just made a few mistakes with Vshojo.

IRONMOUSE, WHERE DID THE MONEY GO?

>>102658078 (OP)
VSHOJOU TO THE MOON C'MON BROE!!!!
https://youtu.be/9NHHWu3FsHw&t=129

>>102658078 (OP)
AND YOU COULD HAVE IT ALL
MY EMPIRE OF DIRT

>>102658078 (OP)
>Vshojo is kill

>>102658078 (OP)
>Over short term profits
Bro literally fucked himself in the ass by taking a bunch of VC money.
That debt could not have been cheap.

>>102658078 (OP)
understandable. have a good day.

>>102658078 (OP)
TOTAL HOLOLIVE VICTORY

>>102658078 (OP)
Finally, vtubing can heal.

>I later learned was intended for a charitable initiative

sticky?

VSHOJO HAS FALLEN
MILLIONS MUST BE PAID

>no crazy dox that will fix vtubing
pussy

>>102658594
no need. without vtubers. the company was already dead

I was promised a crazy le epic scorched earth dox. Wtf is this turn the other cheek bullshit

>>102658747
This is clearly written by the mouse. She had gunrun taken care of already. Can’t have anything getting out.

Dude is going to jail

>>102658078 (OP)
I still remember the days when he was just a moderately prominent dude in the Kingdom of Loathing community. How far he's come.

>>102658078 (OP)
>I later learned was intended for a charitable initiative
Aaaaand he just stopped there, kek

Fun fact: You can snitch out Vshoujo to the IRS.
Form 3949-A is a general form for reporting tax fraud. Anyone can submit this, you don't have to be involved with the company in any way.
If you ARE involved with Vshoujo and actually know something, the IRS will reward you for snitching: Fill out and submit Form 211.

>>102658935
>Kingdom of Loathing
wow what the fuck how is that still online

>>102659021
NYPA

He tried to carry all those incompetent whores
He tried, but too much deadweight

>>102658707
>Vshojo implodes on a random tuesday
can't make this shit up
fell off faster than assad

>>102658078 (OP)
Didn't he literally retweet Connor about the charity????

>>102659021
Pro tip: you can get up to 10% extra if you spell the name of the company correctly

"I thought the donations were for me, oops!"

>>102658078 (OP)
GUNRUN
WHERE IS THE MONEY

>>102658078 (OP)
Maybe if ironmouse focused on making money instead of giving it all to charity he wouldn’t have to steal it.

>The money is raised for a good cause. Myself.

Isn't this in a way similar to a ponzi scheme or am I stupid?

He kept having to find bigger and bigger funding from larger investments of outsiders to pay off the stuff he did before, rinse and repeat until he ran out of people that would give him increasingly larger sums

>>102659272
She's dying anon please understand

SAKANA, SAVE HENYA

>>102659317
Welcome to venture capital and start ups in America.

>>102659317
not joking, it was a ponzi scheme after they wasted the vc funds, that's why they were using all the tricks to poach every big talents for the new cashflow

>>102659317
we certainly know they were planning on adding a lot more vtubers. probably to use their income to keep the sinking ship afloat

>>102659272
Well considering how unsuccessful Mata’s and Zen’s subathon went, vtuber watchers or specifically vshojo watchers are probably just poor in general

>>102658532
nah you don't take "debt" with vc money in most cases. Yes gunrun prob pitched in a significant portion of his wealth to convince vc to invest as. well but most cases vc gets portions of the company in return. Gunrun likely owes no one money and the money gone will never be retrieved as, what the fuck is vshojo going to liquidate to pay off, the avatars?

>>102658078 (OP)
Oh shit what a surprise turns out that giving everything to the talents is not a business model that is sustainable long term to a company who wouldve thought
Almost as if hololive wasnt giving talents a better split not because they hate them but because a company needs to be profitable to, you know, fucking exist
Rip bozos, in trying to be better than hololive you ended up stealing millions from your talents and exploding yourself dishonorably

It still remains that Ironmouse, Zen, Kson, Mel and the rest that stayed, said nothing, and effectively defended Vshojo for years after Nyanners, Vei and Silver left are complicit.

>>102658078 (OP)
It is exactly what i was expecting. I don't understand whats so shocking about this? Youtube comments are berating the guy, twitter is on fire and the talents have their scapegoat. To be honest stories always needs villains so i guess he will do while every talent has their scapegoat now and IM put a bounty on the head of everybody with the message "you want to get out of this without getting trashed? Then you donate money to the fundraiser". Where the fuck is the guy supposed to get those money when he used the money from one talent to pay another thing for another talent/the company. Are these people children? Did they actually expect an agency to run with no money? Are they pretending they don't understand out of spite? The company was acting like a bank where the cash flow came from the people who invested in it....Is there something i'm not getting?

>>102659425
They should've streamed on Youtube instead of Twitch if they wanted an audience with money.

>>102659493
Shut up and donate 10k to the mouse RIGHT NOW!

>>102659457
>what the fuck is vshojo going to liquidate to pay off, the avatars?
they can't even do that. talents own the IP afterall

>>102659481
>>>102659442(You)
>>>102659352
>So how much money does the company owe to the girls?
A LOT

I mean in terms of running a corp $11m is peanuts

>>102659425
>vtuber watchers or specifically vshojo watchers are probably just poor in general
we all knew this, everyone knew this but just turned a blind eye to it. Westard viewers rarely pay compared to jp wageslaves

>>102658078 (OP)

>>102659493
Well you know what they say, nobody hates women more than other women

>>102658078 (OP)
Not like he could have said anything else.

>I thought that was money I could pocket
Absolute state.

>>102659608
MENACE IS SO HOT AND BOSSY, FUCK!!!!

>>102658078 (OP)
Their business model never did make much sense to me. Guess I'm not a retard. The company was just flushing millions.

>>102658078 (OP)
>Claims he didn't know the money was for charity.
>The money ws raised by his biggest talent in a record breaking stream.
>A stream he was literally present at.

Please tell me people aren't falling for this fake apology.

One of Twitch’s iconic global emote, gunrun, is about to become limited edition

>>102658876
I can't believe mouse killed ozzy and hulk hogan to distract everyone while she killed Gunrun

original vtuber creator for Mel has evidence the COO is Mels BF
https://x.com/Digitrevx/status/1948441105063674339

Hulk Hogan and Vshojo died today. What a good day

Reminder that Ironmouse was defending Vshojo right until the very end by saying she was never leaving the company after Zen announced her departure.

