Thread 102655581

lol Edition

Welcome to /xvsj+/! A thread to discuss vtubers who were once associated with a hot pink company.

Keep things comfy, etc.

Image source: https://www.twitch.tv/geega

/xvsj+/ includes:
Amalee - https://www.twitch.tv/leeandlie
Froot - https://www.twitch.tv/apricot
Geega - https://www.twitch.tv/geega
Haruka - https://www.twitch.tv/harukakaribu
Henya - https://www.twitch.tv/henyathegenius
Hestia - https://www.twitch.tv/hestiahappiness
Hime - https://www.twitch.tv/hajime
Hotaru - https://www.twitch.tv/akatsukidhotaru
Kson - https://www.twitch.tv/ksonsouchou
Kuro - https://www.twitch.tv/k9kuro
Mata - https://www.twitch.tv/matarakan
Mel - https://www.twitch.tv/projektmelody
Michi - https://www.twitch.tv/michimochievee
Mouse - https://www.twitch.tv/ironmouse
Nagi - https://www.twitch.tv/NagIsekaied
Nazuna - https://www.twitch.tv/amemiyanazuna
Nyan - https://www.twitch.tv/nyanners
Peke - https://www.twitch.tv/pekeispeak
Silver - https://www.twitch.tv/silvervale
Vei - https://www.twitch.tv/vei
Zen - https://www.twitch.tv/zentreya

Related /in/dies:
Beri - https://www.twitch.tv/beribug
Tori - https://www.youtube.com/@torioriane
Mint - https://www.youtube.com/@mintfantome
Feebee - https://www.twitch.tv/feebee
Pia - https://www.twitch.tv/piapiufo

Related:
/999/ + /総長/ + /nova/ + /voms/ for Japanese talents once associated with a hot pink company
/lig/ and /big/ for more generalized + and friends discussion

Previous thread: >>102651533

First for Gunrun did nothing wrong

>>102655639
Second - yes

JP corpos won, phasefags won, silverfags won, veifags won
ggs no re

Live Zen reaction

I'm kinda worried about Zen. She's just sitting there, silent.

REMEMBER WHEN OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM WAS ZEN AND MOUSE? YEAH RIGHT

Could've gone better

I support Gunrun and all his future endeavors

Zen...

If I had access to Pia she'd be a white slime girl, if you know what I mean.

I'm unironically waiting for Asmongold's take on this. He went to college for this shit.

Oh fuck off, guys. Like you never stole money from a sick woman not knowing it was for charity. It's a pretty common mistake.

>>102655741
Yeah but that was only like $500. I'd never imagine doing it over 1,000x that amount

I find it a bit funny that Gunrun frantically paying off his minimum wage interns so they don't go homeless is seen as an unforgivable crime as the multimillionaire creators whine about how they're owed money that's like 5% of their total income. Maybe if the cuts were more fair to the management it wouldn't have gone down like this.

did they release a jp version of this statement too for the jp girls?

>biggest name on twitch, the number 1 streamer, does a charity, tweets about charity, promotes the charity, has countless people stop by for said charity, tweets about when charity is over
>Gunrun: OH THAT 500K WAS FOR CHARITY?

To my former Vsj+, and current xvsj
May the love for our retarded talents gets us through these trying times. We shall make fun of the dumb nigga who might as well be changing his name to ScamRun. Love you all pussies, amen.

>>102655741
Yeah, but when I do it it's funny

>>102655793
Where's the money Justin?

Man, I wish GunRun got into wrestling, he would've been an amazing money mark.

>>102655793
We'll find out where you're hiding Ignacio

>>102655797
Loutlot will probably have to write something now.

>>102655793
Rope yourself, commie.

>>102655812
If you don't have reasonable process for tracking money, how do you know what money it is? It's all just money. It's incompetent, but considering the sheer level of incompetence, it's reasonable.

>>102655677
>we gave creaters generous split
you mean the same creators that you didn't pay for months at the time

>>102655865
THE PROLETARIAT MUST RISE UP

Zen says DON'T be funny on twitter about it

Look, if you cover like half the statement, it doesn't sound so bad

>>102653640
>>102653949
>You now remember that Henya was supposed to collab with Camila before she had to take a bereavement break.
yeah, she was /in/ too

>>102655741
the only charity I donate is to my crippling addiction to sluts

>>102655908
to be fair, the split WAS good- they never said the split would be paid

>>102655793
What a great guy. Basically a modern day Robbin Hood!

>>102655914
The proles are proles for a reason.

>>102655880
>Gunrun: Yo, 500k just dropped into our laps. Wonder where it came from?

>massive fucking wall of text
>they don't mention paying their talents even once

>>102655856
>having to translate this shit
kinda feel sorry for him

Listen to Zen, don't do anything crazy. Take it easy

>>102655755
>gunrun said
that bitch might be lying to make people start breaking NDA before company went bankrupt

Reminder its 11 million plus the charity money PLUS all the money they didn't pay the talents from merch and sponsors pissed away in 5 years.

>>102655926
holy shit...and that was why zen got real mad... it all starting to make sense now

HAG LOVE IN A FEW HOURS

Any blobs?

>>102655914
the ai and automation revolution will give the working class the tools to build their own army, inshallah

>>102655976
Exactly. Jesus fucking Christ, this company.

>>102655980
They're obviously declaring bankruptcy. Nobody's getting paid. When there's zero money there's zero money.

>>102655990
every usless """manager""" they found on twitter needed their 6 figs salary and lambo please understand

He said sorry, I forgive him.

>>102655856
>Hai, I don’t know how my friend roped me into this retarded idea. I shall also say “Oops” - with love Loutlot xoxo (in Japanese)

>>102655984
He's fishing for lawsuits he can use to pay off the other lawsuits

Now that the dust has settled, was Enron really that bad? I don't think the comparisons you made were fair.

