I've watched 0, same goes for every single EN "vtuber".

>>102658958
>>102658761
>>102657944
Is this guy trying to be a character actor too now?

>>102659017
>There's a reason why "lie" and "omission" are two different terms.
That's why I said "lying through omission" you stinking rat.
>You're saying this like she has some "obligations" about it to you.
You're insisting that because it's possible for her to lie that it is permissible for her to lie. You're still trying to distort shit. Everyone assumed she was single for a multitude of reasons. The fact that she avoided saying that means she knew saying it would have consequences. In other words she knew she was being deceptive. Being deceptive on purpose, and profiting off of that deception, is very immoral. That is a fact.

>>102659112
>ask for personal information
>get pissy when I refuse to do so

>>102659055
Yeah not thinking a youtuber is my girlfriend makes me look stupid, you're right.

>>102653526 (OP)
Watched her first few weeks in Holo, then found her Lemonleaf posts and got the fuck out of there as fast as I could.

>>102659340
It's not about you, bro. Acting like it is about you is no different from saying a stranger being killed in front of you is not immoral because you weren't the victim. You're refusing to acknowledge why her actions were wrong.

>>102659280
I'm just wondering who her boss is. The man who financially supports her, paid for your diapers and what not. Unless she's a stay at home mom? Very quaint and traditional. University educated?

>>102659439
You're refusing to explain how they're wrong. She established clear boundaries. No one was forced to part with their money. Your delusions aren't an entertainer's responsibility.

>>102658941
What's the point of announcing her marriage to her audience?

>>102659033
I think the same, except she forgot to mention this for quite some time after leaving holo. I would still think it was sub-optimal because she is definitely not doing a different character (she can't, skill issue) as nimi

>>102659535
Woman moment

>>102659535
She wants to give up the idol performative behavior while also not having to put as much effort in. She's a wife now, you can't be mad when she takes a 9 month break

>>102659448
>a woman receives compensation for labor enforceable by contract law
>this somehow means women are moral when they deliberately deceive men and benefit from their generosity based on that deception
I'm not going down your retarded gymnastic rabbit hole.

>>102659521
>She established clear boundaries
All streamers do. This is not disclosure of important information. These are two very different concepts. Boundaries is not synonymous with honesty.

>>102658761
>You're defending the idea that men should financially support women that are in relationships with other men. There are parallels there with the motivations between this rationale and the delusions cucks indulge in. A cuck financially supports his wife while she is being fucked by another man. What makes you even more pathetic is that you're not even married to this woman. You're nothing to her. You're just a wallet. A cuck has more self respect than you do.
I think it's funny you think the only reason anyone enjoys anything that has a woman in the process is trying to be in a relationship with said woman. I'm sure you never shop at businesses that have women in them because the waitress might be married, and tipping would make you a cuck.

>splitting hairs
Holy projection. It's literally not even splitting hairs but the definition of the word you are using as your anchoring point.

>but it's the character she's playing
Yeah? She's playing a single lonely female? Is that in her character lore description too?

>>102653526 (OP)
Sorry, I don't cum to married women

>>102659668
no one cared when gura took an entire year. this was done out of spite for her own fans and her career that she both hates but will not quit

>>102659222
>That's why I said "lying through omission" you stinking rat.
And then i said that in this context cannot be a thing, because of the relationship you are with her. It's not something like friendship or dating that she's lying not saying certain things when prompted. Also i don't even know if or how much her followers actually prompted asked that. That's why we cannot talk about "lying".

>The fact that she avoided saying that means she knew saying it would have consequences. In other words she knew she was being deceptive. Being deceptive on purpose, and profiting off of that deception, is very immoral.
That's not a fact actually. You're implying she did this for the purpose of profiting, and not a matter of privacy, or nda when she was in Hololive.

A fact it's an evidence, a statement, not something you imply or just imagine by what you see or hear.

>>102659670
So no on being university educated

>>102659673
Deliberately misinterpreting words is insufficient to convince me that I'm wrong. You're wasting your time to make yourself feel better about not having an argument. You know what she was doing was wrong.
>but but but she never explicitly said
Pathetic defense. The only way this argument would hold water is if you can convince me that she didn't know that men were giving her financial support with the assumption that she wasn't in a relationship. You can't supply a single shred of evidence to support the idea that she was ignorant of this. She knew being honest from the beginning was a bad idea so she avoided it. It wasn't simply some freak coincidence. She was being deceptive on purpose in order to exploit the desperately lonely.

This is immoral.