>>102658461
Where were you when vshojo was kill
I was at house eating kebab

Maybe they wouldn’t get bankrupt if they didn’t shill their non-profitable whores everywhere

>>102658532
Then where the fuck did the money go? It’s obvious he spent it on something.

>>102659693
Already did. Most people can't notice obvious psychopathy in almost all politicians. Vtuber fans are dumber than most.

>>102658078 (OP)
bet he was paying himself millions in salary as the ceo amidst all this lol

>>102659021
>>102659117
Isn’t Vshojo based in England?

>>102658078 (OP)
Turns out rhat in the marketplace of ideas and of morality hololive is the superior model
Rip niji and vshojo kek, whos next with the whole "we're the only not black corpo, in fact we arent a corpo at all!", vallure?

>>102659848
ohhh uhhhh fatmila engaging her bazookas

I can't believe so many of the girls said nothing for the past years. They all just sat there and continued.

>>102659672
They basically were running on the tech startup business model; Spend venture capital like a drunk sailor by hiring lots on talent with generous contracts to make it look like you're growing and hope either someone buys your company or you can go public and dip out before the free money runs out.

Well the free money ran out a couple years ago and there was suddenly bills to pay.

>>102659608
BASED

>>102659773
Honestly she wouldn’t, she’s deeply involved in all the vshojo bullshit. It only happens because of kson going berserk

>>102659911
It's in the nature of women

>>102659654
Thats not what it says retard kun...it says he thought it was money that could be used for the company...the company that owns absolutely nothing and has to use the funds from the talents towards the talents...like fucking concerts..or the shitty robots they had to use that everybody were clapping like seals over how advanced they were, or amenities for when the talents had to go to certain places.

The thing that annoys me the most is the fact that they grill him now for literally being the guy to say fuck classic corpos and went with the hopeful and naive version of a company. THIS IS WHAT YOU AND THE INDIES WANTED. A SAFEHAVEN CORPO. THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND IS THE NATURAL END OF THIS UTOPIC IDEA.

Its either Niji or Holo in this reality of ours. Vshoujo cannot exist and Gunrun is the living embodiment of why you can't be starry eyed.

>>102659693
I'm not falling for the other criminals playing up like they were victims in this, like that biggest talent you're referring to. It's like believing that Saul was a victim of Walter White.

>>102659870
??? where did you get that. It's based in san francisco, the founders literally are from silicon valley

>>102659499
>generous splits
Don't tell me you actually believe this bullshit.

>>102659826
Concerts, paying managers wages, ironmouse millions of models and whatever else
If you have a manager per talent thats a million that you need to raise every year, they certainly werent making a million off of "5% merch cut" so bankrupt they go

>>102659317
It has elements of it, but there is obviously a business in there too. A lot of startups rely on similar practices, with the gamble being they hit a sustainable level before the seed funding runs out.
Venture capital investors know there is a big risk, but a few big hits can cover for a lot of failures.
VShojo's model was never going to work given how bad they were at organising the merch side of things, so it's no surprise the investors dried up.

>>102659693
apology? nah of course not, it's just lawyer-speak to cover his ass in case any of the investors or talents come after him

Most underappreciated part of this: every single Vshojo talent is likely getting doxxed. Previous scandals never had a chance in hell of getting to the stage of needing legal action. This has chaotic bankruptcy proceedings written all over it unless Kson/Mouse/etc are lying about being owed months of unpaid wages or they all signed a contract that was so retarded Gunrun was legally allowed to pay them $0 for months of work.
This means discovery, this means documents are coming out, and these documents are going to contain at minimum the real names of everybody under the Vshojo umbrella unless either side is somehow successful with a motion to seal them. If any of them didn't have a single-member LLC set up to anonymize their business I'd assume they'd have to bring action under their real name as well. Who knows though, Zen might be so afraid of being outed he convinces everyone not to take legal action for hundreds of thousands of dollars they may be owed.

>>102658078 (OP)
This is the Enron of vtubing, possibly the biggest drama in vtubing history in terms of consequences

>>102659990
I absolutely believe it because the guy was an idiot who actually thought that in this bitch of a reality his idea would actually work.

>>102659911
The current meta for people outside of Vshojo seems to be to talk about how Vshojo definitely reached out to them in the past and how even then they could totally see how bad they were and they just for some reason never said anything about it until now.

>>102659911
Yeah what the fuck.
"Oh I didn't get paid for months, seems normal."

>>102659788
I was playing Forza Horizon 4. Didn't miss anything, I guess.

>>102659826
He spent billions of dollars to promote ironlung, who just betrays him later

Companies that seem too good to be true, are exactly that.

>>102659911
just imagine how much money they had to make that some apparently didn't even realized the money from the merchandise was missing

>>102659991
>ironmouse millions of models
it’d be funny if all the money got blown away by that, if the rrat about all funding going to their biggest talent, ironmouse, was true

>>102660026
vshojo talents are just independent contractors not employees. when companies go belly up, no one gives a fuck about contractors. in terms of standing they're not so different than office window cleaners.

>Oh i didnt know my coworkers didnt get paid
These people were barely friends outside of streams.no wonder gunrun got away with it for so long

>>102659485
>Almost as if hololive wasnt giving talents a better split not because they hate them but because a company needs to be profitable to, you know, fucking exist
These fucking idiots never stop to think that the split that all Cover talents deal with goes into running the company. Salaries for everyone involved, taxes, operation costs, merch, music/ad deals, etc. That shit isn't given by the money fairy.

(And if you wanna be pedantic, YouTube should have far less of a cut of super chats/membership than they do. They take 30% away and then invest in what, Shorts? Making retarded changes no one wants? 20% or less is what it should be for processing fees and skimming off the top.)

>>102659991
>If you have a manager per talent
If.

>>102660067
The moment I heard ShyLily mention that they wanted to get their greedy mitts on talent money they didn't contribute to, I knew they embezzled the fuck out of it.

>>102657317
Damn, this guy predicted it

>>102659968
>Its either Niji or Holo in this reality of ours.