I would hire Gunrun in my Vtuber company.
He knows how not to do things, and that's valuable.

>>102655677
>Our funding went directly to our creators through generous splits
And the talent says that these generous splits often DIDN'T GET PAID OUT.
A good split on paper means nothing if it doesn't happen in practice.

They were not evil, just really fucking stupid huh

Looks like the "talent first" model is dead and buried, then. It's been tried twice now, first with Upd8 in Japan and with VShojo in the US, and both times it came crashing down like a house of cards. It's doomed.

>>102655976
I mean it's probably more like
>Yo, 800k just dropped into our laps. Good thing too because we owe 600k in bills
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN 500K OF THAT WAS FOR CHARITY
Incompetence lol

If I were Gunrun I would just blame it on Vei

>>102655793
you do realize your doing this for free now. you wont get paid for this shit

>hotaru raided zen
lmao

>>102656115
It’s almost like corpo vtubbing isn’t profitable and everyone has been saying that for the last two years

Vshojo wasn't bought out by Brave, that one doxxnigger forum admin got btfo.

i do not like ironmouse

>>102656129
Shylily's comments about the sus payment structure are extremely vindicated.

Even if you don't count their cut in merch they had at least $11M, how can a company this size burn so much money so quickly? Someone was pocketing money and judging from this vague as shit statement Gunrun was part of it

>>102656186
KILL yourself

>>102655990
>5 years
3 years apparently. They entered 2024 broke allegedly.

okay chudbros we need to get to the bottom of this. How is this all somehow Froot's fault

>>102656115
Mythic and that other one in the same vein seem to be working perfectly fine

>>102656186
defenestrate yourself

>>102656166
>phase is fine
>hololive is fine
>nijiJP is fine

>>102654735
Did Gunrun personally write the apology, or was it generated by AI?

Damn the thread is funny again, did the schizos really went into the log lol

>>102656110
insanely incompetent and cowardly, they should have been downsizing a year ago but they just pretended everything was fine and lead people on until it blew up

he cleaned his twitter profile

nuh uh, audit this shitshow with lawyers, find every dollar and where they've moved. that faggot mtd knew this was coming and saw writing, he probably isn't blameless

>>102656129
its actually closer to
>Yo, 800k just dropped into our laps. Good thing too because we owe 2,600k in bills

Now that the dust has settled, I want to plap Amalee's fat white woman ass that she can't fit into a pair of jorts.

>>102656205
kek

Hehe oopsie!

>>102656241
she cheated with gunrun

Gunrun should have been selling coffee.

guh

For the future remember. Anytime a streamer says their group is sooo good, don't trust them. It means nothing.

i still have not seen any apology forms going out to nyanners, silver and vei.

>Admitting to misappropriation of charity funds
HE IS GOING -STRAIGHT- TO PRISON

>>102656247
Two needed to go public to survive. Phase is still small, and has founding only by the founders.

>>102656115
Silver talked how Mythic is perfect and working with them is great
It's time to admit Vshojo was just a ponzi scheme ran by fat manlet
Silver and Nyan both said they made MORE money in few months of being in Mythic than in 2.5 years in Vshojo

>>102656336
Then you haven't been here for the past 3 days

>>102656165
>hotaru raided zen
at least it brought a bright spot in the stream

>>102656267
>they should have been downsizing a year ago
This.
I can't believe they let Ama, Mint, Feebee, Beri, Pia and Tori enter a burning house.
I like all of them and they all deserve success and recognition, but don't hire lots of new talent if you have massive problems to fix first.

>>102656336
no one cares about those alt right grifters

What do you think Zentreya's lawyer thinks or says or feels when he has to defend a male irl masquerading as a girl online with a fake windows tts voice from 2012?

>>102656289
wise words

I asked chatGPT to rewrite it. Thoughts?
>To our community, our talents, our collaborators, and everyone who believed in VShojo—
>With a heavy heart, I must share that VShojo is shutting down. This is the most difficult message I’ve ever had to write, and I take full and personal responsibility for the decisions and failures that have brought us to this moment.
>We set out with a bold, creator-first vision—to build something different in the VTuber space. We raised over $11 million and promised a future where talents could retain their IP, have creative freedom, and be genuinely supported. We wanted to show that there was a better way.
>But I failed in leading this company. I mismanaged our finances, made unsustainable business decisions, and let our mission outpace our means. We did not generate the revenue we needed, and in time, the funding dried up. The model we championed ultimately could not sustain itself, and I could not secure the investments needed to keep us afloat.
>As a result, talents, staff, and contractors are still owed payments. That is unacceptable. These are people who trusted us with their time, their art, their work, and their futures—and we let them down. I know that behind every missed payment is a person who is hurting, and I am deeply sorry.
>I also want to speak plainly about something else: promises were made to potential new talents that we were not in a position to keep. Offers were extended, expectations were set, and some uprooted parts of their lives based on those conversations. They deserved honesty—and I failed them by not being transparent about our internal challenges.
>Furthermore, former talents were not always treated with the respect and care they deserved. Some left feeling unsupported, unheard, or even harmed by their time with us. I cannot undo what happened, but I want to acknowledge it clearly. You should have been treated better.
>Lastly, there were funds raised in connection to a charitable initiative that were used to cover operating expenses during our most desperate attempts to fundraise. At the time, I believed we could recover and make it right. That belief was misplaced, and using that money—even unintentionally—was wrong. I take full accountability.
>To the community, I know many of you feel betrayed. You rallied around our talents, cheered us on, and believed in the vision. You did not deserve to see it fall apart like this.
>To the talents, staff, collaborators, and fans—you built this. You were the heart of VShojo, and I am sorry that my leadership failed you.
>I will spend the coming days doing everything I can to assist those still owed what they’re due. This won’t undo the harm, but it is the least I can do.
>Thank you for believing in what VShojo tried to be, even when I fell short of making it real.
>Justin (Gunrun)

>>102656373
>>102656329
kek

>steal 500k
>the fallout causes over a million to be raised in its stead

Was he a genius and a hero in the end?