>>102653526 (OP)
>/vt/ be like:
Fauna debutes - nah bland design and boring
Nimi debutes - actually Fauna wer funny and her design absolut peak
Nimi reveals her fiance - bring back the old Nimi its not fun anymore

in one year:
Nimi reveals her kid - bring back the times with only Nimi and her husband

you niggas are horrid and lonely

>>102659896
Still trying to come up with weak ass excuses.
>her viewers and supporters aren't entitled to the truth!
>You're implying she did this for the purpose of profiting
Arguing to the contrary would be insanity. Other people profiting as well isn't a defense. If someone compels you to lie, that doesn't make your lie moral.

>>102659995
>Deliberately misinterpreting words
What words were deliberately misinterpreted? Explain.

>>102653526 (OP)
I've never watched a Fauna or Nimi stream. I did watch her pre-recorded Outer Wilds playthough though, and wish she would off-stream play the expansion as Nimi.
And I did watch her videos as Lemonleaf.
Anyway, no I'm not mad.

There are only two reasonable, or rational options that she was given
>Either keep the illusion going, never bring it up no matter what and continue milking the wallets of lonely men (she already did this as Fauna anyway)
Or
>Fuck off, retire and live a happy life with her husband

>>102653526 (OP)
Yes, fuck yes. Husband should provide now, not me. She found her love. Let him support her and play his role as husband. A man should be able to provide for his family.

>>102660309
a man should find 4 or 5 women and savagely exploit them for internet money. have you been asleep the last 10 years?

>>102653526 (OP)
Yes.

>>102658524
Worse than all of those. You become a cuckling. A fate worse than death.

>>102653526 (OP)
No, because she announced it out of nowhere reminding me of my solitude and how I will die alone

>>102660231
or do what she did and continue streaming for people who don't care about her family life while not having to worry about keeping it hidden

>>102660408
A pimp? Spiritually I guess her husband is her pimp? He obviously is reaping the benefits of this and is also banging her.

>>102660162
Lie. Omission. Cuck. Relationship. Responsibility.

This discussion is about morality, not etymology. I've described at length why her actions were immoral. I'll repeat it again for you because you might have lost track.

She is a streamer.
A certain group of her audience assumes she is single. This assumption is made for a ton of different reasons, but a lot of it has to do with Hololive and the vtuber culture.
This is an important distinction for these members of her audience.
She herself is aware of these people and what their assumption is.
She is in a relationship that has lasted for a long time.
She did not disclose this until recently, which means there was a long period of time where she chose not to disclose this information.
As we've established, she knows about these men in her audience and what they expect from her.
Despite this knowledge she chooses to deliberately avoid being truthful to these people with the complete knowledge that they are giving her money based on a false assumption she is perpetuating.
I.E. she lied through omission, and directly benefited financially from this lie through omission.

Is she alone? No. A ton of vtubers perpetuate this same lie for similar reasons. In no world would anyone believe that this lie through omission was strictly and solely due to not wanting to disclose any personal information or that her audience was not worthy of any disclosure, but that argument FLEW OUT OF THE WINDOW when she publicly disclosed the truth herself. Clearly she doesn't have an issue sharing pertinent personal information with her audience AFTER she has exploited vulnerable men to her satisfaction.

Even if you were not personally affected, I'm prompting you to examine her decisions and actions in an objective manner. This is not a moral person. Moral people to not allow misunderstandings to continue on purpose while profiting off of that misunderstanding. I don't want to resort to a food analogy for you to understand this. I'm tired of forcing low IQ people to see things from any perspective that isn't their own.

>>102653526 (OP)
No, i hated her voice.

>>102653526 (OP)
I'll let this old pic explain it for you. Dicking them isn't feasible but that doesn't stop the brain from thinking its a possibility.

>>102660094
>her viewers and supporters aren't entitled to the truth!
Never said this. It's not about being "entitled of the truth", but entitled to force someone to tell such private matter.

>Arguing to the contrary would be insanity
Arguing without evidence and on pure implications is just insanity. Stop trying to finding demons or everyone is evil and doing things because they're bad and they want to fuck you.

>If someone compels you to lie, that doesn't make your lie moral.
Still saying it's a "lie" i see. While it's more about "don't talk about this, because it's private matter" and also even this is an implication because we don't really know about their NDAs.

>>102659638
>>102659668
I didn't meant it as to attack her but out of pure confusion.
It's like a girl walk up to you and told you "I already have a boyfriend" or "I'm married" and you just can't help but keep asking yourself what's going on?

>>102653526 (OP)
Yeah. Didn't help that her streams were more and more of games I didn't give a shit about either

>>102660896
*slow clap* absolute based beyond words.

>>102660896
An old classic that never dies.