Or you could just settle for being small but financially stable.

>>102658078 (OP)
that's it? just black text on a white background? what's this niji termination letter? where's the naked dogeza?

>>102659911
It's dog eat dog world out there folks

>>102659870
I can understand maybe thinking it was based on Japan but how the fuck did you jump to the idea of England??

>>102660156
Wrong.
Vshojo does all that for free out of the good of their heart. They just love vtubing and came up with an innovative new business model.
Literally no downsides.

>>102660074
>petite-booj kids
>never had a job before
>are not unionized
>complete global saturation of capitalist propaganda made them all cucks to the corporations
I believe it.

>>102660136
lets be honest. in bankruptcy. the vtubers are very low on the list for payment. i think they already know they won't get anything

>>102660258
no wonder other small vtuber companies failed to recreate vshojo, it was not sustainable

>>102658078 (OP)
just how many useless fulltime employees with health insurance and benefits did they have to pay every year to just lose all that money?

>>102660258
The image is accurate though. It’s literally running a streamer charity program, until their whores drain them out

>>102660177
This is not embezzlement, its actually something much much worse because nobody left with any money...except maybe Ironmouse with her latest charity thing.
>>102660191
Why are we doing this song and dance...its the same shit everywhere. You start with an idea, you try to run it well,the the money has to come from somewhere and you sell bits of your soul so that you can keep it running until you become the villain or you die. This will continue happening because you are either a golden yacht collector that is hated by everybody or a starry eyed retard running away from country to country trying to find the money to pay the people involved.

>>102660316
honestly don't think they have much assets to even sell to pay anyone anything anymore

>>102660191
Hes next btw
In this world of ours you either are hololive or you kill yourself trying to surpass them, and time destroys everything if you desire to stagnate instead

>>102660396
Sell the women

>>102660344
>This is not embezzlement, its actually something much much worse because nobody left with any money...except maybe Ironmouse with her latest charity thing.
A talent agency is just management, it shouldn't have overhead that the talents can't cover, unless they either a) are extremely stupid with money, or b) embezzle the fuck out of it, and I am DONE assuming stupidity, ESPECIALLY when it comes to money.

>>102659773
She knew.

>>102659745
I want to believe that this COO guy has stolen the money, and as a result Melody is now sitting on a huge pile of cash
I want it to be true, would be very funny

With more information exposing those streamers come to light soon, it’s gonna be a really interesting situation

>>102658078 (OP)
It's VShOVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>102660258
This image and their business model always reminded me of ghat "infinite money" troll comic.

>>102659870
They aren't based anywhere

>>102660454
But we have seen that they are stupid with money...Its not that i like Gunrun or anything but how did anybody never see the fact that this business model is unsustainable? If we really wanted to see it be able to succeed then everybody should have contributed to it. What happened was that everybody clapped at how beautiful this dream came into reality without asking what is needed to keep this dream alive. Vshoujo failing just shows people that more people like Tazumi Sanji are needed in this world....

>>102659911
It's the same behavior as the covid pandemic.
If you don't say anything, then nothing is wrong, everything is fine, there is no need to be scared, or to face a bad situation.

>>102659745
Wasn mel a founder. How she didnt know anything about this?

>>102659499
a lot of the talent has been complaining about manipulative management tactics so this is the result

>>102659826
Maybe he's also buying a yacht

>>102660610
See >>102659922

The goal is to sell the company before the money runs out and potential buyers/investors realize its a dud. Gunrun failed.

>>102660664
>How she didnt know anything about this?
They all knew, nobody works a year for free.

>>102658078 (OP)
This man belongs behind bars.

>>102660664
She got out the front door while everyone else were looking away. You know those scenes in movies where the villain disguises as a victim to get out of a situation? Well thats that.

>>102660610
>how did anybody never see the fact that this business model is unsustainable
Vshojo's bean counters did. If the business doesn't work, you change it, not just fucking hope for the best. If Vshojo was spending above its means, it means you cut the fuck back.

>>102659922
>generous contracts
Has anyone besides ShyLily post theirs?

Why did Vshojo fail? Should have they asked for a bigger cut?

>>102660664
She was a founder but likely not an executive.

>>102658078 (OP)
What's the point of these Nimi deflection threads?

>>102658078 (OP)
HAHAHAHAHA, GET FUCKED.
>>102659968
Nah, the guy wasn't starry eyed at all. Why do you think he recruited so many Vtubers in 2023? He poached them by promising better things, taking part of their fanbase when they reincarnated. It wasn't out of the goodness of his heart, but because it was a disloyal business decision to gain more following. According to their tweets Shoto and Shylily could have joined, thay only cared for the big guys to get more money.
>>102659485
Fucking hell yeah, years of hearing how Vshojo is the best and Holo survives by actually being a good business, glad to see

>>102660191
I forsee this post aging terribly

>>102658078 (OP)

Me when I admit to wire fraud while people are suing me for that.

>>102660800
That would have meant telling the talents to spend less and invest more in the company...i mean i can just imagine that talk between Gunrun and Ironmouse telling her to stop spending her own money on vtuber models for herself or others. That wouldn't have ended nicely at all. They also have no power over the talents so telling her that would have ended in a laugh and a twitter post about how much of an asshole he is.

>>102660870
If Subcomandante Sakana starts sourcing his coffee from Chiapas and Cuba, or something. half the board would just call him based.

>>102660811
Primarily a spending and organization problem. They hired too much staff and ran too much promo and non-merch things in an effort to grow and provide return on that sweet VC money instead of building a solid business foundation on doing just merch, but doing that really well.

>>102658078 (OP)

>>102658078 (OP)
>i didn't know the charity money from the charity stream was meant for charity

>>102660870
>>102660399
>two more weeks!

They've outlasted all but like 2 companies at this point, when are we going to stop pretending they're bad at business?

>>102660902
What Ironmouse does with her own cut is her problem. Whatever "generous split" (lmao) they had to going, he had to make do.

>>102660942
Yeah, it's pure incompetence if true. I believe it because it's no excuse.

>>102660762
Def possible that a year ago Gunrun informally told everyone about the money situation and to work through it so that the company could get bailed out by VC (even though he was likely lying through his teeth) - and that's why no one publicly raised the alarm bells even though privately multiple talents (certainly Mata at least) were drafting escape plans

This guy is going to jail for this Twitter post. This is possibly the funniest moment in vtubing history.