>>102656373
Mythic isn’t a Vtuber agency, is a streamer agency, different things

>>102656248
>Yo Gun let me handle this
>I know a thing or two on how to write an Apology

>>102656373
Geez, it's almost like Mythic has the bare minimum when it comes to accounting

>>102656406
>mucho texto
kys

>>102656400
AmaLee more like Sex With Me

Cotton's still trying to process it

>>102656424
I trust Silver after her experience with Vshojo she would quit Mythic too if they were just Vshojo 2.0

>>102656337
if it never gets to a charity how is it chairy funds?

>>102656498
trust who?

If im up to date on the latest shitflining. Ironmouse was also backstabbing silvervale during the troon wars? Or is that an overstatement?

In other news Ama's being a freak on Twitter

>>102656434
they just want their share from sponsors, that's all they do, everything is apparently done the right way.

>>102656498
Mythic is literally just a sponsor broker. It's barely a "group" to begin with

>>102656393
That you should invest in rope.

Anyone else starting to get drama fatigue? It's all getting to be too much.

>>102656337
please learn how the law works

>>102656503
If it was raised FOR charity and you spend it on something else, that is charity fraud anon. It doesn't matter if the charity itself touched it or not. This is illegal as fuck.

>>102656503
-VShojo CFO

>>102655812
If I had a nickel for each time when Mouse mentions charity, I'd bought out VShojo back in 2022.

>>102656503
>steal charity money
>launder it through vshojo
>by accident
sasuga, Gunrun-san

>>102656406
>I asked chatGPT to

I can do that by myself, thank you for nothing

>>102656529
And that is, unironically, why it works. Their initial bullshit aside.

>>102656197
40+ staff members


The total cost to pay a talent company of 40 employees in California depends heavily on:

The industry (e.g., tech, entertainment, staffing)

The roles (executive vs. administrative vs. creative)

The experience levels

Benefits and overhead (healthcare, taxes, insurance, etc.)

But here's a reasonable ballpark estimate for a professional talent company (e.g., agency, creative firm, staffing firm) in California:
Role Headcount Est. Salary (avg) Total
CEO 1 $250,000 $250,000
Executives/VPs 3 $180,000 $540,000
Senior Managers 6 $130,000 $780,000
Account/Project Managers 10 $90,000 $900,000
Creative / Talent Agents 10 $85,000 $850,000
Admin / Support Staff 10 $60,000 $600,000
Base Salary Subtotal 40 $3.92M

Add 25–35% for overhead and benefits (standard for CA):
Payroll taxes (~10%)

Health insurance, PTO, retirement plans (~15–25%)

Estimated Total Annual Cost:

Low end: $3.92M × 1.25 = $4.9 million

High end: $3.92M × 1.35 = $5.3 million

>>102655581 (OP)
shes reading this

>>102656558
Fuck off Gunrun. That is how the law works. You can't tell people you are raising money for charity and then keep it for yourself.

>>102656575
>If it was raised FOR charity and you spend it on something else, that is charity fraud anon
not how that works, that's only if the org itself is a charity

>>102656542
I was getting that last night why does Camila have to tease a fucking drama drop tomorrow why can't she do it today

Anyway Mouse's reaction

>>102656337
AND HE WILL LEAVE IT -GAY-

>>102655816
Bless.

>>102656542
I was getting tired of it but the Gunrun tweet was so stupid and tone deaf I'm right back on board

bit of an oof statement from gunrun

Does anyone have the vod or timestamp for when Gun appeared on the Mouseathon? I want to clip that shit and spread it.

>>102656503
CFO logic right here

>>102656542
i dont engage with drama.
I dont look for it.
I laugh at niji when they do stupid shit and i laugh at vshitshow when they do stupid shit
and I laugh at cover when they do stupid shit.
I do not look for details on how shit went down. I do not look for opinions of talents or literally random retards on the internet to form my opinion.

>>102655908
The generous splits were poaching money for kson and co

>>102656522
Must be a day that ends in Y
https://x.com/MonarchVerse/status/1754958140259660086

Rose update

Holy shit Zentreya is actually gonna rope himself before 2026.

So... what now?

>>102656517
Silver, I trust Silver
>>102656529
>they have payment charts so creators know how much and when they're getting paid
>pay on time
>get streamers sponsors unlike Vshojo that got Silver her first sponsor a year after she joined
seems like Vshojo should've been nothing more but a sponsor broker then but knowing what we know now they would fucked that up too

>>102656186
we know you don't, gun. otherwise you wouldn't steal the money from her and other girls

>>102656697
I think Rose is in denial over how incompetent Vshojo was

>>102656627
I just don't want people to get their hopes up, there will be no legal repercussions for him

so all the ndas out the window?

Holotourist here
will Vei/Silver/Nyannersfags and IMfags stop fighting after this?
Perfect opportunity to bury the hatchet

>>102656636
>why does Camila have to tease a fucking drama drop tomorrow why can't she do it today
she's coordinating with gunrun

>>102656713
We join the jokes
Better laugh at the stupid retarded man than be laughed at

>>102656604
>posting old picture
you might wanna check their website now

>>102656763
no

>>102656697
who?

>>102655919
give a rise to this guy

>>102656428
it's a talent agency like UTA and such (basically, glorified email list), Roachmongold himself said that (yesterday, when he was watching Henya's video), but yeah

>>102655816
I love these retarded(affectionate) women and will continue posting memes and nice things about them here.