>>102660951
>Never said this
You strongly implied it. The point you were trying to make is contingent on it. You're only backing down on it now that I've succinctly illustrated what a shitty point it was by rephrasing it.

>Arguing without evidence
Lack of evidence of the inner thoughts of someone doesn't mean no rational conclusions can be made about their intentions. You're trying to dissolve any sort of discussion you don't like by pretending nothing can ever be proven. I have supplied multiple examples of my logic and rationale to support my conclusion. You can only respond with "but you shouldn't assume malice despite every incentive and reward to be malicious".
>we don't really know about their NDAs.
Let me stop you right there. Consequences for telling the truth do not make the lie moral, only justifiable. There's a huge difference between moral and justifiable. Serial killers can justify their actions. So while what you're saying about the NDAs is true, because we don't know the details, it doesn't change the fact that lies (through omission) were told and those lies (through omission) were profitable to immoral people.

>>102660468
>A fate worse than death.
Any more canned redditisms you want to subject us too?
And my axe?
Fuck this is embarassing to read

>>102660791
God you are such a child

>>102660896
Say if your pal magically turn into a girl one day is it ok to fuck her?

>>102653526 (OP)
Yeah it just isn't the same for me, her stream yesterday was the same as normal but everything felt different.

>>102661495
Even a child knows what she did was wrong, meanwhile you are just a brainless cuck defending this married woman's actions as if you even knew her.

>>102661495
Remarks the person desperately avoiding simply saying "yeah, she was immoral, but I still support her". You are not being attacked. Stop getting defensive. You can admit when someone you like isn't perfect.

>>102660977
There's a lot of possible reasons. Her husband gave her an ultimatum or was unhappy needing to be silent in his own house. She was being blackmailed and wanted to be the one to break the news. She didn't want to lie by omission anymore or why she'll be taking breaks in the future. She realized keeping a kid and husband hidden is really fucking hard when your talking for potentially hours a day.
People /here/ acting like there's literally no reason to reveal it are insane.

>>102661378
>You strongly implied it.
See? You can just see implications of things. Not the reality of what people are saying.

>Lack of evidence of the inner thoughts of someone doesn't mean no rational conclusions can be made about their intentions.
Indeed you need facts through her statements to sustain your thesis.

>I have supplied multiple examples of my logic and rationale to support my conclusion
Which are useless if everything we have is her not saying anything before, even unprompted.

>it doesn't change the fact that lies (through omission) were told and those lies (through omission) were profitable to immoral people.
Here you're just implying they're immoral and they're not saying anything for profit, and not for any other reasons, which there are, but you don't want to take in consideration.

>>102660646
no I mean in general

>>102661644
I'm just a passerby with no skin in the game. You seem very immature and neurotic, that's all.

>>102661771
>See? You can just see implications of things
I can interpret what people are saying and trying to avoid saying. You're not slick.
>Indeed you need facts
You have no facts to the contrary. See how stupid it is to insist I'm right just because you can't read the minds of vtubers?
>Which are useless
Take the time to explain how. Address my logic instead of playing little games.
>and not for any other reasons
Try to conjure up more rational reasons that also make being immoral impossible. I sincerely doubt you will even try because you know you can't.

>>102660896
I think that's what we call boundaries in short.

Ngl, big respect to the guy doing that for self-control and peace. But some dudes will try to force you out you know that will disgruntle both parties in the long run. Either you take the bait or just leave the guy on air or good case scenario talk things out.Maybe this dude really was falling for that OP and had to leave to make sure that he wouldn't cause drama in the long run.

Women should also do that too, minority of the women know when to stop talking to a guy/ girl if they are in a relationship. But some women will take this to either steal your man or cheat on you. It takes two to tango if that happens.

It's the way of human life. They take pride on something they feel they need to protect.

>>102653526 (OP)
It just started to seem malicious.

>>102661945
>I'm irrelevant and I disagree with you but I'm not coherent enough to come up with an argument
Cool. I don't give a shit.

>>102654565
This is what I've been trying to tell everyone these past 6 months

>>102662039
Okay you hit the nail on the board with this one. That's the word I am looking for.

>>102653526 (OP)
Yes? No shit

i thought people being upset about this was just a joke
it's real?
dude, vtubers are people playing a character lmao

>102662142
Shit tier bait go kys

>>102662190
you think vtubers are real

>>102653526 (OP)
Yes, it makes a difference.

I I'm uncomfortable financially supporting and being invested into married woman. That's against the bible.