I thought vtubers were profitable

>>102660902
Why would they invest in the company? They don't own any part of it. They're contractors not shareholders.

who's realistically going to sue the vshojo execs? lawsuits are extremely time and money consuming, and fucking stressful. I kinda doubt anything would happen unless their primary vc investment company makes a move to retrieve whatever capital is left.

>>102661006
Nah. "Your honor, I was dumb, not malicious" is classic ass-covering. You don't expect him to just admit to fraud, do you?

>>102658078 (OP)
>i later learned was for a charitable initiative
god, not only is the jp ceo a complete fucking retard but so is this guy. Please consult your lawyer before releasing a statement next time lmao

>>102659970
>>102660222
I don't know, I just had it in my head that it's based in England or that their founder is from England. Something with England

>>102659745
The ex/vshojotards will attack this guy and say it's not big deal that they're in a relationship.

>>102660860
He recruited more vtubers because he needed more money to put into the company to make it stay afloat.
> Shylily
I'm sorry but knowing what we know now i'd stay away from her and Bao because they are like radioactive poisonous frogs,these bitches have no morals when it comes to digging a whole for others if you say something bad about them.
>Fucking hell yeah, years of hearing how Vshojo is the best and Holo survives by actually being a good business, glad to see
You do realize that at its core it was the best idea only that it was utopic? Its exactly what everybody wanted, a company where you earn your own money, you have your own model, you bring as much money as you wish and they don't bitch at you for anything. Thats what this was an aspiration toward, not even Holo has that...

>>102661061
Ironmouse is literally already sueing them.

So the fuck is going on

>>102660610
The extravagance was part of the business model, they way they marketed themselves. Like when all the Niji refugees joined and remarked on how much better support they were getting despite keeping so much more of their revenue. It was a big deal, Niji were the shit black company and VShojo were saving these people.
Now Mr Nijisanji still has a company despite all their shit, and his talents get paid what they are owed because they haven't been promised the moon. And Gunrun is a failure.

>>102661061
can’t the idf demand for stolen donations?

>>102661079
No judge is going to see the broader context of this and buy that. I didn't know the half a million dollars from the charity stream my company helped organize was for charity, Your Honor.

>>102661044
If they’re profitable they wouldn’t eat McDonald’s everyday

>>102659745
literally zero evidence kek

>mfw They thought a public apology means anything in a situation like this
Gunrun, you're gonna go to court over this. Anything you say can and will be held against you. Every time you, or any Japanese corpo for whatever reason releases one of these statements you're admitting fault.

>>102661167
what if they like eating mcdonalds

>>102660942
The most charitable (heh) reading u can give this is that he didn't know it was charity money from the charity stream. Maybe the cash was lumped with some other account and then slowly depleted to pay operational costs without anyone earmarking it for IDF. (I don't believe this at all)

>>102660938
Whoops, my bad everyone

I keep thinking in the wrong IDF

>>102661167
You would be shocked by how many wealthy people enjoy mcdonalds for god knows what reason.

LMAO
All I see is Vshojo trying to be the modern Hololive, but their finances are when Hololive was an infant.
They really thought getting to Hololive's level was easy as hell.
They basically tried to fake everything until they made it.

Never fucking doubt Cover again.

I'm guessing he has no money to fight NDA breaks unless he starts a gofundme,
Hope all the girls go nuclear on his ass.

>>102661044
This retardation is how this guy got 11 million in the first place

>>102661257
It's probably the fries.

>>102661044
Like all jobs on this godforsaken earth, only if you do it right. Do it wrong and you get shit like this.

>>102660942
I give it like an hour or less before someone digs up old tweets or chat posts about him acknowledging ironmouse doing a massive charity

>>102661113
> Its exactly what everybody wanted, a company where you earn your own money, you have your own model, you bring as much money as you wish and they don't bitch at you for anything
How would that even be a company? You're just doing your own shit at that point.

>>102661268
They never tried to actually make it. They just wanted easy money.

>>102660136
Except when the money trail follows them and found guily anon. Then they can be liable under the same lawsuit.

>>102658078 (OP)
>I know
>I know I've let you down
>I've been a fool to myself

You killed the man
but not the idea

>>102661113
>where you earn your own money, you have your own model, you bring as much money as you wish and they don't bitch at you for anything
What does the company even do? That's just being an indie with redtape and overhead

>>102661257
>>102661307
It's the burgers.

>>102661307
It's not the 90s/early 2000s anymore, modern mcdonalds fries are garbage. They're like bottom 3 of fast food fries. Soggy, chewy, and undercooked on the inside.

>>102661268
>They basically tried to fake everything until they made it.
Silicon Valley in a nutshell

>>102660988
>What Ironmouse does with her own cut is her problem
EXACTLY WHAT I AM SAYING. In the reality Gunrun was living he actually thought that somehow Ironmouse would be able to give those money towards the place that keeps her and the others with no worries towards taxes and shit. She would rather do charities for everything else but this place.
>>102661136
Thats what makes me bitter about this. In another way they just proved Tazumi right for being a fucker and working his talents into the ground.
>>102661332
I don't know ask him and the people who either took advantage of him IM, Zentreya or are so laidback and simple that they don't even understand why it doesn't work Henya

>>102661315
They already did

>>102661315
Don't even need to go that far. He was posting in chat during it iirc.

>>102660610
They would rather people drop it that they are stupid than pursue the money. Its obvious what Gunrun is trying to pull.

>>102661379
The idea was that they handle merch, find sponsors and take care of whatever you could need, from dancing lessons to help you out with your taxes

So people will finally shut up about why Cover is small on some points, and not trying to rush into things like other companies? Because this is what happens when companies try to rush things.

>>102658078 (OP)
the funniest reveal to me is how they "failed" to raise any more funding. Even with their brand, no other investors and capitalists were willing to write a check or even just downright acquire them after seeing their books lol

>>102658078 (OP)
Remember, it's the western audience that asks for a VTuber company where the talents themselves receive 90% of the profits.

Why is no one pointing the finger at ironmouse? She was the top bitch by far, are we pretending she wasn't aware of most of this shit for a long time now?