>>102656713
It's officially VShojover. Stay here, go to an indie thread, do whatever you want.

>>102656770
That was mostly schizos, people either moved on or didn't really talk about it. There were supposedly paid antis too, so it's all complicated.

>>102656763
Announcing the company is dead on Twitter =/= Filing the legal documents for bankruptcy. The latter is when NDA's are officially dead.

>>102656336
they're still whores no need to apologise

>>102656789
>partners
that word doesn't mean jack shit,

>>102656770
there is at least one mentally ill individual posting here that has obsession with Silver and still hates her
unfortunately his mental illness is incurable so we can only hope he hangs himself soon

>>102656854
see?? I know this guy was employed, was kaho talking about this guy???

>>102656517
keep crying, it makes me hard

>>102656326
maybe he wants to raise half a million

>>102656529
Welcome to actual normal talent agencies, not this Jpop idol "agency" bullshit or the weird hybrid thing Vshojo tried. You have an agent that finds you sponsors, jobs, merchandising deals, and general business opportunities. They get a commission fee/cut based on what they find you, and that's it. If you require additional assistance for some project, you ask them if they can get you funding through sponsor deals and connect you to any additional resources. This is literally how the entire rest of the entertainment industry functions with the exception being if you sign an exclusive deal with a single studio/record label.

>>102656713
we rape

>>102656636
>why does Camila have to tease a fucking drama drop tomorrow why can't she do it today
Presumably she is typing a Google doc up and wants to make sure it's not going to fuck her over.

>>102656867
Cope

>>102656770
Bury the hatchet in Thilver, maybe.

>>102656886
No, HighGai has never worked for a Vtuber company before. Learn to read nigga

>>102656867
>n-no t-this doesn't count
bro Vshojo is dead, you can stop pretending you hate Mythic

The worst thing gun and the girls did was actually kill a dream. Now thirdies are laughing at the idea of vtubers owning their IP in a company.

>>102656770
I had nothing against any *fag to begin with.

>>102656854
Love my nigga Highgai
>>102656886
Zero chance she was talking about Highgai

so i guess agencies owning the talent's IP is the only way to go...

Which larger talents was zen talking about?

>>102656770
Anyone who actually watches the girls moved on ages ago, that "fight" is kept alive by baiters and a bunch of mentally ill autists who apparently enjoy going "no u" for 20 hours straight every single day for the past 2 years

redclaw just brought up something. they also got investments from business men in japan. possible "legitimate business men" from japan. kson might have been in the yakuza games, but gunrun might have pissed off the actual yakuza.

>>102656887
like I said, not much there

>>102656713
We post Mint butt

>>102656777
what if camila announcement is such a huge bomb that it forced gunrun to tweet

>>102656953
Mythic/Gamersupps don't own IPs of people they're working with

>>102656961
Mintgen

>>102656770
Paid propaganda. Though this still makes me chuckle

>>102656789
shhh, don't ruin his illusion that he's right

>>102656909
>>102656923
this isn't about vshojo. Partner is just a mumbo jumbo term. you need sponsors

>>102656977
lmao

>>102656982
She’s having her anniversary later, so that’s nice

>>102656924
>>102656953
Talent's owning IPs is the only reason the girls were able to exit as cleanly as they did. VShojo holding the IPs wouldn't make them any less broke, it would just make the talent's exit a thousand times worse.

>>102656713
i'm just waiting for Peke 's return

>>102656977
I'd be more scared of whatever burger investors they pissed off than of a bunch of washed off boomers larping as the samurai mafia

>>102657005
>partner with a company
>when they have sponsor opportunity they call you
that's how it works nigga
jesus stop with the stupid hateboner you have for them

>>102656770
we will do it when Sakuna and Rushia stop fighting

>>102656916
I'll bury the hatchet in your skull if you don't shut up

turn on TV doesn't matter what channel

>>102657064
B R A T

>>102656924
As long as the corpo is light on staff, smaller ones like 3AM and Vchiban seem sustainable.

>>102656846
even after bankruptcy nda's can be enforced depending on things like state laws, if there is a third party included (like the angel investors) in the nda, if it's chapter 11 instead of chapter 7 bankruptcy (unlikely)

>>102657071
partners are not on paper, sponsors are.

Numi and Bao reactions. I completely forgot about Studio Cell that was so long ago holy shit lmao

The fact that his legal defense is going to be:
>"I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS CHARITY MONEY UNTIL I HAD ALREADY SPENT IT!"
Is absolutely fucking hilarious. The prosecution is going to tear him a new asshole if this is all he has to defend himself.

release the GOOGLE DOCKEY

>>102657087
Baby gonna cry?

>>102657138
I literally told you how things work and you STILL are clinging to this because the idea that Mythic actually works and gets their talents sponsorships is making you seethe even though Vshojo is dead
I'm guessing 2 and a half years of being Org tribalfag fried your braincells

>Rain schedules a tweet for a Gamersupps ad
>it went up the exact same time as VShojo's tweet
lmao

>>102657125
To me you're not a real copro if your ceo doesn't have a face and your company doesn't have an address.

Atrioc was defending gunrun and didn't believe he did anything bad intentionally

REMINDER THAT SHITRUN MADE HENYA CRY

>>102657207
I mean it doesn't seem like it was intentional. Just really, really stupid lmao

You can never have a bunch of women in one place.. they'll always create drama and play victim with zero accountability.

>>102657213
Among other things, last samurai

>>102657213
so did my BWC

>>102657249
>t doesn't seem like it was intentional.

>>102656886
No Highgai never worked at a big VTuber company and he is part of VShojo qutie some time, not just one year.

Alright everybody now that Guns official statement is out. Rate it on a scale from f 1-10.

Will Henya continue to call Gunrun "Gunrun-san"?