>>102661678
Yea, my plausible rrat is the
>Her husband gave her an ultimatum or was unhappy needing to be silent in his own house.
She can't always keep him on the shadows forever but the eventual reveal will always happen when doxxers do something about it.

Another thought for me is that she should've been transparent on her debut or even after her debut. Everyone doesn't dig stuff like us schizos do.

>>102662248
how can vtubers be real if our eyes aren't real

>>102656556
She established a boundary and then broke it by revealing her personal details.

The flat whore behind Nimi is the one getting married, but she broke kayfabe and we can no longer disassociate Nimi's huge honkers from the flate whore. Just like you faggoids complain that politics doesn't belong in vtubing, don't bring up that you're getting railed by some older rich guy off camera.

>>102661988
>I can interpret what people are saying and trying to avoid saying
Sure, but still those are interpetration. You cannot take things from what i'm saying, manipulating and then act like i'm saying that, just because your interpetration were wrong.

>You have no facts to the contrary
I don't need that. I'm not the one accusing someone of something.

>Take the time to explain how
I have already said to you why, i said that all your logic is basing on something that don't really exist. An assumption you make, trying to associate "lying" with "omission" despite not knowing that this isn't the right context to do some relation.

>Try to conjure up more rational reasons that also make being immoral impossible
I already said something before: >>102659896
>a matter of privacy
It can still be about it, about privacy, not letting you know something this personal because she doesn't feel safe, she doesn't want to be judged. There are reasons, some that we actually cannot think right now. If you just want to jump on the bad reason, then that's your problem.

Stupid people deserve to suffer.

>>102662330
you broke kayfabe by getting invested in the person behind the avatar

Unicorns: talents should respect the kayfabe and keep the character they're playing as separate as possible from their personal lives

Also unicorns: I will dig up the talents' personal lives

>>102653526 (OP)
yes, there is zero point to invest anymore time in her now that she is married. In fact all the time spent watching her during the period she was hiding a relationship is wasted, time you'll never get back.
I only watched Fauna's tree building streams but knowing that you don't just get married after a year of knowing somebody she was 100% fucking the dude during that time period.
I want those hours back fucking waste of time.
Wasn't even my oshi but what was the point of even joining Hololive in the first place if you're gonna pull that shit in the end anyway?

>>102662385
Troll response

>>102662330
why can't her husband be part of her lore like Pekomama

>>102661678
I see so it's possibly that her husband family or her family has facebook and will up load their wedding pic there.
And given how doxing work yeah it's going to be the worst out come.

Thanks man, now I'm free. This is the most reasonable explanation.

>>102662420
not an argument

>>102662417
There was zero point to invest in her in the first place.

>>102661678
Its all on her dude. It isn't the first time.

>>102662499
I bought the rrats that they'd broken up

>>102661678
Then she should’ve done it 6 months ago

>>102662417
Its why she left, she doesn't look at her viewers as friends. Only wallets. Which let's be real is every big streamer.

>>102662545
yeah so did I. At least the only money I ever spent on her with a membership with a meme currency worth like 50cents

>>102657335
You know, if /here/ was just more honest about actually liking this weird shit and just went and watched some cuck/NTR porn every once in a while, people would be unironically happier.

>>102662052
Calm down sir

>>102653526 (OP)
Did it turn you on thinking about her getting it from her husband after the stream?

>>102662397
kek

I only watched her play outter wilds because I really like that game and it's fun to see people figure stuff out

>>102662417
>yes, there is zero point to invest anymore time in her now that she is married
>*continues to invest time in her*

>>102662378
Mumei doesn't have autism btw

>>102662545
There is zero point to invest into any of them due to availability. If you do then you are so fucking pants on head retarded that you ought to be fleeced.

>>102662357
>but still those are interpetration
Jesus fucking christ, faggot. Saying that I'm misinterpreting something without correcting the misinterpretation is insane. If I'm wrong, and you've spent the past two posts trying to point out that I'm wrong, why aren't you telling me HOW or WHY I'm wrong. It's because I'm correctly interpreting your dogshit argument and it makes you ashamed that you tried to make such an argument. You're ashamed you're getting blown the fuck out so you're dribbling out "well that's just like your interpretation, man". Get some fucking self awareness and learn when to shut the fuck up about something you can't support.