>>102660664
People think all vshojo tubers are honest is the biggest laugh of this entire scenario.

>>102661399
Every venture capital startup really. The dream of all of them is to have fun with millions and then retire when a big company buys you out.

>>102659317
This is literally how the entire USA economy works
OpenAI has more capital than most countries in the world despite chatgpt not really being economically viable,the amount of premium user cannot possibly justify the operating costs, its all vibe and hype based

>>102661489
They looked at those untalented vshojo whores and just said “nah”

this nigga better have had d&o insurance

>>102661235
I'm going to be frank. That's something that a business handling any real amount of money should not do. That's gross incompetence and gross negligence.

>>102659991
This, everyone asking "where the money go???" mousekeks, you know exactly where. The pity party comes at a hefty price. Concerts, music videos, big important guests, all that shit it aint free.

>>102661500
We all are, she is acting too fast and too suspiciously. We’re just patiently waiting for evidence

>>102659485
many of hololives splits are far over 50% though. Voice packs are 3 stars and they are 50%

>>102661489
What investor in their right mind would invest in a company that doesn't own any assets they can liquidate?

>>102659848
She's Nimi's fiancé?

>>102661481
All of the ex Holos do that fine on their own without having to pay an "agency tax"

>>102660031
Hard to say if this, or Nijisanji driving Selen to attempt suicide was worse even if Vshojo just speed ran going from 'everything fine' to imploding.

>>102661606
selfish women didn't want to give up any IP

>>102661498
Why bother with the company? Cut out the middlemen and support the indies directly

>>102661481
These are feckless young women. You can't so any of those things without also bitching at them at least sometimes.

>>102661592
There will be no evidence...she is literally an evangelist right now. You want to be pure of heart? Promote and donate. What can anybody do? She is sick and she also went on a break for her mental to get better...She has an army of simps at her back and lots of youtuber friends at her side. She doesn't even need to get into an argument... The only way of actually damaging mouse is to find a vtuber who is sicker than her and arm it with proof otherwise she is unbeatable.

>>102661500
Didn’t Melody found the company? Why attack the talent?

>>102661543
Chat AIs are never going to be that profitable, the real potential is in data collecting/media generating AI. And its value is going to be in taking a job that requires a team of 10 humans and turning it into a job that only requires 3 humans and an AI.

Come on MTD, say something back, fuel the drama

>>102661701
? If it's working, then indies would be more popular than Hololive.

>>102661591
KSON's security detail and 20-30 tech + managment salaries in california.

>>102661500
Jesus anon don't you know she is bedridden? Easy punching down huh?

>>102661167
Whats an average ubereats mccies order? 20 bucks? spending 40 bucks a day on food is upper middle class at least, thats 1.2k dollars, a whole ass rent

>>102659069
This. How many dumb, entitled cunts did he think he could prop up? Should have owned the IPs, like a real corpo.

>>102659848
god I hope it's about Vedal and his groomer-like tendencies

Wait. So, Cover was actually doing the right thing with how they are running the company? I thought you guys said that Cover was fucking up badly?

>>102661659
They did not speed run "everything fine". It was shit since Nyanners and co. left they just hid it for 3 years

>>102659848
Whats that smell? Did...she fart?

>>102661633
It’s not really comparable, because the ex-Holos are in a much better situation than most of the Vshojo talents were when they decided to join the agency. And even so, big indies like Doki have talked endlessly about the nightmare of handling everything alone

So if you have the chance to let someone else do it, there don’t seem to be any downsides, and everyone trusts them... why not?

>>102661500
The vtuber fanbase is incredibly retarded and will always believe anything a vtuber says until another vtuber with better reputation drops a google doccy on them.

>hololive wins by doing nothing
how do you stop your competition from being retarded? it's starting to get boring when there are no other decent corpos around.

>>102661841
They make plenty of fuck ups, but having actual reliable revenue streams is not one of them.

>>102660031
Veechubas in Congress.

>>102661659
>speed ran going from 'everything fine' to imploding
Did you even read the tweet????? They had PROBLEM FOR A LONG TIME

>>102658078 (OP)
Saba . . why did you do this? - /vt/ Catalog probably

>>102661841
Cover isn't leaking anything like Vshojo. I have a hard time believing they are as incompetent.

>>102660026
Ironmouse is counting on being able to convince the other Vshojos to abort legal action and just accept that she stole their money.

>>102661839
The girls WISH he was grooming them.

>>102661775
>the real potential is in data collecting/media generating AI
Maybe but my point is that giantic data centers are being built to feed a business model that is not productive but is booming financially thanks to hype
The current economic system is full on retarded and is only keep afloat because the USA is so insanely powerful compared to the rest of the world

>>102661839
Its going to be another "I totally had this one experiance with them and knew they were bad right away but chose to not say anything about it and praise them for the past couple years anyways" story just like every othrr big indie is doing right now.

>>102661904
>>102661860
The Nijisanji is still the gold standard for fuck ups. Especially when they undermined their own CEO's message.

>>102661874
Just need someone who's not gunrun do it I suppose

>>102662038
Lol nijisanji is still there while VShojo is no longer existing. You are a huge retard

>>102661960
You don't get that big being incompetent while also trying to properly foresee where your company will go for the next few years.
I think the biggest issue people here have with them is that they think they are slow on the uptake.
But right now, I think they are just that cautious because look at all this shit happening.

>>102660942
Is that how you read that as?
My takeaway from it was that somehow the subathon money wasn't earmarked as that and ended up getting used in their dumbass juggling act.
I call BS on that though considering that someone in bean counting should have all of their incoming and outgoing money detailed, specially since they apparently were also handling Ironmouse's income from streaming, not just her merch/event revenue.

>>102662044

>>102662095
Luca is still there when are you going to get rid of him? Why only Aster when there is just as much evidence over the years.

>>102662095
NijiEN is still a walking corpse and went from HoloEN's direct rival where they manged to get Holoen to open their Walled Garden, to a third rate corpo because of the Selen incident.

>>102661981
Oh I know it. Thats why most of my investments are in stable assets. Its slower growth but will help shield me from whenever we inevitably pull another Nixon and pretend we didn't just default on our debt.

>>102662122
>somehow the subathon money wasn't earmarked as that
Was this spreadsheet the CFO's accounting software? Not even quickbooks would let you do that.