>>102657198
Weird criteria, is eating literal shit not enough for you?

>>102657213
He made Pia cry too, unacceptable

>>102657287
Literally 1. "I didn't know it was charity money" is the worst defense imaginable.

I still can't believe someone with IQ and EQ above 10 can watch silvervale's fake stream earlier and be like "oooh, poor girl"..man, what a snake.

>>102657287
4. Shit statement but at least he didn't doxx anyone or guilt-trip too hard, I guess.

>>102657281
ogey, but people told me he didnt work at vshojo either and now he says he's out of a job

>>102657287
Sinder/10

Official statement should have been in pink for one last goof

okay but what's asmongold's reaction to the tweet

>>102657287
5, at least he didn't throw the girls under the bus

>>102657213
>>102657329
He also made Mint cry. Castrate this fucker.

>>102657207
Atrioc the man who had deepfakes of his coworkers?

I don't know what to think until Saba gives her opinion

>>102657387
mint cries every 5 minutes

>>102657287
"This guy's going to fucking jail"/10. Absolute cinema.

>>102657360
busy reacting to his dad's death

>>102657360
yeah... wow... based... or not based... chat? *rots*

>>102657348
Sinder's apology was more believable than Gunrun's

>>102657375
>he didn't throw the girls under the bus
he did thought
him saying they gave them """"generous splits"""" implies the reason why they have no money is becasue of the girls when in reality they weren't paying them for months

>>102657287
4

Good:
Takes responsibility

Bad:
- Doesn't acknowledge the real mistakes with the business, like bad merch fulfillment, etc.
- Charity thing just shows how horrible they managed their finances.

>>102657412
To be fair I think it's a fair guess that a lot of her breakdowns in the last year are related to this

>>102657154
A lot are getting them in now. In a few discords and the standard "no talking about drama" rule has frozen some almost entirely

>>102657287
6/10 Let's face it. We all knew it was literally impossible to defend in the first place so the least he could do is take full responsibility for this fuckup.

>>102657441
>ESL
read it again

>>102657342
Anon, there are people who watch silvervale every stream. Mull that over in your head for a bit.

>>102657446
our resident terroristpiker is going to fume at this one

>>102657429
F
his dad was actually a good guy, unlike his son

Absolutely batshit crazy to think it's now 100% in a span of only 3 days.

>Silver ending early becasue "it was a day for her"
SILVER DON'T CHECK TWITTER

How do you not know which of the funds you are for charity and which are not? I think he’s lying about not being aware of that.

>>102657501
I thought that one was all for wealth redistribution and shit?

>>102656103
I dont get how money goes towards a generous split either. You dont put money into a split, unless they're also paying the girls for each unit of merch sold or each sponsor done on top of merch and sponsor deals. That would be retarded if they did. You already should be making money on ads and on merch by default - how are you INVESTING in that?

>>102657501
why? Hasan would have the same stance on this

>>102657501
CHADsan will team up with CHADmongold to give all the vshojo talents all the money they're owed however

>>102657534
what if all the money is in one big account with no clear labeling?

>>102657287
honestly. terrible.
JP CEO Loutlot did it better

>>102657342
>>102657498
You need to write better bait Gun
Your apology was bad enough

I give him props for going with the bold strategy of "I knew I was stealing money but I only thought I was fucking over Mouse so whatever"

>>102657501
you are fighting shadows

>>102657213
he also made my oshi cry and it was a really ugly cry and it also resulted in me crying i will never forgive this faggot

>>102657582
Then it's an excuse that will be tested in court, and he might end up doing a bit of time.

>>102657534
becaus it depends on how their accounting works, especially if its coming from mouses earned money, which vshojo was managing (because she wanted to remain anon)

truly... The Vshojo Situation Is Crazy

It is eerily silent in here. Is it hell out in the catalog?

>>102657342
>>102657498
She's just gaming right now. What brought this on?

>>102657582
Then they’re retarded as shit

Anyway Mata's here to support Zen :)

>>102657614
how are you holding up bugbro

>>102657431
No it fucking wasn't? She made it so fast and it was the most corpa speak I've seen. It's kinda notable how a person could write it this way.

>>102657207
>anything bad intentionally
poor wording I'd say. I also believe this didn't start off maliciously but considering how long this has been going on, he was at the very least conniving. there is no excuse for the majority of what happened

>>102657615
>he might end up doing a bit of time
delusional, this is America, he won't even get a slap on the wrist

Gunrun deserves compassion and support

>"vshojo only takes merch money
lol so that was a lie

>>102657629
Silver is living rent free in his head and the fact she's ontopic broke him even further

>It's not mouseshojo
- Justin "the gunrun" Ignacio, circa 2023
>oopsie we used mouse's subathon money to keep vshojo afloat a few months more
- 2025

>>102657626
Yeah

Gunrun has removed Vshojo (and the backpack company) from his bio

>>102657287
10/10 pure kino

>>102657699
Gunrun deserves a whipping and a noose.

>>102657665
alright, still sad over what could have been and her talking about her dad is still being replayed in my head 24/7 but she seemed to be feeling much better in yesterday's stream and today she's also streaming with her would-be genmates which will also probably cheer all of them up

>>102657742
Someone edit this with a black image and put the gone </3

>>102657687
it's likelier he'll be promoted to some high government position

>>102657742
he's in the right city now that he's a bum

>>102657760
be strong, brother

>>102657154
Bao response here is kind of confusing, considering she starts off comparing it to two instances of her being actually intentionally and actively scammed and then ending by implying he had good intentions

>>102657719
If you weren't a retard you'd understand it was never about her being on topic, but rather perpetuating the meme that broke (You).

gunrun is unironically criminal liable for fraud lol

>>102657185
>says the baby who is crying for the past couple of days

>>102657719
must feel weird that your oshi was last on the leaderboard all the time

>>102657846
mtd must be shitting his pants

>>102657828
I'm not the Anon that gets angry each time somebody calls Silver Who
and the fact you've been doing this for so long only shows she's living rent free in your head

Would the Vshojo have survived if they didn't spend so much money in ads, had a more competent staff and only did a concert per year?