>I don't need that
In an argument you do. To argue is to adopt a counter claim. Failing to supply an counter argument means you're not arguing correctly. Insisting I need to supply you with a signed and notarized document where Nimi admits to wrongdoing, and that you won't believe any logic or rational conclusion without that proof, is absurd beyond belief. You're not engaging with the discussion. You're trying to run away while keeping your pride intact like a barking dog.
>trying to associate "lying" with "omission" despite not knowing that this isn't the right context to do some relation.
All this time you didn't even understand what a lie through omission was even though I explained it to you multiple times. You really are an 80 IQ mongrel. You won't even understand if I give you a braindead hypothetical.
>a matter of privacy
see the second to last paragraph in
>>102660791
Privacy doesn't explain her actions. You must be down bad for this woman if you're stretching yourself to this degree for her. Real bad. I was only joking before, but you must be a true cuck.

Any reasonable person would understand why she would hide her relationship from her audience when they're giving her tens of thousands of dollars while believing (whether it's pathetic to do so or not) that she's single. You're not being reasonable. This woman is not some angel that deserves a straight up delusional level of benefit of the doubt. She has been exploiting some the most pathetic men in the world and she did so completely unapologetically.

>>102662829
cuck

>>102662397
First let me say something I'm no unicorn but I get along with people on both sides of this whole debacle and I also wanna add that the sample pool I'm about to talk about isn't that big:
something I have noticed is that the majority of unicorns I know are the silent type, they aren't making up a fuss or stinking up the place, heck they didn't even wanna talk about it on dms and stuff, most of them are just sad/depressed and trying to move on
And that makes me question... Are those complaining actual unicorns? Or just shitters trying to cause trouble? Or maybe there's a small vocal minority of schizos pretending to be unicorns?

>>102662987
ok

>>102663021
No, unicorns are feeling a bit hurt, even if they know they shouldn't be, and the content doesn't feel the same anymore. They will tune in to a few streams, keep up with it but move on and find another oshi eventually.

>>102657335
Kek

>>102663021
>schizos pretending to be unicorns
it's normalfag twitter trannies who want to "own the chuds" and "destroy idol culture"

>>102657366
Retard

>>102663021
Some see it as an opportunity to intectually wank off publically using undergrad level argument theory. But no, none of these people watch streams. Don't bother, anon. Go play horse girls and have fun.

>>102661555
Me and a friend had gay straight fantasies about this when we were teenagers

>>102653526 (OP)
Because she ruined what makes idol vtubing work, yes. She opened the curtain, no one asked her to.

>>102663021
Unicorns need champions because they're too ashamed to be open with their feelings that aren't reciprocated. Nobody deserved to be deliberately misled and fleeced. Not children. Not the mentally handicapped. Not the elderly. And not lonely men.

>>102663235
>gay straight fantasies

>>102663021
Honestly, if my oshi came out and announced she was getting married I'd be disappointed to some extent, but I wouldn't try to make it other people's problem. I like them for their content and personality, not because I think I'm gonna fuck them one day. Perhaps I have this perspective because I've never been into idol culture and treat vtubers as another type of e-celeb. And I'm still gonna uoohpost about how much I want to pulverize her model's cunny no matter what.

>>102662952
>Saying that I'm misinterpreting something without correcting the misinterpretation is insane
I already did. I said before that it's not what i said, what i literally said, not what you interpreted. It's not that hard to understand that what i say, it's what i say, nothing else you should take, or at least to use against me.

>To argue is to adopt a counter claim
Which is what i did. I asked you proof about it, you cannot do it because you don't have, so you try to push a narrative and give it a logic, then i say that's not the only thing that could happen, and telling you about alternatives that may happen and work in the same way without any proof. So what i'm doing it's just showing you that without any proof anything i say have the same weight as yours, but i'm not accusing anybody of anything.

>All this time you didn't even understand what a lie through omission
Despite explaining you everytime that the context is different and you cannot use it in there? All right dude.

>Any reasonable person
Here you think that everybody should think in the same way or they're not "reasonable", so it's ok to accuse someone of something just because you thought about it because you think you're "reasonable" with made up reasons she might have to hide something of her life before.

>>102663294
Yeah you're a real social worker anon

I just want you all to be kept up at night, idly laying in bed wondering who of your other oshis absolutely have boyfriends if not outright husbands and just haven't told you. She's probably kissing them right now, laughing at all of the marked up cheap plastic crap you've bought with her character on it.

>>102653526 (OP)
Fauna's design is so hot... Why did she do it

>>102663415
You're the salt of the earth, mate. A good lad.

>>102653526 (OP)
Hah fucking incels man I swear

>>102663512
So are you for posting my oshi.

>>102663088
I guess at the end of the day people can't control their feelings
>>102663096
This answers some things but I still gotta ask... Why do that and go to such lengths?
>>102663191
I know that's the right move but I do feel bad for the peeps I know, feels like they are being slandered for no reason

>>102657335
You were jerking off while writing this.