>>102658078 (OP)
the retards that decide to shell out hundreds of thousands to place adverts in shinjuku station of all fucking places meet the consequences of their retarded actions. rest in piss, you incompetent grifters

>>102662199
Lmao who is the first rate corpo now beside holo? Fucking vshojo??? Wait wait i know what you are going to say it will start with the letter "P" again?

>>102660131
>if
>if

>caught hiding embezzlement
why don't these ex-vshojo chuubas lawyer up they could get easy money off the people in charge for damages?

>>102662044
There is a non zero chance this is what actually happened

>>102662303
There is no other first rate corpo outside of HoloEN. Why would you even say something that retarded?

>>102662199
That happened because the Chinese boom they lucked into ended, which likely would have happened regardless of how well they handled it. Their decline started long before the bpd menhera had her tantrum.

>>102662303
Phase>>>>>>>>dead nijien

>>102662044

>>102662044
You meant to say the right IDF! They should sue the dying kids for trademark infringement.

>>102661981
The hype is warranted imo. AI is powerful and terryfing. It's going to be the defining technology of the 21st century. Doesn't make sense for todays economy but with how fast this shit is changing no one knows what the economy is going to be 2 or 20 years from now. The dotcom bubble didn't stop the internet from taking over the world. Whatever financial missteps are made in the near term are going to be eclipsed by the benefits of winning the AI race.

>>102659317
hey wait i minute i used to do consulting work and that was a major issue with canadian companies. guess that's the north american economy

>>102662303
No one is going to say Phase is the most successful. Number 1 best corpor is still HoloEN in the biz but Vshojo and NijiEN have been proven to be mismanaged.

Numberfags have been dancing around wasting everyones time for years. Who are more often than not holofags.

>>102659102
Ludwig, not Connor.

>>102662114
The cover wins by doing nothing meme is BS. What looks like "doing nothing" is actually tons of people behind the scenes making sure Vshitshow doesn't happen

>>102659911
its a lesson learned, too many vtubers aren't aware of labour laws and navigating the rat race

>>102661373
Who was in Gunrun's poly harem?

>ironmouse is leaking information to drama channel now
I know this bitch isn’t any good

>>102661841
Cover just hasn't run the company into the floor yet. Which is concerningly likely seeing how much they're pouring into their Metaverse project that's already burnt a giant hole in their pocket.

>>102662554
mowtendoo's entourage

>>102662537
I think everyone inherently knows this. It's just that people in the internet love surface-level quick jabs.

>>102662259
It was $15k at most. Connor can't read kanji

>>102662609
I do not want to imagine the smell.

>>102662245
Yeah that's why I called BS on it.
Though if I had to put on a tinfoil hat to make any of this bullshit somehow possible, the least outlandish way it might have happened would be that a line item for Ironmouse's subathons only ever show up on the spreadsheets would appear when she does them (since it's not like she's all subathon all the time) and they just forgot to do that, making her subathon revenue get listed under her regular streaming.
That still makes fuck all sense though because it'd mean that for that particular point in time Vshojo stole at least $515k from Ironmouse alone to patch holes in their sinking ship.

>>102658078 (OP)
Talent freedom project fails. What did we learn?

>>102662707
That Saba was right.

>>102662601
I can definitely see Holo falling in 5 years if they don't pull the plug on the metaverse BS or at least scale it down significantly and pivot.

>>102662756
The EN branch?

>>102661268
>Vshojo trying to be the modern Hololive
This is true but the reason they failed isn't really because of money, they are trying to bullshit their way with aggressive shilling and literally targeting Hololive, their ultimate goal is to poach Hololive talents, if they managed to do that then they basically become the Hololive this strategy is very risky it all depends on how stupid most of Hololive talents are, and VshojoJp is their last attempt to test their real brand power since they failed their ultimate goal, turns out all of those shillings and paying established content creators to join you is not enough to turn the illusion of Vshojo big brand into reality.

>>102662375
it happened because their rot went from both management and talents, Selen and Pomu were the golden gooses and they killed them both off. Which is even more tragic with how fiercely loyal Selen was.
She's much better off being an indie but NijiEN fuck up insanely big.

>>102662469
Its how every first world economy and bank works and has been that way since Nixon imposed his changes to the US economic model. They're all basically run like big ponzi schemes.

>>102662681
>subathon revenue get listed under her regular streaming
They don't take their regular streaming revenue. It's one of their selling points.

>>102661167
>>102661257
>

Running a company is le hard?

>>102662707
It's time for a Dubai company with girls imported under the kafala system. Least profitable vtuber of the month gets lashed live.

>>102659608
>everyone will be trying to get in their smug gotchas now

>>102662707
There can be no freedom without order.

>>102662809
Mouse's video literally said that she gave them control of accepting the money she makes from streaming too, only having that shit deposited into her bank account.
She's the only one thats set up that way afaik. Her dumbass paranoia of getting doxxed caused her to be the most financially exploitable out of all of them.

>>102662783
The entire corporation

>>102658078 (OP)
>talent freedom

ENTER

>>102658078 (OP)
You pulled this shit in CALIFORNIA, one of the most draconian states when it comes to corpo regulation? The cojones on this guy.

>>102662896
shut up sunday

>>102662601
The metaverse crap is being done for the same reason Bamco was doing it with gundam. Its to impress investors and nothing more. They see terms like "vr" and "metaverse" and clap like seals because they remember the big hedgefunds they copy investing into those things before. It is never intended to actually make money in the traditional sense. Big companies do stuff like that all the time.

>>102662806
I used to think that I'm paying payroll taxes to fund my SS but isn't it more accurate to say that I'm paying pensioners current SS and that future generations are going to pay for mine?

Bit of a kerfuffle isn't it?

>>102662964
you think the rich fucks in san francisco are gonna do anything about this?

>>102661775
>the real potential is in data collecting/media generating AI.
Anon even that isn't profitable to cover the scale of ChatGPT/OpenAI. Like, these companies have burned literal TRILLIONS on this shit.
>And its value is going to be in taking a job that requires a team of 10 humans and turning it into a job that only requires 3 humans and an AI
No, the value is to trick dumbass CEOs into thinking that's the case. In reality they consistently fuck up so hard you'd need to spend more money to clean up their mess.