>>102657846
>unironically criminal liable for fraud
sadly no

>>102657287
Honestly, it's about as much as I would've expected. Could've been better, of course, but it was something.

Gunrun was a pos, but man every snake now using this opportunity to appear smart is fucking disgusting

Man i feel bad for everyone but especially for mouse they were actually close and she trusted him 100% how many times she talked about how lucky she was to have such a cool boss, her mom was also so proud she even wanted to meet him... what a shit show.

>>102657919
Yep.

>>102657884
happily yes

>>102657918
nah the snake is now being attacked by ants as it should

Are ndas void now?

>>102657719
She's had a link to Mouse's charity stickied the entire stream too. I wonder how he can try to maintain the idea that they're enemies at all now?

So with the company gone does that mean mean mouse is free till spill the tea?

>>102657867
Do you think that with each new iteration of the leaderboard as new people joined, they still kept silver around so that she could always be last?

>>102657828
>moving the goalposts

>>102657919
He was going to VISIT HER bro
That's like the highest form of trust Mouse can give someone

>>102657964
Not yet, but I'm sure some of the girls will vent when they are. Loudly.

>>102657964
see
>>102657136

>>102657919
Yeah, this absolteuly sucks ass for everyone involved, I hate it.

>>102657964
no

>>102657919
She was going to meet in him person. Maybe even as the very first person she brought to her house.

>>102657919
if the leaderboard thing silver mentioned was real then that's exactly why

.

>>102657964
Should be

>>102657883
No, this seems to be from not bringing in enough money and staffing costs. A few car wraps and ads wouldn't destroy it like this. This was built up over repeating costs.

Bet he was guilt tripped by the lawyers to "take full responsibility"
I want the legal team's heads on a spike, and that won't change.

>>102657977
She won't becasue she still wants that 500k back and if she spills the tea she might not
>inb4 Vshojo has no money
Court will seize Gunrun's personal assets to pay off Mouse

Apologize.

isn't ironmouse bigger than saba? i saw her with like 35k ccv, saba can barely break 20k

guys he didn't knooooow. he missed the whole subathon. he didn't see the huge event in tokyo with hundreds of people you guys. he missed all the buzz about it on the internet u gaiz

>>102658044
he's still worse

>>102657990
>coping as usual
kek

>>102658018
same, but next month because I'm on a dry month currently

If I were Gunrun I would have just posted this

>>102657867
keep crying, I'm almost there

I wish Mata didn't go to the US so much. I hate America.

Just out of curiosity
https://poal.me/uz9urt
https://poal.me/uz9urt
https://poal.me/uz9urt

>>102658053
He's just a poor boy, from a poor family

So what happens if a company shuts down? Do they not have to pay anyone? Is gunrun allowed to roam free if we ignore charity embezzlement.

>>102657819
I mean for all saying he did help the talents a couple of times, at the same time he was rude to a lot of people from what it seems, and was awful at his job.

>Mata joins stream
>Casually doxxes herself

fuck

>>102658099
So many western vtuber things are there, vtubers like being close to their friends.

>>102658064
we know you are

>>102658044
>any color
>no colors
what did he mean by this

>>102658044
lol no

What if the purpose of this statement was to allow him to claim he is mentally retarded and thus can't be persecuted?

>>102658150
lol she joined something called copium

>>102658159
>we know you are
classic.gif

>>102657345
he seemed to be a temp contract worker who became an actual employee after a bit. /vt/ tends to get confused when things change over time.

>>102658134
He has to declare bankruptcy

>>102658150
lol

>>102657342
>>102657498
>>102658064
>he still seething
KEK

>>102658174
*prosecuted
but that works too

>>102658187
and later a group called virgins

>>102657501
Some things are not about politics anon. I'm sure even Asmon and Hasan would agree that stealing from charity is bad.

>>102658044
Release the Aster files

>>102658209
can he be sued or just the company itself?

>my whole timeline is people quote retweeting the statement
Bro poked the hornets nest

Never change Michi

>>102658174
All he did was admit stupidity.

>>102657883
ChatGPT estimates 5 million dollar per year just to pay the 40+ NA staff members.
Probably 6-7 millions if we add all the other shit they spent money on. Good luck paying that on a less than 50% cut on merch and sponsors. Literally the only thing that could have saved Vshojo is the Nikke concert blowing up and being a massive success.

>>102658174
If he wanted to do that, all he had to do was admit to posting here.

>>102657614
Yeah that was straight up awful.
Hope the ladybug will bounce back from it and be happy.

>>102657345
He was contracted by Vshojo a couple of times and ended up getting hired after Henya joined

>>102658174
It's plain he doesn't think he's going to be around for any kind of trial that admiting things this openly will make open and shut. This is a public suicide note.

wake me up when the NDAs are officially and fully null and void

>>102657742
I can't believe Gunrun is graduating

>>102658150
Just let her have peace...

>>102658134
limited liability, company is gutted to repay debts and then disolved. however, there is a question whenever charity embezzlement took place or not

>>102658269
Aethel

>>102658212
another one for the "never ever trust the companies they partner with" list, they're cursed

>>102658174
It's so the corporate vermin that is his legal team can escape repercussions.
He might have as well post that at gunpoint

>>102658152
I understand why she does it.
I still hate America.