>>102653526 (OP)
I only watched her planet zoo streams though

These are the "people" calling others parasocial.

>>102663294
People who know that they are getting deliberately misled and fleeced in advance, invent insane copes to justify it, invest obscene amounts of time into getting fooled, and then whine about it when things inevitably fall apart do deserve it. The more I think about it the more I'm convinced it's the dumbest shit I have ever seen.

>>102663643
grow up

>>102663269
Fucking this
It's such a simple straightforward thing but people can't help turning this into a tribalist quibble based on bad faith and nasty personal assumptions

>>102663701
Go back to the cuck chair, Roland.

>>102653526 (OP)
>Keep hearing about how supposedly great her ASMR is
>Check some of it out, not great but not terrible
>Hear she upgraded her ASMR setup so maybe the quality improves
>Completely stops making ASMR
>Still wins an award for it because ???
>Graduates due to "disagreements with management"
I imagine the managers didn't let her "loredrop" about getting married because announcing something like that out of nowhere is bad for business so she split

>>102663756
it's pretty safe to assume if you're upset enough about her announcement to write paragraphs about logical arguments and morality you are probably a giant fucking loser
granted once you start giving any vtuber money that averages more than like 100 viewers you've already become a giant fucking loser

>>102658524
Being a vtuber fan

>>102663896
Thanks for proving my point

>>102654259
Gauge out your eyeballs.

>>102663428
>that's not what I said
>doesn't explain what you said
Going around in circles doesn't clear up a supposed misunderstanding. You're doing this because you have no alternative. There was no misunderstanding, and you're not trying to be understood.
>Which is what i did.
Prompting me to provide an irrational level of proof does not refute rationale or logic. It avoids points. It insists that you don't need to think about anything I'm saying and therefore I must be wrong. You're ignoring the evidence I used to reach my conclusion and stating that nothing will ever be good enough to make you admit anything. This is running away from the argument.
>without any proof anything i say have the same weight as yours
The argument involves rationale and logic. You're not addressing any of it because you don't have a sufficient argument. You forfeit the right to call me wrong when you can't come up with more rational or logical conclusions.
>the context is different
Lying through omission is exactly what occurs when someone willfully neglects to divulge information they know is important to the person they're interacting with. She knows how important it is to the men in her audience. There is no possible way you could argue that she is ignorant of this. So, undeniably, she omitted the truth because she didn't like the consequences, and profited off of that omission. You can't refute this.
>Here you think that everybody should think in the same way or they're not "reasonable"
Brother, reasonable people can acknowledge when someone is being immoral. Nobody is perfectly moral. It's normal to be a little immoral. it's reasonable to respond with "yeah, but I don't really care" instead of contorting yourself into some sort of non-euclidian imaginary shape in an attempt to deny the fact that she took advantage of pathetic men on purpose. IT HAPPENS ALL OF THE TIME with female content creators, streamers, youtubers, and vtubers. It's not something that only she is guilty of.

All I fucking did was point out exactly why it was immoral for the people that were acting confused.

>>102663940
glad to see we agree that the personal attacks are warranted towards retards like you

>letting the company who has always been supportive of her and the other talents catch flak because of disagreement regatding her personal relationships
Imagine still defending this disgusting whore.

She should put a ring on her vtuber model

>>102663294
I agree on that I guess, no one likes or deserves being fleeced
>>102663415
I have a somewhat similar opinion but instead of disappointment it would be more like confusion, since my oshi doesn't share her private life and I also don't share mine it would be... Awkward? Too out of left field?

>>102663698
It's fine to not have sympathy for them. I don't empathize with their desires either. But that doesn't change the fact that people are needlessly suffering because of greed, and that greed is going unnoticed and unpunished. This encourages it to happen more. It could have been avoided easily simply by being truthful, but immoral people don't mind maliciously lying for profit. Nobody should idolize women who do this.

Cucklings coping.

>>102663021
I'm a unicorn myself, not for this girl though, and have been disappointed before. I don't see the point in making a fuss about it, I just disappeared without a trace, blocked the girl and avoided the threads that might mention her.

This is our revenge you American dogs

>>102654580
She knew that there were going to be people who wouldn't watch, support, and donate to her if they knew she had a boyfriend. She lied anon and there's nothing that would change that fact. You just don't care about being lied and you want other people not to care about being lied to.

>>102664742
>Revenge
>Japanese men most affected by it
Ogey

>>102664166
>Nobody should idolize women who do this.
Good thing I don't. Unicorns do though. Both sides are necessary for this phenomenon to exists. Both are usually lazy, whiny and entitled, but one of them is easier to hate on account of also being black gorilla tier retarded.