>>102662897
So they're a bunch of liars banking on a cripple's good will. That's just prime

>>102660069
>just for some reason never said anything about it until now.
Anyone speaking out against VShojo would have been crucified. Why stick out your neck for something you cannot fully confirm, which may only apply to you, when everyone involved says they're happy there?

never seen a good guy host charity streams

>>102662820
>if only you knew how bad things really were

>>102663028
For some reason Japanese investors are really susceptible to this shit. How that country manages to be lightyears ahead of others in certain areas while also constantly being behind the curve is beyond me.

>>102663112
What's the dirt on Cdawg?

>>102662513
Pack it up, gentlemen. Straight to jail.

>>102662809
Ironmouse contract was different and according to her the money went to the company first and they would handle streaming expenses "for her". Depending on the precise language of the contract the donations from her channel might be vshojo revenue.

>>102663052
Maybe if they didn't hire rich fucks who live in san francisco they'd have more money. Why didn't they operate out of Austin or Atlanta instead???

>>102663066
>Anon even that isn't profitable to cover the scale of ChatGPT/OpenAI. Like, these companies have burned literal TRILLIONS on this shit.
I think the data harvesting shit was never profitable to begin with. If it was, YouTube wouldn't be making their ad system more aggressive and Twitter wouldn't be charging people for a blue checkmark. Hell even Meta doesn't seem to be making money off of it. The entirety of the modern Internet is built upon a bubble propped up by Silicon Valley and their 2010's infinite money glitch that's starting to run out. The sooner it crashes the better.

>>102663126
Maybe it's old money trying to relive the 70s.

>>102658078 (OP)
Years and years of hearing about "Talent first" and then Vshojo collapses like a house of cards while saying, "Talent Last Actually"
Is he going to jail?

>>102658078 (OP)
And now Nijisanji isn't even in top 3 worst corpos.
What a year.

>>102663119
More like
>There's so much fucking sodium in this slop

>>102663202
>Operating out of Atlanta instead of expensive coastal cities
Finally I'm not the only one saying this.

Meh. I did tell you guys to not put all your eggs against Hololive. Look at what happens.

>>102658078 (OP)
bro why would you just go out and say "i embezzled cancer dying charity money"
the fuck is wrong with this guy ?

>>102663090
The alternative is that they're a bunch of well meaning retards that knew fuck all about how to run a business and got kicked in the dick by how the real world works, corrupting their well meaning nature to try and salvage their dreams.
Neither one is a good look and if you believe they're the thing I mentioned above then I have a bridge to sell you.

>>102662444
Yes but OpenAI model is not training models to work on space rockets but instead having its AI respond to the query of millions of unsubscribed users who want a second opinion on their hemorroids
Google and microsoft are working on AI research though

>>102663287
I heard west virginia is looking into doing tax incentives as well. Meanwhile my state is going full retard in the other direction and trying to be the next california when it comes to taxes and regulations.

>>102663391
he just wanted to say that he's sorry, no need to be a dick to him

>>102659745
Isn't he the retard who went scorched earth because he wanted 100s of thousands of $ after Mel became popular even though she had paid for the model and no such contract existed? Why would you believe anything this retard says.

>>102662327
The company is insolvent, nobody is getting paid even with lawsuits. They'd just be burning legal fees on a pyrrhic victory.

>>102663250
Maybe so, that was an era of technological optimism, but now they just go 'Naruhodo, naruhodo,' when they don't naruhodo anything. Like the Gundam Metaverse's original test leaking a bunch of gunpla CAD files is the funniest shit ever to me.

>>102663438
i understand but it don't make sense, you are either scum and do embezlement knowing you will never pay your debt anyway, or your a good guy and ask for pardon after fucking everything up, Guess he really did fuck up hard at some point

>>102658078 (OP)
Same energy.

>>102658078 (OP)
kinda reads like he's just the fall guy

>>102663475
what the fuck

>>102663029
lmao. None of us will see a dime from SS.

>>102662961
what the dizzy doin?

>>102663490
I remember that. It leaked some upcoming shit too at the time.

>>102663555
What did you think? He'd find money from the aether?

>>102663441
Yeah I think it was something like wanting a cut of Mel's money in perpetuity for the model he made even though she had already stopped using it or something like that.

>>102663600
Jiggling and crying for money as usual.

Why are people treating these girls like victims
>my hecking nda-arino
every other vtuber agency has an nda. And the talents have always found a way to at least in a subtle way say they were unhappy.
>b-but they could have been sued
I can guarantee you these women make much more money then you think based on what we know about vtubers make on sponsorships with smaller audiences.

>>102660664
It is 100% concurrent with her personal character for her to be completely checked out of all the practical matters of the company. She also had no executive authority, maybe shares at most.

>>102663770
By definition they are victims. Being retarded doesn't magically make you not a victim

>>102663028
I can't believe this is how i find out about a Gundam VR game. You just made me dust my quest 2 and now i am excited to get into it

>>102663770
>you need to be at least this poor to be considered a victim
The fuck kind of idpol is this?

>>102663555
You cant force people to pay something they cant afford to pay, its basically a death sentence or indentured slavery otherwise, gunrun is a tard but he doesnt deserve worse than actual violent criminals

>>102663403
This was a silicon valley startup and not really subject to "how the real world works". The CEO and probably his core crew likely weren't looking for the money they could get running a long-term profitable business, but the big bucks investors with more liquidity (remember what the interest rates were when they were founded?) than common sense can pay for a shot at a possible unicorn. The vast majority of companies fails early and that is even more true for startups.

>>102663639
>>102663959
well fuck im a retard then, but i suppose i learned something

>>102658078 (OP)
>>102663770
i'm gonna be sincere, how did mousey not see that all of this was weird, the internal leaderboard between talents that made zentreya and silvervale post their melty on twitter, the tight as fuck NDA that even their dogs get one, the fucking staff telling her to stfu, the prohibiting talking to the vshojos that leave or prohibiting talk about this kind of shit between vshojoers.

>>102663555
And that's not even considering the fact that even if there WAS money to be had debt holders would have first dibs. Then any share holders. Then any employees would get a pittance, if anything.

Their consolation prize is they might be able claim a loss for tax purposes as victims of a Ponzi scheme.