>matara is drinking wine out of a bowl because she ran out of clean cups
holy fucking shit
what is this called

>>102658373
alcoholism

>>102658335
Kuro

>>102658373
Alcoholism

>>102658152
>So many western vtuber things are there
for now at least

>>102658256
I mean he pretty much set himself to a civil case but no, they can’t suit him or the company for incompetence, only for the money they own to the talents

Has Matara donated to Mouse's charity yet?

>>102657760
I feel you bro, I'm here as a Pia viewer. Let's support the fuck out of them in the collab

>>102655677
I'm usually very reluctant to blame malice for what's usually just incompetence but not knowing that money wasn't raised in connection to charity is such a dumb fucking lie. This statement was clearly written by lawyers. Reality is that he probably needed to pay debts/invoices and took money from the charity because he was hoping investment capital would save the day. Then it didn't and the ponzi investment scheme collapsed.

Also VShojo's business model was retarded and was never sustainable, but you won't see talents mention that.

>>102658373
Being a slav

>>102658373
relapse

Henya streams today

>>102658269
Poor Michi...

>>102658373
The yamato nadeshiko

Guys he had no idea it's for charity btw

>>102658373
a little drinky poo never hurt nobody

Everyone deserves love and compassion

>>102658388
Kson still fucking rules

>>102657919
Are Mouse and Gunrun still friends after all this?

>>102658044
He's also evil, but he's probably a more competent CEO at least.

>>102658434
It could have been sustainable if they weren’t so fucking stupid and burned a lot of money

>>102658373
Being too lazy to clean your dishes

>>102658373
She went past turning the wine aunt.
She is now just trying to turn herself into wine.
Also, alcoholism.

I just hope it won't end up with a crash out in the future like with Justaminx

>>102657342
>says the one who has IQ and EQ below 10

>>102658477
HA

>>102657964
Not until the company is defunct on paper.

>>102658495
yeah they are gonna play Peak next week

WHERES THE GEEGA REACTION TWEET

>>102658477
Yea it’s a wild claim

>>102658507
at least when it comes to the domestic market
internatinonal one, he sucks big poopoo

>>102658495
Yeah sure

>>102658494
Fuck, man
He has fucked with the wrong people, what did he expect

>>102658477
LMAO CAUGHT

>>102658044
gunrun owes this nigga an apology for stealing his talents

>>102658373
Zen...
I am the wine.

>>102658569
Domestic market is only really carried by Kuzuha, it’s really weird and they had a lot of scandals like guy literally called “yab”

>>102658373
just like this

I am waiting for these 3 to respond to Gun's statement

>>102658614
>stealing his talents
kys sister, maybe riku shouldn't have abused his talents

>>102658477
any licensed lawyer would be salivating at the amount of documented verifiable evidence

How many 9/11s is this?

Just scrolling down the replies now

>>102658529
wow, you must feel really smart with that "no u" moment... I guess I was right with the iq/eq estimations

>>102658657
just a lark, breh

>>102658646
who cares

>>102658673
because they already are

>>102658451
Henya's just going to say she's done with the drama and play some games.

>>102658676
9/11 was on Monday, we are currently at the release of the Al Quaeda vid confirming it was them arc

>>102658646
They don't care because they've been /out/ for years

It's not alcoholism just to drink. It's only a disorder if it's actually disrupting your life or your relationships or otherwise causing issues that make you want to stop, and you can't. That just doesn't descrive Matara's situation at all. She doesn't work in an office or something. She's a creative.

>>102658676
MSM was tower 1 and now this is tower 2

Hime update

>>102658646
silver saw it in chat and just continued gaming

>>102658288
I miss when anons were just straight math autists and did the math themselves

>>102658756
ok Mata

>>102658694
What is that, what Tori said?

>>102658756
If you have a compulsion to drink then it's disrupting your life and is alcoholism. You can be a high functioning alcoholic

>>102658793
It’s a tired emoji, one of the new ones

>>102658709
I can't help myself

>>102658767
And Numi better act fast or Bao's gonna steal her girl

>>102658756
>My "I'm not an alcoholic" shirt has people asking a lot of questions already answered by my shirt.

>>102658646
who?

>>102658787
Wah wah
>>102658767
Her cover were all bangers

Gunrun closed the company with Froot in it

>>102658101
I used to watch Mouse and Nyanners early, but I didn't really like their direction after vshojo formed so I dropped them, curious about them after hearing the news

>>102658869
Nazuna is probably still in that hole.

>>102658712
I do
I want to know how the original leavers feel

>>102658869
That was frood of him...

>>102658839
technically it wasn't charity. It was money meant for charity.

>>102658646
This image gives this energy

>>102658827
All of the girliepops are friends with her now, I think Bao should be prepping for the concert with Numi that happens....today? Tomorrow? They must be fucking livid

Aethel is live if you want some humor out of this

Ama is live if you want some comfort out of this

>>102658951
Northernlion is live if you want to watch a good streamer.

>>102658951
When is Layna live so I can jerk off

>>102658718
Someone edit out the Vshojo logo from this please. The art is so cute


Also how the heck do I remove the Vshojo logo from my Henya deskmat now

so we got yet again a case of the millionaire bitch vs a good person... ironmouse vs gunrun. and the multi-milionare wins again.

>>102658951
>"I'm gonna white woman crash out"
Ama what is this title

>>102658701
>I guess I was right with the iq/eq estimations
you are unable to estimate shit, your IQ is too low for that lmao

>>102658782
Silver would never respond to something like this on the fly
she needs time to think

>>102658977
is he playing Uma today?

>>102658993
PREACH

>>102658951
>What else has 3's in it?
>Pyramids, triangles
He's already going right off the bat.

>>102658977
fuck off geega, we are having a moment

>>102659002
are you 12 ?

Oh I knew Mata moved but I didn't know she moved in with haglet Juni

>closure statement hasn't been posted on bluesky yet
not canon vshojo is fine

>>102658951
Damn so no pink cat day?