>>102653526 (OP)
she stopped being entertaining the day she stopped larping as a cute anime girl and decided to act like just another twitchwhore/flesh tuber/dramatuber

>>102664028
>Going around in circles doesn't clear up a supposed misunderstanding
What should i say if not reporting exatly what i said? If you got something else it's your problem, no reason to report it to me in that way if you get something that's not what i meant.

>Prompting me to provide an irrational level of proof does not refute rationale or logic
It's not irrational, just find when she said the lie. If you cannot find it, then you have no evidence. It's simple. You cannot made up thing and then try to use a logic which can be valid as you want.

>You're ignoring the evidence I used to reach my conclusion
I didn't see any evidence, just someone talking about how "lying through omission" is a thing here. And some boogie man bad person trying to make profit from weak people.

>You forfeit the right to call me wrong when you can't come up with more rational or logical conclusions.
So you really think "bad people make profit from weak people" is a rational and logical conclusion but "people have their business and doesn't want to share personal information" is not? All right then, as you wish.

>There is no possible way you could argue that she is ignorant of this
Never said she is "ignorant to this", she may even know about this, this doesn't mean she is taking advantage of this. It's not a truth, it's still, implications, speculation, you shouldn't use those to accuse someone.

>You can't refute this
Yes i can, because we're talking about "reasons", and there can be "many reasons" that you may not even think about right now.

>the fact that she took advantage of pathetic men on purpose
You keep saying this is a fact, but then you are not showing evidence about how her doing "this on purpose" is a fact. You're just pushing a narrative from my perspective.

> IT HAPPENS ALL OF THE TIME
Still you're talking about nothing here. How can you be so sure that EVERY female content creaor, streamers, youtubers, and vtuber do this thing? Have you watched every single one and see this? It's something actually impossible to prove, so why even pointing this out? It doens't matter how many people does it actually, what it matters is what "nimi" did.

>>102658398
She started a new one and then ruined it 6 months in

>>102665427
You're a lost cause. I've gone around in circles with you long enough. Over and over you refuse to engage with the points being made. You demand what is impossible and insist because the impossible is impossible that your mind cannot be changed. I gave you plenty of opportunities to bow out of this gracefully but you chose to dug your heels in to the bitter end.

Everything I said was true.

>>102662385
the truth
>>102663096
they are defo (You) baiting, so instead ill give mine to you <3
>>102663643
its crazy how people love self inserting themselves on to other peoples relationships. not even the whole cuck angle, litterally imagining that THEY are Nimi or Matpat or XQC, whoever.

>>102653526 (OP)
>watched hundreds or thousands of hours of her streams
heh

>>102653526 (OP)
I didn't know I was watching a whore, but now I do

>>102655074
So you must be a left wing twitter freak that because someone doesn't tell you something you will assume anything
She never told us her stance on Gaza, oh fuck she must support the jews, or maybe she she hates the jews you can pick any right now.
She never said I hate nazis oh fuck she is a nazi, how about this, she white but never supported black lives matter, well time to cancel the bitch she is racist!
What, lied by never telling you

>>102653526 (OP)
>woman
>entertaining
>>102653791
/thread

>>102666722
>hyperbole
Please notice I wasn't calling her an immoral person before her announcement. It was her announcement that broadcasted the truth of her actions. Pretending like lying through omission is impossible exposes you as a retarded cunt. Your excuses don't make her actions moral.

>>102665648
>Everything I said was true.
Lmao ok, i'm stupid to think that the "truth" is something with evidence and not implications, generalizations

>>102653821
Mori is

>>102667264
How much money do you suppose she received that she wouldn't have if she revealed that she had a boyfriend when she re-debuted? Do you think that amount of money is greater than $0, or because you can't see the receipts that you think it's more likely to be $0?

>>102667542
>How much money do you suppose she received that she wouldn't have if she revealed that she had a boyfriend when she re-debuted?

>what happened if

It doesn't matter, i would say she would get the same, but i cannot prove it, neither you can prove the same. So talking about "if" will bring to nothing. You don't really know how much something may or not impact, and this doesn't even mean that she were doing something (or not doing anything) on purpose before.

>>102667801
Pay attention. Focus. I'm asking for what you think. Not for what you can prove. You're running away again. Answer my question.

>>102653526 (OP)
I was really only ever a casual fan, but she deserves all of the success that she's had and I'm happy for her. I am also glad that she's spiking the blood pressure of the worst people in this fandom and hopefully driving them to an early grave.