>>102661500
because she is le sick

>>102663856
The silver phantom crap? Its a glorified trailer with a faux-mobile game thrown into it to pretend you can do something interactive. What the other anons are talking about was a different thing where you walk around an empty building and look at 3d gundam renders and watch ads for gunpla. Bandai namco sunk a ton of money into it and accidently included a bunch of CAD files and leaks in the server files they didn't intend people to see.

>>102663894
That's one interpretation if you're retarded. If you are rich and you are fighting a lawsuit you have an advantage because the other person runs out of resources faster.

>>102659745
Please call her melody, not mel.
That's like calling that nene amano just "nene"

>>102664095
Most vtubers, YouTubers, streamers, etc, have never held a real job. They don't understand anything about the corporate world. Guy in suit tells you to shut up? You stay quiet. NDA to sign? You sign.

>>102664095
Can't notice shits going bad with your co-workers when said co-workers NDAs tell them "you say anything and your mother dies in her sleep".

>>102659580
And the company is going bankrupt so they are never seeing a cent right?

>>102663475
>>102663639
>>102663959
not entirely true. they can still sue and get a judgement against the company and specific individuals responsible. it's questionable how much they'd be able to actually get from the company if becomes defunct/dissolved, but they can garnish the earnings of individuals until the judgement or settlement has been paid off, so it might still be worth suing the upper management of Vshojo.

>>102664202
Great...at least i can try silver phantom...can't access this anymore...reallly cool. Goddamit

>>102664356
What earnings though?
The company's dead. It only ever legitimately made money off of a split of revenue and event sales and there's no more talent with which they can have merch and events to sell.

>>102664328
The assets will be liquidated, but it's not likely they would get much or anything from it

>>102664450
if they can prove personal liability on gunrun (or other vshojo execs) they can get a cut of profits from other ventures (though I don't think unlimitedirl has that much money either)

Twitch could pull a shit ton of good will here by inserting themselves and dropping 500k to the charity.

>>102664558
Most they'll probably get to liquidate is some office furniture and whatever merch is in their storage warehouse.

>>102664595
Unlimitedirl have completely distanced themselves from Gunrun, which is why people are going around saying that even le backpack merchant was a lie.

>>102664615
Lmao with what money? Twitch literally operates at a loss and gets bailed out by daddy amazon every year. It is literally the tech startup that vshojo was trying to be.

>>102658078 (OP)
>we spent money I later learned was for a charity
>just a huge $500,000 chunk from one stream, thought it was general fundraising guys, sorry!
Get a load of this guy.

>>102664615
That would require the PR and marketing departments to have more than 1 collective braincell to share between them.

>>102664790
A subathon's more than just one stream though.

>>102663441
Him being a retard doesn't change the fact that the Vshojo COO is Melody's BF.

>>102658078 (OP)
somewhere Mint is crying and choking and swimming and clawing at ground from reading this.

>>102664450
depending on the timing of the lawsuits and bankruptcy, they would be entitled to some of the money made through foreclosure, but that's unlikely considering how fast Vshojo is going under. however, they can still sue specific individuals who would have been responsible for handling their payments (ie: Gunrun) and garnish any future earnings they make and be entitled to money earned through any foreclosure or forfeiture of their assets. the real issue here is that 1) the company is insolvent and going bankrupt fast, 2) the people responsible are all potentially facing criminal charges, so they probably won't be making much in the way of income for quite a while, and 3) any lawsuits the talents file will likely deanonymize them since you have to file using your real name and those filings are all public. it's possible we get lawsuits out of this, but it's more likely their lawyers are just going to argue that they're all actually employees to the bankruptcy court, where I don't think they have to break anonymity (could be wrong), and would thus be entitled to unpaid wages in the restructuring.

>>102659317
No because a ponzi pays out outflows to people at the top from inflows from the people at the bottom.
What happened is that there wasn't enough inflow to pay actual employees while the talents are probably all under some sort of alternative employment scheme.
Just a poorly scaled company basically that tried to grow too much based on the assumptions that free money era from pre FED rate hikes would continue forever.

>>102664925
>the best carne asada

It's hilarious how it turned out that Niji is the most talent friendly corpo:
>Niji 2% > Holo 260$ > VShojo 0%
However, it's quite iffy with Holo and it's forced loans on it's talents. I guess they might actually be worse than VShojo.

>>102658078 (OP)
I guess he won't be able to call this a "successful exit", like Aviel did with Idol.

>>102662961
They wish their warehouse was that big

>>102665245
Yeah but they might bully you to suicide so it adds up.

>>102664925
>lurk 4channel dot org, cook, watch netflix, and goon all day
god she's living the perfect life

>>102665424
I've been thinking about it and I might disagree.
In niji, you can easily leave if you get bullied to suicide. In holo, you'll stay until you pay up all loans and will continue getting bullied.

>>102665424
Fat bitch self-claimed she tried to suicide TWICE but FAILED, so incompetent.

>>102665503
I've explained it so many times already.
This suicide was an impulsive binge-eating due to stress and she got in hospital due to terrible stomachache. It can be fatal, but the risk is quite low.

>>102665503
Reverse Göring.

>>102665245
>forced loans
"I want to do this thing that the company isn't doing"
"Yeah sure but you gotta pay for it yourself, we can offer a loan if you can't"
forced lmao

>>102665597
>I want
Gullible little retard

>>102665565
So, average of burgers? How the fuck can you call this an attempt of suicide?????

>>102665245
>Nijinigger coming out of the woodwork

>>102665660
>woodwork
Wood, as brown as your skin color, holobrown

>>102665486
But you're not bullied in hololive

>>102665660
It's not even an actual nijinig, it's just Dokischizo doing his usual sister LARP which is even sadder

>>102665646
>How the fuck can you call this an attempt of suicide
When you've been lying for your entire life, this is a trivial thing to claim

is this an indicator of the fabled bubble burst? will western vtubing go back to its roots? or is it a pandora's box issue?

>>102665638
People can literally do sweet FA for months but sure they're forced to take loans for projects, that is totally not just a schizorrat

>>102665698
>Not even try to hide he is a nijinigger
Rumao, be less obvious next time

>>102665720
Newfag or hdf? Name yourself now!