>>102658756
the thing is, alcoholism is not used anymore to describe problems with alcohol, since it's not really clear when one becomes an alcoholic
alcohol use disorder is the new terms, it casts a far bigger net on what people it considers having troubles with alcohol, which Mata definitely falls under

>>102659051
I could see Bluesky pulling a VShojo themselves

>>102659042
She's novorussian so of course she'd move to the US

>check catalog thread
>some absolute drooling retards implying mouse is in on stealing from the charity and will be liable to be sued
these people live on different planets

>>102659080
Sounds like cope

>>102659051
see this
https://youtu.be/BdrjgZJh5CM?t=3576

>>102659080
pointless semantics
she has "alcohol use disorder" in the same sense that she is an alcoholic

Bad news for anyone who bought keycaps

ama dodged a bullet

>>102659042
So that's who it was, Juni is such a nice girl.

i still believe.

we're coming back stronger than ever.

where my vshobros at

>>102659040
you can't use this website if you're underage, so leave this instant

>>102658869
hey, at least it means Froot doesn't have to bother with any extensive legal procedure to leave, makes it easier

>>102659114
Very possible you don't know shit either

>>102659080
That's the most New-Age crap I've ever heard.

>>102658915
yeah there's a difference but it's still illegal to use funds raised with the intent of donating to charity for another purpose
it's fraud and misuse of funds.

>>102659114
Wait till you find out they just say outlandish shit ti annoy people and start rumors and they don't actually care

>Zen hanging with Mata and Ruben
>Geega hanging with Ama
AIEEE WHO DO I WATCH

>>102659135
Ama dodged into a bullet

>>102659143
I mean, if even wactor could pull it off...

>>102659134
lmao

>>102659177
NOVAlap replaced by haglap, they have grown too strong...

TIME TO REACT, LADIES AND GENTS
REACT STREAMS
REACT STREAMS
REACT STREAMS

What was that broken heart tweet about?

>>102658494
>>102658388
>>102658269
>>102658150
I still find some sort humor in how most of the talents are being cautious, wary of legal implications of saying the wrong thing, but then the older women (Kson, Ama) just come out swinging and say "Justin you lying jackass what the fuck were you thinking?"
It's like being a Karen but using that attitude for good.

>>102659268
Connor is pregnant and Mouse is NOT the father

>>102659134
Should have bought the multi pack before...

>>102656365
>It doesn't count as "profitable" if it's a public company
Keep moving that goalpost

>>102659283
Aethel knocked up the wrong streamer...

>>102659079
pink cat is sick

it's okay guys he didn't kno-

Reminder that Vei won

>>102655581 (OP)
how many of these girls do you think are being poached by Mythic right now?

>>102659333
zulul

If I have to thank Vshojo for anything then it is to introduce me to some lovely talents.

>>102659338
Shylily is fucking salivating

>>102659333
who?

>>102658981
She's been live for almost 2 hours you fake bitch

Wait mata lives with juniper? or is she just visitng?

>>102659322
The missing donation is from the subathon, not any of these other events. And given how loutlot described VShojo's bookkeeping it legitimately sounds like all money went into a big pool unmarked which makes the "oops I'm retarded" defense seem viable lmao.

>>102659363
yes, on my cock, haha :)

>>102659042
>Two bugs living together

>>102659363
>>102659400
Oh hey it's the 70 yo twitch ceo that shylily went on a private vacation with

>>102659373
I missed the notification while playing osrs

>>102656713
They will go back to being indies.
They will still make good money.
They will not have the help to do big things outside of streams that, even if you're not into, they really want to do
>see picrel
Some of them will attempt to do corpo-lite by hiring actual employees to help them, only to then realize they have become managers, not just a streamer anymore

>>102659363
Why? She doesn't own Mythic

>>102659471
she's almost certainly joining Mythic. I guarantee it.

Ama please

show feet

>>102659471
I could see Mata trying to get her into her agency

I just want Froot to touch me inappropriately :/

>>102659474
her own flavor is the 2nd most sold one in the entire lineup
she absolutely has some pull in the company and could bring a friend in

>>102659333
who?

>>102659505
and if not mythic, it's another talent management agency

>>102659505
asmonmold has been salivating over this drama since it started
he's definitely gonna try to scoop them all up into mythic for sure

>>102659527
but we're talking about Mythic, why are you bringing up gamersupps?

newthread
>>102659533
>>102659533
>>102659533

Is Ama batposting?

when's geega joining this bitch is boring

>>102659558
I thought these 2 are connected

>>102659505
Maybe
That was just an example for my point, which applies to... more than just her

>>102659524
It's not inappropriate if you want it retard

>>102659585
no connection at all

>>102659559
>10(11)
Not yet, dumbass

aethel calling out the bullshit
OUR GUY

>>102656575
>If it was raised FOR charity and you spend it on something else
it was Mouse's (Vshojos until payed to contractor) twitch revenue that she later REQUESTED go to a charity. the real question is how their accounts were structured and if funds designated in creator accounts were embezzled to operating costs

It's very simple
Gunrun = Ironmouse

Wait, Gunrun released a statement? When was that?
I swear every time I wake up there's been seven new developments.

I feel said seeing everyone gang up on Gun. He’s not evil. He’s an idealistic man whose good intentions and ideals were confronted with reality.

>>102659134
Well that sucks

>>102660272
He could've avoided this if anyone in the company understood finance. I feel sorry for some of the attacks that are kind of uncalled for, but it his fault and he's right to take responsibility.

>>102660272
He stole from talents and gambled charity money instead of admitting that the company is bankrupt.

I say with extreme confidence that I would've spent that 11 million better.

On the bright side, this is probably the funniest response that he could have given.

>>102660648
He could've just tweeted "I'm so sorry" and disappeared