>>102668107
>she deserves all of the success that she's had
Including the success she got by lying to her audience?
>I am also glad that she's spiking the blood pressure of the worst people in this fandom and hopefully driving them to an early grave.
So you're a petty, hateful woman. Was twitter not giving you enough engagement today?

>>102660896
So what exactly is a person like this getting out of watching VTubers to begin with?

>>102668284
aww yeah, green text unicorn seethe reply. right into my veins, baby

>>102668728
Dopamine is released when your brain predicts that you will get a reward, not when you actually get it. Anime girl on the screen talking about her dumb personal shit is enough to trick it into believing that you did the job of going to the proverbial party and maybe about to get pussy.

>>102669813
As shameless as expected.

>>102653526 (OP)
correct

>>102669900
And that's exactly what going to a party is, a fucking job that you don't get paid to attend. Parties suck. Any dopamine release that you get from them is quickly outdone by the cortisol released by having to play a heavily edited version of yourself.

>>102653526 (OP)
grd?

>>102666722
The ones sucking up to her and letting themselves be cucks are the leftoids retard

>>102656456
idol haters need to get bent

>>102653856
Yes, because unlike you unicorn cucks I went into those streams with full knowledge I was never hooking up with her

>>102653526 (OP)
I have seen more threads of people pissing themselves In anger over other anons saying they aren’t going to watch nimi anymore than I have actual anger over her announcement. Kinda embarrassing.

>>102653526 (OP)
Yep. Glad you get it.

>>102673197
So lying is cool as long as you're not affected. Nice world view, retard. I hope that one day you get to live in the society made up of only people that agree with you.

>>102656456
just GFE without sufficient boundaries really

>>102653526 (OP)
I don't care about her relationship. She can date, married or have several kids but this>>102653901
just for the sake of making a scene to attract dramatourist and indiefag to increase her follower and make sure sapling all left the walled garden to follow her.

>>102656456
vtuber/idol culture is based on lies and charade. nothing is wrong with that. we can enjoy the illusiona as long as the lies remained concealed. they should be put on pedestal to be worshipped with such image built to be perfect upon countless lies. In return, they shall enjoy the fame and glory from crowning as ones. these harlots just don't fucking get it. corrupted by greed, they want everything for themselves. we must purge these false idols and burn this ruined utopia to the ground then the glorious shall return, spourting anew upon the ashes of the non-believers.

All the retards in this thread defending her like she didn't conveniently wait to break kayfabe until after she's made a fat stack of money off merch. Cuck cope if i've ever seen it. Just admit the whore ripped off a bunch of sad dudes and stop defending what is clearly intentional evil. Fucking faggots.

>>102670709
Anon you just have autism. Which is fine, and I hope you don't force yourself to go to any parties if you don't really derive any joy from it.

>>102653526 (OP)
She wasn't entertaining, but she was my wife. MY WIFE. Not that guy's whoever his fucking name is. I even had photoshopped images of me and Fauna at the Eiffel Tower, at Stonehenge, I made a fucking birthday cake for her, we did everything together. Only for her to scamper off with some loser whose dick is like 5 inches shorter than mine. Where does that leave me? Where does that leave our dog? Our memories together? God damn it Fauna how am I gonna replace you? You broke me in half.

>>102653526 (OP)
Now that I know that she is an extremely ruthless, calculative, manipulative and selfish bitch who falsely threw all of Hololive under the bus by blaming management and make her genmates's life miserable for a few months and transform saplings into Holo-antis.
Yes, watching her is not entertaining anymore.

>>102660896
we are monkey brained, people throw around the term parasocial anywhere these days, but its an actual core human phenomenon because we have the ability to sympathize from what we see. the brain doesnt give two shits if the woman on the screen isnt real or someone you will never meet irl. just watching them talk, react, and have expressions is enough to develop feelings for.

>>102653526 (OP)
watching her now just makes you a simp and not in an ironic haha funny because shes an anime girl way but just straight up what you are. its uncomfortable now

>>102667801
This is possibly the greatest troll I have ever seen. No one with the required IQ to type a full sentence is also this retarded.
Gj anon 10/10 bait

>>102653526 (OP)
Men just see women differently if they know she's taken.

>>102675628
don't let them gaslight you, it's only like 30% about any of that. entertainment is just the sort of job where people become less driven and less prolific over time. the reason this isn't a bigger scandal is because most of us can recognize when someone is coasting. numbers will do what they do if she keeps putting in the hours. but those viewers would never have watched her if she debuted with a schedule this barren, nor if she was a 3view. the problem with dadcore content isn't that it's something different, or that you get less of it. it's that it never goes anywhere else. it tapirs off and ends. people want to get invested in something that has room to grow